May 30, 2024 • 42 mins
Jeff and Susie discuss *The Acupuncturist* from Season 2.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now I have to say, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Who are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm enthusias but who am I? Youre Jeff Garland.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You need to clear that up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, I agree, and I have to say that I
don't think I ever saw this episode, and it was
the strangest episode we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'll know further where I can make that clarification, but
it's certainly in the running at least top two, the worst,
top three. And by the way, watching it again, I
didn't quite understand it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
There were so many things that I didn't understand. Yes,
and usually I understand everything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So why don't we go through it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Let's go through it.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Okay, we start out with Larry's face in the cradle,
and you know that shot, I'll put his face in
the cradle. He's getting agurlu cradle. Yes, the face, the
face cradle.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He's getting an acupuncture.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What did I just think of? Cradle?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But nonetheless, nonetheless, Larry's face is in the face cradle,
And he's getting needles at the acupuncturist and he wants
his neck fixed. And the acupuncturer says, four to six weeks,
two times a week, and I'll cure you. And Larry's
completely cynical about that, right, healers. The whole thing about healers,
He doesn't really make healers. He's cynical, and he never
(01:35):
get results with these healers. And the acupuncturier says, seven
hundred years in a family of acupunctures, it's his honor.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And Larry says, if.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You can fix my neck, I'll give you five thousand dollars.
And if you can't, then I don't pay for any
of the treatments. Five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
If I treat you and you recover, yep. And if
you do not recover, I get nothing, you get nothing. Well,
it would be like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
But really, yes, I love you. I love your confident.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And he's making that back because he believes he's going
to win Larry believes he's going to win and he's
going to get free acupuncture and not have to pay
five thousand dollars. And the acupuncture is it's like taking
candy from a baby. He's completely confident that he could
fix him. And I tend to believe the acupuncturist in
this scene, and he's a man of honor.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Larry says he's a man of honor.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And then we see Larry at the market, which you're ready,
you know, when have we ever seen Larry in a
market in real life?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh? No, We've done episodes with Larry, that's.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
True, but he's generally not amore.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The one where he was getting things for the hotel,
he was in charge of the mini. Yes, that was
I think there's another couple. There are a few. But
he's not a market goer, you know, he's not. But
one of the things that keeps Larry funny. He doesn't
COVID kind of changing, but all I can speak for
pre COVID, he would go to the grocery store, he
would do anything out in public, and that kept him
(02:59):
in touch.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
By the way, I think that to me, that was
always a problem with comedians who were funny in New
York and then came to lay. They got out of
reality in La sometimes and whereas in New York, you're
always dealing with the elements in a way that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Keeps you sharp, keeps you sharp.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yees.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So he recognizes the deli guy Barry, right, Barry Wiener,
who said, don't pity me, no need for pity. And
we realized that Barry's been doing it for a while,
being a deli guy who is a quarter pound of Swiss,
a half a pound of turkey. And we find out
that Barry was an SNL writer back in the days
where Larry was inn SNL.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
This gentleman Barry is played by Jeremy Kramer right, who's
speaking of West Coast. He was one of the most
original funny voices in comedy. What I don't see.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Now inmics, I don't know him. I never knew him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What I don't see now is eccentricity amongst comedians. They're
almost like pop stars.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So you wouldn't see an Andy Kaufman. You wouldn't see
it Joe doctor.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, he would embrace that stuff. And by the way,
who falls in that same line. Jeremy Kramer always been in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
All Larry David when he was doing Start Day David too.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So these eccentricity people, to my mind, don't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Tell me in what way he was eccentric? What would
tell me a little bit about You.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Never knew what he was going to say. He wouldn't
walk off like Larry. He would go on stage in
a black felt hat and a cloak.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh really, just from the beginning, you know, he just was.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You had to watch him because you didn't know what
was about to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He was not pat So he was interesting, yes, and
original and original.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
By the way, the only people like that now you
just watch them because they're great. You don't watch them
as much because they're original or eccentric. But a lot
of comedians now, you know, and a lot of comedians
now were successful started back in those days, and they
know Jeremy Kramer. But I'm saying outside of the people
who knew him and were.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
In Harry it was what we call a comics comic.
He was a.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Comics comic, unequippedly, it was San Francisco based. I remember
hearing a lot about him, and then when I him,
he did not disappoint.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Great and he was terrific in this episoday.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
As I'm apt to say, a lovely man.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And in this scene he starts to talk to Larry
about his situation with his father.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
His father that hold on, let's take a step back.
Something happens that's unusual at this point in the series.
If a guy coughs into his hand and still uses
his hand, that's part of the fabric of the episode.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They'll say cut.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Usually if something like that, if it's not planned, they'll
say cut. But you're saying here, it's in the fabric
of the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
No, it's not in the fabric of the episode, because
Larry lets it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Go right right, right, That's what I mean. Don't say cut,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, we don't say cut. So it goes on. And
obviously that was a take that Larry liked. But that
would not go unnoticed now someone It would usually be
in a script someone coughs, boom diggy, boom, diggie. We
are going about that the whole episode, you know, Yeah,
because he gets indignant, you know, And so.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I could tell that that was not meant to.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's not meant in the script, but the fact it
was I found strange, right, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So then he talks about the situation with his father.
His father's dying had a triple and a quadruple, and
his father clearly has a lot of money, but he
won't give Barry any money until he's dead.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Larry says, he knows you're working at a deli. He knows.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's amazing you came in here today. You could really
help me out. And now you see Larry's face.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
But Larry's also going on by why did they wait
till the death? Why can't they do it now? Which
you know, and by the way, not many, but I've
known a few comedians who even appeared on the great
talk shows who you'd see them selling men's suits afterwards.
And it's a very you have to have a lot
of humility to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's happened to me many times.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I've run into somebody that I started with, for example,
and they're the deli man or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, but they probably weren't good and you started with them.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's true. And there were people who were good who
you know why.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
These were all people that were successful that were on
talk shows, couldn't work the row anymore? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It was well come into play. Depression.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh you don't know the backstory drive.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Exactly, alcohol and mental illness. We don't know the backstory.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But spending their whole career right, it takes a cabbean.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Amount of fortitude.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That was forced, didn't I apologize.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It takes a tremendous amount of fortitude, even if you
are talented to.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Navigate this, My god, it is a difficult navigation, by
the way. I've been doing it forty years, still navigating,
but with today's world. One thing I do have that
helps me is radical acceptance. Anything that's going on, I
accept it. I may not like it, but I completely
and utterly accept it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So Barry says.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It's really amazing that you came in here today.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It could really help me out.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I need to borrow five thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Dollars, of course, so I can have this.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Of course, I'll be able to pay you back as
soon as he you know, as he goes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Very soon, very soon.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's got that naise a little, you know. You just
see this schleppiness of him.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's amazing you came in here today. You could really
help me out. And we see Larry's face and Larry
literally says, and we just know a favor is in
the making and it's going to be a night good.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And Barry wants to borrow five thousand dollars and I'll
pay you back when my father dies, which is a
good setup. Great setup, that's really great setup.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In this relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Bay through the episode, this relationship works like a charm
Barry Larry, Barry Larry.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That storyline works like it's beautifully and Larry goes home
and Cheryl's like, you gave the acupuncturers five thousand dollars.
You gave Barry Wiener, who she calls an asshole, which
is at a character for Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Right that struck.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
She really doesn't at this point. She's not crazy about me,
but we're coposthetic.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, but you know what, that was a little jarring
to me because we don't usually hear Cheryl say that.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's just a tone moment that nobody caught or nobody
knew to catch, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And Larry goes He says, you gave that asshole. Barry doesn't,
and Larry says, he's not an asshole, he's just shy.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
And you're in the shy asshole confusion and.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Then maybe that's why she said asshole.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Set that up. But then another thing she says to him,
which was surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
She says, people come to you with their hands out.
You can't say no. I have trouble saying no.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know why, pussy, I'm just Maybe maybe I'm nice
you have nice pussy confusion.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Maybe I'm just.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Nice you're a pussy. Yeah, and that was a little
This was a different sherriff.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
For actually it was up until then. Now we haven't
seen that side. And I bet you post this we did.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We don't really see Larry.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
When Larry doesn't like something, I call it the lemon face.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He looked like ill.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He looks like he just smelt shit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Lemon face is nicer. And let's go in a different direction, Susie.
How you dare you get skeatological anyhow? So he's probably
in editing made the lemon face when he saw this
and said never again, because he does realize stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Because it was jarring to me, very drunk.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But I also want to say it's very interesting. And
we did an episode about this with Larry thanking the
guy for the meal and not the wife play by
Amy A. Keino, and he says why he makes all
the money.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Also in a later episode, where Cheryl says something to
the extent of loving.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You is my job.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So she's married to him, she's got to deal with him.
We know we're married. Who's money is whose money? You
always made more money. I always made more money. I
don't look at that money.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, to protect me and Sari, it is her job
to keep an eye on me. Give her that job.
