December 4, 2022 • 60 mins
In season 5 episode 5, John cancels all his meetings to join the Yellowstone cowboys for the gathering and branding of cattle. Jen and Jefferson recap the gathering and other big moments, including the disastrous dinner that results in a “slugfest” between Summer and Beth as their relationship finally reaches a boiling point. Then CMA’s Female Vocalist of the Year Lainey Wilson (“Abby”) joins the podcast to discuss her acting debut on Yellowstone. She also talks about her songwriting process and her new songs that premiered in the series.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We have
an awesome show on tap for you today. Besides my
partner in crime, Jefferson White, I am so excited to
speak to the amazing new addition to the Yellowstone family
CMTS Breakout Artist of the Year and six times CMA
Award nominee, the amazing Lany Wilson. So stand by and
(00:35):
we will be right back with you. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Jed.
I want you to I'm here to do my weekly
check in on your muscles.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Bigger than ever, better than ever. My main issue right
now is sleep hygiene. Everybody who's serious into bodybuilding a
fitness says you have to get your sleep right, and
that's been hard for me because I've been traveling. Speaking
of traveling, we've recorded three episodes of this podcast together,
and I don't think you've been in the same state
for any two episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I haven't, not physically or mentally. I find that my
physical travel mimics my emotional state. I am currently in
Las Vegas. I'm here to watch the Junior World Finals.
I've made some friends with some young bull riders and
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I'm here to cheer them on and see what this
world is about.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's incredible. So now you know you're deep in it,
h Yellowstone, You're getting deeper and deeper, digging deeper and
deeper into the rodeo world.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
That is correct. I have my manager and producing partner
here with me, and he is so new to this,
and you can tell that he lives a life where
safety is just sort of assumed. And Jeff, you know that,
like anytime you're dealing with animals and you're in the
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cowboy world, safety is not assumed anymore. So a gate
opened by accident while one kid was riding and the
bowl was careening towards him as the gate opened, and
I sort of grabbed my manager by the scruff of
his neck and pulled him out of the way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh my god, that's some cowboy shit right there.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's some cowboy shit.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I feel like you guys are having a bit of
a JD in summer moment, your JD. He's summer and
you're sort of you're showing him you're a little window
into your life. Does that feel fair to say it does?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I wish we had a visual side by side right
now for the audience so they could look at Nate
and Piper and see that the two humans couldn't look
more different. Jeff, you're traveling a lot as well. You're
on a plane today. I can't say as much. You
were just in Chicago. I was on a plane today
shooting a show Chicago p D. Yeah, I'm working on
Chicago p D. I'm having a great time over there.
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It's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's about as different from Yellowstone as possible. It's a
lot of sitting and talking as opposed to riding and falling,
so it's a really nice little refresher, but it also
makes me hungry to get back into Yellowstone. Speaking of which,
absolutely breathtaking new episode this week, couldn't like truly my
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favorite episode of the season so far, and top five
favorite episodes ever.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'd say, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I was it
was my favorite episode when we read it, for sure,
for one scene in particular that did not fail to
meet my expectations. Potentially a more disastrous family dinner than
anything I've ever had at home, even a worse than
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any worst Thanksgiving I've ever had, About as.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Bad as you can possibly imagine it going. You can
tell we'll get to it. We'll get to it, we'll
start out like the episode itself. We will craft some momentum.
We'll start at the beginning, and we'll build to that
climactic scene. So this episode starts out with I also,
I've come to love these episodes that start in the
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flashback because I love seeing young RIP, I love seeing
young Beth, and I absolutely love seeing Josh Lucas as
young j D. I think it's so fun to start
in these flashbacks. Not to mention Arman Kai as Rowdy.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, all of those actors are so phenomenal, and it
was sort of doubly satisfying this episode because of the
way Taylor bookends the episode with with the exact moment
you know, however many years ago, and then in the
present day at the very end, which I loved.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's very cool this sort of heading out, you know,
it shows the JD rip. They've been doing this for
what thirty years, forty years JD's been doing it. These
guys have probably been doing this as long as they've
been alive, which really the sort of ritual and kind
of historical cultural significance of branding and gathering, you know,
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no matter how many decades or centuries Yellowstone spans. There's
certain things that have stayed the same for one hundred years,
and this is a kind of beautiful expression of that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
There's a theme in the episode about that ties into
sameness and being tied into the land and how those
rules don't change, and it's sort of an offshoot, but
moving into the next scene with Beth and with Beth
and when she wakes up from that dream, there's this
(06:03):
amazing dialogue exchange where Beth says, yesterday is what eats me,
and Rip says, yesterday is what eats everybody. It's why
I don't think about it. And that moment really struck
me because Rip sort of represents the lifestyle and the
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mentality of when you're tied into the land, there's really
no thinking about past or anything else. It's so immediate.
And Beth is sort of plagued by what most members
of society are, which is since you're so ungrounded in
the physical world, you're sort of left in this, in
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this emotional, in this mental place that can kind of
carry you all over.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, they both have such difficult pasts, right, Both Beth
and Rip have these difficult, complicated pasts, and they handle
that in such different ways. Beth is clearly spending this
season processing some of these painful memories, some of this shame,
some of this trauma from her past. And Rip's attitude is,
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you know, what's dead is buried, and I have work
to do today. I'm going to head out today and
handle what's right in front of me, this animal, I'm
responsible for, the guy to my left, the guide to
my right. That's my job.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Today, totally. And we've hit on this before, but when
we're shooting those scenes that involve animals, that involve work,
because we usually are doing right what we appear to
be doing, you're completely out of your head in those
moments as well. There's no room for thought or actor
thought or second guessing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's all so immediate, you're so right, and it is
such a sort of actor I don't want to speak
for other actors, but I spend so much time worrying about,
Oh fuck, I missed an opportunity in that scene I
could have tried to do this, or ah shit, I
wish I could get another crack at that scene from
season two. You know, that's dwelling on the past, and
this is a good reminder to all of us like, hey, hey,
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wake up, look at what's right in front of you.
Keep moving forward.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think I think you nailed
it right there.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So so much of this episode revolves around this tradition
and this custom and this just part of cowboy work,
which is that we're going to go out and we're
going to gather. And when a ranch is as big
as the Yellowstone Ranch, that's not an easy matter. So
in practical terms, there are cows scattered over many, many
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miles of terrain, of varied terrain. We're talking about Montana,
We're talking about mountains and prairies and rivers, and in
practical terms, a lot of this episode is spent sort
of preparing to go out and round up the herd.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, And there's this wonderful dichotomy. You get the sense
that the work is going to be hard, that there
are a lot of creature comforts that one is going
to give up, and at the same time it is
something that fills everybody with such joy. It's almost like
the version of what we were just talking about in
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terms of when you're working with animals and dealing with
the land and how it makes you be very present.
This is sort of that moment on steroids when all
of your creature comforts are stripped away. And you even
see it in the scene later on in the episode
where Casey and Monica are sitting on the porch talking
and he talks about going and gathering and branding, and
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Luke did this really wonderful thing. You see this sort
of smile break out across his face. And given what
they're going through right now and how we've seen these
two people, that's that's quite a monumentous moment.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it is amazing that for those two characters particularly,
they need a little bit of joy, They need a
little bit of you know, respite from the tragedy that
has racked them for years now. And it's so nice
to see them come together and their resilience in the
face of that tragedy and sort of you know, yeah,
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get excited to relive this tradition that they both probably
participated and since they were kids.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I want to jump
to the dinner scene.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Because I know it's good. It's so juicy. It's so juicy.
Let me hit a couple more quick pot points. But
I feel the same way. We all know it's coming.
It has a sort of you know, ever since Summer
moved into the house, there is this gravity between Summer
and Bath that you can sense that the disaster is looming.
So so, as you mentioned, you know, they're going out
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to either and it's it's it is, you know, it's
it's pretty cowboy Rip says to to Lloyd, Hey, you know,
just cold packs. We're cold camping. I forget exactly what
he says, but basically, we're packing sleeping bags and we're
sleeping out under the stars and Fory J. Smith as
Lloyd gives us a classic fory J. Smith yeehaw and
says that's cowboys shit right there, which I always love.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it was. I mean, you know that on the day,
we probably did that scene twelve times for all the
coverage that we needed, and that yeehaw like never failed
to sort of cheer me up as we set up
and broke broke down the fence for the one hundredth time.
And actually, that scene, Jeff is one of my is
(11:46):
one of my favorite scenes in the entire episode. The
scene that happens between Summer and Carter. There's there I
think I feel like Carter has the best sort of
the best line of the episode, and certainly it's in
that exchange when when she says that he says that
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God puts out the fire, God brings rain, and she says,
nature puts out the fire, kid, and he says, that's
what I said, implying that nature is God. And I
feel like that was the star moment of the episode
for me, actually, even though I was even though I
really wanted to jump to the fight.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, that is such a beautiful moment, and between these
two characters who are both kind of fish out of water,
just Carter demonstrating this sort of slow wisdom that he's gained,
this kind of you know, he's been on the ranch,
he's he's you know, being put through his paces. He's
really growing in so many ways, and that that feels
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like one moment where Carter demonstrates the wisdom. He's a crude,
you know. Jimmy had some of these moments too, where
you get shpit on her for seasons, you really seasons
everything out of your mouth. Rip walks by and goes,
shut the fuck up, that's wrong, you know, And for
once Carter managed to Carter managed to have a nice,
(13:09):
wise little moment I'm glad Rip was nowhere near him
to like smack him and tell him to get some manners,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, And then Taylor does this amazing, this really wonderful
writing thing after that, which is, I don't even know
what the heck that camp? What kind of camp is?
Is it a Scott a Spy camp, Sky think Spike camp,
A Spike camp. I don't know. I don't know, and
neither to Summer. And the moment that is so great
is that Carter doesn't know either. She asks him what
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it is after this kid has sort of channeled wisdom
from the universe and he says, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing. I loved it. Throughout this episode,
there's this kind of mounting excitement. There's this feeling that
we're going out, We're going on this journey together, we
all know what it means, and there's this kind of recruiting,
you know, there's this all these other characters are sort
of getting cruited to this cause, including Clara, which I
really love. There's this amazing scene between Clara and JD
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where it sort of becomes clear that Clara's going to
come on this journey too, and I think that's so fun.
It has this kind of gravity, you know that this journey,
this riding out to go gather, has this kind of
a gravity. And throughout this episode, you're seeing these characters
sort of prepare themselves for it, some of them knowing
what they're getting into with, you know, a sort of
smiling familiarity, and some of them embarking on this for
(14:28):
the first time, including Carter, including Clara.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Jeff. Speaking of the conversations between John and Clara in
this episode, there's a moment where Clara meets Casey and
she says to John, is that your youngest son? And
John says, that's my only son? Right? Pretty hurts the
(14:52):
heart now even to say yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Rough for Jamie, I mean Jamie, this whole season has
been this real test of Jamie's place in the family.
