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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.
And this time I'm not alone. Well, I know sometimes
Lauren Zima is here with me, but I'm not alone
today because joining me again for his second episode is
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former Bachelor times too. Brad Womack. How you doing, Bud?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Doing great? And thank you for having me. Man. We
always good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I welcomed you into my home because a You're a
good friend, You're a good man. We have kept in
touch over the years, which I am so grateful for,
and you live here in Austin. Kind of I think,
honestly that's a weird one is that I don't know
the answer to that I got and maybe you don't
know the answer to that either. We're going to get
to that in a little bit. But you're nice enough
to drive across town and join me here at the
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house today. You were the Bachelor twice, the only person
in the history of the show two decades that was
the Bachelor two times, and so we had to do
a double episode with you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I appreciate that very much. I'm just glad to be
here with you man. I like hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And if you missed episode one with Brad, go back
and listen to it. Holy cal there were some fireworks,
breaking news stories. Yeah. So it was two thousand and
seven when you were the Bachelor for the first time,
and obviously famously you had walked away. You didn't choose anybody,
but while you kind of got hammered a little bit
for it, at some point, like a year or so
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down the road, there was an emotional shift in the
country towards Brad Womack. I felt it. Did you feel
it all of a sudden people forgave and loved you again?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah? But you know, I can very happily say that
I did feel that for whatever reason, and I'm grateful
for it. To anyone listening that is on the positive trajectory,
so to speak, thank you. I needed that. But yeah,
I did feel that, and it felt damn good.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I think, if I were to guess, being the psychiatrist
I am for the country, you stayed true to yourself.
You never wavered, You never gave in to say things
that would have made you popular or taken the heat
off at the time. You took it all. And I
think owning up to it was big, but also be
I think people realized after a few more seasons of
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kind of fake proposals and breakups, they saw you and said,
maybe he was the most real we ever had. Oh well,
and I think there was a respect factor of I
do like this guy, and that was the most emotionally
intelligent thing to do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thank you, man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
There was this ground swell of support that brought you
back into the good graces of everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I appreciate that. I did feel it was and it
was so welcome, man. I mean we discussed it first
episode that that was a really rough time after the
first season and so, and we discussed I care what
people think about me, and so, Yeah, it feels really
good to feel that. I guess the tides turned, so
to speak.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But there had to be a bit of a sour
taste with how you had left, not just not the show,
but production because that final day, if you if you
heard in the first episode it was contentious. Sure, it
was brutal. They really went after you and in a
not so nice way. Sure what made you want to
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want to not just do the show but get back
in bed with them again?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sure, you know, I think I don't judge anybody on
this earth for one or two interactions, right, I mean,
I just don't. And you know, you have to realize,
or I have to realize. You know, that show is
a machine. There's a lot of production value behind it.
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There's a lot of money behind it, you know, and
I'm sure ratings for one season depend on budget for
this next. All of the interesting. So if I in
any way disrupted that, I can understand the anger.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But you didn't. I mean, your show is highly rated,
thank you, sir, But the only reason you were invited
back to the party is the first party has to
be a success. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love the honesty.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They don't do things out of the kindness of their heart.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, they don't. I've learned that. But okay, so well
that's well said. But maybe it was the unknown. I
don't know. But bottom line is, I really don't. I mean,
I like to give people room to be who they are,
meaning we all react. I mean, you've seen me react
very angrily at times, and hopefully that's not, you know,
a soul telling sign of my character, you know. And
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so anyway, but the reason I wanted to jump back in,
I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. I
believe in the show. I do call me a hopeless romantic,
but I genuinely believe in that show, or I at
least believe that you can meet somebody no matter where
you're at, and she might be the one or he
might be the one.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And so it's twenty ten or three years later, yes, sir,
and we come back full circle and bring back Brad Walmack.
And this is a very popular choice by now. Off screen,
you and I are very good friends. We've hung out
several times. I think. I think it was after when
I was actually dating somebody from Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
When I didn't want to bring that up.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You bring it up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We don't have to say who it was. I came
to town and I called you, and I just was
going to go to dinner or whatever and see you
as I always did when I came into Austin and
you said, no, no, man, come and stay at my place.
Of course, man, you let us move into your place.
Sure for a whole year. And here's the best part.
You had this spectacular two or three bedroom condo and
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you know it's amazing. So we get there and I
assume we're going to be staying with you. You left,
of course, you packed up, and You're like, I'm gonna
go stay with my brother Chad. And I'm like, dude,
you don't. I'm not kicking you out of your house.
But this is the kind of guy Brad is. He
leaves and gives me the keys to his condo for
the weekend. What you're just You're such a good guy.
(05:59):
It was unreal. And the other thing that really blew
me away, and I didn't finish the story in episode one. Yes,
you gave me a shirt and he gave me a
parting gift after the show. But there was another time
that I saw this guy and said, could this be real?
Is he really the nicest guy I've ever known? My
fortieth birthday remember that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, of course of course.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So my fortieth birthday, I came here with all my
family and friends to celebrate over on Lake Travis and
I rented a house and we know, we had the boats,
the jet skis were having a great time. We pull
up to the house and there's it's like, you know
this is it's actually kind of pre Airbnb. It's just
a rental shirt. So We're renting this house, and there's
somebody scurrying out of the house, and I'm like, son
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of a bitch, like this thing's supposed to be empty,
and I'm trying to impress my friends and family. I
want this to be awesome. And somebody is here and
I'm like, what is going on? And I see this
person back, you know, coming out of the house. And
now look and we get closer, that's Brad. What that
Brad Womack could take it upon himself because he's a
bar owner. You had fully stocked the house. You brought
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a whole bar and dropped it off at our house,
just set it up for my birthday, and was leaving
like a thief in the night because and luckily I
got to see you and give you a hug and sure,
thank you, And You're like, I don't want to stay.
I don't want to thank you. I just wanted you
to have a good time, Bud, and you took off. Sure,
we ended up seeing you for dinner later we came
into town. But to those stories were you know. That's
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why you will always be one of my favorite human
beings to ever have been on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Thank you, man, You always.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Went above and beyond. It was never about you.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, thank you. Well, first of all, you're my friend
right period, and so friends made a lot to me,
but also you did a lot for me. And I
don't want to get too cheesy and stuff, but I'm
very grateful for the experiences that I've had. I'm grateful
for the friendships that I've made. And so, yeah, that
was a blip. I really appreciate you mentioning that. But
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when I say that was a blip to me, it
was a gesture to say thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So yeah, that's all I.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Got why everybody loves Brad you do well because I
know there's a one offs, but you do that stuff
all the time and I know for a fact you
do and that's that's why we all love you. So
you go into twenty ten, say, and you are the
Bachelor again, And you said in episode one it wasn't
about redemption. You didn't need to clear your name because
you are beloved. Everybody loved you, even though we all
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gave you a hard time. And I think some one
woman even slapped you on night one.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes she did kind of liked it, you know, it
showed fire. I mean, let's face it, it showed fire,
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So one of the producers obviously came up with the
idea that a woman would get out of the car
and slap Brad and said, you know, I think she
said this is for the whole country or.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So all the women across America. I think that's a
direct quote. And can I say something That woman did
not hold back.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, Oh, she gave you a legit, Slau.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
She rang my bell, Chris.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That's how the season started. Sure, and that was obviously
the famous season with Emily Maynard. Yeah, you were partially
and unfortunately maybe responsible for creating maybe our biggest Starmily Emily.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Sure you have one. No, that's self creation was.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
An absolute rock star. That is the season that where
we put her on the map. Was this sweet mom
and back then I think her daughter was only like
two or three years old at the time, I was
very young and she came on your show. And by
then we were traveling, Yes, we were, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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And I forget where all we went, but I know
we ended up in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We did Anguilla, Cape Town.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's right. Oh my god, I swear to you. So
Lauren and I just did a auction for Experience Camps,
this amazing camp for people who have lost a significant
like a caretaker, a mom and dad, or a sibling.
