Ep. 514: Glassin' In God's Country

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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(00:42):
and I'm in a very tight spot as a podcast
host because I'm plugging a different podcast. So theoretically you
can turn this one off and turn a newer, perhaps
better one on. Like already, I like that already. The
Gods Country, not the God God's Country, not.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Though, why are you God's Country podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
God's Country Podcast is live right now, as you're listening
to this, as you're listening through magic of the magic
of show business. As you're listening to this, it's live
right now. The first episode dropped this past Tuesday. From
your perspective as a listener, today, January sixteenth is the
actual date from your listener perspective listening right now the

(01:30):
second episode is coming out tomorrow. If in fact, you
listen to this show on the day it comes out, what.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Just happened?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
What happened is bad producing. You take this up with
cringe niner.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Oh, don't say anything, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Not with us today. God's Country Podcast will launch on
a weekly cadence. First episode January six first episode out
January sixteenth. So from there you can just track in
your calendar what day of the week is that Tuesday?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Tuesday?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So Tuesday releases every Tuesday, right every Tuesday, so you
get the Meat Eater Podcast on Monday, God's Country Podcast
on Tuesday. I'm sitting here with a collection of folks
instrumental in the creation and launching of God's Country, including
Dan Reied, Isabelle is bo there who've been on the
show before?

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Yeah man, yeah man.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
One time.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
Where are we talking video show or are we talking podcast?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You were on the podcast we recorded one time in
a tour bus. We recorded on a tour bus in Wyoming.
Does remember following we recorded, you guys came on the
show and we talked about the business. Among other things,
we talked about the business of country music. Because you
guys are both I don't know what the hell you
call your lunch contractual contracted professional songwriters.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
I want to hear more about the Mississippi Cold Shoulder.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Well, when we got there, I think I told this then,
But when Steve came up, he's real tough and like
wasn't like, hey, how you doing to see.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Actually spoke through Yan. He was like, Yanny, tell these
guys that were about.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
Steve, Steve Steve, and then he just jumped in the
truck drove off.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Because I was trying to get I was trying to
get some stuff.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Squared justified it on the other podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I was trying to get some things squared away for
our our deal square his things squared up. Also joined
today by my wife Katie uh not Ranellae.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
There we go, Katie Finch, who has that's the thing
we need to talk about that thing?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh no, I'd like to Yeah, great, I'd like to
put a tonnel work into God's Country podcast and Jordans.
She thought her name.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Was Isabelle un till earlier today, been married a couple
of years and with all due respect the m v
P m V of this podcast question.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
A lot of therapy went into getting us to this point.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Uh, So we're gonna do our normal thing where we
get into all kinds of stuff, but go I'd like
you guys just do your own intros real quick too.
Just just talk a little bit about yourself that you
work up eighth mile from here. Yeah, we're saying that
you have an injured finger. I do.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, we're currently on music row.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
I write at fifty Egg Music, which is I think
it's just this way. I don't know if that's north
or south or whatever, this way about eighth of a mile.
Then Dan's at Sony. He works at Sony down here,
probably eighth and mile that way.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So that's you guys work for competing outfits. Yeah, yeah,
you could say that.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Okay, yeah, but you know, it's a it's.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
It's a friendly competition though it's it's more like be
because they all kind of have to work together in
order to get songs in different places.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
That makes sense, Yeah, okay, Yeah, it's competing outfits.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
But at the same time, like we work together all the.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Time, like we write songs, and it's not weird to
write with other people's companies, got it, because you need
you need that different angle to get a song cut
as well. As like a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, you just helped my my younger son work through
a couple of kinks of a song he was working
on called Twinkle Little.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Star beautiful rendition of Twin Little Star Twinkle they do
Twinkle Twinkle, which is that officially called twin.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
He did great, he just needed a little, Uh, we'll
push something you need that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You remember me getting the outfit you work for.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
It's fifty egg music and they got that. They got
that sing from the movie cool Hand Luke.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh okay when he eats all those eggs.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, they said they can't eat fifty eggs, and he
eats them. But usually this is where this is Monday
that we're sitting here recording this. Usually this town, I mean,
the roads would be jammed up with cars and trucks
and all of these back parking lots writing songs, and
the the food how or the restaurants would be jam
up with people eating. But today there's probably what four

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inches of snow on the ground, and I would venture
to say that we're one of the only ones doing
anything productive on the road today.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
National is looking for a reason to not do nothing.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, well, part of the reason today would be They
asked you to not do nothing to greed. True.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Oh yeah, that's that's right.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's like during the pandemic when you felt bad going
and doing stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Those are good.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
I didn't feel bad about that.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
We had a thing where they said outdoor recreation is
a okay, but don't go anywhere. So it put you
in a mind like we would go five six hours
to outdoor recreate and it felt like, so am I
under the outdoor wreck or my under the not go anywhere?

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Well, I think as long as you stay. I mean,
my own justification was as long as you stay, you know,
relatively spaced out. Are we talking about COVID again?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Four years that when you when you're when you're writing,
are you sitting in a couch like this? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (06:44):
Man, yeah, Well in my place if i'm writing, I've
got to room up here.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
Wait, you want a little skit one, a little skit
of how this goes?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, a couch?

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Hey man, I heard Jake Owen was cutting. I had
a thing like this.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh cool.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think he needs an up tempo.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
He needs an up tempo.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, to see his different he's a positive. I think
he's a positive.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
So he has different knowledge than I have, right, even
me saying, hey, good to see this morning.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Let's can you back it up a minute? Sure, how
did the conversation start?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
What's up, dude?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (07:12):
Thing?

Speaker 6 (07:12):
I heard Jake Cowen's cutting? Uh yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I heard he needs like a positive up tempo.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Who told you that?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
My publisher?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
So someone's pretty assembling his album and they said you
need a positive up tempo.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, because he's got it. I've heard he's got a
sad song.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
I've heard he's got a dad song, a couple of heartbreaks,
a couple of heartbreaks.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Wait, why is this funny to you? This is not
the construction of an album. No, No, like I like that.
There's this we're just using.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Like, Okay, j could probably use a positive Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
He's got a sad song, he's got a dad song,
he's got heartbreak songs. Yeah, so he needs a party.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
So I'm not gonna go. Yeah, because I already know
he has it.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Chances of getting that thing and beating something he already
has is way less.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Than Okay, he needs a up tempo. We start there,
got any hooks? Uh?

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah? Man, I was fishing the other day and my
dad said this.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
What did he say going up?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
He said, fresh set of eyes will always find more beans.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
He said, saying, f fun little beans.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
It's a little old school. I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
It means, but we can figure it out any day.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
So what don't we write a song that is.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Say yeah, Then we go, oh, you didn't say an
aron there? What's a cool aron? And we try to
make that fit because that's what based on the information
that he has and that I have, we know that
there's a space there. We're commercial riders. Not everything that
comes out of us has to be well. My great
granddaddy told me passed down the line this saying, sometimes

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it's just, hey, what does this guy need? We're commercial riders.
We're hired in order to do to fill that need.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Right, do you have particular specialties within that, yes, Like,
how would you describe Well, I.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Mean it depends on different Different writers have different strengths, right,
So I think I mean.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
It's a good example of us sitting right here right now.
Like I would consider myself a melody guy. I can
write a lyric, but I feel like melodies in my
head are my first go to. Like when Dan, if
Dan plays a song, I'm not gonna say what if
the first verse said this, I'm gonna go what if
it sounded like this?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
And do the the ups.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
And downs of a melody to a you know of
a verse melody and then which is completely different than
a chorus melody.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
And that is my strength.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Dynamically speaking, right like you obviously obviously want your verse
melody to be somewhere in a in a range that
you can lift from in order to create emotion in
the course, create an emotional lift in the course.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
But Dan is I would consider Dan. We can we can.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Both of us can do all the I feel like
can do, are really good at doing all the things.
But Dan's strongest specialty that you know, that you say
is a lyric, painting a picture, getting some getting a
listener to see what we're saying.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
And Dan's, you know, really really good at that.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, well some good.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
I'm good. I'm good all around.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Can you cover off real quick on your finger injury?

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yeah, so I smashed my left index that's an index
finger with a set of rattling horns.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Last week because you didn't cut the brawd times.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I didn't cut that, I didn't listen to my dad.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Daddy told her I cut the broad times off there day,
did you?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:36):
We Uh?

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I was.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
We were going down for a week rut hunt last
week and I found I got a pair of horns
and found him, got him, found him. Uh, found him
on our property. Actually, we can get into this a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
I was bow hunting, sitting in my stand and I
heard the wildest like grunt slash roar I've ever heard
in my life behind me and I'm sitting out there
in the world.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's, you know, far away from anybody. So my first
thought it was what is that? It happened again?

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Thought it was a bull hung in a fence, and
then a cow, yeah, like an actual cow like. And
then I heard it grunting like a buck like, and
this is We're getting close to the runt when this
was going down, So I was like, man, what is
going on? I called Dan a video to send him
a video. He's like, dude, you need to go check
that out. I went back there and got down out
of your tree, got down on my tree to go investigate,

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and found a three year old buck that had the
back end of it chewed off by coyotes.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Why was he grunting because.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
He was getting eat in a life like it was
it was a oh he was bellering.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
It was a grunt. It was like a roar, like
a like a yeah, it was real. I'll show you
the video. Anyway, found that deer.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Was the coyotes still on him.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
No, they ran off, tagged him, take him, took him in,
cut the backstraps out of him, and then cut his
horns off to make some rattling horns. Just so you know, Man,
so I didn't we and throwing, you know, just yeah joker, yeah,
huh so that was the pair of antlers I was using.
And yeah, before going down to the hunt, my dad

(12:09):
was like, hey, you better cut these brastones off.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So you said to that buck, You're like, you won't
be need knees anymore.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Dang right, you're gonna help me.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
Ye went down to Mississippi, ended up not cutting the
brow toones off. Last morning, I go in for a
sequence and man, I smoked my finger and it's pretty
much if you if you took pliers and tried to
rip the side of your index finger off, that's pretty.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
Much what happened.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Stitched it up, quick, stitch.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm chilling bro, when you say a sequence, what do
you mean? I mean, I don't know what you mean,
but do you have a philosophy?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Not really, I think uh.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
The initial you were talking about that?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, sequence.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
I mean I'm I'm not gonna sit there and bang
them all day, you know. When when it comes to
I just try to recreate a fight that I've heard
in the while before, and and that's usually a big
bang at the front, some rattling in between. What I
what I really am kind of intrigued at it is,
and I've heard people doing now is is taking two
or three sets of rolling horns, tying them to a rope,
dropping them on the ground from your stand. So when

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you're rating your sinquts starts, you just start picking up
that rope and it's hitting the ground, making leaves move,
cracking limbs and stuff and making like noise ground level
with the deer and as well as like you've got
the leaf noise going on and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So that is when they come. You know, people say
the turkey, that turkey knows what tree you're sitting against. Absolutely,
you know what I mean. Yeah, I've always heard they come,
even when we were messing around recently with posturing decoys.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, buck decoys in which which way?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
But when that buck comes in, he's like, got it.
I see the decoy, but I know that under that
tree there should be another deer. Yeah, I mean they're.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Like aware of boat for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, they don't go like, oh, there it is. They're like, well,
there he is, But what about what I know should
be here?

