Bonus! The Tortured Poets Department Gushfest

Nikki invites her friend, comedian Nour Hadidi, to join her in reviewing the first part of Taylor Swift's "The Tortured Poets Department" album and discussing what it was like hearing it for the first time. Yes, this is a deep dive!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Nicky Glaiser Podcastserus.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Here's Nicky Here. I am hello with Nicky Glazer. Welcome
to Nicky Lazer Podcast. There's a very special episode of
the podcast, as you already know because you clicked on it.
But this is for Swift these uh only not only,
but I just feel like you just need to know
what you're in for. Like this is going to be
a love fest, a gush fest, it's gonna be a dorkathon.

(00:31):
We're like gonna go hard and just lean into being
totally obsessed with this thing that brings us so much joy.
So I'm joined today on this special Swift episode to
go over the Tortured Poets apartment. And by the way,
this is something I'm doing because I've been asked by
so many people to do it, and also I just
love talking about her so much. It's the It's like

(00:51):
Anya witnesses it on the road a lot with me,
because I'll be really depressed and then someone I'll meet
someone that kind of has some knowledge about Taylor Swift,
and I will light up like a fucking mirror ball. Bitches,
I just become like shinier and just happier about the
world and she's always kind of like mystified at this.
What does Taylor call it? We'll get into it. The
drug that you take, the fortnite drug that just snaps

(01:14):
you out of things, And she's that for us, and
today us is me and the one person in my
life who's And I said this on my Stories. I
just posted whose love for Taylor Swift rivals my own?
And I invite it like I'm not someone who's like
I'm the best Swifty because I'm definitely not. But she
is so knowledgeable. She loves her in the same way

(01:34):
I do, but also in a different way. You'll see that,
like our favorites from the new album are kind of summer,
are completely opposed to one another, and I find that
so fascinating. I got so much data this weekend from
you guys sending me your top three and five favorite songs.
I said three just in case you didn't have time
to listen to five and fall in love with five,
because I know how it is, but you all said five.

(01:57):
No one said three because everyone already had favorites and
it's so fun. So anyway, who I am talking about
is such a hilarious comedian. She is from Canada. I
met her from you can just come on and start
talking before I Who did we meet through.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Dave Ross, The wonderful Dave Ross.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh my god, yes, the best. And you know there's
certain people in your life if they just like recommend
someone or they say this person's a good person, they
vouch for someone, You're just like I trust them, like
I'll love this person. So he wrote me about you
and then you open for me where in Toronto?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And it was yes, incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh my god, that was Oh my god. Okay, nor
Haddi is who we're with. Nor Hadidi. You gotta follow
her on Instagram all the things, especially if you're swifty.
She is one of us. She's such a diehard. Her
and I are the most diehard swifty comedians, without question,
without Chestry. Her name is n O. You are h
A d I d I nor Hadidi? So nor you

(02:52):
actually just defended Taylor Swift in like a debate, right, yes,
So it's like a special debate thing that shows a
big deal in Canada because I've don't know it before. It
was a lot of pressure in the audience. It's kind
of like a weight Wait, don't tell me for Canada.
For those Americans listening.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, yes, I can't believe you did it now I'm jealous.
I didn't debate you because I think that would be
so much fun.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh my god. I would be intimidated to debate you.
I would like, because I love you so much. I like,
would want you to win.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
You're so sweet.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
You're like not that it's not that it's like nor
you'd need me to throw it, so, but I would like,
I just wouldn't be I like going against people that
I'm like, you fucking idiot, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right, yeah, like people who you want to take down.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, you're just like you because you argued what was
the debate about what was the top.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Taylor Swift has the greatest fans in the world, and
I said yes, and so I debated yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I'm actually struggle with because I don't know every
fan base. It's hard to say the best, right.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
But here's this is what I said on the debate.
I was like, compared it to other fan bases, and
I'm like, Okay, I live in Canada and hockey is
so huge. If a hockey game loses, like people like
cars on fire, they're so aggressive, right, and.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We can't find Matt Healy's car, otherwise we would. I
don't know if he drives. Yeah, you're right, they do.
People get really worked up about sports in a way
that I find very similar. As I've talked about on
the podcast, that football and Taylor Swift are very similar
men's obsession and how we kind of roll our eyes

(04:27):
at that is the kind of way they roll our
eyes at this emotional thing that is very They're diametrically opposed,
like is one is obviously very emotional, but like mostly physical,
even though there's so many emotions in football, And actually
they're very similar. But the way that I looked at
football is probably the way that men looked at Taylor Swift.
And I hope that we've both changed our minds because
I'm like obsessed with football now, not obsessed, but like

(04:49):
could be obsessed. I see a way in where I
really admire players, and I've done a lot of research
recently and I've been watching a lot of documentaries about it,
and I just am like, oh, you know what, Yeah,
football fans are swifties, the ones that dress up and
everything like are their lives revolves around whether the the
you know, the Browns are doing well and they're never
doing real That's the funny thing about span bases that

(05:11):
where I go because I've wondered, I go, wait, the
Browns have never won a Super Bowl or like really
even been close and there yet there's diehard Browns fans.
I go like, what is I know? Like it's crazy,
I don't. I guess that's a dumb question because if
there's always a chance that you could because other franchises
have figured it out and that's the fun part of it.
But I think that's very sweet to root for such

(05:31):
an underdog so dieheartedly that you pay your face.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
So because I'm such a huge tailor Swift family, I
now like watch Jason Kelsey's retirement speech, like that's how
deep I'm in that is.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh my god, he's like a distant That speech is
a distant cousin to you know, the Blank Space video.
Like they're on the same you know what I mean,
They're just far from each other. They're very far removed,
but there they are a part of the Swift lore. Now,
like everything about that family. I walk to the Kelsey documentary.
I loved it. Jason Kelce because guess what, Taylor and

(06:05):
Travis get along. Travis has a good fucking family. Taylor
has a good fucking family. She's nice and she gets
along with everyone. So she's like, obviously she's gonna introduce
us us Swifties as fans to other people that we
should be fans of because they're so awesome and that family.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And that's the thing. It's like in that retirement speech,
she was like, it's no wonder that the best years
of my career with my wife Kylie by my side.
And I was like, oh, this is a family that
respects women, right, like yes, and his mom he said
in that speech that his mom was like the breadmaker,
like she went to she worked.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
The bread maker. I like that you said bread maker
instead of breadwinner.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh, breadwinner.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I'm sorry she didn't work, but she was making bread
all the time and stayed in the kitchen doing that
as she's supposed to. But we changed the name of
it to make it feel more.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, well, that's so funny that you said she's
the bread makers at a red Winner, but you meant
like she earns. But no, yes, yes, I know what
you're saying. Like the way treat their mom, the way
they kiss her you know, on the field after they win,
and the way and that family going through having two
sons in the Super Bowl against each other. I don't
know if you've seen the Kelsey documentary, but that's what
it follows. It's insane, it's so cool, it's so touching,

(07:15):
it's so sad because they're gonna be just they're gonna
be so sad for one of their sons who they
love equally. It's very It was an amazing documentmentary anyway,
But this is all connected, right, So we so you
debated the fan base. Can I just say about the
fan base I have yet to meet as Swifty. I
don't like, I know, I like whenever I run into one,

(07:37):
they're always nice. I say, I just wish they wanted
to talk, even like I want to jump in so
deep right away. And I found two girls on the
same flight from Buffalo to LaGuardia. I found two girls
that were down to talk the way you and I
talk about Taylor Swift, which you know, I don't talk
about Taylor Swift as anyone except I mean, I have
a couple of people, but the way we talk, and

(07:57):
these girls were ready to get face to face and
talk about it because sometimes I see a tailor Swift
stuff and I'm like, hey, we get so Bots department.
It's coming out and it's like a seven year old
and she's just like, Mom, I'm scared. I'm just like
I want to be like that one's about and people
don't sometimes want to go that deep, and I know them.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I love it. Like one time I was walking on
the streets of New York and I had a T
shirt from her Lover merch and a girl stopped me
and we like started talking about her on the street.
You know, That's why I wear her merch.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Is I want to connect with other Swifties. It's and
I'm proud to be a Taylor Swift fan and I
think she's beautiful and I like having her face on
my shirts, even though I will say there's a lot
of complaints in the merch in the subreddit Taylor Swift
that the merch They're like, we don't want her face,
and I'm like, that's all I want.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I love her name, I love the way it looks,
but like I love wearing her face, but I love
That's why I wear stuff is so people will say
something because every time I see some merch, I always
go Taylor Swift. I always go I I.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Like wearing my like merch that nobody unless you're out
a diehard Swifty you don't know. Like I have this
sweatshirt with her cat on it. That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
The problem is I were stuff that says Taylor Swift
and people don't come up to me. No one, I
swear to God. I know how many Swifties are out there,
but I do not get Hey, Swift eat a lot
in public. That's why this weekend it was so rare
to have two on a plane. Like usually I'm the
one to start the conversation, so I would love to
wear like That's why I like the torture to Poets
department and earrings. I got the studs because those are
a subtle nod. Yeah, they're so cute, you know, like

(09:24):
for instance, you I thought Taylor Swift might be at
a comedy show that I was gonna do recently, and
the first first person I texted was Nore and I
was like, Pearl, yeah, I Taylor might be there. What
do I do?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
How do I plan this set?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
What do I say that so that she perks up
and like gets that we should be friends, which should
I not even worry about that. And my biggest thing
was like not worry about the material because I could
pretty much do all of it, and I know she
would dig it. But I think that I wanted to
have something that she would know I'm as swiftye but
it would not be acknowledging her at all, Like it
wouldn't be calling her out at all. I don't want

(09:58):
to draw any attention to her. And we had a
lot of ideas. You and I. I thought you liked
my idea of doing the lovers or like the ten
albums on my fingernails, yes, thirteen. On my hand, the
thirteen might have been distracting it a little over the top,
Like I wanted it to be so subtle. I wanted
to maybe drop a lyric, like a very like a
lyric that is, maybe like a second verse lyric that

