March 31, 2025 • 19 mins
Shannen Doherty was not included in the in memoriam segment at the Oscars, in this episode, Tori Spelling hosts her own special tribute as she celebrates the remarkable career of her lifelong friend.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, let's be clear, listeners. I'm Tory Spelling, and I'm
Shan's lifelong friend and former co star, and today I'm
truly honored. It's like quite an honor to do this,
to be guest hosting Shan's podcast, not only as her friend,
but also as one of her super fans. And I
(00:29):
truly was the Academy Awards happened recently. I'm sure all
of you definitely saw as I saw, as the world
saw that it was heartbreaking that Shannon was left out
of the in memoriam segment at the Academy Awards, and
I have to say it was shocking, truly shocking, because
(00:56):
to me, I discovered Shannon as a fan on the
big screen while she was so iconically known for her
TV roles, which I want to honor her and go
through her career today, but it's really the big screen
where her career just thrived and she just like lit
up the big screen going back to when she was
(01:19):
a kid. So I know that was heartbreaking. I saw
the headlines, I saw the fans that were so outraged
on her behalf. I couldn't believe it my heart. Honestly,
when the in memoriam stopped and she hadn't been included,
(01:39):
my heart dropped. It sank, and it sank because I
was like, what, it's such a miss. And I know,
I know there's so many people in the entertainment industry
and they can't quite fit them all in the in memoriam.
And I don't know what the rules are there, how
people are picked and not picked, But I just think
(02:02):
when someone's so iconic to fans across the world passes
and they're not remembered for their legacy and the great
work they did, I just I just think it's shocking.
And it personally felt a little triggering to me because
this is the third person that I love that has
been left out of the end memoriam. The year my
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dad passed, I remember he was left out of it,
and then ironically, the year that Luke Perry passed, he
was left out of it. But it's not like Shannon
could have been an oversight. Like I just felt for
all of us watching that loved her and loved her work,
it felt like not only was she robbed.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But like we were robbed. So I felt it with you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So today we are going to give Shan the proper
honoring of her career. So I'm really really excited to
take you guys through her career because there might be
things that you didn't even know that she did. There's
something that surprised me that I totally forgot about. So
Shannon's love for acting started young, doing children's theater. She
(03:11):
did commercials, but her first role in a feature film
was voicing the character Teresa Brigsby in the United Artist's
animated feature The Secret of Nim in nineteen eighty two. Now,
when I was prepping and going through all of Shannon's work.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Which is so like, such a huge body of work,
I had forgotten that she was a voice in the
Secret of Nim That was like the animated feature for
my childhood.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And I was like, oh my god, she really could
do it all. She voiced that supporting role in the
Don Bluth production when she was only eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I read it to Don Bluth at a convention and
we talked about what that experience was, and Don Bluth
was amazingly talented and so common. The interesting thing about
voiceovers is that you're in a booth by yourself recording
your lines with people staring through recording studio through a
glass telling you, you know, do it this way, or
(04:12):
do it that way, or give me five readings in
a row. And you don't get to hang out with
the cast that much because you're all in different time schedules.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Shan would often talk about her friend and mentor Michael Landon.
He hired her to play Drusilla in the TV show
Father Murphy and of course as that iconic Jenny Wilder
and Little House on the Prairie and Little House on
the Prairie was such a huge hit for NBC. I
(04:41):
mean it prompted several TV movies including Little House, Look
Back to Yesterday, The Last Farewell, and Bless All the
Dear Children.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It was really the experience on Little House that spurred
that passion on for being an actor. And it was
having a min tour like Michael Landon, and I don't
care what anybody else's experience was, Like I know the
truth about that man, and he was just unbelievable, so
(05:13):
so so talented, so kind, so considerate, shaved me in
so many ways, and it still is the best experience
of my entire career.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
While her television career was thriving. The big screen came
a calling, and at age fourteen, Shannon appeared in the
rom com Girls Just Want to Have Fun, starring Sarah,
Jessica Parker, and Helen Hunt. The film debuted on Shannon's
birthday on April twelfth, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I did a couple of takes, and the director wanted
me to be more excited and more of a girl
that age with a crush. How she would react fantastic
note he was right, but I was so confused on
how to do that because it was so outside of
my own personality, and I was not a girl who
had experienced a crush yet. So it was really digging
(06:06):
from nowhere essentially to come up with an appropriate reaction
that would make everybody happy with my performance. So I
think sarcastically, I jumped up and down and in circles
and squealed. If you watch it, you'll note the scene
it's at the dance off.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
When I watched that years.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And years later, because I don't like watching anything that
I am in, but people kept on talking about Girls
Just Want to Have Fun, I thought, Hi, I should
probably watch it. People really liked it. I cringed when
that scene came on. My face turned red. I wondered
how I could buy up every DVD. How I could,
because that's probably how long ago it was that I
watched it. I was accumulated and embarrassed by my performance,
(06:50):
and I deeply apologized to the director Chuck that I
had that performance.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was really bad.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
From that point on, Shannon remained busy on the sets
of several shows and TV movies and all while receiving
her education through homeschooling and set teachers. But it was
one movie in particular that solidified her place in Hollywood,
and that was the iconic nineteen eighty eight teen drama Heathers.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I don't think I was eighteen yet, and my mom
was on set with me.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I remember thinking that the.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Other girls were really beautiful and that I was awkward looking,
and I had a little bit of insecurity about that.
