September 11, 2023 • 52 mins
Chris reveals why "pulling a Mesnick" became the most dramatic moment ever seen on The Bachelor.
Plus, in dramatic fashion, Chris apologizes to Jason and Molly…find out why.
For the first time, Molly talks about watching Jason propose to Melissa from her hotel room window.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison here in the home office in Austin, Texas,
and I have a great show for you today because
it's a show that you have asked for, that many
of you have asked for, and that is sitting down
and talking to Jason Mesnik and his wife Molly. Jason
(00:23):
and Molly, who were on the show, met on the
show in easily one of the most infamous and yes,
dramatic moments ever. When people would ask me, you know,
as I often got asked in interviews or what have you,
even on the street, when people would say, okay, dramatic guy,
(00:43):
what really is the most dramatic moment ever in the
history of the show. I would always say it was Jason,
Molly and Melissa. If you don't know Jason Mesnick was on,
I believe it was the fourth season of The Bachelorette
Deanna pappas he got to the finals of that season,
the final two. I think it was him and a
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guy named Jesse Sinsak who ended up with Dianna for
a short amount of time. But if you remember, and
if not, I know you have to go back in
the in the black and white footage, but Jason was
preparing to get down on one knee and proposed to
Deanna when she stopped him, and she sent him home,
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and he later became our fourteenth bachelor. This is back
in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
so this is a while ago. You know, It's funny.
In my mind, I remember Jason is the infancy of
the show in very early days. But in preparing for
this podcast with Jason Andmaly today, it struck me that
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it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine.
The show began in two thousand and two, so we
were seven years into it. I felt so young. And
when I mean I felt young, I just mean my
innocence and maybe the show's innocence and my involvement in
the show was young, and it hadn't been fully baked yet,
(02:12):
I guess. And so when this moment happened, when we
got to the end of the season, Jason became the bachelor,
and it was a great season. It was kind of
a you know, we always have a theme, right, it
was the Sleepless in Seattle. He's from Seattle. We even
rented the house. It's not a houseboat, but it's you
know the houses that are on the water there in Seattle.
(02:32):
We rented one of those like that like you see
in the movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Brian and
his son. Tie was kind of a part of the show.
And at the time I will talk about this, but Tie,
I think was four or five years old, and so
you know, we had a single dad, which was a
first for us as well. It was very emotional and
Jason was really you know, he wore his heart on
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his sleeve. What you see is what you get with him,
which is why I enjoy talking to him. But his
season came down to Melissa and Mollie, and at the
end of the day in New Zealand, where his finale was,
he chose Melissa, and quickly things unraveled. It didn't go well,
(03:16):
and that's when Jason said, I would like another shot
with Mollie. In my heart, I want to be with Molly.
So you have to kind of put in perspective when
I say this was the most dramatic moment of all time.
This had never happened before. This was new in reality TV.
It was new for the Bachelor and Bacheorette. I had
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never experienced anything like this. The producers, the creators, the executives,
nobody had dealt with anything like this before. And when
you're dealing with a first it's crazy because you're just
trying to You're trying to make good TV, of course,
but you're trying to do what's right. You're trying to
make everybody happy. You're trying to actually make this work
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because it behooves us to actually make it work, but
you're trying to do it also in dramatic fashion for television.
And so I'll never forget that day when we went
to shoot the show and we kept everybody sequestered, so
no one really had a chance to see each other
or talk except for when they came on stage and
we taped the show no audience, which I did love.
(04:23):
But what I found interesting is, you know, when I
say I felt like I wasn't fully baked as a host,
as a producer, I really was taking my cues from
those above me. I wasn't maybe I wasn't strong enough
independent enough at that time to dictate how the show
would go. Whereas later in further seasons, as we went
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further and further, even like with Ari and his big switch.
I was able to control that situation and help Ari.
I actually talked to him off the air. I would
counsel him and make sure this is what you want
to do, because this is what's about to happen. And
we would have those lengthy conversations off air, dealing with
(05:07):
the humanity of it all, because at the end of
the day, these are human beings actually going through something,
whereas with Jason, it was more plug and play, like, okay, host, enter,
host this show, do this interview, and you know, personally,
I guess I should apologize to Jason as we talked
today and Molly, I wasn't. They didn't get my a
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game because I wasn't there yet. I hadn't been through
so many battles on the show to where I could
demand things. I could see things coming a mile away.
I knew the pitfalls, I knew the hurdles they were
going to be falling over. I didn't know that then
because the famous line, you don't know what you don't know, right,
how can you? And so we all went through it together,
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which made it incredibly dramatic and it shook me. It
was a very difficult show to host. It was uncomfortable,
and at the end of the day, it worked. And
that's the crazy part and maybe that makes it even
more dramatic, is that Jason and Molly got happily married,
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have children and have this beautiful life together. And when
we asked who you guys most wanted to hear from,
it was pretty overwhelming that it was Jason and Molly.
And joining me now is the infamous Jason and Molly
from I believe they're in Kirkland, you guys up in Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, we are the.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Home of Kirkland signature toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You guys, you make so much more. I mean, you're
making golf balls now, golf clubs. Do you know where
the rotisserie chickens come from? Is that up there?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah? I actually just saw an article about their rotes
three chickens yesterday. Yeah, must be from up here.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
How many mini chickens are killing every day? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, But you know what, and we totally digress here,
but I read this article that how bad that those
damn chickens are for you? Those are tissary chickens. Yeah,
there's like fifty different ingredients in a rotisserie chicken. I'm like, oh, great.
Thanks for ruining. Is there anything that's not getting ruined
these days all?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And why are they so little?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Why they are so little? That is a debate for
another day and another show on the most Costco episode ever.
But you guys are up there living your life. And
we were delayed just a minute because Mollie, you were
running Riley to school.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yep, her first day of fifth grade today.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh my gosh, today's the first day of school, first day.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Of school for us. We're late. We're always after Labor Day.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's by the way, it's not late, it's that's on time.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I guess it is on time.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Shame on the rest of the world for going to
school in August, Like what an a whole thing to do?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Seriously, like Rooney summer.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's miserably hot. It's stupid. When I moved my kids
into TCU, it's one hundred and forty nine degrees in humid, right,
and humid, and you're just so gross and sweaty and disgusting.
And even the football game and look, the football game
sucked on its own this week where they lost to Colorado.
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Thanks Ryan Sutter, by the way, for just constantly texting
me during that game and rubbing it in. But it's
miserable at the football games like University. This is no joke.
University of Texas this weekend they played Rice. The female
sideline reporter said she had one of those infrared scanners.
Said it was one hundred and sixty five degrees.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But how did they even practice? Yeah, that's like neat.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So my point is, you're right, it should A school
should start after September first, after Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Let it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We can go later in the year. It's pretty in May,
it's fine. That really move in sucks when it's one
hundred and ninety degrees. So first day of fifth grade, yep,
that is are we what twelve ten?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
She'll be eleven this year, but she's like big man
on campus now because next year it's middle school.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So she's she's still in the twenty fifth percentile. So
she's very.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, tiny, but she doesn't know it. No, but mighty,
she has her fire. What is fifth grade?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What is that? What was going to school?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
What was is her attitude this morning?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, she's got a little click.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, she's got a group of six girls. Jason is
going through an interesting transition and phase in his life
right now where we took Tie to college. So now
he's outnumbered by the girls in his household. Interesting, and
he's dying. She's dying.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's been like fourteen days, but it's been feel like
it's fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of drama, a lot of hormones.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I you know, it's funny I remember that because you know,
my son is a senior. So four years ago when
I took him, there were you know, two more years
with my daughter, and it was just the two and
I was separated, already divorced well into it at that time,
so all of a sudden, it was just the two
of us, and it was a very interesting dynamic. We've
i will say, it forced us to be closer together,
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which is wonderful. And I'm sure that'll happen to you too.
But yeah, it's it's a different dynamic when you had
the escape of oh my boys, here, we're gonna go
to lacrosse game, We're gonna go to whatever that's gone.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jason Stein, like Sunday is normally
football Sunday, and now it's like dance.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Mom Sunday and Petties for you the worst show of
all time.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Mollie will like let her watch that, but won't let
her watch like Harry Potter, And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Harry Potter, but I'm like, you know, Dance Moms is
it is really bad?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The people ever, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, it's funny. So I in introing you guys
what struck me when I was reading back? I didn't
remember it being so late into the show, like this
is two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so
the show had been on for seven years. It was
only the fourth bachelorette that you were on, but you
were the thirteenth, fourteenth bachelor.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, thirteen.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
How many is it now? Do we know?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
One hundred?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, you know, it's funny. Even when I was on
the show and I cared, I never I never remembered,
like when they're like, oh, how many bachelors, I'm like,
I don't know, like someone's keeping track. I remembered years.
I knew, you know, I did it for go. I
was going on the twentieth year, and I actually wanted
to make it to twenty years. And then I was
honestly quite fine no matter what happened. But I went
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nineteen and a half or whatever. That's how I remembered it,
because you know, for a while. And that's why when
I said, you were what thirteen or fourteen? Oh, apparently
I'm being told by my my intrepid producer Kendall that
we've done twenty eight or they're about to twenty eight,
so they've done twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, But do you remember, like if you don't remember names,
can you remember like I remember somebody or somebody like,
do you remember like the order, not a specific order,
but can you go like, hey, Ari was after Jason
or Diana, I was before so and so.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
For sure, you know what you know. What I have
trouble with what I forget is I vividly remember you
being the Bachelor. I do not remember you being on
Deanna season. If you put a gun to my head
and said, you know Jason, I was like, oh, yeah, no, Jason, Molly, Melissa,
the whole thing. I get it. Jillian, I remember, I
even remember the women from the show. And I remember
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we were in New Zealand. I remember traveling. It was
a great season of travel. I don't remember where you
came from the Genesis story.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, you know, it's funny because I think there were
so many times back then where they would I remember
several times where I wanted to say something on camera
and then somebody would come to me and they'd be like, no, no,
don't say anything, like we need you to be quiet
and good.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When you were on the Bachelor and I was on
the Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Oh well they wanted they were I thought, muting me
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's all the same, No, I I remember very early on.
And again something I also admitted to was, you know,
y'all didn't get the best of me. And I felt
terrible about that because when we all went through everything,
I wasn't fully baked as a producer and as a
host and as a friend. When I went through basically
the same thing with Ari, I was so much better
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equipped to be a friend. And like I talked to
him so much off the air. He would call me
and I'm like, okay, man, this is what I know
for sure you're going to go through because my other
friend Jason went through this and it was it was
a lot, and so I was able to have those
conversations with you guys. It wasn't at a spite or malice.