She wanted that job. I'm just saying I think there's
something wrong with her. To be honest, she is a
saint and that she wants that job.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But I don't think about you. Know, this is the
power of an intimate relationship. I make more money than
my husband. I never think about that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Our money.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You and I'm obsessed about you making more money than
your husband. I can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So then we find out also that they've been invited
to Barry's wife, whose name is Carol. Carol's surprise party yep, okay,
doorbell rings and a beautiful bouquet of orchids has been
delivered to Larry. Cheryl then says, also, did you give
him a five thousand dollar tip?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
She's being very service in this episode.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That he may lose five thousand in his bet with
him if Larry revealed that. But I also want to
say Larry and I had the same acupuncturist, and Larry
did receive orchids from our occupunt.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, I'm glad, so let me just say we didn't
say yet. The orchids are from Kazoo, his actupuncture.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So Larry and I had the same acupuncturists. A sweet,
delightful man. I used to love when you would say
to me, would you lie on the back like you
said it? Like that? You know? And I would do anything.
I was hypnotized.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But he was excellent in his JA and he sent
orchids to Larry. Why to me, why did he send
me this day?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Because I just felt like this was such a random thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It is based on reality now specifically, that's why he
is curious asking everyone later on which I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't It didn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
We'll get there, But did he ever find out why?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And I have talked about it and the man passed away.
So it's a secret because I would have gladly said
to him, because I have no thing, I go. Do
you remember sending Larry David orchids? Yes, I would also
like to tell me why.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'd like to ask our audience if and they could,
you know, weigh in if anyone has been sent orchids
by their acupuncturist.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
If this is a thing, right, we don't know. It's
a mystery.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a mystery the way in today's day and agent
that didn't really exist in a big way, you can
actually type in acupuncture and orchids and see what.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Do you do that?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Jeff, Well, you do it with a perm mask on.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Let's keep going, okay, And then we cut two after
he gets the orchids from Kazu his acupunctures and he's
perplexed by it. We cut to Larry and Jeff eating
in a Japanese restaurant. You got a Japanese theme here
and all along this Japanese music is playing in the background,
which creates a kind of eerie, weird But.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You've never been in a sushi place that has Japanese.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There was something about this episode where everything seemed to
the episode.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm saying that Japanese restaurant is not. And then the
idea that he says to me, have you ever heard
of such a thing? And I say, the most ignorant
thing you have. Funny but terribly ignorant. I think it's
a Japanese gay thing. Yes, where would I get that information?
How did I figure that?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Have that written down right here?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We also find out in this episode that you are
also going to the surprise party.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, and we go together, and I going to go together.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You're picking them up, right, And then Larry asked the waiter.
The waiter comes over and he looks like that wonderful
actor from the seventh It comes over before the waiter
looks like that wonderful actor from the seventh Samurai and
I forgot his name.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, Teresha Muffoon.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think, no, no, that's not the one I'm thinking of.
He's not the leader guy. Terisia mffoon plays the crazy
guy a Samurai. Yeah, they're all samurai.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I don't know he's the samurai.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Correct, But it's the shaved head guy who is the
Did you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Find him attractive back then when you saw in the movie.
It's a gay I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And for those of you who don't know, The Magnificent
Seven is based on that, there are people.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Out there who don't even remember the sequel with Denzel
Washington of The Magnificent Seven. You're referring to, but you're
referring to the old brother Steve McQueen one, so a
lot of people are lost. Yeah, Bronson, Bronson, James Colburn.
It's a brilliant movie, so much fun, but based.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
On based on seven Sammy, which is which is a
visual feast to see the Seventh Samurai if you ever
get to see here.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
You're using the term visual feast. What are you a
critic now? It just came out to find something to
write in your New York Times review.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's how I see. It's visual, beautiful coaster ride. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So Larry then asked the waiter, the Japanese waiter, if
it's common in Japan for a professional person, a doctor,
an acupuncturist, whatever, to send orchids and he gets a
very angry response for the waiter. We don't really know
why was the waiter told to give an angry response
That was in the script for sure. That was in
the outwork, okay, and then.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Larry's the way lovely man. Yeah, and it's a terrific job.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And then Larry's a state lawyer comes by who was
played by Scott ats It and I forgot his name
I haven't written down later Chara Joel okay, and he's
wearing you know, casual Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We denim shirt and denhim pants.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That was later on.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
This time's wearing is like a corduroy shirt or something whatever,
but it is casual.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
What do you do you're not working today?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, I'm going back right now. What's with the out
Oh it's casual Friday. I don't like this. I don't
like this casual. What are you my mother?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know you're just.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're encroaching in my territory. I want you people to
be uncomfortable all the time.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Well, listen, you don't make thissus. You can buy a
naked Tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
But and Larry says, five to ten years, it's going
to be casual Monday. It's it's no good. Let's take
and he says, people like you walking around looking like
people like me.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah. I like the separation of church and state. If
you will, right, you know, but I want to say something.
Larry was saying that as a joke and it's turned
out to be true. Only a top law firm people
wear suits. You go to a lot of law firms.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're dressing change it, especially post pandemic, well, post.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
By damnic they're wearing pajamas to work. They're Larry Charles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes. And then the flambay comes.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So we meet the lawyers, my estate lawyer, Hello, Hello,
casual Friday Blunt.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And then he leaves and Scott adds it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Also, let's just talk about him a little bit terrific actor, yes,
you know, great commit their.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Second City guy went on to thirty rock. A delightful gentleman,
a delightful improviser, there you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Go, and a delightful human being. Yes, and then the flombaby.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
If you're a delightful gentleman, aren't you? Automatically I would hope, so, well, yeah,
then you didn't need to add that, Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well I was adding that I feel he's a delight.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That is different. You could add your opinion even if
I've just said it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So then the flombee comes in.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's the reason you went there in the first place,
and before the flombee is lit on fire, you mentioned
you set up a meeting with Julia at ABC, which
will come to fruition in a later episode.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yes, it comes into fruition in the doll.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, it does, because.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We're recording this season out of order.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yes, he lights the flambay on fire and his arm
catches fire and Larry pours water.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But hold on a second. Here, there's excitement, Oh yeah
from everyone in the restaurant and me that the dude's
arm is on fire. So it's not larryus assuming or
seeing a little bit of fire.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
His arm was on fire.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Fire.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I found it quite obvious though, that he was
wearing one of those fire sleep I didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's so funny that you noticed.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, but it's really on fire.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
His tie was made of chocolate that I did notice it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's really on fire.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And Larry instinctively correctly takes the glass of water and
pours it on his arm, and he's padding it down
to Yes, and the waiter is not happy about this. Yeah,
not one iota. He's not a happy man, this waiter.
All right, Cut to We're at Larry's house. Yes, and
there's where's Jeff because you're picking them up, you're going
they're going to the surprise party.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You're late, And she's like, why'd you ask.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Him to do?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why couldn't we meet him? Larry.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I couldn't say, no, knock on the door, Jeff's late.
Why was Jeff late? Because the room service was late
and coming when a party.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I said that to the effect of you understand like
I didn't say it, like, oh, I'm terribly sorry, but
you don't understand service.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Which also made no sense because you go into a party,
Why are you waiting for room service?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You're going to eat at the party.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, no, no, I got to say something in defense
of that that makes sense to me. You'll order room
service that's supposed to get to you by eight thirty
because you're leaving at eight forty five.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It doesn't get there till nine unless you're at a
great hotel. Even having some of the great hotels, that
pretty much is. It's like Instacart or door dash. They're
always coming late, always, So whatever time they tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
For estimation, they're not our sponsors.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I hope they are, because I still use them. I
just know realistically, when I.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Just found it odd that you're eating before you leave.
When you go into a party with it's going to
be food, you can.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Call that odd. What character are we talking about? Okay,
I'm rottenness to a fault.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So you're late.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then Larry comes down and Cheryl does not like
his outfit. He's wearing jeans, he's wearing blue and black.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I find it more for me if I'm an observer
in that scene, I say to them, you look terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But which I f a little out of character.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm kissing Cheryl's ass probably, But also the costumers made
it ill fitting. It didn't fit right. Yeah, Now he
wears the same kind of clothes and they fit beautifully.
Who's the same.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, But it was all story purpose, because there had
to be a reason why you were all late.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So Larry goes up and changes.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And when he goes up and changes, he talks about
the elephant in the room, and that is And I
don't know why I was given this, It was not
in the script. A fucking lime green shirt coactly, I'm
your character, Yes, I mean a lime green I.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Hate I could see Jeff Green wearing that line green.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, you don't think so.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
No, he's a man. He either wears like golf style
clothes or he wears his insane ties with ill fitting suits.