And we auctioned off a trip to Anguilla. Did you,
and I said, Brad Womack season we were at the
Queens Art Resort.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To this day, the prettiest place I've ever seen was Yeah.
But back to Emily as far as her stardom so
to speak, yeah, I had absolutely nothing to do with
her light, that's her.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Just that was the season we introduced I Got You, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Got you, got you? Yes, She's just natural. Man, my gosh,
just a beautiful person inside and out.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just jumped off the screen. Yeah, man, there are some
people that just captivate you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Jojo was another one.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you know, I've always wanted to meet her and and.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You guys are so similar because again Texas people, Her
and Jordan are amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I've heard this both of them. I want to meet
both of them. Let me clarify.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you meant. Jojo
and Jordan, Raven and Adam are another couple you got
to meet here that are just incredible. But Jojo was
another one where you just saw you like, she just
jumps off the screen. Yes, she does this thing about her.
But Emily Maynard was your final choice. You actually did
choose somebody in that season?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Did you feel the extra pressure coming towards the end
there to actually make that choice, because I know we
worried more about landing that plane as we called it
on the show, because you know, it's like the movie
Runaway Bride. It's like we've seen this before. Sure, is
he really going to pull the trigger?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I wanted this for you. I actually you know
by now we're friends, right and I really want you
to find love, and I thought it was happening.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Right well, I wanted it for me too, And you
know I can't lie and say I didn't feel any
pressure at all. Of Course I did. Yeah, of course
I did. But I'll tell you, man to man, I
wouldn't have chosen anybody if I didn't feel what I
felt for Emily. And what I felt for Emily at
that time for me was love. And and you know, people,
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I'm sure there are scoffs going across the nation right
now right what I felt in that I felt like
I was in love with this woman, period, and so you.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Make decisions with the knowledge you have and the feelings
you have at the time. Of course, it's easy to
look back and be like, oh, that was crazy. You
know that first marriage was terrible. It's like at the time,
that's what we knew talking.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I didn't care about her because she dumps me.
Sorry for the laugh, but I'm getting it's uh No,
I genuinely had very strong feelings for her. I take
marriage and engagements very seriously, of course, and I felt
lucky as hell man that she was there and accepted.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Who was I was trying to think, who is number
two in that season? Was Chantal Yeah, which I was
trying to think of the others. The other stars on
that season was Michelle.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Money, Michelle Man my favorite human beings me too.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yah, that's right. I remember what were we in Costa Rica?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We went to Costa Rica.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think you said goodbye to Michelle was in Coasta
Rica exactly. We were in the r and All region
of Costa Rica, down where the volcano was blowing up.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Is she happy, Michelle?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh my gosh, so so she? Uh was going to
just kind of be a life partner with Mike we
or the golfer, but they ended up getting married. Good
for her, and so they are married, and her daughter
is healthy and fully recovered when she had her trauma.
And I talked to Michelle from time to time, and
obviously I'm a huge golf fan, so I keep in touch.
And she is as explosive and phenomenal and charismatic as
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she was when she was on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's funny. And I hope she listens to this because
I get asked about her more than anybody. Yeah, and
is she really like that? And I can't sing her
praises enough because one I love when people are just authentic.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, she is very real, you know, like when
you what you get with what you see with money
is what you get with money.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes you do. And and beautiful, I mean strikingly gorgeous woman.
And I think she owns that a little bit. I
kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, she walks the walk, so yes she does.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So anyway, I'm glad she's happy.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, her and Mike are doing great. And I saw
her out there my son was playing on the cross
room as pre college, and we swung by and actually
went to their house because we were going to the
airport and we're all sweaty and nasty. We actually went
to her Mike's house to shower up, I have lunch,
and then we went to the airport. But I keep
in touch with her and she's doing really well. Try
to think who other because there was that was a
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star studded show.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Ashley both Ashley's were is it a bear? And yes,
Ashley Abart Spivey's Spivey. Yes, I've heard Ashley Spivey doesn't
like me. I mean, I don't even pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Who also went on to be our bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, that was a I was trying. There's certain seasons
that produced stars, sure, just all stars for one reason
or another. And for that season to to have produced
two bachelorettes and stars that went on to Paradise and
Summer Games and all these things. We did all the
incarnations of the show. So you know, you may not
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have found love, but you gave us a lot of stars.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I found love. It just didn't work out, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And so you left the show engaged.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, I did. And I'm proud to say that, you know.
And and Emily was a great addition to my life.
And and you know, great, I guess I hate to
say experience. I don't know that it is a chapter.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It was a chapter of your life, perfect way to
put it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know, I have literally no regrets on that,
and you know, it is what it is. We're definitely
two different people and and so you learn that, you know,
when you.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Go and like Michelle Money, I mean, Emily is I
mean married and children do it. She's just crushing it
and happy. She just be adore her too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm glad she's doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Man and Ashley a bear as well. It's it's funny,
you know, I keep in touch, especially back then the
you know, the people that came off the show. It's
like we just all got closer at the time. We
spent a lot of intimate time together. Of course, you know,
the show got more professional as we went on, but
that also kind of detached us in a way from
some emotions and connections of relationships that we built on
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the show. But famously, obviously you and Emily didn't work
out what has life been like kind of post show?
You you obviously had the bars here in Austin. That
was amazingly successful. You opened some in Houston, you opened
bar in Nashville. You and your brother, your partner's created
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an amazing business. But what about love. I've known, and
I hopefully I'm okay to out you. I know you've
dated a couple of times. Of course, you've had some
serious relationships, of course, but as far as I know,
nothing stuck.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No, no, nothing. So well, you know, so I dated
a girl for about seven years, you know, after Emily,
and it's one of those things that things just kind
of fizzled unfort It's just one of those things. I mean,
madly in love with a woman at the time, and
you know, you just move on. Right now, I'm kind
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of laying low. You know. It's and I'll tell you
why it's. You mentioned the bars, and I know I
mentioned this when I got here. But you know, we
just recently sold our company. And while that's really exciting,
I'm in the biggest transition of my life. Man.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'd moved to Nashville to kind of we're going to
expand out there, and then decided maybe this isn't the
road we want to go down. And so and when
I say we my business partner's fat. But anyway, and
so there's nothing for me in Nashville, So now I'm
moving back. So bottom line is it's really really hard, yea,
to even ask a girl on a date when I
don't have a home to go to, you know, I mean,
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I'm staying with my brother right now. I'm looking for
a home in Austin.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Trying to figure out, you know, what's next in life?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, this is a it's you. You're an interesting point
in your life. I mean, you're you know, you and
I are both just on the other side of fifty, yes, sir,
And which is an interesting time anyway, is when you
really take stock in your life and you get kind
of reflective and you think, Okay, what do I want
for the back nine of life?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And you have just especially when you have a major
cash event, you've cashed out whatever that means. It could
be good, bad, whatever. You've hit two pivotal moments in
your life, sure, turning fifty and then getting out of
your business. Now you have to decide what is that?
What does it look like now? What is what is
the why? What's the how?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The purpose? You know, and we you and I discussed
purpose a long time ago, right and and frankly, and
you know, my biggest purpose is work. I don't know why.
I've always been that way, and so now I'm kind
of lost a little bit. I've recently joined a new
company and I'm really excited about that. It's so you're
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working again, I am. I just started last week. And man,
it's I know, I can't help it. Man, it's but
I believe in this company. It's you know, and and
I don't know if I have the capacity or whatever
to describe it. I don't want to bore your listeners
or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
In general, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'll tell you. It's it's called the Collective. It's here
in Austin, but we're expanding nationwide. It's a social performance club.
And what that is. It's state of the art training facility.