It's been another time that Jamie's loyalty is tested. You know,
Beth is really pushing him to the limit, and to
hear jd you know, dismiss him so brutally, that's a
(15:17):
rough one.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And it's not the only time in the episode that
John says something about Jamie that's incredibly painful. There's the
moment at the end where he ends up complimenting Beth,
but he says, I have a child that I miss,
one that I pity, one that I regret, and one
that I envy for Beth. But again, Jamie gets it
(15:42):
pretty hard, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Before we get too deep, let's take a quick break
and we'll be right back. This season is a highs
and lows for Jamie because this episode has another dare
I say, sexy rendezvous between between Jamie and Sarah. So
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it's not all bad for Jamie this season.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, that scene is so sexy that when I was
taking notes on it, I just wrote, this is very hot,
hot sexy scene, and then put some stars around it
and then maybe circled it. Then decided I don't know
how to talk about that except by being like hot sexy.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, we can acknowledge that, you know, Jamie is suddenly
being sort of lured deeper into what seems like a trap.
You know, we saw Sarah basically picking Jamie out of
a lineup and saying, that's the weak point. That's the
weakness that I'm going to exploit to destroy this family.
(16:50):
So since then, it has had a bit of a
feeling of a slow motion car crash. Like a sensual
slow motion car crash.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Right, and it's not. It doesn't feel to me like
the wall is being completely pulled over his eyes. It
feels like he sort of knows it. There's a look
of agreement between the two of them about what is happening,
despite whatever they say on the surface. But you know,
at the end of the day, she makes an offer
(17:22):
he can't refuse.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
She makes an offer, she makes an offer he's not
quite equipped to refuse, so, you know, speaking to Jamie.
Jamie is also a conspicuous absence from the dinner table
in perhaps the most uh the biggest, most wide ranging,
(17:44):
explosive dinner scene yet, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, and that opening shot, the way that everybody was
sitting there, I was kidding, Like the last supper images,
you know, you saw the length of the table. It
also felt to me like that odd meal after a funeral.
But I have to say it ends up being the
(18:09):
most lively supper I've never been to.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, thank god, I'm glad. I'm glad it's never quite
gotten that bad. At my family reunions.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I have to say, as somebody who has a very
very opinionated vegan in their family, eating with them is
a pain in the ass. And I say this as
somebody who was vegan for about two years. I've been vegan.
Somehow I got gout while I was vegan, which is
another episode of another show. But the shaming at the
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table is usually where I draw the line.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's pretty rough. Yeah, you know who's the least judgmental
vegan I've ever met?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Denham Richards totally not judgmental.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He's not judgmental, but he is specific about what he's
gonna eat. I'll order like a hamburger and fries and
he'll be like, oh, cool man, enjoy that. And then
he'll be like, do you guys have talk to me
about your lettuce varietals? And they'll be like, bro, this
is a dairy queen in Montana. And he'll be like,
and you know, tell me about tell me aboutkay. So
you got lettuce, you got tomato? Maybe just give me
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a pile of lettuce and tomato.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I feel like I watched Denims slowly starve to death
over the course of a season as there just isn't
anything for him to eat.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
There really is, And every time I'm with it, Yeah,
it's always a series of disappointments. He'll be like, you
guys got lettuce. They'll be like no, He'll be like rice, Nope.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
We have lettuce. But we have lettuce. But we battered
and Frieday did you use egg and mapatter? We did? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Do you guys have ice? Maybe just some ice in
a glass?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, there might be milk product in it. Okay, yes?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Uh? Back back back to summer and and her her
food shaming at the table. Jeff, how do you how
do you feel about uh, does somebody have.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like that's my little cat? Can you hear him? He
wants to get involved.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
With somebody holding a woman hostage?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
In No, no, no, I'm not gin No, I'm not
holding a woman hostage. Hell, how do you feel that's
my little cat?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I really want to meet that cat. I'm so allergic.
How do you feel about Beth's handling of summer?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh yeah, there's something about summer that really reverts Beth
to uh the young fierce kind of pre logic, pre
logic Beth. You know Beth normally, she's got some uh
what do you call him? Checks and balances in her brain.
Beth's not usually just throwing fists first, This cat is
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so cute.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
She usually, no, the cat loves this part of the
yet she's just like you're talking about the dinner part.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Oh man, he wants to get involved, so be Beth.
Usually she's so smart, she usually uses other tools at
her disposal. She has so many tools at her disposal.
She's so brilliant. But something about Summer turns Beth into
kind of takes her to a sort of pre logic,
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pre intellect space, a kind of primal space.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, and she is about to go on this gathering
and branding, which is she's about to go cowboy. And
if we look back, I think to the season before
where Rip actually takes out Walker and Lloyd to settle
it in an arena, and it sort of feels like
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her version of that.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You really are. Yeah, we've seen we've seen the men
on this show handle conflicts in this way. It's happened
a few times. There's been these sort of fair fights.
The same thing happens with Casey and Rip. Right, Yeah,
there's a sort of explosive fight between Casey and Rip
I think in season two or season three. So we've
seen that this is a sort of custom on the ranch.
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It is a conflict resolution protocol. You know, you go
to HR and you say I'm having an issue and
they say, have you tried standing in the middle of
a circle of your friends and punching each other until
somebody faints?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I love that Monica gets joy out of this dynamic
as they go out. It's the first time we see
her laugh. I found that to be a lovely sort
of framing of this framing of it, and Clara's POV
on this whole thing might be my favorite POV.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's so funny that the Outsiders every time somebody new
sits down at that table, it's such a funny you know,
baptism into the Dutton family dynamics and there is something,
you know, I think throughout the show there's been this
kind of interesting idea of there is a kind of
brutal simplicity that can also serve as a bonding agent.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know, so totally.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Casey and Rip kind of had to fight it out,
Lloyd and Walker kind of had to fight it out.
We've seen this in some ways. There's a cathartic release
that comes from this kind of fistfight that you know
makes it seems to actually serve as a bond at times.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Totally. It's very different than what you and I do, Jeff,
which is that we never have it out with anyone.
We repress all of our feelings and our aggravations, and
then we just hold grudges against a person until one
one of us dies.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, and or we sort of have it. I sort
of punish myself. Yeah. You know what what Beth does
to summer, I sort of do to myself in the mirror.
It's poisoning myself to try to hurt my enemies. I think.
Is that is a term I've heard before. Yeah, we'll
get you want to get better at conflict? Right now, Jen, Jen?
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Right now? Do you want to have a slug out?
A slugfest?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I'm not saying yes on air.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Next time I see you, we drop the gloves and
we just punch each other until we're until we're better off,
you know, until we're better friends for it. So, Jen,
let's let's let's get down and dirty and dig into
some of the details of this fight. Yep. Because I
spoke with with Piper briefly about the process choreographing this
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fight about how long. It seems like Piper and Cal
really invested in getting this thing right and the results
were incredible. So walk us through that fight a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean, I remember as well, when the rehearsals were
going on for that fight, I felt like they had
so many. There was one that I almost went to
because it became a thing that you could do in
your free time. The Beth lands. Beth strikes first, and
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then she I believe, she strikes again and again. Does
she not hit Summer a few times before Summer finally,
you know, wallops her back.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, Beth's a striker and Summer's like a grappler, you know.
Summer tries to take it to the ground. Beth's a
stand up fighter. She's I think she's got reach. She
throws a head button there at some point that is
particularly vicious.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, the I mean, the fight gets the fight is
going on, and it's dirty and they're hurt. And then,
for whatever reason, the fight is so elevated to me
when Rip comes out and sort of there was something
He comes out there to sort of settle it and
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to make it civilized, right, and yet it becomes so
much more brutal I found myself flinching so much more
at this sort of you go, I go of it all,
and this it stops being fun and games. The fight
for me up to that point is like sort of
fun and exciting. And then to watch them take independent
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blows at each other made my spine, you know, tremble
a bit. And then there's that amazing moment where Piper
is eventually down on the ground and Beth looks to
Rip like what do I do next? Because we're now
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under his sort of fight choreography in a way, and
she sort of you know, takes his lead, and then
the Summer character starts sobbing. And I loved that moment
because I have had many experiences in my life where
I physically hit a limit and I just start sobbing.
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And I usually start sobbing about everything that has ever
happened to me and everything that I'm trying to hold
on to.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, there's this kind of release in that moment, you know,
Summer has sum Are just spent a year in jail
because of Beth, because of John Dutton, because she got
wrapped up in this match. She just spent a year
in jail. So there's all of these pent up feelings,
this frustration, this anger, this pain, and it feels like
(27:53):
in this moment, Yeah, when she breaks down, she's not
just breaking down because she got hit. It feels like
all of this frustration really comes to a head. And Yeah,
there's a Catharsis in it. You know, there really is
a release there.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, and then they sort of walk back, They start
to walk back into that house like all right, it's
out of your system. Beth makes a snide remark and
then remembers, Oh, we're not doing that anymore. And Summer
talks about respect, about being treated with respect, and Beth says,
you'll be treated with you'll get back what you give.
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And again there was a flash across Piper's face when
she played that moment, and it was awesome because she
sort of realized who she's been and what she's been doing. Yeah,
that for.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sure goes both ways. I hope I think that Also,
it seems like in that fight, Summer really earns some
of Beth's respect because she does give as good as
she gets. She takes the hits and throws hits back.
So I it seems like in that moment those two
women really see each other clearly for the first time
with some of the layers of they're both very smart,
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they both have very strong opinions. It feels like they
see each other on a deeper level at the end
of that sequence totally.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And then not much later in the episode, we find
them at the table again. Of course it looks like nighttime,
but it's pre dawn and there's breakfast, and everybody gets
up from the table to leave, and Summer looks so
lonely without them, And I just love the way Taylor
framed that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, I think that is beautiful. There's this kind of
bonding that happens, there's these as contentious as those dinner
table scenes are, there's also a reason everybody comes back,
you know. There's this kind of profound bonding that they
represent too. So, yeah, like you said, now we're the
next morning. If you're going to wake up to go gather,
you're waking up long before the sun rises because you've
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got a long ride ahead of you. And there's this
beautiful sort of montage of everybody getting ready and getting
ready to head out.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, and there's a couple of great moments towards the
end where Monica says to summer. I guess if it
doesn't make you cry to see your family right away,
you shouldn't have a family. And of course some are
looking a bit for Clempton that moment, I feel like
she's suddenly for me in that moment that Duttons became
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her family. And there's also that great moment with the
legend Buck Taylor. And for those of you who don't know,
Buck Taylor is a legend of the Western world, not
only as an actor but as an artist, and John
sort of what does he say to him, but basically
questions whether or not he's got another one in him,
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and Buck Taylor says, I'll race your ass to the top, Governor.
