March 25, 2024 • 27 mins
In this episode, Karol interviews Comfortably Smug, co-host of the Ruthless Podcast. They discuss the early days of Twitter, the changing atmosphere on the platform, and the joy of podcasting and building friendships. They also talk about the feeling of success and recognition, the changing landscape of New York City, and America's biggest societal and cultural problems. They touch on the need to overcome divisive ideologies and the shift in public opinion on various issues. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the importance of surrounding yourself with good people and attracting better people into your circle. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I've been thinking about that interview that I did with
Tim Carney from a few days ago. If you haven't
picked up his book Family Unfriendly, you really should. And
if you haven't listened to the interview, I also highly
recommend that. I'm on the New York Times email list,
and they sent out a podcast episode recently with this
(00:28):
tease quote. Ultimately, as Ezra and his guests discuss, the
problem may not be the fertility rate itself. Rather, we've
created a problem of stifled desire. American families want more
children than they end up having. Perhaps we've become pro
child but anti children. Parents devote so much time and
energy to optimizing a single child's life that the effort
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feels difficult to replicate. Until policy and parenting culture become
more forgiving, families may continue to shrink, whether people want
them to or not. I have this joke that when
someone says, society says, or culture tells us to.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They just me and their mom.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So, you know, Tim and I talked about this in
the interview, and the truth is that the easier way
to have a lot of kids is to let go
a little bit? Does culture force us to be helicopter parents?
I live in that same culture, and I don't feel
that pressure. I was a latchkey kid and I had
my brother five years younger than me to contend with. Also,
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he was always under my care after school. So maybe
I just don't have my mom in my ear pressuring
me to do more or to oversee more because she didn't.
The New York Times email also faces an important point
quote fertility rates are falling, in some cases below replacement levels,
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even in countries like Sweden and Japan that have invested
far more in family support policies than the United States has.
What's behind this? Cross cultural client in births? Can generous
work family policies enable people to feel like they can
realistically have larger families?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
End quote?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It turns out it's not government support that leads to
more kids. I love pointing out that birth rates in
Spain actually declined when men got more generous paternity leave.
They saw how.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Hard it was and were like, no more of this.
So how do we.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Get parents to relax in their parenting and allow themselves
to let go a little? How do we get them
to understand that our kids will not be perfect. We
shouldn't even be striving for perfection.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We should just want.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Happy children who become functioning adults. Tim on the show
said that he wants his kids to have what their
family has now, happiness, love, togetherness. This isn't that hard,
and I feel the same way. If my kids get
what we have right now as a family, I will
consider that a huge success. If you haven't read the
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book Free Range Kids, How Parents and tea teachers Can
Let Go and Let Grow by Lenora Skenazi. She's the
founder of the Free Range Kids movement. She let her
nine year old take the New York City subway and
it was a huge deal and talked about in a
lot of different places. I highly recommend that book. One
of her famous lines is quote, we have to learn
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to remind the other parents who think we're being careless
when we loosen our grip, that we are actually trying
to teach our children how to get along in the world,
and that we believe this is our job. A child
who can fend for himself is a lot safer than
the one forever coddled, because the coddle child will not
have mom or dad around all the time, even though
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they act as if he will. If you're not having
kids because you need everything to be perfect and your
kids to be perfect and your parenting to be perfect,
you're quite literally doing it wrong. Let go you and
your children will absolutely be better for it. Coming up next,
an interview with internet legend Comfortably Smug or Smuggy for short,
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as I like to call him. Join us after the break.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome back to the Carol and Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Comfortably Smug, co host of Ruthless podcast.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Hi Smug, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Thank you so much for coming on. I feel like,
you know, you're such a big celebrity now, it's like
hard to get in touch with you, hard to get
on you know you on the show.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But likewise, likewise, I'm happy to see the show doing
so well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Thank you. So. I've known you a long time since
really the early days of Twitter, when you are sort
of one of the few people really having fun on
the platform, and I think that's, you know, still kind
of a mis miserable place to be, but you're still
kind of enjoying yourself. Do you still think it's fun?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I will say that it was a completely different vibe
like in the early days, like us are our circle
friends that we used to have in yeah, the city,
we would have like a ninety percent chance of if
you met someone from Twitter that they're like a normal,
well adjusted person. And now like Elon Tweiteter the other day,
it's like PvP, like it's a it's a battle arena
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now essentially, so it has changed in that aspect.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But at least we had the early days, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mean they were pretty good. I don't know, you still
have your minions, you know when I am out there
in the world. I sometimes you and I have this
running joke where we call each other libs. I mean
you are a lib but whatever. But you know, all
have people, you know, Matt Matthew Foley, but other people
also be like, you know, smug is really not a lib.
I don't know why you call him that. Wonderful one
(05:38):
of our jokes, you know, Yeah, they really love you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That's the outside is I think. You know, Twitter actually
is a great place to build a community, and you
meet lots of wonderful folks, like minded folks, folks that
you have something different with. But if you use it
for that purpose as like a community and and and
folks who are actually positive when they engage with each other.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's the best use for it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And you know, I think a lot of people see
it as just like a toxic place to look for trouble,
and that's a shame. But I really appreciate being able
to build such community on there.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, so your podcast Ruthless is huge. I was at
a you know, a few years ago, at a I
don't know, I think he was ten years old, the
kids birthday party, and he found out that I know you,
and it became like the biggest celebrity in the whole
wide world. And you called him. Shout out to Lewis.