We have an athletic recovery lounge, we have a co
working space, we have a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Wait, is this the one that's in downtown Austin.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, And I'm trying to get you and Lauren in there.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Dude, I have heard about this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's a good deal.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But every professional athlete, yes, within a thousand miles of
here goes there.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I'm glad you're I'm glad you're bringing that up
because I'm trying to be humble.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Dude, I've so this is crazy. I had no idea
you were involved in this. I've had several people, professional athletes,
tell me you have to go it's I think it's
it's downtown Austin, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So there's two locations. The one my office out of
is on South Congress, right behind St. Celia, and then
we have a location up north. But yeah, so, but
I mean, you would love it. Our our membership base,
and it doesn't it's not all professional athletes. It's every guy,
every day guys like me. But I want to bring
up something important. We also have a full blown medical
practice within the facility, okay, And what that means is,
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you know, peptides are all the reasons now and all
of that, and so we do all of that. You
can get your blood work done, and so I really
believe in the expansion of the business.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's amazing. So yeah, man, Well Jesus you're a walking billboard.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well I appreciate you if.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You've always been built like a brick out house, but
I appreciate it we're on the other side of fifty
now and it's not that easy to look like that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now. Well, I'm trying. We just discussed I'm single, but
somewhat perpetually. I need to keep up, you know, with
all the cool kids.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, congratulations on that. And by the way, the collective,
I love that you guys are expanding, and I will
come see it because I've heard amazing things. So you're
diving into that, sure, which I get. And by the way,
you can't stop what you love to do. And if
work is something that's passionate to you, it is you
should continue that passion.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Thank you man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You can only go play so much pickleball or off
or whatever it's. You've got to keep your mind active,
and you're good at it, clearly.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Thank you man. Well, that's the thing about it. It's
you know, I'll be really honest. I think, like anybody,
when we were going through our exit for the business,
I'm gonna admit this to you. I mean I was
looking at retiring, I mean homes in the mountains and
here's my chance. I'm out, buddy, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well this is you know, go all.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was gonna say, careful what you wish for because
I sat on my butt for about a month and
I went out of my mind. Yeah, and I could
not be happier with the leaders, the CEO and founders
of Collective. I know those guys are really good dudes,
and just said, hey, that's awesome. I think you can
add value to us. Yeah, And so I jumped right
in and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I'll crack the door on you know, my own situation. Yeah, please, Well,
because I went through something very similar. I was, you
know when I left the show a few years ago,
even though it was tumultuous and it made your first
season look really tame.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sure, surely imagine.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But with that said, you know, I had gotten to
the point in my life where I was fine, And
of course I thought there was a moment, a brief
moment where I thought, Okay, you can be done. Do
you want to be done? You know? Do you want
to just question with social media? With everything going on?
Do you know family is the most important thing to me?
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And I was already falling in love with and in
love with Lauren, saw a life there and was working
really hard on that. My kids are older and I'm
coming close to being an empty nester. Do you just
hang it up? And you know, like you said, go
find that place in the mountains or go down to
Cabo And And I spent a little time post divorce
(22:55):
from the show and allowed myself to heal, allowed myself
to feel that, and I quickly realized I can't do
that either.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Oh I know you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I can't. I just couldn't walk away and do nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Sure, yeah, that's not who you are. And I want
to jump in on something, turn it on you. Yes,
So I'm not taking over your podcast. I'd be a disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's no rules here.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Two things, well, actually three. The first thing, I think
that's the best thing that ever happened to you. Man. One.
I think you are that franchise period. You are the show.
Everyone knows it. And I'm not going to get into
my feelings of of right or wrong, but that was
the best thing that happened to you. You and l
Z I'm talking after everything. Yeah, I've never seen two
(23:41):
people that are so meant to be with each other.
When I had dinner with you guys, yeah, I was
in awe. I mean, you're finishing each other's sentences kind
of nauseating. You're yeah, I mean you you both are
just so full of love and respect for each other.
So that's one another great thing that happened. And also
heard through the grapevine that you're getting back into production
(24:04):
a reality dating show. I mean, you can't stay away,
this is what I've heard. But yeah, I mean look
at you, man. You you are a producer, right, I
mean you produce and you work, and so I could
have told you weren't going to hang it up. I mean,
that's just not you. There was saying I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, we're involved. Thank you, by the way, thank you
for all the accolades, and you love You're right, Lauren
is easily the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.
She is God. She's such a treasure and on so
many levels. And we had the dinner with you. We
went to Uchi, one of our favorite joints here at Austin.
Tyson Cole gave you a shout out, but not that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He needs it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You can't get in there, man. Yeah, trients money. But
and I've gotten to know him, by the way, great Kally,
really interesting guy, unbelievably fascinating. But that dinner I remember
that vividly, and we were still fairly new at the time.
I don't think we're even engaged. And I was so
excited for you to meet her, because yeah, she's just
(24:57):
such a jewel in my life. And she was kind
of of the impetus for hey, you're not even close
to done. But of course, let's get your ship back together.
And so we uh, you know, and talk about your
first point. The greatest thing that ever happened to me.
You know, blessings and gifts from God and you know,
answered prayers and all that. They don't always come in
(25:17):
a box, you know, with a bow under it, under
the tree. You know, it's never how you ask for it, right,
but they show up in your life just the same.
And I did need a a an event in my
life to get me out of one thing and get
me to the next, because complacency, whatever you call it.
(25:38):
I was comfortable. I was working. You know, you're making
a lot of money. Life is good. Why are you
going to upset the apple cart? You know?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Also pick you're loyal man, and well.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That's a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And and and sometimes to your own fault, I think
you're loyal. Well, but I know for sure I'm saying it.
You don't have to thank you, but no I do.
And I'm glad you see that. But yeah, it's not
like you to walk away from anything. And yeah, best
thing that could ever happen to you. Man.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I I totally agree with you. And it just takes
you a minute to kind of see that from the
thirty thousand foot level that everybody else sees it. And
you were. And by the way, uh, to credit you,
You've always been a dear friend, one of the first
people to reach out to me and just say I
love you, I'm here if you need me, if you
need to escape, I'm here, you know, come in and
(26:30):
take over my house again. Sure, but I appreciate the
fact that you never question, never just were there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh man, well of course you're you're my friend.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, And so I always was grateful for that,
and Lauren quickly realized, oh this is a good man.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh well, well, I appreciate that, man. But back to her,
and let's sing her praises again.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, we're sitting below all her Emmy awardins. I know, right,
But the house that Lauren built.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I don't waste too much time. But It's a real
good feeling to see two people that are just meant
and and John.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
We were so bummed you could know. So you weren't
at our wedding. Yeah, clearly you were invited. You had
an unfortunate event and you were at a funeral, man, unfortunate,
but I'm glad you were there. Yeah, but we missed you, man,
because it just wasn't the same without you here in Austin.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know what's so funny is I I listened to
one of your podcasts that you were going over, just
kind of recapping, right, and and all that's fun. It's more,
I'm really sorry I couldn't support my friend. I just
wanted to see because that's such a big moment with
l Z in particular. Yeah, you know, you'd gotten to
(27:38):
know her, of course, but just seeing you guys so happy,
and then, let's face it, man, I'll admit I would
have loved to have met some of the people from
the past.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, they would have loved you too.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, well that's yet to be determined.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But you know, we had a little little cocktail party
here at the house the night before, and like you know,
it was like thirty or forty of us. It was
just our kind of tight knit group and obviously you
would have been there to meet everybody. That was a
really cool night because it's where kind of old school
met new school and everybody kind of crossed over and
it was a really special, like intense, emotional night. But
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you know the fact that Lauren and I have moved on,
created this new endeavor with Merritt Street Media, which is
on the air now with doctor Phil.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I've heard this, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Having just having doctor Phil come in my life, sure
and is and you know, I have to give his
wife credit as well, Robin, who's amazing and they're friends
of ours now, Like what a treasure like. And that
wouldn't have happened if I hadn't left there, you go,
if if that moment didn't happen, that jarring, tumultuous time
led to this incredible endeavor that we've created now here
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in Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So what more could you ask for me?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Nothing like nothing? I have the woman in my dreams.
