April 19, 2023 • 46 mins
Juicy Scoop host Heather McDonald is spilling all for Chris.
The Love is Blind live tv hot mess reminds Chris of one of his own live tv disasters.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris Harrison,
coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.
A very special show today because we have a special guest.
She's a comedian, New York Times bestselling author, host of
the podcast Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald. I may have
(00:22):
just given it away, but Heather McDonald is joining me
on the show. We're going to talk to her and
talk about her life, but we're also going to talk
about current events, talk about what's going on in the world,
get her take on the headlines of the day. And
Heather joins us now from her home in Los Angeles,
where we used to be neighbors. Are close to neighbors,
but I am in the home office in Austin, Texas.
(00:44):
So this is how we're going to meet and talk
via zoom today.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Cool. Great, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You. I'm looking at your life, comedian and I went
through everything you're doing. Actress and New York Times best
selling author and podcast host, all these things. Yet I
look at your life and is it fair to say
and I don't mean this in a bad way. It's
unbelievably boring and normal. Married for twenty years, you have kids,
(01:14):
you're a mom, You're set up in the valley. There
where's the darkness that Hollywood's supposed to bring.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, I do feel extremely lucky, and a lot
of my listeners of Juicy Scoop as moms are sweet
enough to be like envious of it because it is
the best of all of it, you know. It's like
I used to someone said, by my next book should
be like having it most because you can't really have
it all that you couldn't have a lot like you know.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, you're going to miss out on stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
If you're a working parent, you're going to miss out
on being there for every moment for your kid.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It just it just is the facts.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And there's gonna be certain times in your life as
you know that it's inevitable that you're going to miss
these things, you know. So it's like, as someone who
worked full time on Chelsea Lately when I wrote and
produced that show for seven and a half years, I
was really lucky to have that job as pretty much
home every night, but I had a two hour commute
one hour each way, and like, so I did miss
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you know, some of the childhood stuff. But since the
show's been off for almost I think eight years now,
my sons are twenty and seventeen, and I feel like
having the flexibility that I've had in the last seven
years just doing just stand up on the weekends occasionally,
not every weekend, and doing the podcast has I feel
(02:38):
like I was there more for what I believe, the
more important years, like the teenage years and stuff. But
I still feel bad about the poetry readings and stuff
I miss. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It is very healthy though, as a parent and as
someone who was divorced for half of my kids kind
of childhood and going through it as a single parent,
it's important to realize you can't have it all and
that's okay. It's okay. You know, I grew up. I'm
I don't know how old you are. I'm fifty one.
So you know my parents in the seventies worthy I
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was a latch key kid me till you know, till
you just come home, open the door. You'd be alone
till dinner sometimes, and your parents warn't it every soccer practice,
your parents warned every poetry reading and then we went
to the helicopter mode. So I think we're okay, settling
somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know what's really funny about that is so my dad.
So I'm fifty two and my dad had me at
like forty six. I was the youngest of five. I was,
you know, like the fifth mistake or whatever they joked about.
But it was fine, and so, you know, he he
grew up. He was a World War Two vette from
seventeen to twenty. And at one time my mom said
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to him, what do you mean you're not going to
go to the boys. My older brothers played sports. You know,
you have to go to their games and everything. Didn't
your father always go to yours? And not until my
dad till my mom said that to my dad did
my dad realize.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And he was like an incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Athlete, got a scholarship to hosta playing football, basketball, he
was like four letters. Not till that moment did he
realize that his dad never went to one of his games.
And his dad was a fireman, like a fire chief,
and he was Irish, but he was born in America,
and it like he never realized that his parents never
went because like that generation they didn't go well.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't know when that changed though. Of Yeah, when
I played sports kind of like you did, it wasn't
for my parents. The sports was for me.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, totally. And I mean the same thing I remember,
like I was doing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I was a cheerleader at Cresby the Boys' School and
I went to Louisville and you know, I did it
for one year and so I had my parents go
to one game, but they're kind of like why, Like
you're just cheering with these twelve other girls. And then
I didn't make it for varsity and I was so upset.
Mom's like, you weren't that good at it. It's not
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what you should be doing. She goes, you should be
doing the plays. And that was like the first time
I realized that like being fired or having someone break
up with you, or you know, something like that is
always meant to be. You just don't realize it in
the moment, but it's always meant to be. Had I
made the cheerleading, like I, you know, I wouldn't have
had the great experience junior and senior year of like
(05:25):
really doing the theatrical art stuff is which what I
should be doing, not cheering.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I always say, and having been through it, I
went through the last couple of years. You know, God
does grant us these blessings in our life. It doesn't
always come in this cute little gift wrap box under
the tree and go exactly how you saw in your dreams,
but right, nevertheless, it gives you those opportunities to do
what you should be doing, need to be doing. But
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I felt so guilty when I was traveling around the
world for the show. You know, I would be, you know,
on a beach somewhere in Bora, Bora, whatever, and my
kids are playing in a big game, or my daughter
was in theater and she had a big play, and
you're sitting there and maybe you're watching it on FaceTime
at four in the morning. But you just feel so
detached and you feel so guilty. And we got to
(06:12):
give ourselves some grace on that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean, And there's just there are those moments
as a working parent who also travels, and I just remember,
like doing stand up, I was always getting booked for
Mother's Day weekend because every club would be like, oh,
let's get Heather.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
She's a mom. People will take their moms, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But that would That means like I would be at
some hotel on Mother's Day and seeing all these people
celebrating their mother at the brunch place or whatever, and
I was just like, oh my god, like it made
me so sad that I didn't like have that. But
then I was also like, but this is a big
weekend for me as a mother comedian, like I'm not
gonna and so you know, it is those times where
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you're like, I just you have to make it when
you can make it, you know, And and you're gonna
miss You're gonna some stuff, and that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Just know that you're gonna miss some stuff. I guess
kids don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The kids they will never care. No, the kids are fine.
I mean, it's nice when they see you up there,
but they don't need you at every practice. They don't
need you at every single performance. And by the way,
it's great when they can call you and tell you
how they did and you can just listen right now.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And sometimes I'm like do you want me there and
they're like no, and I'm like all right, fine. Then
like if I'm gonna stress you out or you're like
I'm not that great in it, or whatever, and like
they're just like honest with me, you know. And what
I love is as the kids get older, I just
have such a good time with my sons, just like laughing,
like I'll just you know, and do it. Like I'll
just go on the golf cart with my son and
(07:39):
I don't even play until he'll play two balls. And
his name's Drake, and he'll play Drake one and Drake two,
and then I'll just whichever one is leading, that's the
one I'll do for the putting. And that's that and
we just like talk the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You had this kind of famous incident where you passed
out on stage just back in twenty twenty two, and
this really triggered me so much. First of all, you
fractured your skull, got a concussion. Yes that that that
can last? Are you good now? Do you still have
the effects of that?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean yes, So when when people wi when I
say I cracked my skull, there was no bleeding, but
yes I had a cracked skull bleeding. Yes, yes, I
went so fast down. I never had faded before in
my life, certainly never on stage. But I've never fainted ever.
And and so I was like out of a movie
where I woke up and I'm like seeing you know,
(08:34):
people their faces ahead of me like a movie camera,
you know, like, oh my god. And I literally was like,
this can't be happening. This has to be a dream.
And so I went to the hospital and everything, and
and they get say there might be some effects up
to two years. The only time I feel it is
sometimes once in a while if I'm like doing pilates
(08:55):
and I come up too fast or whatever, I'll be like,
just give me a second.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So there's a little little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But that's like the it just not not in and
every day walking around, nothing like that. And it's never
happened since. And they have no idea why it happened,
and I don't know either, and.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I think I went
back and watched it. You were literally talking about how
you just got vaccinated and you're I'm fine, there are
no effects. It almost seemed like you meant to do
it in the moment, like it was physical comedy. I'm
sure something today.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
They definitely thought it was.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And I mean, and what kills me is that, like
it's not that funny because the way when I'm on
stage for an hour and fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You build up to the closer.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The beginning part is throw away jokes and whatever you
don't come out with like the great. So I was
coming out because it was still COVIDY time, and I
was just like, I had some COVID jokes, but my
jokes were very much on both sides. I really did
start to see like like stars and I.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Was like WHOA, Like, Okay, I don't know how. I'm thinking,
how am I going to get through an hour and
a half of this? This has got to pass.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So in wanting it to pass, I just took like
a couple of steps as I was talking, thinking that
would like I don't know, and then and then I
just went down.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So when I saw this, it was so triggering because
what I have never passed out. I've never fainted in
my life. My greatest fear is fainting and passing out
on live TV on the set. And it's only almost
happened one time. It was been flantic season of the Bachelor,
and I was kind of sick. I had the flu,
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as it turned out later, but so I was a
little bit feverish, I was dehydrated, and I was in
the middle of I don't know if you remember that season.
There's this girl, Courtney Robertson, who was the final choice,
and it was very controversial, and this was the big
first interview, and when we got into it, it got really.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Diff She she had like long, dark, hairy.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Beautiful girl, and it got really serious really quick, and
we dove into this and it was emotional, and all
of a sudden, I'm like, I can't I can't like
see you know, as you said, things start narrowing and
I'm like, I'm going to pass out. And you have
this inner monologue, which I'm sure you did. You start
thinking I'm gonna pass out. I'm going to pass out.
It got to the point where I was thinking, because
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you know our set, we have nine thousand candles everywhere,
and I'm thinking, Okay, if you pass out, fall to
the left, because if you fall to the right, you're
gonna get a face full of hot wax and candles.
