January 16, 2023 • 33 mins
Throughout “1883”, “1923”, and “Yellowstone” we meet seven generations of Duttons. So how does everyone connect? Jefferson and Jen map out the Dutton lineage starting with James and Margaret Dutton who first settled on the patch of Montana land that later became the Yellowstone Ranch.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the official Yellowstone Podcast. It's
Jefferson White here. I am joined as always by my
incomparable co host Jen Landon. Hey, Hey, we are so
so glad to have you with us today. As we've
been talking about three shows now eighteen eighty three, nineteen
twenty three and Yellowstone, you and I have done a
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lot of research genealogy. We've been learning right alongside the fans,
how these characters relate to each other, how this history
really plays out. There's such a rich lore with this family.
So stand by, we're gonna be right back, and then
we're going to dig into it. You know, we we
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took an embarrassingly long time sort of putting together the
basics of the family tree, and it's been so fun
to kind of look forward look back, especially when it
comes to nineteen twenty three, because we know Dutton's before that,
we know Dutton's after that. So today we're going to
kind of dig into how it all fits together and
what has really kept this family going, what has really
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driven this family. So to that end, Jen and I
thought that it might be fun to have somebody to
chap this up with, and maybe somebody who's got a
better eagles eye perspective on all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I mean some of you may have caught us
referring to our beloved producer, mister Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, they may also may not have caught us
referring to Scott, because he is in charge of this
whole thing. He's in charge of what stays in the
podcast and what gets cut out. So it's also entirely
possible that he's remained a mystery. He's protected his identity
much like a sort of Batman style figure. Scott, thank
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you so much for being here. Man. You've been here
from the beginning of this thing. You are you are
a part not only of the DNA, of this podcast,
but also of the whole Yellowstone universe. You've been helping
us figure this out from the beginning. Anytime Jen and I,
you know, have questions about this stuff, you always are
here to help us through it. So thank you so
much for being with us today and for being with
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us on this journey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it. You know. Just to clarify,
I'm not the no all authority on Yellowstone being part
of the inner circle here, so to speak. We only
know what the fans know. We don't necessarily know what's
going on in that mind of Taylor Sheridan. A lot
of it's still a mystery, so we unpack as we go.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's what's so exciting about this whole process. You know,
as the show is airing, we are learning this mythology
as it goes, like from episode to episode, we are
right alongside the audience kind of putting together this family
t Okay. So right now we are lucky to live
in the age of Yellowstone. There's three shows that we
are drawing from this mythology from. So we've got eighteen
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eighty three, we've got nineteen twenty three, and we've got Yellowstone,
and we are piecing together this map of the Dutton
family's journey from all three of those shows.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Before we begin, just want to give a little bit
of a spoiler alert for our audience, for anyone who
hasn't seen, you know, all of any of these shows,
and the one in particular I'm worried about is nineteen
twenty three. Since it is currently airing, there might be
some spoilers as we go through this family tree, so
just you know, turn the volume down when we get there.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, if you haven't seen these shows yet, I encourage
you to go watch them because they are amazing and
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them. So
if you haven't checked them out yet, go check them
out and then come back and comment on this podcast
with everything we got wrong. So beginning at the beginning
eighteen eighty three, we are introduced to the very first
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Dutton's chronologically that we've ever met, and that's James Dutton,
Tim McGraw and Margaret Dutton, Faith Hill, Jeffy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
If I can just say, James Dutton, that is a
bad man. Yeah, that is that dude. And I when
I first saw this guy, it was really funny because
you see him basically being attacked by these bandits and
Sam Elliott and La Monica Garrett are sitting on a
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hill and they see him and they're just watching. They're
talking about this farmer. They called him a farmer. But
yet this guy gets off his horse and he is
like the og sniper. He snipes these guys. And I'm
thinking to myself, that's a bad dude. That's the DNA.
That's like where this all comes from with this Dutton family.
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Wouldn't you say, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Over time we see the Duttons take on more responsibility
and become perhaps more civilized. But James Dutton Tim McGraw,
he starts from a wild place. You know, we learned
over the actions of eighteen eighty three that he served
in the Civil War. He has this background as a soldier,
which so many of the Duttons do, as they're haunted
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across generations by violence. And this is it's prior to
perhaps the civilization or the sort of comfort that later
generations of Duttons will come to know. So James and
Margaret are tough as hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The women behind this really show through, and you know
they're first born. Is this most incredible woman you could
ever imagine?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Absolutely? Yeah, Elsa herself their daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know, it's interesting because everybody that talks about the
Duttons talks about the men, the men, the Dutton family,
but it's the women that are the strength behind the buttons.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean, I feel like, unfortunately that's how the conversation
goes across the board. In all areas of life that
the focus does.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Tend to be.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, I'm the dude and the woman usually gets
short changed. But there are many instances where, you know,
when there is a more traditional model where the man
is more of the you know, doer in the world,
there is almost always a woman who's holding him together
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with super glue and some plaster.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, as we're talking about, you know, these ancestors, John
Dutton's ancestors, we have to remember that we're also talking
about Beth Dutton's ancestors. We're also talking about this long
line of women who, by the time we meet the
Duttons have come down to Beth, to this absolute force
of nature holding the Dutton ranch together with sheer force
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of will. You know, So everyone we're talking about today
is also Beth's ancestors.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I wonder if Taylor picked up on a piece of
that in like that being a part of the conversation
around eighteen eighty three, because in nineteen twenty three, one
of the things that I love is that even though
that show comes out obviously it's the next season, it's
set roughly forty years later. It is the same generation
as the James and Margaret Dutton that we had gotten
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to know in eighteen eighty three, And the first image
we get is not Jacob Dutton being a badass, but
it's Kara Dutton Helen Mirren who's got that first moment
that sort of sets the tone for the piece, And
in many ways, she feels like she feels positioned more
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the way Beth, the way the Beth character does to
me in terms of her own mission and drive.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Absolutely yeah. And there's this sort of recurring theme that
as the men go out and take care of the cattle,
often the ranch comes under asault, and the people left
to defend the ranch, the sort of toughest, last line,
scrappiest sort of defenders of the ranch are the women
who are staying at home and holding the whole thing together.