I just it was all new to me, and I
also just admitted that it was the most dramatic thing.
(13:54):
When I say, you know, the most dramatic, I would
always throw that out. This was actually it for me
to this day, for me too, yeah, I'm sure, but
I mean to this day that shook me the most
because I was just I in a whole different way,
was going through it as well as something new, and
so I just I wasn't equipped to handle you guys
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as well as I should have.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You remember when we were sitting on set and I
can't remember this is like when Molly came out and
Molly and I wanted to be like, hey, we're going
to try to go out and get to know each
other afterwards, and you were like okay, okay, okay, and
then your little buzz in your air here was like
they want you to kiss Jason, to give you a
rose Molly, and We're like, not gonna happen them. But
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then they were like the stage and You're like.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, I don't know how to tell you guys, I'm
not getting a paycheck until this happens. And that's what
I'm talking about. There were those moments when much later
and actually it was a point of contention and part
of the mess that dissolved me from the show. I
(15:07):
got to the point where I could dictate, I could
hear things. They would tell me to do things, tell
me to say things, which isn't a bad thing. I'm
not putting this on the producers because that's just normal.
I am the filter, and I learned to be the filter,
and I learned to be a good filter of No,
these are human beings. I know this person. I'm not
going to do that. And then I would, you know,
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subsequently subsequently get in a knocked out, drag out fight
with certain people about disobeying or whatever. But I was
fine with that. I'm like, I didn't mind picking those
hills with you guys. If they said, hey, no matter
how how stupid and dumb the idea is of like, hey,
give her a rose and make out with her, I
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would say that, and I probably and I did say
that to you guys, And that's that was really a
bad idea because the moment didn't need that. And that's
my producer mind as well is my human being behind
of we didn't need that. We already had so much
that day.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You, Chris is your I love this version of Chris like,
we it's so funny as we've left the show and
we you know, you're friends with producers while you're on it,
and then they leave the show and they reach out
to you and they're like, we really fed that up.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Like everyone realizes once they're out of it how bad
it is when they were in it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh well, except for like I'm not going to name
any names, but remember we were having lunch with a producer, yes,
and this is after everything, and I was like, dude,
is a mail And I was like, how do you
live with yourself with all the stuff that you need
to ask us to do? And he said, verbatim, yeah,
I will never forget this. If they don't know what
they're getting into by now, it's their own fault. And
(16:50):
I was like, oh well, I said, like I kind
of knew what I was getting into, but I didn't
know how the producers interact with us. Yeah. I was
like that dude hasn't gotten over it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, and that was the issue I had, And again
it it got to the point where you know, I
was not a yes man anymore, and yours was kind
of that tipping point for me. Of like, I need
to be more involved and I can't just be a
patsy for this, and I can't just repeat what's said
to me or carry out these orders because I spent
(17:23):
so much time with you and I knew you were
human beings and I'm trying to facilitate this. Yeah, I'm
trying to make TV, and yeah, we can make it
dramatic and good. But at the same time, I disagree
with that statement that they said, I don't think you
fully know what you're getting into. Sure, you're signing up
for something you think the action adventure. You know there
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might be some tears and heartbreak or whatever, but you
don't fully know until you get in there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I said the same thing. I'm like, dude, I like,
I knew that it was gonna be weird and I
was gonna learn how they make a TV show, But
I didn't think.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You really know how bad it is.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yes, I mean bad.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
We're I mean we're we will never like bite the
hand that feeds us, you.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Know, like we're shoe on that hand, croud that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To be a part of the show or whatever, but
we're happy to now be very removed.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, and as am I by the way, and I've
said this a million times, I'll say it again. The
show changed my life and it was a wonderful for
the most part. Obviously, there's always things in every job
that aren't great, and there's people that aren't great. But
for the most part, it was an amazing experience. I mean,
the reason I'm talking to you two and y'all are
friends of mine is because of the show, and so
I have so many things to be grateful for. It
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changed my kids' lives, so there's a lot of love there.
There's just things, like in any anything you do for
twenty years that you care about, it's going to evolve
and change.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The biggest change he's heard was he said, y'all, I've y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's a lot of Austin Texas in me. Now it's
come back. For sure, it's come back. There's always you know,
there's always been a y'all in my vocabulary. It's now
two syllables. There's a y'all. It's like there's a subtle,
too syllable change there. That's when it starts to draw out.
But I and I remember, and I guess this is
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what hit me too, Like I knew you guys were
very intimate leading up to that final day in New Zealand.
To me, that struck me. I'm like, these are two
people that are truly making love and trying to find
love and all you get read yeah, and we're shooting
this and so I don't want to make this weird.
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And trust me, I never watched, but there's there's thing,
There's there are reasons I know, but it was just
to me there it was just this point in the
show that just hit me when all of this happened,
and it was kind of this come to Jesus moment
for me of like, Okay, you need to be different
because this is real and these people really are going
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through this.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
The funniest thing for me, like we never spent a
ton of time together on the show because you like
fly in, fly out, right, But I remember after Jason
had sent me home and I was still in New Zealand,
and I drank an entire bottle of vodka that night
to get over it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And the next time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And then they were putting me on a plane the
next morning and at the little teeny teeny tiny New
Zealand airport. I think it was maybe even a private
plane to get you to another airport.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I had to go to Auckland.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
There you were there and I see you and you
just look at me and you're like, are you okay?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Broke down and started sobbing, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, that's the only time she's ever cried in her life.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I tend to make people cry. I remember that we
were down. We were up at the Bay of Islands
is where we finished. I believe we finished your show.
We went to Queenstown, then we went up to Bay
of Islands, and then we had to fly that small
plane back to Auckland before we get on that twelve
hour flight home. And so yeah, I would fly. I
flew with you, and I'm like, there was and I'll
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be honest, there was that moment of like, oh crap,
like because I never knew who's on my plane or not.
And I'm like, oh, like what am I going to say?
Like you know, I just you're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You gave me a hug.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I care, Like that's the thing people are like, oh,
how do you do this? Like it's because I care.
The worst thing in the world is at the end
of the show, I knew, like even for Jason when
I knew he was going to go in and propose
to Deanna, and I'm like, oh, crap, like this is
you know, she's picking the snowboarder.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Dude, you know what happened? Like I'm like, I've told
this story before. So like as I'm pulling away after
proposing to her snowboarders, Jesse's pulling in and our cars
had to stop. No, like, hey, uh, can you give
Jesse either the ring box because like we don't have
another ring box. And at the time there was like
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an emotional connection, but I was.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like, dude, shut up, damn freaking.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Show, Like are they doing this on purpose? Are they
really that dumb?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh my god, I could I watched Jason propose to Melissa.
I could see it from my hotel room.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh that's I mean, that's stuff we do to people
in Guantanamo Bay. That's like, that's like special Forces torture stuff.
Did we waterboard you? Like what was next? And that's
that is the humanity that sometimes gets lost where and
again I have to give a little leniency to some
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of these producers because all they're thinking is, oh, crap,
we have to get this neo layne box shot. We
only have one box and oh god, Jason has it.
So some PA yells to some intern PA who's like,
you know, sheepishly goes, hey, man, they don't, they don't,
they don't know there's they're so young and they don't
they don't have any idea. They're just trying to do
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a job, and they forget that these are human beings
that just got broken up with and back in the day,
and you guys were in the in this era. I
call back in the day, Well, we are old. I
am just know, I'm always going to be older than you.
It's okay. But you know, look we were only seven
years into it and it was still pretty i will say, innocent, naive,
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you know, like social media hadn't exploded. But there was
also this toxicity behind the scenes where there were no
rules like there is. The level of professionalism was maybe
at a.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
One, I mean a thousand, Like remember when place asked
you just like yeah, like really inappropriate stuff with producers
and the girls and like the producers saying things they
shouldn't like remember one thousand. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Oh my god, yeah it was. He made Jason look
like a good guy. It was Yeah, no, the level
of professionalism, and that's it. That's something else that changed,
you know, as we moved into the modern era of
the show. Thank god, it's the only way that we
could have survived. And I was and again, it was
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just I was so out of that circle for so
long that I didn't know that stuff like that was
going on. You know, you saw some stuff, but I'm like,
I'm out of my depth here. It's my first network gig.
I'm like, I'm excited to have the job. And so
I regret, you know, I couldn't have been that person
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because I wasn't prepared for that in my life at
that moment. But I wish I was. I probably would
have been off the show sooner because it just would
have blown up sooner than it did. Because eventually, enough
is enough and you got to draw that line in
the sand. Yeah, something that Lauren and I were talking
(24:39):
about and we were laughing. You guys made the first
infamous switch, and it's worked. It has been unbelievably successful.
So did Ari and Lauren laughingly said the couples that
chose the wrong person and ended up getting married have
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been more successful than the rest of the entire franchise.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
There's Sean Lowe and then the two of you.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, well, Ari and I talked about this long indeed,
because we're really good at what we do. We're real
estate agents and experts in love at the same time.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I don't know, you guys should definitely, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Exactly what it is. It allows switching like that, not
having the pressure of an engagement right away. It gives
you the time to create your own path in a relationship.
You know, Like I will stand by this woolheartedly. If
Jason would have proposed to me that final day, we
probably never.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Would have worked.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
What do you talk I mean, honestly, like it just
the pressure of that is insanity. And yeah, we were
able to date off camera and start our relationship completely
over before ending up getting married. So I think that's I.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Mean, that's that's what saved us. I've never really thought
about that, but that's actually a really interesting point because
it's like I've always thought of going through it almost
kind of twice where it's like the end of the show,
even though the audience wants to see this ring and
all this stuff, what it feels like more than anything
is like, hey, can we start can we really start
dating now?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
But you know everybody you is like, no, you're engaged
when you're like, I've spent forty hours with this person.
I got to get to know him atself.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And you start not believing the hype. But you see
the hype and you're on the cover of People magazine,
You're on the cover of every magazine. Back then, it
was I mean the amount of pressure you got. I
mean now the show and I again, I'm not saying
this to be a jerk, it's just the relevance is
minute compared to when you were on the show. I mean,
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the ratings were fifty times what it is now, and
so was the attention, and so was the news cycle,
and so you guys were not beloved, especially Jason Molly.
Did that have something to do with it too? Of
this that kind of bunker mentality of't you didn't have
the pressure of being the chosen ones. You kind of
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had the pressure of we don't love this.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, It very quickly forced us to go back to
our regular lives too, Like I know, you know this, Chris,
like the Hollywood lifestyle. After the Bachelor ruins, People ruins up,
you know, and like they feel like that's like they're
just rolling in the money and the events and the
shine and the glitz or whatever. But that's not real life.