We're starting this incredible blank slate of a production right
that we can do what we want and throw it
against the wall and have a proponent in our corner
like doctor Phil. Uh I guess the only question is
are you ready for a third time?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Let's go?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, who knows, man, we are doing a reality show
about love.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'll tell you this, buddy. I've learned never to say never,
you know. But I also know my lane and when
to stay in it, my limits I do, buddy. I
I maybe the geriatric version of whatever dating show. But no, man,
I mean never say never. Who knows. But back to you,
I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I appreciate that one always feel in your love and
those that were a part of the show that understood,
and there were there were those inside the show or
who had been inside the show that I know what
really happened, and they know what really goes on and
what really went on behind the scenes that led to it.
I always appreciated their silent support and love and that
(29:52):
that meant the most to me. I bet so, and
you were a part of that. And I'm afre I
will always be grateful and and and to move on
is yeah, it's I'm I'm I know the chapter you're
in right now because we're in the same chapter, and
I get it. I I've never been more excited. Yeah, man,
maybe because we don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's the thing. That's that's such a good point, you know.
That's another thing. Chad and I both promised ourselves that
anything that we do after this, we're going to absolutely
love it, and I mean love it. And and thank
god I found that and you know, we'll see and
obviously you did too. But life's short, man, it is.
(30:32):
I mean, life's really short.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's you know, my mom is a great saying. She
says life is too short, but it's equally too long
to be miserable.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, and that's there you go.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know, and whether that's your marriage or a toxic
relationship or a bad business or whatever. And honestly, that
was my whole thing with Lauren and falling in love
and marrying her. It's not that I had to get
married the first time, but I was young, and it's
what you do, right, you're checking off boxes. And I
did marry a very fine woman who became a good
and all that. But with Lauren, I didn't have to
(31:04):
do that. Yeah, she didn't have to do that. Yeah,
she had been married before, and I had been married before.
I have kids. I didn't need to. It's that I
wanted to with my whole heart and being It's like
I got to that point in life where I'm like,
I want to do this with you. I want to
be life with you. And so when you are free
and uninhibited like that, man, it's powerful. Well now you're
(31:28):
just bragging, man, but I feel like, let me But
I feel like that in my business life too and
doing it. And by the way, I'm doing it well
with Lauren, and you're going to do it as well
with the collective or you know, whatever it leads to. Sure,
you're going to do it because you want to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well that's the thing I love about you, guys, I
mean an absolute power couple and you can share creativity
and all that you know. And so keep plugging through
or pushing forward because you guys are doing some big things.
So let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I just I'm curious because I have pondered this and
I've I've talked about this with many people. Oh, and
I just want to know from you, like, why do
you think you haven't found true love?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Oh that's a good question. Man. You know I'm allowed
to deal with you know I'm not the most nurturing guy.
But but again, back to work, man, we really did work.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You are a nurturing guy.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, thank you, I appreciate it's such a nurture Okay,
I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Do you think it's just timing like and just things
haven't like it's because it's not like you haven't been
in serious relationships. It's just you commit seven years and
then seven years go by, and then you commit five
years and then five years go by. Is it just
a timing thing?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And maybe maybe you know something? I'll admit one thing
I am really I find immense solace and soliditude, and
so I find that sometimes if I'm in a very
serious relationship, I produce, if that makes sense, And you
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know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And so well, because you you you dive in one
hundred percent to that relationship.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, I'm so concerned about her well being. Okay, you know,
And and it's soud should be it sound should right,
But I tend to I'm really comfortable being alone, I
mean really comfortable being alone. And so and a lot
of times, especially a partner that you are in love
with doesn't see about you in alone time.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, you need someone who is fiercely independent. And because
I don't think to you, well, I don't think to
your degree. But I like I like being alone, do
you Yeah? I like my time alone because I spent
so much time alone, you know, for twenty years when
I was traveling with the show. Yeah, I was alone.
Like when we're in South Africa and you're all looking
(33:51):
at elephants or whatever. I was at that Sabby Sands
resort by myself.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's a great point for a week, Yeah, great point
in the.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Middle of effing nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I would see a couple of people from the crew whatever.
But it was a I had to really learn to
be alone, and that's a good skill to have. Yeah,
but you've got to be careful because, like you said,
it could take over your life, and it can. You
can almost want that and need it so much that
you rail against finding companionship.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Maybe that's it, man, you are a therapist. I love this.
I needed this, But no, I think you hit the
nail on the head. And I'm beginning to learn a
little bit that you know, I do. I value relationships
immensely and frankly, I want a relationship badly, you know,
and one that's permanent, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And I think you need someone like Lauren, Like Lauren's
great because for many reasons, but one of the things
she does. She has a very badass group of girlfriends.
They have been friends, best friends since college. They take
these girls trips and they talk, or she'll just up
and leave and go see her mom in Chicago or
her sister in Florida or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
She just goes.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, she's like and she's like, I need time away
from you too. I like that, like that, you know,
within the house. Sometimes she's like, I need a Bravo night.
I'm gonna go just watch Bravo and like like, stay away.
I love it, and I know to go into the
other side of the house. Sure, you know, I'll watch
golf channel. Sure, I think that is important.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Maybe so I think you.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Need somebody who understands to love fiercely and intensely. But
it's more about quality than quantity, and that, you know,
Brad Womack needs some time, go work, go do your thing. Sure,
when I do get you, I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh, man, I give That's one thing I can say.
I give one hundred percent of myself when we're when
the time comes. Obviously, you know, I don't know, man,
I've obviously been asking question a lot. I promise nothing
is too strange up there, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But that's the thing is, I know there's not like
I know, you're a great guy. I mean look at you.
You're still you know, a handsome devil come and that
that's all there. And I know that deep down there
is this I always say with braggo because a lot
of people have asked me because you're you're one of
my big conundrum in life where it's like I'm like
(36:07):
grabbing these two extensions extension cords and they're like so
close to plugging in. I'm like, I just can't quite
figure out, like why this amazing, dude. But life's funny
and love's funny like that.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It is it is, and maybe maybe you hit the
nail on the head. I just need to find someone
that's and when I say fiercely independent, yeah that doesn't
need or expect a text every hour or something. I
mean we're all doing our thing and I'm damn sure
not sleeping around chea. I've never cheated or anything, you know,
And so you know all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And someone who can trust and understand go live your life.
And that's I think that is uh, that is out there,
and that's an important thing when you go into that
next relationship to define it as such and not put
the cart before the horse to where you all dive
in and you show this one life but need another.
(36:57):
It's almost like when you get into this life, it's like, hey,
these I needed to define at fifty two, fifty one
years old. I need to just define the kind of
relationship I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
There you go, Yeah, you're going to see an application
come through for your reality show five minutes after I
leave here. We got this, why not, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But I'm excited you're moving back to Austin.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Man, Thank you. Man. If you need.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
A place to stay in the meantime, if Chad kicks
you out, you know, I got an ext.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Chair for you. Careful what you wish for? Oh you?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If you know your brand.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Not at all? But well I know your son's coming
back home. Congratulations, Thank you a way. Yeah, and seems
like your family man, just some really highly motivated people.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
We're in a good season right now.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I always say life is full of seasons. Yes, sir,
there are good ones, there are bad ones. We will
all have bad ones. Lord knows. We're in a good
season right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I like it for you, man, knock on what Yeah,
that will too, But.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
That and just when when you're in a good season,
you just got to enjoy it, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I agree with you. Well, hopefully, man, when I'm back permanently,
I'd love to take you and Lauren to dinner or something.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know it's going to happen. Thank you, my friend. Yeah,
of course, thank you for everything.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You kidding me. I mean, it's just I said this
to you before we got on here. I'm going to
say this publicly that if you asked me to do something,
I'm going to do it because I know it comes
from a great place and I just want to hang
out with you. So good to see you, man.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most
Dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a
review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you
next time.
This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.