You know, as Kevin Costner goes out to be the
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governor of Montana, it's a good thing. Beth's home. As
Jacob Dutton goes out to do this cattle drive, it's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Kara Dun the casting obviously, it's like, what it's a
no brainer. You get an opportunity of Helen marrin, you're
gonna take it. But her essence is so not that
of the diminutive female that she just brings that fearce
independence to every single piece that she does.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Absolutely yeah. So starting you know, at the beginning, starting
in eighteen eighty three, we've got obviously James and Margaret,
that's Tim and faith for those of us, you know,
for their close personal friends. They've got their daughter, Elsa,
and they've also got two kids. So the only character
that man to survive from the action of eighteen eighty
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three to the action of nineteen twenty three is John
Dutton Senior. God bless him. He hung on for those
intervening forty difficult, hard, hard fought years, Jeff just to clarify.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So in eighteen eighty three, we see them coming across
the country. They're on their way to Oregon. They get
to Montana, Elsa passes. They have this, you know, they
have this deal. Where she dies is where she stays,
where we all stay, where we set roots in our family.
And this is something that Margaret and James decided because
Margaret said on the truck, I don't want her to
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be a signpost on the side of a trail where
she dies we stay. I don't know if you guys
remember that, but it was very poignant. So they get
to Montana and I can't talk about this. I'm talking
about the relationship between James Dutton and Elsa. I mean,
talk about a father daughter relationship. That was just heart
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wrenching to me, the sensitivity this guy had. The he's
this bad dude, as I said earlier, but yet with
his daughter, he's just a little you know, he crumbles
and he just does everything for her and it's just
a really amazing dynamic. But going forward, they actually have
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a second son, and it's during this time right after
the show eighteen eighty three, but before nineteen twenty three,
and that is Spencer Dutton. So James and Margaret have
three children in total. Also who passes John Dutton who
we see in eighteen eighty three, and then Spencer Dutton,
who we get introduced to in nineteen twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, and who we see as a child in Yellowstone
season four's flashbacks. So Yellowstone season four has these two
flashbacks where we're first introduced to James and Margaret, and
at that time we're all so introduced for the first
time to not only John but to the young boy Spencer. Yes, exactly, Yeah,
And you're totally right that that relationship, the relationship between
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James and Elsa is such a beautiful father daughter relationship
and it's amazing to watch the evolution of that over
the years, which leads up to the relationship between John Dutton,
Kevin Costner and Beth Dutton. Another relationship between a man
and his daughter, another sort of partnership between a man
and his daughter that that's really beautiful in the Modernay.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Totally, And I know we hit on this before, but
just because now we've sort of moved into that next generation,
the one that has John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, Elsa, But
now in this nineteen twenty three world, I want to
look at how Kara and Jacob came. And we'll do
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that after we take a quick break. Okay, So we
meet and spend time with James Dutton in eighteen eighty three.
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We see in season four of Yellowstone in a flashback
that he is shot, that James is shot in the gut,
and in the first episode of nineteen twenty three we
hear Elsa talk about the passing of her father, which
is I just have to say, such amazing storytelling in
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terms of having the brain space to reveal pieces over
three different shows. So now that we're here, we can
kind of get into the Kara Dutton and the Jacob
Dutton and how they got to the Dutton Ranch that
we have come to know in Love on Yellowstone. So
we know that James Dutton has passed away, right. We
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know in the first episode of nineteen ten twenty three
that Margaret writes a letter to James's brother, Jacob Dutton
played by Harrison Ford, asking him to come and help
out on the ranch. So he and his wife Kara,
they come to the Dutton They arrive at the Dutton
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ranch only to find Margaret Dutton frozen to death and
their two sons, John Dutton Senior, who we got to
know in eighteen eighty three and Spencer Dutton, who we
have not met yet, nearly starved to death and take
those boys in for their own that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So by the time we get to the action of
nineteen twenty three, those boys have grown up. John Dutton
Senior is you know, he's forty five years old now. Spencer,
his little brother, is over in Africa, sort of haunted
by his own demons. It's interesting as we talk about
generations of this family, we're also talking about American history.
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So James Dutton, Tim McGraw served in the Civil War,
Answer Dutton served in World War one, and then Casey
Dutton in the Action of Yellowstone. We learn over the
Action of Yellowstone that he served overseas too, So it
really is also kind of war has haunted this family
over generations, just as it's haunted the whole world. You
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know that these global conflicts continue to sort of pull
young men from their homes and thrust them into the
mouth of hell, as it were.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, which begs the question, there is a time period
between nineteen twenty three and present day. Are we going
to get to see what happens in there? Who is
the predecessor to John Dutton as we know him today,
Who are his what is his exact lineage?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Do me know that that's a complicated question, Scott. I
think we're piecing that together slowly as more information is
revealed in nineteen twenty three, and I've seen some really
great theories on social media. I've seen fans work to
piece that together. You know, we hear in the opening
voiceover narration of nineteen twenty three, you know that only
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one of Elsa's father's children live long enough to see
their children grow up, which is remarkably evocative, but also,
you know, mysterious linguistication.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It feels like a riddle. It feels like one of
those riddles that you would sit around and think about.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, I know Jen has been cultivating this and mulling
this over because we've talked about this a couple times.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And I love when I'm gonna. I love when we
all find out that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So your theory, Jin, talk us through your theory.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So and again, let's like really check what Elsa says.
My father had two sons, right, only one of them.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Will live to see theirs.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Grown, meaning only one of those two sons. Is it
is that roughly correct, we'll live to see their own
son grow, right?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And I think the problem you have with that has
been what has grown means?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Right? This is where it starts to feel like, well,
like for me, my thought is okay, but we know
that we lose John Dutton Sr. Right, And you might
have this moment where you're like, yay, this means Spencer
Dutton lives, and which is very exciting because we all
like Spencer Dutton because he's cool in every way possible.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He's really cool. We have to all it cool. Let's
just spend a second talking about perhaps the coolest Dutton
we've met, with all due respect the other Dutton, Spencer Spencer's.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He's a cool Dutton. And also because he's giving off.