That's going to go away. There's another couple the next
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season that will be around, you know. And so we
just went back to normal life and dated and got
to know about that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And I wish people knew this about you, because I
remember several conversations with you, and other people would talk
to you, and I could almost envision being at an
airport and you giving advice not to me, to somebody
else and saying like, listen, don't do that, Like go
back to your normal life. And if you're a real
esta agent or a salesman or whatever it is, you're
going to kill it in that business. Yeah, don't go
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do this other thing and try to host the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Ben Higgins had a tough time with that, and Ben
and I really sat down and had that conversation. I'm like,
let it enhance your life, life, don't let it change
your life. And it's tough because and again you go
back to that producer saying to you, Oh, they know
what they're getting into you don't How do you know
what it's like to living Washington as a single dad
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and then be on Jimmy Kimmel and then beyond Jay Leno,
which was a thing back then, to be on the
cover of Very magazine, to be to lead entertainment Tonight
and Access and everything every night. You don't know, and
and I'll never forget. Trista was was the first one
I kind of heard in this area when she went
(28:34):
on the View and she came back and I said, oh,
you did a great job, you know what. She's like, Yeah,
you know, I may, I may actually like work there.
I'm like, what what do you mean? She goes, well,
they said I was so great, I could come back
anytime and edit editor. I said, oh no, I'm like,
like they say that to everybody, but you do. You
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get you get caught up and you're flying first class,
you're talking red carpets, you're you know, presenting at award shows,
and you don't realize that this is going to be
gone as soon as there is another one, and it's difficult,
and so yeah, if you can go back and be
amazing real estate moguls, which you guys have done awesome,
people know you. People feel like they know you, so
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use that capitalize on it for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how we handle it. It
definitely enhances our business, but it is not the anchor
of our business.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So typically, like you don't even want to say it
unless somebody's like someone, well, they're like, how do I
know your face? I'm like, you really want to talk
about do.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You want to find your dream home? Or do you
want to go down my dark dark path?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah? No, it's I mean, it's present in our life
when it needs to be, but it's not every day,
which is we prefer it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Honestly, that is a great way to live. It's very healthy.
And you know, because we also televised your wedding I
believe it is in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That was a really good It was being awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It was bonkers.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I would go back and do that one hundred times over.
It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's when I knew you may be the coolest chick
in the world, because any other bride would have lost
her mind. Because when I tell you folks that it
was storming outside and this was an outside wedding, I
can't begin to tell you the tropical like tropical storm
(30:29):
that hit during their wedding.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
There was a tsunami warning that day.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It was we were at the Terran Air Resort in
southern California, just south of LA.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
But I also know it helped knowing that you had
like a world class makeup artist some time.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I didn't care, Like I was like, as soon as
this is on TV, they don't I mean for me to.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
They don't want me to. We wish the best for you.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Knew I had hair and makeup waiting for me. When
I was done, Like, I wasn't even I was just
having fun. It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It was it. It was crazy. So yeah, so are
people that don't remember when we televised this. In twenty ten,
the mother of all storms hit southern California. You know,
they say it's goodluck if it rains on your wedding day.
Bull crap. This was blowing thirty miles an hour sideways.
It was I mean, plant everything, you know, the art
I felt so bad for the art department because everything
they did blewe to Kingdom come, plants falling over, flying
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down the aisle. We had to try to cover everything.
We're trying to give everybody umbrellas, but that doesn't work
because it's just also blowing so hard. And so you
guys get married in the rain in just this epic storm,
and it actually turned out to be one of the
coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was it was like the pictures looking back and
like this is it's just awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And then afterwards we were cool, but it was clear,
and Sonny too, c and then we all like took
a couple hours. We left and like dried out, changed
our clothes, got hair and makeup, and then we showed
up at what turned out to be an awesome party
the rest of the night.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, you know what that behind the scenes issue with
us taking forever to get ready and dried off and
all of that. Some of my like high school friends
and sorority sisters, like they got so drunk before the
reception even started because we took like two hours to
get ready. Again, like one girl.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Like one of your sorority sisters puked on the table.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Even remember the reception.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, the day got delayed because of the rain, and
then it got delayed because of the rain afterwards as well,
and so yeah, we hadn't fed anybody. There was no
food and everybody was just drinking and drinking and drinking
and it just went sideways.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh thank god for that in and out truck that
pulled in later. Yeah, I know, no kidding, that was
I've never been happier with an in and out burger
in my life. Was like around midnight when that thing
rolled in and just crushed it. But you know, one
of those things I loved. I loved about Tristan Ryan's wedding, y'all.
Wedding was like this is when we would take over
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a resort and it was just us. It was just
your friends. And when people when we're doing a wedding,
the cool thing is, yeah, there's there's the television people around, producers,
but it's your people. Like you said, it's your sorority sisters,
it's your best friends, it's your family. So there was
I don't know if you guys remember that little bar
that had the fire pit there off the cliffs there.
We would go down and it was just mixing and
(33:24):
mingling with your friends and everybody's telling their Jason and
Molly stories. It really is like an actual wedding where
we're just sharing this stuff and we're sharing this love
and so it I love the feeling of that, and
I I try to encapsulate that every time we would
do a wedding.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
What about what about when Gavin de grat tried to
make out with all your.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
With my sorority system, he was is he married?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, well that's you're saying, like everyone was trapped at
this resort, right they went in. No one knew where
they were going.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So Gavin de Grau hooked up with one of your
sorority sisters.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
One or multiple. I think he's like, who's the biggest
star here? It's me and Chris Harrison.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, Gavin de Grau well played, sir, well played. I
don't know if that's that was part of the writer
of agreement. Yeah, I know, Sparkling Water, two bridesmaids and
I stayed dinner. What a party man?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That was.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It was again, it was just weird times because it
was so young and innocent, even though we'd been doing
it for almost a decade. It was just crazy. And
then now you guys build this life, you go back
to Washington, and I just love how quickly you guys
were able to not drop off the map by any means,
because you would still come and do things for us
all the time, but just started enjoying your life and
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had a child and you know, raising Tie as well.
And I loved to see you guys. It was the
Ryan and Trista method. I loved it. Get away and
live your life.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Well we have. I mean, part of it is we
had to, like, no matter what people think, you're still
on a reality show, so we have to go back
to work. And Molly like was getting recruited to do
jobs here right away, right you got recruited by the
shoe company and I went and I had to go
back to work right away. So there was no and
you know, Ty isn't going to be like, well did
you guys have fun on TV? Go ahead and enjoy
your vacation for the next.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Five years life.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Like you like, you know, when you have a kid,
you're totally grounded and like, thinking back to it, like
Ty has no recollection of any of that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Really, can we can we talk about the tie of
it all?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I mean he was four or five years old. Yeah,
I remember that. I remember meeting this little kid, such
a Seahawks fan, and you know, he was around the
show from time to time and we'd hang out just
this little kid, and I again didn't pay attention until
I saw on your social media graduating high school off
(35:55):
to Boise State. Looks like a grown ass man. Yeah,
so so much better looking than you, So much better looking.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Than you, and so much nicer. Yeah, well behaved.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He's like literally the best. He's the best human he is.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He just Isn't that what you want? You want your
kids to not only have a better option a life
and choices and but to be better human beings.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was weird dropping him
off because that first day, it is just a couple
of weeks ago, we had the boys to drop him off,
and that like the first day he's like, hey, my
roommate wants to go to a concert, right, And we're like, oh, man,
like we're here with you, but like that's what you
want to see too. Yeah, what did we do?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We went out with We went out with his ex wife,
her husband, and.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We ended up at a club that night.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
It's funny you say that it is a there are
a few times when you come back together and it's
for children, and so we did the same. We had
a big dinner. My ex was there, Lauren of course
is there, her husband is there, and we all, you know,
crack a bottle because it's still it's it's also no
matter what kind of divorce you went through or whatever,
it's still an accomplishment that the two of you and
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all of you now as a unit have done. Like Molly,
you put your time and energy into Tie and I
know you know Lauren did the same for my kids,
and it's it is a beautiful moment, if only a
moment at least you come back together for a second
to celebrate and watching, you know, knowing that you drop
Tie off, was it a were you emotional? Did you
(37:30):
cry because you're a ball bag?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I'm a ball bag.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well I've never seen him cry other than that scene
on TV.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
That's it. Well I'm also, yeah, an actor obviously. Yeah,
So you know what's like, I think the one time
where it really hit me was you're in like at Boise,
they have this like freshman orientation where everybody goes into
the basketball arenac and somebody's president of the university's upfront,
Like when they started talking about their future and everything.
That's when it really got to me. Yeah, like where
they've been, where they're going like the drop off. Weirdly enough,
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he came home the first two weekends for various things.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How close is Boise State to you guys? A short drive?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, it's a long drive, so you have to go
through the mountains. But the flight is like an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's super easy. He has to come back to go
to the Drake concert, very important.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Speaking to having fantasy football draft.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It easy because Ty was so ready. He was so excited.
He made friends right out of the gate. Like the
first two nights of us dropping them off at college,
he was like, I don't even want to hang out
with you guys. I want to go with my friends.
So it's like he was ready to fly. Yeah, and
it made it easier to let him go.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know, I want to just think like the last
couple of years, you know, once you got through COVID
and you get your license and all of a sudden,
it's sports and he's driving everywhere on his own and
he's got his own life. So like that last two
years of pushing away from us, and it's funny, like
he even said when he was in town over the weekend,
He's like, you know, it's weird, like it feels like
high school in some ways, just.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Bigger, bigger, Yeah, and doing things for you.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, when when you've done your job right, they want
to be independent and they they leave you. And it's
but it is a great thing. I had just had
my kids, uh here for the Labor Day weekend, and
I had six kids in my house, you know, roommates,
sorority sisters, what have you. And it's you just look
at it and you're like, this is beautiful, Like this
is all I've wanted for them.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And you know what was really interesting this past year
is Tie and all of his friends decided to come
to our house every night and watch our season of
The Bachelor. In no way, yes, And it was the
most ten nights of my life.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh no, I was just laughing at you. Oh god.