And this time I'm not alone. Well, I know sometimes
Lauren Zima is here with me, but I'm not alone
today because joining me again for his second episode is
(00:21):
former Bachelor times too. Brad Womack. How you doing, Bud?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Doing great? And thank you for having me. Man. We
always good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I welcomed you into my home because a You're a
good friend, You're a good man. We have kept in
touch over the years, which I am so grateful for,
and you live here in Austin. Kind of I think,
honestly that's a weird one is that I don't know
the answer to that I got and maybe you don't
know the answer to that either. We're going to get
to that in a little bit. But you're nice enough
to drive across town and join me here at the
(00:50):
house today. You were the Bachelor twice, the only person
in the history of the show two decades that was
the Bachelor two times, and so we had to do
a double episode with you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I appreciate that very much. I'm just glad to be
here with you man. I like hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And if you missed episode one with Brad, go back
and listen to it. Holy cal there were some fireworks,
breaking news stories. Yeah. So it was two thousand and
seven when you were the Bachelor for the first time,
and obviously famously you had walked away. You didn't choose anybody,
but while you kind of got hammered a little bit
for it, at some point, like a year or so
(01:28):
down the road, there was an emotional shift in the
country towards Brad Womack. I felt it. Did you feel
it all of a sudden people forgave and loved you again?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah? But you know, I can very happily say that
I did feel that for whatever reason, and I'm grateful
for it. To anyone listening that is on the positive trajectory,
so to speak, thank you. I needed that. But yeah,
I did feel that, and it felt damn good.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I think, if I were to guess, being the psychiatrist
I am for the country, you stayed true to yourself.
You never wavered, You never gave in to say things
that would have made you popular or taken the heat
off at the time. You took it all. And I
think owning up to it was big, but also be
I think people realized after a few more seasons of
(02:16):
kind of fake proposals and breakups, they saw you and said,
maybe he was the most real we ever had. Oh well,
and I think there was a respect factor of I
do like this guy, and that was the most emotionally
intelligent thing to do.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thank you, man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
There was this ground swell of support that brought you
back into the good graces of everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I appreciate that. I did feel it was and it
was so welcome, man. I mean we discussed it first
episode that that was a really rough time after the
first season and so, and we discussed I care what
people think about me, and so, Yeah, it feels really
good to feel that. I guess the tides turned, so
to speak.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But there had to be a bit of a sour
taste with how you had left, not just not the show,
but production because that final day, if you if you
heard in the first episode it was contentious. Sure, it
was brutal. They really went after you and in a
not so nice way. Sure what made you want to
(03:19):
want to not just do the show but get back
in bed with them again?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sure, you know, I think I don't judge anybody on
this earth for one or two interactions, right, I mean,
I just don't. And you know, you have to realize,
or I have to realize. You know, that show is
a machine. There's a lot of production value behind it.
(03:44):
There's a lot of money behind it, you know, and
I'm sure ratings for one season depend on budget for
this next. All of the interesting. So if I in
any way disrupted that, I can understand the anger.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But you didn't. I mean, your show is highly rated,
thank you, sir, But the only reason you were invited
back to the party is the first party has to
be a success. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love the honesty.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They don't do things out of the kindness of their heart.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, they don't. I've learned that. But okay, so well
that's well said. But maybe it was the unknown. I
don't know. But bottom line is, I really don't. I mean,
I like to give people room to be who they are,
meaning we all react. I mean, you've seen me react
very angrily at times, and hopefully that's not, you know,
a soul telling sign of my character, you know. And
(04:34):
so anyway, but the reason I wanted to jump back in,
I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. I
believe in the show. I do call me a hopeless romantic,
but I genuinely believe in that show, or I at
least believe that you can meet somebody no matter where
you're at, and she might be the one or he
might be the one.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And so it's twenty ten or three years later, yes, sir,
and we come back full circle and bring back Brad Walmack.
And this is a very popular choice by now. Off screen,
you and I are very good friends. We've hung out
several times. I think. I think it was after when
I was actually dating somebody from Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
When I didn't want to bring that up.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You bring it up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We don't have to say who it was. I came
to town and I called you, and I just was
going to go to dinner or whatever and see you
as I always did when I came into Austin and
you said, no, no, man, come and stay at my place.
Of course, man, you let us move into your place.
Sure for a whole year. And here's the best part.
You had this spectacular two or three bedroom condo and
(05:37):
you know it's amazing. So we get there and I
assume we're going to be staying with you. You left,
of course, you packed up, and You're like, I'm gonna
go stay with my brother Chad. And I'm like, dude,
you don't. I'm not kicking you out of your house.
But this is the kind of guy Brad is. He
leaves and gives me the keys to his condo for
the weekend. What you're just You're such a good guy.
(05:59):
It was unreal. And the other thing that really blew
me away, and I didn't finish the story in episode one. Yes,
you gave me a shirt and he gave me a
parting gift after the show. But there was another time
that I saw this guy and said, could this be real?
Is he really the nicest guy I've ever known? My
fortieth birthday remember that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, of course of course.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So my fortieth birthday, I came here with all my
family and friends to celebrate over on Lake Travis and
I rented a house and we know, we had the boats,
the jet skis were having a great time. We pull
up to the house and there's it's like, you know
this is it's actually kind of pre Airbnb. It's just
a rental shirt. So We're renting this house, and there's
somebody scurrying out of the house, and I'm like, son
(06:44):
of a bitch, like this thing's supposed to be empty,
and I'm trying to impress my friends and family. I
want this to be awesome. And somebody is here and
I'm like, what is going on? And I see this
person back, you know, coming out of the house. And
now look and we get closer, that's Brad. What that
Brad Womack could take it upon himself because he's a
bar owner. You had fully stocked the house. You brought
(07:07):
a whole bar and dropped it off at our house,
just set it up for my birthday, and was leaving
like a thief in the night because and luckily I
got to see you and give you a hug and sure,
thank you, And You're like, I don't want to stay.
I don't want to thank you. I just wanted you
to have a good time, Bud, and you took off. Sure,
we ended up seeing you for dinner later we came
into town. But to those stories were you know. That's
(07:31):
why you will always be one of my favorite human
beings to ever have been on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Thank you, man, You always.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Went above and beyond. It was never about you.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, thank you. Well, first of all, you're my friend
right period, and so friends made a lot to me,
but also you did a lot for me. And I
don't want to get too cheesy and stuff, but I'm
very grateful for the experiences that I've had. I'm grateful
for the friendships that I've made. And so, yeah, that
was a blip. I really appreciate you mentioning that. But
(08:03):
when I say that was a blip to me, it
was a gesture to say thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So yeah, that's all I.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Got why everybody loves Brad you do well because I
know there's a one offs, but you do that stuff
all the time and I know for a fact you
do and that's that's why we all love you. So
you go into twenty ten, say, and you are the
Bachelor again, And you said in episode one it wasn't
about redemption. You didn't need to clear your name because
you are beloved. Everybody loved you, even though we all
(08:32):
gave you a hard time. And I think some one
woman even slapped you on night one.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes she did kind of liked it, you know, it
showed fire. I mean, let's face it, it showed fire,
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So one of the producers obviously came up with the
idea that a woman would get out of the car
and slap Brad and said, you know, I think she
said this is for the whole country or.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So all the women across America. I think that's a
direct quote. And can I say something That woman did
not hold back.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, Oh, she gave you a legit, Slau.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
She rang my bell, Chris.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That's how the season started. Sure, and that was obviously
the famous season with Emily Maynard. Yeah, you were partially
and unfortunately maybe responsible for creating maybe our biggest Starmily Emily.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Sure you have one. No, that's self creation was.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
An absolute rock star. That is the season that where
we put her on the map. Was this sweet mom
and back then I think her daughter was only like
two or three years old at the time, I was
very young and she came on your show. And by
then we were traveling, Yes, we were, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(09:40):
And I forget where all we went, but I know
we ended up in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We did Anguilla, Cape Town.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
That's right. Oh my god, I swear to you. So
Lauren and I just did a auction for Experience Camps,
this amazing camp for people who have lost a significant
like a caretaker, a mom and dad, or a sibling.