But I really kind of hung out with my mom because,
you know, except for Winona, everybody else was older than
me at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So it's so interesting because Shan had like such a
good girl in her the way she was raised, and
it was hard for her to curse like doing Heathers.
She had said that it was hard for her to
have to say curse words, and she felt that way
in real life too, even though she had the rebellious
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side of her and she could be really fun and
silly and curse like with her friends. That was always
something that I guess, in a way just stayed with
her and was ingrained in her. And she was very
proper in certain ways, I don't want to say conservative,
but definitely had really good morals, I would say, and
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at conventions in the past, that's an iconic line in
the movie Heathers is fucked Me gently with a chainsaw,
And fans would often come up with posters from Heathers
at conventions and other things and want her to write it.
And while she always wanted to please the fans, I
know that part of it made her uncomfortable just going
(08:54):
back to even putting a curseword like in writing and
writing something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So I just thought that was so sweet.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I just remember in high school, like all my
friends and I this is before I even could have
dreamt of like working with and being friends with Shan, Like,
we would all say like, fuck me gently with a chainsawn.
We thought we were so cool. Like she was the
coolest heather That's just my personal opinion. In fact, I
was so obsessed with the movie Heathers that I remember
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telling my dad when he had shown me. Originally it
was called Class of Beverly Hills. It was the script,
the pilot script for nine o two and zero, and
he was looking to cast Brenda and Brandon Walsh, and.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I brought him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
A picture of Shannon and I was like, this is
Brenda Walsh.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You have to put her in.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And it was just because I was such a huge fan.
I just loved her so much.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I thought she was so great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And I mean, my dad would always take my word
on something. It's not like he would put someone in
it just to put them in it. Like obviously he
did his due diligence and had her come in to
read and everything. But you know, she was it obviously
because she was amazing and she was supposed to be
Brenda Walsh always. But it's just so interesting that I
(10:13):
was like, oh my god, this is the it girl.
I had the privilege of working with Shannon for four
seasons on Beverly Hills nine O two and zero, when
her beloved character Brenda Walsh became a household name.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on
that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there
were really hard moments for me. I recall when tensions
started happening on the set, and it was always awesome
to me that the boys got along so well and
it wasn't necessarily the same with the girls. I was
pretty exhausted, and I was going through a lot of
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my own growing up and it just seemed that I
was really getting the brunt of why is the show
about Brenda and Brandon? Well, because it's about the Washes.
I didn't write the show, but I think I give
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us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and to forgive
others for being friggin' kids.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And it's important to note that when Shannon left nine
o two and zero, she was literally at the height
of her career and she could have chosen a number
of projects at that point, but she definitely was a
true trail blazer, and she chose to make the indie
movie Mall Rats with a then up and coming director
(11:45):
named Kevin Smith.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They were like, you know, there's this movie, but you
have to audition. I was like, Okay, let me read it.
And then I read it and they're like it's Kevin
Smith and he did Clerics, and I'm like, okay, let
me watch that.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And I was like, yeah, okay, a audition. It was
like the monologue. It was crazy, but I did it.
