July 15, 2024 • 53 mins
Only days ago, the 'House of Halliwell' podcast announced Shannen Doherty was joining her castmates Holly Marie Combs, Brian Krause, and Drew Fuller to relive the magic that was 'Charmed.' This show, this character, this podcast meant so much to Shannen she couldn't wait to share it with Charmed fans everywhere. We want to honor her memory, and fulfill Shannen's wishes by airing the first five episodes she recorded before her passing.
She was passionate about this project and proud to have played Prue Halliwell, we hope these episodes offer some comfort for everyone who loved her.
Prue, your memory remains and your magic lives on.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, and thank you for tuning in to another
episode of the House of Alleywell. I'm Brian Krause, and
I come to you this evening with a heavy heart
to learning the news of Shannon Dougherty's passing just yesterday afternoon.
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I know all of us here at the House of halliwell, iHeartMedia,
social media all over the world is shocked, devastated. Too young,
too talented, too loving, too grateful, too early. Shannon will
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dearly be missed, and we are so honored that she
had come on with us, had us along with her
on this new incantation of the House. I highly well.
We were lucky enough to record four episodes in the
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last week or so, and Shannon was just so motivated
and determined to help make this show a success and
give all of you more insight into what it was
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in the making and the fun and the behind the
scenes of Charmed. And when Shannon wanted to get something done,
she got it done. And that's something I learned a
long time ago watching her on set and work and
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be such a professional and so good at what she did.
She's had her last life long lasting impression on me.
I'm sorry, I'm bumbling a little. I find it hard
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to say everything I want to say, so perhaps I'll
leave you off with this. I know how grateful Shannon
was as I was lucky enough to travel with her
to many different places and comic cons and go backstage
and hear from her the things that affected her emotionally joyously.
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It gave her so much emotionally meeting the fan and
hearing the stories and knowing how much it meant to
all of you, it filled her greatly. And I know
that she believed in the House of Hallowell to be
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the little bit that she was able to give back,
and so all of us here at the House of Hallewell,
I want to honor that and we are going to
continue on in her name kick freaking ass, because that's
what she would do. And so from us at the
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House of halliwell, I love you, and we thank you,
and please keep sharing it in your prayers and all
our family, and take care of yourself and I hope
you enjoy this next episode as much as I do.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of House of Hellowell.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Episode one uh formerly knows as a pilot something Wika
this way comes from here to October seventh, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The synopsis to this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The series kicks off with the Hallewell sisters back under
one roof despite some sisterly druma. Meanwhile, a killer is
on the loose in San Francisco and Prue's ex boyfriend,
Inspector Andy, is on the case. Phoebe finds the Book
of Shadows in the attic, and all three sisters suddenly
have magical powers. When Piper's boyfriend ends up being a
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warlock in disguise, the sisters come to terms with the
fact that life will never be the same.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Holly, I'm going to turn this over to you because
you guys are the pros that know how to do
a rewatch of a rewatch of a rewatch. I've never
done this before.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well did you enjoy it the rewatch? Yeah? I did?
You did? Did you watch everything like I did? Like
I know we got dailies. I watched every second of
Daily's do you mean when we were filming the show.
I don't remember if you watched them or not.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like occasionally, but really only the episodes I directed.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So I watched Daily's every second of them, and then
I would watch every episode once only, so everybody else
in the world is clearly very ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't like watching dailies because I feel that when
I watch dailies, I become very conscious of certain things
that I do, and I think, as you do, it's
not good for you, like I think it restricts you
in a lot of ways. I watched the very first
day of dailies just to see if the lighting was
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good and then if we all looked good. Yeah, but
then past that, I just didn't want to restrict myself
by being too self conscious.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Right, Yeah, you would pick up your quirks, your habits
that you would do over and over again. Yes, I
do remember. Yeah, Hi, John Holly, mister Kretschmer, He's like,
you know you are Charmed OJI director of the day.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Thank you. I am very proud to say that I
directed more Charm than any other single director.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
How many episodes did you direct?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Seventeen?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
On the seventeen they were all when I was on
Or did you cheat on me?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
John, he did, well, yes I did.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But I did do three with you, Shanny, so that
counts for something.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, my god, you only did three with me, and
is seventeen? What is happening. You made a big vision.
You were one of my favorite directors. You cheated on me.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So sweet, You're so sweet. Let's let's change the subject
for Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
He's getting uncomfortable already, Hot seat John, That's what this
time around.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
It's a brand new house. It's a totally different five,
totally different five here, hot seat House of Valiwell, so, but.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You directed most important, you directed the pilot, which really
set the tone for the show.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Well, it's a little more complicated than that, Shannon. There
was a present I was asked to direct the twenty
minute presentation, and I was unavailable because I was working
as a producer director on another show, which was a
mistake because I should have done the charming presentation. But nonetheless,
Bruce Seth Green came in into the twenty minutes and
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then they replaced the third sister when I was hired
to do to do the entire episode, so I reshot
everything with the exception of Holly's confrontation in the elevator
with Jeremy.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So, pilot basically, yes, I'm that complicated. Yes, you directed
the pilot. Yeah, I never watched because I don't watch
anything that I'm on The only episodes I watched were
the ones I directed, and I watched it in the
editing room as we were editing. So for me to
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do this rewatch and actually have to rewatch it, I
got to be honest with you. I was like, really
really impressed by the pilot. I was, and maybe I
was looking at it with a director's eye, but right probably, Yeah.
I was blown away by the lighting. I was blown
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away by the shots, the movement of the camera, the direction.
How you know, you really felt the sisters like bond
in their relationship, and I was just like, I mean
I spoke to Holly about it and I was like,
oh my god, Like that pilot was so good. So
kudos to you, man, because you did an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Thank you well. You know, as I've told you privately,
it was a very easy job to do because you
guys were so fantastic and Brian, I wish I could
include you, but you weren't in the episode, or Drew,
but you came. When you guys came in, same thing happened.
I mean, it was just it was always a pleasure
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to come to the show because everyone was so professional,
so prepared. There were never any contentious fights. There were
creative discussions, but we never we never seemed to We
always seemed to be on the same page.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
And the thing, the thing that I appreciated with you
and Holly was that you guys were so well prepared
that when we shot a scene, we shot it very
quickly because there wasn't a lot that I didn't There
was no need to tweak the performances. You guys were
just dialed into these characters from the get go. So
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if the pilot is successful, I have to say that
eighty percent of that has to do with you guys
and not me, And with with the script too, which
which afforded me a lot of opportunities, And with Tommy
del Ruth, who was the cameraman who did a wonderful
job and came up with some wonderful ideas. And you know,
you have to mention Dean Mitzner, who is the production
designer who built that wonderful interior set and.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It is gorgeous that set.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, And then and then we also have I also
have to do a tip of the hat to Steve Labet,
who was the visual effects guy. I think you know,
you look at you look at this pilot, which was
twenty eight years ago, I think, and it's not up
to the snuff of what we can do today. But
I have to say the visual effects are pretty darn
good for what for that period, and they hold up
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pretty well. And I don't know, Holly, and and and
and uh jan and if you remember, as the year progressed,
getting the visual effects became easier. We didn't have to freeze,
we didn't have to bring in the blue screen. It
became a much quicker process. But that that first episode
required a lot of technical work to get it to work,
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you know, especially where Holly, where you froze people. That
was very hard.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It was awkward.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
But thank you, Jen and I you know, I watched
it yesterday and I thought, nah, it holds up pretty well,
you know, And I.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Think I think it's a testament really well.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I think it's a testament to everyone involved in the
show that this many years later, it is still an
incredibly popular show on streaming services. I mean, it's amazing
that it is constantly running to this day.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But I did notice in the pilot what really stood
out to me. One of the things was the relationship
and the acting between tw Ted King and Dorian.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, like it was. They were so good.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Together and right off the bat, and I didn't really
remember or like that chemistry, and so when I watched it,
I think that a lot of that is from direction.
It's obviously from the two of them as well. But
for you to not take credit for that, like you're
super humble and that's lovely, but you I wasn't there
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for their scenes, right, But whatever you did, whatever that
connection was that you captured between the two of them,
they were really really good.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
That was my favorite line I think in the whole
pilot when he was like, Dorian goes she didn't direct Jack,
and I was like, I'm laughing, oh, by myself. They
were so good.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
It's very sweet of you to say that, Shannon, But
I'll be completely honest with you, that was all them.
I really I don't. I don't remember going in there
and having to do much work those scenes. They were
very enthusiastic, but those were some of the first things
we filmed, as I remember. If I'm not yeah, I
think so.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Which on the pilot really had a feeling of I
thought I was watching a movie, like a feature film.