Back then, they would buy me really cheap suits that
felt like a burlap bag. Is that right, burlap? Yes,
they didn't fit at all.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's quite interesting to me seeing these early episodes how
the looks have changed over the.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Seasons they went from you know to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Let me point out very importantly, the budget has completely changed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
In the early years we had they get and as I.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Mentioned before, they referred to us as their little experimental
show that went on to currently be the longest running
show in HBO history.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But they didn't have a budget for Zenya suits back then. No, no, no,
I know that I'm letting the audience now.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, but it looks like shit. Yeah, my characters are sloth,
so maybe it's appropriate for my character. But give me
a fucking break, lime green shirt.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So
Larry has to change.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
More time wasted and then they get to the party
and they ruin the surprise They pull up just when
Barry and Carol are pulling up, so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So you got him, right, yeah, well, why don't you go?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, you two go in and wait, what is that?
Oh it's my birthday. Well that's why we got you
a birthday ye told.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Us because he told me it was your birthday, so
I knew I was going to stop buying for the sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And the three of us.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
There's a surprise party in that house.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You're having a surprise party.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What you didn't invite us?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I'm so sorry, Carol change his outfit.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You are so selfish, And and Cheryl has a gift,
and the whole thing is ruined.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And by the way, that actress who plays the wife
is Ruthie Rudnick, another compadre of mine who was wonderful
from Second City. She was great. I didn't remember, like
I didn't think she was bad, but I didn't remember
how good she was.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And she says, you are so selfish.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, you surprise my wife my exes thirtieth surprise bird
birthday party, which to this day couldn't hate surprise parties,
hate receiving or going. But it's fun when you're younger.
Let's a hide, get under the desk.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, the funniest was in a later season when Susie
gives Jeff a surprise point.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
But that was hilarious because and I was barely in
that episode, and my dear friend Aaron O'Malley directed that episode,
and it was just weird that the episode that I'm
barely in she directs.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But you mentioned the whole episode.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yes, I mentioned the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But Carol's very upset about this. And do you believe
what they did to me?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What I was about to say before I went up
on a tangent, is this exact thing happened with an
old girlfriend of mine who Marla was friendly with, and
she had come early like that, or she mentioned it
on a phone call point being as Marla knew, and
she was not happy about it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
She that the surprise was ruined. Yes, I would rather
the surprise be ruined. I would rather know.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
By the way, we just stated, we hate Yeah, I
would rather know my own surprise party.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I ain't going well you might not know.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, No, well then I'm leaving. Okay, you throw me
a surprise party. Just telling you anyone out there, by the.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Way, no one gives a shit planning.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
That's exactly right. And I just turned sixty, that would
have been the time. But I just want to say,
I don't want to go to the surprise party, either
as a guest or a surprise surprise e and I
will leave in both cases.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's out there. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
By the way, I've also been the person who takes
the person time.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I had to ruin it be my friend Jane because
she refused to stay away from that. And finally I
had to say, Okay, they're making a surprise party.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Okay, we have to stay at this cafe for another
half hour.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Right, So Larry's having a whole conversation about the Civil War?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Did we really need the South? What was the whole
point keeping this set not?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I want to say something here. He knew that I
think it's six thousand that we lost six six hundred thousand,
and Larry and I in New York had a bet
about how many casual teas and were in the Civil War,
and I was way off. I didn't say six.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Thousand, but well, six thousands ridiculous, but I was way off.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
He always wins the bets, and I've mentioned that on
the show before. But what's funny is we're going to
breakfast to have our final I did research. You did research.
Here's what it is. On the way there. This sounds
like it's exaggerated. It is exactly what happened. On the
side of the street. A homeless man was selling the
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entire time life.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Books the Civil War.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Now I would have bought it in a second if
it was one volume, but then buy one volume.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He was only as a sexy something.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Hold on, I go there and we settle the thing
I've lost going back, I thought, let me try and
give him a lot of money for one volume. It'll
be funny. On set. If I handed to Larry, they.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Were all gone, Oh, somebody bought it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Someone bought it, because I'm sure it was a good price. Probably, yeah,
and they probably had their pole wagon. They can just
load it into their wagon. The engine red.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
What is that called again, something flyer, something fly Yeah, America.
I just got one from my granddaughter. And that's real.
I really do have a granddaughter. And then we see
Cheryl talking to mister Wiener, Barry's father played by the
great Ed Asner.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And by the way, I wrote down and big with
a big exclamation point ed Asner. Now, I can't say
how much joy the Mary Tyler Moore gave to.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Me Yes Saturday.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes. So Saturday Night was Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart
and the Carol Burnett Show. The other half hour slot
was always rotating. None of those shows did well, but
to have Carol Burnette where I learned so much about comedy,
Bob Newhart where I saw how you do that kind
of show, and Mary Tyler Moore all this historic stuff.
So seeing Ed Asner and when I was a kid,
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I thought he was mean. I'm like, why is he
so mean to Marry?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But that's his cart, that's his character.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But he plays he's he's pretty gruffisode in this.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Episode, it's not even that he's all.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes with Shy and absolutely with Cheryl herat and he
was great and.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He's playing Barry's father and Cheryl's talking to him about
her environmental stuff the NRDC, and he's flirting with her
and being inappropriate with her, and they talk about, you know,
outfit approval. So he wants to contribute, but we know
he doesn't give a shit about the n r DC.
He's just flirting with Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And by the way, what blows my mind is that
here's another to you he says, yes, but this is
another moment where Cheryl would have realized that right away
it was out of character.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
And then I also say that chair that Cheryl was in,
don't think I didn't sit there and talk all night
to Ed Asner. Remember he's in that chair, asking him
a million questions from the Mary Tyler Moore Show, where
he lived when they filmed at Roskamire Road, everything about
how he handles this. And at that point he'd already
been the president of SAG. He had so many questions
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asking And by the way, people don't know this one
of the people that helped start Second City. He had
great He was part of a skit called University of
Chicago Football Team. And you know, at the school for
brilliant people, they've never had a football team. But it's
about a coach trying to express how to play and
he has to use all this intellectual stuff. It's a
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pretty brilliant skit.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Can we see it on YouTube or something or no?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Probably, By the way, I did see a video of
it VHS. When I was in Second City. We had
access to.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
The history of the thing, you know, and maybe it's
out there, something to be out there.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Viewers take a look. I love when he says, how
did that step back?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Viewers take a look that sounds like no enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, it's not something I'm greatly enthusiastic about. Okay, Well,
mister Wiener says, how did that? Glob ever marry you
that I was enthusiastic about.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I love Larry being.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Going by the way that one I get.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
And then Larry sits down with mister Wiener. Yeah, and
it digs a whole asked him if he knows about
the custom of Japanese men giving orchids.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Okay, Now, this is something that runs through Larry's character
through the whole show, and that is asking questions to
people inappropriate way, not even inapproperly, who definitely do not
know the answer and it may offend them to what
degree or in one degree or another?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well clearly because mister Wiener's response was, I don't know
what they do in Japan. They may take it up
the ass in Japan, which I was like, everything about
this episode was so weird.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, but Larry would have never allowed that now because
it's too crude. I know you want him to go
more subtle, but I loved him, saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Then he asked, Larry, what are you doing these days?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
He says, he's going to do a pilot with the
maybe working with Julia, and he's like, oh, you know her.
So he didn't even know that Larry had created Seinfeld.
And you must have made a bundle, he says to him,
and then Larry goes into his thing.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'm very lucky.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, And I'll tell you something.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I'm lucky that I had a father who was so
supportive of me, because without him it never would have happen.
And I was working in a dry cleaner. I didn't
tell him I had no money, but I needed to
support myself. And then one day he found out about it.
Next thing I knew. He said to me, listen, I
got a lot of money. I'm going to give you
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this money anyway after I die. Let me give you
some Now, your father left you money, Yes, he did.
He gave me a quarter of what I was going
to get in the will, and that enabled me to
go out and start writing. I never would have gotten
Seinfeld if not for him.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
He gave me the money while he was alive because
he knew that I was working in the dry cleaner,
I was living in.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This horrible place with a barka launcher, and on and
on and.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
On and on.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Two things I want to say. First off, stuff like
that is not was not in the script back now.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Now, our scripts are so dense that it goes into
a little of what he would say, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
My story appropriately, No, no, I'm taking that story.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But back then he just improvised the fuck out of that.
Did it different every time? But I think that money
speech is the high point of the show. Yeah, it's
the moment, the zenith where I look at Larry with
a wonder as he's coming up with something that is
on this side of believability. If you know the character,
you know he's full of shit. He's making it up,
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but it sounds just believable enough, but you can still
be skeptical.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And we see mister Wiener listening to this diatribe, and
then he says, do you know in a state lawyer?
And Larry recommends Joel Reynolds, who we've met already.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Scott ats it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Wiener says he wants to make a change right away,
and his lawyer's in Acapulco. He can't wait to make
the change. Now it's set up to think that Larry's
going to believe what Larry said.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is influencing a different opinion. But as a viewer, I
knew it was going to backfire. I knew he was
going to leave the money to the NRDC.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But that's what I thought. We did not know what
we find out later, which was he cuts his son
out of the will. That's why he wanted him in that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I actually thought that watching it, that that was what
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh, I thought it was in our DC.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I thought it was both. I thought he was going
to cut his son out and leave it to the NRDC.