Speaker 7 (13:55):
I've always heard that that too. The turkey thing is like,
it doesn't matter how far turkey is. If you hit
to yelp, call or whatever, he could pinpoint within ten
yards of where you're sitting. And if he's enticed to
come check it out, he's gonna be better be ready
because he's coming. And same thing with a buck. I
mean you've rattled in deer before, is you know you better?
You better rattle and then set your horns down and

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get ready because if a buck's if a buck hears
that and it triggers that innate fight to survive, I
got to get over there check it out. He's not
taking his time like he's he's gonna rumble in. And
that actually is what happened. When this happened, I hit
my finger and I wear cut off gloves when I'm
bow hunting, so my hands were frozen anyway. So when
I hit it, I knew it hurt. And I looked

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down at it and it was just, I mean, there
was blood everywhere. So I start to wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And I hear.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
And I look up and luckily it wasn't a dear
that I was, you gonna shoot And a three year
old eight point ran in thirty yards from my tree
and just you know, went down window of me checking
it out and looking and didn't see anything.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Scared us. He said us a picture he was like,
got a blood trail and there was blood all over
the leaves and he hurt his finger up where it was.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Everybody was like yes.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
I was like yes from I wish that was because everybody's.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Like, yeah, he got one, he shot one.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
He was like, no, just busted his own ship.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
There's a we hit it on a thing this year.
I'm not going to talk about rattling all hour here,
but we had another thing this year. Is when you know,
you know that buck, he's gonna know where that rattling
noise is coming from, and he's gonna come down wind
of it, right, and he's gonna come down wind of
it twenty or thirty yards, No doubt. We hit an
on a thing this year. The rattler, the rattling person

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sets up and then you go fifty yards. Then the
archer goes fifty yards down wind of the rattler. That
way that bark bam comes running in right on top
of them, staring in the direction that thinks it is
never even would think to look further down wind. But
then one thing is I when I was hunting with

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with Seth, you guys meet Seth if you mess uth,
Yeah we did. Yeah, I had to. I almost had
to decide if I was gonna risk piercing him with
the arrow. I mean, because that buck stopped and I'm like, man,
I hope he's in sess that he could see the
buck And he started trying to slip.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Down in the Did did come between them on the tree?

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, big time? And I had to shoot earlier, and
I wanted to because I was watching him at what
point it was going to go through and get set
really and he said he could see it happen, and
he started trying to melt into the ground. Thinking about
what that think about?

Speaker 6 (16:23):
This guy sounded real desperate to kill a deer here. Man.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
Gee, that's a big that's a big turkey strategy is
the caller if a turkey's not coming in, if he's
hanging up at one hundred yards, and the call if
you're you know, a couple of guys sitting there, you
got a shoot her in a collar. The caller is gonna,
you know, a good strategy to drop back, to continue
to drop back like that hen is walking away, which
will entice that turkey come coming forward.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Uh, Jordan, you you so you tangle up the music
business too.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
So I'm a marketing director for label group here in town,
based out of LA but I kind.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Of head up there Nashville.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
But you can't say who.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, Virgin Music Group.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh yeah, so they're playing people.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
Is we don't get a discount though at the hotels
for the curises.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
But yeah, we passed one of their hotels right here here,
No discount, no discount. Take the eighth of a mile, yeah,
eight of them.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
And so yeah, and then kind of helping these guys.
Our brains work very differently.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Helping is not wrangling is a leading.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
I mean we just kind of show up and do it.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
She says lassoing, Yeah, herding, Yeah, hurting.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
Like this morning, for example, they were sitting at the
kitchen table.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh, don't just say were I was in the same house.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
No, no, no, no, Dan came.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
No, we do live ten minutes apart from each We
did live. We're eight from a mile.

Speaker 8 (17:46):
But Dan came over this morning. Dan was holding one
of my babies. And but they are sitting at the
kitchen table talking about buying trucks, and the conversation just
will not end.

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Well it was it was eight forty five, and Jordan
was like, we gotta be out of here at nine,
and I've got sweatpants on a T shirt.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
She said, nine thirty fifteen, And I just I don't know.

Speaker 8 (18:08):
I also think being late is like a son of rudeness,
and so I am always just like, okay, let's go whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And she walked in with a baby. This is weird.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
I was sitting down like this and my my feet
propped sweatpant, my feet propped up on a chair. Jordan
had a baby in her arms. I was drinking coffee.
You know, she's we gotta go.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You concrete boots on yet? Or I had that No,
not yet.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Not yet creep. These things are mean.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
This is cold.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
But Dan sitting there.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Jordan deadly too. If you lived in the North, you
know better, dude.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
My feet are freezing.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Eat it too. On ice going, you'll have good working
on concrete. That's good.

Speaker 7 (18:49):
Jordan walked in and goes hey, And this is how,
this is why she works with me and Dan and
she she walks in and goes, hey, I love you guys.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think you guys are great.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
She was like, yeah, to go, like, quit talking about
buying a truck and go put some pants in your
in your concrete boots.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And they were both like, Okay, what have we gotta do?

Speaker 8 (19:07):
And I was like, snow needs to get off the truck, Dan,
truck read shower, do something and but yeah, so I
guess in wrangling these you.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Hoo's, it's been fun great.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And then Katie, I.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Noticed your little about Jordan's common about being late. Yeah, yeah,
that is one of the main things that Steve and
I argue about it.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
So are you always on Tom or.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm a mint man, dude? You know what a minute
mann with the American Revolution.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yeah, we our kids were talking. They all try to
be minimum. Our youngest is the only one who.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh dude, he's fast.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
He is always ready for school on time. Anyway you
asked me, I'm I am your wife, and I work
at meat Eater, do a variety of things and have
the amazing fortune of getting to work with you guys
on this podcast. So excited.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do you just know we met through publishing? I didn't
know that I did. And then Dan go ahead, Uh,
what talk about? We talk about your line of work.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Oh, it's the same as rates. We do the same thing.
We already covered that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing. Great.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So we're gonna we're gonna do a couple things that
we're gonna get into. We're gonna get into the God's
Country Podcast. No, you guys are not familiar. You're familiar
now with my saying that I invented a freshet of
eyes will always find more beans. I'll clarify where it
came from. It came from when you'd send people to
pick pole beans, as one does, they'll come and say,
well I got them all. I'm like, and then I'll

(20:48):
go out and there be more anybody, anybody.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
This is a very specific saying to our children, though
I think it just applies.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
I'm really curious as to how you're applying this to
your children though.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
No, it's like so like literally sending them outside to
get pole beans.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, what are you? What kind of you guys?
Do bush beans or pole beans down here?

Speaker 6 (21:09):
What are we talking about it?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Gardening?

Speaker 6 (21:12):
No? I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay, either way, I observed it like no matter who
you how many people you send out, they'll you send
them out. Like pick up pole beans is hard because
they camouflage inside the trestle, O L E. Pole. Well,
there's two. You have two varieties. So you have bush
beans which have snap beans and great, but they they

(21:35):
can be either or Okay, just just for clarity's sake. Uh,
bush beans are already generally they're determinate, meaning they're already
all at once, right, so for canning and stuff they're great.
Then you can have indeterminate pole varieties, which is produce
over a long period time. You will send as I've

(21:56):
had to explains a bunch of times, you'll send someone out.
You'll be like, hey, kids, go pick all the beans
for dinner, and they'll come back, but we got them all.
And then I'll go out and they didn't get them
all there's more. So didn't you invent the saying or
was this a past?

Speaker 8 (22:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I invented the saying A new old say, a new
old saying, which means it means like a like. You
can apply it to glassing, for instance, like no I
glass that hillside out, there's no deer there. And then
he's like the fresh at eyes, fresh set eyes. So
we've got a lot of variations on this.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
I have a conflict with that statement working on.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Song titles, and a guy said that he tried it
on his wife the other night. She was looking in
the she was looking in the pantry for vanilla extract.
She couldn't find it, and he said, well, I'll come
in and take a look, and she said, what good
would that do? I'm already looking. He'd been wanting to
use the expression. His wife's name is Kate. He wanted

(22:54):
to use the expression, so he said it, and then
in rep why, she called him the one word that
no one has ever said on this podcast, see you
next Tuesday, which made me think, what kind of wife's
he got? What happened right there? What just happened doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
See you next Tuesday is way more than one word.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, that's what he got called for applying to saying, now,
we've been covering serious situations with TSA agents stealing your
pocket knives, and we had a guy. We haven't been
disclosing where any of these TSA agents are located because
we want to get in trouble. But there's a TSA
agent who tells people to go put it in the
bathroom drop ceiling, and a guy goes to later get

(23:40):
his knife, and he says that he finds multiple names,
three other knives in the drop ceiling. Another TSA agent
wrote in. He says, I worked for the TSA, and
there have been many times that someone was caught while
attempting to stash a knife in the ceiling tiles of
a bathroom. They're usually caught by another passenger, who reports

(24:00):
them to either TSA or the police at the airport.
My suggestion this is coming from a TSA agent, which
is what I've personally done. Put your knife inside of
a planter, you're less It's less suspicious to see someone
fiddling with a planter than someone in the bathroom fiddling

(24:21):
with the drop tiles.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
A guy wrote in about hunting strategies, you guys might
be interested in this. He's talking about trying to kill
town deer. Yeah, okay, he's observing when you're hunting town deer,
and I've seen this. You're hunting town deer that are
town Turkey's town deer. They're totally used to people. But
the minute you go to hunt them, they know you're
hunting them. He's saying, the reason that's happening is because
you're acting different. You're dressing different, acting different. When he's

(24:49):
hunting town deer, he acts like he's going to do
a normal town thing, like go to the grocery, you
put on normal clothes and don't go toward the deer.
You tour to shed, Yeah, you don't go. You go
like you're going tour to car crank a four wheeler
out there. And he talks on his phone.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
And then he turns around and WAPs him.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And he said it's so easy that he's gotten sick
of it.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
So he's been successful with this.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
You sound angry about that.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
I'm a little angry about this.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well, he's like, Hey, I'll act if I'm trying to
get a town deer. I'll act like I'm doing messive
with my garbage. Because the minute you like get all
your gear on and act weird and try sneaking up
on it, it's like, what the the deer's like, hell's
going out with this guy and he takes off.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
He's hunting me.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, he's like he doesn't like it. Yeah, so he said,
just like you have it, be chill, do normal stuff.
He like said, it works so good, this works so well.
It ruined the whole experience.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Oh beautiful.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
He's got a friend.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
This guy, go find some public land.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
He's got a friend. He says that hunt likes to
hunt deer. He's mechanic and he hunts deer by the garage.
He hunts in his mechanic clothes by the garage. And
he said that he thinks it's the perfect all that
grease is a good cover center.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
I just absolutely demolishes, like all the standards and bars
that we were brought up on as far as like
respecting everything and do it.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
It's just like, hey, man, just set up by the
garage and your work suit, shoot some ship.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
So you don't think you should do it.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
I'm not saying I don't think you should do it.
I would absolutely do it. I just think it. It
just doesn't feel as good to make.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Some weird you know what it is. It's it's it's well,
go on, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I used to so when I used to get on
a plane and there was people in first class, I
wanted to cut all their throats.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
I knew they were.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
On board, rich bastards. Came by it dishonesty, you know
what I mean. Later you get then later you get
where you start getting later, I know, but now now
you know, Now I get out there, and I'm like, man,
a bunch of hard working people, you know, a lot
of sacrifices, a lot of sacrifices they made to be
in this situation up here. You guys order Champagne to

(27:18):
talk about down on people, the hunted town stuff. But
now I have a yard that has a lot of
town stuff in it, and I'm always plotting and devising
how I would go about it. And the one neighbor
I have right next to me is out in a
different zone, a different municipality, administrative zone, and I'm envious.