And also just Buck Taylor saying ass is this interesting
thing in and of itself because he is just such
a gentle, artful man.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So absolutely one of my favorite episodes ever. Let's take
a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna
be talking with Lanny Wilson. We want to welcome CMA
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twenty twenty two Female Vocalist of the Year and New
Artists of the Year. ACM's twenty twenty two New Female
Artists of the Year and now officially actor and our
dear friend, Laney Wilson.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Oh my god, what an intro, What a dyang intro, Laney.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
We feel so honored, so lucky to have you with
us today.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Dude, I'm so excited to be just hanging out with y'all,
Chett and it's going be fun. We got a lot
to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, I feel Lenny, I feel like you're the busiest
person in America right now. I don't know how you
hold it all together.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Girl. I have probably slept in my bed in Nashville
a total of thirteen fourteen nights this year.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's crazy, but it has been a hell of a ride,
and were just getting started.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Also, before we go any further, can I just say
that you're amazing on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Thank you you are. I mean, I'm going to learn
from the best.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, You're naturally fantastic in a way that could make
a lot of seasoned actors annoyed, because you just know
how to do it, and you are so charismatic and
so detailed in every single scene that I've seen you in.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I appreciate that so much. I guess I will say
that even though I've never done anything like this. I mean,
this is my first rodeo with acting, but I guess
in a way, I do get on stage and act
certain nights because I mean, you know, there's days when
I have bad days and I don't feel like getting
up there and acting like you know, I'm there to
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have a heck of a time or whatever. But it's
just a part of the job. So I guess I
kind of have been doing that in a way for years,
just a different way.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's so interesting because obviously, I think something that I
admire so much about your music is that it's not
unambiguously happy. It's not just a sort of sugar coated
version of your life. It feels very true, it feels
very honest, and it also not to get to theoretical here,
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but acting, it feels like, is in a lot of
ways about stripping away layers, stripping away masks, and sort
of revealing this kind of intimate truth beneath that.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Can you just talk about your your songwriting process, how
you apply that to your experience on set. We just
talk about that a little, but I'm so.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Curious, absolutely so before I was an artist, before anything,
I was a songwriter. I mean, I wrote my first
song at nine years old, and I brought it to
my mama and it was a song called Lucky Me,
and I sang it to her and I think she
kind of thought, oh, this is you know, just kind
of those one and done type things. But the next
week I brought her another one. The next week, I
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brought her another one, and it just it really took
hold of me in my heart. And it was one
of those things where I felt like I had no
other option but to do it, because it really was
away from me to express myself. You know where I'm from.
I'm from northeast Louisiana, from a town of two hundred people.
Country music is life. I mean, we eat, sleep, and
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breathe it. It is truly a way of life. We
lived out those songs. And so for me, writing country
music was really just me pulling back those layers and
me sharing the way that I grew up, in the
way that I was raised. And I tell you what,
I'm so thankful for songwriting because it has gotten me
through some hard times. It is my therapy and I
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have really learned how to step outside of my comfort
zone with songwriting. I mean, especially when you're co writing
with people. You have to sit there and you have
to have to tell people the way that you really
feel about things, and then you kind of hear like
another angle, maybe you know a different side of the story,
and it makes you a more understanding person too. And
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I feel like I've just learned a whole lot about
myself and about life in the writing room. And so
when it comes to this opportunity, you know, when Taylor
called me back in February, He's like, you know, I've
got this idea, he said, I want to create a
character specifically for you. I want you to pretty much
be yourself, you know, I want you to wear your
bell bottoms and sing your songs. And I said, I
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can do that. You know, if anything, I have learned
that me being myself is I don't even know how
to put it. Let's see, you can try to be
everything else under the sun. I mean, when I moved
to Nashville, I saw all the things that were working.
I saw all the kind of music that was working.
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But I have a lot of people in my corner
and in my life who remind me where I come
from and who I truly am. So I have a
really hard time being anything other than myself. So Jim,
when you said I look natural or whatever it was,
because I did. He gave me that opportunity just to
be myself. And so I'm excited though, to take on
another role of some sort later on down the road
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and give it a try. And you know, maybe I'll
try something without this thick accent. We'll see what happens.
But it's been such a cool opportunity that Lenny do.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
People compare you energetically in ways to Dolly Parton all.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The time, and as the best compliment that anybody can
give me us like the fat of the sun, the
Holy Spirit, Dolly Parton period.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, it's so interesting. It feels like part of
what people respond to with Yellowstone is this feeling of authenticity.
You know, you're describing growing up in Louisiana really sort
of living the culture and the lifestyle that you're singing
about about, you know, writing in your songs about your
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authentic lived experience. I think that's also part of what
people respond to with Yellowstone because a lot of these stories,
a lot of these struggles, a lot of this culture
and this history are real and are coming from a
place of tremendous authenticity because they're coming from Taylor, somebody
who grew up in this world, and he has seeded
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throughout the show people just like you from backgrounds that
make it feel so real. So I'm thinking of, you know,
Ryan Bingham, who similarly has a character that's written for
him that nobody else could play but him. I'm thinking
of Moe brings Plenty, who plays the character Moe, who
has a character that has written for him that nobody
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else could play. We spoke last week with Piper Perabo,
who plays Summer, who has a part written exactly for her.
So I think that it can't help but sort of
permeate throughout the whole environment on set and then throughout
the whole experience for the viewer that in many cases,
the people telling this story, the story of Yellowstone, are
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telling a true story from their own lives. Yeah, it's such.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
A fascinating thing.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, podas ask.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So you start out in one place, you know, writing
these songs just for yourself. You're nine years old. It's
a quiet, intimate space for you to express yourself. Now
flash forward it's twenty twenty two. You are forgive me.
I don't want to embarrass you. You are a rock star,
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you're a music star, you are a famous sensation in
this world. And that's a little bit like the phenomenon
of going on to this set. You know, you're supposed
to play yourself, You're supposed to sort of have this quiet,
intimate moment with Ian Bowen, who plays Ryan. But being
on set is not quiet and intimate. There's fucking three
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hundred people standing around pointing one hundred thousand dollars supercomputers
at you. So you can sort of have a quiet, cute,
little moment. How do you stay yourself? How do you
hold on to that authentic core when these big, like exciting,
sort of huge forces are swirling around you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I will say the last three or so years, I
feel like, you know, even during the pandemic, I spent
so much time like behind a camera, whether it was
my own cell phone or doing something else just to
put on social media. I feel like I almost forced
myself to get comfortable with it. And over the last
two years or so, I feel like I've done so
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many like interviews, and I've noticed that the things that
people relate to and latch onto are the moments when
I am being one hundred and ninety percent real and
genuine to myself. Even if I say something that kind
of makes your eyebrows raise or makes your skin crawl
a little bit, like at the end of the day,
at least I made you feel something, right, So I
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will say, whenever I showed up to set, I mean,
I didn't know what to expect. I knew that I
had met a few of y'all during twenty twenty when
I came up and I played the little acoustics show
for the cast and crew during the pandemic, and I
knew that the folks that I had met then they
were super nice. But I'll be honest, I thought for
a second, I was like, I mean, these people could
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literally be like, who is this girl coming up in
here acting like she'd been acting her whole like girl,
go back home. I didn't know, because I'll be honest,
if somebody was trying to come up into my you know,
like get on stage and act like she was a
singer or whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That's funny. You should mention it. I actually have some
songs i'd like to play for you if you don't mind.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
They're beautiful.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Hey, you know what I love different No, but everybody
made me feel so welcome, and a lot of people,
you know, they were fans of my music and I
was fans of theirs, and so it was just this
like mutual respect that we had for each other, and
it just made me feel comfortable. And you know, Taylor,
I think maybe saw something to me before I even
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saw it in myself. And I don't take that lightly.
I appreciate that very much. And it's given me the
courage to step outside of my comfort zone and try
new things. And I think, at the end of the day,
if you're not doing that, then you're not growing. And
I want to grow to it. I want to. I
want to try new things. I want to be better.
I want to I want to do things that are scary.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's also it's true, correct me if I'm wrong. I
think you have four original songs that are being featured
in this season of Yellowstone. You know, these songs that
you are writing and performing. It also is such a
gift to the show. It feels like such an honor
for us that your story is so intimately lining up
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with this huge story, and it feels like such a
sort of gift that to have those songs on the show.
What does that feel like for you? These stories about
your own life going out to an audience of I
don't know, like one hundred and eighty million people or
some insane statistics.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I'll tell you what. There's some folks back at home
now that I'm in Yellowstone, They're like, oh, you really
are making it now, they tell I'm like, is that
what it took? Is that what it took? It's huge,
It really is huge. You could not plan for this
to happen, and this to line up with a way
that my music career is going right now, and any
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opportunity I have to share my music with the world,
sign me up.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I mean, no matter what, songwriting is always going to
be my number one because that's what has given me
opportunities to begin with, and that's my roots. But it
is so cool to even think about that nine year
old little girl who was writing their first song, and
you know, I wasn't writing things that were completely true
to myself because I was writing about to killing cigarettes
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and we didn't even have to killing cigarettes at the house.
So but to think that I have, you know, I
have dove in and I have shown that vulnerable side
to me. And written songs about my personal life and
I get to share that with a huge audience. Is
it's scary, but also there's a sense of freedom that
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comes along with it. And I hope people can can
hear these songs and think like, dang, you know, she
wrote the song for me. I just I want people
to to feel like I wrote my music for them
and their story and the way that they feel, and
I want them to feel like they're not a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, I can tell you that your music does
feel that way, and I feel that way when I
listen to your music, and I love being a fan
of somebody who I like so much. I have a
question about your music style, and just your personal style
is so unique in a mashup of so many things.
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And one of the things I thought about when I
first saw you and met you was just icon. You
just are an icon. And I wonder if you always
were comfortable mashing these sort of different genres together, or
if there was a moment in your career when you
tried to fit into a box a little bit more
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and went, well, screw it, nobody wants me in that box.
I'm just gonna do whatever the hell I want.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
When I moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, I didn't
know anybody. There was this one guy from my home town, Basking,
who wanted to be a singer, songwriter, producer back in
the late seventies, and my grandfather had actually given him
a few hundred dollars to help you move to Nashville
and get started. So as a favor in return, he
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let me park my camper trailer in his studio parking
lot for free for the first three years I was there,
and I would walk over to the studio every single
day and I'd write songs with him, and I mean
we wrote three hundred plus songs together. He's the one
that really taught me how to do that. And he
taught me how to put myself into the shoes of
whatever it is that we're writing about. I mean, we
could be written about this dang hair brush right here,
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and he taught me how to like feel everything that
that hair brush was feeling. And I will say, the
kind of songs that I've been writing, the things that
I've been writing about my entire life, it's still the same.
I feel like, of course, I've kind of gotten to
the point where my give a damn is busted. I'm
just a little bit like what you see is what
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you get. What I do now is what I did
years ago. Of course I have grown and I've become
a better songwriter and a better singer. But this has
been it. This truly has even when I first got
to Nashville. I don't know why it has taken me
so long, though, I feel like, you know, I've been
in Nashville for eleven years. I kind of feel like
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a part of my story was supposed to be time.