But I just feel like it's everywhere and you guys
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are interviewing everyone, and you really do seem like you're
having a good time. What would you be doing if
you weren't doing this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Boy, I would number one. I probably wouldn't have to
spend so much time in Washington, DC. That's probably the
most positive thing, right, I would say, you know, I honestly,
I probably wouldn't be as happy the group that we
have here on Ruthless. Ashbrook Duncan Holmes you know, we're
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not just co host and business partners are really good friends,
and you know, you can kind of get that off
of listening to the show where it feels more like
hanging out with your friends than you know, hearing a
lecture or something like that. And for us, like, yeah,
it's it's a business, but at the same time, it's
like at least two days a week we get to
hang out, shoot the breeze, have a great time, and
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I think it's good to have that, Like, you know,
especially when we started during COVID, everyone was like shut in.
It was a lot of isolation, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We would hang out over Zoom and like bet on
horse races and drink bourbon once a week.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're like, you know, this would actually make a pretty
good show, and it ended up doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We On our show, we always say there's two types
of folks. There's you know, the sunshine warriors, the folks
who like reflecting on their winds, the happy warrior type,
and then there's kind of like the agony of defeat
kind of person, kind of like Michael Jordan, where they're
always driven by our I'm bring their failures. So you know,
I'm always grateful for all the good stuff that happens,
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but I don't feel like I've really made it yet more.
The more things I focus on is things I can
get better at and just keep marching up that hill.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Do you get recognized a lot?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know, It's funny when I wear these shades, which is,
you know, to hide my identity. So I go to
a grocery store and not worry about, uh, you know,
a protester coming after me or something. But when I
wear the shades, I get recognized. So you know, if
I'm traveling or something and I'm in the airport and
I'll wear my shades, especially like you know, DCA or
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something like that, uh, you know, folks will pull me over.
And I'm always happy, you know, to meet listeners. Right.
And the funniest thing though, was I was traveling with
family in Nashville and I was I was meeting them there.
I got to the hotel first, so I go to
the hotel bar, grabbing a drink.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I start talking to the bartender.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wait with or without your shades, without my shades, without
your shades.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And this is before we even started video and I
had two folks at the bar say, excuse me, have
you heard of the Roofless podcast?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Just heal the voice talking. So it's wild. You know,
it's a small world. I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah. Do you like it? Like, do you like being recognized?
I feel like it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So, uh, if they're listeners, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So if it's like, oh, you know that you're an
authoritarian or something like that, you know, then less right, Yeah,
that's that's less and you know, honestly, that doesn't happen
very often at all. I guess unfortunate in the sense
that anytime I am recognized, you know, typically it is
a lister h and I'm always always happy and thrilled
to meet with them.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's that's a really nice Like I feel like you,
you your perception of you on Twitter is not this like,
you know, nice squishy guy who like would be so
you know, sweet to people. I mean, I I know
you like that, but I feel like you're Twitter.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Don't tell anyone otherwise, Oh, I tell.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Everybody You're horrible, But every we know, we know the truth,
you know, So why are you going to give your
mom grandchildren? You goddamn millennial.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, that's the thing I'm actually I'm working on that.
That's actually on the to do list. I'm not the
you know, legions of folks who are worried about climate
change and so they're not going to have kids. Definitely
a firm believer in having kids, and I always love
giving parenting advice. I was fortunate to have good parents,
so I'm always happy to part that even before I
myself i am a parent.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So do you live in the DC area? Are you
open about where you are?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sure? I live in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I also keep a place in d C because I
have to record the show a couple of days a week.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But the less I'm in d C, the better, honestly,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You and I used to live, both of us in
Park Slope, Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Do you I missed the Park Slope we lived in.
I would say COVID really changed New York City. All
my favorite my favorite pizza restaurant, favorite tire restaurant, my
favorite Chinese restaurant, my favorite bar.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Is all permanently closed.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And now it's like, you know, Park Slope was always
this kind of charming place. Families would move there. It
was very safe and even park Slopes changed. It's not
like it used to be. All all those bodegas where
you'd go for like a nice bacon, egg and cheese
have turned into like it's a wat shop. Like every
boading is now a weed shop. So it always fell
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was like weed wherever you are in the city. Yeah,
there's homeless, there's time. It's a shameless COVID. But I
love park Slove.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
When we were there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I did too, but it became like this really angry place.
I think during COVID, the people calling the police on
their neighbors when they had too many people in the backyard.
I think that that kind of thing is really hard
for me to unsee. I don't know. I avoid it
when I'm in the city now, you know, I go
visit friends or whatever. But park Slope makes me feel
like angry about what happened to New York and yeah,
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like I was in Manhattan yesterday and yeah, the whole
place smells like Weed's tons of problems. But I don't
think it makes me feel as bad as.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Park Slope does. I mean it, it was like a paradise.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
You had the park, you had families with strollers, you
always felt safe, and now that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's real shame.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What would you say is our country's biggest societal or
cultural problem?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Boy, honestly, I kind of want to group it all
into kind of like the DEI thing, where essentially this
is supposed to be kind of making a bit more
harmonious for all the races, whether white people, black people,
Latin up people, But this system has actually been itself.