(27:42):
Even though you know, one of the commandments is don't
covert that neighbor's property. I coveted his property because he
would be at will to hunt the town stuff. So
I'm saying I wouldn't look down on it. Now, I'm
an aspirational town hunter, meaning it's just your situation varies.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
I mean, yeah, so you wouldn't you look the country
correct back porch, a giant deer walks out across your backfield.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Depends on how the years go, okay and what season.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
End of season, you haven't killed a buck yet, not
see ya, you would shoot it.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
We recently looked at a property that's basically touching our property,
and my only motivation looking at that property is that
you were to have excellent town hunting.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
When you say townhunting, like, are you guys like in talking.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
About hunting habituated animals. Yeah, that was not.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
My motivation for looking at.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That the truth, I'll still do normal stuff, but I
was like, my like, this would give you a chance
at town bears.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
I'm saying there's a different for me personally now, what
I mean, honestly, ignorance is bliss too, right. If you
didn't have the foundation I guess that we were brought
up on, it probably wouldn't matter to me. I'm old
now and there there is more to it for me
than the animal. And I'm not trying to put myself

(29:03):
on some purist pedestal here. I'm just saying it. It
just I don't know that it would that it would
bring the same satisfaction as because.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
You didn't feel like it.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
So there's a guy here in town. No, no, no,
you and you guys probably know the story. But he
was dating this girl who lived within city limits.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh, you're doing it, you're doing she is doing it.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I'm not going to say names. I'm not going to
say names.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
The girl lives in East Nashville, very well known for
having like town deer over there.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Oh no, she's at a location.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Big deer, and we're getting close.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
We're going to judge you if you shoot him, because
you shouldn't shoot town deer.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (29:48):
This guy is dating this girl. He and he had
been watching this deer come up on her property. They
ended up breaking up, and I don't really know what
I think. They were kind of like talking still, and
as a talking she sent him a picture of this
giant buck in her backyard. Conveniently, they got back together

(30:09):
and he shot it and then posted a picture on
the internet.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
In his camera, like he shot it out and then
he broke up with her the next day.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
Mom, like with that, Wow, but it's kind of funny
you say that, Like he shot it off the back
porch and his normal clothes, went inside, put his camera on,
and then went outside and took the picture.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
With the deer.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Well that that happened.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
One degree removed.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But I like to be a very well rounded outdoorsman, Okay,
Like I hunt a trap, I fish, I hunted some
of the most I hunted some of the most remote
places you can get to. And as the well roundedness,
I would also like to build a hunt in some
of the least remote places you get to, just to
have that full breadth of experience. And I don't think,

(30:53):
I don't think you're going to damage the resource. Which
leads me to another thing that someone wrote in about
where a guy wrote in looking for some moral help.
He has a twenty acre plot twenty acre track a
land in western Virginia. Used to be a big cattle operation,
but it got all as things do, got all busted
up in the little pieces, one of which he purchases

(31:13):
load of a deer in turkeys. Here's the thing he's
in a situation where in terms of the state regulations,
he's totally fine to hunt, but there's this dumb property
owners association prohibition on hunting, and he's looking for some
moral guidance and what you should do. I just I

(31:35):
I never knew. I didn't really understand what those things were.
I bought a house that's in one of those things,
and I would never make that mistake again. I would
not pay any attention to that.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
No, I'm either and I live in one as well,
like like we live outside of the city, but it is.
It is in a community, and there is an HOA
system in place, and they will send you letters if
your grass is not cut at a certain height, or
if you've got limbs in the backyard, which I just
kept on moving them, yeah, and just made them move

(32:08):
them in a different spot. But yeah, I'm the same
way man, I think, and I always say this too,
like until that association is paying the taxes on my property,
I'll do what I want to do on my property.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I have all phenomenal neighbors, same, yeah, but I know
I don't I would rather all my neighbors were horders not.
I mean, I don't want to trade my neighbors in
I would like to have my wonderful neighbors that I have,
but that but that they were hoarders and junk collectors, Okay,
meaning when you need something like I have in my
place in Alaska, I had a horder junk collector neighbor.

(32:40):
Anytime you needed anything, just.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Walk over there.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You go over there and need to have it.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, you don't have to keep up with it, so
you need like and didn't even know.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
He has some metal yay long? Right whatever you know
he's going to have that huncle metal yay long. It's
just there's the They have all kinds of rabbits, like
junk piles. Yeah, it just be. And then my place
looks awesome.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Sure not happening in an Hoa.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Looks way better than everybody else's.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
We've never gotten any like criticism from the Hoa, except
not like grass anything we've done to the house. Just
our camper trailer. Yeah, staying outside for too long?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
How'd that make you feel? And when you when you
opened that letter and read that.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Didn't come in a letter for him?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right? Was it right after your hunt with Luke?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
No, it was during the big flood that we.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Had just gotten a notice about our camper trailer and
our HOA was upset about it. And I pulled in
from work one day and there was probably twenty cars,
our trailer and a tour bus generators run or like today,

(33:49):
and I was like, well, they were upset before.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ye a Minnesota trapper. This was reported in I believe
this is a report in Minnesota public radio. A Minnesota
trapper had a Bobcat set out. This, Oh, this is

(34:14):
not this is This story makes trappers look pretty good.
A Minnesota trapper has a Bobcat set out, and he's
in the area where you can't trap pine Martins, and
he catches a Pine Martin in his Bobcat set and
he thinks it's deceased. Calls a warden because that's what
he needs. He needs a self report. This guy's an

(34:35):
exemplary figure because a lot of guys would have been
like that didn't happen, right, and just go about your business.
But he calls a warden to say, I had an
incidental catch. I think I killed this Pine Martin. The
warden says on the call, the trapper then says, op,
it's eyes just moved and hangs up on the warden.
He then manages to give CPR. The warden backed him

(35:01):
up on this, gives him CPR, resuscitates the martin, uh warm,
puts it in his vehicle. What moves the martin into

(35:22):
his vehicle to warm it up? No, he put his
He put his mouth over its nostrils and put air
into it.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
I'm with it.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Rushes to the scene Belle Tramy County. The guy gets
it all warmed up in his all trained vehicle. They
don't say what kind. The warden rushes to the scene.
They get it revived to the point that it becomes
very angry.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
Confining, confined within the ATV, and they released it.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
It's impressive that he he pulled out the CPR, and
you how to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not only that, the warden reviewed video taken by the
trapper's wife that confirmed the sequence of events. The warden
was so moved he included it in his weekly report
of Notable activity activities. The trapper, I wish Kren was here,

(36:22):
supposedly does not want to be interviewed.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
If anybody could could make that happen, it would be crinal.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
I always think I'm readneck and then I hear stories
like that, and I'm like, you know, what.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
What a story.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Why don't your parents have coons or something?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Oh yeah, my dad and stepmom raised raccoons in our house.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
There's literally pictures of her dad holding a raccoon feeding
him a twinkie.

Speaker 8 (36:46):
Yeah, like on the cow and they would like have
to burp the raccoons and then like a baby.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Okay, it's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Just kept them when I was little. My kids are
dying for one to spring the raccoon.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
They fell out of a tree and they were Huey,
Dewey and Louie I think, and they would come they
would open the door not and come in and eat cheetohs.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
That's pretty red neck.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I am the mouth to.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
What a story of the Pine Martin?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let me ask you about that. I was going to
move on to another news story. Go on.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Sorry, Is that is that like, because obviously we don't
have pine Martins down here? Is that like a kind
of a revered animal there is this just like like
would it be.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Like No, it's more it's more heroic than reviving a possum.
So we trap Martins where we're at and it's an
American Martin people call them Pine Martin. Have you ever
heard of sable like a sable coat or a sable brush.

(37:39):
So Martins are sold as sable and it's a very
high end, luxuriant fur. And they used to make a
brush with the with the hair of a Martin. And now,
like I was saying, if you were an oligarch's wife
pre Ukraine invasion, if you were an oligarch's wife, what
you wanted was a sable coat lined with bobcat which

(38:03):
really brings this guy's worlds together.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
It was like a season for Pine Martin and it
wasn't in season.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
The season for Pine Martin runs, well, I don't know
in his area. He might be in a unit. So
there are Minnesota units you can trap Martin. He might
have been out of unit. But our season runs from
uh December one to February fifteenth for Martin trapping. And
they're regulated as a fur bear. They're a mustal lid,
they're a weasel, remember the weasel family. They're regulated as

(38:29):
a fur bear. And you'll have all kinds of quotas
in place and stuff like that. But right now the
unit I'm in is open quota. December one to February fifteenth.
So is that why there were there were worth like
forty fifty bucks? So is that why he had to
report it because it was out of season?

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Was that what you were going for when we had
the snowmobile?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, Martin trapping when we had our snowbill crash.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Okay, so I have the best photo ever. I'm going
to find it for you.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
We had a miss I took her trapping.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
We had a misma.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
It was not a miscommunication.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Here's the I said.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
It was like, I have I have a great date day,
date day, date.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Day got her with the d so I had her drive.
She's like, I don't want to be driving on some
steep ass.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Trail and I was like, the one thing I'm worried
about is driving off the side of a mountain and
flipping over ballot.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
So I say you should drive the snow mill and
learn how to drive on the flats. Tough to drive.
Drove it and then wasn't crazy about driving it. And
then I jump off to check some sets.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Just they just happened to be where.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I leave it. I leave it.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
I can I'm supposed to do a date day, but
I have to go to check my.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Some sets, and I go down the mountain. She my
snowmobil has footwarmers. You jam your feet up into these
feet warmers. She moves up to try to warm her
feet on it. So when I come back up the mountain,
she's perched up there in the driver state. Yeah, in
the driver's Yeah, I thought she was up there because
she's itching to drive again. But she was up there

(40:03):
trying to warm her feet. But size just whatever. I
jump on the back and she's like, well, I guess
I'm driving again. And I had already broken trail through
this area. So then we are on the steep stuff
she doesn't want to drive on, and her skis get
a little out of the ruts. This is the day
Ken Block died on a snowbill always be find the day,
same day. So she gets the ruts out of the

(40:28):
skis out of the track. I reach forward to grab
the bar and pull it back on, but inadvertently punch
the accelerator.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
That's what's.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
A whiskey throttle. It off Off the mountain we go,
and I think, man, this is gonna hurt when this
thing starts rolling over us bunch of times, so I
kind of bear hugger and get like tucked in expecting
the machine was but the powder was so deep it
just burrowed in and I was like, man, this is bad.

(41:03):
But we had there's two trees in the vicinity. I
had one tree to get it back. I got a
rope polar on one tree and got it upright, got
a rope pullar on another tree and got it back
on the road. And we were lucky in underway Jordan, Uh,
that's the pinet.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I don't know if I can put my mouth on that.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's a pine Martin.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Putting my mouth And God didn't mouth the mouth on that.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
That thing would eat your tongue out.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
So recorded in the Okay, here's here's here's the here's
here's here's a distressing story kind of. So a group
by now in Canada how to work like in Canada
big Game the British Columbia big game guides will have
I've hunted a BC on one of these. A big
game outfitter in Canada will have like what they call
on Crown Land, they'll own the concession. Okay, so big

(41:56):
game outfitter the public can hunt a certain area, but
only one an outfitter can guide an area and that's
what you own. There's an animal rights group in the
Great Bare Rainforest of BC which is buying up the concessions,
doing everything normal, and it's a bid process. So there

(42:16):
it's like willing seller willing buyer. They're doing the bid process,
doing all the necessary paperwork.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
But that would essentially be like here where they do
duck draws. They draw for blind right, what they're called
pits and stuff, and so what they do here is
is essentially it would be them entering these duck sure things,
getting the rights to it, and then just not hunting

(42:41):
it essentially.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
But with a duck thing you have people out. There's
a possibility that you can't. This is money.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
This is no this this money too. People buy pits
from people who draw them all the time. Oh oh okay,
maybe illegally, but they definitely do it.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
This is similar to a move that's been happening in
other areas where uh So, a couple of years ago
when the US Fish and Wildlife Service moved to delist
grizzly bears and the grizzly bears in the Greater Yellstone ecosystem.
We're going to go under state management some of the states.
Montana sat it out, Wyoming said that we're going to

(43:16):
issue twenty tags for hunting. Idaho was going to do
a sort of they were gonna do one sort of
a symbolic one tag, and there was a big movement
for if this went through, it was gonna be that
the whole they were trying to get people just to
swamp the application system and hopes that that anti hunters

(43:40):
would draw the tags and just sit on them. Right.
So this is like a play that you'll see that
is happening more and more and more and more. Let
me ask you about this.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Do you feel how how do you feel like if
there's a versus the revenue of hunters versus the revenue
of non hunting, where does that How does that sit?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You know? I think where you see it play out
in a really effective ways you where you have a
legitimate juxtaposition would be as explained to me, it would
be if you look in areas in Africa where you
have countries that have moved away from right, you have
countries that move to a park system, in countries that
run a hunting concession system what it winds up doing.