I don't know if any of you pick us up
like soft Harrison form Indiana Jones vibes, you know, like
immediately when you look at him, it feels like a
nod at that, which I hope was intentional because I
thought it was so smart.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
The clothes, you know, the costume design. Spencer's costume design
really seems to pay homage to get our boy, Harrison
Ford's Obscure film Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Listen, we're digressing, and I'm gonna digress from one more
second because when we when we meet the Alexandra character,
I just have to say, in terms of taking costumes
that are homages to other characters and movies that we love,
I mean she also just like the second I looked
at her, I thought it's Meryl streep in Out of Africa,
you know, just down to I mean, just her physicality
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and everything. But to go back, guys, so John doesn't
Senior dies, We think, yay, we get to keep Spencer Dutton.
He's going to be with us for a while, and
then you go, wait a minute, she said, only one
of them lives to see there's grown. We know that
John didn't see her. You has a son, Jack Dutton,
and Jack Dutton is getting married.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You just you know, you soft rolled us into a
whole new generation of Dutton's here. So John Dutton Senior,
who passes away in episode three of nineteen twenty three violently,
as is often the way with our Duttons, has a son,
Jack Dutton, and that brings us You know that that's
our youngest generation of Dutton's in nineteen twenty three. So
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the question that we're sort of caught up on here
is in terms of Elsa's you know, foreboding prophecy or prologue,
is that the grown Dutton child, thus implying that Spencer
also doesn't live to see his children gown.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, that's an interesting thought because we know later on
Yellowstone we're using the name John, which would imply it's
coming from the John Dutton senior lineage, or is it?
You know, you take a look at Jack Dutton and
it's funny because I don't feel Dutton from Jack Dutton.
Where does the lineage go? Does Spencer have children with
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alexand Andre is it Alexandra we know now that he
finally finds out what's going on back home. And I mean,
I don't know about you guys, but what a scene
like Taylor pulls on heartstrings?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, and also just you hit on a thing that
is to say, like again, the lineage of the Duttons
that we see in Yellowstone can absolutely come from Jack
or Spencer. Spencer's according to Elsa's as you said, Jeff, prologuer,
premonition or whatever it is, absolutely can have kids. He
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could have ten kids, but he will not see any
of them grow up. Oh, is that what you're taking
from thee because as you were saying that, because I
wasn't thinking that a moment ago, but as you were talking,
there's absolutely no version of that. The thing that els
has said, he can have a ton of kids, but
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according to the prophecy, the only rule is he will not.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Live to see those kids grow up.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So the mystery remains, which son and uh, Scott, to
your point about Jack, though, I mean, he's such a
fun character. I do also I do agree that I
feel like the Spencer Dutton stoicism is sort of Jeff,
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You're making a face. Am I own tricky territory here? Well?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
No, I mean I just I won't. I won't stand
for Jack Dunnet. I am not under Jack Dutton.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think the young man, the Jack Dutton character, I'm
not sure like how his recklessness is going to play
out for his survival in the long run.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, you know, it's interesting because in the world of Yellowstone,
you guys talked about many times, we don't know who's
going to survive and who's not. You know, we're introduced
to John Dutton Senior, and and I'm looking at this
and I'm looking at this character, amazing character. I'm thinking, Okay,
here we go. Here's what would typically happen. This man
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grows older, he's the firstborn son, he's going to take
over the ranch. Dude gets killed. Yeah, I mean, who
would expect that. It's just it's it's a It's again,
it's an ongoing theme within Yellowstone. You don't know who's
gonna die, and people die.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, we got to learn the lesson. We got to
learn the Lee Dutton lesson. Taylor showed us Lee Dutton
the sort of eldest son, the promised heir to the throne,
in episode one of Yellowstone, and then he ripped us,
you know, he ripped him away. He stole Dave Annabel
from us, in the same way that he's now stolen
this James Badgdale performance. Because James Badge Dale or you
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know GBD, if you're freaky, that's an incredible character actor.
And to have that performance robbed from us, I'll never
forgive Taylor for that. But also, you know, great decision, boss,
really good storytelling, great TV.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
All Right, so we've moved, we're on this. We're kind
of mixing generations here. We're at the John Dutton, Spencer Dutton,
and John Dutton's son, Jack Dutton, and I just want
to take a moment here because we started off the
show with a thema talking about the women behind them.
I would like to take a moment to talk about
or just maybe give a shout out to Emma Dutton,
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who's played by Marley Shelton, an actress I worked with
years ago I am obsessed with. We have Alexandra, who
Spencer meets in Africa and that seems to be this
sort of world opening experience for him. And then we
have Elizabeth Strafford, who Jack Dutton is marrying. So I'm
excited to see how all of these women play out
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in this world in collaborating with these men and building lives.
And so we're going to take a quick break, and
when we come back, we are going to dive into
the generations of Dutton's that we first came to know
and love, which is the Dutton's on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, a little bit earlier, Jent I was giving
Spencer Dutton his flowers, you know, I was, I was
giving big ups to Spencer Dutton because he's cool. We
love him, we love you know, he's He's clearly an
amazing sort of intrepid adventurer. But I would be remiss
not to mention the O G. Casey Dutt. Yeah, Casey
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Dutton to me seems like such a clear descendant of Spencer.
And this is we're going into pure speculation, but I
can't help but feel Spencer Dutton's DNA coursing through Casey
Dutton's veins.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I totally feel that as well.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And the same way that that Spencer Dutton sort of
remind me of Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. And again,
this movie has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It, but.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Casey always gives me Brad Pitt vibes from what's the
what do you know the movie I'm talking about Legends
of the Fall.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Brad Pitt gives me Luke Grimes vibe.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I would agree with that one hundred percent, all.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Right, so I'll agree. Casey Dutton awesome guy. I mean,
he's one of my favorite characters. He this dude again
goes back. I know you want to relate him more
to Spenser, but he's a James I mean right, he's
in his gilly suit and he's a sniper too, by
the way. But before that, you know, where do we
get to John Dutton? If you guys remember in season two,
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there's a scene of John Dutton, our John Dutton sitting
with his father. Oh yeah, John Dutton the second and
that's when he actually promises to never sell the ranch.