And I was kind of whispering into my microphone while
she was talking. The producer can kind of hear me.
I was whispering, Hey, we have to take a commercial break.
(11:38):
I'm gonna faint. I'm about to faint, please go to
Break and they're like, we gotta wait, we gotta wait,
this is amazing. I said, no, you don't understand. This,
can't wait. I am going down, And so somehow we
got to break. I was in a cold flop sweat.
I went backstage and made it to a couch and
just essentially all but passed out. And it took about
(12:00):
an hour before I could get off the couch and
come back and finish the show. But that's always been
my fear. And when I saw you, I'm like, oh
my gosh, it happens.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean, it happens.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I think that's why they, you know, with everything
going on, they they've.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Gotten a lot of people because.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We do a lot more things on TV, you know,
or YouTube or whatever. Everything's filmed. There's cameras everywhere, so
it's like, I think it's just you know, a more
something you see. But what's interesting is that I someone
reminded me that on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I have said I have a fan I have a
fainting fantasy.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh okay, I thought it was and I literally said,
like three years ago, I have a fainting fantasy where
I faint and then I look up and everybody's around
me and they're like, hey, there, what happened. But I
never thought, well, if you faint and you hit your head,
it's gonna be painful.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I just I always.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Imagine it like fainting in a movie, like on a
soft couch, and then like what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Like strong fireman's arms.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, but I will tell you, yeah, it's not a
fun thing and I should not have manifested that at all.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's not sexy doing it face planning on stage, speaking
of you know, our biggest fear having these catastrophes and
(13:29):
live moments. Love is Blind was supposed to go live
with their reunion show with Nick and Vanessa hosting, and
something happened at Netflix. Somebody kicked a chord out, somebody
forgot to reboot, and Netflix could not get the live
feed up, and they kept promising, it's going to be
a minute, it's going to be fifteen minutes, it's going
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to be another hour. It never got up. It's finally
up today. They just stopped and said we're going to
record it and put it up. But that was a
pretty epic moment of not being able to do live television.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I didn't even really realize that it was live till
you just said it. I just thought it was scheduled
and it wasn't going up. But I had watched Love
is Blind in the past, and I had not watched it.
I had, you know, it downloaded on to watch on
a plane, but instead I read Paris Hilton's book because
I'm a reader. And so then when my my friend
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who's on the show today for tomorrow, Sarah Klona, She's like, oh,
I can't get the no one can get the Love
is Blind reunion. And it was like six forty five,
and I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to
like sped through the thirteen episodes so that when it's
up I can talk about it tomorrow. So I still
haven't seen it because it never was up as of
(14:47):
ten pm last night when I went to bed. But
between six forty five and ten I did get through
the whole season.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They caught a lot of flak online, and being a comedian,
I'm going to run these by you.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I thought the oh wait, let me just wait, let
me ask, do you think this might have been on purpose? No,
because people like me ended up watching it. So this
watched the whole season yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I am of the opinion some people are saying it's
a big deal and it's going to hurt Netflix, It'll
hurt Love is Blind. I am not in that camp.
I do not think it hurts them. I think Netflix
is a fifty thousand pound gorilla. There's still the gold
standard in streaming. I don't think it's going to hurt
them in the long run. But this was a move
to continue off the Chris Rock special, which was live
(15:28):
that we can that we can do live TV. We're
not just a streamer anymore. We can do live events.
Amazon has Thursday Night Football they're doing live now. So
this kind of move to doing live events is a
big deal for these streamers to get that live content.
And so this was a pretty big gaff. I don't
think it's the kind of press that hurts you that bad.
Because everybody's talking about it. I wouldn't be talking about
(15:49):
Love is Blind today.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know, it is crazy that we were able to
live stream the landing on the Moon but not the reunion.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That was the joke. So I was going to run
these bys.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like I'm like, oh really, because I'm like, you know,
and I still kind of listen.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I like the TikTok so I am.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I remember Keena Everywayne said when I wrote White Chicks
with Keenan and the guys, and I remember he was
the first one that put the doubt in my mind
about the landing on the moon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Wasn't the Moon Landing live in nineteen sixty nine? Although
you know, some people believe it was on a set
somewhere in Hollywood, which is we'll see. So Trina Water said,
wasn't the Moon Landing live? And then there was another
good joke, Oh Hunter why? Harris said, Hey, Netflix, have
you thought about putting it in a bag of rice?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's pretty good. Yeah, I like it, But again, I
don't think you know everybody jumped on lines said oh
this is really a big deal. It's not a big
deal because if you love the show, you're just gonna
you're gonna find it. It's that's what streaming is all about.
It would have been nice as a television host, and
I'm sure you may feel the same way. I just
(17:01):
want to see these things go off with that hitch.
I want to see them work because I think it's
important to just keep progressing and have more live TVs.
And have more live events.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I didn't even really realize. I didn't really associate it
with being live. I just thought, you know, they always
do they do that where you can binge it, but
then you've got to wait a couple weeks or whatever.
So I thought that was like the anticipation, like are
these couples still together? We saw these three got married,
this one didn't. I didn't even think about the fact
of what you're saying, of why it is important as
(17:34):
like a television aspect of having live streaming stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Do you watch that show?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I have a little bit just because I watch a
little bit of everything that just kind of comes into
this world just so I can see who's hosting, who's
producing it. Some of my friends produce on all these shows.
I want to see what they're up to, see what
the spin is on, you know, kind of our original
idea of Bachelor, Bachelerette and where it's where it is now.
But the live of it all, it's I was thinking back.
(18:01):
We did so many live events on The Bachelor, and
I hosted Miss America for many years. I did the
Spelling Bee at ESPN, all those events. It's just commonplace.
You don't even think about it not going live and
the fact that it won't work. I mean that part
you got to have down. I mean the satellites up.
You can see the satellites up if New York can
(18:23):
see you, and vice versa. I don't know where this
mishap happened. It's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I watched The Love Is Blind and I've watched it
in the past, and I do think it's interesting that
I said, anybody that goes on this show really should
be going on one hundred percent to really find a spouse,
because these people aren't really popping after like the way
in the past where the Bachelor and Bachelors, the people
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are not popping like they did five years ago either.
But you know where you'd have all these opportunities and stuff.
It's just they really don't. It's like, if you're doing
it to try to get a whole new career, this
is not.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The show to do.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I agree, there's too.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Many people and if they don't pop.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, and I don't think this is not a knock
on the Bachelor Bacherette, but that world is not the
same social relevant world it was either. I mean, these
people come off the show, and they may have tens
of thousands of followers, but when we used to name
somebody a week or two later, they would have a million,
two million, three million followers and they would become huge
influencers and make a ton of money. And that world
(19:32):
just doesn't exist anymore. And maybe we're just oversaturated with
influencers and the pendulum swings on all these things. And so, yeah,
it's not Love is Blind. It's really not The Bachelor.
It's just I think it's the world we live in now,
which is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, And so it's kind of and it is interesting
because if you're not going to get that part of it,
you know, like a whole nother career.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because there was a.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Time, Yeah, I was talking to Kelt who said, you know,
when she wanted to be a host on things, they said,
go on the Bachelor. If you want to break into
being like an entertainment Tonight host, try to get on
The Bachelor and go that route. Like it really was
like a way to be exposed. And now I feel like, no,
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I mean that you get paid nothing, which also I
think you don't get great people that are able to
leave their illustrious career you're not getting a lot of
partners in a law firm that can leave to go
beyond the Bachelor or love is Blind for seven weeks.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, it used to be, and you just that that
doesn't exist anymore either. That's a really difficult thing. You
know the Aaron Bergey who was a bank owner, Andrew
Firestone who had the vineyard, you know those every now
and then you get that nugget the quality guys.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, no, you really don't, though, I mean for that
exact reason. And then also I was like, and I
hate that it always.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Just has to be.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Someone from the Batch that was left over, right Like,
it's never like you know.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It didn't used to be. And that's the thing too. Yeah,
you know I get it because I was there, and
I get the built in audience. But it's a built
in audience when it was successful. If you didn't have
a good season. Uh, for example, you know you're coming
off this last season of the batchler which was the
lowest rated ever. Well, if you pull someone from that season,
no matter how popular, you're still coming off a very
(21:23):
low rated season. So we always knew, Okay, if you
came off a really bad season, maybe you got to
shake things up, and you got to find somebody different
because whatever you have this batch isn't working for whatever
reason that is. So you're right to a certain degree
that you got to go out and find some of
those nuggets. But it's just an easy, safe pick, right,
it's as a producer, as a casting it's really safe
(21:45):
and easy.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Did they did. I didn't watch this season. Did they
pick someone already to be the Bachelorette?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I believe that, yeah, because I think they're in production
right now, so they're already, they're already shooting.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, So yeah, I talked about it with what is
his name, Jason? Is it Jason Jason who's engaged to
Caitlin Bristow.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, Jason Tartick.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I talked about it with him, and I said, yeah,
it's just also the guys I mean are just not
my type.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, and he like, you know, I liked like
the clean.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Cut, like businessman dude and like you know, and they're
I think they're just trying to like appeal to a
younger audience, which they should.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, well, it's also who's going to sign up? You
know that. I think it's Yeah, it's both right, but
it is. It's a very interesting world. And again that
pendulum swings and it'll find its way.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Wait, what do you think about the senior stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Did you see that they're trying to cast a senior Bachelor,
which I remember they tried a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We were green lit to do that. We were actually
going to do it in the fall of what was
what was pandemic year number one, twenty twenty, So we
were supposed to do it in the fall of twenty twenty,
and the show was greenlit, already been picked up, and
we were going to go into production. I think after
The Bachelor or Paradise one of those, we're going to
squeeze it in there. And obviously the pandemic happened, and
(23:09):
they've talked about bringing it back, but I don't know
if that's really viable now considering the ratings of the
show and where the franchise is right now. I don't
know if you can launch another show unless it maybe
goes straight to streaming. Who knows. But they also need content.