It had a feeling of like an eighties family thriller,
horror thriller, excitement, and which was very unusual for television
at that time.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
They were so separate.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So when you were booked to do the pilot and
you come brought on, how much were you able to share, like,
this is what I want to do with it, and
brought in the cinematic view and the way you added
shots and all of that.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I don't remember any tonal or stylistic discussions with Duke
or with Connie or with Brad specifically. I think Jim
Conway had who was familiar with my work, was comfortable
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bringing me in knowing, I guess, knowing what I was
going to do with it. The one thing that we
I did have an argument with Aaron about was I
didn't want to do a lot of establishing shots. If
you guys remember spelling shows were famous for a shot
of a hospital with a sign and then zooming in yes,
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and I just I did not want to do that,
and I, you know, Brad, to his credit, went to Duke,
and Duke went to Aaron and said, you know, we've
got to update the look of these shows. And so
for the most part, we were able to eliminate all
the establishing shots or as many as we could.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah, as many as we could.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But other than that, I mean it was part of
the reason there was so much movement is that Tommy,
having done ER, was very familiar with doing long steady
cam shots and and yeah, complicated things. And Holly, if
you remember in the next episode, there's that really amazing
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STEADI caam shot in the bar with you and Alyssa.
It's a different show, but that was Tommy. He was
he was very adept at you know. I would say
can we do this, and he'd say, no problem, and
we did it, you know, so that he made it
very easy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, our crew was amazing, and as the camera department
was like phenomenal. I just I never I never felt
like they were intrusive. They didn't. It wasn't like they're
constantly in your eyeline or and they were really really good,
Like we didn't have to do a lot of takes.
They nailed it on the first try every single time.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And I do remember that it was.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Kind of experimental, I guess you could say, because Tommy
did come from Er and there were those long steady
cam shots and then we started going into like handheld
and and I loved that because that was my personal style.
So it was it was extremely exciting. It was it
was hard too, It was hard, but it was exciting.
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It was you could feel how good the show was
going to be. It was bizarre. It was like you
were excited because you were like, oh, this is really
good and our crew is really good, and our director
is really good, and all the actors are really good,
so you were able to be like, there's no way
the show isn't getting picked up.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I felt like I was treading water the whole time, Like,
you know, I was over exerting all of my efforts,
like I was just trying so hard, which I think
is reflected in Piper. Yes, the hyper Piper walk, just in.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
The way she walks.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And you know, it wasn't until that we went into
Less Sheldon's trailer and I saw the trailer that I
saw the credits and what we heard the music that
I felt like, oh, maybe this is actually something that's
going to be Like I got chills. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, you said in the second in the second episode,
you were in the makeup trailer when I think, I
don't know how you got the information, but you basically
said we're hit, you know, and it was like everyone
sort of relaxed, you know, was very listen. I have
to say we had more fun doing that pilot than
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than than than I can imagine being on any other show.
I mean, I just remember it being a lot of fun. Shannon,
You and I would joke around. There was one time
when you took a polar and of me holding a
martini glass and a cigarette. Do you remember that, you
know which is which? I don't. I don't partake in either,
But you then put it up on the on the monitor,
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you know, is this is our leader kind of thing.
But it was just like that. We just we had fun,
We were relaxed. It was you know, we had confidence
in the material, and I had confidence in you guys
and then the crew. So it was just smooth sailing.
I don't remember any moment of there being difficulty or attention.
Maybe that's just yeah, I just maybe that's just history
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putting a gloss on it.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
But no, we had nothing to lose. We had nothing
to lose in everything to prove, and so yeah, it
was you know, they're going to give us these toys
in this project, and we're going to see if it floats.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Basically, how many days did you guys have to shoot
that pilot?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Seven days?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It was, yeah, it was seventh because we weren't We
didn't get to start doing eight days until later on,
so it was seven day.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
He tried to let get us to do it in
seven in the beginning, but the special effects and then
add stunts to that and make up forget it, it
was not possible.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, but that was after the pilot that that it
was like decided so in the pilot, I mean really,
for you to shoot that pilot with all of the
special effects and everything in seven days, that's pretty that's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
That's insane because usually they give pilots like double like
a pilot's fourteen days or eighteen days, like to really
kind of get Actually.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The presentation was, yeah, you got to remember, we had
the presentation that we had already shot.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
The show was a go, so we had to get
you know, we had to keep doing episodes. Normally, when
you do a pilot and you have ten days to
do it, they then put it together and then they
have to sell it. The show had been sold.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Right, so okay, So and did it feel different for you?
Girls being from the presentation to them the first episode,
did it feel drastically different outside of the recasting.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I don't think it felt drastically different, but it definitely
felt different.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I will say that Lorii Wrong, who played Phoebe in
the beginning was or for the presentation, was really great.
She was a great actress. And you know, Laurie and
Alyssa are very, very very different people. So Laurie's performance
was different than Alyssa's was a lot like Holly and
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I in the sense of very grounded in drama, and
that's you know it was. The presentation was much more
serious and it was way darker, which was my style, right,
So I loved the presentation. I thought, like everybody was great,
but when Alyssa came in, you know, it provided like
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a levity that I think the show ended up needing.
And and she came in and she did a great job,
and yeah, just brought like a slightly different flavor to
the show. And to be honest, like when I when
I watched it, it was like, God, you know, they
accept that their witches so easily, Like especially Phoebe, She's like, oh,
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I'm a witch. I'm like who thinks that like that?
Like that part sort of threw me off.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It was a little rush, and I was like, it could.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Never have worked with Laurie because she was so grounded
and so serious that it would have felt fake. But
with Melissa, you were like, plus she believes she's a
witch immediately.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, I totally played her personality that bubbly, kind of
like trying to figure like, oh, now there's purpose, like
they right, she's.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Searching for her purpose anyway, it gives it to.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Her exactly, and so I think that was really well played,
but was from the one more question about that was
the presentation, like the verbatim. Basically it was the same
exact script and same shot essentially the same kind of
shots or whatever, and then you just.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It well, I mean from my perspective, it was only
twenty minutes. It wasn't a full episode, right, Yeah, there
were scenes that weren't included. Okay, but Bruce and I
have have similar styles, and so I would I would
sometimes use hit what he had shot as a template
for what I wanted to do, but I did tweak
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things to accommodate my own personal aesthetic sense.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Right, because pilots sign please sorry, sorry, go ahead, No, no,
I was just going to say, like a pilot director
really is responsible for establishing ultimately the look and feel
of a show, right, and so the fact that you
were tasked with that and kind of everything that happened
one hundred and seventy plus episodes was really established and
started with you and your kind of vision with Tom
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to to kind of set the tone in the mood
right away, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
You know, and watching it. There were only three things
that dated the show, and I've mentioned this before. One
was Holly in a phone booth, which just you know,
I don't I think that there are people in this
world who don't even know what a phone booth is anymore.
When when TW says or when when Shannon accuses TW
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of checking checking, you know, checking about her past, it's like, well, now,
this was an innocent time before social media, so it
was much more difficult. And the third was is he
hands you his card as opposed to just saying here's
my number, which you know shows the the the use
of the huge use of cell phone since.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Then I hand people in my card all the time.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Also, you robbed a cell phone, you had a cell
phone that was a big like character had a cell
phone web thing within the second episode. I mean maybe
you answered in the the elevator.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah, the the the iPhone had not yet come out.
They were still using flips flip at this point.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yes, what's a flip crazy flip?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I love my flip phone, fiberry buttons, of course, my
favorite was a BlackBerry.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
There were buns.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
You still want pay phones, be honest, But I.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Think I think the show, I think the show you know,
holds up pretty well stylistically and and artistically. It doesn't.
It's not it's not dated like some shows could be.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I think that's I think.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's why it keeps going. I mean, it keeps going
because the fans connected to it so much, but also
because it still feels pretty relevant even today, maybe even
more so today. So I think that that's, you know,
why it continues to stream everywhere. I think it's why
the fans are still so dedicated and watch it over
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and over and over and over again. I like I said,
I didn't find anything that was at a place or
that was dated. When I rewatched it, I was I
was pleasantly shocked and and was and was like, oh hey,
we we all did a really good job. Like I've
been pat with myself on the back, which I never do.
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I'm always so critical of myself. But I was, hey,
you really brought crude of life, and I was, yeah,
for sure, but like, oh my god, her boyfriend, her
ex boyfriend, Roger so true, so.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Deep Roger, question, did you.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Question that I worked for? I worked with who I
just totally took like my ideas and credit for my work.
And he was just the actor obviously was really good
because the character was sleazy and.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
He came across so sleezy, and I know he wasn't.
He was actually a really nice guy. But oh, like
I'm still creeped out by it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'm like, and then to see Prue and Andy's like,
we actually had really good chemistry as well?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You did? It was it was Yeah, everybody wonders what
happened to that relationship? What did happen in that relationship?