(44:21):
With countries that run like that have like a park system,
you have the same way you'd have it in for instance,
in Montana with Yellowstone National Park or Glacial National Park.
Then the rest of the area. You have a high
volume of spending in a very concentrated area and in
a bunch of neglected area. So in as it's been

(44:41):
explained to me would be in the case of in Africa,
you have these vast, vast, vast areas that are hunting
concession and it brings in small amounts of people that
spend extraordinary amounts of money and allows for habitat preservation
to occur on in remote areas on big landscapes. And
then you have park systems where large amounts of people

(45:05):
spend small amounts of money and they're very concentrated. Its
effectiveness almost lies on its effectiveness almost relies on the concentration, right,
Meaning a dude that goes to Wyoming to hunt elk
and you know the dude goes in Whoming elk is
going to go spend over ten grand. Yeah, all in

(45:28):
you go visit the park, you know, spending that you know,
spending that amount of money. Yeah, right, but that that
two million acres of Yelsow National Park, for instance, that
two million acres generates an enormous amount of money per acre,
but it wouldn't be applicable across these sort of like
less showcase scenarios.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Do you think that's moving our our country to a
got to own to be able to hunt place.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Man everywhere outside of the big pub land areas. Yeah,
I mean I'm witnessing that in my I mean, you know,
I'm turning fifty pretty soon here, so it's like when
I say, in my own lifetime, keep in mind that's
like a half century. Yeah, but I've witnessed that dramatically
in my own lifetime. Pay to play, right, the days
of we used to I used to maintain when I

(46:19):
was growing up in Michigan for trapping, I maintained twenty
five permissions. I had twenty five permissions to hunt trap.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Yeah, it's definitely happening here in the South. I mean,
you have to and I don't know, I don't know
if it's a I don't know if it's people just
don't want people on their land at this point. But
like to me, it was the most it was the
it was the most important thing I could spend money
on was land in order to lock up a place

(46:50):
for my kids reads kids are you know what I mean?
Like I don't care about trucks or any of that
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
It was like you you were just talking about buying
trucks this morning, when you're supposed.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
To talk about readout.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
No, we were talking about you bound a truck.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well just this morning. Well he's rich now he already
got care about trucks.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
I'm sorry. I shouldn't say I don't care about trucks.
I care about land more than I care about trucks,
and I care about acquiring land more than I care
about trucks. And that that's what I think. It's part
of the problem as well, is because once I get it,
anybody hunting that, they're not my family's gonna hunt that.
So the more that that happens, the more locking up

(47:29):
that that happens, the less opportunity there is for people
that that's not important to.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
Them, especially now that that land is is through the
roof and price.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Man, that's what that's what I mean. So you've decided
no one's hunting your place.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
No's not my place. You can come sit with me.
He dogg, but you're not shooting anything. You need a
dough or something. But look, here's the other thing. Okay,
let's take the six point for example, the one I
sent you the picture of. I've been watching that deer
grow for four years. Okay, So I come in, I
work and don't buy trucks for years in order to

(48:07):
be able to purchase this ground. Right, it comes for
sale bound, we hop on it. I go start hunting it.
Dream spot backs up to my little farms, and now
we've got this acreage. I see this six tall six
point right, he's running around out there. I'm like, man,
that thing's pretty be awesome. If he could make it,
he makes it, makes it another year, makes it another year,
and eventually turns into this desired six and a half

(48:30):
year old white tail. Right. So, the thought of me
bringing anybody outside of Jesus Christ to shoot this deer,
it's outlandish.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
I've been passing this thing. He's been dodging Z seventy
one's for the past six years on those roads. You
know what I'm saying. Not to mention other whack chop
mechanics sitting out behind their house trying to grease and everything.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
So like to me, that deer is.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
More periodicity an implant driving a flashlight and two seventy.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
You know what I'm saying, and I'm with the mindset
of it. I'm just saying, it's a tough spot, right,
It's a tough spot because people want their on ground
and they want to do what they want to do
on their own ground.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Well, let me hit you with this. Okay, this is true,
but like, Okay, my friend Doug Darren, he manages his
family's farm, right, that dude, he takes the number one
number he's interested in. He's interested in two numbers.

Speaker 8 (49:30):
One.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
He likes to brag about how many people hunted his place.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
How old is this guy? We older me, so he's
had some time on there.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Maybe you know what he's I'm older than he was.
He recently pointed out to me. I'm now older than
he was when he and I became friends. That doesn't
mean a whole hell of a lot to you. But
either way, Oh, I don't know what the hell. He
is a decade older than I am. Yeah, maybe a
little more than that. Anyway, he'll brag to me forty
four people hunting my farm. This year in a very

(49:59):
control or andize fashion. And if you go talk to
Doug too, the number of dead deer is usually at
or higher than the number of people that hunted his place.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
How big is this place?

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Several hundred several hundred acres. He takes pride in getting
people on his place. I got another I got well,
I got another bud. Does he set limits on my buddy,
my buddy, Matt Cook. There's years that dude don't hunt
his place. He's so busy having everybody else on his place,
wounded veterans, kids, non.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
He's the last time I went a veterans hunted your spot.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
If we had gotten the land behind us? Oh, come on,
okay him, would you invite a bunch of people to
come over and my.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Kids buddies that I got another guy, I got another
guy know uh, another guy know Mark That dude he's
got more kids run around hunting play his place. So
you don't need to be mean. But it also could
be that you could mature into this in old age.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Maybe that's what Doug Duram did.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Well, he did just he used to be. He's and
he'll tell you, well, I'm not saying no one can
ever hunt my place? Well, Jesus you said he could.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
Now at this moment, and I mean, yeah, we've shot
some turkeys off there. I'm just saying, it's the it's
the dilemma, right, the dilemma.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I hear you, loud and clear.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
Locking up ground for you and yours to do what
they want to do.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
On Can I hit you with a scenario, then we're
gonna move on by let's go. And I was guilty,
You already look like an asshole. Well no, I'll hit
you with scenarios. So I own a weird little spot. Okay,
I own a weird little spot where.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Now let me just say this. If you've got a
record deal, you're welcome to hunt my spot. I'll swap
cuts for.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
A for a for a dough up tempo positive positive little.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Slide in there. Hey man, shoot that forecorn he he
don't make it down to me.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I have a little spot that opens up some great opportunity.
Like in and of itself, the spot's nothing, but it
just gives you. It gives you like pretty good access
to an area. And buddy of mine owns a little
spot next to the little spot that's.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
Somebody of mom own the spot next, no spot, No okay.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So he gets a letter from some kids saying, couldn't help,
but notice you got a nice little spot. Could we
use your little spot to get to.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
The other spot?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Other spot? And I said, man, I'd act like I
never saw that letter. And I mud up being real
glad I didn't get the letter because that would have
put me in a morally compromised position.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
So did the little Montana heart of yours have done?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I would have been in a buying. I would have
been in the buying. But thankfully I was like, just
I just was. I thanked the universe that that didn't
come to me, because I wouldn't want to have to
deal with the situation like that.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
What did he do? Did he say? No, you and
your kid?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I advised him to act like he never saw that one?

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Is that what he did? Is that what he did?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Or he was a little distraught about that? He was
a little he was a little dismayed about the address
that they found. M M, what, Yeah, they've done a
lot of work. How he felt a little spied on?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Well, we had someone.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, let's just leave you at that.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Maybe something for that.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
My stepdad has land and had someone approach him about
getting to hunt it, and so my stepdad actually made
a list of jobs he didn't want to do on
the property to help clean it up, and told the kid,
if you trim the fences, paint the fences, do all
this stuff, you can have rights to hunts, to.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Which the kid has not done.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
Yes, you know, and then we locked everybody out of it.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I'd invite your dad to visit with the guy I
was talking about, Doug Duran, who lets everybody hunt his
place because not only that, he has started an organization
called Sharing the Land, which is just for that purpose.
Doug's philosophy is is this, like, first off, his philosophy
on land ownership is a it's a it's not ours,

(54:09):
it's our turn. Interesting, it's not ours, it's our turn.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Jesus is really making me.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Look, let me tell you he's gonna get worse. So
Doug's like, every time, you know, everybody knows what the
hunter gets out of the land, right, everybody knows that
the landowner gets out of the land. But Doug's like,
what does the land get out of it? Out of
this exchange? So Doug has started this thing called Sherry
the Land, which is he brings in farmers who have

(54:35):
chore lists right, and he brings in groups of hunters
who say it like I'm ready to work for access.
But the work that they're doing goes toward habitat improvement.
So if a farmers like he wants shelter belts and windrows,
he wants to pull up old fencing, he wants to
do any number of things, they try to gear it

(54:56):
toward land improvement while improvement actually and then he puts
the he pairs the hunters with the landowners. There's no
and it winds up meaning there's no exchange of cash,
so you don't wind up in a weird regulatory space.
But it's like, oh, I've always wanted to, you know,
improve my riparian area, or try to re establish willows

(55:17):
along the creek or the cattle graze it down, or
try to do trout work on my stream, but shit,
I'm not gonna have time to do that. Well, you
get these holsers that want to hunt, and they'll come
out and pour the coals to it and then they
get to do their hunt.

Speaker 8 (55:31):
I'm with that, and I think it's good, especially if
the landowner doesn't hunt like they're not going to be
like if you didn't hunt, yeah, you would let people
probably hunt your land.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah. Man, so you.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Got like, I think in Dan's defense.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yeah, this is a team.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
The last you brought up the fact that it's a dilemma,
Like to act like it's not a dilemma is not truthful,
Like you're being honest about it, and you admitted that
you also would were conflicted when you know tangentially.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
We're on the same team. He's just not as vocal
about he's just not owning it.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
No, No, I'm just putting it in a tough spot.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
I know.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
But we're on the same team.

Speaker 8 (56:17):
I'm not gonna lie. If I owned land, I wouldn't
let people hunt it. I'm just going to say.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
It your husband, I mean, yeah, my brother in.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Law without me.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
No.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
But I mean like if I I mean, I grew
up on a chicken farm in Kentucky and I don't
I wouldn't let people hunt that. I wouldn't let other
people hunt it. I would let my family enjoy it.
I would be selfish about it.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I'm exploiting myself this tough spot.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
And I'm not saying I'm not taking a wounded veteran
back off.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I'm just saying how wounded which war?