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It's a racist system. It's it's more of trying to
pit people against each other. And you know, you could
have someone, you should have someone who has it's never
done anything wrong, but being judged by their skin color,
which is I mean, it's like the opposite of you know,
Martin Luther King said, judge by the content of your character,
and now it's like, no, we will judge an individual
whether their contribution to the workplace or you know, whether
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they're they're a colonist or an oppressor, based on their
skin color, which is just it's absolute madness. It's it's
really sad, and it's antithical to what this country was
built upon. I will say it kind of feels good
seeing that kind of falling apart. It's unfortunate it took
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something like the attack on Israel last October. But then
you saw in campuses. You know, so many people, especially
on the left, were shocked to see that. You know,
campuses are tearing down photos of family, kids, women who
have been kidnapped. But this has been this kind of
hate has been breeding on college campuses and among the
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left for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
This all based on this made up idea of a
group of people are oppressors and a group of people
are oppressed, and I think seeing that shocked a lot
of people and woke them up. We saw, you know,
for example, like president of Harvard step down. You had
universities which had been allowing this kind of stuff that
are being called out, especially and it's said that had
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to take major university donors to be like, ah, if
you're going to allow this kind of hate on campus,
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
And so universities, out of that, you know, self interest,
had to start listening to this message.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But also elon buying Twitter. You know, by and large.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
People are now free to express their opinion that hey,
this is extremely hurtful. You know, you don't want to
raised kids in environment where you say okay, let's separate
everyone by skin color. You're good, you're evil, You're good,
you're evil. Right, So that ideology, tell me, is the
biggest problem society has in America right now. But I'm
hopeful that it can continue to We can we can
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peel away and get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, you sound optimistic that we can come out on
the other side of it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean, there has not been any problem in America
has ever faced that we've not been able to overcome.
And it's because you know, we are a free nation.
We work together. We overcome problems, World War two, putting
a man on the moon. There's really nothing America can
accomplish when we work together. And so, you know, an
ideology that's based on essentially dividing and conquering, no country
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has been able to do that to America. I think
the only country that could bring America down is America.
And I'm optimistic. I think, you know, so many folks
are starting to realize what a harmful system this is,
and it tries to essentially make people hate their own neighbors.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I think, like you.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Said, COVID really exacerbated that when you had folks isolated
for so long, you know, they become more detached from
their neighbors, and you know, we're all.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Americans here, we should be working together.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And I think a lot of folks are really getting
fed up with that, and I'm really hoping that we
can keep shipping away in it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I love your optimism, and you're just you know, pro americanists.
I you know, I'm obviously the same, but I'm kind
of mixed, and I don't know that I'm as optimistic
as you, only because I got thrown out of a
mother's against anti Semitism group because I wrote about them.
And one of the things was that a lot of
these liberal Jews are saying, like, if we could just
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get into the DEI system, like not get rid of it.
They understand that they're not part of it and they're
not included, but they're like, if we could just figure
out a way to get add into it. And that's
my concern is that people will kind of decide that,
like how do I get in, how does my group
fit into the system, and we just work within the
system instead of trying to overthrow it. You know. I
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like the idea that people are having their eyes open.
I just hope that we're not too far on this
road of victimhood where people can't toss off these shackles
and realize what the better path is instead of trying
to get themselves included in the in the system that
you know really largely makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, and I mean I think I think that's been
a big problem for I'll say this country, like we
have an ongoing joke on the show, I say, the
most dangerous terror group in America is the liberal suburban
white woman who you know, just to be liked at
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the book club and on Facebook that you want to
support any nutjob left wing movement that's going on, whether
it's you know, the gender identity thing among kids or
whether it's DEI.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
That's been a severe problem.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And you know, there was an example over the past
week of it was that disturbed member of the military
who killed themselves suicide of buy themselves up fire, saying
for for free Palestine and part of the intersectional you know,
pressure press movement thing. And then the discussion online along
his own, like the groups, the Marxist groups that he
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was part of, is we can't say rest in power
for him because he was a white person, right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean, it was amazing how so good.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Insane a system is that?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So, you know when you bring this idea of you know,
you have folks who are trying to become part of
this movement, even though that movement hates them.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You know, they just need to get their eyes open.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So where does Marapa go from here? Where do you think,
like what needs to happen in order for us to
get on a better path.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It feels like the fever is starting to break in
my opinion, not just among folks who started seeing DEI
being it's a problems so divisive, but also I think
these far left policies in general, whether it's crime is legalized,
you know, seeing criminals themselves is the un oppressed group.
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I think a lot of Americans are getting fed up
with that idea. I saw a lot of stuff in Austin, Texas.
They're having a vote on I think it's their district
attorney and the current one who is.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Elected has based has said multiple.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Times that even criminals who commit sexual assault, well they're
victims of their circumstance.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Right, He's not talking about the victims of sexual assault.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
He's talking about the actual perpetrators are victims, and even
among Democrats because it's a blue city, he's facing.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
A challenge now in a primary.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I think folks are getting fed up with this left
wing ideology, whether it's THEI, whether it's on crime, and
even on illegal immigration. Now, you know, your Governor Ron
de Santis, also the governor Florida Abbot Texas, but they've
been dealing with an illegal immigration problem, a surge since
Biden got elected, and for so long they were told
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just like, you know, shut up, keep your mouth shut,
you deal with it. It's your problem. You know, America,
we do not believe an individual is illegal, right, And
it's easy to say when you're in Martha's Vineyard or
in New York City. And now times have changed because
you know, once Governor Abbott and Governor DeSantis started Sandy
illegal immigrants saying that hey, okay, if you're a sanctuary,
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you can welcome these. Now the opinion has really changed,
and you're seeing it in not just like pull numbers
for Biden, but just I think a lot of folks
are figuring out that, Okay, I want to have a
good life for myself, for my kids, for my family.