But I thought I thought it was an interesting idea.
It's something we had talked about and thrown around for years,
(23:31):
and it's something that when I'm in public, I would
always get that from older people in my age group
and older like, hey, what about us divorces or widows
or whatever. So it's not a bad concept if it's
done right.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think what could work, And you can take my
idea and run with it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Let's do this together, co executive producers.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I do think people.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Keep it tight between the ages of like like forty
six and like fIF and forty, like between forty six
and like fifty eight, because it's not seniory like senior citizen.
It's not like goofy, and you know, people can look
really good at those ages still, and that's when a
(24:16):
lot of people are divorced and looking for them at
that next thing.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah right here, raising my hand. Yeah, that's exactly when
I got divorced. I was thirty nine, forty years old.
That's yeah, it's when a lot of us hit forty
and you kind.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Of have that yeah, like like like forty fifties. That
is what I think it should be. I don't think
it should be like sixty to seventy. I don't think
it should be that. And then you know, if if
the girl is like fifty two and the guy's forty five,
it doesn't really matter because no one's trying to have kids,
but you're also like young and hot, and it can't
and you can still be really competitive, like with the
(24:52):
other women or the other men, because they I mean
my friends that were dating.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You know it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's kind of fascinating the beginning, and then they realize like,
oh my god, he's dating all these other women because
you know, these women are just so happy that some
guy like owns a home, you know, so they're like thrilled.
And then he's like and he and he's never you know,
he had to work so hard to get laid in college, right,
got married at twenty seven, you know, and now he's
(25:20):
fifty and he looks pretty decent, and he opens up
an app and he could have a different chick there
every night, like waiting to blow him, like every night,
and it's like that guy doesn't even know what to do.
And then the girl is like, oh, I think I'm special,
but then she realizes, like, no, there, so I think
it would be a really fun interesting that's an interesting
(25:43):
social experiment.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It is a wild world. I mean when I became
single again, you know, all of a sudden dating and
this modern age of all the apps, and it wasn't
even as bad as it is now, you know, But
being able to swipe over somebody and just go and
go and it's it's it is something I think. I agree.
I think that age age range would be very good,
very desirable. I want to talk to you more too,
(26:05):
about just comedy in general. I'm a big fan of comedy,
fan of yours. And you know I mentioned that Chris
Rock special. Yeah, I thought it, Chris, I thought was brilliant.
I thought it was great. Again. I think that's what
comedy is for. I think it's for pushing boundaries. It's
for questioning everything. That's what great comedy used to do.
(26:27):
But you know, then there's the other side of the spectrum,
the nay Bergazi's of the world, which I also love
and appreciate, and they're super clean. How difficult is comedy
these days? Is it scary? Is that something you worry about?
Or do you just keep doing what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well? I think you've always do.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You do have to adjust with the times and throughout
the twenty plus years or thirty years, let me see
how yeah, like it's all amost thirty years since the
first time I've like actually done stand up that I've
been doing it. Yeah, there's Joe folks that I don't
do anymore. And there were jokes that all of a
sudden someone came up and was like, I loved your show,
(27:06):
but I wish you wouldn't have said this word because
of this, and I was like, done, never said again,
cut it out of my act. Thank you for pointing
it out. And I think the greatest thing is Sarah Silverman.
I will give her credit for this. She did an
apology to Paris Hilton because she made jokes when Paris
was in the audience when she hosted the MTV Awards,
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and it really hurt Paris, and Paris revealed that and
she said, comedy is not evergreen. And I think that
is looking brilliant because what someone says five years ago,
ten years ago, fifteen years ago, it's not evergreen. It's
appropriate for the time. And a good comedian is willing
to throw away, not throw away, but you retire jokes anyway.
(27:48):
That's why people have a new hour every year. You're
not supposed to do the same act for twenty years.
Some people do, but you're not really, so I mean,
you should be careful about what you say in your tweet, obviously,
but I also think there should you know, Yeah, I
mean watch your romantic comedy from like two thousand and eight,
and your jaw will be on the floor.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's so inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Every gen z would like turn it off and cry
like it's not okay, but it's not for today.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, we's so, you know, like Jennifer Aniston has come
out and been very public about Friends and how Yeah,
some stuff doesn't hold up. Yeah, from Friends and obviously
just the Friends cast doesn't hold up to today's standards
or New York. But you know, the the question is
do you have that grace the understanding to educate, change,
(28:37):
evolve and even on a smaller scale of like, hey,
you started with fart jokes as a comedia, you've elevated
your game, You've elevated.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I mean, I always say the biggest thing that makes
a stand up great is just being truly authentic to yourself,
telling the truth about.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Your life, your point of view.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And I always tell young people that, like, you know,
just if you're looking around and you see every young
girl female comedian talking about sex and this and that
and whatever, that's fine if your life. And what I
liked about Chris Rock's special is this one part where
he talks about now he's a divorced guy in his
fifties and why it's easier to date the sugar baby
(29:16):
who's twenty five, who's so impressed by an eight hundred
dollars pair of shoes versus the forty five year old
girlfriend who's like, can you fix clean out my gutter?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, clean out my gutters.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I thought that was so real because we all think,
like as a woman, were like, oh my god, like
I'm hot, I've established myself, i have a career, i
have a home. But also that woman is not going
to be as impressed with your brand new car, right,
Like it's just it is what it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is, exact the opposite.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, And so it's like I just thought that is
that is such an honest perspective of a divorced guy
who's got some money who's dating I.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And so I'm like, he told his truth.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We were talking about, you know, Chris Rock dealing with
the Will Smith things so brilliantly, and I thought it
to wait to sit on that for a year and
a half, to you know, to let it marinate and
cook and then to come out the way he did
I thought was brilliant. Will Smith is back. He's back
on set. They've seen him shooting Bad Boys four with
(30:32):
Martin Lawrence there in Atlanta. I I'll be honest, I
didn't know there was a Bad Boys three. Apparently not
only was there a Bad Boys three, it was huge.
It made like over four hundred million dollars worldwide, was
a massive hit, right before COVID hit. But there's gonna
be a Bad Boys four. And Will Smith he kind of,
you know, he kind of came back with the last show,
(30:53):
what Emancipation, but that was already in the can. It
was a small budget. This is going to be probably
his first kind of big budget, big franchise to come
back with. What do you think can he come back?
Will we accept him back the old Will Smith in
this old role.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I don't think we'll ever accept will never accept them
as the couple. Remember when they would dress alike and everybody,
And I remember again with the waynes I said after
Tom and Nicole broke up, this is a long time ago.
Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Yeah, I remember, I said,
if Jada and Will ever break up people are to
lose their minds because it was one of those that
(31:30):
they were the original couple goals.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They had the blended family.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
They did a WB series about a blended their blended family.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They the kids were so cute.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The boy looked like her, the girl looked like him,
like you know, everything they dressed alike, that she was
petite and he was tall, and they had their funny
moments on Oprah and everything. Now we know the truth
about their deep relationship and how weird it is, and
nobody's goal is to have an open marriage twenty years in.
I mean, if this is like a big budget movie
that people will go see, yes, but it won't be
(32:02):
I just don't think anyone in this age is like
a true fan for anybody really anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like they're just like, hey, if it's a cool movie
and it's.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You're sitting at home, I don't know if people will
be like going to the theater to go see it.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But like, he's a good he's a good actor, he's
a good looking guy.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
He'll never be as funny to me, like, because I'll
always think of that moment.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's hard to get it out of your head. It's
hard not to see that.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I mean I predicted that he would just do like
a more serious net. I think you should have done
a more serious like Netflix type of streaming series.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
To get our feet wet, where we not him being
like haha and like laughing like it would have been.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
There was kind of emancipation right when he came back
with Apple, but it just was too soon and most
people never even knew it existed.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
These people that think they're they're done forever. Nobody's done forever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Louis c K.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
What is kind of good about the world today? Yes,
will you get that big ensement again? Maybe you won't.
Will you get to be the host of the Today
Show anymore? Maybe you won't. But if you can find
other mediums to be, you know, show your talent in
like a Louis c K. Whatever, people are like, I
don't care, like I still think you're and that's their prerogative. Like,
(33:18):
and that's the comedy club. If the comedy owner wants
to have Luis c K come over someone that sells
half the amount of tickets, they want him because they
know he's going to sell out and then he's going
to sell that many more drinks. They have the right
to have him, and you have the right to never
go to see him or never go to that club again,
and like that's life.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's like Netflix that did that huge Dave Chappelle's show
and everybody, you know, they were up in arms over there.
It's like, but it returned huge dividends. Millions and millions
and millions of people watched. It was a massive success.
So where what do you do with that?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I just think, you know, it's just it's it's great
that everyone has a voice, you know, because everyone can
make a comment and everyone can put a post, and
I think that's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That's what I love about having a podcast, having this
platform to be able to talk and having normal conversation
with you or with anybody. Is It's that's kind of
the beauty of this. Out in your neck of the woods.
Coachella is going on. Yeah, you know, Coachella. It's this
thing that started out as a music festival years ago.
Then it was a place to try molly, Then it
became a place to do your fashion influencing. Now it's
(34:31):
like the place where publicists send their clients to be photographed.