Larry thinks his whole tloy was successful, and then he says,
I love your wife, and he says what kind of change,
and mister Wiena says, you'll find out, and Larry looks
very pleased with himself because he thought, look at the mitzvah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I just did you know. We'll be right back. Stay tuned,
and we're back. And then Cheryl's going to go meet
mister Wiener for lunch, which again.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Makes no sense because she would have invited Larry with
because he was a creepy guy. Yes, which, by the way,
the gentleman that I talked to the opposite gentleman. What
an open, warm guy.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Playing a part.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, and his son was very nice.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And Cheryl leaves to go meet mister Wiener at a restaurant,
and Barry Weener drives up and is pissed at Larry,
did you tell my father a story about a dry cleaner?
And you and Cheryl had a conspiracy to try to
cut me out of the will. He's giving everything. I'm
cut out of the will. He's giving everything to the NRDC.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now we did something unusual here. We never do what's
going on here? What's going on there? What's going on here?
Was inter cutting two scenes at once. I don't think
we've ever done it since.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I can't be very unusual.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
We might as well had four squares and people talking.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Felt so weird, you know what I mean? And it
was off.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The episode was not just off, not just the content,
but the way it was shot. Everything felt weird about
this episode.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It felt a bit off, I will say, But also
remember back then, we're all doing the best that we can.
We didn't realize that the episode in retrospect would come
out like this. We thought we were doing a pretty
good thing. And I do think that there might have
been an explanation for the flowers that we never got,
or why that guy reacted that way. But it was
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either cut out, just left, or was just left. I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So mister Wiener goes to see Joel Reynolds, and Joel
Reynolds is now dressed in the jean shirt jeans, and
Wiener is complete, who's like an older man in a suit,
is completely puzzled.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
What's this up for?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Is it a Halloween party? Or what is it?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
You know, it's casual Friday?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Casual Friday? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
That means we just dressed like we would at home,
But you're not at home, nobod, it's just casual Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, I know you told me that already. What are
you doing casual Friday?
Speaker 5 (34:23):
We're just coming into our work, but we dress casually.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Well, it's just one day of the week.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I don't go Damn if it's half a day a week,
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I'm here to change my will. A lot of money
is involved. It's very important to me.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
We wouldn't treat you casually.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
And why the hell you dress that way?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I want you to be on cutting edge man, whenever
you're handling my business.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
This is cutting.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I don't need this crap. You look like a fucking cowboy, but.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And Joel ren as well, we wouldn't treat you casually.
Then why the hell are you dress that way? You
know it was she was great at astor you look
like a fucking cowboy. You go wrangle somebody else's money,
you know. So Wiener walks out he has not changed
the will because he does not like the way that
Joel Reynolds is dressed. Then we cut back to Barry
and Larry it's what you were just saying. It's a
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weird interricut. And Barry's like, you got to talk to him.
You got to convince him that I didn't put you
up to it. And then while he's doing that, the
acupuncturist secretary calls to confirm his appointment with Larry, and
Larry says I can't do the appointment, and the reception says,
how are you feeling? And Larry says I'm better, which.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Really could be taking out of context. Feeling better is
different than then.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm better as we get and he gets to that later.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then Larry goes to the Japanese restaurant and Cheryl's
getting drunk on sake and Larry shows up because he
wants to talk to mister Weener about giving Barry back
his money. And he says, Barry didn't put me up
to it, and he locks eyes with the same angry
waiter who had been there before, and the waiter throws
water in Larry's face because Larry had thrown water.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
On the waiter prior to this.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But the water goes Larry ducks, Larry ducks, and the
water goes into mister Wiener's face, and mister Wiener in
the suit, the whole face, the whole thing, and mister
Wiener drops dead of a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well he doesn't drop from the water. He gets up
and he's angry and then he can't articulate, and boom,
he's dead, stroke, cart attack whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It all splashes at a mammy and all that splashes
up on Larry. And then we're at the Shiver and
you're there, yep, and you know it's so sudden, so unexpected.
Barry says he's full of shit because he couldn't wait
for it to happen. And we find out Larry was
the last one to see him alive. So it's really
Larry's fault, right.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
That is carried that part of the episode by Doug Benson.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, comedian Doug plays a relative, Dog plays.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Who plays his nephew. And Doug was great and I
had fun with him because we're both you know, we've
known each other for years. He was one of the
guys like Jad Appatol where Doug and I would open
for terrible headliners, you know, just who went on to
nothing and we be the opening acts. Doug Benson, myself, myself, JA,
but tell more so Judd Apatow. But it is so
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interesting to look back on.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a lifetime, it's a career.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And Larry tells a story about how he botched in
abilical Cord and the kid won't talk to him, and
Barry takes him aside, thanks him and gives him a
five thousand dollars check.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Oh, this is no I told you you get it
as soon as you died, and you made it happen.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I didn't make anything happen. I mean kind of that's
just great.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Larry, you got your money back?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
What the check?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
What check? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Larry lent Barry five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
The condition was when his dad passed away, he would
get the money back.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Excuse me, there was no condition. I get it.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You took five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You're a bounty hunter. You maed my uncle for her
five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Come on, please, cousin Doug accuses him of being a
bounty hunter, and all hell breaks loose and they all
attack him, and Doug grabs him by the neck and
gets him in a neck hold, and we hear a
crunch and we know he's got to go back to the.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That's a beautiful transition to going back to the Japanese doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's a very curb transition, very.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Curb transition, and it makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And Larry is at the acupunctures and the acupuncture is
with a beautiful woman, a very pretty wife, which we
never find out why. That is another piece that was
never really resolved. And the acupuncturer says, you already owe me.
You want to make another deal, I'll fix your neck again.
You want to make another deal because you already owe
me five thousand dollars. Larry's like, I don't know you
five thousand dollars. And we go into this whole the
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reception and said, you said you were better, it's better, blah,
they're both wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And after I treated you you were better. Better is better?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And then you know, the acupuncture goes into you caused
me great shame with my family, how do you intend
to pay?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And he endorses Barry's check.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
But also he asked he does ask the doctor so
you guys.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So that Yeah, after he endorses Barry check, he says
to the doctor, so I got the orchids, and the
doctor says ancient Japanese custom, And we don't know if
that's true or not.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We end on that it was so well done.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Is this the first time I mentioned it before? Where
the staring with Larry? Did it happen before this?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Because they do, they do a staredown.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
There's no special music whatever, but there's a version of
the staredown.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Which just protected later.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, it tickled Larry, so we brought it back. But
I wonder if this is the first time that happened.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Because we did see it in this season, and because
we Jeff and Susie are recording these out of order.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I don't know if it has happened before or after this.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Did you just go third person on us? You said
Jeff and Susan.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, I'm safer to us as opposed to Jeff Green. No,
as opposed to Jeff Green and Susie Green.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You have to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Well, some people confuse us the way.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think that you're a little elitist. I think that
you're full of yourself. I mean that notepat is very Susie.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It is, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I just scramped it at CVS and I like it.
You know, here's the thing about the Susie Green wardrobe.
A lot of people wear animal prints, but they just
don't wear them in combination with other animal prints.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Right, Yeah, so that's a big animal print.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Guy, I don't see you an animal print. I don't
think it would look good on you.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I've never I don't even like the Cincinnati Bengals football
team because of the Prince and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Not
a fan, no, just based on their uniform.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So let's just wrap up this episode. It was a
strange episode, a strange episode in many ways, in the
way it was shot, in the way it was hot,
in the in the content.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It could have been Brian Gordon new direct This is
coming on later.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
For the next special section, which but I don't think
it was Brian.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
There was something No, no, no, I'm just saying all
the things put together that may have added to it.
It's a new voice coming in.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It felt odd, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
It just did feel it felt very odd. So I'm
not blaming Brian Gorgon, yeah, because maybe I was off,
Larry was off, But I'm saying all the ingredients just
didn't mix. Yeah, it's especially having things hang in the air.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And things that didn't make sense, you know, just sitting there,
the orchids and that that why is the weight so angry?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Next episode, Yeah, this was episode six. Next episode episode seven,
one of everybody's favorites, including my own, which is what
the doll.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Oh well, yes, yes, with our special guest.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Our special guest next time will be Larry David. Larry David.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We've told him and he didn't argue that he's going
to come on once a year. He had a great time,
so we'll see. Yeah, you know, but we at least
get him for this, and that was all interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But we're doing a tease now that next episode Larry
will be on with us.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
All right, well, thank you very much for listening. And yes,
Susie is pretentious with her notepad. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
She's already bringing I gotta go, bye, Ray, thank you.