It was like she was so embarrassed, and I'm like, listen,
they were bound, they were bound to find out about it. No,
I know.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So all these kids, all.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Of them, like like when you say, everybody was me
over to your house, like.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
They sat down and watched start to finish the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Finish the thing. It was humiliating.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
What were there? It was what were their comments like, well,
they had.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Actually really good comments. But what would be bad is
like I would go sequester myself in my room because
I'd be so embarrassed and I just hear all of
my at the same time be like, Oh, I'm like,
oh my god, what did they just see?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Oh my god, that's amazing. What did they think of
your skills? Jason?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
They well they all look up to me, so obviously.
It's like they love my skills, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I bet I bet they would just realize now because
they have they are so much more evolved than we
were and are, and they're so much better at talking
and communicating that I bet they just feel like, man,
y'all were out of touch. Y'all were so out of touch.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
God. I just keep on thinking, Thank God Instagram.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It wasn't I know, I know, it's I'm so glad
I got to go to school, like without all of that,
you know. Is that something you guys have trouble with
with Riley?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
H No, not yet. Well she doesn't have a phone,
yete phone yet She's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Because I saw her at the Taylor Swift concert. Yeah,
are y'all swifties?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I mean you have to be if you're not.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Jason, don't shake this off, like, don't don't like shake
your head like it's not cool to be a swiftye
that she's not amazing in every way possible, because she is.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I just here's here's my confusion with her. Okay, okay.
The super Bowl is once a year, right, yes, and
it's self doubt and tickets are very expensive. Taylor Swift
is on tour for two years straight and every show
is like the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, tickets are.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
The super Bowl is once a year. Taylor Swift has
one hundred and seventy nine thousand concerts.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Instead of being confusing, what that should tell you? And
I love the Dallas Cowboys, you love the Seahawks. Let's
say that the Seahawks and Cowboys are playing every day.
I don't care. There's a point, there's a point where
I just won't care about this aim anymore. Taylor Swift,
her tour will not ever have that. But it's also
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different because billions can watch every game, and you like,
if we all tuned in every night to watch the
same Taylor Swift show, we would probably grow old as well.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
So the concert's going on, that's great. You know what
you do, make a movie about it, Yeah, and put
it in the theaters. Everybody by the ticket.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I'm hey, I'm but I feel the same about you too,
Like I'm going to go see them in Vegas. I
love rattle and Hum. I'm all, I get it. And
my daughter is the biggest swift in the world. And
so she went by her again without us. She's in college,
so she went with her friend to the one at
Texas Stadium and she's like, it changed my life. She's
like I would go. She's like, I want to just
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keep traveling and go see her over and over.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And I love how much how passionate people are, because
I feel like she is a good person, But how
does it change your life?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Her daughter, so she's.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Also ten, so like her life has got a shorter space.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
There is that show, the You two show. Lauren was
amazing enough to get me this particular advertisement. I was
sixteen years old. I was playing soccer over in Europe
with this traveling team and we're in Wales and we
ran into You two in Cardiff, Wales, and I wasn't
even that huge of a U two fan, but it
was just there are moments in time when you are
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so impressionable, and there's a moment like it is for Riley,
like it is for my daughter right now with Taylor Swift.
But what I find, and Lauren brought this up, what's
incredible is that Taylor Swift isn't a kid. Her group
of people that grew up with her are still fans,
but now Riley's a fan. Like she has captured the
next generation as well. It is a phenomenon like we
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have not seen in many, many decades. Even throwing out
the Beatles or the Stones, I mean, the biggest names
in music. She's there now, I mean and Riley.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
So they went to the concert, right and then the
next day, Hi and his girlfriend took Riley and sat
outside the concert because you could hear it, Yeah, she's
like again.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Are you kidding? Ty took his little sister to sit
outside so she could listen.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Oh my gosh, she's so good with her. He is
so good with her. They've gotten so close.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I don't know what you did to deserve that, but
that is like, think about that. Think about what you're
just saying, Like, I promise you, Ty didn't want to
go sit in the parking lot and listen to you
with swift.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
He did did. Yeah, it was so sweet that.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like so when Taylor is my Taylor went to her concert,
she ubered in it's always easy to get into a concert,
it's impossible to get out. So she called her brother
who was forty five minutes away in Fort Worth, and said,
come pick me up. It's eleven thirty at night. And
he got out of bed went when picked up his
little sister. And that's those are the things when you're like,
(44:53):
I don't know what I did, but thank god, these
are good human beings.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yes, well I don't know. So my only memory memory
of your kids, because it wasn't that, it was the
opposite of that, is they come in and I think
were the itelliens. Well, we had a foosball table down
because the year I was on the Bachelorette we stayed
in the house down below and you could bring your
kids from the kids would come from time to time,
(45:17):
and dude, when they went head to head in foosball,
I don't know if a foosball table, but they went,
they went at it.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They there. They would get contentious from time to time. Yeah,
they they they I mean, look, they had their moments
and I think what Riley and Tie are much further
apart in age minor a year and a half apart.
They are two years apart. So yeah, they there was
definitely that that phase they went through. But at the
end of the day, they are very close now and
I'm like, I'm so thankful for that because they're at
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the same college, which is crazy unbelievable how that worked out.
Where else was where else was Thie looking to.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Go University of Washington, So he looked at all the
Washington schools, Oregon School STSU or University of Oregon, San Diego, Arizona.
But I think he just wanted something a little bit smaller. Yeah,
we actually have some Like I was telling you, we're
gonna be down in Austin because some of my closest
friends and clients are moving down there. Although she is
(46:15):
the mother is worried because coming from this climate down
to the air, She's like, it's one hundred and ten, sorry,
maybe one hundred and forty nine.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It can be it can be warm, it can be
very so. But I mean, I can't wait for you
guys to get down here. I can't wait to show
you around. You're gonna absolutely you'll love it. And look,
I think what we do is we summer up in
Washington and.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Then we winter down here Albertas.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
And you guys need some vitamin D. When you need
some sunshine, you come down here before you go. Though,
I do want to talk about what you guys are
doing with your life, because y'all have absolutely crushed it
and it's I love that you're doing it together. You guys,
when when did that kind of combinations start?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Jason's been doing real estate for over ten years. Yeah,
built a really really solid business, and he was like,
I need your help.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Well, she's so organized and creative, and you know, she
was doing like she left the the she was in
the radio business for a little while. But as soon
as she left, I'm like, okay, can we do this together?
And we did have a negotiation.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
We did. He was like, if you come help me
with work, you can build the house that you want
to build.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
That's why we almost the trade. So hopefully just a
few weeks away from moving into our house. But like
we had a fair trade.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
That was a fair trade.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, that is that's quite the carrot you dangled there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's quite the deal. I know, I know, but it's
been good though. I mean we do have everyone's like
how do you work together? And we do have moments
where like moments, Yeah, I'm like, you go to the
office today, all work from home, just so we're like separated.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
But well, I mean we're in the office today and
this is the first day you've been in the office
for a while. Yeah, several weeks.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Interesting. You guys bring so much to the table. Obviously
you're smart and talented, but you're also a couple and
you've been through something so public. Buying a house is
so emotional. Do you have advice for people? Do you
find that you also help people kind of emotionally with
such a big job.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
You're you're a therapist for sure, because they're going through
one of the most stressful moments of their life, packing
a house, moving, picking out the biggest purchase of their life. Yeah,
it's I mean, we talked through a lot of emotions
with people.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, and I think probably in some ways it does
help because a lot of our clients do know who
we are, recognize us, and so because of that familiarity
with like, oh, we we already feel like we trust
them and hope hopefully they really do that those conversations
probably come a little easier. Plus, I took a few
credits in psychology.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And so you're basically a psychologists.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Basically a psychologist from that university.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, I always said, it's like, I'm like, I'm not
a doctor, but I definitely have put enough hours in
to be. Yeah, at this point, I feel like, as
they say, I've seen a few things, Yes, yes you have,
and you guys were definitely one of those things. That
was such a lightning bolt moment that for the franchise,
(49:09):
for me, for you, and it's this thing that no
matter what happens in my life, I will always remember
it and I will always have this bond with the
two of you. And at the time, I don't think
I would have had this perspective, but I consider it
special now and I don't know if that's right, but
I feel like I think about it with fondness.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, I think we do too.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Like I think there was some like initially because I
knew what it was going to look like and how
that was going to play out. I was there was
some animosity back then, but I think now when I
look back at it, it was just a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, It's so funny though, like we're so far moved.
It's like weird to even think like we were on
a TV show at one point, you know, like it's
been fifteen years since we filmed our season, you know.
And I even like when you had promoted like do
you have questions for Jason and Molly, I was like,
I three years ago. I looked at Jason, I was like,
I'm not doing interviews about the show anymore. I'm just like,
(50:05):
I'm done with it. I don't I don't remember. It
was so long ago, you know, and like so it's
not really a part of our day to day life,
but it is a very fond memory. To go down
this lane with you and talk.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
About it, well, I appreciate it. I've never had, as
you said, an open, honest, really candid conversation with you too.
I've had the other type of conversations where we all
smile and shake our head and answer the right questions.
But I was happy to have a real conversation with
you guys and get to the truth. And I love
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you guys, and Yell are in such a good season
with your lives, your business, with Riley starting fifth grade,
I can't wait to hear how the first day of
school went, and Tye it did. By the way, is
he in a fraternity.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
He's not doing a fraternity. Fraternities aren't real big and
poise like.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
It depends on the school.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, I mean I was a big sorority girl. Jason
was a big fraternity guy. He's taking a different path,
but he's.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Super hid different school.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Is in a sorority, you know, see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
That's I mean, he's so level headed, but he's learning
a lot in the first couple of weeks of school. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, you know, when we would reach out to people
on uh, you know, the most dramatic pod ever on
our Instagram unanimously, you guys were the ones people were
asking about. People were clamoring to get you. Yeah, I know,
I'll be honest, and I don't mean to be mean.
I was like, really I didn't. Okay, great, we'll die back.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
You're irrelevant. We are such old news.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
But that's the great thing is you're not and uh
and people still bond over this and love you guys,
and it just you know, you never it never ceases
to amaze me how many people we touched with the
show and for how long we did it, and that's
and that's and you guys were a huge part of that.