You know, if you're seeing at Coachella, that's like the
thing now, So I want to run these by you.
Sean Mendez and Camilla Cabello. Are they back together? They
were together during Quarantine broke up scene of course at Coachella,
you know, keeping a low profile at Coachella, making out
(34:54):
during one of the sets and you know, snuggling and
a lot of PDA. Are they back together you think?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I mean I always thought the relationship was kind of
fake and like a beard or either.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
One of them or both or either one.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
But now I kind of feel like, oh, maybe that
was real and good for them, you know, I think
there I think, you know, when you're that too high
profile people, it's it's hard to find, you know, find somebody,
and sometimes you go back and recycle an old boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So I hope they're together. That's good.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
If it's real, then I think it is real. If
it's if they come back this many years now, I
think it was always real.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Their mom on the subject right now. This one I'm
not so sure about. Leonardo DiCaprio was seen with Bradley
Cooper's X Arena shake. They were hanging at the Neon Carnival,
as one does there at Coachella, but there were a
lot of other celebs around Stella, Maxwell, Toby Maguire, so
you know, I don't know. I think it's just DiCaprio
(35:51):
being DiCaprio.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I went to that Neon Okay Carnival, Like I
never really did the Coachella thing because it was kind
of like after my time of like doing anything like that.
And I did go to the Near Carnival a couple
of years ago only because it was like a VIP
experience and somebody gave me the tickets and I did
think it was fun. And you do see a lot
of stars, so yeah, who knows if they really did.
But like Leonardo DiCaprio, I love that he has like
(36:16):
become the Jack Nicholson of our time and everyone realizes,
like why do you only date people that are like
And then he tries to date Jijia Hadid like she's
like an older single mother to him, right, you know,
but like, hey, but I mean, he is.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
The Jack Nicholson, And I don't know if that's appropriate.
By the way, if you saw that picture of Jack
Nicholson the other day on his balcony, that's be careful, Leo.
The future is not kind. But I you know, we
will see about Leo, but I think he is a
fascinating character, and you're right, he's kind of just he
has become a caricature of this generation.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Right, which is kind of a bummer really, But anyway,
for who cares, he's doing fun.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This is a story I know you love vander pump Rules. Yes,
the you know Tom Sandoval scandalval the big cheating incidant.
So Arianna, the woman that was cheated on in this
scandal was at Coachella. Shocker. She was being snapped and
taking pictures alongside some mystery man. First of all, if
(37:29):
there's a woman who ever deserves just a good public
outing and go make out with everybody and be seen,
good on you, Arianna, go do it. But also a
great publicist is like get to Coachella, just like let's
get you out there, smart all the way around.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Well you know those all those girls and guys, they
would go every year too.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
But I'm really glad that she went.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And I believe the guy is like a personal trainer
and he's kind of like a friend within all with
all of them. And good for her for you know,
getting some you know, fresh stick and having some fun
on a sunny weekend in Coachella, and I think it's
great that talk about lemonade, you know, making lemons out
of lemonade. She's doing Dancing with the Stars, she got
(38:12):
a collab with Bloomingdale's. She's a really pretty girl anyway,
And so hopefully this will because I kind of felt
like a lot of these people that do these shows,
I'm like, they really have to get some other businesses going.
And she and Katie we're going to do this sandwich shop,
and like the sandwich shop was like never happening. I
(38:35):
don't know if it was like a storyline whatever they say.
They have a actual like a rest, you know, a storefront,
but it hasn't started. This girl doesn't want to make
Sandwichesatie putting up. No, go do dancing with the Stars
and get something else going that interest you that does
not require you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
To like, you know, slice some meat.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah yeah, I mean not referencing the dick from other
fresh meat exactly. And by the way, if you're not
into the Coachella stuff, don't worry. The redneck version Stage
Coach will have plenty of headlines I'm sure coming up
in a couple of weeks as well.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, listen, I have to tell you I we we
have a we built a house out there.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
My sister lives out there.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Is out in Palm Springs.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yes, I have Palm Desert Lakingta.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I will be there this second weekend of Stage of
uh Coachella and Stage Coach. I have absolutely no tickets
and no invitations.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I am putting it out there are begging.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You're sitting here begging for tickets.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Huge not necessarily tickets.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'd rather go to like the influencer type of parties
where it's the afternoon and it's not crowded, but there's
still some music playing and I get like some like
free salad.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And like, you know, a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Heather McDonald straight up asking for VIP access from all let.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Reach out to me and I would like to just
hit a couple easy.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Events, slide into your DMS, just make it so exactly exactly.
I went to Stage Coach one year because Jake Owens
was playing. We went out and played a little golf
and Garth Brooks was performing Who I Love, And so
I did Stage Coach. Very windy, very hot, very dusty.
A lot of people.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Now did you go like in the day or did
you just go at night? Like, I don't understand how
long you're supposed to be there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I'm not gonna lie I went at night. I didn't.
I didn't do the whole day. There were some specific
people I wanted to see, Jake and Garth, you know,
among them, and so I kind of went for the evenings. Yeah,
And that was honestly enough for me. I don't love
I don't love crowds. I don't love that element. That
just doesn't do it for me. I would much rather
(40:42):
be sitting like kind of in an arena or some
maybe a smaller like I love going to Hollywood Bowl
sitting in you know that venue totally.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And you have your own little box with your wine
and your food. I like.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And yes, yeah, yeah, I'm bougie, Heather, I'm very boogie.
I know this about myself though.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's all it's all good, and I do think it's
interesting because I'm like, I understand why you have to
buy like the three day pass whatever, but I'm because
that's the smarter way to go marketing wise. But truly,
whether it's like Bravo con or this, I'm good with
one day.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I never want to go back the next. It's a
lot to go back.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
And Coachelle is a lot, but hey, if you're an influencer,
it's worth the pain, do it. Speaking of pain, before
I let you go, because Palm Springs, you mentioned Palm Springs,
that's where Coachella is. You had a little drama in
Palm Springs a couple of weeks ago, and this like
much talked about all these headlines. What in the world
(41:40):
happened in Palm Springs.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
We've been friends for like five years. She's come to
my birthday. We text each other, we're all hanging out together,
and we went to the B and P tennis the together,
and then later that night we're just talking about something
and then all of a sudden, she like switches to
change the subject and basically tells me that she doesn't
like me. Nobody in that world likes me, nobody wants
(42:06):
to do the show with me. Like it was every horrible,
like triggering, Like literally, I was a Catholic schoolgirl that
was invited to a public school girl slumber party, and
I thought they all liked me, but they only invited
me to tell me that they hate me. It was that,
(42:27):
and I just was shocked and I know how Jeff
works his show, and his show is his radio show is.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A reality show.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
So anything that happens in his world, whether it's his
personal life with his family and his child, romance, or
any of the people that are regulars on the show,
He's going to share it. And I already knew he
knew about it, So I was like, I just I
got to control this narrative. So I have a Patreon,
and I feel like my people that have supported me
(42:56):
on Patreon, I keep the personal stuff for Patrio. I
don't really do that too much personal stuff on my
regular Tuesday Thursday show, so I put it on there.
And also I gave her plenty of time to reach
out and apologize. And also I knew his show goes
out Monday at nine. Mine goes out Tuesday morning. And
I've been in the position of having to defend myself
(43:21):
or rewrite you, or try to correct the narrative. And
I'm like, I'm just going to tell you how I felt.
And the only way I felt was my feelings were
really hurt. Well then, because then people thought she was
an appul for doing it, which she was.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
She didn't like that people knew that she was an asshole.
Well that's not my fault.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Life is too short and equally too long to be
surrounded by people who don't love and adore you and
support you. And yeah, secondly, I find you fabulous and
I'm glad you're here, and I true know, seriously, I
truly appreciate you being here. I feel like you and
I could just talk for days and days. I like
you the way you are unabashedly able to just talk
(44:01):
about stuff. I think it's so important and it's very
refreshing and I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, thank you, and I'll just give my plugs in
and make it life easy. So my show is Juicy Scoop.
It's been around, it'll be eight years in July. It's
every Tuesday and Thursday. And if you want to join,
what I talk about is patron. You just go to
heatherbrick Dahala dot net and you click on patroon, but
also at Heatherbygdald dot net. Are my live shows coming up?
I have a live Juicy Scoop in Vegas in May,
(44:27):
but I also have like a combo where it's Juicy
Scoop and stand up. I have all my regulars on
it's always comedy, it's always pop culture.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's always fresh and new.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
And I have a bunch of summer shows coming up
from the East Coast to San Francisco to Irvine.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay, so in the country you hit in the Midwest,
do you come in.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Across not really, not necessarily a country. I'm not doing
that many. I'm just doing Yeah, I'm just doing East
Coast in August and San Francisco and in September, like
I said, and then San Diego Humphreys by the Bay,
which is a huge venue. It's my biggest show I'll
be doing, and that's in San Diego and it's like
an outdoor kind of a thing, which I'm excited about.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So that's all at Heather dgald Nett.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
It's great comedy and fun and come see the shows
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And listen to the podcast Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
and for everything else you can go to the website.
And again, thanks for being here. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Thank you, take care all right, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
My thanks to Heather McDonald for joining me. Comedian, actor,
best selling author, and she has the podcast as well.
It's just refreshing to talk about, just get her take
on everything, and it's one of the things again, I
love about this podcast, just bringing different people on from
different walks of life and getting their take and their perspective.
And that's what it's all about, is just hearing people
(45:48):
and listening and hearing from you. If you have any comments,
you can leave them below. Thank you for listening, and
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This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris Harrison,
coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.