He made an promise, which is the ongoing theme that
we see. But so we've got this generation. We know
that somewhere between nineteen twenty three and current Yellowstone we
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now are into the John Dutton's. We don't know where
it comes from, but we've got this stoic character, Kevin Costner,
John Dutton, who is how do I even explain him.
I mean, he's the godfather of it all. But as
we see, he's also struggling with the modernization of what's happening.
As we saw in nineteen twenty three, you know, we
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go from eighteen eighty three everything's horse drawn. You see
in nineteen twenty three we go into the city and
there's cars. So what's next and where are we at now?
It's almost like we're in this new evolution of Yellowstone
as well. That's happening.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So John Dutton Senior, we get
to know his kids in episode one of Yellowstone, the
very first episode of the show, we get to know
all four of John and Evelyn's children. That's their oldest son,
Lee Dutton. You got Jamie Dutton, middle child Beth Dutton,
and then the youngest, Casey Dutton. Now we tragically lose
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Lee Dutton in episode one of Yellowstone. This ranch has
fed and sustained the Dutton family for generations, but it's
also cost many of them their lives in a violent
in a violent way. So not only are we introduced
to John Dutton's kids, but over the action of Yellowstone,
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we're introduced to his grandson Tate Dutton.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Now tell me if I'm wrong the Tate is the
seventh generation, and I'll explain what I'm referring to, which
the sort of premonition at the end of eighteen eighty
three when the Native American chief says, in seven generations,
my people will rise up and take it back from you,
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and James says, in seven generations, you can have it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, and it's a fascinating thing. You know, we've we've
been focusing on the Dutton family and talking about the
Dutton family, but there's another family at the very heart
of this show, and that is Thomas Rainwaters family, the
Rainwaters that go back not just seven generations, not just
eight generations, but deep, deep, deep into the history of
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this place.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know, ultimately we're going to probably get that reveal
of how this all, what the through line is. You know,
we've got other characters. We've us got Monica, who is
again not a true Dutton, she wasn't born to Dutton,
but in many ways stronger.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, you're really right to point out that Tait isn't
just the seventh generation of Dutton. He also comes from
another long tradition of family that's been here perhaps longer
than the Duttons. In Monica's family who you know, no
pun intended. Her maiden name is Long, her grandfather's name
is Felix Long. So there are many other character whose
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family ties to this region even pre date the Duttons,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And I wonder if in nineteen twenty three, some of
the characters that we are getting to know in the
Native American you know, quote quote unquote boarding schools, AKAA,
you know, eradication schools, if any of the characters are
meeting in that world are actually ancestors of the Native
American characters and storyline that we were seeing playing out
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in Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's TBD.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This is one of the really amazing things I think
about Taylor. There's a history here, but I think we
also Taylor is representing American history. But I also think
it's very important to always remember, as Taylor does and
includes here, that there's more than one history. There's there's
an idea of the West as written by you know,
by the victors, some might say, or by the encroachers,
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by the sort of invaders that the Duttons themselves read
present to a certain extent, And then there's an even
older history as written by the native communities that far
predate the Duttons. So Taylor is sort of showing these
parallel histories and how they sometimes collide and come into conflict,
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and then perhaps in Tate, how they sometimes also come
into alignment.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Well, you know, an interesting thought trailing on that we
go back to the seven generations. It goes back to
the indigenous people, the Native Americans. But in some way
you just brought a thought to the forefront of my mind.
Tait is half Native American, right, So is that is
it going back to them? And how do we bring
it in?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
In some ways that's always been my hunch, and because
we've also set up this one, I mean, this historical
relationship between you know, European settlers and Native Americans and
the wars that have broken up between them, and then
that war sort of being mimicked. Even in that first
episode of Yellowston between Monica and Casey with the killing
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of the brothers, right, that felt very Shakespearean. You know,
I just think of a you know, the is it
Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet who says like a curse
on both your houses or something, And then it feels
like Tate is the sort of, in a way, the
thing that would end that battle, because everybody in some
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way gets to hold on to it. I'm not speaking
very eloquently about it because it's something I feel like
I'm treading on slightly dangerous ground. But it does feel like,
doesn't it feel like to you guys, the sort of
merging of the worlds.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think it's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful idea
if Tate can hold on to it. One of the
enduring themes of Yellowstone is, hey, can this ranch last
long enough for Tate to inherit it? Or are these
encroaching forces from the outside gonna pit to pieces and
melt it down in the furnace of the modern American economics?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And they had like a random fantasy thought, right, we
think that Tate is the obvious, like that's who's going
to get it, because he's like, you know, he's dutton,
he's long.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
It's a nice little thing. But the prophecy is that
a goat.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know that the Chief seid in eighteen eighty three
that it will go back to his people. And there's
a world where I can imagine Tate going. I don't
want it like this thing has been a thing that
is so loaded. He is his father's son. His father
wants a simple life, and he goes, I don't want it,
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and it shifts hands.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
We're missing something.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
What are we missing?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
We're missing Jamie had a child. I know John doesn't
recognize him as a child anymore. But there's a sequence
with Beth and Jamie and he's talking about his son.
He talks about his son. So don't know where that's
going to go, but I just wanted to bring that
out there. There's this whole other unknown factor here.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That is an excellent point, Scott. The future of this ranch.
We've been diving into the past, the history of this ranch,
and we've been identifying certain unknowns. The future of this
ranch is shot through with unknowns, and I for one
cannot wait to find out what happens to this generation
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of Dutton's that we've come to know and love in
the Action of Yellowstone. So until next time, until we
have some more answers. Thank you guys so so much
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
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Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
See us soon.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The Official Yellowstone podcast is a production of one oh
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Baxter from Paramount, and of course David Glasser, David Hukin
and Michelle Newman from one oh one Studios.