And we auctioned off a trip to Anguilla. Did you,
and I said, Brad Womack season we were at the
Queens Art Resort.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To this day, the prettiest place I've ever seen was Yeah.
But back to Emily as far as her stardom so
to speak, yeah, I had absolutely nothing to do with
her light, that's her.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Just that was the season we introduced I Got You, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Got you, got you? Yes, She's just natural. Man, my gosh,
just a beautiful person inside and out.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just jumped off the screen. Yeah, man, there are some
people that just captivate you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Jojo was another one.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, you know, I've always wanted to meet her and and.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You guys are so similar because again Texas people, Her
and Jordan are amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I've heard this both of them. I want to meet
both of them. Let me clarify.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you meant. Jojo
and Jordan, Raven and Adam are another couple you got
to meet here that are just incredible. But Jojo was
another one where you just saw you like, she just
jumps off the screen. Yes, she does this thing about her.
But Emily Maynard was your final choice. You actually did
choose somebody in that season?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Did you feel the extra pressure coming towards the end
there to actually make that choice, because I know we
worried more about landing that plane as we called it
on the show, because you know, it's like the movie
Runaway Bride. It's like we've seen this before. Sure, is
he really going to pull the trigger?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I wanted this for you. I actually you know
by now we're friends, right and I really want you
to find love, and I thought it was happening.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Right well, I wanted it for me too, And you
know I can't lie and say I didn't feel any
pressure at all. Of Course I did. Yeah, of course
I did. But I'll tell you, man to man, I
wouldn't have chosen anybody if I didn't feel what I
felt for Emily. And what I felt for Emily at
that time for me was love. And and you know, people,
(11:55):
I'm sure there are scoffs going across the nation right
now right what I felt in that I felt like
I was in love with this woman, period, and so you.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Make decisions with the knowledge you have and the feelings
you have at the time. Of course, it's easy to
look back and be like, oh, that was crazy. You
know that first marriage was terrible. It's like at the time,
that's what we knew talking.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I didn't care about her because she dumps me.
Sorry for the laugh, but I'm getting it's uh No,
I genuinely had very strong feelings for her. I take
marriage and engagements very seriously, of course, and I felt
lucky as hell man that she was there and accepted.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Who was I was trying to think, who is number
two in that season? Was Chantal Yeah, which I was
trying to think of the others. The other stars on
that season was Michelle.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Money, Michelle Man my favorite human beings me too.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yah, that's right. I remember what were we in Costa Rica?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
We went to Costa Rica.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think you said goodbye to Michelle was in Coasta
Rica exactly. We were in the r and All region
of Costa Rica, down where the volcano was blowing up.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Is she happy, Michelle?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh my gosh, so so she? Uh was going to
just kind of be a life partner with Mike we
or the golfer, but they ended up getting married. Good
for her, and so they are married, and her daughter
is healthy and fully recovered when she had her trauma.
And I talked to Michelle from time to time, and
obviously I'm a huge golf fan, so I keep in touch.
And she is as explosive and phenomenal and charismatic as
(13:43):
she was when she was on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's funny. And I hope she listens to this because
I get asked about her more than anybody. Yeah, and
is she really like that? And I can't sing her
praises enough because one I love when people are just authentic.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, she is very real, you know, like when
you what you get with what you see with money
is what you get with money.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes you do. And and beautiful, I mean strikingly gorgeous woman.
And I think she owns that a little bit. I
kind of like it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, she walks the walk, so yes she does.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So anyway, I'm glad she's happy.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, her and Mike are doing great. And I saw
her out there my son was playing on the cross
room as pre college, and we swung by and actually
went to their house because we were going to the
airport and we're all sweaty and nasty. We actually went
to her Mike's house to shower up, I have lunch,
and then we went to the airport. But I keep
in touch with her and she's doing really well. Try
to think who other because there was that was a
(14:32):
star studded show.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Ashley both Ashley's were is it a bear? And yes,
Ashley Abart Spivey's Spivey. Yes, I've heard Ashley Spivey doesn't
like me. I mean, I don't even pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Who also went on to be our bachelorette.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, that was a I was trying. There's certain seasons
that produced stars, sure, just all stars for one reason
or another. And for that season to to have produced
two bachelorettes and stars that went on to Paradise and
Summer Games and all these things. We did all the
incarnations of the show. So you know, you may not
(15:10):
have found love, but you gave us a lot of stars.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I found love. It just didn't work out, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And so you left the show engaged.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, I did. And I'm proud to say that, you know.
And and Emily was a great addition to my life.
And and you know, great, I guess I hate to
say experience. I don't know that it is a chapter.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It was a chapter of your life, perfect way to
put it.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you know, I have literally no regrets on that,
and you know, it is what it is. We're definitely
two different people and and so you learn that, you know,
when you.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Go and like Michelle Money, I mean, Emily is I
mean married and children do it. She's just crushing it
and happy. She just be adore her too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm glad she's doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Man and Ashley a bear as well. It's it's funny,
you know, I keep in touch, especially back then the
you know, the people that came off the show. It's
like we just all got closer at the time. We
spent a lot of intimate time together. Of course, you know,
the show got more professional as we went on, but
that also kind of detached us in a way from
some emotions and connections of relationships that we built on
(16:15):
the show. But famously, obviously you and Emily didn't work
out what has life been like kind of post show?
You you obviously had the bars here in Austin. That
was amazingly successful. You opened some in Houston, you opened
bar in Nashville. You and your brother, your partner's created
(16:36):
an amazing business. But what about love. I've known, and
I hopefully I'm okay to out you. I know you've
dated a couple of times. Of course, you've had some
serious relationships, of course, but as far as I know,
nothing stuck.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No, no, nothing. So well, you know, so I dated
a girl for about seven years, you know, after Emily,
and it's one of those things that things just kind
of fizzled unfort It's just one of those things. I mean,
madly in love with a woman at the time, and
you know, you just move on. Right now, I'm kind
(17:10):
of laying low. You know. It's and I'll tell you
why it's. You mentioned the bars, and I know I
mentioned this when I got here. But you know, we
just recently sold our company. And while that's really exciting,
I'm in the biggest transition of my life. Man.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'd moved to Nashville to kind of we're going to
expand out there, and then decided maybe this isn't the
road we want to go down. And so and when
I say we my business partner's fat. But anyway, and
so there's nothing for me in Nashville, So now I'm
moving back. So bottom line is it's really really hard, yea,
to even ask a girl on a date when I
don't have a home to go to, you know, I mean,
(17:44):
I'm staying with my brother right now. I'm looking for
a home in Austin.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Trying to figure out, you know, what's next in life?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, this is a it's you. You're an interesting point
in your life. I mean, you're you know, you and
I are both just on the other side of fifty, yes, sir,
And which is an interesting time anyway, is when you
really take stock in your life and you get kind
of reflective and you think, Okay, what do I want
for the back nine of life?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And you have just especially when you have a major
cash event, you've cashed out whatever that means. It could
be good, bad, whatever. You've hit two pivotal moments in
your life, sure, turning fifty and then getting out of
your business. Now you have to decide what is that?
What does it look like now? What is what is
the why? What's the how?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
The purpose? You know, and we you and I discussed
purpose a long time ago, right and and frankly, and
you know, my biggest purpose is work. I don't know why.
I've always been that way, and so now I'm kind
of lost a little bit. I've recently joined a new
company and I'm really excited about that. It's so you're
(18:50):
working again, I am. I just started last week. And man,
it's I know, I can't help it. Man, it's but
I believe in this company. It's you know, and and
I don't know if I have the capacity or whatever
to describe it. I don't want to bore your listeners
or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
In general, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'll tell you. It's it's called the Collective. It's here
in Austin, but we're expanding nationwide. It's a social performance club.
And what that is. It's state of the art training facility.