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the episode description, Season two, episode six, The Acupuncturist.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Now I have to say, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Who are you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm enthusias but who am I? Youre Jeff Garland.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You need to clear that up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, I agree, and I have to say that I
don't think I ever saw this episode, and it was
the strangest episode we've ever done.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'll know further where I can make that clarification, but
it's certainly in the running at least top two, the worst,
top three. And by the way, watching it again, I
didn't quite understand it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
There were so many things that I didn't understand. Yes,
and usually I understand everything.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So why don't we go through it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Let's go through it.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Okay, we start out with Larry's face in the cradle,
and you know that shot, I'll put his face in
the cradle. He's getting agurlu cradle. Yes, the face, the
face cradle.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He's getting an acupuncture.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What did I just think of? Cradle?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But nonetheless, nonetheless, Larry's face is in the face cradle,
And he's getting needles at the acupuncturist and he wants
his neck fixed. And the acupuncturer says, four to six weeks,
two times a week, and I'll cure you. And Larry's
completely cynical about that, right, healers. The whole thing about healers,
He doesn't really make healers. He's cynical, and he never
(01:35):
get results with these healers. And the acupuncturier says, seven
hundred years in a family of acupunctures, it's his honor.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And Larry says, if.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You can fix my neck, I'll give you five thousand dollars.
And if you can't, then I don't pay for any
of the treatments. Five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
If I treat you and you recover, yep. And if
you do not recover, I get nothing, you get nothing. Well,
it would be like taking candy from a baby.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
But really, yes, I love you. I love your confident.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And he's making that back because he believes he's going
to win Larry believes he's going to win and he's
going to get free acupuncture and not have to pay
five thousand dollars. And the acupuncture is it's like taking
candy from a baby. He's completely confident that he could
fix him. And I tend to believe the acupuncturist in
this scene, and he's a man of honor.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Larry says he's a man of honor.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And then we see Larry at the market, which you're ready,
you know, when have we ever seen Larry in a
market in real life?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh? No, We've done episodes with Larry, that's.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
True, but he's generally not amore.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The one where he was getting things for the hotel,
he was in charge of the mini. Yes, that was
I think there's another couple. There are a few. But
he's not a market goer, you know, he's not. But
one of the things that keeps Larry funny. He doesn't
COVID kind of changing, but all I can speak for
pre COVID, he would go to the grocery store, he
would do anything out in public, and that kept him
(02:59):
in touch.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
By the way, I think that to me, that was
always a problem with comedians who were funny in New
York and then came to lay. They got out of
reality in La sometimes and whereas in New York, you're
always dealing with the elements in a way that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Keeps you sharp, keeps you sharp.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yees.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So he recognizes the deli guy Barry, right, Barry Wiener,
who said, don't pity me, no need for pity. And
we realized that Barry's been doing it for a while,
being a deli guy who is a quarter pound of Swiss,
a half a pound of turkey. And we find out
that Barry was an SNL writer back in the days
where Larry was inn SNL.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
This gentleman Barry is played by Jeremy Kramer right, who's
speaking of West Coast. He was one of the most
original funny voices in comedy. What I don't see.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Now inmics, I don't know him. I never knew him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What I don't see now is eccentricity amongst comedians. They're
almost like pop stars.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So you wouldn't see an Andy Kaufman. You wouldn't see
it Joe doctor.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No, he would embrace that stuff. And by the way,
who falls in that same line. Jeremy Kramer always been in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
All Larry David when he was doing Start Day David too.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So these eccentricity people, to my mind, don't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Tell me in what way he was eccentric? What would
tell me a little bit about You.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Never knew what he was going to say. He wouldn't
walk off like Larry. He would go on stage in
a black felt hat and a cloak.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh really, just from the beginning, you know, he just was.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You had to watch him because you didn't know what
was about to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He was not pat So he was interesting, yes, and
original and original.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
By the way, the only people like that now you
just watch them because they're great. You don't watch them
as much because they're original or eccentric. But a lot
of comedians now, you know, and a lot of comedians
now were successful started back in those days, and they
know Jeremy Kramer. But I'm saying outside of the people
who knew him and were.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
In Harry it was what we call a comics comic.
He was a.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Comics comic, unequippedly, it was San Francisco based. I remember
hearing a lot about him, and then when I him,
he did not disappoint.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Great and he was terrific in this episoday.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
As I'm apt to say, a lovely man.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And in this scene he starts to talk to Larry
about his situation with his father.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
His father that hold on, let's take a step back.
Something happens that's unusual at this point in the series.
If a guy coughs into his hand and still uses
his hand, that's part of the fabric of the episode.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They'll say cut.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Usually if something like that, if it's not planned, they'll
say cut. But you're saying here, it's in the fabric
of the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
No, it's not in the fabric of the episode, because
Larry lets it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Go right right, right, That's what I mean. Don't say cut,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, we don't say cut. So it goes on. And
obviously that was a take that Larry liked. But that
would not go unnoticed now someone It would usually be
in a script someone coughs, boom diggy, boom, diggie. We
are going about that the whole episode, you know, Yeah,
because he gets indignant, you know, And so.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I could tell that that was not meant to.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's not meant in the script, but the fact it
was I found strange, right, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So then he talks about the situation with his father.
His father's dying had a triple and a quadruple, and
his father clearly has a lot of money, but he
won't give Barry any money until he's dead.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Larry says, he knows you're working at a deli. He knows.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's amazing you came in here today. You could really
help me out. And now you see Larry's face.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
But Larry's also going on by why did they wait
till the death? Why can't they do it now? Which
you know, and by the way, not many, but I've
known a few comedians who even appeared on the great
talk shows who you'd see them selling men's suits afterwards.
And it's a very you have to have a lot
of humility to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's happened to me many times.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I've run into somebody that I started with, for example,
and they're the deli man or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, but they probably weren't good and you started with them.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's true. And there were people who were good who
you know why.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
These were all people that were successful that were on
talk shows, couldn't work the row anymore? Whatever?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It was well come into play. Depression.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh you don't know the backstory drive.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Exactly, alcohol and mental illness. We don't know the backstory.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But spending their whole career right, it takes a cabbean.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Amount of fortitude.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That was forced, didn't I apologize.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It takes a tremendous amount of fortitude, even if you
are talented to.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Navigate this, My god, it is a difficult navigation, by
the way. I've been doing it forty years, still navigating,
but with today's world. One thing I do have that
helps me is radical acceptance. Anything that's going on, I
accept it. I may not like it, but I completely
and utterly accept it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So Barry says.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It's really amazing that you came in here today.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It could really help me out.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
I need to borrow five thousand.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Dollars, of course, so I can have this.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Of course, I'll be able to pay you back as
soon as he you know, as he goes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Very soon, very soon.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's got that naise a little, you know. You just
see this schleppiness of him.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's amazing you came in here today. You could really
help me out. And we see Larry's face and Larry
literally says, and we just know a favor is in
the making and it's going to be a night good.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And Barry wants to borrow five thousand dollars and I'll
pay you back when my father dies, which is a
good setup. Great setup, that's really great setup.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In this relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Bay through the episode, this relationship works like a charm
Barry Larry, Barry Larry.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That storyline works like it's beautifully and Larry goes home
and Cheryl's like, you gave the acupuncturers five thousand dollars.
You gave Barry Wiener, who she calls an asshole, which
is at a character for Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Right that struck.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
She really doesn't at this point. She's not crazy about me,
but we're coposthetic.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, but you know what, that was a little jarring
to me because we don't usually hear Cheryl say that.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's just a tone moment that nobody caught or nobody
knew to catch, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And Larry goes He says, you gave that asshole. Barry doesn't,
and Larry says, he's not an asshole, he's just shy.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
And you're in the shy asshole confusion and.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Then maybe that's why she said asshole.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Set that up. But then another thing she says to him,
which was surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
She says, people come to you with their hands out.
You can't say no. I have trouble saying no.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know why, pussy, I'm just Maybe maybe I'm nice
you have nice pussy confusion.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Maybe I'm just.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Nice you're a pussy. Yeah, and that was a little
This was a different sherriff.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
For actually it was up until then. Now we haven't
seen that side. And I bet you post this we did.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We don't really see Larry.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
When Larry doesn't like something, I call it the lemon face.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He looked like ill.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He looks like he just smelt shit.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Lemon face is nicer. And let's go in a different direction, Susie.
How you dare you get skeatological anyhow? So he's probably
in editing made the lemon face when he saw this
and said never again, because he does realize stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Because it was jarring to me, very drunk.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But I also want to say it's very interesting. And
we did an episode about this with Larry thanking the
guy for the meal and not the wife play by
Amy A. Keino, and he says why he makes all
the money.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Also in a later episode, where Cheryl says something to
the extent of loving.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You is my job.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So she's married to him, she's got to deal with him.
We know we're married. Who's money is whose money? You
always made more money. I always made more money. I
don't look at that money.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, to protect me and Sari, it is her job
to keep an eye on me. Give her that job.