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the official Yellowstone Podcast. It's
Jefferson White here. I am joined as always by my
incomparable co host Jen Landon. Hey, Hey, we are so
so glad to have you with us today. As we've
been talking about three shows now eighteen eighty three, nineteen
twenty three and Yellowstone, you and I have done a
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lot of research genealogy. We've been learning right alongside the fans,
how these characters relate to each other, how this history
really plays out. There's such a rich lore with this family.
So stand by, we're gonna be right back, and then
we're going to dig into it. You know, we we
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took an embarrassingly long time sort of putting together the
basics of the family tree, and it's been so fun
to kind of look forward look back, especially when it
comes to nineteen twenty three, because we know Dutton's before that,
we know Dutton's after that. So today we're going to
kind of dig into how it all fits together and
what has really kept this family going, what has really
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driven this family. So to that end, Jen and I
thought that it might be fun to have somebody to
chap this up with, and maybe somebody who's got a
better eagles eye perspective on all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I mean some of you may have caught us
referring to our beloved producer, mister Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, they may also may not have caught us
referring to Scott, because he is in charge of this
whole thing. He's in charge of what stays in the
podcast and what gets cut out. So it's also entirely
possible that he's remained a mystery. He's protected his identity
much like a sort of Batman style figure. Scott, thank
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you so much for being here. Man. You've been here
from the beginning of this thing. You are you are
a part not only of the DNA, of this podcast,
but also of the whole Yellowstone universe. You've been helping
us figure this out from the beginning. Anytime Jen and I,
you know, have questions about this stuff, you always are
here to help us through it. So thank you so
much for being with us today and for being with
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us on this journey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it. You know. Just to clarify,
I'm not the no all authority on Yellowstone being part
of the inner circle here, so to speak. We only
know what the fans know. We don't necessarily know what's
going on in that mind of Taylor Sheridan. A lot
of it's still a mystery, so we unpack as we go.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's what's so exciting about this whole process. You know,
as the show is airing, we are learning this mythology
as it goes, like from episode to episode, we are
right alongside the audience kind of putting together this family
t Okay. So right now we are lucky to live
in the age of Yellowstone. There's three shows that we
are drawing from this mythology from. So we've got eighteen
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eighty three, we've got nineteen twenty three, and we've got Yellowstone,
and we are piecing together this map of the Dutton
family's journey from all three of those shows.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Before we begin, just want to give a little bit
of a spoiler alert for our audience, for anyone who
hasn't seen, you know, all of any of these shows,
and the one in particular I'm worried about is nineteen
twenty three. Since it is currently airing, there might be
some spoilers as we go through this family tree, so
just you know, turn the volume down when we get there.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, if you haven't seen these shows yet, I encourage
you to go watch them because they are amazing and
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on them. So
if you haven't checked them out yet, go check them
out and then come back and comment on this podcast
with everything we got wrong. So beginning at the beginning
eighteen eighty three, we are introduced to the very first
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Dutton's chronologically that we've ever met, and that's James Dutton,
Tim McGraw and Margaret Dutton, Faith Hill, Jeffy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
If I can just say, James Dutton, that is a
bad man. Yeah, that is that dude. And I when
I first saw this guy, it was really funny because
you see him basically being attacked by these bandits and
Sam Elliott and La Monica Garrett are sitting on a
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hill and they see him and they're just watching. They're
talking about this farmer. They called him a farmer. But
yet this guy gets off his horse and he is
like the og sniper. He snipes these guys. And I'm
thinking to myself, that's a bad dude. That's the DNA.
That's like where this all comes from with this Dutton family.
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Wouldn't you say, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Over time we see the Duttons take on more responsibility
and become perhaps more civilized. But James Dutton Tim McGraw,
he starts from a wild place. You know, we learned
over the actions of eighteen eighty three that he served
in the Civil War. He has this background as a soldier,
which so many of the Duttons do, as they're haunted
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across generations by violence. And this is it's prior to
perhaps the civilization or the sort of comfort that later
generations of Duttons will come to know. So James and
Margaret are tough as hell. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The women behind this really show through, and you know
they're first born. Is this most incredible woman you could
ever imagine?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Absolutely? Yeah, Elsa herself their daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know, it's interesting because everybody that talks about the
Duttons talks about the men, the men, the Dutton family,
but it's the women that are the strength behind the buttons.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean, I feel like, unfortunately that's how the conversation
goes across the board. In all areas of life that
the focus does.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Tend to be.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, I'm the dude and the woman usually gets
short changed. But there are many instances where, you know,
when there is a more traditional model where the man
is more of the you know, doer in the world,
there is almost always a woman who's holding him together
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with super glue and some plaster.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, as we're talking about, you know, these ancestors, John
Dutton's ancestors, we have to remember that we're also talking
about Beth Dutton's ancestors. We're also talking about this long
line of women who, by the time we meet the
Duttons have come down to Beth, to this absolute force
of nature holding the Dutton ranch together with sheer force
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of will. You know, So everyone we're talking about today
is also Beth's ancestors.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I wonder if Taylor picked up on a piece of
that in like that being a part of the conversation
around eighteen eighty three, because in nineteen twenty three, one
of the things that I love is that even though
that show comes out obviously it's the next season, it's
set roughly forty years later. It is the same generation
as the James and Margaret Dutton that we had gotten
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to know in eighteen eighty three, And the first image
we get is not Jacob Dutton being a badass, but
it's Kara Dutton Helen Mirren who's got that first moment
that sort of sets the tone for the piece, And
in many ways, she feels like she feels positioned more
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the way Beth, the way the Beth character does to
me in terms of her own mission and drive.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Absolutely yeah. And there's this sort of recurring theme that
as the men go out and take care of the cattle,
often the ranch comes under asault, and the people left
to defend the ranch, the sort of toughest, last line,
scrappiest sort of defenders of the ranch are the women
who are staying at home and holding the whole thing together.