(10:20):
not a lot of people would catch, and then she
would just go like even if she was like totally
zoning out, she'd be like, what, yeah, the way we
all zip up the sea.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Went the opposite way. I was like, Nikki, I'm ordering
you the no It's Becky shirt from Tumblr. You're gonna
write lyrics on your phone.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
If I had to no as Becky shirt, I would
wear it because that's that is that's good enough that
it like I would bet maybe one other girl in
the room would know what that is.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That's pretty like deep swifty. There's some stuff. There's so
many swifty jokes and moments. And I learn a lot
from my fellow swifties that have come before me that
educated me about stuff that happened in the past. When
Taylor used to get really wilin on Tumblr, yeah, I
love I love that. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
She's incredible. Are you kidding me? And if you go
back to some for Tumbler posts, like the hashtags she
uses are hilarious.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
She's so smart as we know. Because this album, let's
just dive right in, no ride in, I'm acting like,
oh yeah, we're getting right to it. I could go
on and on. I think that, you know, we need
to do this again and again. I'm just like, it
would be fun to just go through every album and
just like talk about stuff because I need to talk
about Aras tour in depth because I've seen it twelve
times now.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Incredible and have you been yet not yet. We're going
to go in the summer. I told you with my family,
we're going to That's right, Yeah, nah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
That's what I'm trying to go to, Nora. I like,
actually save good days. I'm trying to bring my parents.
You're going with your parents.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, well my parents are divorced. I'm going with my
dad and then my uncle's family, so his brother and
then my cousins as well because my graduating. We don't
will we haven't bought the tickets yet. I should maybe yeah,
but we're like we've planned it.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
But okay, god, it was actually gonna have as you
have to tell you. I was kinning to get you
on the floor. I know, I like, I'll loan you money,
like you know you can pay you back and like
one hundred of yew. I don't even care if you
pay me back, like you could just take it because
you I need you to be on the floor and
not that. If anyone's listening and hasn't been on the
floor or hasn't been on to eras Is somehow like

(12:20):
had a lesser experience, but you you did. I mean
there's better places and if you're gonna go, go, if
you can't. I mean, getting in there is just good enough,
and that's so good enough. But if you have a choice,
fight for those floor seats.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
So here's the thing, because I was actually going to
text you for about ticket advice, so I'm so glad
you said that. It's actually the tickets for floor are
so much cheaper than the seated ones in Europe because
there's because there's no seats. It's like first come, first
serve kind of thing. It's like a whoa, do you
know what I mean, it's like a mess.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know. I'm on my feet the whole fucking time,
though I don't you know this. This is a fun
stat about me twelve era shows. Uh only went to
the bathroom one time, and it was because I was
having a panic attack. But the rest of the time,
only one bathroom break and it was on my first
show because I smoked a little weed before I went in,
and then I was thinking that a plane was gonna
like I was like, what if a plane crashes into
this arena. I was just like going to some dark places,

(13:13):
so I was like, I need to like get out
of here. So I went to go to the bathroom
just to get a walk and then I came back
and I was like, don't ever do that. Don't ever
smoke weed again. When you're late to a tailor show
show that you're already mad about being late at and
you don't feel cute enough and you're going alone and
you're meeting up with a fan like it was a lot,
and I didn't even it was just like, I don't
even know if it was the weed, it was just
the circumstance. And I was But that's the only time
I've ever gone anywhere during and then I leave early.

(13:36):
You're usually during Karma. I leave really because it's really
fun to dance and walk and like strut like she is,
and I've been there for three and a half hours.
I get it at this point, and I hate traffic,
I hate crowds. I get nervous about it. But it
is really fun because you have so much room to
like walk and be like and sing like Karme is
my boyfriend, and it like feels like victorious and you're

(13:59):
and I'm always in like a flow dress. I usually
dress in like folklore or evermore like I like wearing
a flowy like wood woods dress love And so then
I get to like twirl and dance and like kind
of Florence in the machine my way out of there.
So that's really fun. But my body just will not
produce a need to be the whole show. It just
knows like we're not. I don't. It's not like I'm

(14:19):
holding it. I'm just like totally yeah, but that would
be interest. I think I think then you then you
definitely do four, and I think it'll be great. Yes,
I mean yeah, I think the people people in being
are respectful and they'll mind each other's space. That's why
they can out there.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Right, I hope. So I know you said that you
wanted to go to Japan next time, which I would
love to do because yes, it's like the videos are
magical except American.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's so funny to be like finally it's just me
singing the whole time, like that's my dream, is like
singing at each other.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
You're like killer harmonized with me.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Girl, let's do Oh my god, I get some nervous
like I've been front row and second row and third
row and seventh row and eleventh throw, and when I'm
up close, like when she comes near and she you
can see the hair on her arms like that's how
close I am to her, which made me go, oh
my god, I want hair on my arms. So but
like on her upper arm, she has like these glistening
blonde hairs that are so beautiful, and I was like, god,

(15:18):
she's just like perf. You know, you just see how
perfect she is and beautiful and cute, and like you
also are like not intimidated. You're intimidated because she's her,
but you're also like she's my friend.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, but when she I always get nervous singing. I
don't want her to, like hear get distracted. If I
say not that she would ever get distracted me because
she's a fucking thro But I get nervous, I'm gonna
get the lyric wrong, and she'll look at me and
she'll not that she'll be disappointed me, but she'll be
singing with me. Because sometimes when you're singing with people
and they do the wrong lyric, you like follow their mouth.
But I doubt she has that problem because she's you know,

(15:51):
she can do it with a broken heart.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
She can do it. Got that song is incredible, Like.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
So you know what, it's time to take a break.
So let's just do that and then we'll come back
and hopefully pick it back up where we started. But
we're all over the place, and I promise we're going
to get to some songs who could get back to
it them Nor had bed okay, so torture Poets, let
let's get to it the Torture Poets department.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I saw it coming. I think I told Nor, Or
at least I told Nor that I told someone that
she was going to announce it the Grammys, a new album.
I said it on the red carpet of this event,
and I'm trying to find footage of it so I
can show you that I predicted that.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I go.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
People are thinking, we're getting reputation announcement tonight, and we're
getting a new album. She announced it and I was
like yes, and I was so excited. And then it
turns into a double album at two am, and of
course it did.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I just wanted to say thank you to all the
Detective Swifties, like I feel like there's different groups of us,
and the Detective Twists Swifties I love so much because
they were like two desks, two cups. It's going to
be a double album like things I wouldn't notice I
noticed the two's, but there's some people who just like
pause the video, look at the polaroids, analyze them, who's
in it?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Like those to have those swift pas essential swift because
absolutely like I can do my research and watch those
clips and learn about stuff and then find my own
kind of things, which I have something to reveal on
this episode that I like I made. I found a
huge thing that I think that no one else has
put pointed out. I did point it out on TikTok.

(17:21):
I wrote it in the comments of a video that
I think you sent me. But I was like, I've
got another clue, and so I hope maybe people have
picked it up by now, But I'll reveal that later
when we get to it. But I do. I do
appreciate everyone showing me what to look for. And also
I wouldn't the two things. I wouldn't have noticed on
my own, Like someone had to point that out. But
then I started seeing, you know, saying it more. But yeah,

(17:41):
there's so many layers to this. Before torture potes came out, like,
let's say, was this what you expected it to be?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Absolutely not absolutely repeting. I was expecting something more along
the line lines of Midnights, where it was a lot
more poppy. We had those dance numbers, we had the
like somber songs, you know, but I just wasn't expecting
it to be this lyrical.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh, it is dense. This is James Joyce era for
Taylor of Just Like, and I don't even know what
his writing is like because people have scared me of
it so much because it's so dense. I remember someone
in college being like, it's the worst class, not the worst,
and like, it's just I'm saying that obviously he's a genius,
and that's it was too intimidating for me. And that's

(18:27):
what some of this is. Like, I mean, I'll get
the lyrics challenging to me.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
That word rivulet. I have to look it up.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Rivulet. That was the one where I go, okay, I've
got pretty much all of these other words Rivulet. I go,
she got me, she got me? And then you it's
revealed how not stupid. I say stupid with love because
I'm stupid because I don't know rivulet, so stupid in
that way things you don't know. I'm very shocked to
find out how many people don't know, like soliloquy. I'm

(18:58):
just like you, that's okay. We're all at different places
in our lives. And I didn't know what rivulet was,
and I'm sure there's to be someone that would be like, oh,
you don't know what to rivule it, And I still
don't because I didn't look it up. I just marked
it too, so when you'll have to reveal that when
we get to it. I think the imaging that first
came out for Torture Poets, I was like I thought
it was going to be I didn't know what to

(19:21):
I guess I had zero expectations because I'd always get clowned,
you know, like I don't you know. What my expectations
were was that it's going to be my favorite album
because it always is, yes, and that you know what
else I expected. I would struggle with it at first,
not struggle, but just be like like, it's a lot
of like work memorizing this, and I'm not attached to
these songs yet. I can feel it calming, and then

(19:43):
it's like the beginning of a relationship, you know, where
you're like I want to get out there and date.
I'm so excited to like meet someone and like find
that person, but I have to like meet them and
have an awkward phase of like getting to know it,
and then oh my god, you get you start to
fall in love. And then right now I think is
the sweet spot for most diehard Swifties. Three days, four
days out of the album. You are now listening to

(20:06):
certain songs on repeat. You are memorizing lyrics. They're coming naturally,
you don't have to work for it. This is like
the this is the Limerence stage, which I've talked about
a lot on podcasts. This is the that buzzy I'm
in love drug feeling of of the of the torture
poets of a new album release. So thirty one songs, though,

(20:26):
I was like, are you fucking I cannot believe we
I'm so grateful. I was intimidated by it. But I
read something on Reddit of someone complaining about that it's
too many songs and the girl some I assume she
was a girl. That's like, I guess sexism. But they said, so,
just don't listen to the ones you don't like, Like,
it's not like you. It's not a movie where you