I can tell you.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I can tell you I have a detailed breakdown of
what happened to that relationship. Flag with red flag, counter
red flag. I have a lot of red flags on
mister Andy.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, sir, really, so Prue is not like me, because
Prue is better about catching red flags, whereas I run
towards them.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Right, Prue didn't catch any of these red flags? Really well,
then why did they break up?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yes? She did.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
She called red flags. That's why they broke up.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Took a while.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Took a while. Okay, listen, I'm probably not the best
person to break down this relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know you're not true.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
I'm sorry, John. How difficult I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I know things have changed now, CGI and the whole
day there was a lot of lightning and you had
massive rain in this episode which culminated with the soundtrack
which came behind you, which I thought the music in
the soundtrack in this episode was fantastic and fits so
well and helped push the story. How difficult was it
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filming backed in so practically and then matching up that
soundtrack where you were you involved in the that end
of the show as well in the edit and pushing
the sound of the show.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I don't think I couldn't participate in the in the
final mix because I was shooting the next episode, So
you have to you have to give the post production
people credit for that. I don't remember there being sound
issues from the rain that was created on stage, because
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that's usually fairly well controlled with horsehair and troughs and
things like that, and lightning is very easy, easily done
back in those days, which and didn't make much noise,
so I don't I don't recall there being issues with
dialogue and soundtrack personally, but it was.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Used really craftly and with the music. That's what kind
of got me into some of it, which I didn't
notice the first time, is how much it was used
to kind of propel some of the emotions of the story,
and the way you placed it was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well that's that's the post production people. I again, I
couldn't participate in the spotting of the music or discussions
with the composer unforcedly because as an itinerant television director
always working on something else, and I was literally filming
the next episode or editing the next episode, so I
didn't have a You know, you have to give that
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credit to Connie and Brad and everyone in post production.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, sorry, but thank you for I can't take credit
for it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So when did the girls like first discover Like when
was it? Because I was always amazed that they accepted
that they as I said before, that they were witches
right away so just like recapping the actual episode, I
know that you know, they find the Book of Shadows,
they have the Ouiji board, and the Wigi board starts
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doing its thing on its own, but still to accept
it so easily and holly, like your character then starts
like I think Prue was the one who was so doubtful,
but even your character, you know, the sort of pragmatic one,
I would say, started accepting it pretty quickly as well.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Well it worked out for her career wise. That's why.
Remember when I freeze the chef and he's about to
eat something Asian that wasn't finished, which, by the way,
no one told me that that would be my hand
movement for eight years when I was grabbing for that,
no one told me until, like I think it was
(30:07):
Jim Conway said in like the next episode, No, that's
your thing, that's what you do, And I was like forever,
like I didn't know, like I would have planned more carefully.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, that was that was a thing of like how
we used our powers. Yes, remember they had me squinting
at first.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, and you weren't down with it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It was like, guys, I'm gonna have so many wrinkles
around my eyes like this is not good, and because
I had to exaggerate it so that the audience could
actually see it.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I mean obviously as I watched the show, I'll figure
out which episode I finally got to start using my
hand for the motion.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
But right, that was a big That was a big deal.
Though you had to like get that approved.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It took me a lot. It took a lot of
meetings with Aaron. Your hand with Aaron was kind of
like my hair. It was kind of like your hair,
our wardrobe. We couldn't change things because you know, he
was right in a way his whole idea about us
changing how we looked. He said that an audience really
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needed to connect with us before we changed anything. Unfortunately,
he thought that that meant never changing anything, and I
was definitely not down with that. I was like, no, no, no, no,
I'm going to change my hair up and wear different clothes.
And you eventually had to stand up for yourself too
and be like, no, my hair is not going to
be like this for you know.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
However, any I got to go a phone call at home,
like the batphone rang and said that Aaron Spelling was
on the phone and I thought I was getting fired.
It's such a scary phone call to gain. Yeah, I
thought I was getting fired. But literally he was calling
me about the banks, like the banks need to come back.
And I was like, what, Like, this is a phone
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call about my hair, and he said, yeah, it's your identity,
it's who you are. It's piper Is you have to
have the bangs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You were not thrilled with that.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Never again in my whole life. Actually, we liked the
bank stop it.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I don't know if you remember this moment, but when
we did the scene in the bar where you first
see the cream moved towards your coffee and then bubble
into your coffee, and then the script was that you
had then grabbed Lyssa's drink and downd it. I don't
know if you remember that. You and I. You and
I had a discussion at that moment where I turned,
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I pulled you aside and very quietly said, look, I
don't know if you want to do the drinking thing
based on what people have said about you in the past,
but I would prefer not to do that if that's
okay with you, And you said you agreed with me,
and so we did we did one version with the
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liquor and one without, and in the in the direct
I didn't use the liquor. I didn't use the drink,
but really Violet, they.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Did use it. Yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I remember because I remember being like, Wow, you know,
there's somebody who's actually looking out for me in a
personal way, which was really nice because obviously I hadn't
been looked out for for a really long time. So
you you were conscious of, you know, the backstory of me,
or the backstory that people created for me. Yeah, but
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it was in fact in there, you know, at the
end of the day. I don't maybe because it's so
many years twenty eight years, is that what we all
decided later that it didn't even bother me seeing it
again when I rewatched, I was like, I was like, yeah,
I would probably down a drink, Like if I see
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cream over and go into my thing, that would freak
me out.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Honestly, it's warranted, Yeah, it's warranted.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It was important to me to at least make you
aware of it, and I was I mean not to
sound too paternalistic, but I was trying to protect you
because I love you, you know, and I loved working with you,
and I didn't I didn't want I didn't want any
sort of garbage to be interfering with your performance.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I appreciate that, and I felt it from you when
you said when you took me aside and you were
like with the drinking, it it really I think Holly
has heard it from me a bunch of times. And
I've already told you that you're absolutely one of my
favorite directors I've ever worked with in my entire career
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because thank you. Well, just because you do look out
for people. You don't want people hurt by something that
you're doing as as a character.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
But people tie you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
To your character, and you know, you become your character
to them. So if Prue is, you know, drinking, Shannon
must have a problem with drinking as well. And you know,
as we all know, I'd had so much bad press
and it was, you know, painful, and then it was
almost like I got this restart doing Charmed that was
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really important to me, an important show.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
You know, my best friend was on it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It just I wanted it to go smooth, and yeah,
you did, you did do that. Of course, you know
that's the director's cut, and you know that kind of
had a different a different idea, and I don't think
they saw the core correlation between the two at all.
I think it was you know, just them thinking that,
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you know who wouldn't react like that.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But we were aware of things like that going forward.
We were aware, like I mean, sometimes there's a lot
of perier happening with us because we were aware of
being truly we were aware of being young women and
you know, somewhat role models, and we didn't want to
always be seen drinking. So there is a lot of
perier out there.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Should have had a sponsor, John, That's a testament to
you as as a filmmaker, to the fact that you
thought about that, that you pulled aside and came up
with an alternative solution. Like you know, especially in the
game of TV, it's just kind of a wide medium,
close up, close up, and we're moving on. But the
fact that you kind of approach each scene with and
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that this is what I've experienced working with you throughout
my career. There was always that extra Everything was thought out, thoughtful,
and you really tip time, and you really care about
your actors, and I think that's what separates you, you know,
from most and why we all love you so much
and working with you.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
John will tell you a great story about what must
have been one of my most uncomfortable moments, and he
already knows what it is. I'll give you a hint.
It was definitely the church and coming out of the
church and saying I'm good. Was so hard for me
to be that joyful. Like we all know, I can
cry and get angry and all the things, but to
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be joyful to you know, really sell happiness is hard
for me. For therapists reasons only.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You show so much joy around me though, Oh really, yeah, joy,
I bring it out in her.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
There you go. You should have been there. I bring
it out. It was so tough. It was so tough
for me to do.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Okay, So I remember that Prue found Luigi board put
it on the table. And then and then and you
started trying to break the news to me that Phoebe
was moving back home. And it wasn't like I could
stop it because the house was left to all three
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of us.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
It was willed, it was.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
You all equally own it.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Right, So it's not like I could say no. But
our relationship was so bad in the beginning. But what's
really interesting is that there were these moments.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Because I was like, oh, god, Pru is such a bitch.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I was like, oh, But then there were these moments
that she you know, when she brought her sister the
extra blankets and yes, and you could see like the
softness improved towards her, but it was obviously like built
up resentment over her thinking that Phoebe had a relationship
(38:56):
with her sleazy x Roger, Yes, which is hard, Like
it's hard to think that somebody that you love is
cheating on you with your boyfriend.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I like to remind people all the time that Pru
and Phoebe never got along, but there you balanced it beautifully.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
That's what I love so much about this show is
that dynamics between the sisters. You guys, you have this
obviously there's a history. It's a parent the way you're
talking about her and then the way you guys meet
when she comes back home from New York. But then
you have these tender moments and then I like that,
you know, she's the one who's kind of like we said,
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she's she's leaning full into this new purpose. But you,
you guys, come, you come to it, and you start
to understand your power through her in that kind of
in the at the Pharmacy that's seen in the Pharmacy,
where she's encouraging you to like lean into this and
trust what it really is.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And like lose my temper and see like how my
powers are actually triggered.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Correct, But it really does play well. You guys played
beautifully opposite each other because you feel that it really
did add such a because you guys are all so
specific with your with your characters and your choices. It
really enhances the experience from an audience point of view,
Like I loved you know, I love everything about the Pilot.