You know, as Kevin Costner goes out to be the
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governor of Montana, it's a good thing. Beth's home. As
Jacob Dutton goes out to do this cattle drive, it's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Kara Dun the casting obviously, it's like, what it's a
no brainer. You get an opportunity of Helen marrin, you're
gonna take it. But her essence is so not that
of the diminutive female that she just brings that fearce
independence to every single piece that she does.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Absolutely yeah. So starting you know, at the beginning, starting
in eighteen eighty three, we've got obviously James and Margaret,
that's Tim and faith for those of us, you know,
for their close personal friends. They've got their daughter, Elsa,
and they've also got two kids. So the only character
that man to survive from the action of eighteen eighty
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three to the action of nineteen twenty three is John
Dutton Senior. God bless him. He hung on for those
intervening forty difficult, hard, hard fought years, Jeff just to clarify.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So in eighteen eighty three, we see them coming across
the country. They're on their way to Oregon. They get
to Montana, Elsa passes. They have this, you know, they
have this deal. Where she dies is where she stays,
where we all stay, where we set roots in our family.
And this is something that Margaret and James decided because
Margaret said on the truck, I don't want her to
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be a signpost on the side of a trail where
she dies we stay. I don't know if you guys
remember that, but it was very poignant. So they get
to Montana and I can't talk about this. I'm talking
about the relationship between James Dutton and Elsa. I mean,
talk about a father daughter relationship. That was just heart
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wrenching to me, the sensitivity this guy had. The he's
this bad dude, as I said earlier, but yet with
his daughter, he's just a little you know, he crumbles
and he just does everything for her and it's just
a really amazing dynamic. But going forward, they actually have
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a second son, and it's during this time right after
the show eighteen eighty three, but before nineteen twenty three,
and that is Spencer Dutton. So James and Margaret have
three children in total. Also who passes John Dutton who
we see in eighteen eighty three, and then Spencer Dutton,
who we get introduced to in nineteen twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, and who we see as a child in Yellowstone
season four's flashbacks. So Yellowstone season four has these two
flashbacks where we're first introduced to James and Margaret, and
at that time we're all so introduced for the first
time to not only John but to the young boy Spencer. Yes, exactly, Yeah,
And you're totally right that that relationship, the relationship between
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James and Elsa is such a beautiful father daughter relationship
and it's amazing to watch the evolution of that over
the years, which leads up to the relationship between John Dutton,
Kevin Costner and Beth Dutton. Another relationship between a man
and his daughter, another sort of partnership between a man
and his daughter that that's really beautiful in the Modernay.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Totally, And I know we hit on this before, but
just because now we've sort of moved into that next generation,
the one that has John Dutton, Spencer Dutton, Elsa, But
now in this nineteen twenty three world, I want to
look at how Kara and Jacob came. And we'll do
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that after we take a quick break. Okay, So we
meet and spend time with James Dutton in eighteen eighty three.
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We see in season four of Yellowstone in a flashback
that he is shot, that James is shot in the gut,
and in the first episode of nineteen twenty three we
hear Elsa talk about the passing of her father, which
is I just have to say, such amazing storytelling in
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terms of having the brain space to reveal pieces over
three different shows. So now that we're here, we can
kind of get into the Kara Dutton and the Jacob
Dutton and how they got to the Dutton Ranch that
we have come to know in Love on Yellowstone. So
we know that James Dutton has passed away, right. We
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know in the first episode of nineteen ten twenty three
that Margaret writes a letter to James's brother, Jacob Dutton
played by Harrison Ford, asking him to come and help
out on the ranch. So he and his wife Kara,
they come to the Dutton They arrive at the Dutton
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ranch only to find Margaret Dutton frozen to death and
their two sons, John Dutton Senior, who we got to
know in eighteen eighty three and Spencer Dutton, who we
have not met yet, nearly starved to death and take
those boys in for their own that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So by the time we get to the action of
nineteen twenty three, those boys have grown up. John Dutton
Senior is you know, he's forty five years old now. Spencer,
his little brother, is over in Africa, sort of haunted
by his own demons. It's interesting as we talk about
generations of this family, we're also talking about American history.
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So James Dutton, Tim McGraw served in the Civil War,
Answer Dutton served in World War one, and then Casey
Dutton in the Action of Yellowstone. We learn over the
Action of Yellowstone that he served overseas too, So it
really is also kind of war has haunted this family
over generations, just as it's haunted the whole world. You
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know that these global conflicts continue to sort of pull
young men from their homes and thrust them into the
mouth of hell, as it were.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, which begs the question, there is a time period
between nineteen twenty three and present day. Are we going
to get to see what happens in there? Who is
the predecessor to John Dutton as we know him today,
Who are his what is his exact lineage?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Do me know that that's a complicated question, Scott. I
think we're piecing that together slowly as more information is
revealed in nineteen twenty three, and I've seen some really
great theories on social media. I've seen fans work to
piece that together. You know, we hear in the opening
voiceover narration of nineteen twenty three, you know that only
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one of Elsa's father's children live long enough to see
their children grow up, which is remarkably evocative, but also,
you know, mysterious linguistication.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It feels like a riddle. It feels like one of
those riddles that you would sit around and think about.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, I know Jen has been cultivating this and mulling
this over because we've talked about this a couple times.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And I love when I'm gonna. I love when we
all find out that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So your theory, Jin, talk us through your theory.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So and again, let's like really check what Elsa says.
My father had two sons, right, only one of them.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Will live to see theirs.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Grown, meaning only one of those two sons. Is it
is that roughly correct, we'll live to see their own
son grow, right?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And I think the problem you have with that has
been what has grown means?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Right? This is where it starts to feel like, well,
like for me, my thought is okay, but we know
that we lose John Dutton Sr. Right, And you might
have this moment where you're like, yay, this means Spencer
Dutton lives, and which is very exciting because we all
like Spencer Dutton because he's cool in every way possible.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
He's really cool. We have to all it cool. Let's
just spend a second talking about perhaps the coolest Dutton
we've met, with all due respect the other Dutton, Spencer Spencer's.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
He's a cool Dutton. And also because he's giving off.