The best dialogue I've ever gotten, to say.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Mal Rats was not a box office success when premiered
in nineteen ninety five. In fact, Shannon felt that the
indie flick hurt her career in film, but Shannon's loyalty
to director Kevin Smith never wavered, and with time, mal
Rats ended up becoming a cult classic. Shannon loved playing
Renee in the film and hoped to one day reprise
(12:36):
her role in a mal Rat sequel. Next, Shannon played
the starring role in a movie based on a true
story called Gone in the Night.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I felt a deep responsibility to the family to portray
their story accurately. There was just a lot of pressure
that I felt doing that movie. And it's also one
that I'm really, really really proud of. I think it
turned out wonderful. The cast was amazing. Yeah, that would
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go down as a piece of work that I'm extremely
proud of.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
A few years later, we heard Shannon seeing in a
TV movie called Friends Till the End.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
After that movie came out, I had a couple of
meetings with some amazing record people, and it was something
that I discussed. But ultimately, I think I was incredibly
insecure about my singing voice, and I was also insecure
about how people would receive that from me because there
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was so much other stuff going on with rumors about
me that adding to it. I think I just got
I think I got scared. I chickened out of doing
anything with singing. I might regret it a little bit,
but not too much.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Shannon continued making magic on television when she played prou
Halliwell in three seasons of Charm, which is also where
she learned to direct.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
When I direct something, I do a lot of shot
list and I like to have storyboards done, and I
usually base the aesthetic the look of it on a
particular painting. So for instance, the last episode I directed
of Charmed, it was based on a salvad Or Dolly painting.
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That was the color scheme, the esthetic, the mood, everything else.
And then I just like to be overly prepared because
I don't think that people have to work sixteen hours
on a TV show a day, So I like to
know how I can condense things, how I can put
people in two shots, how many cameras can I actually use,
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still be on budget, hopefully come in under budget, and
get people out at a normal hour so that they
can go home and have family time.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Shannon worked with her fair share of major leading men,
from Mel Gibson to Bruce Willis. She appeared in several
films from director James Colin Bressick.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
The Bruce Willis movie it was called The Fortress. That
also was a really kind of fascinating experience for me,
and I just remember this scene with him that was
written one way.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was written.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
As I'm a general and I'm an actual bad guy
and he's the good guy hero, as Bruce Willis always is.
And it was just me sort of saying, you know,
this is this is how it works, buddy, essentially, And
in that moment of filming it, Bruce and I had
a very different connection. For me as an actor, I
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can tell you that I've had a couple of really
like raw moments, you know, I mean, you hope that
all of them come across as like raw, honest moments,
but personally very raw, honest moments that are captured on screen,
and that was one of them. Those are the moments
that I always look back and I'm like, oh man,
that's when I was my best. Is when I'm like
the most raw and sort of broken down because there's
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no there's no wall, there's no pretense, you're not self conscious,
you're not any of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You're just like in the moment. And it's something that
I strive for as an actor.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And while I have mentioned some of her biggest career accomplishments,
Shannon's legacy is so much more than her IMDb page.
She was a loving friend and a fierce warrior when
it came to standing up for what she believed in.
She wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, and yet she
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had such a kind heart. She was sensitive underneath what
she put front as a tough exterior, and her dignity
mattered to her more than any career accolade.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Being my own cheerleader has been a tough one for
me that I have not mastered. And yeah, you know,
you hear stories, and I hear this from a lot
of people, or I used to hear it from a
lot of people of Oh, I was warned about you,
and I was told that you're difficult or you're this,
And it's so hard for me to realize that there's
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a whole like narrative and agenda that's out there about
me that has almost nothing to do with me. As
you know, I'm pretty sensitive and I tend to take
a lot of things personal, and it hurts me that there's,
you know, something out there about me that is not
true or isn't one hundred percent of the truth, or
there's you know, two sides to every story. There's this,
(17:38):
there's that I can't worry about, like the random ten
people that are pissed that I'm saying something I've got
to worry about, Like am I being honest to me?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
She fought constantly for female voices in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We still obviously a very long way to go, because
I think that, particularly in my business, I think there's
still a lot of like massage, Like I think that
how women are treated in this business. And I think
I've said it that I don't think that things have
changed nearly enough, but.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
At least there's some change.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
She fought for cancer thrivers around the world. She fought
for animal rights with all her passion and soul, and
I can't think of a better legacy for such a
beautiful person.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm familiar with Helen Back a couple of times. I've
been through Helen Back.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Now, you know, at the end of the day, people
have to learn their own lessons in life, and shit
happens in life and it's okay to talk about it,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay to share it.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
All I'm really trying to show all of you is
who I really am, like who I've always been, and
who I am deep down.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's be clear, Shannon Doherty deserves recognition for her contributions
the board. I just want to wrap up this tribute
by saying thank you. Thank you to all of Shannon's listeners.
Thank you so much for helping me celebrate her incredible career.
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We love you, Shanon, and we miss you every single
day forever.