That includes very basic things like safety and hoping that
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they're not the first generation that has it worse off
than me. And they're seeing that these policies that they've
been subjected to by the left have made that almost
imports So I've started seeing, you know, the cracks starting
to form, and I'm really helpeful that we can just
i mean, for the good of the country, we could
get rid of all this toxicity.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Would you ever run for office?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Absolutely not, never ever?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So good well, I mean it's it's partly because it's
a shame with become of the political system where your
opponent essentially says you're evil if you disagree with them, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But you'd relish that, you'd be like, I'm evil.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And also, you know, I still think there's a place
for especially in politics.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So we need real public servants, We need serious people.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We need fewer people who are famous for social media
and more people who are famous for having built a
reputation is helping Americans and being fully committed and experienced
in bringing about positive changes in their cammunity. You know,
the crop of candidates that we're seeing on on the
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Republican side it's really good in terms of your seeing
business people.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You're seeing people.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Have serious philanthropic histories getting involved to become public servants,
and you're seeing less of like, Okay, this person's got
a lot of followers on TikTok, maybe we should run them, right,
I sadly, I could serve myself more of the latter
and more of a social media kind.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Of Yeah, I don't know, vote for Smug. I feel
like I'm gonna start writing you in any election where
I don't feel like I could vote friend of the candidates,
although I live in Florida now, so that really doesn't happen,
you know, to New York. In New York, I would
write in candidates all the time because often there'd be
no Republican there's song. Yeah, but so you know, maybe
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I missed the writing and smug window. But you know,
I don't know. I don't know that necessarily having a
lot of followers are being big on social media is
a negative. I think that that means you're speaking to
a lot of different people. I don't think it's real life.
Like I think that there's a lot of people who
aren't on social media. They don't know, you know, what
goes on in our world. But I think that there
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is a correlation between you know, picking up a lot
of a lot of followers on social media and potentially,
you know, being able to speak to larger audiences outside
of it. I don't know. I don't think you should
write off running for office that quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I mean, I'll tell you what, I'll give you some thought.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, good? So I love talking to you. And
here with your best tip for my listeners on how
they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
A boy, the best thing you can do to improve
your life is surround yourself with good people. This is
this is far easier said than done, and also not
as easy as it may sound. I had an uncle
who gave me this incredible piece of advice where he said,
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the real friends around you are the folks who tell
you no, not to do something. They're not the folks
who say, yeah, why not, you know, give it a shot. So,
especially when you're younger, poor decisions can be made if
you're surrounded by folks who don't care and just let's
roll the dice and see what happens with your life,
as opposed to folks who are there telling you I
don't think that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So it can be.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Especially when you're younger and more challenging, and like, oh,
I want more of an enabler than another mom or
a parent telling me you know what to do, not
to do bad things. But beyond that, even you know
as an adult, as you grow older, as you grow
your career, who you surround yourself with is going to
have the greatest impact on where you go in life.
If you're surrounded by people who are positive, focused on improving,
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people who are who are trying to acomplish things instead
of just like drift or are almost indifferent or just negative.
I think that like a doomer kind of mindset of like,
oh well, nothing's going to get better. If you're surrounded
by people who are focused on I want to get better,
I want to get smarter, I want to accomplish things.
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It rubs off on you and just building a network
of folks like that will lift you up yourself and
then you can also contribute. It's like a positive feedback loop.
And to me, like, I'm very fortunate. Ruthless is a
perfect example. Ashbrook, Duncan Holmes. They're each like subject matter
experts in their fields, and they're incredibly hard working individuals.
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We make a terrific team and just being around them
makes me want to work harder and be better. And
I'm incredibly fortunate to have that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So actually, my last last question will be a side
question to that is how do you attract people like that?
How do you how do you attract better people to
yourself to kind of make your circle stronger and make
yourself smarter and better and all of those things. Because
we talk a lot of on the show about making friends,
a lot of people have moved in the last few years.
How do you do it?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So this could be a challenge because I know, luckily
I'm an extrovert. There can be some introverted folks and
that's more difficult to you know, put yourself out there.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
But that's the thing is, you know, what's the upside?
What's the downside? If you meet up with a bunch
of folks, If there's an event happening and you go
and you introduce yourself to a group, what's the downside?
They'll say hi, and then you'll never speak to them again.
That's that's that's the worst thing that can possibly happen.
What's the upside? You make some friends, you find people
(26:47):
to hang out with, to learn things from you just
having the It takes an ounce of courage to go
out there, put yourself out and meet people, and the
payoff is tremendous. I mean, everyone has something special about
them that they can share with others, that will amaze
other people, that will attract other people. It's finding that
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putting yourself out there with that talent and the rest
takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
He is comfortably smug listening to him at the Ruthless Podcast.