I don't know if any of you pick us up
like soft Harrison form Indiana Jones vibes, you know, like
immediately when you look at him, it feels like a
nod at that, which I hope was intentional because I
thought it was so smart.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
The clothes, you know, the costume design. Spencer's costume design
really seems to pay homage to get our boy, Harrison
Ford's Obscure film Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Listen, we're digressing, and I'm gonna digress from one more
second because when we when we meet the Alexandra character,
I just have to say, in terms of taking costumes
that are homages to other characters and movies that we love,
I mean she also just like the second I looked
at her, I thought it's Meryl streep in Out of Africa,
you know, just down to I mean, just her physicality
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and everything. But to go back, guys, so John doesn't
Senior dies, We think, yay, we get to keep Spencer Dutton.
He's going to be with us for a while, and
then you go, wait a minute, she said, only one
of them lives to see there's grown. We know that
John didn't see her. You has a son, Jack Dutton,
and Jack Dutton is getting married.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You just you know, you soft rolled us into a
whole new generation of Dutton's here. So John Dutton Senior,
who passes away in episode three of nineteen twenty three violently,
as is often the way with our Duttons, has a son,
Jack Dutton, and that brings us You know that that's
our youngest generation of Dutton's in nineteen twenty three. So
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the question that we're sort of caught up on here
is in terms of Elsa's you know, foreboding prophecy or prologue,
is that the grown Dutton child, thus implying that Spencer
also doesn't live to see his children gown.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, that's an interesting thought because we know later on
Yellowstone we're using the name John, which would imply it's
coming from the John Dutton senior lineage, or is it?
You know, you take a look at Jack Dutton and
it's funny because I don't feel Dutton from Jack Dutton.
Where does the lineage go? Does Spencer have children with
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alexand Andre is it Alexandra we know now that he
finally finds out what's going on back home. And I mean,
I don't know about you guys, but what a scene
like Taylor pulls on heartstrings?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, and also just you hit on a thing that
is to say, like again, the lineage of the Duttons
that we see in Yellowstone can absolutely come from Jack
or Spencer. Spencer's according to Elsa's as you said, Jeff, prologuer,
premonition or whatever it is, absolutely can have kids. He
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could have ten kids, but he will not see any
of them grow up. Oh, is that what you're taking
from thee because as you were saying that, because I
wasn't thinking that a moment ago, but as you were talking,
there's absolutely no version of that. The thing that els
has said, he can have a ton of kids, but
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according to the prophecy, the only rule is he will not.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Live to see those kids grow up.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So the mystery remains, which son and uh, Scott, to
your point about Jack, though, I mean, he's such a
fun character. I do also I do agree that I
feel like the Spencer Dutton stoicism is sort of Jeff,
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You're making a face. Am I own tricky territory here? Well?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
No, I mean I just I won't. I won't stand
for Jack Dunnet. I am not under Jack Dutton.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think the young man, the Jack Dutton character, I'm
not sure like how his recklessness is going to play
out for his survival in the long run.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, you know, it's interesting because in the world of Yellowstone,
you guys talked about many times, we don't know who's
going to survive and who's not. You know, we're introduced
to John Dutton Senior, and and I'm looking at this
and I'm looking at this character, amazing character. I'm thinking, Okay,
here we go. Here's what would typically happen. This man
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grows older, he's the firstborn son, he's going to take
over the ranch. Dude gets killed. Yeah, I mean, who
would expect that. It's just it's it's a It's again,
it's an ongoing theme within Yellowstone. You don't know who's
gonna die, and people die.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, we got to learn the lesson. We got to
learn the Lee Dutton lesson. Taylor showed us Lee Dutton
the sort of eldest son, the promised heir to the throne,
in episode one of Yellowstone, and then he ripped us,
you know, he ripped him away. He stole Dave Annabel
from us, in the same way that he's now stolen
this James Badgdale performance. Because James Badge Dale or you
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know GBD, if you're freaky, that's an incredible character actor.
And to have that performance robbed from us, I'll never
forgive Taylor for that. But also, you know, great decision, boss,
really good storytelling, great TV.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
All Right, so we've moved, we're on this. We're kind
of mixing generations here. We're at the John Dutton, Spencer Dutton,
and John Dutton's son, Jack Dutton, and I just want
to take a moment here because we started off the
show with a thema talking about the women behind them.
I would like to take a moment to talk about
or just maybe give a shout out to Emma Dutton,
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who's played by Marley Shelton, an actress I worked with
years ago I am obsessed with. We have Alexandra, who
Spencer meets in Africa and that seems to be this
sort of world opening experience for him. And then we
have Elizabeth Strafford, who Jack Dutton is marrying. So I'm
excited to see how all of these women play out
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in this world in collaborating with these men and building lives.
And so we're going to take a quick break, and
when we come back, we are going to dive into
the generations of Dutton's that we first came to know
and love, which is the Dutton's on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, a little bit earlier, Jent I was giving
Spencer Dutton his flowers, you know, I was, I was
giving big ups to Spencer Dutton because he's cool. We
love him, we love you know, he's He's clearly an
amazing sort of intrepid adventurer. But I would be remiss
not to mention the O G. Casey Dutt. Yeah, Casey
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Dutton to me seems like such a clear descendant of Spencer.
And this is we're going into pure speculation, but I
can't help but feel Spencer Dutton's DNA coursing through Casey
Dutton's veins.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I totally feel that as well.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And the same way that that Spencer Dutton sort of
remind me of Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. And again,
this movie has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It, but.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Casey always gives me Brad Pitt vibes from what's the
what do you know the movie I'm talking about Legends
of the Fall.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Brad Pitt gives me Luke Grimes vibe.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
I would agree with that one hundred percent, all.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Right, so I'll agree. Casey Dutton awesome guy. I mean,
he's one of my favorite characters. He this dude again
goes back. I know you want to relate him more
to Spenser, but he's a James I mean right, he's
in his gilly suit and he's a sniper too, by
the way. But before that, you know, where do we
get to John Dutton? If you guys remember in season two,
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there's a scene of John Dutton, our John Dutton sitting
with his father. Oh yeah, John Dutton the second and
that's when he actually promises to never sell the ranch.
He made an promise, which is the ongoing theme that
we see. But so we've got this generation. We know
that somewhere between nineteen twenty three and current Yellowstone we
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now are into the John Dutton's. We don't know where
it comes from, but we've got this stoic character, Kevin Costner,
John Dutton, who is how do I even explain him.