A very special show today because we have a special guest.
She's a comedian, New York Times bestselling author, host of
the podcast Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald. I may have
(00:22):
just given it away, but Heather McDonald is joining me
on the show. We're going to talk to her and
talk about her life, but we're also going to talk
about current events, talk about what's going on in the world,
get her take on the headlines of the day. And
Heather joins us now from her home in Los Angeles,
where we used to be neighbors. Are close to neighbors,
but I am in the home office in Austin, Texas.
(00:44):
So this is how we're going to meet and talk
via zoom today.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Cool. Great, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You. I'm looking at your life, comedian and I went
through everything you're doing. Actress and New York Times best
selling author and podcast host, all these things. Yet I
look at your life and is it fair to say
and I don't mean this in a bad way. It's
unbelievably boring and normal. Married for twenty years, you have kids,
(01:14):
you're a mom, You're set up in the valley. There
where's the darkness that Hollywood's supposed to bring.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, I do feel extremely lucky, and a lot
of my listeners of Juicy Scoop as moms are sweet
enough to be like envious of it because it is
the best of all of it, you know. It's like
I used to someone said, by my next book should
be like having it most because you can't really have
it all that you couldn't have a lot like you know.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, you're going to miss out on stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
If you're a working parent, you're going to miss out
on being there for every moment for your kid.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
It just it just is the facts.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And there's gonna be certain times in your life as
you know that it's inevitable that you're going to miss
these things, you know. So it's like, as someone who
worked full time on Chelsea Lately when I wrote and
produced that show for seven and a half years, I
was really lucky to have that job as pretty much
home every night, but I had a two hour commute
one hour each way, and like, so I did miss
(02:16):
you know, some of the childhood stuff. But since the
show's been off for almost I think eight years now,
my sons are twenty and seventeen, and I feel like
having the flexibility that I've had in the last seven
years just doing just stand up on the weekends occasionally,
not every weekend, and doing the podcast has I feel
(02:38):
like I was there more for what I believe, the
more important years, like the teenage years and stuff. But
I still feel bad about the poetry readings and stuff
I miss. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It is very healthy though, as a parent and as
someone who was divorced for half of my kids kind
of childhood and going through it as a single parent,
it's important to realize you can't have it all and
that's okay. It's okay. You know, I grew up. I'm
I don't know how old you are. I'm fifty one.
So you know my parents in the seventies worthy I
(03:09):
was a latch key kid me till you know, till
you just come home, open the door. You'd be alone
till dinner sometimes, and your parents warn't it every soccer practice,
your parents warned every poetry reading and then we went
to the helicopter mode. So I think we're okay, settling
somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know what's really funny about that is so my dad.
So I'm fifty two and my dad had me at
like forty six. I was the youngest of five. I was,
you know, like the fifth mistake or whatever they joked about.
But it was fine, and so, you know, he he
grew up. He was a World War Two vette from
seventeen to twenty. And at one time my mom said
(03:50):
to him, what do you mean you're not going to
go to the boys. My older brothers played sports. You know,
you have to go to their games and everything. Didn't
your father always go to yours? And not until my
dad till my mom said that to my dad did
my dad realize.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And he was like an incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Athlete, got a scholarship to hosta playing football, basketball, he
was like four letters. Not till that moment did he
realize that his dad never went to one of his games.
And his dad was a fireman, like a fire chief,
and he was Irish, but he was born in America,
and it like he never realized that his parents never
went because like that generation they didn't go well.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't know when that changed though. Of Yeah, when
I played sports kind of like you did, it wasn't
for my parents. The sports was for me.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, totally. And I mean the same thing I remember,
like I was doing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I was a cheerleader at Cresby the Boys' School and
I went to Louisville and you know, I did it
for one year and so I had my parents go
to one game, but they're kind of like why, Like
you're just cheering with these twelve other girls. And then
I didn't make it for varsity and I was so upset.
Mom's like, you weren't that good at it. It's not
(05:03):
what you should be doing. She goes, you should be
doing the plays. And that was like the first time
I realized that like being fired or having someone break
up with you, or you know, something like that is
always meant to be. You just don't realize it in
the moment, but it's always meant to be. Had I
made the cheerleading, like I, you know, I wouldn't have
had the great experience junior and senior year of like
(05:25):
really doing the theatrical art stuff is which what I
should be doing, not cheering.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I always say, and having been through it, I
went through the last couple of years. You know, God
does grant us these blessings in our life. It doesn't
always come in this cute little gift wrap box under
the tree and go exactly how you saw in your dreams,
but right, nevertheless, it gives you those opportunities to do
what you should be doing, need to be doing. But
(05:50):
I felt so guilty when I was traveling around the
world for the show. You know, I would be, you know,
on a beach somewhere in Bora, Bora, whatever, and my
kids are playing in a big game, or my daughter
was in theater and she had a big play, and
you're sitting there and maybe you're watching it on FaceTime
at four in the morning. But you just feel so
detached and you feel so guilty. And we got to
(06:12):
give ourselves some grace on that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean, And there's just there are those moments
as a working parent who also travels, and I just remember,
like doing stand up, I was always getting booked for
Mother's Day weekend because every club would be like, oh,
let's get Heather.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
She's a mom. People will take their moms, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But that would That means like I would be at
some hotel on Mother's Day and seeing all these people
celebrating their mother at the brunch place or whatever, and
I was just like, oh my god, like it made
me so sad that I didn't like have that. But
then I was also like, but this is a big
weekend for me as a mother comedian, like I'm not
gonna and so you know, it is those times where
(06:54):
you're like, I just you have to make it when
you can make it, you know, And and you're gonna
miss You're gonna some stuff, and that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Just know that you're gonna miss some stuff. I guess
kids don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The kids they will never care. No, the kids are fine.
I mean, it's nice when they see you up there,
but they don't need you at every practice. They don't
need you at every single performance. And by the way,
it's great when they can call you and tell you
how they did and you can just listen right now.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And sometimes I'm like do you want me there and
they're like no, and I'm like all right, fine. Then
like if I'm gonna stress you out or you're like
I'm not that great in it, or whatever, and like
they're just like honest with me, you know. And what
I love is as the kids get older, I just
have such a good time with my sons, just like laughing,
like I'll just you know, and do it. Like I'll
just go on the golf cart with my son and
(07:39):
I don't even play until he'll play two balls. And
his name's Drake, and he'll play Drake one and Drake two,
and then I'll just whichever one is leading, that's the
one I'll do for the putting. And that's that and
we just like talk the whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You had this kind of famous incident where you passed
out on stage just back in twenty twenty two, and
this really triggered me so much. First of all, you
fractured your skull, got a concussion. Yes that that that
can last? Are you good now? Do you still have
the effects of that?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I mean yes, So when when people wi when I
say I cracked my skull, there was no bleeding, but
yes I had a cracked skull bleeding. Yes, yes, I
went so fast down. I never had faded before in
my life, certainly never on stage. But I've never fainted ever.
And and so I was like out of a movie
where I woke up and I'm like seeing you know,
(08:34):
people their faces ahead of me like a movie camera,
you know, like, oh my god. And I literally was like,
this can't be happening. This has to be a dream.
And so I went to the hospital and everything, and
and they get say there might be some effects up
to two years. The only time I feel it is
sometimes once in a while if I'm like doing pilates
(08:55):
and I come up too fast or whatever, I'll be like,
just give me a second.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So there's a little little bit of that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But that's like the it just not not in and
every day walking around, nothing like that. And it's never
happened since. And they have no idea why it happened,
and I don't know either, and.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I think I went
back and watched it. You were literally talking about how
you just got vaccinated and you're I'm fine, there are
no effects. It almost seemed like you meant to do
it in the moment, like it was physical comedy. I'm
sure something today.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
They definitely thought it was.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And I mean, and what kills me is that, like
it's not that funny because the way when I'm on
stage for an hour and fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You build up to the closer.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The beginning part is throw away jokes and whatever you
don't come out with like the great. So I was
coming out because it was still COVIDY time, and I
was just like, I had some COVID jokes, but my
jokes were very much on both sides. I really did
start to see like like stars and I.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Was like WHOA, Like, Okay, I don't know how. I'm thinking,
how am I going to get through an hour and
a half of this? This has got to pass.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So in wanting it to pass, I just took like
a couple of steps as I was talking, thinking that
would like I don't know, and then and then I
just went down.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So when I saw this, it was so triggering because
what I have never passed out. I've never fainted in
my life. My greatest fear is fainting and passing out
on live TV on the set. And it's only almost
happened one time. It was been flantic season of the Bachelor,
and I was kind of sick. I had the flu,
(10:37):
as it turned out later, but so I was a
little bit feverish, I was dehydrated, and I was in
the middle of I don't know if you remember that season.
There's this girl, Courtney Robertson, who was the final choice,
and it was very controversial, and this was the big
first interview, and when we got into it, it got really.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Diff She she had like long, dark, hairy.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Beautiful girl, and it got really serious really quick, and
we dove into this and it was emotional, and all
of a sudden, I'm like, I can't I can't like
see you know, as you said, things start narrowing and
I'm like, I'm going to pass out. And you have
this inner monologue, which I'm sure you did. You start
thinking I'm gonna pass out. I'm going to pass out.
It got to the point where I was thinking, because
(11:17):
you know our set, we have nine thousand candles everywhere,
and I'm thinking, Okay, if you pass out, fall to
the left, because if you fall to the right, you're
gonna get a face full of hot wax and candles.
And I was kind of whispering into my microphone while
she was talking. The producer can kind of hear me.