Speaker 6 (56:50):
No, Look, I mean here's a prime I have a
prime example. They probably never listen to this anyway. There's
a there's a guy that has asked like, hey man,
do you mind? And I was like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Do mine.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Nicely. I worked extremely hard to have a place for
my family to do this, and we're going to be
doing it on that day. So next year rolls around,
hey man, son's in for Christmas? You mind if we
I was like, ah, wish we could make that work,

(57:27):
but my brother and I are actually going to be
back there on them. Next year rolls around, hey man,
my nine year old granddaughter who has never killed a turkey,
she's a combat veteran, was a combat veteran, and has
a purple heart. Is there any chance? And I was like, dude,
I'm gonna have my nephews. All true, all true. Me

(57:49):
and Reed were hunting at one year, Me and my
dad were hunting the year before, and I was taking
my nephews the next year. All true things. I'm not
just lying about it, but I'm trying to establish the
fact that a bro finally somewhere, buddy, they're out there.
Because I feel like that's what we had to do.
That's what we had to do to get ground. We
had to We hunted core ground and public land, and

(58:12):
I mean I shot a turkey on the other side
of the lake over there then, and I mean we
we worked to have access to places to hunt understood,
and there is ground fifteen minutes down the road that
we have killed deer on. Now were they six year olds? No,
but but we got to hunt there. I feel like

(58:33):
you should be able. Yoh, this sucks to say. I
just keep feeling like a jerk every night time.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
No, you don't need to feel like a jerk. It's
a real it's the thing. Let me bring it positive
that we can move on from the conversation.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Sorry, yeah, we've been on.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
No. No, I just think that hats off to the people
that have that ability to let people go on. I've
told you joking. I'm totally joking.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
If if we ever find ourselves in places where we
can plan to hunt, I would be very interested to
see if you just open it up to all hunters everywhere.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
No, I'll be like hunt what when? Okay, do you
do that? With your spots that you hunt.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
Now, are you like, after you've filmed me a little show,
do you go, hey, man, by the way, here's the pinpoint.
Go kill everything out there.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, but not to anybody.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
Give me a coordinate.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, I, well, here's the deal. There's sort of a
you know, I have a collection of individuals. I have
a circle of individuals that there's that we there's like
an unwritten deal where I throw them little tidbits and

(59:48):
they throw me little tidbits, a.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Little tip for test.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
It's test, it's highly reci it's highly reciprocal. And sometimes
you know in The Godfather, when the guy comes and
says the Marlon and he's like he wants something done
about someone that violated his daughter and the criminal system
let her go, Brando says to him, Someday, I don't

(01:00:11):
know when, but someday I'm gonna have a favor for you.
Maybe never, but someday I might have a favor for you,
and I'll take care of this.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
That's how you feel about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
So the people that I share with, someday maybe I
share with I have an expectation that sometime down the road,
I might say, hey, I'm in a little bit of
a bind trying to take a buddy mine to get
some whatever ducks this weekend. You got any tips, and
I would expect, and if they clam up on me,

(01:00:45):
then I would expect, like down the road. I'm not
throwing tidbits. I get that, Like you know what I'm saying,
I'll do that with fish. But I mean, I don't
know about dear fish.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Anything you were explaining to me the other day, because
I was a little bit surprised by it that if
you take someone somewhere where and then they go without you,
that that's really just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I just said, it's just it's good policy to acknowledge.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
Agreed, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
A good policy to It'd be like if I take
someone to a spot, it's good policy for them to say, hey.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
What, uh is it cool?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
If yeah, like I want to go up there and
hit that spot. I don't want to be up in
each other's business. I know you showed me the spot,
like what are you thinking? To which I might t
which I would then be very upfront. I'd be like,
you know what I was gonna I was gonna go
up there with my boy. He already tagged out, I'm
not going to hit it this year. If you're gonna
hit this year, yeah, and then the one deal is
just let me know what you see, right, And I'll
say that to people. I'll be like, dude, go you

(01:01:39):
should check this spot, check this spot, let me know
what you run into.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
Now. Look, if we're talking public ground, that's all what
I'm talking. It's a different deal. It's all because ultimately
you can't hunt it all. Right, that's a different deal.
And I'm with you. I would I would do exactly
where you're saying. Hey, man, now I'm not telling everybody,
and maybe if I bring you to the spot, you
don't tell nobody else you if you're going up there
with your kid, like, let me know what you see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I've had people say to me, I don't go to
spots with people because I don't want to have to
then later on be like worried about that stuff. I'd
rather just find it all on my own and know
that I found it on my own and never have
to deal with any kind of weirdness.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Worse, I don't know if that's worse than owning land
and not letting people hunt it, because you're not really
sharing the resource.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I do share. I mean there's not there's not I
don't have I don't have one public land. I do
not have one public land secret that I don't that
I don't share with my circle of friends that that
that that that we network.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
How big is that circle?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
What's the initiation for that circle?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
It's big because it's spread all around, Yeah, across the country. Yeah,
it's spread all around. I mean there's probably I could
sit and list. I could probably list there's probably twenty
people that depending on what's going on, that I would
be like, oh, yeah, buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
I mean we've checked spots because we don't hunt that anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Yeah, And because it's public lands, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
I mean it's public ground that we've hunted, that we
hunted for a long time while we were busting to
have our own ground, you know. So we we pay
for a lease in a spot, and then we've you know,
we purchased some grounds. So so there's not the need
to continually stomp out public because it's not a it's
a big it's a big place, but it's not giant

(01:03:26):
compared to the pressure. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It's all I just think it's all part of it's
just all part of fun. Man. And then I'm like
way more sympathetic to kids, right if someone's trying to
get their kid into some action, We're more sympathetic to
record deals.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
If you get a record deals, there's a good chance
you can find some of our secrets out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Moving on, Uh we well we The last time you
guys are on the show, we talked about country music
and the place that like outdoor living holds within country music.
How would you guys describe that? I mean, like, sort

(01:04:06):
of the confluence is very strong. It's not it's not
a subtle connection. And I would argue that it is
like I listened to country music made from the I
don't like anything like pre mid seventies. I listened to
country music from the mid seventies to present. It has grown.
The outdoor hunting, fishing references and stuff within country has

(01:04:29):
absolutely grown in that time. Yeah, I agree to maybe
a crescendo right now.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
I think it's always going to be a part. And
you also gotta we also got to like draw a
line between like commercial music and non commercial music.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Okay, draw that line from it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
It's just just a different bit of a genre. And
I feel like those genres are kind of blending right now,
don't you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I would agree, Yeah, I don't know if if
it's if it's like more people like you know, it's
kind of a snowball effect where you know, it started
getting written about and started getting sung about and and
now people are kind of jumping onto that ship and
writing about it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Or if it's just more people are.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
Writing lifestyle music and writing what they know, and you
have more of those lifestyles coming into town trying to
do what you know, trying to write commercial songs, and
so it's a good term. More of that content is
getting put into the songs that are getting played on
the radio because more people do it, you know, it's
it's their lifestyle besides you know, not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
When you say lifestyle music, explain what you mean by
that as opposed to.

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
Faking it, as opposed to, yeah, writing about something you
don't know, me writing about New York City. You know,
I wouldn't know what If I was going to write
a song about New York City, I would have to
look up what's in Times Square because I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
I don't I hadn't spent time there.

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
I don't you know, I don't know what buildings are where,
or what little restaurants or you know, little little niche
places that are local to people that they would want
to hear that tune. But I can write a song
right now about the woods or or fishing or being
on a boat or four wheeler or you know. And
and that's what we've always taught. When we talked about that,
and and the Josh Thompson episode, it's about to me,

(01:06:18):
country music is, and writing songs is writing what you know,
and and and writing about your life. And if you know,
my life is all about my family, God and hunting
and and and so most of the songs that I'm
gonna pin out or ideas that I have, if if
they meet that space, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna

(01:06:39):
put in there something about sitting in a you know,
an oak flat in November and and watching the sun
rise while I'm sitting there waiting on a buck to
walk by, you know, because that's what I know, that's
what I love, and that's that's that's the truth of
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
You me, and a move like you're gonna play something.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
I was just thinking a lot of our songs do that,
but there are also songs like it's just like a
total smooth sex tune. You know what I mean, Like
let me hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I don't hear the sex part.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Put you gotta put the two get ready we singing this?

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
You are okay?

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
I don't have to have with the lyrics.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Ready here with the verse.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
We bent burning both in keeping the lights song. This
is not a hunting song, by the way, what we
do know a song?

Speaker 10 (01:07:41):
I bent thinking we need it a little time alone.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Three week, number one's one five.

Speaker 10 (01:07:50):
We'll just say we cancel a plane tonight. I'm morning
gonna be a man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Let's get some cana burning song.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Record all the linestyle.

Speaker 11 (01:08:05):
Taking that saying, so the way your body's moving, keep
doing what you're doing to me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Got not love song, girl, I wanta gotta heavy. Let
the passion take us to a higher please making that
kind of love.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
We mad.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Not really about the outdoors, but we.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Have outdoors songs, so I'm just saying I don't know
where they came from.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
You gotta write what you know, is what he says.
I'm trying to explain that as a commercial country writer,
you have to be versatile in the areas that you know,
So no, not all of them are Tailgate. Hey, man,
come on out, check this lifestyle out. But we also
have a lot of songs about that too.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
But it's kind of like we were talking about earlier.
It's it's it's constructing an album. And and you know,
if if I was making an album, I would want
love songs on there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I would want dad songs on there. I would like
hunting songs on there.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
You know, I wouldn't necessarily want a song about New
York City or something like that, because that's not true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
It's not my lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
We recently had Evan Felker on Uh turnpot Yeah on
the podcast right dude, well, he is love that stuff.
I was asking him about. I had some a couple
of questions about the role of the outdoors and and
his music, and I said, do you ever think to yourself, man,
I should put more I could put more hunting references in,

(01:09:39):
or I should pull him out. He says he didn't
really like the question, but eventually said that I guess
if I thought one way or the other, I think
that I could get away with putting more in. But
he said, for me, I don't make it. It's not
about that. It's just the background, Like I need people
they're doing something, so I'm not talking about the act
of doing it. I'm talking about something that's going on

(01:10:01):
in people's lives and that's just what they're doing. That's
what's happening. Yeah, So it's the backdrop of the subject.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
Which is which is the thing, because I mean, hearing
you say that, you can absolutely write I mean better together.
It was a great example of that is is you're
writing a love song that's a that's a that's a
slow tempo you to your you know, the one you love.
But it's got eight eight points in autumn, you know,

(01:10:29):
and and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
It's and it's got a yeah board board.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
So so you're seeing that, and that's that's something to
commercial songwriting in the country music. Realm two is like
painting these pictures of the life that we all lead,
but at the same time tying them into a subject
that's love or or you know, something else, whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
That's my favorite part of the trick to The favorite
thing about the thing we just played and how it's
relative is that when that song was going to radio,
three of the wives of the four people that wrote
it were pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
So it's like they had been doing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
Some of that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
And here's a little thing too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
We were actually jump we were we were.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
In Mississippi on a turkey hunt, and it was it
rained us out that morning when we wrote the song,
when we wrote half the song we started.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
We literally went down there to turkey hunt.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
We were in Camoina.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
We will don't try to step a million dollars. I
don't want to hear no turkey hunting down and from
from from meat eater. I don't want to hear nothing
about what we need to do turkey hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Yeah, we got.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Walk up and go. Man, these help sounds sound pretty
shitty over here. Don't you just don't want to even
step on the court with turkey. I've seen a couple
of those episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I stand corrected. I stand corrected. You don't need to go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Wet, dude.

Speaker 7 (01:11:51):
I got plenty I've killed plenty of I got pictures
to show you this dripping wet turkeys.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
I would I would rather write a hit song say that,
much like Reid says, he always says this, you write
what you know, and if you can blend some of
I feel like if I can get five percent of
either my upbringing or what I'm into now or whatever
into a song. I feel like, Okay, I can you know,

(01:12:17):
not all of them are one hundred percenters. You know,
this artist needs to say exactly what I'm feeling or
what I've been through in my life. It doesn't it
doesn't necessarily work that. Sometimes you're just making words rhyme.
Now a lot of the time, yeah, a lot of
the time. It's that the general idea is from a
genuine place, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
But but if you had to be.

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
A commercial writer and write two hundred songs a year
and every one of them had to be about what
you've been through?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Is that a volume that's achievable to work to touch
that songs? I mean, for us, you'll touch that many songs.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
Well, I mean there have been years, not now, but
at the in the in the grind, in the early
probably first five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I mean, I mean you write at least three songs
a week. There's fifty two weeks that.