I mean, he's the godfather of it all. But as
we see, he's also struggling with the modernization of what's happening.
As we saw in nineteen twenty three, you know, we
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go from eighteen eighty three everything's horse drawn. You see
in nineteen twenty three we go into the city and
there's cars. So what's next and where are we at now?
It's almost like we're in this new evolution of Yellowstone
as well. That's happening.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So John Dutton Senior, we get
to know his kids in episode one of Yellowstone, the
very first episode of the show, we get to know
all four of John and Evelyn's children. That's their oldest son,
Lee Dutton. You got Jamie Dutton, middle child Beth Dutton,
and then the youngest, Casey Dutton. Now we tragically lose
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Lee Dutton in episode one of Yellowstone. This ranch has
fed and sustained the Dutton family for generations, but it's
also cost many of them their lives in a violent
in a violent way. So not only are we introduced
to John Dutton's kids, but over the action of Yellowstone,
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we're introduced to his grandson Tate Dutton.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Now tell me if I'm wrong the Tate is the
seventh generation, and I'll explain what I'm referring to, which
the sort of premonition at the end of eighteen eighty
three when the Native American chief says, in seven generations,
my people will rise up and take it back from you,
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and James says, in seven generations, you can have it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, and it's a fascinating thing. You know, we've we've
been focusing on the Dutton family and talking about the
Dutton family, but there's another family at the very heart
of this show, and that is Thomas Rainwaters family, the
Rainwaters that go back not just seven generations, not just
eight generations, but deep, deep, deep into the history of
(27:21):
this place.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know, ultimately we're going to probably get that reveal
of how this all, what the through line is. You know,
we've got other characters. We've us got Monica, who is
again not a true Dutton, she wasn't born to Dutton,
but in many ways stronger.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, you're really right to point out that Tait isn't
just the seventh generation of Dutton. He also comes from
another long tradition of family that's been here perhaps longer
than the Duttons. In Monica's family who you know, no
pun intended. Her maiden name is Long, her grandfather's name
is Felix Long. So there are many other character whose
(28:01):
family ties to this region even pre date the Duttons,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And I wonder if in nineteen twenty three, some of
the characters that we are getting to know in the
Native American you know, quote quote unquote boarding schools, AKAA,
you know, eradication schools, if any of the characters are
meeting in that world are actually ancestors of the Native
American characters and storyline that we were seeing playing out
(28:28):
in Yellowstone.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
And that's TBD.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
This is one of the really amazing things I think
about Taylor. There's a history here, but I think we
also Taylor is representing American history. But I also think
it's very important to always remember, as Taylor does and
includes here, that there's more than one history. There's there's
an idea of the West as written by you know,
by the victors, some might say, or by the encroachers,
(28:55):
by the sort of invaders that the Duttons themselves read
present to a certain extent, And then there's an even
older history as written by the native communities that far
predate the Duttons. So Taylor is sort of showing these
parallel histories and how they sometimes collide and come into conflict,
(29:15):
and then perhaps in Tate, how they sometimes also come
into alignment.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Well, you know, an interesting thought trailing on that we
go back to the seven generations. It goes back to
the indigenous people, the Native Americans. But in some way
you just brought a thought to the forefront of my mind.
Tait is half Native American, right, So is that is
it going back to them? And how do we bring
it in?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
In some ways that's always been my hunch, and because
we've also set up this one, I mean, this historical
relationship between you know, European settlers and Native Americans and
the wars that have broken up between them, and then
that war sort of being mimicked. Even in that first
episode of Yellowston between Monica and Casey with the killing
(30:03):
of the brothers, right, that felt very Shakespearean. You know,
I just think of a you know, the is it
Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet who says like a curse
on both your houses or something, And then it feels
like Tate is the sort of, in a way, the
thing that would end that battle, because everybody in some
(30:27):
way gets to hold on to it. I'm not speaking
very eloquently about it because it's something I feel like
I'm treading on slightly dangerous ground. But it does feel like,
doesn't it feel like to you guys, the sort of
merging of the worlds.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I think it's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful idea
if Tate can hold on to it. One of the
enduring themes of Yellowstone is, hey, can this ranch last
long enough for Tate to inherit it? Or are these
encroaching forces from the outside gonna pit to pieces and
melt it down in the furnace of the modern American economics?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And they had like a random fantasy thought, right, we
think that Tate is the obvious, like that's who's going
to get it, because he's like, you know, he's dutton,
he's long.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
It's a nice little thing. But the prophecy is that
a goat.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know that the Chief seid in eighteen eighty three
that it will go back to his people. And there's
a world where I can imagine Tate going. I don't
want it like this thing has been a thing that
is so loaded. He is his father's son. His father
wants a simple life, and he goes, I don't want it,
(31:45):
and it shifts hands.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
We're missing something.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
What are we missing?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
We're missing Jamie had a child. I know John doesn't
recognize him as a child anymore. But there's a sequence
with Beth and Jamie and he's talking about his son.
He talks about his son. So don't know where that's
going to go, but I just wanted to bring that
out there. There's this whole other unknown factor here.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That is an excellent point, Scott. The future of this ranch.
We've been diving into the past, the history of this ranch,
and we've been identifying certain unknowns. The future of this
ranch is shot through with unknowns, and I for one
cannot wait to find out what happens to this generation
(32:33):
of Dutton's that we've come to know and love in
the Action of Yellowstone. So until next time, until we
have some more answers. Thank you guys so so much
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Make sure you subscribe to the Official Yellowstone Podcast at
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
See us soon.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The Official Yellowstone podcast is a production of one oh
one Studios and Paramount. This episode was produced by Scott Stone.
Brandon Getchis is the head of Audio for one oh
one Studios. Steve Rasis is the executive vice president of
the Paramount Global Podcast Group. Special thanks to Megan Marcus,
Jeremy Westfall, Ainsley Rosito, Andrew Sarnow, Jason Red and Whitney
(33:15):
Baxter from Paramount, and of course David Glasser, David Hukin
and Michelle Newman from one oh one Studios.
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