(20:48):
have to watch through a scene and fast forward. Just
like pick the ones you like and like, don't you
think there's maybe something here for everyone? And who cares?
Like do you like her to keep songs vaulted for?
Do you want to keep vaulted forever? I want to
hear everything. I want to hear your voice, mama was.
I want to hear her grocery lists. I want to
hear anything she writes, so put it all out absolutely.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Even when she posted that Fortnight's video, I watched it
like one hundred times, like I just want to know
everything she does.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You mean the real so much?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yes, the real, the real.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh my god. And then kissing her. I saw my
cell phone case, which I bought because there was a
I found out about her cell phone case ages ago.
And this is before Ara's tour that she had this
cell phone case. She still has it, and so do I.
It was maybe before it was I think it was
before Eras started. I got this case and and I
saw it in the think I'm like, oh my god,

(21:39):
she still has it too, Because when I was at Airas,
I was filming her obviously with my phone, and I
was like, oh my god, I wonder if because you know,
when you see your own phone case, you're like like
I was like, oh my god, maybe she sees it
because when I was in the front row, but then
she also was wearing a KU shirt and that and
I went to Ku. She was in the plate where
she's doing that. K. Yeah, so she's wearing a KU shirt.
So that was major for KU and yes, so and

(22:02):
then Travis kissing her, and then her just having so
much fun and living so much life and usually very
threatened by women who are like, have so many hobbies
and are crafty and can bake and just look like
that they have a full life, and I'm like, why
can't I be like that. I don't feel that way
with her. I'm just like, yes, you're superhuman.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Because she's my friend, because she's my best friend, and
I want everything good.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
To even want that for my best friends. I'm so
I think be jealous, and not that I don't. I'm kidding.
I want that for my best friends. I can get
jealous of my best friends though, But Taylor, I'm just like,
because I compare myself, but I don't really compare myself
to her. I think people think I do, and sometimes
maybe I can, because I'm just like, you know, it
just frustrates me that I won't ever be as good
as her, you know, like in the ways that I

(22:46):
wish I was good. You know, I'm good in different ways,
but overall, I just I'm so grateful that I like
don't feel if I was a musician, I think I
would maybe have a hard time listening to her because
she's so pro like the way we feel about the
way I feel about John Mulaney. Sometimes I'm like, I
don't really feel like watching him because he's so good
at el Chappelle that it's like it makes me go,

(23:06):
what am I even doing?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I have to
stop watching comedy even sometimes live. I'm just like, I'm
here to do my set. I'm doing the best I can.
I worked all day on my jokes, you know, and
whether and that's the thing with stand up, because we
have to follow each other, so it's the comparison is
right there and it's immediate. So I just leave. I'm like,

(23:29):
I hope, I hope everyone's doing.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
One that's a really good idea. Yeah, yeah, I don't
really I leave right away too, not for that, but
sometimes when I do it, if I have a set
that is is not great, I will leave because I
don't want to hear the next person get them. Oh no,
way can't.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's exactly what happened last night. Like I got heckled
like five times and then the host did fun to common,
Me did great, No different people in the audience. It
was wild. It was the wildest experience.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Are you performing in like oil Country and uh, Cleario?

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well it's at a theater, so I read a theater
would be nice, that's the thing. Yeah, I had never
been to Like it was in Windsor, Ontario, and it's
close to Detroit and there's this like grittiness. It's like
a blue collar city. Yeah, and I don't it's maybe
they don't.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
See a lot of comedy so they don't know not to.
Or they were just really drunk. And I'm not saying
that I think it was drunk, but they both.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, No, it was both. There was a woman who
was for sure drunk because I have a joke about
how I'm on medication and she's like, you're medicated. Sing it?
And I was like, what does that mean? Sing it?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
God? I hate when they're unintelligible. Yeah, you know where
You're just like that didn't make sense. I can't even
do anything with that? What does that mean? Like it's
so distracting? Yeah, and you know what, but you can
do it with a broken heart.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I did. I did?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know you just like because your heart will be
that song I love because you your heart can be
breaking in so many different ways. Anya was like, I
played that song for Anya and Matt and my friend
Ari this weekend and I like sang it hard on
the way home from doing you know, I did three
shows this weekend. It was like first and Keegan, Illinois,
then I flew to the next night, I was in
Niagara Falls, New York, and then the next night I

(25:07):
was in flew to Long Island and it was just
like boom boom boom, and I was kind of like,
oh tired, and I was doing it with a broken heart.
And then I and then we were listening that song
on the way home from the third show late at night.
I have like a five am flight. I'm like, oh
my god. And then I'm like I sang the song
and then Annie afterwards, I was like, do you relate
to that song? And I was like, oh, are you
kidding me? And she was like, but you're not, like

(25:27):
your heart's not you're not like going through heartbreak. I'm
like no, but she's just talking about like anyone that
has to get through anything when your heart is broken,
Like my heart can be broken for the fact that
I'm not getting a lot of sleep right now, or
I'm overbooked, I feel lonely.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I feel that's the thing that's performing. Like I used
to have a day job and then comedy was my outlet.
But when your art form becomes your job, it doesn't
matter what's going on behind the scenes. You could be crying,
you could be having a bad day, you could be groggy,
but it doesn't matter because people paid and you're there
to put on a show and that's what that is.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
But you're also there to be authentic. I think, for
at least for if that's why I would like to
be a pop star sometimes because I could just like
become this shiny performer that just hits her mark, you know.
But with comedy, for me, at least where I'm at,
it's like I have to be fluid and I want
to talk from a place of like authenticity, and it's

(26:20):
kind of in the moment, and especially when I'm depressed,
I can't I guess that's true. Like I could turn
on a switch and just do the jokes the way
that I wrote them and figure out how to find
that style, but my brain doesn't work. Sometimes I can't
do it with a broken heart, and sometimes my broken
heart just spills out on the stage and then I
get too honest about like life sucks right now. But
I do avoid that more often. It just doesn't work

(26:41):
because people can sense the sadness and they don't really
want to you kind of like, if you want to
like put some sadness into your stuff, I think it
has to be a little bit performative because real sadness
people are like, oh no, worried.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah. I hate it when they all after a joke,
I'm like, no, you're.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Not your god, oh oh, dear god. Well this this
is interesting because we're talking about our relationship with the
audience in the crowd and what we expect to from
them and what they sometimes disappoint us in ways they
disappoint us. And Taylor, for the first time ever, really
addressed her fans in this album and can of she
kind of came at us and I fucking love it.

(27:19):
I'm here for it. And it's not because I'm like,
I'm not a Hannah or a Sarah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
What is it Sarah's and hannasy best.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, I'm not that, Like I think a lot of
stuffies are telling themselves No, I'm not that, and there
are a lot of parts of me that are not that.
But I have mouthed off about her. I've literally been
on on you know, file doing it on Miss Americana
the documentary. I am mouthing off. I'm being a Hannah
live on whatever BuzzFeed show. So I've been that in
the past, and I try not to do that, and
that's why I wanted to do this podcast and just

(27:49):
do it all positive like, because that's all I really
want to be anyway. I don't want to be critical.
We get more album drops than any other fan base, Yes, sure,
but those nights that they have and are so special.
Where were you when you first listened?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I really hate to say this, and I want
to Oh, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Mean to set you up for this, but you are.
I made a TikTok about you.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
You did.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I think it got posted. I haven't checked it,
but it was like me, uh, struggling to say no
to you when you said you had a link for
a leak, Yeah, but I did say no. I turned
it down, and really it wouldn't have changed anything in
her life, but I just I wanted to experience it
the way everyone was was doing it. But I was

(28:35):
tempted to do it because I wasn't gonna be able
to listen as soon as it came out because I
was going to be on stage. So I was like, oh,
I deserve to listen to it early, but I didn't.
Where were you when you first started listening? Like what
you're setting in.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
My pajamas in my bed packing for this tour. I
get a message from a comic. He's like, hey, I
have a I know you're like by the book, but
are you I have a leak if you're interested, And
I said, yes, send it to me, put it in
my veins. So he sent it to me and I
literally I had to stop packing and I just sat

(29:07):
there with my iPad listening. And then, because it's not
like Spotify where it goes to each song, I have
to manually go in and listen, and it's so frustrating
because I don't have the lyrics. I'm trying to figure
out what the lyrics say.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Lead I mean, neither did anyone at first. I guess
some of them started leaking because of the leak the
lyrics beforehand, but they were it's hard to they took
they were on Spotify and then they took them off.
Did you notice that? No, I mean, at least for me,
I cannot find the lyrics that they were on it
for a day. I think it was on Saturday they
were on it. I was on a treadmill. I was learning,
but but Daddy, I love him. And then the next

(29:42):
day I tried to pull up the lyrics and they
were gone. Some of them were wrong, so I would
hope that they would be gone to become right. Because
of some of them, I was like, that's not what
she's saying right there. But yeah, it's hard to listen
without lyrics. So yeah, you like kind of set the
tone for yourself. Did you listen to the whole Was
all thirty one leaked early?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
No? Only the first only the album? It sounds, yeah,
the first So I had no idea there was going
to be thirty one any.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Gee, good for you protecting that the second half? Yeah,
so yeah, you woke up to I mean I had
texted you I'm sure, you got many texts, but saying
like it's a double album. And then you texted me
in that morning and we're like, oh my god, I'm
getting into it now.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, And I was trying so hard because I wanted
you to enjoy the album for yourself, so I was
trying not to give you any information, but I was
dying for you to live.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
No, you gave me some and it was it felt
really good. I forgot what you told me specifically, but
I was.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Like, will you asked me if there were any bops
and I said, like, there's one bob mostly not bombs.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Bops.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, bops, yes, no, no bomb.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I thought you said bombs and I was like, did
I ask that?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, no, yeah, And you told me. I forget what you
told me, but I'm guessing my boy only breaks his
favorite toys.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
No. The bop was I can do it with a
broken heart because that's the more.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
That is the bo I mean, yeah, that's the boppyist
one for sure. You're right, You're right. Yeah, I will
argue that some of these are bops when they don't
sound like it, like there's I was just talking to
a swifty this weekend and we both agreed that is
it over now is a bop that doesn't sound like
it because it starts so slow. You know, it's like
when the Fly has fun, it's just really soft, and