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The Pilot is so fantastic and it's one of my
favorite episodes that I've seen today. But it's really the
dynamics because you have that history, you have that underlying thing,
but then you also come together for certain things and
it makes it real because that's what that's what family
relationships are. I love my dad more than anything, and
he drives me. I have never yelled or cried more
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at anyone in my entire life than my father, and
yet he is like and I love him more than
anything else in the world. And that's just kind of
family dynamics, right, And so the fact.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
That's what I try to explain to people all the time,
is the fact that we were so different and we're
so independent. It not just as characters but as people
is what makes it more relatable, not less. The fact
that we do disagree, we do get along, don't get along,
makes it more real, not less. And I know it's
not a popular opinion, but the scene in the drug
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store for me, is where charm came together. That's where
coalesced in that scene as a show for me, as
an episode for me, I don't know. I just that's
that's the scene that's memorable for me, And that's the
scene that really is entertaining to me.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
It was entertaining, and I like at the end you
accept there's an acceptance like how did that feel? And
you kind of like instantly like, oh, that actually kind
of felt good. And so that you watch it wash
over you, you watch you've been like fighting against it,
and then all of a sudden you have this realization
like you know, now obviously like in the coming episodes,
you guys are still going to be fighting against your
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purpose and what this new life looks like but in
that moment you leaned in and fully and like we
see that. We see the shift, and it's awesome for
an audience member.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And you also see the shift and the relationship between
her with Phoebe. You see that, you know, prove's almost
like thankful in a way for Phoebe pushing her.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
And you know what's interesting is.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That that entire the pilot, the first season and everything,
like we all really got along. Yes, incredibly different people,
but everybody got along. So you could feel like that,
you know, last like hug between the three sisters. You
could actually feel like the love between all of us.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
We were striving, yeah, and we were striving towards the
same goal. And because we were all you know, kid actors,
we had something to prove as adults, and it was
you know, sink or swim.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Right, And it was your boyfriend at the time in
the show, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
That was the freaking killer. I know, glad, you have
bad taste. Your picker is broken. Piper's picker is broken.
Piper's picker was broken for a long time, but it
got fixed.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Sure, yes, yeah, you know it's funny. You mentioned you
mentioned the you mentioned the pharmacy. That was the one
scene that I was nervous about, not because of performance,
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but because of the physical effects. I didn't know if
that stuff was going to come off the shelves, and
if it did and it was, the take was no good,
We'd have to reload it. It was going to take hours.
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Do you know how they did it?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Do you remember didn't they have the air puffers behind stuff,
like they.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
They had a combination of air puffers and they had
strength like a no no, no, a board that's kind
of pushed the stuff out. As I remember, there were
guys behind the shelf pushing it out. There was a
combination of yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, but I remember the air blowers that like you
know that like you hit and it's a huge gust
of like wind really quick or air. Yeah, I mean
it was actually again for that time, it was kind
of amazing those special effects people who did all that.
That's unbelievable because yeah, I was like you I wasn't
quite sure it was going to work.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
I was like, you know, John Gray was.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
The effects head of effects and he did a very
good job on me on the pilot, I think. Yeah,
but yeah, that was the that was the but we
got it on the first take. That the wide shot
we got on the first take, as I remember, so.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think so I liked it. I liked getting everything
on the first take.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That was my big thing, Like you know that was
your big thing. Well that's why I got named one
take Doherty.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Yeah, I make.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Carolled that for like ever since Michael landon Days.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Take three goes
a little awry. Take four don't even try it. Oh
nice ry.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Let's say, can we talk about the cat for one second,
because so the cat is in the first scene.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
I totally forgot that we stole the cat.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
We didn't steal it. It found us because we're the
best witches in the world. But the cat was in
the first scene with the witch who's you know, doing
her chance or prayers for protection spelled that didn't do
Jack by yourself when Jeremy stabs her with that knife. Yes, uh,
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and the cat doesn't even help her, which I'm like,
isn't this cat supposed to because protection spell didn't help
her and the cat did jack right right, But he
apparently was not just dating you, but every other witch
that he wanted to kill because they were all like Jeremy.
He was super busy. But then the cat, you know,
(46:16):
found us.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
The one thing I noticed about the cat as well
was tw when he hit the crime scene, he was
holding the cat and he checked out the necklace and
he was like, okay. And then at the very end
of the show, when he says goodbye and blah blah blah,
and the cat walks up and he turns around from
the street about to say something, he clocks the cat
(46:41):
that you guys are holding the cat.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yes, right, because he notices the collar.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
The collar, Yeah, he notices it like before.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
The cat's Honestly, he is far enough away that he
should not have seen that, but he sees that it's
the same cat, correct, right.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
So so at the end of the episode when he
clocks that it maybe go okay for future episodes. Does
that make him a little more suspect of you guys
being No, he.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Already he already knows. In my mind, he already knows.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I don't think he knew at all.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Well, I think he was under I think he saw
that and was like, hey, you know, what's the like
wisest cat here now.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
But I don't think he connected that we were witches.
She's been going to a cult stores. He knew the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, but you know, he's like my ex boyfriend. I
never showed any signs of being a witch. I don't
think he knew yet, John, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
I don't think he knew yet. There's nothing, there's nothing.
There's nothing in the episode that indicates that he's onto you, guys.
I mean, the fact is that he believes there's such
a thing as Wicca and witches, but I don't think
he connects you to that yet.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
You guys, are you're estimating Trudeau's detective skills. Okay, I'm
just going to say.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But in that shot, you isolated him for that to
have that look. Was there a conversation about him knowing
too much or giving away too much or just noting.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I have no memory of that of what we did then.
I was just trying to get through the day. We
were on Carol Avenue and we had to get off
the streets.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Okay, that was let's go. The sun is setting, losing
the daylight.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
The fact that Andy from the outset, like the first
time we meet him at the crime scene, and he
is he is coming from and following a lead from
an occult shop like this, Like this feels very like
his theory about which is and them being real and
existing in San Francisco and kind of tied to a
bunch of similar cases that he's kind of detecting is
(48:58):
evident from the very beginning, right. And so the fact
that the cat immediately, the cat that he saw at
this crime scene is now being held by I think
it was Phoebe is holding the cat before they all
walk inside, like that would be a very strong direct
correlation that these three are there's something going on about this,
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especially because they you know, the caller has the trequetra well.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
I think Connie was probably laying that pipe, you know.
But I don't think there was anything that specifically indicates
to me that he's going light bulb they're witches yet.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I also remember, like in later episodes, he doesn't really
connect the witches thing. So I definitely don't think he
had any indication in the pilot. Holly's got her own theory.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
I think he starts strong in fact on this second
go around because I destroyed Andy.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Oh yeah, I'll get into that.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
I think during the pilot, in the first two episodes,
he's actually very he's on the right path. He's a
good detection. He's a very good, good detective. He's a
very good detective.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
So I really the flounders later, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
I you know, at the beginning he's a very good detective.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I agree, so and at the end of the pilot
he asks brourout and Prue's very much like, my life
is a little complicated right now because obviously she's adjusting,
And honestly, still one of my favorite things is that
ending where Prue goes up the stairs, turns and looks
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at the door and like shuts it with her mind,
because for me, it's when she finally really truly embraces
that she's a witch. And sure later you know she
struggles on and off, but that, like I always get chills,
and yet I smile thinking about that. When I rewatch,
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I was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
What a good ending.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
It wasn't good if it was any of us, right,
but the fact that Prue was so hesitant to accept
her powers and then you realize that she's accepting them,
and you go as an audience member, I imagine that
you say, like, oh my god, now they're really like
the most powerful witches in the world because they've all
accepted things.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
It's a very delicious moment. And I think one of
the things that makes it delicious is that it's silent,
that it's all done on your face, you know, and
didn't don't they didn't they use that shot over and
over in the in the credits.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Or something the credits.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's because it's iconic. I mean,
it's absolutely iconic and everything you said about emotionally the
audience understanding that she now accepts it as absolutely true
and you sold it. I mean it was it was
as I said, it was a delicious moment.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Well you shot it, so you're delicious. Yeahs agree. All right, Well,
I think that's it for the pilot.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
We're going to see you again, because yeah, at least
for the three US at least. I don't know if
I'll bring it back for the others. I'm so mad.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know what
you're talking about. God, I have no recollection of that episode.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Soah, but this was this is fun, Like I love
rewatching and then like seeing you and all of us
having like our opinions about what happened. I think it's
very cool. So thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Thank you for inviting me, and it was a total
pleasure not only to do this but to see all
you guys again because I love you all very very much.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
We'll see you for all the other episodes if you'll
come back.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Thanks. So that's how Shalla weld.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thank you you guys again, and we'll see you for
the next episode.
Hello everyone, and thank you for tuning in to another
episode of the House of Alleywell. I'm Brian Krause, and
I come to you this evening with a heavy heart
to learning the news of Shannon Dougherty's passing just yesterday afternoon.