We have an athletic recovery lounge, we have a co
working space, we have a.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Wait, is this the one that's in downtown Austin.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, And I'm trying to get you and Lauren in there.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Dude, I have heard about this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's a good deal.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But every professional athlete, yes, within a thousand miles of
here goes there.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I'm glad you're I'm glad you're bringing that up
because I'm trying to be humble.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Dude, I've so this is crazy. I had no idea
you were involved in this. I've had several people, professional athletes,
tell me you have to go it's I think it's
it's downtown Austin, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So there's two locations. The one my office out of
is on South Congress, right behind St. Celia, and then
we have a location up north. But yeah, so, but
I mean, you would love it. Our our membership base,
and it doesn't it's not all professional athletes. It's every guy,
every day guys like me. But I want to bring
up something important. We also have a full blown medical
practice within the facility, okay, And what that means is,
(20:12):
you know, peptides are all the reasons now and all
of that, and so we do all of that. You
can get your blood work done, and so I really
believe in the expansion of the business.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's amazing. So yeah, man, Well Jesus you're a walking billboard.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well I appreciate you if.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You've always been built like a brick out house, but
I appreciate it we're on the other side of fifty
now and it's not that easy to look like that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now. Well, I'm trying. We just discussed I'm single, but
somewhat perpetually. I need to keep up, you know, with
all the cool kids.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, congratulations on that. And by the way, the collective,
I love that you guys are expanding, and I will
come see it because I've heard amazing things. So you're
diving into that, sure, which I get. And by the way,
you can't stop what you love to do. And if
work is something that's passionate to you, it is you
should continue that passion.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Thank you man.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You can only go play so much pickleball or off
or whatever it's. You've got to keep your mind active,
and you're good at it, clearly.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Thank you man. Well, that's the thing about it. It's
you know, I'll be really honest. I think, like anybody,
when we were going through our exit for the business,
I'm gonna admit this to you. I mean I was
looking at retiring, I mean homes in the mountains and
here's my chance. I'm out, buddy, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well this is you know, go all.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was gonna say, careful what you wish for because
I sat on my butt for about a month and
I went out of my mind. Yeah, and I could
not be happier with the leaders, the CEO and founders
of Collective. I know those guys are really good dudes,
and just said, hey, that's awesome. I think you can
add value to us. Yeah, And so I jumped right
in and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So I'll crack the door on you know, my own situation. Yeah, please, Well,
because I went through something very similar. I was, you
know when I left the show a few years ago,
even though it was tumultuous and it made your first
season look really tame.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sure, surely imagine.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But with that said, you know, I had gotten to
the point in my life where I was fine, And
of course I thought there was a moment, a brief
moment where I thought, Okay, you can be done. Do
you want to be done? You know? Do you want
to just question with social media? With everything going on?
Do you know family is the most important thing to me?
(22:34):
And I was already falling in love with and in
love with Lauren, saw a life there and was working
really hard on that. My kids are older and I'm
coming close to being an empty nester. Do you just
hang it up? And you know, like you said, go
find that place in the mountains or go down to
Cabo And And I spent a little time post divorce
(22:55):
from the show and allowed myself to heal, allowed myself
to feel that, and I quickly realized I can't do
that either.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Oh I know you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I can't. I just couldn't walk away and do nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Sure, yeah, that's not who you are. And I want
to jump in on something, turn it on you. Yes,
So I'm not taking over your podcast. I'd be a disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's no rules here.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Two things, well, actually three. The first thing, I think
that's the best thing that ever happened to you. Man. One.
I think you are that franchise period. You are the show.
Everyone knows it. And I'm not going to get into
my feelings of of right or wrong, but that was
the best thing that happened to you. You and l
Z I'm talking after everything. Yeah, I've never seen two
(23:41):
people that are so meant to be with each other.
When I had dinner with you guys, yeah, I was
in awe. I mean, you're finishing each other's sentences kind
of nauseating. You're yeah, I mean you you both are
just so full of love and respect for each other.
So that's one another great thing that happened. And also
heard through the grapevine that you're getting back into production
(24:04):
a reality dating show. I mean, you can't stay away,
this is what I've heard. But yeah, I mean look
at you, man. You you are a producer, right, I
mean you produce and you work, and so I could
have told you weren't going to hang it up. I mean,
that's just not you. There was saying I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, we're involved. Thank you, by the way, thank you
for all the accolades, and you love You're right, Lauren
is easily the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.
She is God. She's such a treasure and on so
many levels. And we had the dinner with you. We
went to Uchi, one of our favorite joints here at Austin.
Tyson Cole gave you a shout out, but not that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He needs it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You can't get in there, man. Yeah, trients money. But
and I've gotten to know him, by the way, great Kally,
really interesting guy, unbelievably fascinating. But that dinner I remember
that vividly, and we were still fairly new at the time.
I don't think we're even engaged. And I was so
excited for you to meet her, because yeah, she's just
(24:57):
such a jewel in my life. And she was kind
of of the impetus for hey, you're not even close
to done. But of course, let's get your ship back together.
And so we uh, you know, and talk about your
first point. The greatest thing that ever happened to me.
You know, blessings and gifts from God and you know,
answered prayers and all that. They don't always come in
(25:17):
a box, you know, with a bow under it, under
the tree. You know, it's never how you ask for it, right,
but they show up in your life just the same.
And I did need a a an event in my
life to get me out of one thing and get
me to the next, because complacency, whatever you call it.
(25:38):
I was comfortable. I was working. You know, you're making
a lot of money. Life is good. Why are you
going to upset the apple cart? You know?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Also pick you're loyal man, and well.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That's a big part of it.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And and and sometimes to your own fault, I think
you're loyal. Well, but I know for sure I'm saying it.
You don't have to thank you, but no I do.
And I'm glad you see that. But yeah, it's not
like you to walk away from anything. And yeah, best
thing that could ever happen to you. Man.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I I totally agree with you. And it just takes
you a minute to kind of see that from the
thirty thousand foot level that everybody else sees it. And
you were. And by the way, uh, to credit you,
You've always been a dear friend, one of the first
people to reach out to me and just say I
love you, I'm here if you need me, if you
need to escape, I'm here, you know, come in and
(26:30):
take over my house again. Sure, but I appreciate the
fact that you never question, never just were there.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh man, well of course you're you're my friend.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, And so I always was grateful for that,
and Lauren quickly realized, oh this is a good man.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh well, well, I appreciate that, man. But back to her,
and let's sing her praises again.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, we're sitting below all her Emmy awardins. I know, right,
But the house that Lauren built.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I don't waste too much time. But It's a real
good feeling to see two people that are just meant
and and John.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
We were so bummed you could know. So you weren't
at our wedding. Yeah, clearly you were invited. You had
an unfortunate event and you were at a funeral, man, unfortunate,
but I'm glad you were there. Yeah, but we missed you, man,
because it just wasn't the same without you here in Austin.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know what's so funny is I I listened to
one of your podcasts that you were going over, just
kind of recapping, right, and and all that's fun. It's more,
I'm really sorry I couldn't support my friend. I just
wanted to see because that's such a big moment with
l Z in particular. Yeah, you know, you'd gotten to
(27:38):
know her, of course, but just seeing you guys so happy,
and then, let's face it, man, I'll admit I would
have loved to have met some of the people from
the past.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, they would have loved you too.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, well that's yet to be determined.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But you know, we had a little little cocktail party
here at the house the night before, and like you know,
it was like thirty or forty of us. It was
just our kind of tight knit group and obviously you
would have been there to meet everybody. That was a
really cool night because it's where kind of old school
met new school and everybody kind of crossed over and
it was a really special, like intense, emotional night. But
(28:12):
you know the fact that Lauren and I have moved on,
created this new endeavor with Merritt Street Media, which is
on the air now with doctor Phil.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I've heard this, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Having just having doctor Phil come in my life, sure
and is and you know, I have to give his
wife credit as well, Robin, who's amazing and they're friends
of ours now, Like what a treasure like. And that
wouldn't have happened if I hadn't left there, you go,
if if that moment didn't happen, that jarring, tumultuous time
led to this incredible endeavor that we've created now here
(28:43):
in Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So what more could you ask for me?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Nothing like nothing? I have the woman in my dreams.