(31:13):
then it's like, let's fast forward, and then it just
like kicks in and it's like it's it's somewhere in
between a boat, but it becomes like this. I don't know,
I need a description for how I feel in my
soul with some of these songs. How uplifting and like
they like scoop me up, like I feel like I'm
flying sometimes.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
These Vault tracks have been incredibly life changing.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Like we'll do a podcast about the Vault like, okay,
like nineteen eight nine Vault tracks, What a fucking gift?
What a and if you know, and that's that's as
much music as people get from their bands, if they're
it's generous, you know, it's like a you know, she's
given us these vult tracks. She's given us like fifteen

(31:53):
fifteen to twenty new tracks a year. Yeah, oh wow,
and they've been such bangers.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
All credible. Some of my favorite Vault tracks were from
the Red album. I will say, I was like, how
did you not?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
What are we talking when you say that, because I'm
I'm I'm having a trouble recalling the Red Vault tracks.
But oh, oh my god, I bet you think about
me get the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yes exactly, I bet that's song new.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, well nothing new, I mean, and she you know,
definitely does like a little reprise of nothing new in
this there's like echoes of nothing new in this album.
I would love let's look.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
At echoes of past songs in this album.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, because yes, that would come up. Okay, Oh, the
ten minute version. I mean, obviously I don't even think
of that as Vault track because it's so just now
what the song is like.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I love the first time. It's such a beautiful song.
I know it's very like uppity and like the very
first night. Yeah, oh, the very first night.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, I don't think I know that one song. I
don't think I'm like locked in with that one.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh, I love it. I know it's one of my
favors from the Vault.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I could Okay, I know the very first Night. Please.
I just started playing and I was like, there's no
way I don't know the song. I know it very well.
That's a new that's a Vault track. Yes, that just
came out because I feel like I've known the song forever.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
No, it's a volt track. Her version of Babe is
a vulttra.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, I mean that I've loved both versions so much.
And uh and also better Man, that was so exciting
to get. I really like run. But I don't think
a lot of people are crazy about that. But I
mean message in a bottle like it? Message is like
no one had heard Message in a Bottle before. That's
not that seems crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, No, we have not. We had never heard it.
And I'll tell you better Man. I am so obsessed
with that song. There's a YouTube video of her singing
it acoustically at the cafe. Have you seen Do you
know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I haven't memory, I haven't memorized. I even have the
old man who's playing next to her his motions memorized,
where he goes like times kind of sings.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I download.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
It's amazing the least, And yes, it's incredible podcast about her,
our favorite live performances of hers that we watch on YouTube. Yes,
you know, like that would be fun? That is that's
a great.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Red one, the red one on the boat.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Oh in the living room with all the people who
are like hearing her in.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
The laugh where she's on the boat in Paris. I
don't know that you know what I'm talking about, no
unless less ten babe, babe.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh okay great. And I saw her live performance. I
saw her do the nineteen eighty to nine rooftop performance.
I don't know if you've ever seen that. She does
Welcome to New York on the rooftop. I was there.
I could see my little ponytail because Chris, my boyfriend,
produced it, and so and we were kind of broken up,
but it was like we're thinking about getting back together.
And he was like, hey, I'm doing this project. I
think you might be interested. And I'm like, oh my god.

(34:47):
I jumped out of bed. I was so depressed. I
jumped out of bed and I just like got in
a cab and went right there. I didn't even look cute,
and I was. She saw me. I was. I'd met
her on the Red Tour beforehand, but she's right there.
I always forget about this interaction with her. But she
was about to start where she's like walking through the
village thunder music glow. You know, she's doing like and
she walks and then she gets on stage. When she
walks through the crowd, she was about to start walking

(35:09):
and they took off her jacket and it was freezing.
I mean, this was my winter in like it wasn't
it was maybe it was, it wasn't like that hot
or whatever. And then I looked at her and she
was kind of like an, I go, uh, I go
it's cold. I like mouthed that to her and she goes,
it is. Yeah. So I carried that with me. I

(35:32):
didn't remember who said what, but I definitely I don't
think she was the first to initiate it. I just
remember our interaction was it's cold, it is and I'm like, yes, okay,
so let's start with the first single off the Torture
Poets Department, the anthology we're gonna hope to get We're
just gonna do. Let's just do the first songs. We're

(35:52):
gonna do the first sixteen songs, the first release okay,
the leak, and the first song Fortnite featuring post This.
I love this for a single. It is. When it
first came out, I was like, oh, it's a little
bit slower than I'm like a single to be. But
I trust her with her singles. I am a huge
fan of me. I'm so glad that that was her single.
I embraced it. It got me ready for Lover. I

(36:14):
loved it so much. I still love that song. I'm
just obsessed. I'm only just sad that she took out
spelling is fun because I thought that was hilarious, which
we have another spelling for is fun lyric to discuss
that people are like she why did she say that?
That's so weird? And they don't get that she's making
She's in on the joke, idiots. Okay, we'll get to
that later. But fortnite, I love this and it has

(36:37):
grown on me substantially. It is probably in my top five.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Really yeah, at this point, it's just so It's such
a smooth, slick song, and it makes its starting to
make me like drum up feelings in me that I
don't even understand. I don't even know it's about, you know, like, uh,
I haven't dug into the lyrics. Have you dug into
it at all?

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yes? I mean I whenever she collaborates with someone, I
like to go into it more just because i'd like
to see like I'd like to know what she was
thinking why she asked that specific person to collaborate with
her on the song. Oh interesting, Yeah, and because he's
one of only two for this album, so I was like,
I want to like no more and I have to

(37:21):
be honest, it's a slow burn for me fortnight.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, No, that's okay. There's gonna be those for this,
especially this album. We all know as Swifties that like
some songs don't resonate with us deeply until we're like
ready for them to sink in, but that they are
all capable of getting us in like a wild way
when we suspect it. This one is going to get me.
I think I'm just starting my love affair with it,
like in terms of like it's the one I go

(37:45):
to to repeat. I was a functioning alcoholic till nobody
noticed my new aesthetic. I mean her saying that if
she's you know, she's kind of playing a character in
the song. She's talking about like my neighbor and your wife,
like Taylor Switt doesn't have neighbors. Yeah, there's there's imagery
in this that is not her life that I think
is like kind of a folklore character thing. Because right

(38:05):
it's like, yes, it gets too I haven't really gotten
into this. Look, all my mornings are Monday, stuck in
endless February. I took the miracle move on drug. The effects
were temporary. I mean, I guess this is she's talking
about her relationship that she jumped into out of her
other relationship. I love you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
It kind of rids me of evermore where she was
like stuck in November or like, I don't know. I
just love how when she uses specific months to conjure
up imagery because there's things we associate withevery like it's
so cold, it's very depressing, and so she's just stuck
in that on a Monday because of this guy.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
WHOA hold on, I'm sorry, I'm reading these lyrics and
I'm starting to understand that I'm totally missing the mark
on this. Are people not thinking that this is where
it's dicey nor I don't want to be a Hannah
and Sarah and discuss who the songs are about, so
I'm not going to use names. I'm just gonna talk
in as trying to be poetic about talking about poetry

(39:00):
as I can. But okay, so the lyrics are you know.
Uh this is so this is someone that she's taking
a pill. She's taking a drug to get over, to
get over the symptoms of something else. Is what I'm taking,
this says, And this drug is going to be temper.
The effects of the drug are temporary, and fortnite is
two weeks, so in a fortnite, So for two weeks,
it was like we were forever. We were gonna last

(39:23):
run into you sometimes ask about the weather. Now you're
in my backyard, turned into good neighbors. Now you're like
kind of hanging in my scene. Uh you're like friends
with my friends. That's we're neighbors. Your wife waters flowers,
I want to kill her? Now, who knows what that is?
Because I maybe that person moved on and she's already
seeing it. And uh like, is she talking about what

(39:44):
we're who we think we're she's talking about? And then
she says, my husband is cheating. I want to kill him?
Is that? Are people making much of that line and
what she might be saying with that?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, I didn't even notice it until you pointed
it out, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
So if she if she is the character, and let's
that's let's let's just say that sometimes she does that
and these she speaks in metaphors. There's so this is
this could be about her life and she's just saying
good neighbors as like you would say that people you know,
she's just But that is that stands out to me
because I think that's the what the I think that's
the album we thought we were getting with this, which

(40:21):
is like I kept saying, it's gonna be answers to
what happened in that relationship, which is none of my
goddamn business. I want to repeat over and over. None
of this is my business, and it's it's just fun
to dissect. It's interesting because it's someone's personal life. I
tend to share a lot of my personal life with
the public, and as someone who puts themselves open to that,
I appreciate when someone else does, and I like to

(40:43):
reward it by being nosy and hand speculating and gossiping.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
But if I, if I may say something about that,
like as fans, we're so invested in her music and
so much of a reputation and Lover was about this,
so for us it's like, yes, it's her personal life,
but it's manifested itself in her art, and we would
just like to know what happened, you know, from beginning
to end.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
And when you consume art, even if it's a TV
show or like a movie, there's a lot that's left
off the table that you don't see that ends up
in the final art piece. But it's appropriate to discuss
what could have happened behind that closed door about that movie,
you know, like they purposely leave out details in movies
and things and you can speculate, like what, you know,

(41:31):
what did Logan roy? Did he underline his name or
cross it out? We'll never know, but something happened, and
we could know because the narrator of succession made it
up and he could tell us what that was, but
he purposely left it out for us to speculate and
to talk about it and discuss it. So in a
similar way, I'm justifying discussing who these are about and