(00:30):
I know all of us here at the House of halliwell, iHeartMedia,
social media all over the world is shocked, devastated. Too young,
too talented, too loving, too grateful, too early. Shannon will
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dearly be missed, and we are so honored that she
had come on with us, had us along with her
on this new incantation of the House. I highly well.
We were lucky enough to record four episodes in the
(01:15):
last week or so, and Shannon was just so motivated
and determined to help make this show a success and
give all of you more insight into what it was
(01:38):
in the making and the fun and the behind the
scenes of Charmed. And when Shannon wanted to get something done,
she got it done. And that's something I learned a
long time ago watching her on set and work and
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be such a professional and so good at what she did.
She's had her last life long lasting impression on me.
I'm sorry, I'm bumbling a little. I find it hard
(02:23):
to say everything I want to say, so perhaps I'll
leave you off with this. I know how grateful Shannon
was as I was lucky enough to travel with her
to many different places and comic cons and go backstage
and hear from her the things that affected her emotionally joyously.
(02:51):
It gave her so much emotionally meeting the fan and
hearing the stories and knowing how much it meant to
all of you, it filled her greatly. And I know
that she believed in the House of Hallowell to be
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the little bit that she was able to give back,
and so all of us here at the House of Hallewell,
I want to honor that and we are going to
continue on in her name kick freaking ass, because that's
what she would do. And so from us at the
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House of halliwell, I love you, and we thank you,
and please keep sharing it in your prayers and all
our family, and take care of yourself and I hope
you enjoy this next episode as much as I do.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Hi, everyone, Welcome to another episode of House of Hellowell.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Episode one uh formerly knows as a pilot something Wika
this way comes from here to October seventh, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The synopsis to this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The series kicks off with the Hallewell sisters back under
one roof despite some sisterly druma. Meanwhile, a killer is
on the loose in San Francisco and Prue's ex boyfriend,
Inspector Andy, is on the case. Phoebe finds the Book
of Shadows in the attic, and all three sisters suddenly
have magical powers. When Piper's boyfriend ends up being a
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warlock in disguise, the sisters come to terms with the
fact that life will never be the same.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Holly, I'm going to turn this over to you because
you guys are the pros that know how to do
a rewatch of a rewatch of a rewatch. I've never
done this before.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Well did you enjoy it the rewatch? Yeah? I did?
You did? Did you watch everything like I did? Like
I know we got dailies. I watched every second of
Daily's do you mean when we were filming the show.
I don't remember if you watched them or not.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Like occasionally, but really only the episodes I directed.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So I watched Daily's every second of them, and then
I would watch every episode once only, so everybody else
in the world is clearly very ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't like watching dailies because I feel that when
I watch dailies, I become very conscious of certain things
that I do, and I think, as you do, it's
not good for you, like I think it restricts you
in a lot of ways. I watched the very first
day of dailies just to see if the lighting was
(05:39):
good and then if we all looked good. Yeah, but
then past that, I just didn't want to restrict myself
by being too self conscious.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Right, Yeah, you would pick up your quirks, your habits
that you would do over and over again. Yes, I
do remember. Yeah, Hi, John Holly, mister Kretschmer, He's like,
you know you are Charmed OJI director of the day.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Thank you. I am very proud to say that I
directed more Charm than any other single director.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
How many episodes did you direct?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Seventeen?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
On the seventeen they were all when I was on
Or did you cheat on me?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
John, he did, well, yes I did.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But I did do three with you, Shanny, so that
counts for something.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, my god, you only did three with me, and
is seventeen? What is happening. You made a big vision.
You were one of my favorite directors. You cheated on me.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So sweet, You're so sweet. Let's let's change the subject
for Oh.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
He's getting uncomfortable already, Hot seat John, That's what this
time around.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
It's a brand new house. It's a totally different five,
totally different five here, hot seat House of Valiwell, so, but.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You directed most important, you directed the pilot, which really
set the tone for the show.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Well, it's a little more complicated than that, Shannon. There
was a present I was asked to direct the twenty
minute presentation, and I was unavailable because I was working
as a producer director on another show, which was a
mistake because I should have done the charming presentation. But nonetheless,
Bruce Seth Green came in into the twenty minutes and
(07:33):
then they replaced the third sister when I was hired
to do to do the entire episode, so I reshot
everything with the exception of Holly's confrontation in the elevator
with Jeremy.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So, pilot basically, yes, I'm that complicated. Yes, you directed
the pilot. Yeah, I never watched because I don't watch
anything that I'm on The only episodes I watched were
the ones I directed, and I watched it in the
editing room as we were editing. So for me to
(08:11):
do this rewatch and actually have to rewatch it, I
got to be honest with you. I was like, really
really impressed by the pilot. I was, and maybe I
was looking at it with a director's eye, but right probably, Yeah.
I was blown away by the lighting. I was blown
(08:33):
away by the shots, the movement of the camera, the direction.
How you know, you really felt the sisters like bond
in their relationship, and I was just like, I mean
I spoke to Holly about it and I was like,
oh my god, Like that pilot was so good. So
kudos to you, man, because you did an amazing job.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Thank you well. You know, as I've told you privately,
it was a very easy job to do because you
guys were so fantastic and Brian, I wish I could
include you, but you weren't in the episode, or Drew,
but you came. When you guys came in, same thing happened.
I mean, it was just it was always a pleasure
(09:19):
to come to the show because everyone was so professional,
so prepared. There were never any contentious fights. There were
creative discussions, but we never we never seemed to We
always seemed to be on the same page.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
And the thing, the thing that I appreciated with you
and Holly was that you guys were so well prepared
that when we shot a scene, we shot it very
quickly because there wasn't a lot that I didn't There
was no need to tweak the performances. You guys were
just dialed into these characters from the get go. So
(09:56):
if the pilot is successful, I have to say that
eighty percent of that has to do with you guys
and not me, And with with the script too, which
which afforded me a lot of opportunities, And with Tommy
del Ruth, who was the cameraman who did a wonderful
job and came up with some wonderful ideas. And you know,
you have to mention Dean Mitzner, who is the production
designer who built that wonderful interior set and.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It is gorgeous that set.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah, And then and then we also have I also
have to do a tip of the hat to Steve Labet,
who was the visual effects guy. I think you know,
you look at you look at this pilot, which was
twenty eight years ago, I think, and it's not up
to the snuff of what we can do today. But
I have to say the visual effects are pretty darn
good for what for that period, and they hold up
(10:43):
pretty well. And I don't know, Holly, and and and
and uh jan and if you remember, as the year progressed,
getting the visual effects became easier. We didn't have to freeze,
we didn't have to bring in the blue screen. It
became a much quicker process. But that that first episode
required a lot of technical work to get it to work,
(11:05):
you know, especially where Holly, where you froze people. That
was very hard.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It was awkward.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
But thank you, Jen and I you know, I watched
it yesterday and I thought, nah, it holds up pretty well,
you know, And I.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Think I think it's a testament really well.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I think it's a testament to everyone involved in the
show that this many years later, it is still an
incredibly popular show on streaming services. I mean, it's amazing
that it is constantly running to this day.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But I did notice in the pilot what really stood
out to me. One of the things was the relationship
and the acting between tw Ted King and Dorian.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, like it was. They were so good.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Together and right off the bat, and I didn't really
remember or like that chemistry, and so when I watched it,
I think that a lot of that is from direction.
It's obviously from the two of them as well. But
for you to not take credit for that, like you're
super humble and that's lovely, but you I wasn't there
(12:18):
for their scenes, right, But whatever you did, whatever that
connection was that you captured between the two of them,
they were really really good.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
That was my favorite line I think in the whole
pilot when he was like, Dorian goes she didn't direct Jack,
and I was like, I'm laughing, oh, by myself. They
were so good.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
It's very sweet of you to say that, Shannon, But
I'll be completely honest with you, that was all them.
I really I don't. I don't remember going in there
and having to do much work those scenes. They were
very enthusiastic, but those were some of the first things
we filmed, as I remember. If I'm not yeah, I
think so.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Which on the pilot really had a feeling of I
thought I was watching a movie, like a feature film.
It had a feeling of like an eighties family thriller,
horror thriller, excitement, and which was very unusual for television
at that time.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
They were so separate.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So when you were booked to do the pilot and
you come brought on, how much were you able to share, like,
this is what I want to do with it, and
brought in the cinematic view and the way you added
shots and all of that.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I don't remember any tonal or stylistic discussions with Duke
or with Connie or with Brad specifically. I think Jim
Conway had who was familiar with my work, was comfortable
(13:58):
bringing me in knowing, I guess, knowing what I was
going to do with it. The one thing that we
I did have an argument with Aaron about was I
didn't want to do a lot of establishing shots. If
you guys remember spelling shows were famous for a shot
of a hospital with a sign and then zooming in yes,
(14:21):
and I just I did not want to do that,
and I, you know, Brad, to his credit, went to Duke,
and Duke went to Aaron and said, you know, we've
got to update the look of these shows. And so
for the most part, we were able to eliminate all
the establishing shots or as many as we could.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah, as many as we could.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But other than that, I mean it was part of
the reason there was so much movement is that Tommy,
having done ER, was very familiar with doing long steady
cam shots and and yeah, complicated things. And Holly, if
you remember in the next episode, there's that really amazing
(15:02):
STEADI caam shot in the bar with you and Alyssa.