Thank you so much for coming on love seeing you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thanks so much, Carol, thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
I've been thinking about that interview that I did with
Tim Carney from a few days ago. If you haven't
picked up his book Family Unfriendly, you really should. And
if you haven't listened to the interview, I also highly
recommend that. I'm on the New York Times email list,
and they sent out a podcast episode recently with this
(00:28):
tease quote. Ultimately, as Ezra and his guests discuss, the
problem may not be the fertility rate itself. Rather, we've
created a problem of stifled desire. American families want more
children than they end up having. Perhaps we've become pro
child but anti children. Parents devote so much time and
energy to optimizing a single child's life that the effort
(00:51):
feels difficult to replicate. Until policy and parenting culture become
more forgiving, families may continue to shrink, whether people want
them to or not. I have this joke that when
someone says, society says, or culture tells us to.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They just me and their mom.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So, you know, Tim and I talked about this in
the interview, and the truth is that the easier way
to have a lot of kids is to let go
a little bit? Does culture force us to be helicopter parents?
I live in that same culture, and I don't feel
that pressure. I was a latchkey kid and I had
my brother five years younger than me to contend with. Also,
(01:30):
he was always under my care after school. So maybe
I just don't have my mom in my ear pressuring
me to do more or to oversee more because she didn't.
The New York Times email also faces an important point
quote fertility rates are falling, in some cases below replacement levels,
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even in countries like Sweden and Japan that have invested
far more in family support policies than the United States has.
What's behind this? Cross cultural client in births? Can generous
work family policies enable people to feel like they can
realistically have larger families?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
End quote?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It turns out it's not government support that leads to
more kids. I love pointing out that birth rates in
Spain actually declined when men got more generous paternity leave.
They saw how.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Hard it was and were like, no more of this.
So how do we.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Get parents to relax in their parenting and allow themselves
to let go a little? How do we get them
to understand that our kids will not be perfect. We
shouldn't even be striving for perfection.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We should just want.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Happy children who become functioning adults. Tim on the show
said that he wants his kids to have what their
family has now, happiness, love, togetherness. This isn't that hard,
and I feel the same way. If my kids get
what we have right now as a family, I will
consider that a huge success. If you haven't read the
(02:57):
book Free Range Kids, How Parents and tea teachers Can
Let Go and Let Grow by Lenora Skenazi. She's the
founder of the Free Range Kids movement. She let her
nine year old take the New York City subway and
it was a huge deal and talked about in a
lot of different places. I highly recommend that book. One
of her famous lines is quote, we have to learn
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to remind the other parents who think we're being careless
when we loosen our grip, that we are actually trying
to teach our children how to get along in the world,
and that we believe this is our job. A child
who can fend for himself is a lot safer than
the one forever coddled, because the coddle child will not
have mom or dad around all the time, even though
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they act as if he will. If you're not having
kids because you need everything to be perfect and your
kids to be perfect and your parenting to be perfect,
you're quite literally doing it wrong. Let go you and
your children will absolutely be better for it. Coming up next,
an interview with internet legend Comfortably Smug or Smuggy for short,
(04:03):
as I like to call him. Join us after the break.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome back to the Carol and Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Comfortably Smug, co host of Ruthless podcast.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Hi Smug, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Thank you so much for coming on. I feel like,
you know, you're such a big celebrity now, it's like
hard to get in touch with you, hard to get
on you know you on the show.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But likewise, likewise, I'm happy to see the show doing
so well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Thank you. So. I've known you a long time since
really the early days of Twitter, when you are sort
of one of the few people really having fun on
the platform, and I think that's, you know, still kind
of a mis miserable place to be, but you're still
kind of enjoying yourself. Do you still think it's fun?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I will say that it was a completely different vibe
like in the early days, like us are our circle
friends that we used to have in yeah, the city,
we would have like a ninety percent chance of if
you met someone from Twitter that they're like a normal,
well adjusted person. And now like Elon Tweiteter the other day,
it's like PvP, like it's a it's a battle arena
(05:10):
now essentially, so it has changed in that aspect.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But at least we had the early days, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mean they were pretty good. I don't know, you still
have your minions, you know when I am out there
in the world. I sometimes you and I have this
running joke where we call each other libs. I mean
you are a lib but whatever. But you know, all
have people, you know, Matt Matthew Foley, but other people
also be like, you know, smug is really not a lib.
I don't know why you call him that. Wonderful one
(05:38):
of our jokes, you know, Yeah, they really love you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That's the outside is I think. You know, Twitter actually
is a great place to build a community, and you
meet lots of wonderful folks, like minded folks, folks that
you have something different with. But if you use it
for that purpose as like a community and and and
folks who are actually positive when they engage with each other.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That's the best use for it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And you know, I think a lot of people see
it as just like a toxic place to look for trouble,
and that's a shame. But I really appreciate being able
to build such community on there.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, so your podcast Ruthless is huge. I was at
a you know, a few years ago, at a I
don't know, I think he was ten years old, the
kids birthday party, and he found out that I know you,
and it became like the biggest celebrity in the whole
wide world. And you called him. Shout out to Lewis.