(41:51):
what it could be. And honestly, I'm trying to apply
it to my own life, like it helps me. If
she's if I'm like, oh, she's talking about the fling
she had to get over someone else, Okay, great, I
know who that is in her life. I know who
that person in her life. Kind of represents in my life.
This is going to help me feel it in a
different way. So I'm justifying being a little bit of
a Sarah and Hannah right now.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
But I literally had a dream about my Maddie he
Ley the night before the album came out, and it's
only now making sense to me that, like, oh, this
album is about not about Joe, It's about Maddie. And
I just feel like, just because something is fleeting or
with the first six weeks, does it mean it does
it have a profound impact? Like, yes, I dated a

(42:31):
guy for six weeks three years ago, but sometimes I
still dream of him because it's like, you don't know
how people will affect you.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, I can't believe anyone would ever begrudge her writing
an entire thirty one album song if she wanted to
about someone she had a weekend with. Because this is
Miss Taylor Swift. Do not forget that she is able
to uh distill her emotions, and not distill is the word.
She's able. Her emotions are so complex that there's so

(43:00):
many different things going on, and she's able to dissect
her emotions in a way that we can't. So the
feeling roller coaster, you go through a falling in love
with one for a weekend or even having a tryst
like could elicit thirty one songs. So and we got
don't forget We got all too well out of her
thing with Jake, which people say is like that's she's
been like bitching up, but she's been crying about this
for so long, So what I yeah, personally, I have

(43:23):
some of the most intense love love affair moments were
the shortest in my life, and they burned so bright,
and they are I would say a thing that I
think about more. I think about those relationships when I
listen to Taylor's with more than I do my good
relationships that were long longer. And that's why I think
we didn't get the album we all thought we were

(43:43):
gonna get in this because how did it end? She
doesn't even know. She hasn't processed that yet. And you
know what, the songs about the person that may have
come after right after as a you know, as a
response to it, are still about the main person, because
that is she was. It was a drug she took
because of the main person. So we are getting an

(44:04):
album about Joe. We are like she's she's talking about
the booze she consumed to help the heal the confusion
and the disappointment of the Joe thing ending. So it
is an album about him and or you know what,
it's whatever. It's an album about so many things. But Fortnite,
I think, is kicking off the overall theme that we

(44:27):
returned to again again, which is this person, this this
thing that she turned to to heal a broken heart.
And we are also setting up she is broken hearted.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And I like that. It's like I only touched you
for a fortnite. She's just telling us, like, I only
touch you for this amount of time. Fortnite is an
English word, so it's very like, hmmm, yeah, explainating, yeah,
what happened.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
She also foreshadows her viciousness in this album. We're leaning
into the part of her that's like I want to
kill her. I want to kill him that we're oh,
where she's you know, Taylor Swift, she's killed herself before.
Oh she's dead. I mean in vigilante shit. You start
to get like she foreshadowed this, but she's she's in

(45:10):
that vigilante shit mode. And it's good. It's it's really fun,
and it's unexpected. It's like when she first started cussing,
like there's a side of her that's emerged that we're like, oh,
bad girl, naughty girl. Okay, let's go to Torture Poet's Department.
This was a slow burn for me, but it is
burning good, real good. Today is peak Tortured Poets Department.

(45:32):
I think I avoided it because it was the title track.
I don't know why I do I would do that,
but I would say the first five songs of any
album she releases are usually the ones I repeat the
most because I'm like, I just want to go back,
and so they get the most listens. And that was
the one of the first five that I wasn't listening
to on like Fortnite and Torture Poets were the ones
that I was The following three I really couldn't stop doing.

(45:53):
But today I got back into TPPD and uh TTPD
and it's so good and it's also about the fling, right.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yes, I loved it. I was like, at first, I
was like, why wouldn't you tell someone you're dating that
their typewriter is like weird? But then I would put
myself in her shoes, and I was like Yeah, if
you're dating someone, you don't want to say anything that
might hurt their feelings or like damage.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
But the smallest man who ever lived, Oh my god,
you have to tiptoe around people's feelings like that.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Oh my god. No, but that's a.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Really interesting note to point out. Nor that she like
your first instinct was like, why wouldn't you just say
that I think some things I never say. And and
by the way, she only gives us one of the
things she thinks many things. I think, I think some things,
not many. Some things I never say, like who uses typewriters? Anyway,
she's just giving this an example of all the things
she's thinking that she doesn't say. Yeah, she can't really

(46:51):
be herself person.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And she just got so personal. She's like she named
her friends Lucy and Jack. Right, Lucy is like one
of the girls from boy Genius and yeah, like it
also is just showing how like this guy is a flang.
He came out of the blue, but he is so
entrenched in her friend group, like they all know him.
And for if a guy told your friend that he
would kill your himself if you left like that is

(47:15):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry if that's unhealthy, but it's like
just the most reassuring thing ever in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Like I'm sorry, yeah you, I mean you got you.
You relate to this. I don't. I don't relate to that.
I do know that this maybe I do. I mean, like, yes,
you know. What I relate to is feeling some way
about someone and then feeling it this have finding out
they feel the same way back, like she says, she
feels it too, you know, she said, she and getting

(47:45):
that validation that this crazy thing you're thinking isn't crazy.
And she gets kind of crazy for him. I mean
she is, we get it to it, but she's imagining
him writing mine on her upper side, give me, give me,
like like I can't even handle it. It's so she is.
She's in the psych word, but it's a good it's
a good place to be. Like she is, she qualifies

(48:06):
as someone who's like and I'm saying, this is someone
who has these kinds of thoughts to really dark thoughts,
really sexually deviant. And that's not that sexually devian, but
like writing mind, like owning someone's leg is kind of
a hot like almost the.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Upper very like sexual area. The upper thigh is a
very like intimate area.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah yeah, and the way she says upper thought, like okay,
we'll get to that later. Okay, So who's gonna hold
you like me? And who's gonna know you if not me?
And then she laughed at his face when he said
she said, you're not Dylan Thomas, I'm not Patty Smith.
This ain't that, Chelsea. I'll tell we're modern idiots.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I love that you smoked the n eight seven bars
of chocolate. We declared Charlie Pooth should be a bigger artist.
I scratched her head. You fall asleep like a tattooed
golden retriever, but you awaken with dread and pounding nails
in your head. But I've read this one. You where
you come undone? I chose the cyclone with you. Okay,
so she's already read this one.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
She knows what she signed up for, like she's worn
him for.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's history here, Yeah, there's history here. And then uh,
I love the way she says, no, fucking buddy, woof,
that's a good drop of fucking Yeah. Yeah, this one's
really good and fun and it's really grown on me
and I love it and it's our worked for by
my account, we're two out of two on songs about

(49:22):
the person we didn't think we'd get an album written about.
And now we're gonna go three for three because here
comes My Boy Only Breaks his Favorite Toys, which is
my second favorite song on the album right now. Really
it is, Oh my god, I'm kidding in my face
thinking about the song.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
What no, wait your f okay, No, we still didn't
get to your favorite one, yere.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
My favorite I think people know, but I'm gonna save
it for when we get to it. Okay, My Boy
Only Breaks his Favorite Toys was an instant one for
me where I heard it and I was like, I
love the oh oh oh oh. I loved that. I
was like, oh, that's gonna be fun to saying. I
think I declared on the Instagram Live that I watched
with a bunch of of these that it would be
I would be doing this one at karaoke, and you

(50:03):
know I will. This one is great. I love it
so much. The word rivulets do we have a definition
for that? Did you look it up?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You said you did. Rivulets descend my plastic smile. I'm
guessing it's.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Like a small stream of water a very small stream.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, she's crying. The dolls crying. So she already said.
We found out on her serious XM thing that she
wrote the song about. Uh, when someone like being a toy,
story type toy that gets like being up and then
it kind of is in denial of why it's being
beaten up and it kind of tells itself it's because
I'm its favorite. Is that what you got from that?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yes? I basically got that, like I'm his favorite, like
I you should have seen him. You should have seen
him when he first got me, Like I'm number.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
One, there's no question she is.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and I'm his favorite because I could have played
for keeps this time because I got because there was
I knew too much. We all know a guy in
our life where he breaks up because things get real
right because he can see the fo because.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
They say to yes, Yes, I've always joked that I
just like, you know, I I used to joke that
when I get rejected, I'd always say the guy was scared,
you know, because I used to say that, you know,
like he was scared he like truly loved me and
he couldn't handle it. And I'm like he loved me
so much. He like he's scared. He had to run,
you know, he he ran so far. He's engaged to
someone else now, he was so scared of commitment. He's

(51:35):
just like, you know, it's it's but I here's the thing.
I trust Taylor and I know. I know she's so
confident that this person like loved her. And I've been
I've been this where I'm like, you fucking idioto have
fun the rest of your life, always knowing I'm the
one that got away, always knowing I knew you better
than anyone else. You'll always know that you could have

(51:55):
had me and you weren't man enough to fucking deal
like to have me, and you could have and you
will always regret it. You will always feel like you
didn't really just succeed as much as you could in
life because you were scared. Like I've told myself that,
I staunchly believe that about some people in my life.
I'm glad it didn't work out because it would have
been a nightmare it would have ended. But like I
love that they will always feel at least I will

(52:16):
think they always feel that way.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So and there's times where the guy like knows you're incredible,
but he doesn't want to date someone incredible. He wants
to date someone where he's the star. He's the incredible person, right,
Like someone who feels safe or like is not going
to leave him.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
So I trust her though I think this guy was
absolutely obsessed with her, and I think she was and
I think she was absolutely obsessed with him and I
and and you know, you can move on in life,
but like I don't. I don't think it takes any
thing away from her current relationship to say that she
like had some really unique, hot, loving feelings for this person.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Of course he saw her, ever, so he smashed it up.
Like that's it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Let me just say that people are like someone I
had heard was like, I hope Travis has a thick skin,
like the way she talks about some you know these guys,
like can you handle it? Travis is fine. She took
care of Travis in this album. We will get to it.
But Travis is a confident, secure man. That's why she's
finally that's why she's with him. Like he he's won

(53:23):
three super Bowls, he is a star. He is six
foot four, He is dating the most. He just won
a super Bowl. He's dating a princess. He's not gonna
get insecure about this, and that's why he got hers,
because he's not insecure because these things are over, they're
in the past. So she can write all day long
about these guys, and I bet you Travis isn't gonna

(53:45):
give a fuck and he's gonna bop out to them
just like we are. That would be my guess, because
he's secure in his relationship, which he should be, because
Taylor doesn't fuck around and we know how she feels
about him too, and we'll get to that. Okay, next
up down bad. Okay, we're going four for four. If
here's word of four so far about I think the

(54:05):
person we didn't think this would be about. This is
what she says about getting abducted by aliens? Did you
really beat me up just to do experiments on? Oh
my god? Am I thinking about anal when she said
that a little bit? Is that mostly on me? Yep?
Yeah it is? Okay, tell me I was the chosen one,
showed me that this world is bigger than us, then
set me back where I came from. I love this song.