I was whispering, Hey, we have to take a commercial break.
(11:38):
I'm gonna faint. I'm about to faint, please go to
Break and they're like, we gotta wait, we gotta wait,
this is amazing. I said, no, you don't understand. This,
can't wait. I am going down, And so somehow we
got to break. I was in a cold flop sweat.
I went backstage and made it to a couch and
just essentially all but passed out. And it took about
(12:00):
an hour before I could get off the couch and
come back and finish the show. But that's always been
my fear. And when I saw you, I'm like, oh
my gosh, it happens.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean, it happens.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And I think that's why they, you know, with everything
going on, they they've.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Gotten a lot of people because.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
We do a lot more things on TV, you know,
or YouTube or whatever. Everything's filmed. There's cameras everywhere, so
it's like, I think it's just you know, a more
something you see. But what's interesting is that I someone
reminded me that on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I have said I have a fan I have a
fainting fantasy.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh okay, I thought it was and I literally said,
like three years ago, I have a fainting fantasy where
I faint and then I look up and everybody's around
me and they're like, hey, there, what happened. But I
never thought, well, if you faint and you hit your head,
it's gonna be painful.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I just I always.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Imagine it like fainting in a movie, like on a
soft couch, and then like what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Like strong fireman's arms.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, but I will tell you, yeah, it's not a
fun thing and I should not have manifested that at all.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's not sexy doing it face planning on stage, speaking
of you know, our biggest fear having these catastrophes and
(13:29):
live moments. Love is Blind was supposed to go live
with their reunion show with Nick and Vanessa hosting, and
something happened at Netflix. Somebody kicked a chord out, somebody
forgot to reboot, and Netflix could not get the live
feed up, and they kept promising, it's going to be
a minute, it's going to be fifteen minutes, it's going
(13:51):
to be another hour. It never got up. It's finally
up today. They just stopped and said we're going to
record it and put it up. But that was a
pretty epic moment of not being able to do live television.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I didn't even really realize that it was live till
you just said it. I just thought it was scheduled
and it wasn't going up. But I had watched Love
is Blind in the past, and I had not watched it.
I had, you know, it downloaded on to watch on
a plane, but instead I read Paris Hilton's book because
I'm a reader. And so then when my my friend
(14:26):
who's on the show today for tomorrow, Sarah Klona, She's like, oh,
I can't get the no one can get the Love
is Blind reunion. And it was like six forty five,
and I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to
like sped through the thirteen episodes so that when it's
up I can talk about it tomorrow. So I still
haven't seen it because it never was up as of
(14:47):
ten pm last night when I went to bed. But
between six forty five and ten I did get through
the whole season.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They caught a lot of flak online, and being a comedian,
I'm going to run these by you.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I thought the oh wait, let me just wait, let
me ask, do you think this might have been on purpose? No,
because people like me ended up watching it. So this
watched the whole season yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I am of the opinion some people are saying it's
a big deal and it's going to hurt Netflix, It'll
hurt Love is Blind. I am not in that camp.
I do not think it hurts them. I think Netflix
is a fifty thousand pound gorilla. There's still the gold
standard in streaming. I don't think it's going to hurt
them in the long run. But this was a move
to continue off the Chris Rock special, which was live
(15:28):
that we can that we can do live TV. We're
not just a streamer anymore. We can do live events.
Amazon has Thursday Night Football they're doing live now. So
this kind of move to doing live events is a
big deal for these streamers to get that live content.
And so this was a pretty big gaff. I don't
think it's the kind of press that hurts you that bad.
Because everybody's talking about it. I wouldn't be talking about
(15:49):
Love is Blind today.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know, it is crazy that we were able to
live stream the landing on the Moon but not the reunion.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That was the joke. So I was going to run
these bys.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like I'm like, oh really, because I'm like, you know,
and I still kind of listen.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I like the TikTok so I am.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I remember Keena Everywayne said when I wrote White Chicks
with Keenan and the guys, and I remember he was
the first one that put the doubt in my mind
about the landing on the moon.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Wasn't the Moon Landing live in nineteen sixty nine? Although
you know, some people believe it was on a set
somewhere in Hollywood, which is we'll see. So Trina Water said,
wasn't the Moon Landing live? And then there was another
good joke, Oh Hunter why? Harris said, Hey, Netflix, have
you thought about putting it in a bag of rice?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's pretty good. Yeah, I like it, But again, I
don't think you know everybody jumped on lines said oh
this is really a big deal. It's not a big
deal because if you love the show, you're just gonna
you're gonna find it. It's that's what streaming is all about.
It would have been nice as a television host, and
I'm sure you may feel the same way. I just
(17:01):
want to see these things go off with that hitch.
I want to see them work because I think it's
important to just keep progressing and have more live TVs.
And have more live events.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I didn't even really realize. I didn't really associate it
with being live. I just thought, you know, they always
do they do that where you can binge it, but
then you've got to wait a couple weeks or whatever.
So I thought that was like the anticipation, like are
these couples still together? We saw these three got married,
this one didn't. I didn't even think about the fact
of what you're saying, of why it is important as
(17:34):
like a television aspect of having live streaming stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Do you watch that show?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I have a little bit just because I watch a
little bit of everything that just kind of comes into
this world just so I can see who's hosting, who's
producing it. Some of my friends produce on all these shows.
I want to see what they're up to, see what
the spin is on, you know, kind of our original
idea of Bachelor, Bachelerette and where it's where it is now.
But the live of it all, it's I was thinking back.
(18:01):
We did so many live events on The Bachelor, and
I hosted Miss America for many years. I did the
Spelling Bee at ESPN, all those events. It's just commonplace.
You don't even think about it not going live and
the fact that it won't work. I mean that part
you got to have down. I mean the satellites up.
You can see the satellites up if New York can
(18:23):
see you, and vice versa. I don't know where this
mishap happened. It's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I watched The Love Is Blind and I've watched it
in the past, and I do think it's interesting that
I said, anybody that goes on this show really should
be going on one hundred percent to really find a spouse,
because these people aren't really popping after like the way
in the past where the Bachelor and Bachelors, the people
(18:52):
are not popping like they did five years ago either.
But you know where you'd have all these opportunities and stuff.
It's just they really don't. It's like, if you're doing
it to try to get a whole new career, this
is not.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The show to do.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I agree, there's too.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Many people and if they don't pop.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, and I don't think this is not a knock
on the Bachelor Bacherette, but that world is not the
same social relevant world it was either. I mean, these
people come off the show, and they may have tens
of thousands of followers, but when we used to name
somebody a week or two later, they would have a million,
two million, three million followers and they would become huge
influencers and make a ton of money. And that world
(19:32):
just doesn't exist anymore. And maybe we're just oversaturated with
influencers and the pendulum swings on all these things. And so, yeah,
it's not Love is Blind. It's really not The Bachelor.
It's just I think it's the world we live in now,
which is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, And so it's kind of and it is interesting
because if you're not going to get that part of it,
you know, like a whole nother career.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because there was a.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Time, Yeah, I was talking to Kelt who said, you know,
when she wanted to be a host on things, they said,
go on the Bachelor. If you want to break into
being like an entertainment Tonight host, try to get on
The Bachelor and go that route. Like it really was
like a way to be exposed. And now I feel like, no,
(20:15):
I mean that you get paid nothing, which also I
think you don't get great people that are able to
leave their illustrious career you're not getting a lot of
partners in a law firm that can leave to go
beyond the Bachelor or love is Blind for seven weeks.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, it used to be, and you just that that
doesn't exist anymore either. That's a really difficult thing. You
know the Aaron Bergey who was a bank owner, Andrew
Firestone who had the vineyard, you know those every now
and then you get that nugget the quality guys.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, no, you really don't, though, I mean for that
exact reason. And then also I was like, and I
hate that it always.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Just has to be.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Someone from the Batch that was left over, right Like,
it's never like you know.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It didn't used to be. And that's the thing too. Yeah,
you know I get it because I was there, and
I get the built in audience. But it's a built
in audience when it was successful. If you didn't have
a good season. Uh, for example, you know you're coming
off this last season of the batchler which was the
lowest rated ever. Well, if you pull someone from that season,
no matter how popular, you're still coming off a very
(21:23):
low rated season. So we always knew, Okay, if you
came off a really bad season, maybe you got to
shake things up, and you got to find somebody different
because whatever you have this batch isn't working for whatever
reason that is. So you're right to a certain degree
that you got to go out and find some of
those nuggets. But it's just an easy, safe pick, right,
it's as a producer, as a casting it's really safe
(21:45):
and easy.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Did they did. I didn't watch this season. Did they
pick someone already to be the Bachelorette?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I believe that, yeah, because I think they're in production
right now, so they're already, they're already shooting.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, So yeah, I talked about it with what is
his name, Jason? Is it Jason Jason who's engaged to
Caitlin Bristow.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, Jason Tartick.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I talked about it with him, and I said, yeah,
it's just also the guys I mean are just not
my type.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, and he like, you know, I liked like
the clean.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Cut, like businessman dude and like you know, and they're
I think they're just trying to like appeal to a
younger audience, which they should.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, well, it's also who's going to sign up? You
know that. I think it's Yeah, it's both right, but
it is. It's a very interesting world. And again that
pendulum swings and it'll find its way.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Wait, what do you think about the senior stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Did you see that they're trying to cast a senior Bachelor,
which I remember they tried a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We were green lit to do that. We were actually
going to do it in the fall of what was
what was pandemic year number one, twenty twenty, So we
were supposed to do it in the fall of twenty twenty,
and the show was greenlit, already been picked up, and
we were going to go into production. I think after
The Bachelor or Paradise one of those, we're going to
squeeze it in there. And obviously the pandemic happened, and
(23:09):
they've talked about bringing it back, but I don't know
if that's really viable now considering the ratings of the
show and where the franchise is right now. I don't
know if you can launch another show unless it maybe
goes straight to streaming. Who knows. But they also need content.