I think people were supposed to hear my story and
you know think, Okay, well she's thirty years old and
it took her a lot longer than it took some folks,
but she stuck it out. And I hope people see
that if you keep your head down and you keep
your blinders on, and you roll your sleeves up like
there ain't nothing that you can accomplish, you just you
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let you turn those nose into yes's and just go
get the dain thing yourself, because ain't nobody gonna hand
it to you.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I love that. I also got the sense while you
were talking that it wasn't about you that took time,
but it took. It took the music industry time to
catch up with you. That's what it was, an acquired
taste by everyone.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I'm going to go days. No, I know that it
would have probably been a lot easier had I gone
another route and maybe did everything that was popular during
that time. And I could have done it, but I'm
way too hard headed. I know who I am, and
like I said earlier, I've got way too many people
in my life who would be like Lane, that is
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not you and quit acting like it is. So, yeah,
this is it, you know, if it all goes downhill tomorrow,
at least I could say that every part of this
was me being genuine to myself and to my Raisin
and my family.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
And yeah, I'm going to get really la for a
second because you said hard headed. I'm a little obsessed
with astrology and you think I am. Aren't you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
You're not. I thought you were a Capricorn. What are you?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm a Taurus.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You're a Taurus. Okay, to what are you? Sign? Hard
headed bull? Taurus is my moon sign. I'm a Virgo,
so like I love me on Earth sign, and I
like I knew you or an earth sign. Sorry, guys,
thanks for thanks for indulging me in that.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, I'm hard headed.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's so funny. Yeah, because it's really like our whole job.
It's so refreshing talking to you, and it's so clear
how firmly you stand in yourself and have such a
sort of clear distinct idea of yourself that is impermeable,
because I feel like my whole job is to uh
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not have that and to just be whatever somebody else
wants me to be at any given time. So, and
it's a fascinating thing trying gelling and sort of reconciling
these two different things. Like your music career is based
on you as an authentic, unique individual. Nobody else could
write your songs, nobody else could perform your songs, or
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dress like you or have your presence. And then acting
is this kind of strange. There isn't a contradiction here,
but there's a sort of an apparent contradiction here because
some of the best actors, some of the coolest performances
come from people who are so distinctly themselves, Like nobody
could play this character like you play her. You are
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the only person who could ever have been Babby and
at the same time you're also Laney. You know, it's
a really it's a fascinating contradiction that I think I'll spend,
you know, the rest of my career trying to wrap
my head around it.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Really is fascinating. For sure. I'm so glad that Tyler
didn't say, but you can't talk the way that you talk, because.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I can't wait for it. This is all method acting.
And when Yellowstone's done, you're gonna reveal that you actually have,
you know, a New York action.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yes, I actually talk like this, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There's the California that's exactly right. The California is popping out.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I hate bel bottoms.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It would be so terrifying and heartbreaking. I'd be like,
no go back.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But also so impressive, also so impressive, if you don't mind,
How exactly did you meet Taylor? How did that relationship
first come about?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
So I had not even signed a record deal at
this time, and I had just put out a self
titled EP, and there was a song on there called
working Overtime that my manager Mandolin, which she was hanging
out there on set to the Little Curly Headed Girl Run.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
She she pitched my music to w Me, my book
and agent, and w and Me had sent the music
over to Andrea Van Forrester, who is such a huge
champion of mine, and she pretty much introduced my music
to Taylor that way. And so I know he was
doing a horse raining competition out in Vegas and he
invited me to come out there and play a horse
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raining show. That's where I got to meet him and
thank him for putting Working overtime my song. It was
episode one, season two. It was when the bull was
busting into the bar and which is one of my
still one of my favorite scenes of just the entire show.
And so I got to meet him at this horse
raining competition and just got to know him and got
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to talk about my love for horses and how I
grew up on the back of a horse, and we
exchanged numbers and he said, you know, like I want
to help you, He said, you know, I just I
love what you do, and I want you to keep
sending me music. If you think it'd be something good
for the show, just text it over to me. So
for a couple of years, I would just if I
wrote something that I thought Mike would be a good fit.
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I'd send it to him, and Mandolin would send it
to Andrea and just kind of, you know, was super
excited about those opportunities because I mean I have had
people show up to my shows and be like, I
found you through Yellowstone, which is crazy to think that
a show can have that much of an impact when
it comes to the music. So forward a little bit.
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He ended up putting a couple more of my songs
in the show from my record, saying what I'm thinking,
and we just kept up, kept staying in contact. I
went out to the ranch and in twenty twenty and
I played a little private show for the cast and
crew during the pandemic because everybody's getting real antsy, and
got to hang out with Taylor a little more there.
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And in February he just called me and said, you know,
I've got this idea. He said, I want to create
a character specifically for you. And I remember I was
on the phone outside of my house and I have
this little French bulldog, her name is Hippie, and she
took out running towards the road. So I'm on the
phone with Taylor running trying to catch my dog before
car comes around the corner, and so I was out
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of breath and I'm like, hold on a minute, Yes,
I'm interested, I'll do it. So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
I'm like just being mindful of time and making sure
I want to like hit certain things, and it ties
into time in a bigger way. You said you only
slept like fourteen nays in your bed or something this year.
So on like January fourth, you are going on what
a twenty seven city tour. I'm anticipating that you will
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be sleeping in your bed even less than this and years.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's okay. You know, I feel like we've
been working hard to work even harder. This is my
very first headlining tour. Amazing. It's it's almost sold out,
which is mind blowing for me because I mean I
feel like it wasn't that long ago when I mean
nobody knew my music, my mama and that was it,
you know. But it's crazy how like I said, it's
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all about that time, and I was supposed to wait
this long and it was all worth it. Looking back
on it now, I'm like, if it was had I
known that it was going to feel like this, you know,
then I wouldn't have been too upset about it taking
me as long as it did.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Also, I feel like loneliness in some way is sort
of inherent into the creative process, especially with songwriting, at
least that's what I've heard. And I feel like the
amount of time that you probably spent alone, not just
you know, you could have been with people, but I
know that the feeling of when you're not living the
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life that you almost know is down the road but
it's not there yet, is a very lonely lonely.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
It is lonely. It is so lonely. I mean, when
I was living in that camper trailer, the furnace could
not keep up with the cold weather. I was sleeping
in several jackets, and I mean there were definitely times
where I was like, what in the world am I doing?
Or what have I done? But I never wanted to
pack it up and go home. There was never a
plan B. I was like, you know what, if it
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takes me thirty years, it don't matter if I end
up being just a songwriter, if I end up being
an artist, if whatever. I know that I'm supposed to
be here. And it was put on my heart for
a reason. Just like y'all's jobs are put on your
heart for a reason. You know, you knew that you
were supposed to track it down and see it through,
and you're doing that. And I think that's what we're
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supposed to do. If we're given a gift, I think
we need to share it.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Was there ever pressure from family or friends in a
way to sort of those years? I know for myself.
You know, from the moment that you leave home and
go to college through adulthood, there's this pressure at times
to settle down, start a family, all of that stuff.
And for people who live the creative life like us,
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they know that a lot of those things just aren't
the priority. And sometimes it's hard to explain that to
the people around you who think you're mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Oh I know, yeah, I think some of them are
still they still have me on the prayer list. I'm like,
he kissed my butt. Actually it was last December. I
went home for Christmas and a family member was over
at the house and literally said, so, Laney, at what
point in time are you going to come home and
just be a kindergarten teacher? When was this last December?
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (56:06):
And it took everything in May not to tell her
to kiss it, but I was like, you know what,
I think it's I think it's going pretty good. I
think we're right around the corner for something pretty dann magical.
And I'm like, take that. I hope she listened this podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, I kind of hope she does too. Also, you
missed earlier. But Jeff and I talked about how now
we're now going to be settling all three things through fighting,
so we're going to go fight her.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
I'm not trying to fight to ugan though.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I'm gonna be honest. No you no, no, no, you
and I are not fighting. We're not fighting ever. Uh. Also,
comments like that make make some the I've dealt with
my own fair share of that, and and you feel
so deeply unseen. It's it's it's almost like you have
no gift and no talent and no value unless the
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world is saying that you do. Yeah, and that got
that that person couldn't see you for the creative genius
that you are in advance as a real loss for them.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
And maybe this makes me like a sick individual. I
don't know, but honestly, it kind of made me want
it that much more.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I'm like, oh, you sit down and watch this, hold
my beer. You know, like we've got some stuff to do,
We've got some ground to cover. But I don't know,
I feel like a part of me is definitely like
doing this to show a lot of folks who didn't
believe in me, like, hey, I'm doing it, But also
more importantly, I'm doing it for a lot of the
folks who did believe in me too. I mean, yeah,
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my family believed in me before anybody did. You know.
My mama was the one who would sit in the
bathroom and listen to all my songs because that's where
the acoustics were the best. And my daddy's the one
who taught me how to play a few chords on
the guitar and everything from finding my team members in Nashville.
You know, a lot of people have took a chance
on me, whether they let me play their bar, whether
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they let me play at their grand opening of a
convenience store, or whether it was Taylor shared and given
me an opportunity for Yellowstone. It's just like, you know,
a lot of people have given me opportunities, and I'm
gonnaive it one hundred and ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
So you first have music uppear on the show from
your first album. Will you tell us about your new album?
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Absolutely? It's called Bell Bottom Country, which means country with
a flair. It's about finding whatever it is that makes
you you and different and leaning into it as much
as you possibly can. It could be where you're from,
the way that you were raised, the way that you talk,
the way that you dress. It's about being unapologetically yourself,
and just like we've been talking about on here, you know,
(58:37):
sometimes that's hard to do, but there's a big old
sense of freedom that comes along with it. In this
record right here definitely pulls back those layers and shows
who I truly am and what I want to say
and how I want to say it, and I'm proud
of it. I mean, every song on this record is
my baby, and a lot of the songs are on
the show, and it's just it's this is one of
(58:59):
the biggest moments of my career so far, and I'm
just so appreciative of all of the opportunities and the
belief in me, and I promise y'all won't I won't
let you down.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Landy, thank you so much for joining us. Today. Thank
you for sharing light with us. I'm certainly walking away
from this conversation inspired and excited, so I'll be down
there in the front row screen.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Thank y'all. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
So much, amazing, love your amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
What an incredible honor to be joined by Landy Wilson today.
Just like season five of Yellowstone, the Official Yellowstone Podcast
just goes up from here. It's just getting bigger from here.