(54:26):
I love the verse, I love the chorus. I love
that we go from space to crying at the gym,
and I love that. We got a little gem snapshot
of her in that reel where she looked so fucking good.
I screenshoted her doing that like back, like her glute workout,
and I was like, on her diankle, Oh my god,

(54:46):
she is, She's perfect. She has a perfect body. I
even send it to Kirsten, my best friend who's a
plate's instructor, and she was like, she has a perfect body,
and I was like, yes, she does, thank you. This
is that's my girl. Anya with me when I saw
when it reel came out, and I was like, look
at her body and I noticed, like I shouldn't even
it could be at its just body's perfect at any size,

(55:08):
at any shape. But I really was like, I'm so,
she just looks so good. And Annie's just like, okay, crazy,
but she's very sweet and supportive of my swiftiness, even
though she definitely is like calm down, girl. But I
like this song what about You.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's again. This one was a slow burn for me.
I like it a lot more now. I think for
me when I can get wrap my head around the
melody of a song. And because this album has every
song has like kind of similar rhythms as opposed to
other albums where each song is very different. It just
took me a while, but yes, I love this song.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I thought this song stood out for me as way
sounding different than the rest of the album. But that,
you know that, I think is really subjective because some
people are like, it all sounds the same. My argument
to that, and I'm not saying you're saying that, But
when people say that, I'm like, yeah, she's it's all
written by the same so yeah, like and that's and
if they don't sound the same, dare if she ever
makes an album where everything sounds different, they say it's

(56:09):
not cohesive. It's like her whole thing about like, if
you have an ass, you won't you if you want
to be thin, you won't have an ass. If you
want an ass, you're not. You're gonna have a tummy.
You can't fucking win. So she makes an album that
sounds totally different, has a lot of different sonic sounds,
which I think is redundant. Then people criticize her for
being like she's all over the place, it's not a
cohesive album. And now this all sounds kind of the same.

(56:29):
Now you're complaining, like, yeah, it's just sound the same.
She's going through something and it doesn't and it doesn't
sound the same. Like I feel like for me, every album,
all the songs kind of blend into each other and
then they start to have personalities and you're like, oh
my god. It's like when puppies are born, they all
kind of are like slow and like and they like
if you're picking out a puppy from a litter, you'd
be like, I don't know which one. It's kind of
a gamble. Who knows what these are gonna turn into

(56:51):
for me, you know, in terms of, uh, the personality,
and then that starts to emerge slowly. So that's how
I feel about that, right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Also, just like the visual of her crying at the gym,
it's just so relatable.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, so relatable. And you know she's working out alone
because she can't go to a public gym, I mean
not alone, but she's with her friends. So it's like,
because I can't cry at the gym in most gyms
because I'm going to well, no, because I'm in hotel gym,
so I'm kind of alone a lot too. Okay, I
should relate to that more. But I don't often cry
at the gym. I cried at pilates and my instructor
has to, like, you know, pretend like she's not saying
it even though my eyes are watering up. But yeah,

(57:26):
that's very, very relatable. I want to say the lyric
down bad waking up in Blood. It reminds me of
like when you start your period in the middle of
the night. Oh yeah, and also there's it kind of
makes me think of anal too. Okay, let's keep going.
So So Long London is next, and we have our
first departure from the other person that beamed her up

(57:46):
and dropped her back down and she kind of wants
to go back. Yeah, that's what that song was about.
You get picked up, you get you do, they do
experiments on you, and they kind of make you their own,
and you kind of like it because you're not in
your life and you're abducted and then they put you
back and you're just like where did you go? And
you're kind of feeling empty and sad. So Long London
we all were really excited about this one because we're like, okay, well,
we're definitely getting some answers to what happened or like

(58:09):
some insight on that did this? Did this pull through
for you? Like what do you get out of the song?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Okay, So this song I absolutely loved and it's so
lyrically dense. It was the first time where it was
in the album. Very was like quickquick, quick, quick, quick,
Like what did she say? What did she say? What
does she say? I think that I think I texted
you this Renegade is about Joe, which we didn't know

(58:36):
at the time about this person. And there because she's like,
I'd carry you up my street and make me, make
me your future history and renegade and then here she says,
my spine split from carrying us up the hill. So
I just felt like that was an.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Extension of renegadreet make me your future history. It's time.
Oh my god, that's really good. I forgot that. That's
really a good connection.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah, and just the imagery of her.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Because I didn't know who I thought Renegade was about.
I new who I thought it was about my own life,
literally every man I've ever dealt with. But it really
is one of those songs that can encompass a lot
of different levels of rejection in a relationship. Or like disappointment.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
But after she put out a long story short on evermore,
I was like, oh, she's in a secure relationship. It's
rock solid. This could not be about him. But now
that after and it's just I think that all the
answers are here, like, yeah, maybe it is juicy, yeah,
but it's the truth. It's like someone was sad and depressed.

(59:43):
They drifted apart. She just couldn't keep trying anymore.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Like and I think tolerate it might be this might
be giving tolerated a little bit too. Yeah, like we
might be getting some insight into even as far backs
tolerate it, which you know, I always wondered how about
was written about? But I'm sure there's there's information on
that out there, but I have an invest But yeah,
it's it's giving sweet Nothing to Me, which I always
thought was a breakup song because it's just like all
your like the word nothing isn't it And people forget

(01:00:08):
that they go like, oh, the sweet Nothing's But it's
like the word nothing is kind of hidden in that song,
like you're giving me nothing, and that's kind of what
it feels like. It's like, how did this end? I
don't even know you're kind of giving up. And this
is definitely the extension of you're losing me, you know,
like you're just yeah, and you say I abandoned the ship,
but I was going down with it. I don't know

(01:00:28):
what to make up that one. Like, let's think of
a person abandoning the ship. Yeah, but you didn't abandon
the relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I was like in it and like I was either
gonna die in it or I have to get out,
But I was did she go down? I was going
down with it. I just don't get what it means
to say I was going down with it like you.
But you did abandon it eventually, But she was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Like, it's the Titanic. I'm sinking. If I don't get off,
I'm gonna die. Like I can't live like this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
That's what the color is got to turn to her face,
which is from me. My face was gray. You wouldn't
admit that we were sick. I mean, there's a lot
of different imagery here. That's the same. Okay, next up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Sorry, I just want to say I died at the
altar waiting you swear you love me, But where was
the clues? I died on the altar? Waiting for the
proof that one killed me Thos, and then you start
to the gods of your bluest days, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
That blue all blue, with all Joe painted the paint
of the walls blue. There's a lot of you know, wait,
you swore that you loved me, but where were the clues?
I died on the altar, waiting waiting for the I
like how she goes waiting for the proof. That's like
she says such interesting ways of doing melodies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Okay, yeah, the rhythm and cadence of that of that
of the verses are incredible. And I love also how
she was how the beginning is like so long London,
and then in one part just like I waited for
so long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yes, I freaked out when I heard that. I was
just like, you fu genius, you mastermind. Yeah, that song.
I'm looking at these lyrics. It's it's it's great, it's
so good. It's gonna go down as one of the
best and most like And when she busts that thing
out at aras if she does theatrically what she wants
to do with that song, we will all come around.
Like I felt the way about My tears Ricochet. It

(01:02:19):
never landed for me in the way that I needed
it to. I just maybe hadn't given it the time.
And then eras it's my favor it's one of my
favorite songs. Same to tolerate it. Like the way she
sold it theatrically, I was just like, oh, I get
what she's saying, and I think this one will be
very beautiful theatrically. Okay, my favorite song on the album.
I'm declaring it nothing will ever even touch it because

(01:02:41):
this one is like one of my favorite songs of
all time. I don't want to say never touch it
because there's other things that definitely touch it. But Daddy,
I love him. Track six I and for you, you're saying,
it's I don't want to call you out. This for
you has been a skip, Yes, I'm sorry, an initial skip,
which we all have, and even Taylor Swift has skips
on albums, So that's not saying anything bad. I want

(01:03:04):
if Taylor you're listening, by some chance, love that that
does not mean anything, because, as we know, any any
skip that you initially have is just whatever you're feeling
in that moment. It's not you're not ready for that
song yet. Like we can't handle it. It's not because
it's not a good song. It's because we aren't. We aren't.
We can't hear that frequency yet. That's at least what
I would want to know if I were Taylor listening

(01:03:26):
to this and be like, oh, do I have a
skip bitch, And I'd be like, yeah, But that doesn't
mean it's You're always spitting truth and the most beautiful stuff.
So I there's a part of me that's like, if
she hears this, I just need her to know that. Okay,
But this song, I love it so much. It is
just the way it just opens up and you can

(01:03:48):
you can feel her running in that unbuttoned dress. And
I oftentimes, like I've dated men in the past where
my mom has been like Nikki, he is going to
ask you to marry Ane and you're gonna say yes.
I just know it. Like she thinks I'm kind of
like not. She thinks I'm just like so dumb and
like like just uh digmatized. I guess she doesn't use