But I thought I thought it was an interesting idea.
It's something we had talked about and thrown around for years,
(23:31):
and it's something that when I'm in public, I would
always get that from older people in my age group
and older like, hey, what about us divorces or widows
or whatever. So it's not a bad concept if it's
done right.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think what could work, And you can take my
idea and run with it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Let's do this together, co executive producers.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I do think people.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Keep it tight between the ages of like like forty
six and like fIF and forty, like between forty six
and like fifty eight, because it's not seniory like senior citizen.
It's not like goofy, and you know, people can look
really good at those ages still, and that's when a
(24:16):
lot of people are divorced and looking for them at
that next thing.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah right here, raising my hand. Yeah, that's exactly when
I got divorced. I was thirty nine, forty years old.
That's yeah, it's when a lot of us hit forty
and you kind.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Of have that yeah, like like like forty fifties. That
is what I think it should be. I don't think
it should be like sixty to seventy. I don't think
it should be that. And then you know, if if
the girl is like fifty two and the guy's forty five,
it doesn't really matter because no one's trying to have kids,
but you're also like young and hot, and it can't
and you can still be really competitive, like with the
(24:52):
other women or the other men, because they I mean
my friends that were dating.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You know it.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's kind of fascinating the beginning, and then they realize like,
oh my god, he's dating all these other women because
you know, these women are just so happy that some
guy like owns a home, you know, so they're like thrilled.
And then he's like and he and he's never you know,
he had to work so hard to get laid in college, right,
got married at twenty seven, you know, and now he's
(25:20):
fifty and he looks pretty decent, and he opens up
an app and he could have a different chick there
every night, like waiting to blow him, like every night,
and it's like that guy doesn't even know what to do.
And then the girl is like, oh, I think I'm special,
but then she realizes, like, no, there, so I think
it would be a really fun interesting that's an interesting
(25:43):
social experiment.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It is a wild world. I mean when I became
single again, you know, all of a sudden dating and
this modern age of all the apps, and it wasn't
even as bad as it is now, you know, But
being able to swipe over somebody and just go and
go and it's it's it is something I think. I agree.
I think that age age range would be very good,
very desirable. I want to talk to you more too,
(26:05):
about just comedy in general. I'm a big fan of comedy,
fan of yours. And you know I mentioned that Chris
Rock special. Yeah, I thought it, Chris, I thought was brilliant.
I thought it was great. Again. I think that's what
comedy is for. I think it's for pushing boundaries. It's
for questioning everything. That's what great comedy used to do.
(26:27):
But you know, then there's the other side of the spectrum,
the nay Bergazi's of the world, which I also love
and appreciate, and they're super clean. How difficult is comedy
these days? Is it scary? Is that something you worry about?
Or do you just keep doing what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well? I think you've always do.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You do have to adjust with the times and throughout
the twenty plus years or thirty years, let me see
how yeah, like it's all amost thirty years since the
first time I've like actually done stand up that I've
been doing it. Yeah, there's Joe folks that I don't
do anymore. And there were jokes that all of a
sudden someone came up and was like, I loved your show,
(27:06):
but I wish you wouldn't have said this word because
of this, and I was like, done, never said again,
cut it out of my act. Thank you for pointing
it out. And I think the greatest thing is Sarah Silverman.
I will give her credit for this. She did an
apology to Paris Hilton because she made jokes when Paris
was in the audience when she hosted the MTV Awards,
(27:28):
and it really hurt Paris, and Paris revealed that and
she said, comedy is not evergreen. And I think that
is looking brilliant because what someone says five years ago,
ten years ago, fifteen years ago, it's not evergreen. It's
appropriate for the time. And a good comedian is willing
to throw away, not throw away, but you retire jokes anyway.
(27:48):
That's why people have a new hour every year. You're
not supposed to do the same act for twenty years.
Some people do, but you're not really, so I mean,
you should be careful about what you say in your tweet, obviously,
but I also think there should you know, Yeah, I
mean watch your romantic comedy from like two thousand and eight,
and your jaw will be on the floor.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's so inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Every gen z would like turn it off and cry
like it's not okay, but it's not for today.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, we's so, you know, like Jennifer Aniston has come
out and been very public about Friends and how Yeah,
some stuff doesn't hold up. Yeah, from Friends and obviously
just the Friends cast doesn't hold up to today's standards
or New York. But you know, the the question is
do you have that grace the understanding to educate, change,
(28:37):
evolve and even on a smaller scale of like, hey,
you started with fart jokes as a comedia, you've elevated
your game, You've elevated.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I mean, I always say the biggest thing that makes
a stand up great is just being truly authentic to yourself,
telling the truth about.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Your life, your point of view.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
And I always tell young people that, like, you know,
just if you're looking around and you see every young
girl female comedian talking about sex and this and that
and whatever, that's fine if your life. And what I
liked about Chris Rock's special is this one part where
he talks about now he's a divorced guy in his
fifties and why it's easier to date the sugar baby
(29:16):
who's twenty five, who's so impressed by an eight hundred
dollars pair of shoes versus the forty five year old
girlfriend who's like, can you fix clean out my gutter?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, clean out my gutters.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I thought that was so real because we all think,
like as a woman, were like, oh my god, like
I'm hot, I've established myself, i have a career, i
have a home. But also that woman is not going
to be as impressed with your brand new car, right,
Like it's just it is what it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is, exact the opposite.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, And so it's like I just thought that is
that is such an honest perspective of a divorced guy
who's got some money who's dating I.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And so I'm like, he told his truth.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We were talking about, you know, Chris Rock dealing with
the Will Smith things so brilliantly, and I thought it
to wait to sit on that for a year and
a half, to you know, to let it marinate and
cook and then to come out the way he did
I thought was brilliant. Will Smith is back. He's back
on set. They've seen him shooting Bad Boys four with
(30:32):
Martin Lawrence there in Atlanta. I I'll be honest, I
didn't know there was a Bad Boys three. Apparently not
only was there a Bad Boys three, it was huge.
It made like over four hundred million dollars worldwide, was
a massive hit, right before COVID hit. But there's gonna
be a Bad Boys four. And Will Smith he kind of,
you know, he kind of came back with the last show,
(30:53):
what Emancipation, but that was already in the can. It
was a small budget. This is going to be probably
his first kind of big budget, big franchise to come
back with. What do you think can he come back?
Will we accept him back the old Will Smith in
this old role.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I don't think we'll ever accept will never accept them
as the couple. Remember when they would dress alike and everybody,
And I remember again with the waynes I said after
Tom and Nicole broke up, this is a long time ago.
Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Yeah, I remember, I said,
if Jada and Will ever break up people are to
lose their minds because it was one of those that
(31:30):
they were the original couple goals.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They had the blended family.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
They did a WB series about a blended their blended family.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
They the kids were so cute.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The boy looked like her, the girl looked like him,
like you know, everything they dressed alike, that she was
petite and he was tall, and they had their funny
moments on Oprah and everything. Now we know the truth
about their deep relationship and how weird it is, and
nobody's goal is to have an open marriage twenty years in.
I mean, if this is like a big budget movie
that people will go see, yes, but it won't be
(32:02):
I just don't think anyone in this age is like
a true fan for anybody really anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like they're just like, hey, if it's a cool movie
and it's.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
You're sitting at home, I don't know if people will
be like going to the theater to go see it.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
But like, he's a good he's a good actor, he's
a good looking guy.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
He'll never be as funny to me, like, because I'll
always think of that moment.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's hard to get it out of your head. It's
hard not to see that.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I mean I predicted that he would just do like
a more serious net. I think you should have done
a more serious like Netflix type of streaming series.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
To get our feet wet, where we not him being
like haha and like laughing like it would have been.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
There was kind of emancipation right when he came back
with Apple, but it just was too soon and most
people never even knew it existed.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
These people that think they're they're done forever. Nobody's done forever.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Louis c K.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
What is kind of good about the world today? Yes,
will you get that big ensement again? Maybe you won't.
Will you get to be the host of the Today
Show anymore? Maybe you won't. But if you can find
other mediums to be, you know, show your talent in
like a Louis c K. Whatever, people are like, I
don't care, like I still think you're and that's their prerogative. Like,
(33:18):
and that's the comedy club. If the comedy owner wants
to have Luis c K come over someone that sells
half the amount of tickets, they want him because they
know he's going to sell out and then he's going
to sell that many more drinks. They have the right
to have him, and you have the right to never
go to see him or never go to that club again,
and like that's life.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's like Netflix that did that huge Dave Chappelle's show
and everybody, you know, they were up in arms over there.
It's like, but it returned huge dividends. Millions and millions
and millions of people watched. It was a massive success.
So where what do you do with that?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I just think, you know, it's just it's it's great
that everyone has a voice, you know, because everyone can
make a comment and everyone can put a post, and
I think that's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That's what I love about having a podcast, having this
platform to be able to talk and having normal conversation
with you or with anybody. Is It's that's kind of
the beauty of this. Out in your neck of the woods.
Coachella is going on. Yeah, you know, Coachella. It's this
thing that started out as a music festival years ago.
Then it was a place to try molly, Then it
became a place to do your fashion influencing. Now it's
(34:31):
like the place where publicists send their clients to be photographed.