Jen and I we're finally clicking after five years of
real enmity between us, real just contentious.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
It's nice to finally become friends.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I feel like just this forced proximity is making
us finally get along.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
We just want to thank everyone for tuning in to
another episode of the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We've got more
episodes coming to you weekly. We have more exciting guests,
so hang in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We have
an awesome show on tap for you today. Besides my
partner in crime, Jefferson White, I am so excited to
speak to the amazing new addition to the Yellowstone family
CMTS Breakout Artist of the Year and six times CMA
Award nominee, the amazing Lany Wilson. So stand by and
(00:35):
we will be right back with you. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Jed.
I want you to I'm here to do my weekly
check in on your muscles.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Bigger than ever, better than ever. My main issue right
now is sleep hygiene. Everybody who's serious into bodybuilding a
fitness says you have to get your sleep right, and
that's been hard for me because I've been traveling. Speaking
of traveling, we've recorded three episodes of this podcast together,
and I don't think you've been in the same state
for any two episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I haven't, not physically or mentally. I find that my
physical travel mimics my emotional state. I am currently in
Las Vegas. I'm here to watch the Junior World Finals.
I've made some friends with some young bull riders and
(01:41):
I'm here to cheer them on and see what this
world is about.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's incredible. So now you know you're deep in it,
h Yellowstone, You're getting deeper and deeper, digging deeper and
deeper into the rodeo world.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
That is correct. I have my manager and producing partner
here with me, and he is so new to this,
and you can tell that he lives a life where
safety is just sort of assumed. And Jeff, you know that,
like anytime you're dealing with animals and you're in the
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cowboy world, safety is not assumed anymore. So a gate
opened by accident while one kid was riding and the
bowl was careening towards him as the gate opened, and
I sort of grabbed my manager by the scruff of
his neck and pulled him out of the way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh my god, that's some cowboy shit right there.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's some cowboy shit.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I feel like you guys are having a bit of
a JD in summer moment, your JD. He's summer and
you're sort of you're showing him you're a little window
into your life. Does that feel fair to say it does?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I wish we had a visual side by side right
now for the audience so they could look at Nate
and Piper and see that the two humans couldn't look
more different. Jeff, you're traveling a lot as well. You're
on a plane today. I can't say as much. You
were just in Chicago. I was on a plane today
shooting a show Chicago p D. Yeah, I'm working on
Chicago p D. I'm having a great time over there.
(03:16):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's about as different from Yellowstone as possible. It's a
lot of sitting and talking as opposed to riding and falling,
so it's a really nice little refresher, but it also
makes me hungry to get back into Yellowstone. Speaking of which,
absolutely breathtaking new episode this week, couldn't like truly my
(03:38):
favorite episode of the season so far, and top five
favorite episodes ever.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'd say, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I was it
was my favorite episode when we read it, for sure,
for one scene in particular that did not fail to
meet my expectations. Potentially a more disastrous family dinner than
anything I've ever had at home, even a worse than
(04:06):
any worst Thanksgiving I've ever had, About as.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Bad as you can possibly imagine it going. You can
tell we'll get to it. We'll get to it, we'll
start out like the episode itself. We will craft some momentum.
We'll start at the beginning, and we'll build to that
climactic scene. So this episode starts out with I also,
I've come to love these episodes that start in the
(04:30):
flashback because I love seeing young RIP, I love seeing
young Beth, and I absolutely love seeing Josh Lucas as
young j D. I think it's so fun to start
in these flashbacks. Not to mention Arman Kai as Rowdy.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, all of those actors are so phenomenal, and it
was sort of doubly satisfying this episode because of the
way Taylor bookends the episode with with the exact moment
you know, however many years ago, and then in the
present day at the very end, which I loved.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's very cool this sort of heading out, you know,
it shows the JD rip. They've been doing this for
what thirty years, forty years JD's been doing it. These
guys have probably been doing this as long as they've
been alive, which really the sort of ritual and kind
of historical cultural significance of branding and gathering, you know,
(05:27):
no matter how many decades or centuries Yellowstone spans. There's
certain things that have stayed the same for one hundred years,
and this is a kind of beautiful expression of that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
There's a theme in the episode about that ties into
sameness and being tied into the land and how those
rules don't change, and it's sort of an offshoot, but
moving into the next scene with Beth and with Beth
and when she wakes up from that dream, there's this
(06:03):
amazing dialogue exchange where Beth says, yesterday is what eats me,
and Rip says, yesterday is what eats everybody. It's why
I don't think about it. And that moment really struck
me because Rip sort of represents the lifestyle and the
(06:24):
mentality of when you're tied into the land, there's really
no thinking about past or anything else. It's so immediate.
And Beth is sort of plagued by what most members
of society are, which is since you're so ungrounded in
the physical world, you're sort of left in this, in
(06:47):
this emotional, in this mental place that can kind of
carry you all over.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, they both have such difficult pasts, right, Both Beth
and Rip have these difficult, complicated pasts, and they handle
that in such different ways. Beth is clearly spending this
season processing some of these painful memories, some of this shame,
some of this trauma from her past. And Rip's attitude is,
(07:15):
you know, what's dead is buried, and I have work
to do today. I'm going to head out today and
handle what's right in front of me, this animal, I'm
responsible for, the guy to my left, the guide to
my right. That's my job.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Today, totally. And we've hit on this before, but when
we're shooting those scenes that involve animals, that involve work,
because we usually are doing right what we appear to
be doing, you're completely out of your head in those
moments as well. There's no room for thought or actor
thought or second guessing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's all so immediate, you're so right, and it is
such a sort of actor I don't want to speak
for other actors, but I spend so much time worrying about,
Oh fuck, I missed an opportunity in that scene I
could have tried to do this, or ah shit, I
wish I could get another crack at that scene from
season two. You know, that's dwelling on the past, and
this is a good reminder to all of us like, hey, hey,
(08:11):
wake up, look at what's right in front of you.
Keep moving forward.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think I think you nailed
it right there.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So so much of this episode revolves around this tradition
and this custom and this just part of cowboy work,
which is that we're going to go out and we're
going to gather. And when a ranch is as big
as the Yellowstone Ranch, that's not an easy matter. So
in practical terms, there are cows scattered over many, many
(08:43):
miles of terrain, of varied terrain. We're talking about Montana,
We're talking about mountains and prairies and rivers, and in
practical terms, a lot of this episode is spent sort
of preparing to go out and round up the herd.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, And there's this wonderful dichotomy. You get the sense
that the work is going to be hard, that there
are a lot of creature comforts that one is going
to give up, and at the same time it is
something that fills everybody with such joy. It's almost like
the version of what we were just talking about in
(09:24):
terms of when you're working with animals and dealing with
the land and how it makes you be very present.
This is sort of that moment on steroids when all
of your creature comforts are stripped away. And you even
see it in the scene later on in the episode
where Casey and Monica are sitting on the porch talking
and he talks about going and gathering and branding, and
(09:47):
Luke did this really wonderful thing. You see this sort
of smile break out across his face. And given what
they're going through right now and how we've seen these
two people, that's that's quite a monumentous moment.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it is amazing that for those two characters particularly,
they need a little bit of joy, They need a
little bit of you know, respite from the tragedy that
has racked them for years now. And it's so nice
to see them come together and their resilience in the
face of that tragedy and sort of you know, yeah,
(10:25):
get excited to relive this tradition that they both probably
participated and since they were kids.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I want to jump
to the dinner scene.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Because I know it's good. It's so juicy. It's so juicy.
Let me hit a couple more quick pot points. But
I feel the same way. We all know it's coming.
It has a sort of you know, ever since Summer
moved into the house, there is this gravity between Summer
and Bath that you can sense that the disaster is looming.
So so, as you mentioned, you know, they're going out
(10:59):
to either and it's it's it is, you know, it's
it's pretty cowboy Rip says to to Lloyd, Hey, you know,
just cold packs. We're cold camping. I forget exactly what
he says, but basically, we're packing sleeping bags and we're
sleeping out under the stars and Fory J. Smith as
Lloyd gives us a classic fory J. Smith yeehaw and
says that's cowboys shit right there, which I always love.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it was. I mean, you know that on the day,
we probably did that scene twelve times for all the
coverage that we needed, and that yeehaw like never failed
to sort of cheer me up as we set up
and broke broke down the fence for the one hundredth time.
And actually, that scene, Jeff is one of my is
(11:46):
one of my favorite scenes in the entire episode. The
scene that happens between Summer and Carter. There's there I
think I feel like Carter has the best sort of
the best line of the episode, and certainly it's in
that exchange when when she says that he says that
(12:10):
God puts out the fire, God brings rain, and she says,
nature puts out the fire, kid, and he says, that's
what I said, implying that nature is God. And I
feel like that was the star moment of the episode
for me, actually, even though I was even though I
really wanted to jump to the fight.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, that is such a beautiful moment, and between these
two characters who are both kind of fish out of water,
just Carter demonstrating this sort of slow wisdom that he's gained,
this kind of you know, he's been on the ranch,
he's he's you know, being put through his paces. He's
really growing in so many ways, and that that feels
(12:49):
like one moment where Carter demonstrates the wisdom. He's a crude,
you know. Jimmy had some of these moments too, where
you get shpit on her for seasons, you really seasons
everything out of your mouth. Rip walks by and goes,
shut the fuck up, that's wrong, you know, And for
once Carter managed to Carter managed to have a nice,
(13:09):
wise little moment I'm glad Rip was nowhere near him
to like smack him and tell him to get some manners,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, And then Taylor does this amazing, this really wonderful
writing thing after that, which is, I don't even know
what the heck that camp? What kind of camp is?
Is it a Scott a Spy camp, Sky think Spike camp,
A Spike camp. I don't know. I don't know, and
neither to Summer. And the moment that is so great
is that Carter doesn't know either. She asks him what
(13:37):
it is after this kid has sort of channeled wisdom
from the universe and he says, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing. I loved it. Throughout this episode,
there's this kind of mounting excitement. There's this feeling that
we're going out, We're going on this journey together, we
all know what it means, and there's this kind of recruiting,
you know, there's this all these other characters are sort
of getting cruited to this cause, including Clara, which I
really love. There's this amazing scene between Clara and JD
(14:05):
where it sort of becomes clear that Clara's going to
come on this journey too, and I think that's so fun.
It has this kind of gravity, you know that this journey,
this riding out to go gather, has this kind of
a gravity. And throughout this episode, you're seeing these characters
sort of prepare themselves for it, some of them knowing
what they're getting into with, you know, a sort of
smiling familiarity, and some of them embarking on this for
(14:28):
the first time, including Carter, including Clara.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Jeff. Speaking of the conversations between John and Clara in
this episode, there's a moment where Clara meets Casey and
she says to John, is that your youngest son? And
John says, that's my only son? Right? Pretty hurts the
(14:52):
heart now even to say yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Rough for Jamie, I mean Jamie, this whole season has
been this real test of Jamie's place in the family.