But I just feel like it's everywhere and you guys
(06:31):
are interviewing everyone, and you really do seem like you're
having a good time. What would you be doing if
you weren't doing this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Boy, I would number one. I probably wouldn't have to
spend so much time in Washington, DC. That's probably the
most positive thing, right, I would say, you know, I honestly,
I probably wouldn't be as happy the group that we
have here on Ruthless. Ashbrook Duncan Holmes you know, we're
(06:58):
not just co host and business partners are really good friends,
and you know, you can kind of get that off
of listening to the show where it feels more like
hanging out with your friends than you know, hearing a
lecture or something like that. And for us, like, yeah,
it's it's a business, but at the same time, it's
like at least two days a week we get to
hang out, shoot the breeze, have a great time, and
(07:19):
I think it's good to have that, Like, you know,
especially when we started during COVID, everyone was like shut in.
It was a lot of isolation, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We would hang out over Zoom and like bet on
horse races and drink bourbon once a week.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're like, you know, this would actually make a pretty
good show, and it ended up doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Not yet?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We On our show, we always say there's two types
of folks. There's you know, the sunshine warriors, the folks
who like reflecting on their winds, the happy warrior type,
and then there's kind of like the agony of defeat
kind of person, kind of like Michael Jordan, where they're
always driven by our I'm bring their failures. So you know,
I'm always grateful for all the good stuff that happens,
(08:06):
but I don't feel like I've really made it yet more.
The more things I focus on is things I can
get better at and just keep marching up that hill.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Do you get recognized a lot?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know, It's funny when I wear these shades, which is,
you know, to hide my identity. So I go to
a grocery store and not worry about, uh, you know,
a protester coming after me or something. But when I
wear the shades, I get recognized. So you know, if
I'm traveling or something and I'm in the airport and
I'll wear my shades, especially like you know, DCA or
(08:40):
something like that, uh, you know, folks will pull me over.
And I'm always happy, you know, to meet listeners. Right.
And the funniest thing though, was I was traveling with
family in Nashville and I was I was meeting them there.
I got to the hotel first, so I go to
the hotel bar, grabbing a drink.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I start talking to the bartender.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wait with or without your shades, without my shades, without
your shades.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And this is before we even started video and I
had two folks at the bar say, excuse me, have
you heard of the Roofless podcast?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Just heal the voice talking. So it's wild. You know,
it's a small world. I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah. Do you like it? Like, do you like being recognized?
I feel like it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So, uh, if they're listeners, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So if it's like, oh, you know that you're an
authoritarian or something like that, you know, then less right, Yeah,
that's that's less and you know, honestly, that doesn't happen
very often at all. I guess unfortunate in the sense
that anytime I am recognized, you know, typically it is
a lister h and I'm always always happy and thrilled
to meet with them.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's that's a really nice Like I feel like you,
you your perception of you on Twitter is not this like,
you know, nice squishy guy who like would be so
you know, sweet to people. I mean, I I know
you like that, but I feel like you're Twitter.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Don't tell anyone otherwise, Oh, I tell.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Everybody You're horrible, But every we know, we know the truth,
you know, So why are you going to give your
mom grandchildren? You goddamn millennial.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, that's the thing I'm actually I'm working on that.
That's actually on the to do list. I'm not the
you know, legions of folks who are worried about climate
change and so they're not going to have kids. Definitely
a firm believer in having kids, and I always love
giving parenting advice. I was fortunate to have good parents,
so I'm always happy to part that even before I
myself i am a parent.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So do you live in the DC area? Are you
open about where you are?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sure? I live in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I also keep a place in d C because I
have to record the show a couple of days a week.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But the less I'm in d C, the better, honestly,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You and I used to live, both of us in
Park Slope, Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Do you I missed the Park Slope we lived in.
I would say COVID really changed New York City. All
my favorite my favorite pizza restaurant, favorite tire restaurant, my
favorite Chinese restaurant, my favorite bar.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Is all permanently closed.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And now it's like, you know, Park Slope was always
this kind of charming place. Families would move there. It
was very safe and even park Slopes changed. It's not
like it used to be. All all those bodegas where
you'd go for like a nice bacon, egg and cheese
have turned into like it's a wat shop. Like every
boading is now a weed shop. So it always fell
(11:36):
was like weed wherever you are in the city. Yeah,
there's homeless, there's time. It's a shameless COVID. But I
love park Slove.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
When we were there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I did too, but it became like this really angry place.
I think during COVID, the people calling the police on
their neighbors when they had too many people in the backyard.
I think that that kind of thing is really hard
for me to unsee. I don't know. I avoid it
when I'm in the city now, you know, I go
visit friends or whatever. But park Slope makes me feel
like angry about what happened to New York and yeah,
(12:07):
like I was in Manhattan yesterday and yeah, the whole
place smells like Weed's tons of problems. But I don't
think it makes me feel as bad as.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Park Slope does. I mean it, it was like a paradise.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
You had the park, you had families with strollers, you
always felt safe, and now that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
It's real shame.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What would you say is our country's biggest societal or
cultural problem?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Boy, honestly, I kind of want to group it all
into kind of like the DEI thing, where essentially this
is supposed to be kind of making a bit more
harmonious for all the races, whether white people, black people,
Latin up people, But this system has actually been itself.