This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, let's be clear, listeners. I'm Tory Spelling, and I'm
Shan's lifelong friend and former co star, and today I'm
truly honored. It's like quite an honor to do this,
to be guest hosting Shan's podcast, not only as her friend,
but also as one of her super fans. And I
(00:29):
truly was the Academy Awards happened recently. I'm sure all
of you definitely saw as I saw, as the world
saw that it was heartbreaking that Shannon was left out
of the in memoriam segment at the Academy Awards, and
I have to say it was shocking, truly shocking, because
(00:56):
to me, I discovered Shannon as a fan on the
big screen while she was so iconically known for her
TV roles, which I want to honor her and go
through her career today, but it's really the big screen
where her career just thrived and she just like lit
up the big screen going back to when she was
(01:19):
a kid. So I know that was heartbreaking. I saw
the headlines, I saw the fans that were so outraged
on her behalf. I couldn't believe it my heart. Honestly,
when the in memoriam stopped and she hadn't been included,
(01:39):
my heart dropped. It sank, and it sank because I
was like, what, it's such a miss. And I know,
I know there's so many people in the entertainment industry
and they can't quite fit them all in the in memoriam.
And I don't know what the rules are there, how
people are picked and not picked, But I just think
(02:02):
when someone's so iconic to fans across the world passes
and they're not remembered for their legacy and the great
work they did, I just I just think it's shocking.
And it personally felt a little triggering to me because
this is the third person that I love that has
been left out of the end memoriam. The year my
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dad passed, I remember he was left out of it,
and then ironically, the year that Luke Perry passed, he
was left out of it. But it's not like Shannon
could have been an oversight. Like I just felt for
all of us watching that loved her and loved her work,
it felt like not only was she robbed.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But like we were robbed. So I felt it with you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So today we are going to give Shan the proper
honoring of her career. So I'm really really excited to
take you guys through her career because there might be
things that you didn't even know that she did. There's
something that surprised me that I totally forgot about. So
Shannon's love for acting started young, doing children's theater. She
(03:11):
did commercials, but her first role in a feature film
was voicing the character Teresa Brigsby in the United Artist's
animated feature The Secret of Nim in nineteen eighty two. Now,
when I was prepping and going through all of Shannon's work.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Which is so like, such a huge body of work,
I had forgotten that she was a voice in the
Secret of Nim That was like the animated feature for
my childhood.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And I was like, oh my god, she really could
do it all. She voiced that supporting role in the
Don Bluth production when she was only eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I read it to Don Bluth at a convention and
we talked about what that experience was, and Don Bluth
was amazingly talented and so common. The interesting thing about
voiceovers is that you're in a booth by yourself recording
your lines with people staring through recording studio through a
glass telling you, you know, do it this way, or
(04:12):
do it that way, or give me five readings in
a row. And you don't get to hang out with
the cast that much because you're all in different time schedules.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Shan would often talk about her friend and mentor Michael Landon.
He hired her to play Drusilla in the TV show
Father Murphy and of course as that iconic Jenny Wilder
and Little House on the Prairie and Little House on
the Prairie was such a huge hit for NBC. I
(04:41):
mean it prompted several TV movies including Little House, Look
Back to Yesterday, The Last Farewell, and Bless All the
Dear Children.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It was really the experience on Little House that spurred
that passion on for being an actor. And it was
having a min tour like Michael Landon, and I don't
care what anybody else's experience was, Like I know the
truth about that man, and he was just unbelievable, so
(05:13):
so so talented, so kind, so considerate, shaved me in
so many ways, and it still is the best experience
of my entire career.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
While her television career was thriving. The big screen came
a calling, and at age fourteen, Shannon appeared in the
rom com Girls Just Want to Have Fun, starring Sarah,
Jessica Parker, and Helen Hunt. The film debuted on Shannon's
birthday on April twelfth, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I did a couple of takes, and the director wanted
me to be more excited and more of a girl
that age with a crush. How she would react fantastic
note he was right, but I was so confused on
how to do that because it was so outside of
my own personality, and I was not a girl who
had experienced a crush yet. So it was really digging
(06:06):
from nowhere essentially to come up with an appropriate reaction
that would make everybody happy with my performance. So I
think sarcastically, I jumped up and down and in circles
and squealed. If you watch it, you'll note the scene
it's at the dance off.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
When I watched that years.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And years later, because I don't like watching anything that
I am in, but people kept on talking about Girls
Just Want to Have Fun, I thought, Hi, I should
probably watch it. People really liked it. I cringed when
that scene came on. My face turned red. I wondered
how I could buy up every DVD. How I could,
because that's probably how long ago it was that I
watched it. I was accumulated and embarrassed by my performance,
(06:50):
and I deeply apologized to the director Chuck that I
had that performance.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was really bad.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
From that point on, Shannon remained busy on the sets
of several shows and TV movies and all while receiving
her education through homeschooling and set teachers. But it was
one movie in particular that solidified her place in Hollywood,
and that was the iconic nineteen eighty eight teen drama Heathers.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I don't think I was eighteen yet, and my mom
was on set with me.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I remember thinking that the.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Other girls were really beautiful and that I was awkward looking,
and I had a little bit of insecurity about that.