It's been another time that Jamie's loyalty is tested. You know,
Beth is really pushing him to the limit, and to
hear jd you know, dismiss him so brutally, that's a
(15:17):
rough one.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And it's not the only time in the episode that
John says something about Jamie that's incredibly painful. There's the
moment at the end where he ends up complimenting Beth,
but he says, I have a child that I miss,
one that I pity, one that I regret, and one
that I envy for Beth. But again, Jamie gets it
(15:42):
pretty hard, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Before we get too deep, let's take a quick break
and we'll be right back. This season is a highs
and lows for Jamie because this episode has another dare
I say, sexy rendezvous between between Jamie and Sarah. So
(16:08):
it's not all bad for Jamie this season.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, that scene is so sexy that when I was
taking notes on it, I just wrote, this is very hot,
hot sexy scene, and then put some stars around it
and then maybe circled it. Then decided I don't know
how to talk about that except by being like hot sexy.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, we can acknowledge that, you know, Jamie is suddenly
being sort of lured deeper into what seems like a trap.
You know, we saw Sarah basically picking Jamie out of
a lineup and saying, that's the weak point. That's the
weakness that I'm going to exploit to destroy this family.
(16:50):
So since then, it has had a bit of a
feeling of a slow motion car crash. Like a sensual
slow motion car crash.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Right, and it's not. It doesn't feel to me like
the wall is being completely pulled over his eyes. It
feels like he sort of knows it. There's a look
of agreement between the two of them about what is happening,
despite whatever they say on the surface. But you know,
at the end of the day, she makes an offer
(17:22):
he can't refuse.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
She makes an offer, she makes an offer he's not
quite equipped to refuse, so, you know, speaking to Jamie.
Jamie is also a conspicuous absence from the dinner table
in perhaps the most uh the biggest, most wide ranging,
(17:44):
explosive dinner scene yet, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, and that opening shot, the way that everybody was
sitting there, I was kidding, Like the last supper images,
you know, you saw the length of the table. It
also felt to me like that odd meal after a funeral.
But I have to say it ends up being the
(18:09):
most lively supper I've never been to.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, thank god, I'm glad. I'm glad it's never quite
gotten that bad. At my family reunions.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I have to say, as somebody who has a very
very opinionated vegan in their family, eating with them is
a pain in the ass. And I say this as
somebody who was vegan for about two years. I've been vegan.
Somehow I got gout while I was vegan, which is
another episode of another show. But the shaming at the
(18:45):
table is usually where I draw the line.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's pretty rough. Yeah, you know who's the least judgmental
vegan I've ever met?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Denham Richards totally not judgmental.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He's not judgmental, but he is specific about what he's
gonna eat. I'll order like a hamburger and fries and
he'll be like, oh, cool man, enjoy that. And then
he'll be like, do you guys have talk to me
about your lettuce varietals? And they'll be like, bro, this
is a dairy queen in Montana. And he'll be like,
and you know, tell me about tell me aboutkay. So
you got lettuce, you got tomato? Maybe just give me
(19:20):
a pile of lettuce and tomato.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I feel like I watched Denims slowly starve to death
over the course of a season as there just isn't
anything for him to eat.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
There really is, And every time I'm with it, Yeah,
it's always a series of disappointments. He'll be like, you
guys got lettuce. They'll be like no, He'll be like rice, Nope.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
We have lettuce. But we have lettuce. But we battered
and Frieday did you use egg and mapatter? We did? Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Do you guys have ice? Maybe just some ice in
a glass?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, there might be milk product in it. Okay, yes?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Uh? Back back back to summer and and her her
food shaming at the table. Jeff, how do you how
do you feel about uh, does somebody have.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like that's my little cat? Can you hear him? He
wants to get involved.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
With somebody holding a woman hostage?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
In No, no, no, I'm not gin No, I'm not
holding a woman hostage. Hell, how do you feel that's
my little cat?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I really want to meet that cat. I'm so allergic.
How do you feel about Beth's handling of summer?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh yeah, there's something about summer that really reverts Beth
to uh the young fierce kind of pre logic, pre
logic Beth. You know Beth normally, she's got some uh
what do you call him? Checks and balances in her brain.
Beth's not usually just throwing fists first, This cat is
(21:00):
so cute.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
She usually, no, the cat loves this part of the
yet she's just like you're talking about the dinner part.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Oh man, he wants to get involved, so be Beth.
Usually she's so smart, she usually uses other tools at
her disposal. She has so many tools at her disposal.
She's so brilliant. But something about Summer turns Beth into
kind of takes her to a sort of pre logic,
(21:27):
pre intellect space, a kind of primal space.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, and she is about to go on this gathering
and branding, which is she's about to go cowboy. And
if we look back, I think to the season before
where Rip actually takes out Walker and Lloyd to settle
it in an arena, and it sort of feels like
(21:56):
her version of that.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
You really are. Yeah, we've seen we've seen the men
on this show handle conflicts in this way. It's happened
a few times. There's been these sort of fair fights.
The same thing happens with Casey and Rip. Right, Yeah,
there's a sort of explosive fight between Casey and Rip
I think in season two or season three. So we've
seen that this is a sort of custom on the ranch.
(22:20):
It is a conflict resolution protocol. You know, you go
to HR and you say I'm having an issue and
they say, have you tried standing in the middle of
a circle of your friends and punching each other until
somebody faints?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Have you tried hitting?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I love that Monica gets joy out of this dynamic
as they go out. It's the first time we see
her laugh. I found that to be a lovely sort
of framing of this framing of it, and Clara's POV
on this whole thing might be my favorite POV.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's so funny that the Outsiders every time somebody new
sits down at that table, it's such a funny you know,
baptism into the Dutton family dynamics and there is something,
you know, I think throughout the show there's been this
kind of interesting idea of there is a kind of
brutal simplicity that can also serve as a bonding agent.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You know, so totally.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Casey and Rip kind of had to fight it out,
Lloyd and Walker kind of had to fight it out.
We've seen this in some ways. There's a cathartic release
that comes from this kind of fistfight that you know
makes it seems to actually serve as a bond at times.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Totally. It's very different than what you and I do, Jeff,
which is that we never have it out with anyone.
We repress all of our feelings and our aggravations, and
then we just hold grudges against a person until one
one of us dies.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, and or we sort of have it. I sort
of punish myself. Yeah. You know what what Beth does
to summer, I sort of do to myself in the mirror.
It's poisoning myself to try to hurt my enemies. I think.
Is that is a term I've heard before. Yeah, we'll
get you want to get better at conflict? Right now, Jen, Jen?
(24:24):
Right now? Do you want to have a slug out?
A slugfest?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I'm not saying yes on air.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Next time I see you, we drop the gloves and
we just punch each other until we're until we're better off,
you know, until we're better friends for it. So, Jen,
let's let's let's get down and dirty and dig into
some of the details of this fight. Yep. Because I
spoke with with Piper briefly about the process choreographing this
(24:56):
fight about how long. It seems like Piper and Cal
really invested in getting this thing right and the results
were incredible. So walk us through that fight a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean, I remember as well, when the rehearsals were
going on for that fight, I felt like they had
so many. There was one that I almost went to
because it became a thing that you could do in
your free time. The Beth lands. Beth strikes first, and
(25:28):
then she I believe, she strikes again and again. Does
she not hit Summer a few times before Summer finally,
you know, wallops her back.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, Beth's a striker and Summer's like a grappler, you know.
Summer tries to take it to the ground. Beth's a
stand up fighter. She's I think she's got reach. She
throws a head button there at some point that is
particularly vicious.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, the I mean, the fight gets the fight is
going on, and it's dirty and they're hurt. And then,
for whatever reason, the fight is so elevated to me
when Rip comes out and sort of there was something
He comes out there to sort of settle it and
(26:15):
to make it civilized, right, and yet it becomes so
much more brutal I found myself flinching so much more
at this sort of you go, I go of it all,
and this it stops being fun and games. The fight
for me up to that point is like sort of
fun and exciting. And then to watch them take independent
(26:38):
blows at each other made my spine, you know, tremble
a bit. And then there's that amazing moment where Piper
is eventually down on the ground and Beth looks to
Rip like what do I do next? Because we're now
(26:59):
under his sort of fight choreography in a way, and
she sort of you know, takes his lead, and then
the Summer character starts sobbing. And I loved that moment
because I have had many experiences in my life where
I physically hit a limit and I just start sobbing.
(27:22):
And I usually start sobbing about everything that has ever
happened to me and everything that I'm trying to hold
on to.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, there's this kind of release in that moment, you know,
Summer has sum Are just spent a year in jail
because of Beth, because of John Dutton, because she got
wrapped up in this match. She just spent a year
in jail. So there's all of these pent up feelings,
this frustration, this anger, this pain, and it feels like
(27:53):
in this moment, Yeah, when she breaks down, she's not
just breaking down because she got hit. It feels like
all of this frustration really comes to a head. And Yeah,
there's a Catharsis in it. You know, there really is
a release there.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, and then they sort of walk back, They start
to walk back into that house like all right, it's
out of your system. Beth makes a snide remark and
then remembers, Oh, we're not doing that anymore. And Summer
talks about respect, about being treated with respect, and Beth says,
you'll be treated with you'll get back what you give.
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And again there was a flash across Piper's face when
she played that moment, and it was awesome because she
sort of realized who she's been and what she's been doing. Yeah,
that for.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sure goes both ways. I hope I think that Also,
it seems like in that fight, Summer really earns some
of Beth's respect because she does give as good as
she gets. She takes the hits and throws hits back.
So I it seems like in that moment those two
women really see each other clearly for the first time
with some of the layers of they're both very smart,
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they both have very strong opinions. It feels like they
see each other on a deeper level at the end
of that sequence totally.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And then not much later in the episode, we find
them at the table again. Of course it looks like nighttime,
but it's pre dawn and there's breakfast, and everybody gets
up from the table to leave, and Summer looks so
lonely without them, And I just love the way Taylor
framed that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, I think that is beautiful. There's this kind of
bonding that happens, there's these as contentious as those dinner
table scenes are, there's also a reason everybody comes back,
you know. There's this kind of profound bonding that they
represent too. So, yeah, like you said, now we're the
next morning. If you're going to wake up to go gather,
you're waking up long before the sun rises because you've
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got a long ride ahead of you. And there's this
beautiful sort of montage of everybody getting ready and getting
ready to head out.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, and there's a couple of great moments towards the
end where Monica says to summer. I guess if it
doesn't make you cry to see your family right away,
you shouldn't have a family. And of course some are
looking a bit for Clempton that moment, I feel like
she's suddenly for me in that moment that Duttons became
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her family. And there's also that great moment with the
legend Buck Taylor. And for those of you who don't know,
Buck Taylor is a legend of the Western world, not
only as an actor but as an artist, and John
sort of what does he say to him, but basically
questions whether or not he's got another one in him,
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and Buck Taylor says, I'll race your ass to the top, Governor.