She wanted that job. I'm just saying I think there's
something wrong with her. To be honest, she is a
saint and that she wants that job.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But I don't think about you. Know, this is the
power of an intimate relationship. I make more money than
my husband. I never think about that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Our money.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You and I'm obsessed about you making more money than
your husband. I can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So then we find out also that they've been invited
to Barry's wife, whose name is Carol. Carol's surprise party yep, okay,
doorbell rings and a beautiful bouquet of orchids has been
delivered to Larry. Cheryl then says, also, did you give
him a five thousand dollar tip?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
She's being very service in this episode.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That he may lose five thousand in his bet with
him if Larry revealed that. But I also want to
say Larry and I had the same acupuncturist, and Larry
did receive orchids from our occupunt.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, I'm glad, so let me just say we didn't
say yet. The orchids are from Kazoo, his actupuncture.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
So Larry and I had the same acupuncturists. A sweet,
delightful man. I used to love when you would say
to me, would you lie on the back like you
said it? Like that? You know? And I would do anything.
I was hypnotized.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
But he was excellent in his JA and he sent
orchids to Larry. Why to me, why did he send
me this day?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Because I just felt like this was such a random thing.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It is based on reality now specifically, that's why he
is curious asking everyone later on which I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't It didn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
We'll get there, But did he ever find out why?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And I have talked about it and the man passed away.
So it's a secret because I would have gladly said
to him, because I have no thing, I go. Do
you remember sending Larry David orchids? Yes, I would also
like to tell me why.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'd like to ask our audience if and they could,
you know, weigh in if anyone has been sent orchids
by their acupuncturist.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
If this is a thing, right, we don't know. It's
a mystery.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a mystery the way in today's day and agent
that didn't really exist in a big way, you can
actually type in acupuncture and orchids and see what.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Do you do that?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Jeff, Well, you do it with a perm mask on.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Let's keep going, okay, And then we cut two after
he gets the orchids from Kazu his acupunctures and he's
perplexed by it. We cut to Larry and Jeff eating
in a Japanese restaurant. You got a Japanese theme here
and all along this Japanese music is playing in the background,
which creates a kind of eerie, weird But.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
You've never been in a sushi place that has Japanese.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There was something about this episode where everything seemed to
the episode.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm saying that Japanese restaurant is not. And then the
idea that he says to me, have you ever heard
of such a thing? And I say, the most ignorant
thing you have. Funny but terribly ignorant. I think it's
a Japanese gay thing. Yes, where would I get that information?
How did I figure that?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Have that written down right here?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We also find out in this episode that you are
also going to the surprise party.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, and we go together, and I going to go together.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You're picking them up, right, And then Larry asked the waiter.
The waiter comes over and he looks like that wonderful
actor from the seventh It comes over before the waiter
looks like that wonderful actor from the seventh Samurai and
I forgot his name.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, Teresha Muffoon.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think, no, no, that's not the one I'm thinking of.
He's not the leader guy. Terisia mffoon plays the crazy
guy a Samurai. Yeah, they're all samurai.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I don't know he's the samurai.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Correct, But it's the shaved head guy who is the
Did you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Find him attractive back then when you saw in the movie.
It's a gay I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And for those of you who don't know, The Magnificent
Seven is based on that, there are people.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Out there who don't even remember the sequel with Denzel
Washington of The Magnificent Seven. You're referring to, but you're
referring to the old brother Steve McQueen one, so a
lot of people are lost. Yeah, Bronson, Bronson, James Colburn.
It's a brilliant movie, so much fun, but based.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
On based on seven Sammy, which is which is a
visual feast to see the Seventh Samurai if you ever
get to see here.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
You're using the term visual feast. What are you a
critic now? It just came out to find something to
write in your New York Times review.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's how I see. It's visual, beautiful coaster ride. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So Larry then asked the waiter, the Japanese waiter, if
it's common in Japan for a professional person, a doctor,
an acupuncturist, whatever, to send orchids and he gets a
very angry response for the waiter. We don't really know
why was the waiter told to give an angry response
That was in the script for sure. That was in
the outwork, okay, and then.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Larry's the way lovely man. Yeah, and it's a terrific job.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
And then Larry's a state lawyer comes by who was
played by Scott ats It and I forgot his name
I haven't written down later Chara Joel okay, and he's
wearing you know, casual Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We denim shirt and denhim pants.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That was later on.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
This time's wearing is like a corduroy shirt or something whatever,
but it is casual.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
What do you do you're not working today?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, I'm going back right now. What's with the out
Oh it's casual Friday. I don't like this. I don't
like this casual. What are you my mother?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know you're just.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're encroaching in my territory. I want you people to
be uncomfortable all the time.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Well, listen, you don't make thissus. You can buy a
naked Tuesdays.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
But and Larry says, five to ten years, it's going
to be casual Monday. It's it's no good. Let's take
and he says, people like you walking around looking like
people like me.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah. I like the separation of church and state. If
you will, right, you know, but I want to say something.
Larry was saying that as a joke and it's turned
out to be true. Only a top law firm people
wear suits. You go to a lot of law firms.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
They're dressing change it, especially post pandemic, well, post.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
By damnic they're wearing pajamas to work. They're Larry Charles.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes. And then the flambay comes.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So we meet the lawyers, my estate lawyer, Hello, Hello,
casual Friday Blunt.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
And then he leaves and Scott adds it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Also, let's just talk about him a little bit terrific actor, yes,
you know, great commit their.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Second City guy went on to thirty rock. A delightful gentleman,
a delightful improviser, there you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Go, and a delightful human being. Yes, and then the flombaby.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
If you're a delightful gentleman, aren't you? Automatically I would hope, so, well, yeah,
then you didn't need to add that, Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well I was adding that I feel he's a delight.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That is different. You could add your opinion even if
I've just said it.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So then the flombee comes in.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's the reason you went there in the first place,
and before the flombee is lit on fire, you mentioned
you set up a meeting with Julia at ABC, which
will come to fruition in a later episode.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yes, it comes into fruition in the doll.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, it does, because.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We're recording this season out of order.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yes, he lights the flambay on fire and his arm
catches fire and Larry pours water.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But hold on a second. Here, there's excitement, Oh yeah
from everyone in the restaurant and me that the dude's
arm is on fire. So it's not larryus assuming or
seeing a little bit of fire.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
His arm was on fire.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Fire.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I found it quite obvious though, that he was
wearing one of those fire sleep I didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's so funny that you noticed.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, but it's really on fire.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
His tie was made of chocolate that I did notice it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's really on fire.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And Larry instinctively correctly takes the glass of water and
pours it on his arm, and he's padding it down
to Yes, and the waiter is not happy about this. Yeah,
not one iota. He's not a happy man, this waiter.
All right, Cut to We're at Larry's house. Yes, and
there's where's Jeff because you're picking them up, you're going
they're going to the surprise party.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You're late, And she's like, why'd you ask.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Him to do?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Why couldn't we meet him? Larry.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I couldn't say, no, knock on the door, Jeff's late.
Why was Jeff late? Because the room service was late
and coming when a party.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I said that to the effect of you understand like
I didn't say it, like, oh, I'm terribly sorry, but
you don't understand service.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Which also made no sense because you go into a party,
Why are you waiting for room service?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You're going to eat at the party.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, no, no, I got to say something in defense
of that that makes sense to me. You'll order room
service that's supposed to get to you by eight thirty
because you're leaving at eight forty five.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It doesn't get there till nine unless you're at a
great hotel. Even having some of the great hotels, that
pretty much is. It's like Instacart or door dash. They're
always coming late, always, So whatever time they tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
For estimation, they're not our sponsors.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I hope they are, because I still use them. I
just know realistically, when I.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Just found it odd that you're eating before you leave.
When you go into a party with it's going to
be food, you can.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Call that odd. What character are we talking about? Okay,
I'm rottenness to a fault.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So you're late.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
And then Larry comes down and Cheryl does not like
his outfit. He's wearing jeans, he's wearing blue and black.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I find it more for me if I'm an observer
in that scene, I say to them, you look terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But which I f a little out of character.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'm kissing Cheryl's ass probably, But also the costumers made
it ill fitting. It didn't fit right. Yeah, Now he
wears the same kind of clothes and they fit beautifully.
Who's the same.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, But it was all story purpose, because there had
to be a reason why you were all late.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So Larry goes up and changes.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And when he goes up and changes, he talks about
the elephant in the room, and that is And I
don't know why I was given this, It was not
in the script. A fucking lime green shirt coactly, I'm
your character, Yes, I mean a lime green I.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Hate I could see Jeff Green wearing that line green.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, you don't think so.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
No, he's a man. He either wears like golf style
clothes or he wears his insane ties with ill fitting suits.