So I thank you. I thank you guys for your friendship,
your support, your love, and for coming on the show
(51:58):
and for being honest today. It has been such a
pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Awesome, Chris. Let's take it to the course.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Bring it you guys, get to Austin. Let me know
when you're coming to town. I got it all.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, sweet man, I'll be both of you.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
By the way, I've seen your swing. You look really good. Yeah,
it looks real good. I don't know how many houses
you're selling, but your candy cap has come down. Yeah,
all right, guys, take care.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, thanks Chris, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever,
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This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison here in the home office in Austin, Texas,
and I have a great show for you today because
it's a show that you have asked for, that many
of you have asked for, and that is sitting down
and talking to Jason Mesnik and his wife Molly. Jason
(00:23):
and Molly, who were on the show, met on the
show in easily one of the most infamous and yes,
dramatic moments ever. When people would ask me, you know,
as I often got asked in interviews or what have you,
even on the street, when people would say, okay, dramatic guy,
(00:43):
what really is the most dramatic moment ever in the
history of the show. I would always say it was Jason,
Molly and Melissa. If you don't know Jason Mesnick was on,
I believe it was the fourth season of The Bachelorette
Deanna pappas he got to the finals of that season,
the final two. I think it was him and a
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guy named Jesse Sinsak who ended up with Dianna for
a short amount of time. But if you remember, and
if not, I know you have to go back in
the in the black and white footage, but Jason was
preparing to get down on one knee and proposed to
Deanna when she stopped him, and she sent him home,
(01:27):
and he later became our fourteenth bachelor. This is back
in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
so this is a while ago. You know, It's funny.
In my mind, I remember Jason is the infancy of
the show in very early days. But in preparing for
this podcast with Jason Andmaly today, it struck me that
(01:48):
it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine.
The show began in two thousand and two, so we
were seven years into it. I felt so young. And
when I mean I felt young, I just mean my
innocence and maybe the show's innocence and my involvement in
the show was young, and it hadn't been fully baked yet,
(02:12):
I guess. And so when this moment happened, when we
got to the end of the season, Jason became the bachelor,
and it was a great season. It was kind of
a you know, we always have a theme, right, it
was the Sleepless in Seattle. He's from Seattle. We even
rented the house. It's not a houseboat, but it's you
know the houses that are on the water there in Seattle.
(02:32):
We rented one of those like that like you see
in the movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Brian and
his son. Tie was kind of a part of the show.
And at the time I will talk about this, but Tie,
I think was four or five years old, and so
you know, we had a single dad, which was a
first for us as well. It was very emotional and
Jason was really you know, he wore his heart on
(02:54):
his sleeve. What you see is what you get with him,
which is why I enjoy talking to him. But his
season came down to Melissa and Mollie, and at the
end of the day in New Zealand, where his finale was,
he chose Melissa, and quickly things unraveled. It didn't go well,
(03:16):
and that's when Jason said, I would like another shot
with Mollie. In my heart, I want to be with Molly.
So you have to kind of put in perspective when
I say this was the most dramatic moment of all time.
This had never happened before. This was new in reality TV.
It was new for the Bachelor and Bacheorette. I had
(03:39):
never experienced anything like this. The producers, the creators, the executives,
nobody had dealt with anything like this before. And when
you're dealing with a first it's crazy because you're just
trying to You're trying to make good TV, of course,
but you're trying to do what's right. You're trying to
make everybody happy. You're trying to actually make this work
(04:00):
because it behooves us to actually make it work, but
you're trying to do it also in dramatic fashion for television.
And so I'll never forget that day when we went
to shoot the show and we kept everybody sequestered, so
no one really had a chance to see each other
or talk except for when they came on stage and
we taped the show no audience, which I did love.
(04:23):
But what I found interesting is, you know, when I
say I felt like I wasn't fully baked as a host,
as a producer, I really was taking my cues from
those above me. I wasn't maybe I wasn't strong enough
independent enough at that time to dictate how the show
would go. Whereas later in further seasons, as we went
(04:46):
further and further, even like with Ari and his big switch.
I was able to control that situation and help Ari.
I actually talked to him off the air. I would
counsel him and make sure this is what you want
to do, because this is what's about to happen. And
we would have those lengthy conversations off air, dealing with
(05:07):
the humanity of it all, because at the end of
the day, these are human beings actually going through something,
whereas with Jason, it was more plug and play, like, okay, host, enter,
host this show, do this interview, and you know, personally,
I guess I should apologize to Jason as we talked
today and Molly, I wasn't. They didn't get my a
(05:28):
game because I wasn't there yet. I hadn't been through
so many battles on the show to where I could
demand things. I could see things coming a mile away.
I knew the pitfalls, I knew the hurdles they were
going to be falling over. I didn't know that then
because the famous line, you don't know what you don't know, right,
how can you? And so we all went through it together,
(05:51):
which made it incredibly dramatic and it shook me. It
was a very difficult show to host. It was uncomfortable,
and at the end of the day, it worked. And
that's the crazy part and maybe that makes it even
more dramatic, is that Jason and Molly got happily married,
(06:15):
have children and have this beautiful life together. And when
we asked who you guys most wanted to hear from,
it was pretty overwhelming that it was Jason and Molly.
And joining me now is the infamous Jason and Molly
from I believe they're in Kirkland, you guys up in Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, we are the.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Home of Kirkland signature toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You guys, you make so much more. I mean, you're
making golf balls now, golf clubs. Do you know where
the rotisserie chickens come from? Is that up there?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah? I actually just saw an article about their rotes
three chickens yesterday. Yeah, must be from up here.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
How many mini chickens are killing every day? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, But you know what, and we totally digress here,
but I read this article that how bad that those
damn chickens are for you? Those are tissary chickens. Yeah,
there's like fifty different ingredients in a rotisserie chicken. I'm like, oh, great.
Thanks for ruining. Is there anything that's not getting ruined
these days all?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And why are they so little?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Why they are so little? That is a debate for
another day and another show on the most Costco episode ever.
But you guys are up there living your life. And
we were delayed just a minute because Mollie, you were
running Riley to school.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yep, her first day of fifth grade today.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh my gosh, today's the first day of school, first day.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Of school for us. We're late. We're always after Labor Day.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's by the way, it's not late, it's that's on time.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I guess it is on time.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Shame on the rest of the world for going to
school in August, Like what an a whole thing to do?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Seriously, like Rooney summer.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's miserably hot. It's stupid. When I moved my kids
into TCU, it's one hundred and forty nine degrees in humid, right,
and humid, and you're just so gross and sweaty and disgusting.
And even the football game and look, the football game
sucked on its own this week where they lost to Colorado.
(08:23):
Thanks Ryan Sutter, by the way, for just constantly texting
me during that game and rubbing it in. But it's
miserable at the football games like University. This is no joke.
University of Texas this weekend they played Rice. The female
sideline reporter said she had one of those infrared scanners.
Said it was one hundred and sixty five degrees.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
On the field.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But how did they even practice? Yeah, that's like neat.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So my point is, you're right, it should A school
should start after September first, after Labor Day.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Let it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We can go later in the year. It's pretty in May,
it's fine. That really move in sucks when it's one
hundred and ninety degrees. So first day of fifth grade, yep,
that is are we what twelve ten?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
She'll be eleven this year, but she's like big man
on campus now because next year it's middle school.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So she's she's still in the twenty fifth percentile. So
she's very.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, tiny, but she doesn't know it. No, but mighty,
she has her fire. What is fifth grade?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
What is that? What was going to school?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
What was is her attitude this morning?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, she's got a little click.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, she's got a group of six girls. Jason is
going through an interesting transition and phase in his life
right now where we took Tie to college. So now
he's outnumbered by the girls in his household. Interesting, and
he's dying. She's dying.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's been like fourteen days, but it's been feel like
it's fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of drama, a lot of hormones.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I you know, it's funny I remember that because you know,
my son is a senior. So four years ago when
I took him, there were you know, two more years
with my daughter, and it was just the two and
I was separated, already divorced well into it at that time,
so all of a sudden, it was just the two
of us, and it was a very interesting dynamic. We've
i will say, it forced us to be closer together,
(10:15):
which is wonderful. And I'm sure that'll happen to you too.
But yeah, it's it's a different dynamic when you had
the escape of oh my boys, here, we're gonna go
to lacrosse game, We're gonna go to whatever that's gone.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jason Stein, like Sunday is normally
football Sunday, and now it's like dance.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Mom Sunday and Petties for you the worst show of
all time.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Mollie will like let her watch that, but won't let
her watch like Harry Potter, And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Harry Potter, but I'm like, you know, Dance Moms is
it is really bad?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The people ever, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, it's funny. So I in introing you guys
what struck me when I was reading back? I didn't
remember it being so late into the show, like this
is two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so
the show had been on for seven years. It was
only the fourth bachelorette that you were on, but you
were the thirteenth, fourteenth bachelor.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, thirteen.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
How many is it now? Do we know?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
One hundred?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
No, you know, it's funny. Even when I was on
the show and I cared, I never I never remembered,
like when they're like, oh, how many bachelors, I'm like,
I don't know, like someone's keeping track. I remembered years.
I knew, you know, I did it for go. I
was going on the twentieth year, and I actually wanted
to make it to twenty years. And then I was
honestly quite fine no matter what happened. But I went
(11:46):
nineteen and a half or whatever. That's how I remembered it,
because you know, for a while. And that's why when
I said, you were what thirteen or fourteen? Oh, apparently
I'm being told by my my intrepid producer Kendall that
we've done twenty eight or they're about to twenty eight,
so they've done twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, But do you remember, like if you don't remember names,
can you remember like I remember somebody or somebody like,
do you remember like the order, not a specific order,
but can you go like, hey, Ari was after Jason
or Diana, I was before so and so.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
For sure, you know what you know. What I have
trouble with what I forget is I vividly remember you
being the Bachelor. I do not remember you being on
Deanna season. If you put a gun to my head
and said, you know Jason, I was like, oh, yeah, no, Jason, Molly, Melissa,
the whole thing. I get it. Jillian, I remember, I
even remember the women from the show. And I remember
(12:39):
we were in New Zealand. I remember traveling. It was
a great season of travel. I don't remember where you
came from the Genesis story.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, you know, it's funny because I think there were
so many times back then where they would I remember
several times where I wanted to say something on camera
and then somebody would come to me and they'd be like, no, no,
don't say anything, like we need you to be quiet
and good.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
When you were on the Bachelor and I was on
the Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Oh well they wanted they were I thought, muting me
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's all the same, No, I I remember very early on.
And again something I also admitted to was, you know,
y'all didn't get the best of me. And I felt
terrible about that because when we all went through everything,
I wasn't fully baked as a producer and as a
host and as a friend. When I went through basically
the same thing with Ari, I was so much better
(13:31):
equipped to be a friend. And like I talked to
him so much off the air. He would call me
and I'm like, okay, man, this is what I know
for sure you're going to go through because my other
friend Jason went through this and it was it was
a lot, and so I was able to have those
conversations with you guys. It wasn't at a spite or malice.
I just it was all new to me, and I
also just admitted that it was the most dramatic thing.