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
In a year. I mean that's one hundred and sixty ish.
I mean I'm confronted that a yeah, yeah, I mean so.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
But I mean, like me, I have a nine year
catalog at Sony where I've been the first five of those.
I was writing five days a week, sometimes two times
a day. And what my point is, the well will
run dry on your experiences, which is why you need
co wrotes, you need other influences, you need Hey, he
needs a song in this realm. Otherwise you're just writing.

(01:13:30):
It just absolutely melts your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
There's a question I have that's more interesting to me
than it is to any of the songwriters. I've asked
this question too, would be you'll produce a Let's say
you produce a song here like sit in Nashville.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Produce is a weird that that'd be a weird term
though you said to create something. Yeah, uh, just clearing
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
So here you are, like you guys grew up in
the broader area. You grew up in the region, right, Yeah,
you're working out in Nashville, Tennessee, and you're and you're
working with a You're working with some outdoor know how
that would be known here, but might not even be
broadly known to other outdoorsmen outside of the country. Meeting

(01:14:35):
I know outdoorsmen that if I said, like, I know
guys in Alaska, for instance, older guys in Alaska. If
I said I got a nice eight on camera, They're
not gonna know what I meant, really, because they don't
they're not in they don't do trail cameras. They don't
traffic in the lingo a nice eight. Now, if you
said I got a nice eight point buck on my

(01:14:56):
trail camera, they'd piece that together, but they might not
meet recognize that. So but and that's even some hu familiar.
So the thing that I'm always curious about with songwriting
is here in Nashville, you're exporting music around the world.
People around the world are listening to the music you produce.
But then you have these references. There are no way

(01:15:18):
references that are no way going to be understood, right
because for them to be legitimate, they're like insider references. Sure,
I asked about this point. We're talking about like a
Johnson outboard. Now, if you if you went to most
people on the street and you asked them, hey, name
some outboard companies who makes outboard, They're gonna be like, well,
Honda makes outboards, Yamaha makes outboards, Evan Rude makes aullboards.

(01:15:38):
No one around now is gonna say Johnson's right. But
there's a there's a great reason to use that because
it's it's it's it's it brings reminiscent nostalgic. Right, It's
like a certain type of person is going to have
and know that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
I ask you this, when was when do you feel
like Johnson was the one?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Like? When?

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
What listener?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Like? What year?

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
Section?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I'm talking about specific demographic here. I was born in
nineteen seventy four, and we spent the eighties trying to
keep a Johnson ten running.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
See, I was born in nineteen eighty three, and when
we had Johnson's So between seventy what did you say?
How old are you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Like? One hundred and fifty? Right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
So between that age and like my age, we know
that that was the one in there. So when you
think about demographics, I would say probably the people who
are listening to that, That's why I clicked in them,
is because most of them were. We're seeing that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
And you kind of get two birds today it'd be
a tatsu, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
But it doesn't sound good though exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:16:41):
Which is part of that's part of the thing too.
But you're getting that, you're getting two things with one word.
There is you're you're painting that picture of a motor
on the back of the boat, which most people would get,
and that's they would listen to that lyric and then
going to the next one. Or you get the guy
who was trying to keep a Johnson Owen for ten
years and that immediately clicks and he's stuck there, you know,

(01:17:04):
and that takes him back to man, probably some of
the best days of his life.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
So kind of like boxing too. It's like you hit
with a left and then there's a line right after that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:12):
Yeah, and some guys, some guys might dodge that right
hook that's coming, or some guys might get knocked out
by hook.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
So you kind of thanks man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
I asked Evan Felker about his use of a Belgium okay,
a Belgium brown So that's like, you know, I brought
that up. Then all kinds of people wrote in, I
can't believe Renilda doesn't know about the Belgium made brownings.
My old man thought he had a Belgium made browning,
so and he got it. So when my maternal grandfather died,

(01:17:43):
my dad took possession of his browning A five, which
my dad mistakenly thought was a Belgium made Browning, which
meant something to him and didn't mean anything to anyone
around him. But then here it's a reference like he's
holding it understanding you're gonna wind up. You have a
reference that people aren't gonna know what you're talking about. Yeah,

(01:18:05):
for sure, a lot of people like it. Not you
have a reference that a lot of people it's con overhead.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Yeah, but some of us there's also some some interest
in having people just try to figure it out to right,
like go dive in there and see see what. Like, Okay,
let me ask you this. The fact that it's not
Belgium made, does that take anything away from you owning
the good Yoh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah, because I had been raised to think that it
was great. And then we looked up the serial number and.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
We're like, does it say made in Belgium.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
No, there's all these there's all these ways you could
have known if you knew, But no, we just looked up.
There's a serial number, look up and you tell where
it was manufactured.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
After it went to mind says made in Belgium.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Oh, well that means it didn't. I don't know why
he thought it did. I don't know where it's at
right now. Probably in my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Well, you don't even care anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
No, I do care. I had I tried to shoot
it for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
You're saying you'd care more if it was a Belgium.

Speaker 6 (01:18:55):
That's what I'm saying. What it means more to you
if it's Belgium made.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, but I wouldn't be able to tell you why
they're better. But either way it didn't work good. Maybe
it feels Beltgiman who worked good didn't cycle. It wouldn't
cycle anything, wouldn't cycle anything.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
I think too though, going back to the reference.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
Thing is the front of our minds in a writing
country music, and it might be different for La pop
writers or New York writers writing pop songs. Like we
write country music, commercial country music with the country listener
at the front of our mind.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
God, so like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
We're gonna use the lingo that the South is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Pick up on?

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
Can I just interjectateor like without even knowing, you just
clicked my brain into songwriting mode and I didn't even
hear the last thirty seconds of what we were talking
about because you said I wouldn't be able to tell
you why, and that's a great hook, Like I wouldn't
be able to tell you why, and you can. Immediately
my brain went, oh, man, why I love you? Why
I don't love you? Why I fell out of love

(01:19:56):
you with you while I fell in love with you.
I'm not able to tell you why. Why did we
break up? I don't know. I'm not able to tell
you why. Like it just doesn't turn off as soon
as something hits that, you're like, man, And then I
started thinking, well, who would be somebody that could sing that?
And you start running artists through your brain. Then you go, well,
does this guy need that or is it already cleared up?
Is he already cut? And he's not cutting from another

(01:20:17):
two years? So knock that guy out? Who's the next
guy on the list? And that all that happened within
the last thirty seconds. Because you said he's hard to
follow a conversation. Well, I started to bring my to
take my phone down to my phone and I was like, nah,
Katie sitting right beside me, show sure that that would
be rude. Just sacrifice that idea if anybody writes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Well, nobody wrote that right that before this, here's one that's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Good for you. It's my favorite quote.

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Hey wait, I don't know if I want you to
say it on here because then everybody could know because
we'll just write it before this comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
That's a great.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
Quote, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I was explaining to him.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
He God, do you think it's gonna be good?

Speaker 11 (01:20:52):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
This is good. No, I see you're saying that, but
we know whether it is what they all say. I
wasn't good. I wouldn't be telling you. I wouldn't have
it written. Favorite quote. Yeah, they also I got favorite
quotes I got somebody wouldn't say in their go ahead. Yeah,
he said. I was explaining something hint to him about manufacturing,
and manufacturing is his business. He manufactures in a different
sector in the sector of manufacturing I was talking about

(01:21:14):
and I was telling him like, well, everybody knows you
can't blank, to which he says, I don't know why
that's not true, but that's not true.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
Pretty good. It's better than my dad's. My dad's was
working for the weekend, So I'll take that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
One, bro, Dad's dads are better. When he doesn't even
know he's saying.

Speaker 6 (01:21:30):
Them, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
My mom's like, my mom will come up.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
With a great idea to tell you, and you can
write that. Dad's like, hey, man, listen.

Speaker 7 (01:21:37):
I woke up last night with an incredible thought working
for the weekend, and I'm like, okay, well and then
he starts telling me what he did yesterday and I'll
get four US song ideas out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Yeah, what what songwriters do you guys like?

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
I'm a big Tony Lane fan. Oh man, Yeah, there's
a lot we don't like too.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
I mean we've had tell me yeah, I mean I
didn't put a negative. Yeah, we had him, We had
him on the podcast and he'll have his episode out.
But you know, Casey bethard Is is the goat man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Now? Is it like? You like them? The ones you like?
You like them lyrically, you like them because the melody
that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
I mean I say this all the time. We write
with a lot of people. We know, we've met a
lot of people, and songwriters to me are the most entertaining,
coolest individuals on earth because there's always there's usually a
sense of humbleness because the town kicked them in the
teeth for ten to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Years old when they were trying to be a performer.

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
For sure, they figured the thing out or just.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
A songwriter, yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 6 (01:22:41):
Figured the thing out and then and then their stuff
started hitting, and they stayed true to what they are,
regardless of what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Yeah, and I think with most of them.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
Man, now that we've moved to town and we've met
a lot of the guys that a lot of the
guys that were writing the songs that we'd love growing
up up, you know, we've met some of those cats,
and and it's it's everything. It's it's who they are
as a person. It's it's their their story that you
they tell you and you can see where these songs
came from. And it's the lyrics and the stories and

(01:23:13):
the songs, and it's the way they sing them in
the melody and all of it. It's it's all those
things that make you love somebody's work, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
Now, I'd say, man, there they're they're major guys, like
I mean, Whalen, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Know, Christopherson, Yeah, uh, Johnny Cash.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
I mean, all these people wrote songs, but there are
also people behind the curtains that are that are so
important to the genre that a lot of people never see.
And those people and a lot of those writers don't
want you to see them. They want to stay. And
I segue I also think That's what's great about what
the podcast that we're doing is we're able to bring
a light to those people without just completely exploiting them.

(01:23:52):
You know. It's it's it's more of a like a
respect issue and and saying that, hey, these guys earn
their stripes as well. There are guys like Casey Bether,
Josh Thompson, Bryce Long, the people that we've had on,
the people that we plan to have on, who just
live behind that curtain and.

Speaker 7 (01:24:06):
Yeah, and grew up just like everybody else, like same
stories as we all got about in are.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Absolute masterful wordsmith, What is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
The general trajectory? You just use the term move to town,
ten year town, baby, I guess that means that, like
you moved to Nashville. What's the general trajectory.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Ten year town, ten town, whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Cause, I mean it's and for me it was, but
tell tell me from you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
So I moved. I moved here in oh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Eight because of what I mean, I know why, But like,
how did you go?

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
Now was my now is? I had a band. I
had a funk country band. We played but we played
Stevie Wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
We played Jamie Davis and soul gravy.

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
Dan was the soul gravy got it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
What what did I just do?

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
Somebody likes to say I was the gravy and I
don't know why they say that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Do you no me either? So we had this band
and like you're the good thing that they put on
top of something.

Speaker 8 (01:24:59):
I think it's geez.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
Jordan just why'd you look at my stomach when she
said wait?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
Uh, anyway, we we we were getting these we I
didn't know it, but we were actually getting the run,
the Nashville like run, like possibly signing us as a band,
and they were putting us with different riders.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
We didn't know it. Well, we were talking to me
like I'm five years old.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
Well, we were essentially babies in the industry and didn't
know that this could even be a career. Right, So
when our band starts getting the frontman Jamie, who's one
of my best buddies, and then me, we're coming up
here and doing the co writes with with they were
they were using their leverage to get us into rooms

(01:25:46):
that we didn't necessarily even deserve on the possibility that
we might be a signed band.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
But they is who the business, whether that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Be a manager, a manager, B and my uh and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
You guys had your band was where based out of
North Mississippi. So you started getting some tracks, start getting
so you get some invites to work on stuff. There
you go yep.