You know, if you're seeing at Coachella, that's like the
thing now, So I want to run these by you.
Sean Mendez and Camilla Cabello. Are they back together? They
were together during Quarantine broke up scene of course at Coachella,
you know, keeping a low profile at Coachella, making out
(34:54):
during one of the sets and you know, snuggling and
a lot of PDA. Are they back together you think?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I mean I always thought the relationship was kind of
fake and like a beard or either.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
One of them or both or either one.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
But now I kind of feel like, oh, maybe that
was real and good for them, you know, I think
there I think, you know, when you're that too high
profile people, it's it's hard to find, you know, find somebody,
and sometimes you go back and recycle an old boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So I hope they're together. That's good.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
If it's real, then I think it is real. If
it's if they come back this many years now, I
think it was always real.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Their mom on the subject right now. This one I'm
not so sure about. Leonardo DiCaprio was seen with Bradley
Cooper's X Arena shake. They were hanging at the Neon Carnival,
as one does there at Coachella, but there were a
lot of other celebs around Stella, Maxwell, Toby Maguire, so
you know, I don't know. I think it's just DiCaprio
(35:51):
being DiCaprio.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I went to that Neon Okay Carnival, Like I
never really did the Coachella thing because it was kind
of like after my time of like doing anything like that.
And I did go to the Near Carnival a couple
of years ago only because it was like a VIP
experience and somebody gave me the tickets and I did
think it was fun. And you do see a lot
of stars, so yeah, who knows if they really did.
But like Leonardo DiCaprio, I love that he has like
(36:16):
become the Jack Nicholson of our time and everyone realizes,
like why do you only date people that are like
And then he tries to date Jijia Hadid like she's
like an older single mother to him, right, you know,
but like, hey, but I mean, he is.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
The Jack Nicholson, And I don't know if that's appropriate.
By the way, if you saw that picture of Jack
Nicholson the other day on his balcony, that's be careful, Leo.
The future is not kind. But I you know, we
will see about Leo, but I think he is a
fascinating character, and you're right, he's kind of just he
has become a caricature of this generation.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Right, which is kind of a bummer really, But anyway,
for who cares, he's doing fun.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This is a story I know you love vander pump Rules. Yes,
the you know Tom Sandoval scandalval the big cheating incidant.
So Arianna, the woman that was cheated on in this
scandal was at Coachella. Shocker. She was being snapped and
taking pictures alongside some mystery man. First of all, if
(37:29):
there's a woman who ever deserves just a good public
outing and go make out with everybody and be seen,
good on you, Arianna, go do it. But also a
great publicist is like get to Coachella, just like let's
get you out there, smart all the way around.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Well you know those all those girls and guys, they
would go every year too.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
But I'm really glad that she went.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And I believe the guy is like a personal trainer
and he's kind of like a friend within all with
all of them. And good for her for you know,
getting some you know, fresh stick and having some fun
on a sunny weekend in Coachella, and I think it's
great that talk about lemonade, you know, making lemons out
of lemonade. She's doing Dancing with the Stars, she got
(38:12):
a collab with Bloomingdale's. She's a really pretty girl anyway,
And so hopefully this will because I kind of felt
like a lot of these people that do these shows,
I'm like, they really have to get some other businesses going.
And she and Katie we're going to do this sandwich shop,
and like the sandwich shop was like never happening. I
(38:35):
don't know if it was like a storyline whatever they say.
They have a actual like a rest, you know, a storefront,
but it hasn't started. This girl doesn't want to make
Sandwichesatie putting up. No, go do dancing with the Stars
and get something else going that interest you that does
not require you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
To like, you know, slice some meat.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah yeah, I mean not referencing the dick from other
fresh meat exactly. And by the way, if you're not
into the Coachella stuff, don't worry. The redneck version Stage
Coach will have plenty of headlines I'm sure coming up
in a couple of weeks as well.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, listen, I have to tell you I we we
have a we built a house out there.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
My sister lives out there.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Is out in Palm Springs.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yes, I have Palm Desert Lakingta.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I will be there this second weekend of Stage of
uh Coachella and Stage Coach. I have absolutely no tickets
and no invitations.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I am putting it out there are begging.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You're sitting here begging for tickets.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Huge not necessarily tickets.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'd rather go to like the influencer type of parties
where it's the afternoon and it's not crowded, but there's
still some music playing and I get like some like
free salad.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And like, you know, a cocktail.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Heather McDonald straight up asking for VIP access from all let.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Reach out to me and I would like to just
hit a couple easy.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Events, slide into your DMS, just make it so exactly exactly.
I went to Stage Coach one year because Jake Owens
was playing. We went out and played a little golf
and Garth Brooks was performing Who I Love, And so
I did Stage Coach. Very windy, very hot, very dusty.
A lot of people.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Now did you go like in the day or did
you just go at night? Like, I don't understand how
long you're supposed to be there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I'm not gonna lie I went at night. I didn't.
I didn't do the whole day. There were some specific
people I wanted to see, Jake and Garth, you know,
among them, and so I kind of went for the evenings. Yeah,
And that was honestly enough for me. I don't love
I don't love crowds. I don't love that element. That
just doesn't do it for me. I would much rather
(40:42):
be sitting like kind of in an arena or some
maybe a smaller like I love going to Hollywood Bowl
sitting in you know that venue totally.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And you have your own little box with your wine
and your food. I like.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And yes, yeah, yeah, I'm bougie, Heather, I'm very boogie.
I know this about myself though.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's all it's all good, and I do think it's
interesting because I'm like, I understand why you have to
buy like the three day pass whatever, but I'm because
that's the smarter way to go marketing wise. But truly,
whether it's like Bravo con or this, I'm good with
one day.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
I never want to go back the next. It's a
lot to go back.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
And Coachelle is a lot, but hey, if you're an influencer,
it's worth the pain, do it. Speaking of pain, before
I let you go, because Palm Springs, you mentioned Palm Springs,
that's where Coachella is. You had a little drama in
Palm Springs a couple of weeks ago, and this like
much talked about all these headlines. What in the world
(41:40):
happened in Palm Springs.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
We've been friends for like five years. She's come to
my birthday. We text each other, we're all hanging out together,
and we went to the B and P tennis the together,
and then later that night we're just talking about something
and then all of a sudden, she like switches to
change the subject and basically tells me that she doesn't
like me. Nobody in that world likes me, nobody wants
(42:06):
to do the show with me. Like it was every horrible,
like triggering, Like literally, I was a Catholic schoolgirl that
was invited to a public school girl slumber party, and
I thought they all liked me, but they only invited
me to tell me that they hate me. It was that,
(42:27):
and I just was shocked and I know how Jeff
works his show, and his show is his radio show is.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A reality show.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
So anything that happens in his world, whether it's his
personal life with his family and his child, romance, or
any of the people that are regulars on the show,
He's going to share it. And I already knew he
knew about it, So I was like, I just I
got to control this narrative. So I have a Patreon,
and I feel like my people that have supported me
(42:56):
on Patreon, I keep the personal stuff for Patrio. I
don't really do that too much personal stuff on my
regular Tuesday Thursday show, so I put it on there.
And also I gave her plenty of time to reach
out and apologize. And also I knew his show goes
out Monday at nine. Mine goes out Tuesday morning. And
I've been in the position of having to defend myself
(43:21):
or rewrite you, or try to correct the narrative. And
I'm like, I'm just going to tell you how I felt.
And the only way I felt was my feelings were
really hurt. Well then, because then people thought she was
an appul for doing it, which she was.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
She didn't like that people knew that she was an asshole.
Well that's not my fault.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Life is too short and equally too long to be
surrounded by people who don't love and adore you and
support you. And yeah, secondly, I find you fabulous and
I'm glad you're here, and I true know, seriously, I
truly appreciate you being here. I feel like you and
I could just talk for days and days. I like
you the way you are unabashedly able to just talk
(44:01):
about stuff. I think it's so important and it's very
refreshing and I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, thank you, and I'll just give my plugs in
and make it life easy. So my show is Juicy Scoop.
It's been around, it'll be eight years in July. It's
every Tuesday and Thursday. And if you want to join,
what I talk about is patron. You just go to
heatherbrick Dahala dot net and you click on patroon, but
also at Heatherbygdald dot net. Are my live shows coming up?
I have a live Juicy Scoop in Vegas in May,
(44:27):
but I also have like a combo where it's Juicy
Scoop and stand up. I have all my regulars on
it's always comedy, it's always pop culture.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's always fresh and new.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
And I have a bunch of summer shows coming up
from the East Coast to San Francisco to Irvine.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay, so in the country you hit in the Midwest,
do you come in.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Across not really, not necessarily a country. I'm not doing
that many. I'm just doing Yeah, I'm just doing East
Coast in August and San Francisco and in September, like
I said, and then San Diego Humphreys by the Bay,
which is a huge venue. It's my biggest show I'll
be doing, and that's in San Diego and it's like
an outdoor kind of a thing, which I'm excited about.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So that's all at Heather dgald Nett.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
It's great comedy and fun and come see the shows
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
And listen to the podcast Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
and for everything else you can go to the website.
And again, thanks for being here. I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Thank you, take care all right, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
My thanks to Heather McDonald for joining me. Comedian, actor,
best selling author, and she has the podcast as well.
It's just refreshing to talk about, just get her take
on everything, and it's one of the things again, I
love about this podcast, just bringing different people on from
different walks of life and getting their take and their perspective.
And that's what it's all about, is just hearing people
(45:48):
and listening and hearing from you. If you have any comments,
you can leave them below. Thank you for listening, and
I'll talk to you next time because we have a
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