And also just Buck Taylor saying ass is this interesting
thing in and of itself because he is just such
a gentle, artful man.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So absolutely one of my favorite episodes ever. Let's take
a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna
be talking with Lanny Wilson. We want to welcome CMA
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twenty twenty two Female Vocalist of the Year and New
Artists of the Year. ACM's twenty twenty two New Female
Artists of the Year and now officially actor and our
dear friend, Laney Wilson.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Oh my god, what an intro, What a dyang intro, Laney.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
We feel so honored, so lucky to have you with
us today.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Dude, I'm so excited to be just hanging out with y'all,
Chett and it's going be fun. We got a lot
to catch up on.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, I feel Lenny, I feel like you're the busiest
person in America right now. I don't know how you
hold it all together.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Girl. I have probably slept in my bed in Nashville
a total of thirteen fourteen nights this year.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's crazy, but it has been a hell of a ride,
and were just getting started.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Also, before we go any further, can I just say
that you're amazing on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Thank you you are. I mean, I'm going to learn
from the best.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, You're naturally fantastic in a way that could make
a lot of seasoned actors annoyed, because you just know
how to do it, and you are so charismatic and
so detailed in every single scene that I've seen you in.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I appreciate that so much. I guess I will say
that even though I've never done anything like this. I mean,
this is my first rodeo with acting, but I guess
in a way, I do get on stage and act
certain nights because I mean, you know, there's days when
I have bad days and I don't feel like getting
up there and acting like you know, I'm there to
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have a heck of a time or whatever. But it's
just a part of the job. So I guess I
kind of have been doing that in a way for years,
just a different way.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's so interesting because obviously, I think something that I
admire so much about your music is that it's not
unambiguously happy. It's not just a sort of sugar coated
version of your life. It feels very true, it feels
very honest, and it also not to get to theoretical here,
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but acting, it feels like, is in a lot of
ways about stripping away layers, stripping away masks, and sort
of revealing this kind of intimate truth beneath that.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Can you just talk about your your songwriting process, how
you apply that to your experience on set. We just
talk about that a little, but I'm so.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Curious, absolutely so before I was an artist, before anything,
I was a songwriter. I mean, I wrote my first
song at nine years old, and I brought it to
my mama and it was a song called Lucky Me,
and I sang it to her and I think she
kind of thought, oh, this is you know, just kind
of those one and done type things. But the next
week I brought her another one. The next week, I
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brought her another one, and it just it really took
hold of me in my heart. And it was one
of those things where I felt like I had no
other option but to do it, because it really was
away from me to express myself. You know where I'm from.
I'm from northeast Louisiana, from a town of two hundred people.
Country music is life. I mean, we eat, sleep, and
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breathe it. It is truly a way of life. We
lived out those songs. And so for me, writing country
music was really just me pulling back those layers and
me sharing the way that I grew up, in the
way that I was raised. And I tell you what,
I'm so thankful for songwriting because it has gotten me
through some hard times. It is my therapy and I
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have really learned how to step outside of my comfort
zone with songwriting. I mean, especially when you're co writing
with people. You have to sit there and you have
to have to tell people the way that you really
feel about things, and then you kind of hear like
another angle, maybe you know a different side of the story,
and it makes you a more understanding person too. And
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I feel like I've just learned a whole lot about
myself and about life in the writing room. And so
when it comes to this opportunity, you know, when Taylor
called me back in February, He's like, you know, I've
got this idea, he said, I want to create a
character specifically for you. I want you to pretty much
be yourself, you know, I want you to wear your
bell bottoms and sing your songs. And I said, I
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can do that. You know, if anything, I have learned
that me being myself is I don't even know how
to put it. Let's see, you can try to be
everything else under the sun. I mean, when I moved
to Nashville, I saw all the things that were working.
I saw all the kind of music that was working.
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But I have a lot of people in my corner
and in my life who remind me where I come
from and who I truly am. So I have a
really hard time being anything other than myself. So Jim,
when you said I look natural or whatever it was,
because I did. He gave me that opportunity just to
be myself. And so I'm excited though, to take on
another role of some sort later on down the road
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and give it a try. And you know, maybe I'll
try something without this thick accent. We'll see what happens.
But it's been such a cool opportunity that Lenny do.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
People compare you energetically in ways to Dolly Parton all.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The time, and as the best compliment that anybody can
give me us like the fat of the sun, the
Holy Spirit, Dolly Parton period.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You know, it's so interesting. It feels like part of
what people respond to with Yellowstone is this feeling of authenticity.
You know, you're describing growing up in Louisiana really sort
of living the culture and the lifestyle that you're singing
about about, you know, writing in your songs about your
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authentic lived experience. I think that's also part of what
people respond to with Yellowstone because a lot of these stories,
a lot of these struggles, a lot of this culture
and this history are real and are coming from a
place of tremendous authenticity because they're coming from Taylor, somebody
who grew up in this world, and he has seeded
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throughout the show people just like you from backgrounds that
make it feel so real. So I'm thinking of, you know,
Ryan Bingham, who similarly has a character that's written for
him that nobody else could play but him. I'm thinking
of Moe brings Plenty, who plays the character Moe, who
has a character that has written for him that nobody
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else could play. We spoke last week with Piper Perabo,
who plays Summer, who has a part written exactly for her.
So I think that it can't help but sort of
permeate throughout the whole environment on set and then throughout
the whole experience for the viewer that in many cases,
the people telling this story, the story of Yellowstone, are
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telling a true story from their own lives. Yeah, it's such.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
A fascinating thing.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, podas ask.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So you start out in one place, you know, writing
these songs just for yourself. You're nine years old. It's
a quiet, intimate space for you to express yourself. Now
flash forward it's twenty twenty two. You are forgive me.
I don't want to embarrass you. You are a rock star,
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you're a music star, you are a famous sensation in
this world. And that's a little bit like the phenomenon
of going on to this set. You know, you're supposed
to play yourself, You're supposed to sort of have this quiet,
intimate moment with Ian Bowen, who plays Ryan. But being
on set is not quiet and intimate. There's fucking three
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hundred people standing around pointing one hundred thousand dollars supercomputers
at you. So you can sort of have a quiet, cute,
little moment. How do you stay yourself? How do you
hold on to that authentic core when these big, like exciting,
sort of huge forces are swirling around you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I will say the last three or so years, I
feel like, you know, even during the pandemic, I spent
so much time like behind a camera, whether it was
my own cell phone or doing something else just to
put on social media. I feel like I almost forced
myself to get comfortable with it. And over the last
two years or so, I feel like I've done so
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many like interviews, and I've noticed that the things that
people relate to and latch onto are the moments when
I am being one hundred and ninety percent real and
genuine to myself. Even if I say something that kind
of makes your eyebrows raise or makes your skin crawl
a little bit, like at the end of the day,
at least I made you feel something, right, So I
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will say, whenever I showed up to set, I mean,
I didn't know what to expect. I knew that I
had met a few of y'all during twenty twenty when
I came up and I played the little acoustics show
for the cast and crew during the pandemic, and I
knew that the folks that I had met then they
were super nice. But I'll be honest, I thought for
a second, I was like, I mean, these people could
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literally be like, who is this girl coming up in
here acting like she'd been acting her whole like girl,
go back home. I didn't know, because I'll be honest,
if somebody was trying to come up into my you know,
like get on stage and act like she was a
singer or whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That's funny. You should mention it. I actually have some
songs i'd like to play for you if you don't mind.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
They're beautiful.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Hey, you know what I love different No, but everybody
made me feel so welcome, and a lot of people,
you know, they were fans of my music and I
was fans of theirs, and so it was just this
like mutual respect that we had for each other, and
it just made me feel comfortable. And you know, Taylor,
I think maybe saw something to me before I even
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saw it in myself. And I don't take that lightly.
I appreciate that very much. And it's given me the
courage to step outside of my comfort zone and try
new things. And I think, at the end of the day,
if you're not doing that, then you're not growing. And
I want to grow to it. I want to. I
want to try new things. I want to be better.
I want to I want to do things that are scary.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's also it's true, correct me if I'm wrong. I
think you have four original songs that are being featured
in this season of Yellowstone. You know, these songs that
you are writing and performing. It also is such a
gift to the show. It feels like such an honor
for us that your story is so intimately lining up
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with this huge story, and it feels like such a
sort of gift that to have those songs on the show.
What does that feel like for you? These stories about
your own life going out to an audience of I
don't know, like one hundred and eighty million people or
some insane statistics.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I'll tell you what. There's some folks back at home
now that I'm in Yellowstone, They're like, oh, you really
are making it now, they tell I'm like, is that
what it took? Is that what it took? It's huge,
It really is huge. You could not plan for this
to happen, and this to line up with a way
that my music career is going right now, and any
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opportunity I have to share my music with the world,
sign me up.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I mean, no matter what, songwriting is always going to
be my number one because that's what has given me
opportunities to begin with, and that's my roots. But it
is so cool to even think about that nine year
old little girl who was writing their first song, and
you know, I wasn't writing things that were completely true
to myself because I was writing about to killing cigarettes
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and we didn't even have to killing cigarettes at the house.
So but to think that I have, you know, I
have dove in and I have shown that vulnerable side
to me. And written songs about my personal life and
I get to share that with a huge audience. Is
it's scary, but also there's a sense of freedom that
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comes along with it. And I hope people can can
hear these songs and think like, dang, you know, she
wrote the song for me. I just I want people
to to feel like I wrote my music for them
and their story and the way that they feel, and
I want them to feel like they're not a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, I can tell you that your music does
feel that way, and I feel that way when I
listen to your music, and I love being a fan
of somebody who I like so much. I have a
question about your music style, and just your personal style
is so unique in a mashup of so many things.
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And one of the things I thought about when I
first saw you and met you was just icon. You
just are an icon. And I wonder if you always
were comfortable mashing these sort of different genres together, or
if there was a moment in your career when you
tried to fit into a box a little bit more
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and went, well, screw it, nobody wants me in that box.
I'm just gonna do whatever the hell I want.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
When I moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, I didn't
know anybody. There was this one guy from my home town, Basking,
who wanted to be a singer, songwriter, producer back in
the late seventies, and my grandfather had actually given him
a few hundred dollars to help you move to Nashville
and get started. So as a favor in return, he
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let me park my camper trailer in his studio parking
lot for free for the first three years I was there,
and I would walk over to the studio every single
day and I'd write songs with him, and I mean
we wrote three hundred plus songs together. He's the one
that really taught me how to do that. And he
taught me how to put myself into the shoes of
whatever it is that we're writing about. I mean, we
could be written about this dang hair brush right here,
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and he taught me how to like feel everything that
that hair brush was feeling. And I will say, the
kind of songs that I've been writing, the things that
I've been writing about my entire life, it's still the same.
I feel like, of course, I've kind of gotten to
the point where my give a damn is busted. I'm
just a little bit like what you see is what
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you get. What I do now is what I did
years ago. Of course I have grown and I've become
a better songwriter and a better singer. But this has
been it. This truly has even when I first got
to Nashville. I don't know why it has taken me
so long, though, I feel like, you know, I've been
in Nashville for eleven years. I kind of feel like
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a part of my story was supposed to be time.