Speaker 6 (01:26:06):
And as that starts happening, we kind of realized, like
we don't want to necessarily be that upfront band right
Like it was fun, but I don't want to I
never wanted to do that. I always wanted to be
a songwriter, a back like harmony singer, a company guitarist.
I never had. I never had ambitions for the Light.
Reid grew up under us and his band and I

(01:26:27):
mean having little bands and stuff. My favorite story about
him is when when we started, I was I was
traveling with his band, just kind of helping. And then
when a big run of shows came in on the
week on the starting date of both season me and
Dad I told him I couldn't go. I said, me
and Dad are going to deer Camp. He was like what.

(01:26:49):
I was like, Yeah, we're going to deer Camp. He's like, Oh,
if y'all think y'all are leaving me on the road
while y'all go to deer camp, it's out hung up
the phone, canceled all the gigs and never played in
another one.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
And here's my Here's I'm I'm gonna be real vulnerable
with this. But my it was never my dream to
do this. It was never my dream to write songs.
I had a dream to perform like because I always did.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
I grew up in church. My dad was a Baptist
pastor still is and I sang. I was the front man.

Speaker 7 (01:27:17):
I sang every Sunday two and three times standing ovations,
Let's sing it again, like I alway, that was my
I grew up doing that, and so I felt like
I had a My dream was to perform to big
audiences and crowds and then moving here. And I didn't
move here on the on the base to do that.
I moved here because dam was like, hey man, you

(01:27:39):
need to come do this like And I was in
school at ut Knoxville, chased a girl up there, terrible decision,
got some great song ideas out of it, but filled
physics twice and was kind of sitting.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
I was actually at their show. I was literally Jamie.
It was on Christmas break.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
It was on Christmas break Mississippi and my girlfriend at
the time, sorry, I'm sorry Joean for talking about a
girlfriend time. But my girlfriend at the time called me.
She goes, hey, you failed physics again. She was like,
what are you gonna do? And I was like, ex girlfriend,
how did she know she took dude, because she signed
me up from my classes. I didn't even know what
credits were in college. Bro, Like she just did everything

(01:28:18):
because that and that's how like, I just didn't know
what I wanted to do. And she was like, you
feel physics for a second time. You're not getting into
med school?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
And I was.

Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
I was having a good time in Cupolo, Misissippi, sitting
on a park bench outside this club where they were
playing this song and I was kind of looking up.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
She goes, what are you gonna do? And me and
Dan had been like, dude, you got to move to Nashville.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
We write from you know, three to eleven, We three
or four days a week. We get to travel. And
I and I was sitting there my part bitch and
I told her. I was like, I think I think
I'm moving to Nashville. She was like, what what are
you going to do in Nashville. I was like, I
don't know, I'm gonna sing and write songs. We broke
up that night on the phone on that part bench
atu below. I walked inside, this was going down.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
I went through.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
I'm like, I'm like slithering my way through this crowd
of people, who are you know, singing every Jamie Davis song,
these cover songs, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Get to the front and I went Dan and.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
I'm like, dang.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
People call me spans Cat. What I went?

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
I went? I went, I'm moving to Nashville.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
People call me the gangster of I'm like, what do
I fell.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Minute again and I just broke up with my girlfriend.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
I'm like, oh sick, all right, let me finish this.
I kind of got a thing going. I'll get back
to you in a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
And that was it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
That was it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
I moved that semester. At the end of that semester,
I moved to town.

Speaker 7 (01:29:28):
We started writing some songs for my project, and we
got a band going. We went out and played some shows,
and I quickly found out that that's not what I
wanted to do. I had fallen in love with with
writing music in the room and hearing other people sing
those songs, but being gone, I'm a homebody and there
ain't no way that my dad and my brother are
gonna be grilling real biz's at Deer Camp in the

(01:29:51):
fall when I'm out here grinding my ass off on
a tour bus, you know, twenty two hours a day,
just enjoying the hour and a half if I'm on
stage and I found out that that wasn't for me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
And if you enjoy the twenty two hours but you
hate the hour and a half you're on stage, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
In a predicament too, because because well, they don't pay
you to play it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
I feel like.

Speaker 8 (01:30:15):
Josh Thompson's episode is a great answer to that question
because he talks about that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
Yeah yeah, Josh is a great example of that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
The guy moved to town, got a record deal, did
the thing, hated it, man hated it, but loved writing
songs and loved being at home because you still get
to scratch that creative itch that you have within those
walls of a writing room, but don't have to be
away from your family and you know, do the grind
that is being a recording artist in Nashville.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
Speaking of which I've had a creative itch ever since
we ate that deer that the k.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Yeah, well money, talk to your.

Speaker 6 (01:30:50):
Town dude, all I'm saying is, as you come to
the town as a writer, essentially, what what you go
through is finding your people first off, trying to get in.
However you can get in a lot of the times,
that's writers rounds where there's this confluence of people who
are trying to all get to the same place, and
they end up co writing and writing maybe a song

(01:31:13):
that gets picked up by a smaller artist or a
larger artist, or maybe they get an album cut on something,
and then all of a sudden, a publishing company comes
snooping and goes, hey, we see that you're friends with
who artists X, and it looks like you have four
or five on his record and he just got a
record deal, which immediately means there's going to be income
on those songs. So we would like to take a

(01:31:33):
chance on you, and even though you don't have enough
money to quit your day job as a pizza pizza
delivery guy, we like to give you a substantial amount
of income substantial, okay, a minimal source of income in
order to make your bill so that you can write
full time. And when that happens, they usually end up

(01:31:54):
giving a large portion of their publishing to that in
order to get off the ground, which is what happened
with both of us, which is kind of the play, right,
And so once you get in there and you start
writing songs, it's like, man, if I can just keep
doing this and get a cut here, a cut there,
then make them their money back, then all of a sudden,
there's longevity in what I'm doing, and over the court
that entire process, it's just been proven. I mean, now, look,

(01:32:18):
there is absolutely people who move to town and have
a hit within six months of being here. But the
majority of people that come here, learn the craft, get
their teeth kicked in, have a bye to success.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Stay uncomfortable for a long amount of time.

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
Yeah, and end up crying in a parking lot in
their car when they hear their song on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Is a is a major's store.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
There's a lot of similarities between book publishing, Oh my god, yeah,
and writers in New York that that we know and
people that have like some people at their first book,
it's like New York Times bestseller. We have friends that
have done that, and then friends that have written for
twenty years and you know, love it, stay with it
and might find success later on. But it's it's yeah,

(01:33:05):
there's a I think that's the thing that I love
about this podcast that you guys have so lovingly put together,
is that I don't know a lot about country music.
Like I'm learning about country music really through this podcast.
I don't. I'm not super passionate about hunting myself. I'm
very happy that our family has involved in it the

(01:33:27):
way that we are. But I feel like I can
relate to the episodes that I've been able to listen
to because of the personal journeys, because of the stories.
There's a there's similarities to other, you know, individuals in
their own path that I find a lot of resonance in.
And you know, I was listening to one of the

(01:33:47):
early episodes, one of the edits with our oldest Jimmy
on the way to school, and I think I texted
you guys about this. He was like, this is my
favorite Meet Eater podcast. I was like, you better watch out.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
But I get it. I mean, I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
And wait, I'm curious as to why he said that,
and I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Trying to get.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Yeah, just like, man, you laugh a lot listening to
your podcast, you guys, I think obviously your brothers.

Speaker 8 (01:34:19):
They won't brag on themselves, but I will brag on them.
But I think something that also makes it really great
is these guys lived on a houseboat for four years
before I mean these ten years at the ten Year Town.
For four of those years they lived on a houseboat together.
They caught their dinner off the back deck of the boat,
They washed their clothes in the y m c a gym,

(01:34:39):
in the gym locker room. Facts like all these things.
And I think whenever people come, they're human, and they're
very relatable to a lot of these people that are
coming in here to tell their stories, and everybody that
sat down on this couch with them, I think connects
with them on a human level. And the conversations that
have happened thus far have been very prett much. Everybody

(01:35:00):
that's come in here has told a story that hasn't
been told and on any other platform, because it's they're
being interviewed by their buddies who share a very similar experience.
They're not being interviewed on the Today Show, if that
makes sense. And I think that that's really what has
made it such a cool thing and will continue to
make it a cool thing because you guys are just dudes,

(01:35:21):
and you grind.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
You're still grinding. I mean, they're still so far to go.

Speaker 8 (01:35:24):
And I don't know, I just feel like people, everyone
that's come in here so far, it's been very like human,
even top Hall of Fame songwriters have come in here
and Ben Haslip talking about owning the hat company and
grinding out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
I just think it's been really cool and it's going
to be cool for fans to see that as well.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
I was extremely nervous about knowing too much about the business,
you know, to come in and talk about it day
in and day out, Like how boring does that get?
You know? But what's been beautiful is what you're saying,
is having a platform to where people can just come
in and just tell stories, like because that's essentially all

(01:36:04):
songwriter is a really great storyteller, you know. Yeah, and
finding a way to put that to music.

Speaker 7 (01:36:08):
And every journey, every journey to Nashville, moving to town,
or you know, the journey from from a songwriter's young
life to loving country music to get in here to
actually doing it is. Yeah, there are similarities within it,
but man, they're so unique and those stories that come out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Of that well of of stories are some of the
best that I think you can hear, because, like Dan said,
I mean, that's their job.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
Our job is to is to tell a story in
such a way and to paint it in such a
way that you want to listen to it over and
over and over and over. And we're getting those from
from the from the best of the best.

Speaker 6 (01:36:45):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
So how deep is the well? I mean very deep?

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
And the reason the well is deep is because you
go through those times and and I can. I mean
people ask me all the time, when did you start writing?
And I was, like, man, third grade first, as soon
as I could literally write, like I had to, that
was my way of expressing myself. And I remember I
remember dealing with like I mean, I was a big

(01:37:11):
football player, you know. And I remember like I couldn't shore,
I couldn't share with anybody my writing because that was
too effeminate for who I was. I was a football player.
I was a deer killer man I was we were
we were catching fish. I couldn't be no poet, you
know what I mean. I didn't have a place, didn't
have a place, took buddies occasionally, but the whole point

(01:37:34):
being is that, like I always wrote, I always expressed myself.
And until I figured out that if you put those
poems to music you could get chicks, I was like, oh,
maybe I need to learn how to play guitar in
order to do that. And then this whole.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
What were you're writing poems? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
Yeah, And just like my mom even talks about, you know,
if I liked a girl or something, I would journal
like about the thing, Like you know, it's just kind
of like it's it was embarrassing at the time though
now it's something that I'm I'm proud I did, but
at the time it was like, man, I can't let
him know that I'm I'm one hundred and fifty five pounds.

(01:38:13):
I can't be journaling, dude. I got dudes to knock
over in pee wee football. Man. I was in fourth grade,
away one forty five. You know, I couldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
A little sassy guy.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Man. I had to go you know, making words rhyme dude. Yeah, Man,
the time for that, that's weak. But it was always
in us and music was always in read and that's
why I didn't have any trouble with going, Hey, dude,
you got to come check this out. Man, It's been
in you since birth. You've been singing like a bird
since you were seven.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:38:40):
I didn't write much when I was little, but I
sang constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
In church everywhere, which is one which which church.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
Hasn't changed. I mean you said it earlier. It's like
melody is more of your things that's to wear. There
is more minded. It never really changed, it just kind
of matured. So his strength is that I feel like
my stream, I'm not. We do this all the time. Yeah, yeah,
eventually after ten years you kind of learn things to take.