(01:04:09):
that word, but I guess she just thinks that, like
he has got you wrapped around his finger. You're gonna
marry him? You are? You better be careful. She's never
talking about like pregnancy, because she knows that I would.
I don't want to do that, even with someone I
want to be with forever. But she's like, if he proposes,
you're gonna say yet, Like she's always said that about
these guys that I updated in the past that she
was worried about. And I'm like, Mom, I would never

(01:04:30):
marry this guy. What are you saying? Like, don't you
think I'm in control of what I'm doing. I'm having
a little fun. I'm just I don't want to get
married yet, you know, like trust me. And so I
felt like when her saying like, you know I'm having
his baby? No I'm not, but you should see your faces.
I've done that to my mom so much, not in
that exact way, but just like saying something that sounds
like really like threatening, like my mom's biggest fear about

(01:04:52):
this person I'm dating, like being locked in forever and
then being like, ah, just kidding, yeah, right, And that's
what she's saying to us, guy, chill out about the
Maddie thing. And I am desperately looking for it. But
I fucking called this shit because I did a podcast
that's two Swift two Swifty besties have alerted me to
me being the one to say to that Taylor's she

(01:05:15):
was there, Like one said that Taylor Swift hays she
needs to know she has a friend in you because
you said leave her alone about the Maddie stuff and
that let her have fun. She's having fun, and like
it's none of your business and she owes you nothing.
I said that over and over it she owes us
literally nothing, So don't get a fucking attitude about it.
You don't even know her, you don't know what's going on,

(01:05:37):
and shut up, Like, let her do what she wants.
She could date with whoever she wants, and she's having fun.
You're just jealous. I was just like so adamant that
all these bitches were just jealous that she's having fun
and she's dating someone a little bit like wrong, which
we all want to do and we all want to
we all want to date a guy who makes us
go but daddy, I love him like that's a bad boy.
It's fun. So anyway, I want to say that I did.

(01:05:58):
I was not a Hannah and a Sarah in this scenario.
I am in many other ways, but and I'm so
sorry to all have Sarah's and Hannah's. I know some
of you I've talked to on DMS and you're like,
oh no, she's like made my name personified with this thing,
and it's like no, I would just actually if it
said Nicky's, I would actually feel like that was a
call out. So I am glad it's not my name.

(01:06:19):
And I'm sorry to Sarah's and Hannah's, but you know,
you've had it too good for too long. And congrats
to all the girls who are Hannah without an age
or Sarah without an age, because that's not that's not
the words that she.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Is not you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, that's not you. And I love that she said
they try to save you because they hate you, like
some of her fans hate her, and she realizes that
and that is like big, that's a crazy realization to have,
and they do and they want to cage her, which
we get back to later. There's an imagery of cage.
All right, we're back. I felt rather vindicated by but Daddy.

(01:06:55):
I love him. But I also it really resonated with
me on a personal level. I think just musically, it's gorgeous.
It builds so much when you think it's done, it
starts over and uh, and then it gives you this,
It gives you the best bridge of the whole album.
I think, uh I or just like it's not even

(01:07:16):
there's like eight bridges in the song. This song is
so long, it's almost like all too well ten minute
where it's just like it has so many different parts
that I don't I can't even recognize what's the chorus
and what's the verse, like it's it's all over the place.
But I love I love getting lost in our songs
like this. But it also and this was not like
a good job to cracking the code that the last
verse is about Travis, but of course it is. Of
course it is. Who would think that it's still the

(01:07:39):
same guy. Okay, so let's let's break it down. So
the first part is talking about the person that she's
talked about for four now out of now five out
of the first seven songs is number.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Seven, says no, this is track six six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Six, Okay, so sorry, five out of fight up that
of six tracks. Yes, besides, so long London have been
about this person until the very end of this, and
we get her first. We're our first thing about uh, Travis.
So at the very end, she goes, uh, there's a
lot of people in this town that I bestow upon
my face as smiles. Uh. Scandal does funny things to pride,
but brings lovers closer. Okay, So all the fucking scandal

(01:08:17):
around her relationship, guess what it did. It made their
bond stronger. So good job doing that, everyone. Uh. They
you wanted to do the opposite by discouraging or from
doing it, but it actually brought them closer together because
they were being judged so much, which you know, Uh,
of course that happens, but we don't think it would
h When we came back, the heat died down, We
went to my parents and they came around, so okay,

(01:08:38):
so they kind of separated a little bit, then they
came back together, and then by the time all the
speculation and the massive attention of around it died down,
she went to her parents. Her parents were like, actually,
we really like him, and then all the wine moms
were still not convinced. But you know what, it doesn't
even matter because it's already over. It's already over, but
fuck them, it's over. And so that's she says. She

(01:08:59):
literally it's over. So of course the next part is
about someone different. So now she literally says, now I'm dressing. Now, Okay,
we're now. So I don't understand why people were so
amazed that they figured out the crack, the code that
she's talking about Travis. Now now I'm dancing in my
dress in the sun. And even my daddy just loves him.
We know her dad loves Travis. I'm his lady. And
oh my god, you should see your faces. Look at

(01:09:20):
your faces. Now, you thought you thought I was gonna
end up with that guy, and you're so worried. And
when I when it looked like I was maybe gonna
marry him, you guys were so shocked. You look at
your dumb faces. Then now look at your faces. That
guy you were worried about, he's so long gone. And
now I'm with the most desirable person imaginable. I'm America's
sweetheart with America's other sweetheart, and we were on the
football field kissing. Look at your fucking faces. Was I

(01:09:41):
a mastermind and in control of my life the whole time? Yes?
Did I maybe not know it at times? Yes? But
did you have any say? Does your say have any
Did it affect why I decided to leave or go. No,
it didn't. I was gonna be okay the whole time.
Stop your meddling. And now look at you, you all
eat crow motherfuckers, because you were judging my judgment. You

(01:10:05):
know which I think could be a tailor swift lyric.
You were judging my judgment, and my judgment is spot
on because look who I'm with. Now, Look who I'm with.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Know everyone, even the biggest naysayers and the saboteurs and
the town halls, are all agreeing that this is just
a perfect partnership. Everyone's rooting for Travis and Taylor. And
boy did she turn someone that no one was rooting
for into someone that everyone is. And guess what, you
can't come to the wedding. You're not invited because you
didn't trust me before. You're not a real friend. And no,

(01:10:34):
you can't come to my wedding. Get out of it.
You're not You're not gonna be invited. Her telling us
we can't come to the wedding bold and I like it.
I like it. I shouldn't be at your I should
be at your wedding because I believed in you all along.
But of course I don't feel entitled to go to
your wedding, and there are some things that now you
don't get to. You don't get to. Now, just celebrate,
be on this parade, float with me of life, like yeah,

(01:10:58):
you you doubt to me before you judge me when
and you only judge me because you wanted to cage me,
and you're probably gonna end up caging me again. So
I'm gonna do this. This relationship will probably be judged
in some way as well, which it has been, you know,
like she can't trust.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Us, I feel you Love Story walked so but Daddy,
I love him could run.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
That's what people are saying. And I didn't make the connection,
and but it's undoubtedly there right, Like but daddy, my
dad is you know, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
It's such a more mature version of it, Like Love
Story feels like the literal teenage version of like you're
not going to let me datum what? So I'm grounded
And this one's like I'm having his.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Child like yes, oh yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, but it still feels youthful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
To me in some ways of like the but daddy,
I love him, because it's such a thing you say
if you're young, Like there's a lot of homages to
just teenage angst in this like young hormonal teenage girl angst.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I also think it's like reflective of relationships in general,
where you, regardless of your age, do you need to
date the guy. You can't listen to other people who
tell you you can't date him, You need to go
through yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
It never works, It just makes you want them more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I like how she calls him me and my wild
boy and all this wild joy because you look at
her and Travis, and it is he's a wild boy.
And look at that he is such wild joy, such
wild joy around him. He seems like such a happy person. Yes,
And you know she says it about both of them.
He was chaos, he was revelry. They both are chaos
and revelry, you know, like she said that about the
first guy, and she said it about Travis too, And

(01:12:32):
I love I love that echo. He was chaos, he
was revelry. And then something very interesting I find musically
at the end, so we all know, the chorus is
like and I'm running with my dress on button screaming,
but daddy, I love him. I'm having his baby. No
I'm not, but you should see your faces. And then
at the very end she's like, uh, she says, screaming,
but daddy, I love him. I'm having his baby. No

(01:12:56):
I'm not. When she does that, no I'm not and
the music fucking cuts out is probably my favorite moment
in Anny Taylors song ever, baby, No I'm not. But
uh no, sorry that was the wrong one. I'm I'm
having his baby. I'm having his baby. No I'm not,
but but but but you should say your faces. I

(01:13:17):
love how different she she makes that course a totally
different melody at the very end, it's brilliant and just
everyone go back right now and revisit No I'm not,
and it's it reminds me of August. When the crescendo
in August, that's like I have to pull it up.
But there's a moment in August where it's like boom
and it like hits, and it's just like, uh, let

(01:13:40):
me pull it up, because I really want to make
the connection of these two songs. August and this song
both make me feel like I'm flying and like I'm
running in a field flying and back when we were
still changing for the butter, that's not the part. But
she goes, Uh you remember mine? Oh remember when she

(01:14:00):
goes back when I was living for the hope of all,
for the hope, meet me behind the mall. And then
it cuts out and it goes Remember when I pulled
up said get in the car and then cancel that canceled.
That is the same kind of triumphant thing. That's like, no,
I'm not boom. I love it. It is such a
Tailor Swift signature, uh musical moment, and I'm obsessed. I'm

(01:14:21):
obsessed with this song. I fucking can't even take it.
We are not gonna get through the whole album because
I have to go. But let's just keep going as
until we run out and then we'll do a second partner. Okay.
Next up is uh Fresh out of the Slammer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I love Fresh Out the Slammer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I really like it too. It's not one of my
faves just yet, but I do like it, and I
know that it's one that's gonna grow on me a lot.
Why what do you love about it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
The rhythm Fresh out the Slammer? Like know who my
call first will be? Too? Like how like just slow
it is? But then when the verse it picks up
buta like, I just love it. I just love that.
You don't know what she's gonna say next the imagery
she's painting like another.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Ye, another summer. Oh that that's ruling Donna. He don't
understand me. Oh, yes, you're right, Dinna, Donna, Donna. I
really like that verse.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I also love the pre chorus where she's like giving
us information and clues about why this relationship was so
important because she was under the spell of someone else.
It's like a prison. She only gets one hour of
sunlight a day, like prisoners can only leave for one
hour a day, Like she was handcuffed to that spell.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Oh, I thought she just got out of prison, Like
she's not going back. I thought she was, Like she's
not like taking a break on the prison yard. She's
like out of the Slammer. She just got released.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, but it's a metaphor for her. The Slammer is
her previous relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I like, so this is she's talking about getting out
of Joe and then running to Maddie. Is this what
we're talking about this one?