We're starting this incredible blank slate of a production right
that we can do what we want and throw it
against the wall and have a proponent in our corner
like doctor Phil. Uh I guess the only question is
are you ready for a third time?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Let's go?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, who knows, man, we are doing a reality show
about love.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'll tell you this, buddy. I've learned never to say never,
you know. But I also know my lane and when
to stay in it, my limits I do, buddy. I
I maybe the geriatric version of whatever dating show. But no, man,
I mean never say never. Who knows. But back to you,
I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I appreciate that one always feel in your love and
those that were a part of the show that understood,
and there were there were those inside the show or
who had been inside the show that I know what
really happened, and they know what really goes on and
what really went on behind the scenes that led to it.
I always appreciated their silent support and love and that
(29:52):
that meant the most to me. I bet so, and
you were a part of that. And I'm afre I
will always be grateful and and and to move on
is yeah, it's I'm I'm I know the chapter you're
in right now because we're in the same chapter, and
I get it. I I've never been more excited. Yeah, man,
maybe because we don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's the thing. That's that's such a good point, you know.
That's another thing. Chad and I both promised ourselves that
anything that we do after this, we're going to absolutely
love it, and I mean love it. And and thank
god I found that and you know, we'll see and
obviously you did too. But life's short, man, it is.
(30:32):
I mean, life's really short.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's you know, my mom is a great saying. She
says life is too short, but it's equally too long
to be miserable.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, and that's there you go.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know, and whether that's your marriage or a toxic
relationship or a bad business or whatever. And honestly, that
was my whole thing with Lauren and falling in love
and marrying her. It's not that I had to get
married the first time, but I was young, and it's
what you do, right, you're checking off boxes. And I
did marry a very fine woman who became a good
and all that. But with Lauren, I didn't have to
(31:04):
do that. Yeah, she didn't have to do that. Yeah,
she had been married before, and I had been married before.
I have kids. I didn't need to. It's that I
wanted to with my whole heart and being It's like
I got to that point in life where I'm like,
I want to do this with you. I want to
be life with you. And so when you are free
and uninhibited like that, man, it's powerful. Well now you're
(31:28):
just bragging, man, but I feel like, let me But
I feel like that in my business life too and
doing it. And by the way, I'm doing it well
with Lauren, and you're going to do it as well
with the collective or you know, whatever it leads to. Sure,
you're going to do it because you want to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well that's the thing I love about you, guys, I
mean an absolute power couple and you can share creativity
and all that you know. And so keep plugging through
or pushing forward because you guys are doing some big things.
So let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I just I'm curious because I have pondered this and
I've I've talked about this with many people. Oh, and
I just want to know from you, like, why do
you think you haven't found true love?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Oh that's a good question. Man. You know I'm allowed
to deal with you know I'm not the most nurturing guy.
But but again, back to work, man, we really did work.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You are a nurturing guy.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, thank you, I appreciate it's such a nurture Okay,
I'll take that.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Do you think it's just timing like and just things
haven't like it's because it's not like you haven't been
in serious relationships. It's just you commit seven years and
then seven years go by, and then you commit five
years and then five years go by. Is it just
a timing thing?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And maybe maybe you know something? I'll admit one thing
I am really I find immense solace and soliditude, and
so I find that sometimes if I'm in a very
serious relationship, I produce, if that makes sense, And you
(33:02):
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
And so well, because you you you dive in one
hundred percent to that relationship.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, I'm so concerned about her well being. Okay, you know,
And and it's soud should be it sound should right,
But I tend to I'm really comfortable being alone, I
mean really comfortable being alone. And so and a lot
of times, especially a partner that you are in love
with doesn't see about you in alone time.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, you need someone who is fiercely independent. And because
I don't think to you, well, I don't think to
your degree. But I like I like being alone, do
you Yeah? I like my time alone because I spent
so much time alone, you know, for twenty years when
I was traveling with the show. Yeah, I was alone.
Like when we're in South Africa and you're all looking
(33:51):
at elephants or whatever. I was at that Sabby Sands
resort by myself.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's a great point for a week, Yeah, great point
in the.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Middle of effing nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I would see a couple of people from the crew whatever.
But it was a I had to really learn to
be alone, and that's a good skill to have. Yeah,
but you've got to be careful because, like you said,
it could take over your life, and it can. You
can almost want that and need it so much that
you rail against finding companionship.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Maybe that's it, man, you are a therapist. I love this.
I needed this, But no, I think you hit the
nail on the head. And I'm beginning to learn a
little bit that you know, I do. I value relationships
immensely and frankly, I want a relationship badly, you know,
and one that's permanent, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And I think you need someone like Lauren, Like Lauren's
great because for many reasons, but one of the things
she does. She has a very badass group of girlfriends.
They have been friends, best friends since college. They take
these girls trips and they talk, or she'll just up
and leave and go see her mom in Chicago or
her sister in Florida or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
She just goes.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, she's like and she's like, I need time away
from you too. I like that, like that, you know,
within the house. Sometimes she's like, I need a Bravo night.
I'm gonna go just watch Bravo and like like, stay away.
I love it, and I know to go into the
other side of the house. Sure, you know, I'll watch
golf channel. Sure, I think that is important.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Maybe so I think you.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Need somebody who understands to love fiercely and intensely. But
it's more about quality than quantity, and that, you know,
Brad Womack needs some time, go work, go do your thing. Sure,
when I do get you, I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh, man, I give That's one thing I can say.
I give one hundred percent of myself when we're when
the time comes. Obviously, you know, I don't know, man,
I've obviously been asking question a lot. I promise nothing
is too strange up there, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
But that's the thing is, I know there's not like
I know, you're a great guy. I mean look at you.
You're still you know, a handsome devil come and that
that's all there. And I know that deep down there
is this I always say with braggo because a lot
of people have asked me because you're you're one of
my big conundrum in life where it's like I'm like
(36:07):
grabbing these two extensions extension cords and they're like so
close to plugging in. I'm like, I just can't quite
figure out, like why this amazing, dude. But life's funny
and love's funny like that.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It is it is, and maybe maybe you hit the
nail on the head. I just need to find someone
that's and when I say fiercely independent, yeah that doesn't
need or expect a text every hour or something. I
mean we're all doing our thing and I'm damn sure
not sleeping around chea. I've never cheated or anything, you know,
And so you know all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And someone who can trust and understand go live your life.
And that's I think that is uh, that is out there,
and that's an important thing when you go into that
next relationship to define it as such and not put
the cart before the horse to where you all dive
in and you show this one life but need another.
(36:57):
It's almost like when you get into this life, it's like, hey,
these I needed to define at fifty two, fifty one
years old. I need to just define the kind of
relationship I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
There you go, Yeah, you're going to see an application
come through for your reality show five minutes after I
leave here. We got this, why not, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But I'm excited you're moving back to Austin.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Man, Thank you. Man. If you need.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
A place to stay in the meantime, if Chad kicks
you out, you know, I got an ext.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Chair for you. Careful what you wish for? Oh you?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If you know your brand.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Not at all? But well I know your son's coming
back home. Congratulations, Thank you a way. Yeah, and seems
like your family man, just some really highly motivated people.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
We're in a good season right now.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I always say life is full of seasons. Yes, sir,
there are good ones, there are bad ones. We will
all have bad ones. Lord knows. We're in a good
season right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I like it for you, man, knock on what Yeah,
that will too, But.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
That and just when when you're in a good season,
you just got to enjoy it, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I agree with you. Well, hopefully, man, when I'm back permanently,
I'd love to take you and Lauren to dinner or something.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know it's going to happen. Thank you, my friend. Yeah,
of course, thank you for everything.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You kidding me. I mean, it's just I said this
to you before we got on here. I'm going to
say this publicly that if you asked me to do something,
I'm going to do it because I know it comes
from a great place and I just want to hang
out with you. So good to see you, man.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most
Dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a
review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you
next time.
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Lauren Zima
Chris Harrison
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