(01:39:10):
You want it spicy, you want it sweet, you want
it mild. I mean there's you know, and there's different
chilis for different people. And sometimes you want it spicy,
which is why you might go with a bomb, you know.
Sometimes you want it smooth, which you might go sometimes
you just want it sweet to feel good. So that

(01:39:33):
has a different feeling, you know. It's like there's there's
so many.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Different figures at a chili bar right now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
I'm just saying, different riders are different spices, and they
bring different tastes, if you will, to the music. And
the business knows that the business knows, and that's why
you have multiple companies pairing different people with with with
different people, because this guy might sound like this and
this guy sounds like this, but together they taste this
great and this guy needs that taste.

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
Well, that's why you don't have the same song. The
same song will be written a lot, but in a
lot of different ways, you know. And and that's where
you get that is just the melting pot of of
life and lifestyles that you have working in these houses
on Music Row every day.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Yeah, so hit me with, hit me with a like
an episode of God's Country is going to cover what?

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
Mhmm it's gonna I mean, do.

Speaker 6 (01:40:25):
We have an answer to this? I feel like Jordans
or Katie should.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Answer this Hot topics kind of kick it off with
hot topics.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
We just kind of get on there and talk. I
don't really know that there's actually.

Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
A formert no, I mean intro with whatever news depending
on who's sitting in the seat, kind of going into
their upbringing their story to Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
I feel like it's a pretty common theme performer.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
What do you guys call them? The artists artists with
the writers are artists, So writers and artists, songwriters. Is
a recording artist. There you some of them. Some of
the artists are writers too. Don't put me in a spot.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
D We get into a lot of of of backstory
of and kind of the way the podcast has gone
so far is is it almost is like the front
of the front half of it is is kind of
getting the letting the artists express himself and how he
grew up and where his passions come from, where where
they spawned from, why why he loves fishing, why he
loves hunting, And then that that move to town is

(01:41:23):
is kind of been a been a common theme and
and and and but like and that's what I said,
Like there's common similarities with these stories coming out of
your journey, but they're all so different, you know. And
and then the back half of that podcast usually is
about their time in town and and how their ten
year process or their two year process, or the story

(01:41:44):
about the best story they've got behind a single, their
first single, or what it felt like sitting in a
parking lot here in your song on the radio for
the first time and crying your eyes out and then
calling everybody in your phone, you know, to to congratulate
you or whatever you know, it's it's it's really like
it's a backdrop in a in a in a lining,
the curtain open to see behind the doors of what

(01:42:04):
goes on in Nashville on a day to day basis.

Speaker 6 (01:42:06):
And usually the trouble we've been having not trouble, but
the thing we've been running into is people get on
here and all they want to talk about is hunting,
and we have to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Go, Okay, let's move it, so you move to town,
you know? Anyway? About this book?

Speaker 6 (01:42:19):
Man, I've been chasing him for three years and he's
hidden on you know, which makes it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
My appetite to talk about writing is I'll talk about
writing now and then same not not excited about that subject.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
Nope, been doing it a minute. And once you get
to that point, and I understand people want to know
about it, you know, but I even feel like we
talked about it too long on this podcast already the
ten year town.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
Wait, you guys, you got to talk about the one
that got away that segment.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Didn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Who was?

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
Who was?

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
You'll have a good that's become a that's become a thing.

Speaker 6 (01:42:54):
You'll probably explain it too much, but you have a
good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That's become a thing we do. At the end of
the podcast, we asked to questions.

Speaker 7 (01:43:00):
We asked the artists or songwriter whoever we're interviewing, what
their favorite, what they think their favorite, and we kind
of we kind of phrase it differently.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I guess it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
I just burped on microphone what your favorite country song
is or what you think is the best written country song.
And so we've gotten all across the you know, we've
gotten and it's not even country songs, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Or is it country songs?

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
We've kept country songs.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
We do that, and then we do yeah, a thing
called the one that Got Away, and we tell them
it could be a girl, it could be most of
them are married or a guy. You know, if it's
a female that we have on but most of them
a married. Never to touch that subject, but it's usually
a deer, a fish, or you know, something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:43):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
And that's that's a That's a really cool part because
we kind of go into it in an unexpected way
where it kind of catches them off guard and they all,
you know, tell an.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Interesting and sometimes it catches them off guard because we
don't tell them we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
To do it. We're like, oh, by the way, Uh,
you guys talked about ten year town. Where you at
on the tenure cycle? What happens in ten years is
up everything? You mean, it's all done.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
You just buy ground and don't let anybody hunt it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Oh, so that's that's on the ten years at I
mean for some of us, where are you at on
the ten year cycle? You gotta be through. But I'm still.

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
On the I'm still on the bottom side of ten
my Yeah it was. I mean I moved sneaking up
on them.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Yeah, I'm getting there because I moved to town.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Only a couple of years behind me. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:44:26):
I actually think I'm at nine because I moved to
town two thousand. Like, got to town doing trying to
you know, I was moving furniture in the day and
then writing songs at night, trying to grind and and
I guess that was twenty fifteen was and then I
got my first publishing deal in two thousand and six.

Speaker 6 (01:44:42):
But I'm gonna say something that early season grind is
what is what deepens that well you're talking about I mean,
not to talk about how hard we had it or
how bad we had it, because we we found a
way to make it work. I died of deer meat
and crappie ain't too bad, honestly. I mean it is
when you eat with Delmonti corn six nights a week.

Speaker 7 (01:45:02):
But yeah, Tibet, you can also get twelve rolls at
cracker barrel.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
I don't know if biscuits.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
We used to just just take four dollars, go to
the cracker barrel. We lived from fourteen biscuits, bring them back,
jelly them jokers, and eat it. We'd eat deer eating
biscuit like every morning until we ran.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
We got some sick of those things.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Man, and uh we I mean you have to have
the hustle too, Like it's not just moving here and
waiting ten years and then all of a sudden you
can have a little Biscus says that you've got to
be applying major hustle to this thing. My my hustle
was I worked at a moving company, and then I

(01:45:44):
did that for a long time. I had a meeting
with a guy up here who was in the publishing business.
I saw softball bats leaning in the corner of his office.
So on my way out of that office, I said, hey, man,
where does he play softball at the lady at the
front told me, I looked into that place. I got
a job umpiring at those softball fields. So I would
work in the box truck during the day, I would change.

(01:46:07):
I would go in the back of the back box truck,
changing my umpire and outfit go work an umpire gig
until about eleven and one night I was I had
worked there and I ran into him. He was like,
what are you doing out here? What are you talking about? Man,
I'm hustling, dude, I'm trying to pay my bills. And
he was like, but don't you work, but you told
me you worked on a box truck. I was like, yeah,
I work on a box truck in my umpire. He
was like, man, if somebody's hustling that hard, I got

(01:46:28):
time for him, come see me. Went so on really
went and sawing cutting it. He said, I need five
demos of these songs. I borrowed five hundred dollars for
my sister and seven fifty for my granddad RP Days
pudd You know what I'm saying, appreciation less appreciation, And
I went and cut demos with my band. I took
him to him, he held him nine months. And in
those nine months, I had my phone on a charger.

(01:46:50):
Every single day I would look. I was constantly the
anxiety that was living in my gut. Knowing he had
those fine songs and we're about to make a decision
on him was like, I mean, like having coals. I mean,
I was just my stomach. I was in nots for
nine months. He finally calls back. It's like, hey man,
we're ready to talk to you about a deal after
nine months. And that is how every day that that happens,

(01:47:13):
will that well, it's just going deeper and deeper and deeper.
And now when somebody comes to town and they go,
hey man, I'm just in a rough spot man, Like
I want this music stuff to work, but I got
stuff I want to do at home, and I'm missing
Deer season because I'm out here grinding playing to thirty
people that don't care about my music. I can go,
I know exactly what you're talking about. How about this idea?

(01:47:35):
Does this hit?

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
You?

Speaker 6 (01:47:36):
Absolutely? Tell me some stuff about what you're doing, and
then we find a way to construct something marketable out
of what out of slash person slash personal. And that's
what I think people get the misconception about us as
commercial writers. They think we're just up here faking everything.
It's not that. It's finding a way to make your

(01:47:57):
story relatable to a common listener, as well as making
it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
But you're selling your struggles to other people, man, which
has got to hurt down.

Speaker 6 (01:48:06):
Then at the beginning, a little what's the check comes
in doesn't hurt that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
It's a little bit of pride when uh, just a
final thought, when you're talking about the going to the
cracker breath, get the biscuits. When when I enrolled at
Lakespeare State University, in your little enrollment packet was this
fifty percent off at Taco Bell. Oh baby. So we called.
I was my brother Danny, and we called over there

(01:48:34):
and uh, We're like, hey, is there a is that
a limit? We all know? And I said, can you?
And so we ordered fifty soft tacos and fifty bean britles.
We said, just don't put any lettuce in there, and
I said, you come by and pick them up tomorrow.
So we went down there, put them in a freezer.
We would be going hunting in the morning or whatever.
We'd always take those out of the freezer and set

(01:48:55):
them up in the turn the heater on. Oh yeah,
man on the windshield and Layman, that little cracking too.

Speaker 6 (01:49:02):
Bad honestly them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Yeah, it's not really too bad. Yeah, I'm so far
from that now, But you're right, stuff madters Man.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
Yeah, we we. I think I think it's endless. I
think there. I don't think it'll ever run dry, just
based upon yeah, the work we put it to get
to this place, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Yeah, and not saying that we live, but the life
we live man.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
You know, I think that will continues to grow deeper
because we're having kids and and and we're we're teaching
our kids how to hunt and thinking about the days
and of getting to you know, bring them on our
land that we don't take anybody on and letting them
shoot deer and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
They'll they'll maybe get a lease or something.

Speaker 8 (01:49:45):
If a big buck is on camera and Ben's old
enough to hunt, we've already touched.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
He's gonna, I mean. And that's part of the reason
I locked it up was for my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
To be able to do that for sure. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, Really not a bad guy.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
I'm not a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Great guys, great guys, for real, great guys, uh Dan
and reed Is both join them and continue the exploration
of of country music and the outdoors and songwriting and
performing at God's Country Podcast, available now. And you guys
know that that this year we're only using for our outro.

(01:50:25):
We used to license outro music. We don't need more.
We quit. It seems like, oh, it's interesting say that.

Speaker 7 (01:50:32):
It's almost like somebody put got a outro.

Speaker 6 (01:50:35):
It's almost like somebody amount of planned for this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
You got an outro since we can't we're not licensing
any music anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
Yeah, it's almost like, you know, you, what did you write?
What did you say in the email that the song.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
A song called big huge Giant Bugs.

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
We do that. I took it as like a all right.
I took it as a challenge actually when you rout it,
because I feel like that was a bit sarcastic. You
know what was big huge show bucks. No, like, this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Is for you, Steve, you gotta do it.

Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
We get up in the morning at the crack dog,
grab our gun, put our first slide on stownble to
the stand waiting in the coat watching.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
That song rise, like, ain't no way we can love
it anymore. We do it because we got it.

Speaker 11 (01:51:50):
We do it all for the huge chain bus town
gates down on the back of the trucks riding through town,
like we don't give away with a big, huge giant.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
In buck Well.

Speaker 11 (01:52:08):
Them folks Southwest love the chase, big el hitting New
Maddam's a giving on hell, But what does for us?

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Saint Anne Low? Is it big corn sheep from Moose?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Hell?

Speaker 11 (01:52:20):
No, it's big huge chine bus tailgate down on the
back of our trucks riding through town, like we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:52:29):
Give away with a big, huge giant in buss.

Speaker 11 (01:52:32):
I said, it's big huge giant bush tailgates down on
the back of our truck right through town, like we
don't give away provice with our big huge giant in bun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:53:00):
On the way end, big deal brought on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
I knew it had to have. It needed a song.
I haven't said.

Speaker 6 (01:53:05):
It is so long.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
There it is bro big huge giant box.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
There you go there, take it, learn it big.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Not just huge giant, big huge giant box. All right,
Everybody God's Country Podcast, Thanks for listening.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
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