Back then, they would buy me really cheap suits that
felt like a burlap bag. Is that right, burlap? Yes,
they didn't fit at all.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's quite interesting to me seeing these early episodes how
the looks have changed over the.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Seasons they went from you know to.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Let me point out very importantly, the budget has completely changed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
In the early years we had they get and as I.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Mentioned before, they referred to us as their little experimental
show that went on to currently be the longest running
show in HBO history.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But they didn't have a budget for Zenya suits back then. No, no, no,
I know that I'm letting the audience now.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, but it looks like shit. Yeah, my characters are sloth,
so maybe it's appropriate for my character. But give me
a fucking break, lime green shirt.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We'll be right back. Stay tuned. Okay, we're back. So
Larry has to change.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
More time wasted and then they get to the party
and they ruin the surprise They pull up just when
Barry and Carol are pulling up, so bizarre.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So you got him, right, yeah, well, why don't you go?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, you two go in and wait, what is that?
Oh it's my birthday. Well that's why we got you
a birthday ye told.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Us because he told me it was your birthday, so
I knew I was going to stop buying for the sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And the three of us.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
There's a surprise party in that house.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You're having a surprise party.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
What you didn't invite us?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I'm so sorry, Carol change his outfit.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You are so selfish, And and Cheryl has a gift,
and the whole thing is ruined.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And by the way, that actress who plays the wife
is Ruthie Rudnick, another compadre of mine who was wonderful
from Second City. She was great. I didn't remember, like
I didn't think she was bad, but I didn't remember
how good she was.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And she says, you are so selfish.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, you surprise my wife my exes thirtieth surprise bird
birthday party, which to this day couldn't hate surprise parties,
hate receiving or going. But it's fun when you're younger.
Let's a hide, get under the desk.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, the funniest was in a later season when Susie
gives Jeff a surprise point.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
But that was hilarious because and I was barely in
that episode, and my dear friend Aaron O'Malley directed that episode,
and it was just weird that the episode that I'm
barely in she directs.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But you mentioned the whole episode.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yes, I mentioned the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But Carol's very upset about this. And do you believe
what they did to me?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What I was about to say before I went up
on a tangent, is this exact thing happened with an
old girlfriend of mine who Marla was friendly with, and
she had come early like that, or she mentioned it
on a phone call point being as Marla knew, and
she was not happy about it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
She that the surprise was ruined. Yes, I would rather
the surprise be ruined. I would rather know.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
By the way, we just stated, we hate Yeah, I
would rather know my own surprise party.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I ain't going well you might not know.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, No, well then I'm leaving. Okay, you throw me
a surprise party. Just telling you anyone out there, by the.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Way, no one gives a shit planning.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
That's exactly right. And I just turned sixty, that would
have been the time. But I just want to say,
I don't want to go to the surprise party, either
as a guest or a surprise surprise e and I
will leave in both cases.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's out there. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
By the way, I've also been the person who takes
the person time.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I had to ruin it be my friend Jane because
she refused to stay away from that. And finally I
had to say, Okay, they're making a surprise party.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Okay, we have to stay at this cafe for another
half hour.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Right, So Larry's having a whole conversation about the Civil War?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Did we really need the South? What was the whole
point keeping this set not?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I want to say something here. He knew that I
think it's six thousand that we lost six six hundred thousand,
and Larry and I in New York had a bet
about how many casual teas and were in the Civil War,
and I was way off. I didn't say six.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Thousand, but well, six thousands ridiculous, but I was way off.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
He always wins the bets, and I've mentioned that on
the show before. But what's funny is we're going to
breakfast to have our final I did research. You did research.
Here's what it is. On the way there. This sounds
like it's exaggerated. It is exactly what happened. On the
side of the street. A homeless man was selling the
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entire time life.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Books the Civil War.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Now I would have bought it in a second if
it was one volume, but then buy one volume.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He was only as a sexy something.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Hold on, I go there and we settle the thing
I've lost going back, I thought, let me try and
give him a lot of money for one volume. It'll
be funny. On set. If I handed to Larry, they.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Were all gone, Oh, somebody bought it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Someone bought it, because I'm sure it was a good price. Probably, yeah,
and they probably had their pole wagon. They can just
load it into their wagon. The engine red.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
What is that called again, something flyer, something fly Yeah, America.
I just got one from my granddaughter. And that's real.
I really do have a granddaughter. And then we see
Cheryl talking to mister Wiener, Barry's father played by the
great Ed Asner.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And by the way, I wrote down and big with
a big exclamation point ed Asner. Now, I can't say
how much joy the Mary Tyler Moore gave to.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Me Yes Saturday.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yes. So Saturday Night was Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart
and the Carol Burnett Show. The other half hour slot
was always rotating. None of those shows did well, but
to have Carol Burnette where I learned so much about comedy,
Bob Newhart where I saw how you do that kind
of show, and Mary Tyler Moore all this historic stuff.
So seeing Ed Asner and when I was a kid,
(26:48):
I thought he was mean. I'm like, why is he
so mean to Marry?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But that's his cart, that's his character.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
But he plays he's he's pretty gruffisode in this.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Episode, it's not even that he's all.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes with Shy and absolutely with Cheryl herat and he
was great and.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He's playing Barry's father and Cheryl's talking to him about
her environmental stuff the NRDC, and he's flirting with her
and being inappropriate with her, and they talk about, you know,
outfit approval. So he wants to contribute, but we know
he doesn't give a shit about the n r DC.
He's just flirting with Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And by the way, what blows my mind is that
here's another to you he says, yes, but this is
another moment where Cheryl would have realized that right away
it was out of character.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
And then I also say that chair that Cheryl was in,
don't think I didn't sit there and talk all night
to Ed Asner. Remember he's in that chair, asking him
a million questions from the Mary Tyler Moore Show, where
he lived when they filmed at Roskamire Road, everything about
how he handles this. And at that point he'd already
been the president of SAG. He had so many questions
(27:53):
asking And by the way, people don't know this one
of the people that helped start Second City. He had
great He was part of a skit called University of
Chicago Football Team. And you know, at the school for
brilliant people, they've never had a football team. But it's
about a coach trying to express how to play and
he has to use all this intellectual stuff. It's a
(28:13):
pretty brilliant skit.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Can we see it on YouTube or something or no?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Probably, By the way, I did see a video of
it VHS. When I was in Second City. We had
access to.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
The history of the thing, you know, and maybe it's
out there, something to be out there.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Viewers take a look. I love when he says, how
did that step back?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Viewers take a look that sounds like no enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, it's not something I'm greatly enthusiastic about. Okay, Well,
mister Wiener says, how did that? Glob ever marry you
that I was enthusiastic about.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I love Larry being.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Going by the way that one I get.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
And then Larry sits down with mister Wiener. Yeah, and
it digs a whole asked him if he knows about
the custom of Japanese men giving orchids.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Okay, Now, this is something that runs through Larry's character
through the whole show, and that is asking questions to
people inappropriate way, not even inapproperly, who definitely do not
know the answer and it may offend them to what
degree or in one degree or another?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well clearly because mister Wiener's response was, I don't know
what they do in Japan. They may take it up
the ass in Japan, which I was like, everything about
this episode was so weird.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, but Larry would have never allowed that now because
it's too crude. I know you want him to go
more subtle, but I loved him, saying that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Then he asked, Larry, what are you doing these days?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
He says, he's going to do a pilot with the
maybe working with Julia, and he's like, oh, you know her.
So he didn't even know that Larry had created Seinfeld.
And you must have made a bundle, he says to him,
and then Larry goes into his thing.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I'm very lucky.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Yeah, And I'll tell you something.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I'm lucky that I had a father who was so
supportive of me, because without him it never would have happen.
And I was working in a dry cleaner. I didn't
tell him I had no money, but I needed to
support myself. And then one day he found out about it.
Next thing I knew. He said to me, listen, I
got a lot of money. I'm going to give you
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this money anyway after I die. Let me give you
some Now, your father left you money, Yes, he did.
He gave me a quarter of what I was going
to get in the will, and that enabled me to
go out and start writing. I never would have gotten
Seinfeld if not for him.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
He gave me the money while he was alive because
he knew that I was working in the dry cleaner,
I was living in.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This horrible place with a barka launcher, and on and
on and.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
On and on.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Two things I want to say. First off, stuff like
that is not was not in the script back now.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Now, our scripts are so dense that it goes into
a little of what he would say, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
My story appropriately, No, no, I'm taking that story.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But back then he just improvised the fuck out of that.
Did it different every time? But I think that money
speech is the high point of the show. Yeah, it's
the moment, the zenith where I look at Larry with
a wonder as he's coming up with something that is
on this side of believability. If you know the character,
you know he's full of shit. He's making it up,
(31:14):
but it sounds just believable enough, but you can still
be skeptical.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And we see mister Wiener listening to this diatribe, and
then he says, do you know in a state lawyer?
And Larry recommends Joel Reynolds, who we've met already.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Scott ats it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Wiener says he wants to make a change right away,
and his lawyer's in Acapulco. He can't wait to make
the change. Now it's set up to think that Larry's
going to believe what Larry said.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is influencing a different opinion. But as a viewer, I
knew it was going to backfire. I knew he was
going to leave the money to the NRDC.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But that's what I thought. We did not know what
we find out later, which was he cuts his son
out of the will. That's why he wanted him in that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I actually thought that watching it, that that was what
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Oh, I thought it was in our DC.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I thought it was both. I thought he was going
to cut his son out and leave it to the NRDC.