(13:54):
When I say, you know, the most dramatic, I would
always throw that out. This was actually it for me
to this day, for me too, yeah, I'm sure, but
I mean to this day that shook me the most
because I was just I in a whole different way,
was going through it as well as something new, and
so I just I wasn't equipped to handle you guys
(14:16):
as well as I should have.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You remember when we were sitting on set and I
can't remember this is like when Molly came out and
Molly and I wanted to be like, hey, we're going
to try to go out and get to know each
other afterwards, and you were like okay, okay, okay, and
then your little buzz in your air here was like
they want you to kiss Jason, to give you a
rose Molly, and We're like, not gonna happen them. But
(14:41):
then they were like the stage and You're like.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, I don't know how to tell you guys, I'm
not getting a paycheck until this happens. And that's what
I'm talking about. There were those moments when much later
and actually it was a point of contention and part
of the mess that dissolved me from the show. I
(15:07):
got to the point where I could dictate, I could
hear things. They would tell me to do things, tell
me to say things, which isn't a bad thing. I'm
not putting this on the producers because that's just normal.
I am the filter, and I learned to be the filter,
and I learned to be a good filter of No,
these are human beings. I know this person. I'm not
going to do that. And then I would, you know,
(15:28):
subsequently subsequently get in a knocked out, drag out fight
with certain people about disobeying or whatever. But I was
fine with that. I'm like, I didn't mind picking those
hills with you guys. If they said, hey, no matter
how how stupid and dumb the idea is of like, hey,
give her a rose and make out with her, I
(15:49):
would say that, and I probably and I did say
that to you guys, And that's that was really a
bad idea because the moment didn't need that. And that's
my producer mind as well is my human being behind
of we didn't need that. We already had so much
that day.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You, Chris is your I love this version of Chris like,
we it's so funny as we've left the show and
we you know, you're friends with producers while you're on it,
and then they leave the show and they reach out
to you and they're like, we really fed that up.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Like everyone realizes once they're out of it how bad
it is when they were in it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh well, except for like I'm not going to name
any names, but remember we were having lunch with a producer, yes,
and this is after everything, and I was like, dude,
is a mail And I was like, how do you
live with yourself with all the stuff that you need
to ask us to do? And he said, verbatim, yeah,
I will never forget this. If they don't know what
they're getting into by now, it's their own fault. And
(16:50):
I was like, oh well, I said, like I kind
of knew what I was getting into, but I didn't
know how the producers interact with us. Yeah. I was
like that dude hasn't gotten over it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, and that was the issue I had, And again
it it got to the point where you know, I
was not a yes man anymore, and yours was kind
of that tipping point for me. Of like, I need
to be more involved and I can't just be a
patsy for this, and I can't just repeat what's said
to me or carry out these orders because I spent
(17:23):
so much time with you and I knew you were
human beings and I'm trying to facilitate this. Yeah, I'm
trying to make TV, and yeah, we can make it
dramatic and good. But at the same time, I disagree
with that statement that they said, I don't think you
fully know what you're getting into. Sure, you're signing up
for something you think the action adventure. You know there
(17:45):
might be some tears and heartbreak or whatever, but you
don't fully know until you get in there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I said the same thing. I'm like, dude, I like,
I knew that it was gonna be weird and I
was gonna learn how they make a TV show, But
I didn't think.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You really know how bad it is.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yes, I mean bad.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
We're I mean we're we will never like bite the
hand that feeds us, you.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Know, like we're shoe on that hand, croud that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To be a part of the show or whatever, but
we're happy to now be very removed.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, and as am I by the way, and I've
said this a million times, I'll say it again. The
show changed my life and it was a wonderful for
the most part. Obviously, there's always things in every job
that aren't great, and there's people that aren't great. But
for the most part, it was an amazing experience. I mean,
the reason I'm talking to you two and y'all are
friends of mine is because of the show, and so
I have so many things to be grateful for. It
(18:33):
changed my kids' lives, so there's a lot of love there.
There's just things, like in any anything you do for
twenty years that you care about, it's going to evolve
and change.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The biggest change he's heard was he said, y'all, I've y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's a lot of Austin Texas in me. Now it's
come back. For sure, it's come back. There's always you know,
there's always been a y'all in my vocabulary. It's now
two syllables. There's a y'all. It's like there's a subtle,
too syllable change there. That's when it starts to draw out.
But I and I remember, and I guess this is
(19:08):
what hit me too, Like I knew you guys were
very intimate leading up to that final day in New Zealand.
To me, that struck me. I'm like, these are two
people that are truly making love and trying to find
love and all you get read yeah, and we're shooting
this and so I don't want to make this weird.
(19:29):
And trust me, I never watched, but there's there's thing,
There's there are reasons I know, but it was just
to me there it was just this point in the
show that just hit me when all of this happened,
and it was kind of this come to Jesus moment
for me of like, Okay, you need to be different
because this is real and these people really are going
(19:49):
through this.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
The funniest thing for me, like we never spent a
ton of time together on the show because you like
fly in, fly out, right, But I remember after Jason
had sent me home and I was still in New Zealand,
and I drank an entire bottle of vodka that night
to get over it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And the next time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And then they were putting me on a plane the
next morning and at the little teeny teeny tiny New
Zealand airport. I think it was maybe even a private
plane to get you to another airport.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I had to go to Auckland.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
There you were there and I see you and you
just look at me and you're like, are you okay?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Broke down and started sobbing, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, that's the only time she's ever cried in her life.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I tend to make people cry. I remember that we
were down. We were up at the Bay of Islands
is where we finished. I believe we finished your show.
We went to Queenstown, then we went up to Bay
of Islands, and then we had to fly that small
plane back to Auckland before we get on that twelve
hour flight home. And so yeah, I would fly. I
flew with you, and I'm like, there was and I'll
(20:56):
be honest, there was that moment of like, oh crap,
like because I never knew who's on my plane or not.
And I'm like, oh, like what am I going to say?
Like you know, I just you're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You gave me a hug.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I care, Like that's the thing people are like, oh,
how do you do this? Like it's because I care.
The worst thing in the world is at the end
of the show, I knew, like even for Jason when
I knew he was going to go in and propose
to Deanna, and I'm like, oh, crap, like this is
you know, she's picking the snowboarder.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Dude, you know what happened? Like I'm like, I've told
this story before. So like as I'm pulling away after
proposing to her snowboarders, Jesse's pulling in and our cars
had to stop. No, like, hey, uh, can you give
Jesse either the ring box because like we don't have
another ring box. And at the time there was like
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an emotional connection, but I was.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Like, dude, shut up, damn freaking.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Show, Like are they doing this on purpose? Are they
really that dumb?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh my god, I could I watched Jason propose to Melissa.
I could see it from my hotel room.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh that's I mean, that's stuff we do to people
in Guantanamo Bay. That's like, that's like special Forces torture stuff.
Did we waterboard you? Like what was next? And that's
that is the humanity that sometimes gets lost where and
again I have to give a little leniency to some
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of these producers because all they're thinking is, oh, crap,
we have to get this neo layne box shot. We
only have one box and oh god, Jason has it.
So some PA yells to some intern PA who's like,
you know, sheepishly goes, hey, man, they don't, they don't,
they don't know there's they're so young and they don't
they don't have any idea. They're just trying to do
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a job, and they forget that these are human beings
that just got broken up with and back in the day,
and you guys were in the in this era. I
call back in the day, Well, we are old. I
am just know, I'm always going to be older than you.
It's okay. But you know, look we were only seven
years into it and it was still pretty i will say, innocent, naive,
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you know, like social media hadn't exploded. But there was
also this toxicity behind the scenes where there were no
rules like there is. The level of professionalism was maybe
at a.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
One, I mean a thousand, Like remember when place asked
you just like yeah, like really inappropriate stuff with producers
and the girls and like the producers saying things they
shouldn't like remember one thousand. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Oh my god, yeah it was. He made Jason look
like a good guy. It was Yeah, no, the level
of professionalism, and that's it. That's something else that changed,
you know, as we moved into the modern era of
the show. Thank god, it's the only way that we
could have survived. And I was and again, it was
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just I was so out of that circle for so
long that I didn't know that stuff like that was
going on. You know, you saw some stuff, but I'm like,
I'm out of my depth here. It's my first network gig.
I'm like, I'm excited to have the job. And so
I regret, you know, I couldn't have been that person
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because I wasn't prepared for that in my life at
that moment. But I wish I was. I probably would
have been off the show sooner because it just would
have blown up sooner than it did. Because eventually, enough
is enough and you got to draw that line in
the sand. Yeah, something that Lauren and I were talking
(24:39):
about and we were laughing. You guys made the first
infamous switch, and it's worked. It has been unbelievably successful.
So did Ari and Lauren laughingly said the couples that
chose the wrong person and ended up getting married have
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been more successful than the rest of the entire franchise.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
There's Sean Lowe and then the two of you.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, well, Ari and I talked about this long indeed,
because we're really good at what we do. We're real
estate agents and experts in love at the same time.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I don't know, you guys should definitely, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Exactly what it is. It allows switching like that, not
having the pressure of an engagement right away. It gives
you the time to create your own path in a relationship.
You know, Like I will stand by this woolheartedly. If
Jason would have proposed to me that final day, we
probably never.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Would have worked.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
What do you talk I mean, honestly, like it just
the pressure of that is insanity. And yeah, we were
able to date off camera and start our relationship completely
over before ending up getting married. So I think that's I.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Mean, that's that's what saved us. I've never really thought
about that, but that's actually a really interesting point because
it's like I've always thought of going through it almost
kind of twice where it's like the end of the show,
even though the audience wants to see this ring and
all this stuff, what it feels like more than anything
is like, hey, can we start can we really start
dating now?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
But you know everybody you is like, no, you're engaged
when you're like, I've spent forty hours with this person.
I got to get to know him atself.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And you start not believing the hype. But you see
the hype and you're on the cover of People magazine,
You're on the cover of every magazine. Back then, it
was I mean the amount of pressure you got. I
mean now the show and I again, I'm not saying
this to be a jerk, it's just the relevance is
minute compared to when you were on the show. I mean,
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the ratings were fifty times what it is now, and
so was the attention, and so was the news cycle,
and so you guys were not beloved, especially Jason Molly.
Did that have something to do with it too? Of
this that kind of bunker mentality of't you didn't have
the pressure of being the chosen ones. You kind of
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had the pressure of we don't love this.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, It very quickly forced us to go back to
our regular lives too, Like I know, you know this, Chris,
like the Hollywood lifestyle. After the Bachelor ruins, People ruins up,
you know, and like they feel like that's like they're
just rolling in the money and the events and the
shine and the glitz or whatever. But that's not real life.