It's a different show, but that was Tommy. He was
he was very adept at you know. I would say
can we do this, and he'd say, no problem, and
we did it, you know, so that he made it
very easy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, our crew was amazing, and as the camera department
was like phenomenal. I just I never I never felt
like they were intrusive. They didn't. It wasn't like they're
constantly in your eyeline or and they were really really good,
Like we didn't have to do a lot of takes.
They nailed it on the first try every single time.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And I do remember that it was.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Kind of experimental, I guess you could say, because Tommy
did come from Er and there were those long steady
cam shots and then we started going into like handheld
and and I loved that because that was my personal style.
So it was it was extremely exciting. It was it
was hard too, It was hard, but it was exciting.
(16:10):
It was you could feel how good the show was
going to be. It was bizarre. It was like you
were excited because you were like, oh, this is really
good and our crew is really good, and our director
is really good, and all the actors are really good,
so you were able to be like, there's no way
the show isn't getting picked up.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I felt like I was treading water the whole time, Like,
you know, I was over exerting all of my efforts,
like I was just trying so hard, which I think
is reflected in Piper. Yes, the hyper Piper walk, just in.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
The way she walks.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
And you know, it wasn't until that we went into
Less Sheldon's trailer and I saw the trailer that I
saw the credits and what we heard the music that
I felt like, oh, maybe this is actually something that's
going to be Like I got chills. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, you said in the second in the second episode,
you were in the makeup trailer when I think, I
don't know how you got the information, but you basically
said we're hit, you know, and it was like everyone
sort of relaxed, you know, was very listen. I have
to say we had more fun doing that pilot than
(17:27):
than than than I can imagine being on any other show.
I mean, I just remember it being a lot of fun. Shannon,
You and I would joke around. There was one time
when you took a polar and of me holding a
martini glass and a cigarette. Do you remember that, you
know which is which? I don't. I don't partake in either,
But you then put it up on the on the monitor,
(17:49):
you know, is this is our leader kind of thing.
But it was just like that. We just we had fun,
We were relaxed. It was you know, we had confidence
in the material, and I had confidence in you guys
and then the crew. So it was just smooth sailing.
I don't remember any moment of there being difficulty or attention.
Maybe that's just yeah, I just maybe that's just history
(18:11):
putting a gloss on it.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
But no, we had nothing to lose. We had nothing
to lose in everything to prove, and so yeah, it
was you know, they're going to give us these toys
in this project, and we're going to see if it floats.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Basically, how many days did you guys have to shoot
that pilot?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Seven days?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It was, yeah, it was seventh because we weren't We
didn't get to start doing eight days until later on,
so it was seven day.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
He tried to let get us to do it in
seven in the beginning, but the special effects and then
add stunts to that and make up forget it, it
was not possible.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, but that was after the pilot that that it
was like decided so in the pilot, I mean really,
for you to shoot that pilot with all of the
special effects and everything in seven days, that's pretty that's
pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
That's insane because usually they give pilots like double like
a pilot's fourteen days or eighteen days, like to really
kind of get Actually.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The presentation was, yeah, you got to remember, we had
the presentation that we had already shot.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
The show was a go, so we had to get
you know, we had to keep doing episodes. Normally, when
you do a pilot and you have ten days to
do it, they then put it together and then they
have to sell it. The show had been sold.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Right, so okay, So and did it feel different for you?
Girls being from the presentation to them the first episode,
did it feel drastically different outside of the recasting.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I don't think it felt drastically different, but it definitely
felt different.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I will say that Lorii Wrong, who played Phoebe in
the beginning was or for the presentation, was really great.
She was a great actress. And you know, Laurie and
Alyssa are very, very very different people. So Laurie's performance
was different than Alyssa's was a lot like Holly and
(20:02):
I in the sense of very grounded in drama, and
that's you know it was. The presentation was much more
serious and it was way darker, which was my style, right,
So I loved the presentation. I thought, like everybody was great,
but when Alyssa came in, you know, it provided like
(20:23):
a levity that I think the show ended up needing.
And and she came in and she did a great job,
and yeah, just brought like a slightly different flavor to
the show. And to be honest, like when I when
I watched it, it was like, God, you know, they
accept that their witches so easily, Like especially Phoebe, She's like, oh,
(20:47):
I'm a witch. I'm like who thinks that like that?
Like that part sort of threw me off.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
It was a little rush, and I was like, it could.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Never have worked with Laurie because she was so grounded
and so serious that it would have felt fake. But
with Melissa, you were like, plus she believes she's a
witch immediately.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, I totally played her personality that bubbly, kind of
like trying to figure like, oh, now there's purpose, like
they right, she's.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Searching for her purpose anyway, it gives it to.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Her exactly, and so I think that was really well played,
but was from the one more question about that was
the presentation, like the verbatim. Basically it was the same
exact script and same shot essentially the same kind of
shots or whatever, and then you just.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It well, I mean from my perspective, it was only
twenty minutes. It wasn't a full episode, right, Yeah, there
were scenes that weren't included. Okay, but Bruce and I
have have similar styles, and so I would I would
sometimes use hit what he had shot as a template
for what I wanted to do, but I did tweak
(21:55):
things to accommodate my own personal aesthetic sense.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Right, because pilots sign please sorry, sorry, go ahead, No, no,
I was just going to say, like a pilot director
really is responsible for establishing ultimately the look and feel
of a show, right, and so the fact that you
were tasked with that and kind of everything that happened
one hundred and seventy plus episodes was really established and
started with you and your kind of vision with Tom
(22:21):
to to kind of set the tone in the mood
right away, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
You know, and watching it. There were only three things
that dated the show, and I've mentioned this before. One
was Holly in a phone booth, which just you know,
I don't I think that there are people in this
world who don't even know what a phone booth is anymore.
When when TW says or when when Shannon accuses TW
(22:51):
of checking checking, you know, checking about her past, it's like, well, now,
this was an innocent time before social media, so it
was much more difficult. And the third was is he
hands you his card as opposed to just saying here's
my number, which you know shows the the the use
of the huge use of cell phone since.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Then I hand people in my card all the time.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Also, you robbed a cell phone, you had a cell
phone that was a big like character had a cell
phone web thing within the second episode. I mean maybe
you answered in the the elevator.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah, the the the iPhone had not yet come out.
They were still using flips flip at this point.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yes, what's a flip crazy flip?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I love my flip phone, fiberry buttons, of course, my
favorite was a BlackBerry.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
There were buns.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
You still want pay phones, be honest, But I.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Think I think the show, I think the show you know,
holds up pretty well stylistically and and artistically. It doesn't.
It's not it's not dated like some shows could be.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I think that's I think.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's why it keeps going. I mean, it keeps going
because the fans connected to it so much, but also
because it still feels pretty relevant even today, maybe even
more so today. So I think that that's, you know,
why it continues to stream everywhere. I think it's why
the fans are still so dedicated and watch it over
(24:35):
and over and over and over again. I like I said,
I didn't find anything that was at a place or
that was dated. When I rewatched it, I was I
was pleasantly shocked and and was and was like, oh hey,
we we all did a really good job. Like I've
been pat with myself on the back, which I never do.
(24:57):
I'm always so critical of myself. But I was, hey,
you really brought crude of life, and I was, yeah,
for sure, but like, oh my god, her boyfriend, her
ex boyfriend, Roger so true, so.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Deep Roger, question, did you.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Question that I worked for? I worked with who I
just totally took like my ideas and credit for my work.
And he was just the actor obviously was really good
because the character was sleazy and.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
He came across so sleezy, and I know he wasn't.
He was actually a really nice guy. But oh, like
I'm still creeped out by it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'm like, and then to see Prue and Andy's like,
we actually had really good chemistry as well?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You did? It was it was Yeah, everybody wonders what
happened to that relationship? What did happen in that relationship?