Larry thinks his whole tloy was successful, and then he says,
I love your wife, and he says what kind of change,
and mister Wiena says, you'll find out, and Larry looks
very pleased with himself because he thought, look at the mitzvah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I just did you know. We'll be right back. Stay tuned,
and we're back. And then Cheryl's going to go meet
mister Wiener for lunch, which again.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Makes no sense because she would have invited Larry with
because he was a creepy guy. Yes, which, by the way,
the gentleman that I talked to the opposite gentleman. What
an open, warm guy.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Playing a part.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, and his son was very nice.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And Cheryl leaves to go meet mister Wiener at a restaurant,
and Barry Weener drives up and is pissed at Larry,
did you tell my father a story about a dry cleaner?
And you and Cheryl had a conspiracy to try to
cut me out of the will. He's giving everything. I'm
cut out of the will. He's giving everything to the NRDC.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now we did something unusual here. We never do what's
going on here? What's going on there? What's going on here?
Was inter cutting two scenes at once. I don't think
we've ever done it since.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I can't be very unusual.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
We might as well had four squares and people talking.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Felt so weird, you know what I mean? And it
was off.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The episode was not just off, not just the content,
but the way it was shot. Everything felt weird about
this episode.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It felt a bit off, I will say, But also
remember back then, we're all doing the best that we can.
We didn't realize that the episode in retrospect would come
out like this. We thought we were doing a pretty
good thing. And I do think that there might have
been an explanation for the flowers that we never got,
or why that guy reacted that way. But it was
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either cut out, just left, or was just left. I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So mister Wiener goes to see Joel Reynolds, and Joel
Reynolds is now dressed in the jean shirt jeans, and
Wiener is complete, who's like an older man in a suit,
is completely puzzled.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
What's this up for?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Is it a Halloween party? Or what is it?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
You know, it's casual Friday?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Casual Friday? What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
That means we just dressed like we would at home,
But you're not at home, nobod, it's just casual Friday.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, I know you told me that already. What are
you doing casual Friday?
Speaker 5 (34:23):
We're just coming into our work, but we dress casually.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Well, it's just one day of the week.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I don't go Damn if it's half a day a week,
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I'm here to change my will. A lot of money
is involved. It's very important to me.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
We wouldn't treat you casually.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
And why the hell you dress that way?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I want you to be on cutting edge man, whenever
you're handling my business.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
This is cutting.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I don't need this crap. You look like a fucking cowboy, but.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And Joel ren as well, we wouldn't treat you casually.
Then why the hell are you dress that way? You
know it was she was great at astor you look
like a fucking cowboy. You go wrangle somebody else's money,
you know. So Wiener walks out he has not changed
the will because he does not like the way that
Joel Reynolds is dressed. Then we cut back to Barry
and Larry it's what you were just saying. It's a
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weird interricut. And Barry's like, you got to talk to him.
You got to convince him that I didn't put you
up to it. And then while he's doing that, the
acupuncturist secretary calls to confirm his appointment with Larry, and
Larry says I can't do the appointment, and the reception says,
how are you feeling? And Larry says I'm better, which.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Really could be taking out of context. Feeling better is
different than then.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm better as we get and he gets to that later.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then Larry goes to the Japanese restaurant and Cheryl's
getting drunk on sake and Larry shows up because he
wants to talk to mister Weener about giving Barry back
his money. And he says, Barry didn't put me up
to it, and he locks eyes with the same angry
waiter who had been there before, and the waiter throws
water in Larry's face because Larry had thrown water.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
On the waiter prior to this.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But the water goes Larry ducks, Larry ducks, and the
water goes into mister Wiener's face, and mister Wiener in
the suit, the whole face, the whole thing, and mister
Wiener drops dead of a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well he doesn't drop from the water. He gets up
and he's angry and then he can't articulate, and boom,
he's dead, stroke, cart attack whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It all splashes at a mammy and all that splashes
up on Larry. And then we're at the Shiver and
you're there, yep, and you know it's so sudden, so unexpected.
Barry says he's full of shit because he couldn't wait
for it to happen. And we find out Larry was
the last one to see him alive. So it's really
Larry's fault, right.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
That is carried that part of the episode by Doug Benson.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, comedian Doug plays a relative, Dog plays.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Who plays his nephew. And Doug was great and I
had fun with him because we're both you know, we've
known each other for years. He was one of the
guys like Jad Appatol where Doug and I would open
for terrible headliners, you know, just who went on to
nothing and we be the opening acts. Doug Benson, myself, myself, JA,
but tell more so Judd Apatow. But it is so
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interesting to look back on.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a lifetime, it's a career.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And Larry tells a story about how he botched in
abilical Cord and the kid won't talk to him, and
Barry takes him aside, thanks him and gives him a
five thousand dollars check.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Oh, this is no I told you you get it
as soon as you died, and you made it happen.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I didn't make anything happen. I mean kind of that's
just great.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Larry, you got your money back?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
What the check?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
What check? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Larry lent Barry five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
The condition was when his dad passed away, he would
get the money back.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Excuse me, there was no condition. I get it.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You took five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You're a bounty hunter. You maed my uncle for her
five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Come on, please, cousin Doug accuses him of being a
bounty hunter, and all hell breaks loose and they all
attack him, and Doug grabs him by the neck and
gets him in a neck hold, and we hear a
crunch and we know he's got to go back to the.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
That's a beautiful transition to going back to the Japanese doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's a very curb transition, very.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Curb transition, and it makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And Larry is at the acupunctures and the acupuncture is
with a beautiful woman, a very pretty wife, which we
never find out why. That is another piece that was
never really resolved. And the acupuncturer says, you already owe me.
You want to make another deal, I'll fix your neck again.
You want to make another deal because you already owe
me five thousand dollars. Larry's like, I don't know you
five thousand dollars. And we go into this whole the
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reception and said, you said you were better, it's better, blah,
they're both wrong.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And after I treated you you were better. Better is better?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And then you know, the acupuncture goes into you caused
me great shame with my family, how do you intend
to pay?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And he endorses Barry's check.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
But also he asked he does ask the doctor so
you guys.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So that Yeah, after he endorses Barry check, he says
to the doctor, so I got the orchids, and the
doctor says ancient Japanese custom, And we don't know if
that's true or not.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We end on that it was so well done.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Is this the first time I mentioned it before? Where
the staring with Larry? Did it happen before this?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Because they do, they do a staredown.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
There's no special music whatever, but there's a version of
the staredown.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Which just protected later.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, it tickled Larry, so we brought it back. But
I wonder if this is the first time that happened.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Because we did see it in this season, and because
we Jeff and Susie are recording these out of order.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I don't know if it has happened before or after this.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Did you just go third person on us? You said
Jeff and Susan.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, I'm safer to us as opposed to Jeff Green. No,
as opposed to Jeff Green and Susie Green.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You have to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Well, some people confuse us the way.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think that you're a little elitist. I think that
you're full of yourself. I mean that notepat is very Susie.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It is, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I just scramped it at CVS and I like it.
You know, here's the thing about the Susie Green wardrobe.
A lot of people wear animal prints, but they just
don't wear them in combination with other animal prints.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Right, Yeah, so that's a big animal print.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Guy, I don't see you an animal print. I don't
think it would look good on you.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I've never I don't even like the Cincinnati Bengals football
team because of the Prince and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Not
a fan, no, just based on their uniform.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So let's just wrap up this episode. It was a
strange episode, a strange episode in many ways, in the
way it was shot, in the way it was hot,
in the in the content.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It could have been Brian Gordon new direct This is
coming on later.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
For the next special section, which but I don't think
it was Brian.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
There was something No, no, no, I'm just saying all
the things put together that may have added to it.
It's a new voice coming in.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It felt odd, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
It just did feel it felt very odd. So I'm
not blaming Brian Gorgon, yeah, because maybe I was off,
Larry was off, But I'm saying all the ingredients just
didn't mix. Yeah, it's especially having things hang in the air.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And things that didn't make sense, you know, just sitting there,
the orchids and that that why is the weight so angry?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Next episode, Yeah, this was episode six. Next episode episode seven,
one of everybody's favorites, including my own, which is what
the doll.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Oh well, yes, yes, with our special guest.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Our special guest next time will be Larry David. Larry David.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We've told him and he didn't argue that he's going
to come on once a year. He had a great time,
so we'll see. Yeah, you know, but we at least
get him for this, and that was all interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But we're doing a tease now that next episode Larry
will be on with us.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
All right, well, thank you very much for listening. And yes,
Susie is pretentious with her notepad. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
She's already bringing I gotta go, bye, Ray, thank you.
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Speaker 1 (41:53):
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