That's going to go away. There's another couple the next
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season that will be around, you know. And so we
just went back to normal life and dated and got
to know about that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And I wish people knew this about you, because I
remember several conversations with you, and other people would talk
to you, and I could almost envision being at an
airport and you giving advice not to me, to somebody
else and saying like, listen, don't do that, Like go
back to your normal life. And if you're a real
esta agent or a salesman or whatever it is, you're
going to kill it in that business. Yeah, don't go
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do this other thing and try to host the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Ben Higgins had a tough time with that, and Ben
and I really sat down and had that conversation. I'm like,
let it enhance your life, life, don't let it change
your life. And it's tough because and again you go
back to that producer saying to you, Oh, they know
what they're getting into you don't How do you know
what it's like to living Washington as a single dad
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and then be on Jimmy Kimmel and then beyond Jay Leno,
which was a thing back then, to be on the
cover of Very magazine, to be to lead entertainment Tonight
and Access and everything every night. You don't know, and
and I'll never forget. Trista was was the first one
I kind of heard in this area when she went
(28:34):
on the View and she came back and I said, oh,
you did a great job, you know what. She's like, Yeah,
you know, I may, I may actually like work there.
I'm like, what what do you mean? She goes, well,
they said I was so great, I could come back
anytime and edit editor. I said, oh no, I'm like,
like they say that to everybody, but you do. You
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get you get caught up and you're flying first class,
you're talking red carpets, you're you know, presenting at award shows,
and you don't realize that this is going to be
gone as soon as there is another one, and it's difficult,
and so yeah, if you can go back and be
amazing real estate moguls, which you guys have done awesome,
people know you. People feel like they know you, so
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use that capitalize on it for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how we handle it. It
definitely enhances our business, but it is not the anchor
of our business.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So typically, like you don't even want to say it
unless somebody's like someone, well, they're like, how do I
know your face? I'm like, you really want to talk
about do.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You want to find your dream home? Or do you
want to go down my dark dark path?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah? No, it's I mean, it's present in our life
when it needs to be, but it's not every day,
which is we prefer it.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Honestly, that is a great way to live. It's very healthy.
And you know, because we also televised your wedding I
believe it is in twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That was a really good It was being awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It was bonkers.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I would go back and do that one hundred times over.
It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's when I knew you may be the coolest chick
in the world, because any other bride would have lost
her mind. Because when I tell you folks that it
was storming outside and this was an outside wedding, I
can't begin to tell you the tropical like tropical storm
(30:29):
that hit during their wedding.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
There was a tsunami warning that day.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It was we were at the Terran Air Resort in
southern California, just south of LA.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
But I also know it helped knowing that you had
like a world class makeup artist some time.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I didn't care, Like I was like, as soon as
this is on TV, they don't I mean for me to.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
They don't want me to. We wish the best for you.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Knew I had hair and makeup waiting for me. When
I was done, Like, I wasn't even I was just
having fun. It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It was it. It was crazy. So yeah, so are
people that don't remember when we televised this. In twenty ten,
the mother of all storms hit southern California. You know,
they say it's goodluck if it rains on your wedding day.
Bull crap. This was blowing thirty miles an hour sideways.
It was I mean, plant everything, you know, the art
I felt so bad for the art department because everything
they did blewe to Kingdom come, plants falling over, flying
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down the aisle. We had to try to cover everything.
We're trying to give everybody umbrellas, but that doesn't work
because it's just also blowing so hard. And so you
guys get married in the rain in just this epic storm,
and it actually turned out to be one of the
coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was it was like the pictures looking back and
like this is it's just awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And then afterwards we were cool, but it was clear,
and Sonny too, c and then we all like took
a couple hours. We left and like dried out, changed
our clothes, got hair and makeup, and then we showed
up at what turned out to be an awesome party
the rest of the night.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, you know what that behind the scenes issue with
us taking forever to get ready and dried off and
all of that. Some of my like high school friends
and sorority sisters, like they got so drunk before the
reception even started because we took like two hours to
get ready. Again, like one girl.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Like one of your sorority sisters puked on the table.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Even remember the reception.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, the day got delayed because of the rain, and
then it got delayed because of the rain afterwards as well,
and so yeah, we hadn't fed anybody. There was no
food and everybody was just drinking and drinking and drinking
and it just went sideways.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh thank god for that in and out truck that
pulled in later. Yeah, I know, no kidding, that was
I've never been happier with an in and out burger
in my life. Was like around midnight when that thing
rolled in and just crushed it. But you know, one
of those things I loved. I loved about Tristan Ryan's wedding, y'all.
Wedding was like this is when we would take over
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a resort and it was just us. It was just
your friends. And when people when we're doing a wedding,
the cool thing is, yeah, there's there's the television people around, producers,
but it's your people. Like you said, it's your sorority sisters,
it's your best friends, it's your family. So there was
I don't know if you guys remember that little bar
that had the fire pit there off the cliffs there.
We would go down and it was just mixing and
(33:24):
mingling with your friends and everybody's telling their Jason and
Molly stories. It really is like an actual wedding where
we're just sharing this stuff and we're sharing this love
and so it I love the feeling of that, and
I I try to encapsulate that every time we would
do a wedding.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
What about what about when Gavin de grat tried to
make out with all your.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
With my sorority system, he was is he married?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, well that's you're saying, like everyone was trapped at
this resort, right they went in. No one knew where
they were going.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So Gavin de Grau hooked up with one of your
sorority sisters.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
One or multiple. I think he's like, who's the biggest
star here? It's me and Chris Harrison.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, Gavin de Grau well played, sir, well played. I
don't know if that's that was part of the writer
of agreement. Yeah, I know, Sparkling Water, two bridesmaids and
I stayed dinner. What a party man?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That was.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It was again, it was just weird times because it
was so young and innocent, even though we'd been doing
it for almost a decade. It was just crazy. And
then now you guys build this life, you go back
to Washington, and I just love how quickly you guys
were able to not drop off the map by any means,
because you would still come and do things for us
all the time, but just started enjoying your life and
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had a child and you know, raising Tie as well.
And I loved to see you guys. It was the
Ryan and Trista method. I loved it. Get away and
live your life.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Well we have. I mean, part of it is we
had to, like, no matter what people think, you're still
on a reality show, so we have to go back
to work. And Molly like was getting recruited to do
jobs here right away, right you got recruited by the
shoe company and I went and I had to go
back to work right away. So there was no and
you know, Ty isn't going to be like, well did
you guys have fun on TV? Go ahead and enjoy
your vacation for the next.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Five years life.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Like you like, you know, when you have a kid,
you're totally grounded and like, thinking back to it, like
Ty has no recollection of any of that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Really, can we can we talk about the tie of
it all?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I mean he was four or five years old. Yeah,
I remember that. I remember meeting this little kid, such
a Seahawks fan, and you know, he was around the
show from time to time and we'd hang out just
this little kid, and I again didn't pay attention until
I saw on your social media graduating high school off
(35:55):
to Boise State. Looks like a grown ass man. Yeah,
so so much better looking than you, So much better looking.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Than you, and so much nicer. Yeah, well behaved.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He's like literally the best. He's the best human he is.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He just Isn't that what you want? You want your
kids to not only have a better option a life
and choices and but to be better human beings.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was weird dropping him
off because that first day, it is just a couple
of weeks ago, we had the boys to drop him off,
and that like the first day he's like, hey, my
roommate wants to go to a concert, right, And we're like, oh, man,
like we're here with you, but like that's what you
want to see too. Yeah, what did we do?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We went out with We went out with his ex wife,
her husband, and.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We ended up at a club that night.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
It's funny you say that it is a there are
a few times when you come back together and it's
for children, and so we did the same. We had
a big dinner. My ex was there, Lauren of course
is there, her husband is there, and we all, you know,
crack a bottle because it's still it's it's also no
matter what kind of divorce you went through or whatever,
it's still an accomplishment that the two of you and
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all of you now as a unit have done. Like Molly,
you put your time and energy into Tie and I
know you know Lauren did the same for my kids,
and it's it is a beautiful moment, if only a
moment at least you come back together for a second
to celebrate and watching, you know, knowing that you drop
Tie off, was it a were you emotional? Did you
(37:30):
cry because you're a ball bag?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I'm a ball bag.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well I've never seen him cry other than that scene
on TV.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
That's it. Well I'm also, yeah, an actor obviously. Yeah,
So you know what's like, I think the one time
where it really hit me was you're in like at Boise,
they have this like freshman orientation where everybody goes into
the basketball arenac and somebody's president of the university's upfront,
Like when they started talking about their future and everything.
That's when it really got to me. Yeah, like where
they've been, where they're going like the drop off. Weirdly enough,
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he came home the first two weekends for various things.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How close is Boise State to you guys? A short drive?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, it's a long drive, so you have to go
through the mountains. But the flight is like an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's super easy. He has to come back to go
to the Drake concert, very important.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Speaking to having fantasy football draft.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It easy because Ty was so ready. He was so excited.
He made friends right out of the gate. Like the
first two nights of us dropping them off at college,
he was like, I don't even want to hang out
with you guys. I want to go with my friends.
So it's like he was ready to fly. Yeah, and
it made it easier to let him go.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You know, I want to just think like the last
couple of years, you know, once you got through COVID
and you get your license and all of a sudden,
it's sports and he's driving everywhere on his own and
he's got his own life. So like that last two
years of pushing away from us, and it's funny, like
he even said when he was in town over the weekend,
He's like, you know, it's weird, like it feels like
high school in some ways, just.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Bigger, bigger, Yeah, and doing things for you.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, when when you've done your job right, they want
to be independent and they they leave you. And it's
but it is a great thing. I had just had
my kids, uh here for the Labor Day weekend, and
I had six kids in my house, you know, roommates,
sorority sisters, what have you. And it's you just look
at it and you're like, this is beautiful, Like this
is all I've wanted for them.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And you know what was really interesting this past year
is Tie and all of his friends decided to come
to our house every night and watch our season of
The Bachelor. In no way, yes, And it was the
most ten nights of my life.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh no, I was just laughing at you. Oh god.
It was like she was so embarrassed, and I'm like, listen,
they were bound, they were bound to find out about it. No,
I know.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So all these kids, all.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Of them, like like when you say, everybody was me
over to your house, like.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
They sat down and watched start to finish the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Finish the thing. It was humiliating.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
What were there? It was what were their comments like, well,
they had.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Actually really good comments. But what would be bad is
like I would go sequester myself in my room because
I'd be so embarrassed and I just hear all of
my at the same time be like, Oh, I'm like,
oh my god, what did they just see?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Oh my god, that's amazing. What did they think of
your skills? Jason?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
They well they all look up to me, so obviously.