I can tell you.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
I can tell you I have a detailed breakdown of
what happened to that relationship. Flag with red flag, counter
red flag. I have a lot of red flags on
mister Andy.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, sir, really, so Prue is not like me, because
Prue is better about catching red flags, whereas I run
towards them.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Right, Prue didn't catch any of these red flags? Really well,
then why did they break up?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yes? She did.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
She called red flags. That's why they broke up.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Took a while.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Took a while. Okay, listen, I'm probably not the best
person to break down this relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I know you're not true.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
I'm sorry, John. How difficult I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I know things have changed now, CGI and the whole
day there was a lot of lightning and you had
massive rain in this episode which culminated with the soundtrack
which came behind you, which I thought the music in
the soundtrack in this episode was fantastic and fits so
well and helped push the story. How difficult was it
(27:09):
filming backed in so practically and then matching up that
soundtrack where you were you involved in the that end
of the show as well in the edit and pushing
the sound of the show.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I don't think I couldn't participate in the in the
final mix because I was shooting the next episode, So
you have to you have to give the post production
people credit for that. I don't remember there being sound
issues from the rain that was created on stage, because
(27:47):
that's usually fairly well controlled with horsehair and troughs and
things like that, and lightning is very easy, easily done
back in those days, which and didn't make much noise,
so I don't I don't recall there being issues with
dialogue and soundtrack personally, but it was.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Used really craftly and with the music. That's what kind
of got me into some of it, which I didn't
notice the first time, is how much it was used
to kind of propel some of the emotions of the story,
and the way you placed it was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Well that's that's the post production people. I again, I
couldn't participate in the spotting of the music or discussions
with the composer unforcedly because as an itinerant television director
always working on something else, and I was literally filming
the next episode or editing the next episode, so I
didn't have a You know, you have to give that
(28:47):
credit to Connie and Brad and everyone in post production.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, sorry, but thank you for I can't take credit
for it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
So when did the girls like first discover Like when
was it? Because I was always amazed that they accepted
that they as I said before, that they were witches
right away so just like recapping the actual episode, I
know that you know, they find the Book of Shadows,
they have the Ouiji board, and the Wigi board starts
(29:24):
doing its thing on its own, but still to accept
it so easily and holly, like your character then starts
like I think Prue was the one who was so doubtful,
but even your character, you know, the sort of pragmatic one,
I would say, started accepting it pretty quickly as well.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Well it worked out for her career wise. That's why.
Remember when I freeze the chef and he's about to
eat something Asian that wasn't finished, which, by the way,
no one told me that that would be my hand
movement for eight years when I was grabbing for that,
no one told me until, like I think it was
(30:07):
Jim Conway said in like the next episode, No, that's
your thing, that's what you do, And I was like forever,
like I didn't know, like I would have planned more carefully.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, that was that was a thing of like how
we used our powers. Yes, remember they had me squinting
at first.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, and you weren't down with it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It was like, guys, I'm gonna have so many wrinkles
around my eyes like this is not good, and because
I had to exaggerate it so that the audience could
actually see it.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I mean obviously as I watched the show, I'll figure
out which episode I finally got to start using my
hand for the motion.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
But right, that was a big That was a big deal.
Though you had to like get that approved.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It took me a lot. It took a lot of
meetings with Aaron. Your hand with Aaron was kind of
like my hair. It was kind of like your hair,
our wardrobe. We couldn't change things because you know, he
was right in a way his whole idea about us
changing how we looked. He said that an audience really
(31:14):
needed to connect with us before we changed anything. Unfortunately,
he thought that that meant never changing anything, and I
was definitely not down with that. I was like, no, no, no, no,
I'm going to change my hair up and wear different clothes.
And you eventually had to stand up for yourself too
and be like, no, my hair is not going to
be like this for you know.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
However, any I got to go a phone call at home,
like the batphone rang and said that Aaron Spelling was
on the phone and I thought I was getting fired.
It's such a scary phone call to gain. Yeah, I
thought I was getting fired. But literally he was calling
me about the banks, like the banks need to come back.
And I was like, what, Like, this is a phone
(31:56):
call about my hair, and he said, yeah, it's your identity,
it's who you are. It's piper Is you have to
have the bangs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You were not thrilled with that.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Never again in my whole life. Actually, we liked the
bank stop it.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I don't know if you remember this moment, but when
we did the scene in the bar where you first
see the cream moved towards your coffee and then bubble
into your coffee, and then the script was that you
had then grabbed Lyssa's drink and downd it. I don't
know if you remember that. You and I. You and
I had a discussion at that moment where I turned,
(32:35):
I pulled you aside and very quietly said, look, I
don't know if you want to do the drinking thing
based on what people have said about you in the past,
but I would prefer not to do that if that's
okay with you, And you said you agreed with me,
and so we did we did one version with the
(32:57):
liquor and one without, and in the in the direct
I didn't use the liquor. I didn't use the drink,
but really Violet, they.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Did use it. Yeah, I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I remember because I remember being like, Wow, you know,
there's somebody who's actually looking out for me in a
personal way, which was really nice because obviously I hadn't
been looked out for for a really long time. So
you you were conscious of, you know, the backstory of me,
or the backstory that people created for me. Yeah, but
(33:35):
it was in fact in there, you know, at the
end of the day. I don't maybe because it's so
many years twenty eight years, is that what we all
decided later that it didn't even bother me seeing it
again when I rewatched, I was like, I was like, yeah,
I would probably down a drink, Like if I see
(33:59):
cream over and go into my thing, that would freak
me out.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Honestly, it's warranted, Yeah, it's warranted.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It was important to me to at least make you
aware of it, and I was I mean not to
sound too paternalistic, but I was trying to protect you
because I love you, you know, and I loved working with you,
and I didn't I didn't want I didn't want any
sort of garbage to be interfering with your performance.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I appreciate that, and I felt it from you when
you said when you took me aside and you were
like with the drinking, it it really I think Holly
has heard it from me a bunch of times. And
I've already told you that you're absolutely one of my
favorite directors I've ever worked with in my entire career
(34:50):
because thank you. Well, just because you do look out
for people. You don't want people hurt by something that
you're doing as as a character.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
But people tie you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
To your character, and you know, you become your character
to them. So if Prue is, you know, drinking, Shannon
must have a problem with drinking as well. And you know,
as we all know, I'd had so much bad press
and it was, you know, painful, and then it was
almost like I got this restart doing Charmed that was
(35:24):
really important to me, an important show.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
You know, my best friend was on it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It just I wanted it to go smooth, and yeah,
you did, you did do that. Of course, you know
that's the director's cut, and you know that kind of
had a different a different idea, and I don't think
they saw the core correlation between the two at all.
I think it was you know, just them thinking that,
(35:51):
you know who wouldn't react like that.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But we were aware of things like that going forward.
We were aware, like I mean, sometimes there's a lot
of perier happening with us because we were aware of
being truly we were aware of being young women and
you know, somewhat role models, and we didn't want to
always be seen drinking. So there is a lot of
perier out there.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Should have had a sponsor, John, That's a testament to
you as as a filmmaker, to the fact that you
thought about that, that you pulled aside and came up
with an alternative solution. Like you know, especially in the
game of TV, it's just kind of a wide medium,
close up, close up, and we're moving on. But the
fact that you kind of approach each scene with and
(36:37):
that this is what I've experienced working with you throughout
my career. There was always that extra Everything was thought out, thoughtful,
and you really tip time, and you really care about
your actors, and I think that's what separates you, you know,
from most and why we all love you so much
and working with you.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
John will tell you a great story about what must
have been one of my most uncomfortable moments, and he
already knows what it is. I'll give you a hint.
It was definitely the church and coming out of the
church and saying I'm good. Was so hard for me
to be that joyful. Like we all know, I can
cry and get angry and all the things, but to
(37:19):
be joyful to you know, really sell happiness is hard
for me. For therapists reasons only.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
It's one of my favorite moments.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You show so much joy around me though, Oh really, yeah, joy,
I bring it out in her.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
There you go. You should have been there. I bring
it out. It was so tough. It was so tough
for me to do.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Okay, So I remember that Prue found Luigi board put
it on the table. And then and then and you
started trying to break the news to me that Phoebe
was moving back home. And it wasn't like I could
stop it because the house was left to all three
(38:13):
of us.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
It was willed, it was.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
You all equally own it.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Right, So it's not like I could say no. But
our relationship was so bad in the beginning. But what's
really interesting is that there were these moments.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Because I was like, oh, god, Pru is such a bitch.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I was like, oh, But then there were these moments
that she you know, when she brought her sister the
extra blankets and yes, and you could see like the
softness improved towards her, but it was obviously like built
up resentment over her thinking that Phoebe had a relationship
(38:56):
with her sleazy x Roger, Yes, which is hard, Like
it's hard to think that somebody that you love is
cheating on you with your boyfriend.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I like to remind people all the time that Pru
and Phoebe never got along, but there you balanced it beautifully.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
That's what I love so much about this show is
that dynamics between the sisters. You guys, you have this
obviously there's a history. It's a parent the way you're
talking about her and then the way you guys meet
when she comes back home from New York. But then
you have these tender moments and then I like that,
you know, she's the one who's kind of like we said,
(39:36):
she's she's leaning full into this new purpose. But you,
you guys, come, you come to it, and you start
to understand your power through her in that kind of
in the at the Pharmacy that's seen in the Pharmacy,
where she's encouraging you to like lean into this and
trust what it really is.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And like lose my temper and see like how my
powers are actually triggered.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
Correct, But it really does play well. You guys played
beautifully opposite each other because you feel that it really
did add such a because you guys are all so
specific with your with your characters and your choices. It
really enhances the experience from an audience point of view,
Like I loved you know, I love everything about the Pilot.