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Yes? But like I loved how she was Like when
I was in prison, I only got one hour of sunshine,
Like I did my best in that relationship. I only
got one hour of sunshine, like the positives would pop
up every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
But oh I didn't see that for just one hour
of sunshine, I didn't see that lyric. Yeah, okay, I
got it. Oh yes, So while she's in the slammer,
that's her life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Yes, yes, years of labor locks and gray.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
And blue and fights and tunnels, handcuffed tunnels is very London.
Handcuffed to the spell I was under for just one
hour of sunshine and that she's handcuffed to that bed
in that in the Fortnite video, years of labor locks
and ceilings in the shade of how he was feeling.
Oh so he's a depressed guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Yes, And I just love how like it's real. But
the years of labor locks in I'm sorry. I'm not
a good singer like you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
No, I just loved I couldn't lot do that joke.
I don't know why, but you are no bad thinger
at all. I just wanted to make people up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
No, I am like you're and you have a beautiful voice. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
No, no, I don't. I want to be clear. I
never judge anyone's voice. Like I want everyone to sing
any time, and you also are not off like you
have a good voice. So I'm not gonna say that myself.
But even if you weren't, I wouldn't care. Okay, but yeah,
I'm this is starting to grow on me now that
I'm looking at the lyrics with you and talking through it.
It's it's gonna be fun to revisit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yes, I just love it because it's there, like from
so Long London and this pre chorus like we're getting
the reasons it's and it's not like dramatic, you you know,
it's just sad. It's just like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
What about this camera flashes, welcome bashes, get the matches,
toss the ashes off the ledge. As I said in
my letters, now that I know better, I will never
lose my baby again. Okay, so they got back together.
She's really gonna try this time. My friends tried, but
I wouldn't hear it. Watched me daily disappearing. Okay, it's
getting bad again. For just one glimpse of his smile. Okay,
he's depressed. All those nights he kept me going, swirled
you into all of my poems. All those nights he

(01:17:58):
kept me going something's going on at night with him.
We don't know what, but maybe they're talking, maybe they
something else. Uh swirled you into all my poems is
one of my favorite lyrics of this album. Now we're
at the starting line. I did my time. Starting line.
Isn't that the name of the band that they listened
to with the Black Dog? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Let me just go to check where are you black Dog?
Because I think there's a band. Oh, my computer's being
so slow. Black Dog? Here we go. Sorry, someone cut
out this. Yeah, starting line. When someone plays the starting line, yeah,
that's the band. My tour manager knows the people in

(01:18:38):
the band, and he's like, oh my god, I know
the guy who just like woke up to him being
name checked in a Taylor's song, which is would be incredible.
Oh my god, my Google just crash. Okay, you know what,
This is a perfect time to wrap this up because
I have to go anyway. We are going to pick
up where we left off. We will start, we'll finish
the conversation about Fresh out the Slammer, and then we'll
get to the rest of the album. Here with no

(01:19:00):
Nora Hadidi. I hope you guys enjoyed this this is
so fun for me, Nora, I hope you had fun.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yes, absolutely. I mean I'm just like processing emotions, so
fun is like maybe not at the top of the list,
but I'm trying to have fun. But just really like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
This isn't like this really, this is like kind of
torturous for you, your tortured poet.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I guess I am. I'm a tortured poet like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Mother because this is like I just said to my friend,
I am like dating this album. Oh my god. This
was a line I had the other night to Anya,
like we are leaving one of the venues late at night,
and I had this like overwhelming feeling. You know that
feeling when you like are first crushing on someone and
you like are waiting to get their text and like
you can't wait to get away from your life so

(01:19:44):
you can go like text them and just like be
wrapped up in that. Yeah, I was feeling like that.
I was like, why am I? Why am I feeling
like I'm so I'm good to text a boy or
some like like a new boy, you know, like I'm
in a relationship. We're not like texting like flirty all night.
And and then I realized it was this album I
was it was feeling like I got to get to

(01:20:05):
go back into this like little fantasy world. It's been
really fun for me. I'm sorry it's not been fun
for you. And it's like been emotional. But like, does
do you like feeling like you're obviously working through maybe
a heartbreak of your own? Is this is it pulling
up feelings you don't didn't want to pull up? Or
is it like does it feel good?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I feel like from my life, I'm just so connected
to what she writes, Like I've been listening to her
since I was nineteen, and I'm thirty four, so the
emotional places I go to, like like I can access
through herself. No, I'm a year older than her. I'm
eighty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I'm thirty five. I keep telling people I'm thirty four.
It's crazy because this is the third time it's happened
this week. It's okay in denial about being thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Yeah, No, thirty five is great. Thirty five years older
than her. It's it's like I wish even though I
feel like we were born on the same day, you know, like,
but that's you obviously. Yeah, that's what I wanted to
say about the Red when I was like saying, we've
never got a message in a bottle, Like I'm kind
of unclear about what was on Red and what wasn't,
Like I kind of went through Red and speak now
and fearless with the re releases more than I did

(01:21:14):
with them because they all came out before. I was
a fan of Massive, you know, Swifty, So I sometimes
I'm unclear about the Yeah, I'm not a perfect Swifty
by any means, but no one is. But yeah, that's
that is. You've been through a lot with her, and
yes there's a lot of empathy going on. But the
good news is she's so fucking happy now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah, I'm so happy for her. She deserves it, so happy.
And I guess I feel a bit guilty for like
not understanding what she was really going through with Maddie,
Like I just genuinely thought it was like a flaying
and that she ended things with him, Like I wish
I was more empathetic to what she was going through honestly, how.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I was, like I felt it. Oh, And someone else
also called out and said, Nikki, remember when you said
that there was a sadness to some of her like,
even though she hits all of her marks and she's
perfect on stage, you could just send something you weren't wrong,
like you weren't wrong, and oh yeah, I said it
on the podcast. I said a bunch like and I
felt really bad saying that because I don't want to

(01:22:17):
ever accuse her of like me sensing something that isn't
professional in what she's doing, or like she wasn't amazing,
or that show somehow wasn't as good because she wasn't
I sense to sadness. That's not it at all, Like
she's always one hundred percent perfect. It was just I
sensed something, and I knew exactly what Maddie was exactly.
I have had Maddie's I know. I was one hundred

(01:22:41):
percent for it, one hundred percent for maybe two on board.
I was so on board that Chris made a shirt
that said Team Mattie that he wore to the Chicago
show in early July. It's a team Maddie on the back,
because I had convinced him that, like everyone's so mad
at her, but fuck them, let her do whatever she wants,
and so it was hilarious. Now you can't wear that,
even though it was really a funny shirt he made,

(01:23:01):
but the front of it was really cool too. But
uh yeah, so I've I've always been I just I.
And you know again that that thing that we all
were like, what is she doing was a response to
this thing we all were mourning the loss of too,
Like her breaking up with Joe's hard on me as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yes, because we've invested, like I said, reputation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Love, like we were never gonna be okay with Matt,
Like people were never gonna because he was just the
next thing. And we're like, it's not Joe, it's like
chill out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Also, like Maddie's like a public idiot, like he says
things that can be like offensive and hurt, actually hurt
people's feelings, but he's not aware, like and we're just
used to her being so aware of her fans and
a can can no share.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
What you shared with me about Maddie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Oh my god, wait when we were in Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
No, didn't you say, were you the one that just
told me that you were like getting kind of horny
for him? Or you can see it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Oh my god, Yes, I'm so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Join the club I've been in that club for a while,
like a while, and I don't see why everyone isn't.
I mean, I feel like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I only found out. I've never seen him on stage,
never heard his music. I saw this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Oh his music was so good. I'm so into it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah that's the thing. And I only found out about
him when it was like all the backlash from the
podcast he was doing. So I was like, not invested
in this guy. And all I knew about him was
he was dating Queen Taylor, who nobody deserves and also
just like talking shit online. So I was like, who
is this guy? But yesterday, like I told you, I
got high and then I started watching his music and

(01:24:41):
his like videos on YouTube and Instagram, and I was like,
this guy is hot, Like yes, this guy like good
sing and his lyrics, he's he's Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
He's like, there's a swift vibe. There's a lot of
emotions going on, great lyrics, great vibes. Every song sounds different,
they're a they're amazing. He's amazing. I get it. I
get it. And he's a flawed person. Obviously he hurt
our friend, but I think she would even still say
he's great at music. And I definitely think she would
still agree that he's hot, like or there was a

(01:25:13):
sexual appeal to him. She would not be mad at
us for agreeing with her. And we're saying that just supportively.
Yeah and so yeah, anyway, we have to end this.
I love everyone that listened and made it this far
in this over an hour and a half podcast. Thank
you so much for listening, Nora, thank you for being here,
and we'll see you next time on this swifty special
edition of the Niki Laser Podcast. Swiftly out