It's like they love my skills, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I bet I bet they would just realize now because
they have they are so much more evolved than we
were and are, and they're so much better at talking
and communicating that I bet they just feel like, man,
y'all were out of touch. Y'all were so out of touch.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
God. I just keep on thinking, Thank God Instagram.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It wasn't I know, I know, it's I'm so glad
I got to go to school, like without all of that,
you know. Is that something you guys have trouble with
with Riley?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
H No, not yet. Well she doesn't have a phone,
yete phone yet She's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Because I saw her at the Taylor Swift concert. Yeah,
are y'all swifties?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I mean you have to be if you're not.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Jason, don't shake this off, like, don't don't like shake
your head like it's not cool to be a swiftye
that she's not amazing in every way possible, because she is.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I just here's here's my confusion with her. Okay, okay.
The super Bowl is once a year, right, yes, and
it's self doubt and tickets are very expensive. Taylor Swift
is on tour for two years straight and every show
is like the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, tickets are.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
The super Bowl is once a year. Taylor Swift has
one hundred and seventy nine thousand concerts.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Instead of being confusing, what that should tell you? And
I love the Dallas Cowboys, you love the Seahawks. Let's
say that the Seahawks and Cowboys are playing every day.
I don't care. There's a point, there's a point where
I just won't care about this aim anymore. Taylor Swift,
her tour will not ever have that. But it's also
(42:06):
different because billions can watch every game, and you like,
if we all tuned in every night to watch the
same Taylor Swift show, we would probably grow old as well.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
So the concert's going on, that's great. You know what
you do, make a movie about it, Yeah, and put
it in the theaters. Everybody by the ticket.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I'm hey, I'm but I feel the same about you too,
Like I'm going to go see them in Vegas. I
love rattle and Hum. I'm all, I get it. And
my daughter is the biggest swift in the world. And
so she went by her again without us. She's in college,
so she went with her friend to the one at
Texas Stadium and she's like, it changed my life. She's
like I would go. She's like, I want to just
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keep traveling and go see her over and over.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And I love how much how passionate people are, because
I feel like she is a good person, But how
does it change your life?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Her daughter, so she's.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Also ten, so like her life has got a shorter space.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
There is that show, the You two show. Lauren was
amazing enough to get me this particular advertisement. I was
sixteen years old. I was playing soccer over in Europe
with this traveling team and we're in Wales and we
ran into You two in Cardiff, Wales, and I wasn't
even that huge of a U two fan, but it
was just there are moments in time when you are
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so impressionable, and there's a moment like it is for Riley,
like it is for my daughter right now with Taylor Swift.
But what I find, and Lauren brought this up, what's
incredible is that Taylor Swift isn't a kid. Her group
of people that grew up with her are still fans,
but now Riley's a fan. Like she has captured the
next generation as well. It is a phenomenon like we
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have not seen in many, many decades. Even throwing out
the Beatles or the Stones, I mean, the biggest names
in music. She's there now, I mean and Riley.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
So they went to the concert, right and then the
next day, Hi and his girlfriend took Riley and sat
outside the concert because you could hear it, Yeah, she's
like again.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Are you kidding? Ty took his little sister to sit
outside so she could listen.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Oh my gosh, she's so good with her. He is
so good with her. They've gotten so close.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I don't know what you did to deserve that, but
that is like, think about that. Think about what you're
just saying, Like, I promise you, Ty didn't want to
go sit in the parking lot and listen to you
with swift.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
He did did. Yeah, it was so sweet that.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like so when Taylor is my Taylor went to her concert,
she ubered in it's always easy to get into a concert,
it's impossible to get out. So she called her brother
who was forty five minutes away in Fort Worth, and said,
come pick me up. It's eleven thirty at night. And
he got out of bed went when picked up his
little sister. And that's those are the things when you're like,
(44:53):
I don't know what I did, but thank god, these
are good human beings.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yes, well I don't know. So my only memory memory
of your kids, because it wasn't that, it was the
opposite of that, is they come in and I think
were the itelliens. Well, we had a foosball table down
because the year I was on the Bachelorette we stayed
in the house down below and you could bring your
kids from the kids would come from time to time,
(45:17):
and dude, when they went head to head in foosball,
I don't know if a foosball table, but they went,
they went at it.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They there. They would get contentious from time to time. Yeah,
they they they I mean, look, they had their moments
and I think what Riley and Tie are much further
apart in age minor a year and a half apart.
They are two years apart. So yeah, they there was
definitely that that phase they went through. But at the
end of the day, they are very close now and
I'm like, I'm so thankful for that because they're at
(45:46):
the same college, which is crazy unbelievable how that worked out.
Where else was where else was Thie looking to.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Go University of Washington, So he looked at all the
Washington schools, Oregon School STSU or University of Oregon, San Diego, Arizona.
But I think he just wanted something a little bit smaller. Yeah,
we actually have some Like I was telling you, we're
gonna be down in Austin because some of my closest
friends and clients are moving down there. Although she is
(46:15):
the mother is worried because coming from this climate down
to the air, She's like, it's one hundred and ten, sorry,
maybe one hundred and forty nine.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It can be it can be warm, it can be
very so. But I mean, I can't wait for you
guys to get down here. I can't wait to show
you around. You're gonna absolutely you'll love it. And look,
I think what we do is we summer up in
Washington and.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Then we winter down here Albertas.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
And you guys need some vitamin D. When you need
some sunshine, you come down here before you go. Though,
I do want to talk about what you guys are
doing with your life, because y'all have absolutely crushed it
and it's I love that you're doing it together. You guys,
when when did that kind of combinations start?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Jason's been doing real estate for over ten years. Yeah,
built a really really solid business, and he was like,
I need your help.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Well, she's so organized and creative, and you know, she
was doing like she left the the she was in
the radio business for a little while. But as soon
as she left, I'm like, okay, can we do this together?
And we did have a negotiation.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
We did. He was like, if you come help me
with work, you can build the house that you want
to build.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
That's why we almost the trade. So hopefully just a
few weeks away from moving into our house. But like
we had a fair trade.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
That was a fair trade.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, that is that's quite the carrot you dangled there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's quite the deal. I know, I know, but it's
been good though. I mean we do have everyone's like
how do you work together? And we do have moments
where like moments, Yeah, I'm like, you go to the
office today, all work from home, just so we're like separated.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
But well, I mean we're in the office today and
this is the first day you've been in the office
for a while. Yeah, several weeks.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Interesting. You guys bring so much to the table. Obviously
you're smart and talented, but you're also a couple and
you've been through something so public. Buying a house is
so emotional. Do you have advice for people? Do you
find that you also help people kind of emotionally with
such a big job.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
You're you're a therapist for sure, because they're going through
one of the most stressful moments of their life, packing
a house, moving, picking out the biggest purchase of their life. Yeah,
it's I mean, we talked through a lot of emotions
with people.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, and I think probably in some ways it does
help because a lot of our clients do know who
we are, recognize us, and so because of that familiarity
with like, oh, we we already feel like we trust
them and hope hopefully they really do that those conversations
probably come a little easier. Plus, I took a few
credits in psychology.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And so you're basically a psychologists.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Basically a psychologist from that university.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, I always said, it's like, I'm like, I'm not
a doctor, but I definitely have put enough hours in
to be. Yeah, at this point, I feel like, as
they say, I've seen a few things, Yes, yes you have,
and you guys were definitely one of those things. That
was such a lightning bolt moment that for the franchise,
(49:09):
for me, for you, and it's this thing that no
matter what happens in my life, I will always remember
it and I will always have this bond with the
two of you. And at the time, I don't think
I would have had this perspective, but I consider it
special now and I don't know if that's right, but
I feel like I think about it with fondness.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, I think we do too.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Like I think there was some like initially because I
knew what it was going to look like and how
that was going to play out. I was there was
some animosity back then, but I think now when I
look back at it, it was just a really interesting experience.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, It's so funny though, like we're so far moved.
It's like weird to even think like we were on
a TV show at one point, you know, like it's
been fifteen years since we filmed our season, you know.
And I even like when you had promoted like do
you have questions for Jason and Molly, I was like,
I three years ago. I looked at Jason, I was like,
I'm not doing interviews about the show anymore. I'm just like,
(50:05):
I'm done with it. I don't I don't remember. It
was so long ago, you know, and like so it's
not really a part of our day to day life,
but it is a very fond memory. To go down
this lane with you and talk.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
About it, well, I appreciate it. I've never had, as
you said, an open, honest, really candid conversation with you too.
I've had the other type of conversations where we all
smile and shake our head and answer the right questions.
But I was happy to have a real conversation with
you guys and get to the truth. And I love
(50:37):
you guys, and Yell are in such a good season
with your lives, your business, with Riley starting fifth grade,
I can't wait to hear how the first day of
school went, and Tye it did. By the way, is
he in a fraternity.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
He's not doing a fraternity. Fraternities aren't real big and
poise like.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
It depends on the school.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, I mean I was a big sorority girl. Jason
was a big fraternity guy. He's taking a different path,
but he's.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Super hid different school.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Is in a sorority, you know, see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
That's I mean, he's so level headed, but he's learning
a lot in the first couple of weeks of school. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, you know, when we would reach out to people
on uh, you know, the most dramatic pod ever on
our Instagram unanimously, you guys were the ones people were
asking about. People were clamoring to get you. Yeah, I know,
I'll be honest, and I don't mean to be mean.
I was like, really I didn't. Okay, great, we'll die back.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
You're irrelevant. We are such old news.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
But that's the great thing is you're not and uh
and people still bond over this and love you guys,
and it just you know, you never it never ceases
to amaze me how many people we touched with the
show and for how long we did it, and that's
and that's and you guys were a huge part of that.
So I thank you. I thank you guys for your friendship,
your support, your love, and for coming on the show
(51:58):
and for being honest today. It has been such a
pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Awesome, Chris. Let's take it to the course.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Bring it you guys, get to Austin. Let me know
when you're coming to town. I got it all.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah, sweet man, I'll be both of you.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
By the way, I've seen your swing. You look really good. Yeah,
it looks real good. I don't know how many houses
you're selling, but your candy cap has come down. Yeah,
all right, guys, take care.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, thanks Chris, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever,
and make sure to write us a review and leave
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Lauren Zima
Chris Harrison
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