But I really kind of hung out with my mom because,
you know, except for Winona, everybody else was older than
me at that time.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So it's so interesting because Shan had like such a
good girl in her the way she was raised, and
it was hard for her to curse like doing Heathers.
She had said that it was hard for her to
have to say curse words, and she felt that way
in real life too, even though she had the rebellious
(08:07):
side of her and she could be really fun and
silly and curse like with her friends. That was always
something that I guess, in a way just stayed with
her and was ingrained in her. And she was very
proper in certain ways, I don't want to say conservative,
but definitely had really good morals, I would say, and
(08:31):
at conventions in the past, that's an iconic line in
the movie Heathers is fucked Me gently with a chainsaw,
And fans would often come up with posters from Heathers
at conventions and other things and want her to write it.
And while she always wanted to please the fans, I
know that part of it made her uncomfortable just going
(08:54):
back to even putting a curseword like in writing and
writing something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So I just thought that was so sweet.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I just remember in high school, like all my
friends and I this is before I even could have
dreamt of like working with and being friends with Shan, Like,
we would all say like, fuck me gently with a chainsawn.
We thought we were so cool. Like she was the
coolest heather That's just my personal opinion. In fact, I
was so obsessed with the movie Heathers that I remember
(09:23):
telling my dad when he had shown me. Originally it
was called Class of Beverly Hills. It was the script,
the pilot script for nine o two and zero, and
he was looking to cast Brenda and Brandon Walsh, and.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I brought him.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
A picture of Shannon and I was like, this is
Brenda Walsh.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You have to put her in.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And it was just because I was such a huge fan.
I just loved her so much.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I thought she was so great.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And I mean, my dad would always take my word
on something. It's not like he would put someone in
it just to put them in it. Like obviously he
did his due diligence and had her come in to
read and everything. But you know, she was it obviously
because she was amazing and she was supposed to be
Brenda Walsh always. But it's just so interesting that I
(10:13):
was like, oh my god, this is the it girl.
I had the privilege of working with Shannon for four
seasons on Beverly Hills nine O two and zero, when
her beloved character Brenda Walsh became a household name.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I definitely went through a lot of growing pains on
that show. There was beautiful moments for me, and there
were really hard moments for me. I recall when tensions
started happening on the set, and it was always awesome
to me that the boys got along so well and
it wasn't necessarily the same with the girls. I was
pretty exhausted, and I was going through a lot of
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my own growing up and it just seemed that I
was really getting the brunt of why is the show
about Brenda and Brandon? Well, because it's about the Washes.
I didn't write the show, but I think I give
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us more allowance now to forgive ourselves and to forgive
others for being friggin' kids.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And it's important to note that when Shannon left nine
o two and zero, she was literally at the height
of her career and she could have chosen a number
of projects at that point, but she definitely was a
true trail blazer, and she chose to make the indie
movie Mall Rats with a then up and coming director
(11:45):
named Kevin Smith.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They were like, you know, there's this movie, but you
have to audition. I was like, Okay, let me read it.
And then I read it and they're like it's Kevin
Smith and he did Clerics, and I'm like, okay, let
me watch that.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
And I was like, yeah, okay, a audition. It was
like the monologue. It was crazy, but I did it.