(40:21):
The Pilot is so fantastic and it's one of my
favorite episodes that I've seen today. But it's really the
dynamics because you have that history, you have that underlying thing,
but then you also come together for certain things and
it makes it real because that's what that's what family
relationships are. I love my dad more than anything, and
he drives me. I have never yelled or cried more
(40:43):
at anyone in my entire life than my father, and
yet he is like and I love him more than
anything else in the world. And that's just kind of
family dynamics, right, And so the fact.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
That's what I try to explain to people all the time,
is the fact that we were so different and we're
so independent. It not just as characters but as people
is what makes it more relatable, not less. The fact
that we do disagree, we do get along, don't get along,
makes it more real, not less. And I know it's
not a popular opinion, but the scene in the drug
(41:16):
store for me, is where charm came together. That's where
coalesced in that scene as a show for me, as
an episode for me, I don't know. I just that's
that's the scene that's memorable for me, And that's the
scene that really is entertaining to me.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
It was entertaining, and I like at the end you
accept there's an acceptance like how did that feel? And
you kind of like instantly like, oh, that actually kind
of felt good. And so that you watch it wash
over you, you watch you've been like fighting against it,
and then all of a sudden you have this realization
like you know, now obviously like in the coming episodes,
you guys are still going to be fighting against your
(41:56):
purpose and what this new life looks like but in
that moment you leaned in and fully and like we
see that. We see the shift, and it's awesome for
an audience member.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And you also see the shift and the relationship between
her with Phoebe. You see that, you know, prove's almost
like thankful in a way for Phoebe pushing her.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
And you know what's interesting is.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That that entire the pilot, the first season and everything,
like we all really got along. Yes, incredibly different people,
but everybody got along. So you could feel like that,
you know, last like hug between the three sisters. You
could actually feel like the love between all of us.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
We were striving, yeah, and we were striving towards the
same goal. And because we were all you know, kid actors,
we had something to prove as adults, and it was
you know, sink or swim.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Right, And it was your boyfriend at the time in
the show, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
That was the freaking killer. I know, glad, you have
bad taste. Your picker is broken. Piper's picker is broken.
Piper's picker was broken for a long time, but it
got fixed.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Sure, yes, yeah, you know it's funny. You mentioned you
mentioned the you mentioned the pharmacy. That was the one
scene that I was nervous about, not because of performance,
(43:38):
but because of the physical effects. I didn't know if
that stuff was going to come off the shelves, and
if it did and it was, the take was no good,
We'd have to reload it. It was going to take hours.
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Do you know how they did it?
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Do you remember didn't they have the air puffers behind stuff,
like they.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
They had a combination of air puffers and they had
strength like a no no, no, a board that's kind
of pushed the stuff out. As I remember, there were
guys behind the shelf pushing it out. There was a
combination of yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, but I remember the air blowers that like you
know that like you hit and it's a huge gust
of like wind really quick or air. Yeah, I mean
it was actually again for that time, it was kind
of amazing those special effects people who did all that.
That's unbelievable because yeah, I was like you I wasn't
quite sure it was going to work.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
I was like, you know, John Gray was.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
The effects head of effects and he did a very
good job on me on the pilot, I think. Yeah,
but yeah, that was the that was the but we
got it on the first take. That the wide shot
we got on the first take, as I remember, so.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think so I liked it. I liked getting everything
on the first take.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
All the time.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That was my big thing, Like you know that was
your big thing. Well that's why I got named one
take Doherty.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Yeah, I make.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Carolled that for like ever since Michael landon Days.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah, I'm always better on take two. Take three goes
a little awry. Take four don't even try it. Oh
nice ry.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Let's say, can we talk about the cat for one second,
because so the cat is in the first scene.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
I totally forgot that we stole the cat.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
We didn't steal it. It found us because we're the
best witches in the world. But the cat was in
the first scene with the witch who's you know, doing
her chance or prayers for protection spelled that didn't do
Jack by yourself when Jeremy stabs her with that knife. Yes, uh,
(45:52):
and the cat doesn't even help her, which I'm like,
isn't this cat supposed to because protection spell didn't help
her and the cat did jack right right, But he
apparently was not just dating you, but every other witch
that he wanted to kill because they were all like Jeremy.
He was super busy. But then the cat, you know,
(46:16):
found us.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
The one thing I noticed about the cat as well
was tw when he hit the crime scene, he was
holding the cat and he checked out the necklace and
he was like, okay. And then at the very end
of the show, when he says goodbye and blah blah blah,
and the cat walks up and he turns around from
the street about to say something, he clocks the cat
(46:41):
that you guys are holding the cat.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yes, right, because he notices the collar.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
The collar, Yeah, he notices it like before.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
The cat's Honestly, he is far enough away that he
should not have seen that, but he sees that it's
the same cat, correct, right.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
So so at the end of the episode when he
clocks that it maybe go okay for future episodes. Does
that make him a little more suspect of you guys
being No, he.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Already he already knows. In my mind, he already knows.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I don't think he knew at all.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Well, I think he was under I think he saw
that and was like, hey, you know, what's the like
wisest cat here now.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
But I don't think he connected that we were witches.
She's been going to a cult stores. He knew the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, but you know, he's like my ex boyfriend. I
never showed any signs of being a witch. I don't
think he knew yet, John, what do you think.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
I don't think he knew yet. There's nothing, there's nothing.
There's nothing in the episode that indicates that he's onto you, guys.
I mean, the fact is that he believes there's such
a thing as Wicca and witches, but I don't think
he connects you to that yet.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
You guys, are you're estimating Trudeau's detective skills. Okay, I'm
just going to say.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But in that shot, you isolated him for that to
have that look. Was there a conversation about him knowing
too much or giving away too much or just noting.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
I have no memory of that of what we did then.
I was just trying to get through the day. We
were on Carol Avenue and we had to get off
the streets.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Okay, that was let's go. The sun is setting, losing
the daylight.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
The fact that Andy from the outset, like the first
time we meet him at the crime scene, and he
is he is coming from and following a lead from
an occult shop like this, Like this feels very like
his theory about which is and them being real and
existing in San Francisco and kind of tied to a
bunch of similar cases that he's kind of detecting is
(48:58):
evident from the very beginning, right. And so the fact
that the cat immediately, the cat that he saw at
this crime scene is now being held by I think
it was Phoebe is holding the cat before they all
walk inside, like that would be a very strong direct
correlation that these three are there's something going on about this,
(49:20):
especially because they you know, the caller has the trequetra well.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
I think Connie was probably laying that pipe, you know.
But I don't think there was anything that specifically indicates
to me that he's going light bulb they're witches yet.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I also remember, like in later episodes, he doesn't really
connect the witches thing. So I definitely don't think he
had any indication in the pilot. Holly's got her own theory.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
I think he starts strong in fact on this second
go around because I destroyed Andy.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Oh yeah, I'll get into that.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
I think during the pilot, in the first two episodes,
he's actually very he's on the right path. He's a
good detection. He's a very good, good detective. He's a
very good detective.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
So I really the flounders later, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
I you know, at the beginning he's a very good detective.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I agree, so and at the end of the pilot
he asks brourout and Prue's very much like, my life
is a little complicated right now because obviously she's adjusting,
And honestly, still one of my favorite things is that
ending where Prue goes up the stairs, turns and looks
(50:39):
at the door and like shuts it with her mind,
because for me, it's when she finally really truly embraces
that she's a witch. And sure later you know she
struggles on and off, but that, like I always get chills,
and yet I smile thinking about that. When I rewatch,
(51:01):
I was like, oh.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
What a good ending.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
It wasn't good if it was any of us, right,
but the fact that Prue was so hesitant to accept
her powers and then you realize that she's accepting them,
and you go as an audience member, I imagine that
you say, like, oh my god, now they're really like
the most powerful witches in the world because they've all
accepted things.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
It's a very delicious moment. And I think one of
the things that makes it delicious is that it's silent,
that it's all done on your face, you know, and
didn't don't they didn't they use that shot over and
over in the in the credits.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Or something the credits.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's because it's iconic. I mean,
it's absolutely iconic and everything you said about emotionally the
audience understanding that she now accepts it as absolutely true
and you sold it. I mean it was it was
as I said, it was a delicious moment.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Well you shot it, so you're delicious. Yeahs agree. All right, Well,
I think that's it for the pilot.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
We're going to see you again, because yeah, at least
for the three US at least. I don't know if
I'll bring it back for the others. I'm so mad.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know what
you're talking about. God, I have no recollection of that episode.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Soah, but this was this is fun, Like I love
rewatching and then like seeing you and all of us
having like our opinions about what happened. I think it's
very cool. So thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Thank you for inviting me, and it was a total
pleasure not only to do this but to see all
you guys again because I love you all very very much.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
We'll see you for all the other episodes if you'll
come back.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
Thanks. So that's how Shalla weld.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thank you you guys again, and we'll see you for
the next episode.
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Shannen Doherty
Brooke Fox
Drew Fuller
Holly Marie Combs
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