I think people were supposed to hear my story and
you know think, Okay, well she's thirty years old and
it took her a lot longer than it took some folks,
but she stuck it out. And I hope people see
that if you keep your head down and you keep
your blinders on, and you roll your sleeves up like
there ain't nothing that you can accomplish, you just you
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let you turn those nose into yes's and just go
get the dain thing yourself, because ain't nobody gonna hand
it to you.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I love that. I also got the sense while you
were talking that it wasn't about you that took time,
but it took. It took the music industry time to
catch up with you. That's what it was, an acquired
taste by everyone.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I'm going to go days. No, I know that it
would have probably been a lot easier had I gone
another route and maybe did everything that was popular during
that time. And I could have done it, but I'm
way too hard headed. I know who I am, and
like I said earlier, I've got way too many people
in my life who would be like Lane, that is
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not you and quit acting like it is. So, yeah,
this is it, you know, if it all goes downhill tomorrow,
at least I could say that every part of this
was me being genuine to myself and to my Raisin
and my family.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
And yeah, I'm going to get really la for a
second because you said hard headed. I'm a little obsessed
with astrology and you think I am. Aren't you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (47:46):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
You're not. I thought you were a Capricorn. What are you?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm a Taurus.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You're a Taurus. Okay, to what are you? Sign? Hard
headed bull? Taurus is my moon sign. I'm a Virgo,
so like I love me on Earth sign, and I
like I knew you or an earth sign. Sorry, guys,
thanks for thanks for indulging me in that.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, I'm hard headed.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's so funny. Yeah, because it's really like our whole job.
It's so refreshing talking to you, and it's so clear
how firmly you stand in yourself and have such a
sort of clear distinct idea of yourself that is impermeable,
because I feel like my whole job is to uh
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not have that and to just be whatever somebody else
wants me to be at any given time. So, and
it's a fascinating thing trying gelling and sort of reconciling
these two different things. Like your music career is based
on you as an authentic, unique individual. Nobody else could
write your songs, nobody else could perform your songs, or
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dress like you or have your presence. And then acting
is this kind of strange. There isn't a contradiction here,
but there's a sort of an apparent contradiction here because
some of the best actors, some of the coolest performances
come from people who are so distinctly themselves, Like nobody
could play this character like you play her. You are
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the only person who could ever have been Babby and
at the same time you're also Laney. You know, it's
a really it's a fascinating contradiction that I think I'll spend,
you know, the rest of my career trying to wrap
my head around it.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Really is fascinating. For sure. I'm so glad that Tyler
didn't say, but you can't talk the way that you talk, because.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I can't wait for it. This is all method acting.
And when Yellowstone's done, you're gonna reveal that you actually have,
you know, a New York action.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yes, I actually talk like this, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
There's the California that's exactly right. The California is popping out.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I hate bel bottoms.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It would be so terrifying and heartbreaking. I'd be like,
no go back.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But also so impressive, also so impressive, if you don't mind,
How exactly did you meet Taylor? How did that relationship
first come about?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
So I had not even signed a record deal at
this time, and I had just put out a self
titled EP, and there was a song on there called
working Overtime that my manager Mandolin, which she was hanging
out there on set to the Little Curly Headed Girl Run.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
She she pitched my music to w Me, my book
and agent, and w and Me had sent the music
over to Andrea Van Forrester, who is such a huge
champion of mine, and she pretty much introduced my music
to Taylor that way. And so I know he was
doing a horse raining competition out in Vegas and he
invited me to come out there and play a horse
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raining show. That's where I got to meet him and
thank him for putting Working overtime my song. It was
episode one, season two. It was when the bull was
busting into the bar and which is one of my
still one of my favorite scenes of just the entire show.
And so I got to meet him at this horse
raining competition and just got to know him and got
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to talk about my love for horses and how I
grew up on the back of a horse, and we
exchanged numbers and he said, you know, like I want
to help you, He said, you know, I just I
love what you do, and I want you to keep
sending me music. If you think it'd be something good
for the show, just text it over to me. So
for a couple of years, I would just if I
wrote something that I thought Mike would be a good fit.
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I'd send it to him, and Mandolin would send it
to Andrea and just kind of, you know, was super
excited about those opportunities because I mean I have had
people show up to my shows and be like, I
found you through Yellowstone, which is crazy to think that
a show can have that much of an impact when
it comes to the music. So forward a little bit.
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He ended up putting a couple more of my songs
in the show from my record, saying what I'm thinking,
and we just kept up, kept staying in contact. I
went out to the ranch and in twenty twenty and
I played a little private show for the cast and
crew during the pandemic because everybody's getting real antsy, and
got to hang out with Taylor a little more there.
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And in February he just called me and said, you know,
I've got this idea. He said, I want to create
a character specifically for you. And I remember I was
on the phone outside of my house and I have
this little French bulldog, her name is Hippie, and she
took out running towards the road. So I'm on the
phone with Taylor running trying to catch my dog before
car comes around the corner, and so I was out
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of breath and I'm like, hold on a minute, Yes,
I'm interested, I'll do it. So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
I'm like just being mindful of time and making sure
I want to like hit certain things, and it ties
into time in a bigger way. You said you only
slept like fourteen nays in your bed or something this year.
So on like January fourth, you are going on what
a twenty seven city tour. I'm anticipating that you will
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be sleeping in your bed even less than this and years.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's okay. You know, I feel like we've
been working hard to work even harder. This is my
very first headlining tour. Amazing. It's it's almost sold out,
which is mind blowing for me because I mean I
feel like it wasn't that long ago when I mean
nobody knew my music, my mama and that was it,
you know. But it's crazy how like I said, it's
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all about that time, and I was supposed to wait
this long and it was all worth it. Looking back
on it now, I'm like, if it was had I
known that it was going to feel like this, you know,
then I wouldn't have been too upset about it taking
me as long as it did.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Also, I feel like loneliness in some way is sort
of inherent into the creative process, especially with songwriting, at
least that's what I've heard. And I feel like the
amount of time that you probably spent alone, not just
you know, you could have been with people, but I
know that the feeling of when you're not living the
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life that you almost know is down the road but
it's not there yet, is a very lonely lonely.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
It is lonely. It is so lonely. I mean, when
I was living in that camper trailer, the furnace could
not keep up with the cold weather. I was sleeping
in several jackets, and I mean there were definitely times
where I was like, what in the world am I doing?
Or what have I done? But I never wanted to
pack it up and go home. There was never a
plan B. I was like, you know what, if it
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takes me thirty years, it don't matter if I end
up being just a songwriter, if I end up being
an artist, if whatever. I know that I'm supposed to
be here. And it was put on my heart for
a reason. Just like y'all's jobs are put on your
heart for a reason. You know, you knew that you
were supposed to track it down and see it through,
and you're doing that. And I think that's what we're
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supposed to do. If we're given a gift, I think
we need to share it.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Was there ever pressure from family or friends in a
way to sort of those years? I know for myself.
You know, from the moment that you leave home and
go to college through adulthood, there's this pressure at times
to settle down, start a family, all of that stuff.
And for people who live the creative life like us,
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they know that a lot of those things just aren't
the priority. And sometimes it's hard to explain that to
the people around you who think you're mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Oh I know, yeah, I think some of them are
still they still have me on the prayer list. I'm like,
he kissed my butt. Actually it was last December. I
went home for Christmas and a family member was over
at the house and literally said, so, Laney, at what
point in time are you going to come home and
just be a kindergarten teacher? When was this last December?
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (56:06):
And it took everything in May not to tell her
to kiss it, but I was like, you know what,
I think it's I think it's going pretty good. I
think we're right around the corner for something pretty dann magical.
And I'm like, take that. I hope she listened this podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, I kind of hope she does too. Also, you
missed earlier. But Jeff and I talked about how now
we're now going to be settling all three things through fighting,
so we're going to go fight her.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
I'm not trying to fight to ugan though.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I'm gonna be honest. No you no, no, no, you
and I are not fighting. We're not fighting ever. Uh. Also,
comments like that make make some the I've dealt with
my own fair share of that, and and you feel
so deeply unseen. It's it's it's almost like you have
no gift and no talent and no value unless the
(56:55):
world is saying that you do. Yeah, and that got
that that person couldn't see you for the creative genius
that you are in advance as a real loss for them.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
And maybe this makes me like a sick individual. I
don't know, but honestly, it kind of made me want
it that much more.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (57:14):
I'm like, oh, you sit down and watch this, hold
my beer. You know, like we've got some stuff to do,
We've got some ground to cover. But I don't know,
I feel like a part of me is definitely like
doing this to show a lot of folks who didn't
believe in me, like, hey, I'm doing it, But also
more importantly, I'm doing it for a lot of the
folks who did believe in me too. I mean, yeah,
(57:36):
my family believed in me before anybody did. You know.
My mama was the one who would sit in the
bathroom and listen to all my songs because that's where
the acoustics were the best. And my daddy's the one
who taught me how to play a few chords on
the guitar and everything from finding my team members in Nashville.
You know, a lot of people have took a chance
on me, whether they let me play their bar, whether
(57:57):
they let me play at their grand opening of a
convenience store, or whether it was Taylor shared and given
me an opportunity for Yellowstone. It's just like, you know,
a lot of people have given me opportunities, and I'm
gonnaive it one hundred and ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
So you first have music uppear on the show from
your first album. Will you tell us about your new album?
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Absolutely? It's called Bell Bottom Country, which means country with
a flair. It's about finding whatever it is that makes
you you and different and leaning into it as much
as you possibly can. It could be where you're from,
the way that you were raised, the way that you talk,
the way that you dress. It's about being unapologetically yourself,
and just like we've been talking about on here, you know,
(58:37):
sometimes that's hard to do, but there's a big old
sense of freedom that comes along with it. In this
record right here definitely pulls back those layers and shows
who I truly am and what I want to say
and how I want to say it, and I'm proud
of it. I mean, every song on this record is
my baby, and a lot of the songs are on
the show, and it's just it's this is one of
(58:59):
the biggest moments of my career so far, and I'm
just so appreciative of all of the opportunities and the
belief in me, and I promise y'all won't I won't
let you down.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Landy, thank you so much for joining us. Today. Thank
you for sharing light with us. I'm certainly walking away
from this conversation inspired and excited, so I'll be down
there in the front row screen.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Thank y'all. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
So much, amazing, love your amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
What an incredible honor to be joined by Landy Wilson today.
Just like season five of Yellowstone, the Official Yellowstone Podcast
just goes up from here. It's just getting bigger from here.
Jen and I we're finally clicking after five years of
real enmity between us, real just contentious.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
It's nice to finally become friends.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I feel like just this forced proximity is making
us finally get along.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
We just want to thank everyone for tuning in to
another episode of the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We've got more
episodes coming to you weekly. We have more exciting guests,
so hang in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
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