The best dialogue I've ever gotten, to say.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Mal Rats was not a box office success when premiered
in nineteen ninety five. In fact, Shannon felt that the
indie flick hurt her career in film, but Shannon's loyalty
to director Kevin Smith never wavered, and with time, mal
Rats ended up becoming a cult classic. Shannon loved playing
Renee in the film and hoped to one day reprise
(12:36):
her role in a mal Rat sequel. Next, Shannon played
the starring role in a movie based on a true
story called Gone in the Night.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I felt a deep responsibility to the family to portray
their story accurately. There was just a lot of pressure
that I felt doing that movie. And it's also one
that I'm really, really really proud of. I think it
turned out wonderful. The cast was amazing. Yeah, that would
(13:19):
go down as a piece of work that I'm extremely
proud of.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
A few years later, we heard Shannon seeing in a
TV movie called Friends Till the End.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
After that movie came out, I had a couple of
meetings with some amazing record people, and it was something
that I discussed. But ultimately, I think I was incredibly
insecure about my singing voice, and I was also insecure
about how people would receive that from me because there
(13:50):
was so much other stuff going on with rumors about
me that adding to it. I think I just got
I think I got scared. I chickened out of doing
anything with singing. I might regret it a little bit,
but not too much.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Shannon continued making magic on television when she played prou
Halliwell in three seasons of Charm, which is also where
she learned to direct.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
When I direct something, I do a lot of shot
list and I like to have storyboards done, and I
usually base the aesthetic the look of it on a
particular painting. So for instance, the last episode I directed
of Charmed, it was based on a salvad Or Dolly painting.
(14:35):
That was the color scheme, the esthetic, the mood, everything else.
And then I just like to be overly prepared because
I don't think that people have to work sixteen hours
on a TV show a day, So I like to
know how I can condense things, how I can put
people in two shots, how many cameras can I actually use,
(14:57):
still be on budget, hopefully come in under budget, and
get people out at a normal hour so that they
can go home and have family time.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Shannon worked with her fair share of major leading men,
from Mel Gibson to Bruce Willis. She appeared in several
films from director James Colin Bressick.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
The Bruce Willis movie it was called The Fortress. That
also was a really kind of fascinating experience for me,
and I just remember this scene with him that was
written one way.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was written.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
As I'm a general and I'm an actual bad guy
and he's the good guy hero, as Bruce Willis always is.
And it was just me sort of saying, you know,
this is this is how it works, buddy, essentially, And
in that moment of filming it, Bruce and I had
a very different connection. For me as an actor, I
(15:50):
can tell you that I've had a couple of really
like raw moments, you know, I mean, you hope that
all of them come across as like raw, honest moments,
but personally very raw, honest moments that are captured on screen,
and that was one of them. Those are the moments
that I always look back and I'm like, oh man,
that's when I was my best. Is when I'm like
the most raw and sort of broken down because there's
(16:11):
no there's no wall, there's no pretense, you're not self conscious,
you're not any of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You're just like in the moment. And it's something that
I strive for as an actor.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And while I have mentioned some of her biggest career accomplishments,
Shannon's legacy is so much more than her IMDb page.
She was a loving friend and a fierce warrior when
it came to standing up for what she believed in.
She wasn't afraid of anything or anyone, and yet she
(16:41):
had such a kind heart. She was sensitive underneath what
she put front as a tough exterior, and her dignity
mattered to her more than any career accolade.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Being my own cheerleader has been a tough one for
me that I have not mastered. And yeah, you know,
you hear stories, and I hear this from a lot
of people, or I used to hear it from a
lot of people of Oh, I was warned about you,
and I was told that you're difficult or you're this,
And it's so hard for me to realize that there's
(17:16):
a whole like narrative and agenda that's out there about
me that has almost nothing to do with me. As
you know, I'm pretty sensitive and I tend to take
a lot of things personal, and it hurts me that there's,
you know, something out there about me that is not
true or isn't one hundred percent of the truth, or
there's you know, two sides to every story. There's this,
(17:38):
there's that I can't worry about, like the random ten
people that are pissed that I'm saying something I've got
to worry about, Like am I being honest to me?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
She fought constantly for female voices in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We still obviously a very long way to go, because
I think that, particularly in my business, I think there's
still a lot of like massage, Like I think that
how women are treated in this business. And I think
I've said it that I don't think that things have
changed nearly enough, but.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
At least there's some change.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
She fought for cancer thrivers around the world. She fought
for animal rights with all her passion and soul, and
I can't think of a better legacy for such a
beautiful person.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm familiar with Helen Back a couple of times. I've
been through Helen Back.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Now, you know, at the end of the day, people
have to learn their own lessons in life, and shit
happens in life and it's okay to talk about it,
and it's.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay to share it.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
All I'm really trying to show all of you is
who I really am, like who I've always been, and
who I am deep down.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Let's be clear, Shannon Doherty deserves recognition for her contributions
the board. I just want to wrap up this tribute
by saying thank you. Thank you to all of Shannon's listeners.
Thank you so much for helping me celebrate her incredible career.
(19:13):
We love you, Shanon, and we miss you every single
day forever.
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Lauren Zima
Chris Harrison
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