(12:52):
It's a racist system. It's it's more of trying to
pit people against each other. And you know, you could
have someone, you should have someone who has it's never
done anything wrong, but being judged by their skin color,
which is I mean, it's like the opposite of you know,
Martin Luther King said, judge by the content of your character,
and now it's like, no, we will judge an individual
whether their contribution to the workplace or you know, whether
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they're they're a colonist or an oppressor, based on their
skin color, which is just it's absolute madness. It's it's
really sad, and it's antithical to what this country was
built upon. I will say it kind of feels good
seeing that kind of falling apart. It's unfortunate it took
(13:37):
something like the attack on Israel last October. But then
you saw in campuses. You know, so many people, especially
on the left, were shocked to see that. You know,
campuses are tearing down photos of family, kids, women who
have been kidnapped. But this has been this kind of
hate has been breeding on college campuses and among the
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left for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
This all based on this made up idea of a
group of people are oppressors and a group of people
are oppressed, and I think seeing that shocked a lot
of people and woke them up. We saw, you know,
for example, like president of Harvard step down. You had
universities which had been allowing this kind of stuff that
are being called out, especially and it's said that had
(14:23):
to take major university donors to be like, ah, if
you're going to allow this kind of hate on campus,
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
And so universities, out of that, you know, self interest,
had to start listening to this message.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But also elon buying Twitter. You know, by and large.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
People are now free to express their opinion that hey,
this is extremely hurtful. You know, you don't want to
raised kids in environment where you say okay, let's separate
everyone by skin color. You're good, you're evil, You're good,
you're evil. Right, So that ideology, tell me, is the
biggest problem society has in America right now. But I'm
hopeful that it can continue to We can we can
(15:02):
peel away and get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, you sound optimistic that we can come out on
the other side of it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean, there has not been any problem in America
has ever faced that we've not been able to overcome.
And it's because you know, we are a free nation.
We work together. We overcome problems, World War two, putting
a man on the moon. There's really nothing America can
accomplish when we work together. And so, you know, an
ideology that's based on essentially dividing and conquering, no country
(15:34):
has been able to do that to America. I think
the only country that could bring America down is America.
And I'm optimistic. I think, you know, so many folks
are starting to realize what a harmful system this is,
and it tries to essentially make people hate their own neighbors.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I think, like you.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Said, COVID really exacerbated that when you had folks isolated
for so long, you know, they become more detached from
their neighbors, and you know, we're all.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Americans here, we should be working together.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
And I think a lot of folks are really getting
fed up with that, and I'm really hoping that we
can keep shipping away in it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I love your optimism, and you're just you know, pro americanists.
I you know, I'm obviously the same, but I'm kind
of mixed, and I don't know that I'm as optimistic
as you, only because I got thrown out of a
mother's against anti Semitism group because I wrote about them.
And one of the things was that a lot of
these liberal Jews are saying, like, if we could just
(16:33):
get into the DEI system, like not get rid of it.
They understand that they're not part of it and they're
not included, but they're like, if we could just figure
out a way to get add into it. And that's
my concern is that people will kind of decide that,
like how do I get in, how does my group
fit into the system, and we just work within the
system instead of trying to overthrow it. You know. I
(16:55):
like the idea that people are having their eyes open.
I just hope that we're not too far on this
road of victimhood where people can't toss off these shackles
and realize what the better path is instead of trying
to get themselves included in the in the system that
you know really largely makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, and I mean I think I think that's been
a big problem for I'll say this country, like we
have an ongoing joke on the show, I say, the
most dangerous terror group in America is the liberal suburban
white woman who you know, just to be liked at
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the book club and on Facebook that you want to
support any nutjob left wing movement that's going on, whether
it's you know, the gender identity thing among kids or
whether it's DEI.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
That's been a severe problem.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And you know, there was an example over the past
week of it was that disturbed member of the military
who killed themselves suicide of buy themselves up fire, saying
for for free Palestine and part of the intersectional you know,
pressure press movement thing. And then the discussion online along
his own, like the groups, the Marxist groups that he
(18:15):
was part of, is we can't say rest in power
for him because he was a white person, right.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean, it was amazing how so good.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Insane a system is that?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So, you know when you bring this idea of you know,
you have folks who are trying to become part of
this movement, even though that movement hates them.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You know, they just need to get their eyes open.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So where does Marapa go from here? Where do you think,
like what needs to happen in order for us to
get on a better path.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It feels like the fever is starting to break in
my opinion, not just among folks who started seeing DEI
being it's a problems so divisive, but also I think
these far left policies in general, whether it's crime is legalized,
you know, seeing criminals themselves is the un oppressed group.
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I think a lot of Americans are getting fed up
with that idea. I saw a lot of stuff in Austin, Texas.
They're having a vote on I think it's their district
attorney and the current one who is.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Elected has based has said multiple.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Times that even criminals who commit sexual assault, well they're
victims of their circumstance.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Right, He's not talking about the victims of sexual assault.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
He's talking about the actual perpetrators are victims, and even
among Democrats because it's a blue city, he's facing.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
A challenge now in a primary.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I think folks are getting fed up with this left
wing ideology, whether it's THEI, whether it's on crime, and
even on illegal immigration. Now, you know, your Governor Ron
de Santis, also the governor Florida Abbot Texas, but they've
been dealing with an illegal immigration problem, a surge since
Biden got elected, and for so long they were told
(20:09):
just like, you know, shut up, keep your mouth shut,
you deal with it. It's your problem. You know, America,
we do not believe an individual is illegal, right, And
it's easy to say when you're in Martha's Vineyard or
in New York City. And now times have changed because
you know, once Governor Abbott and Governor DeSantis started Sandy
illegal immigrants saying that hey, okay, if you're a sanctuary,
(20:31):
you can welcome these. Now the opinion has really changed,
and you're seeing it in not just like pull numbers
for Biden, but just I think a lot of folks
are figuring out that, Okay, I want to have a
good life for myself, for my kids, for my family.
That includes very basic things like safety and hoping that
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they're not the first generation that has it worse off
than me. And they're seeing that these policies that they've
been subjected to by the left have made that almost
imports So I've started seeing, you know, the cracks starting
to form, and I'm really helpeful that we can just
i mean, for the good of the country, we could
get rid of all this toxicity.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Would you ever run for office?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Absolutely not, never ever?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So good well, I mean it's it's partly because it's
a shame with become of the political system where your
opponent essentially says you're evil if you disagree with them, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
But you'd relish that, you'd be like, I'm evil.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
And also, you know, I still think there's a place
for especially in politics.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So we need real public servants, We need serious people.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We need fewer people who are famous for social media
and more people who are famous for having built a
reputation is helping Americans and being fully committed and experienced
in bringing about positive changes in their cammunity. You know,
the crop of candidates that we're seeing on on the
(22:05):
Republican side it's really good in terms of your seeing
business people.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
You're seeing people.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Have serious philanthropic histories getting involved to become public servants,
and you're seeing less of like, Okay, this person's got
a lot of followers on TikTok, maybe we should run them, right,
I sadly, I could serve myself more of the latter
and more of a social media kind.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Of Yeah, I don't know, vote for Smug. I feel
like I'm gonna start writing you in any election where
I don't feel like I could vote friend of the candidates,
although I live in Florida now, so that really doesn't happen,
you know, to New York. In New York, I would
write in candidates all the time because often there'd be
no Republican there's song. Yeah, but so you know, maybe
(22:53):
I missed the writing and smug window. But you know,
I don't know. I don't know that necessarily having a
lot of followers are being big on social media is
a negative. I think that that means you're speaking to
a lot of different people. I don't think it's real life.
Like I think that there's a lot of people who
aren't on social media. They don't know, you know, what
goes on in our world. But I think that there
(23:15):
is a correlation between you know, picking up a lot
of a lot of followers on social media and potentially,
you know, being able to speak to larger audiences outside
of it. I don't know. I don't think you should
write off running for office that quickly.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I mean, I'll tell you what, I'll give you some thought.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, good? So I love talking to you. And
here with your best tip for my listeners on how
they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
A boy, the best thing you can do to improve
your life is surround yourself with good people. This is
this is far easier said than done, and also not
as easy as it may sound. I had an uncle
who gave me this incredible piece of advice where he said,
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the real friends around you are the folks who tell
you no, not to do something. They're not the folks
who say, yeah, why not, you know, give it a shot. So,
especially when you're younger, poor decisions can be made if
you're surrounded by folks who don't care and just let's
roll the dice and see what happens with your life,
as opposed to folks who are there telling you I
don't think that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So it can be.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Especially when you're younger and more challenging, and like, oh,
I want more of an enabler than another mom or
a parent telling me you know what to do, not
to do bad things. But beyond that, even you know
as an adult, as you grow older, as you grow
your career, who you surround yourself with is going to
have the greatest impact on where you go in life.
If you're surrounded by people who are positive, focused on improving,
(24:57):
people who are who are trying to acomplish things instead
of just like drift or are almost indifferent or just negative.
I think that like a doomer kind of mindset of like,
oh well, nothing's going to get better. If you're surrounded
by people who are focused on I want to get better,
I want to get smarter, I want to accomplish things.
(25:19):
It rubs off on you and just building a network
of folks like that will lift you up yourself and
then you can also contribute. It's like a positive feedback loop.
And to me, like, I'm very fortunate. Ruthless is a
perfect example. Ashbrook, Duncan Holmes. They're each like subject matter
experts in their fields, and they're incredibly hard working individuals.
(25:44):
We make a terrific team and just being around them
makes me want to work harder and be better. And
I'm incredibly fortunate to have that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So actually, my last last question will be a side
question to that is how do you attract people like that?
How do you how do you attract better people to
yourself to kind of make your circle stronger and make
yourself smarter and better and all of those things. Because
we talk a lot of on the show about making friends,
a lot of people have moved in the last few years.
How do you do it?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So this could be a challenge because I know, luckily
I'm an extrovert. There can be some introverted folks and
that's more difficult to you know, put yourself out there.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
But that's the thing is, you know, what's the upside?
What's the downside? If you meet up with a bunch
of folks, If there's an event happening and you go
and you introduce yourself to a group, what's the downside?
They'll say hi, and then you'll never speak to them again.
That's that's that's the worst thing that can possibly happen.
What's the upside? You make some friends, you find people
(26:47):
to hang out with, to learn things from you just
having the It takes an ounce of courage to go
out there, put yourself out and meet people, and the
payoff is tremendous. I mean, everyone has something special about
them that they can share with others, that will amaze
other people, that will attract other people. It's finding that
(27:08):
putting yourself out there with that talent and the rest
takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
He is comfortably smug listening to him at the Ruthless Podcast.
Thank you so much for coming on love seeing you.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thanks so much, Carol, thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
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Karol Markowicz
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