September 27, 2024 • 35 mins
Let's talk about what's been going on with my mental health recently and what's changed. This is a rather vulnerable episode so please check in with yourself before listening.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
the podcast where we talk through some of the big
life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they
mean for our psychology.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All Right, hi, everybody, Hello, I'm not gonna do my
cheery little intro today. I assume that you already know
what we're talking about, given that you clicked on this episode,
and you probably also have guessed or assumed that this
episode is going to be a little bit different, a
little bit more vulnerable open. Dare I say chatty? Maybe
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not chatty, just honest. And you know, I felt really
strange making this episode compared to my usual content. You know,
you come here to learn about the psychology of your
twenties and the psychology of flirting and breakups and career
anxiety and transitions. We're not going to be really doing
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that today. We're not going to be really having that.
We're not going to be having that usual structure and
scientific approach. I want to just take a moment to
really get you guys up to speed on what I've
been going through, you know, for a long time this
I've been doing this podcast for a very long time,
and along that journey I've been, I would hope transparent
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around what is going on in my own personal life.
Sometimes I've tried to, you know, create more of a
distance or a space between my personal life and what
I talk about on the show, but it's very hard
for it not to kind of infiltrate and come to
the surface because the topics and the ideas and the
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opinions that I express are or derived from personal experience.
And because of that, it felt strange just moving on
with regularly scheduled programming and not talking about something pretty
serious and hard that I've been through recently, which is
that I basically had a mental breakdown. There it is,
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said it out loud. I had a really really rough
time this past month that has completely really shaken me
to my core and has kind of made me reconsider
my place in the world, made me reconsider mental health
in a complete new new light, spiritual health in a
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new light, you know, this decade in a new light.
And I really want to kind of share what that
was like, what that experience was like going through it
for those of you who might be going through something similar.
And like I said, I really debated talking about this.
It is so just inherently vulnerable. But you know, I've
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spoken about breakups, I've spoken about grief, I've spoken about
you know, losing family members, I've spoken about my physical health.
And why does you know the ball have to stop there?
Why do we then tend to shy away when it
comes to talking about our mental health with the same
openness and authenticity and honesty that we would discuss all
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these other topics and all these other experiences of this decade.
This is my reality at the moment. It's something that
I'm going through, and as sad as it is, unfortunate
as it is, I also know that there are many
of you who are probably going through this as well,
and you feel so completely entirely alone, and so whilst
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like this podcast is obviously about providing science and evidence
in this self help space and giving you like factual
wellness content, it's also about community and it's also about
being able to see your experiences reflected back in thousands,
if not millions of others. You know, whatever you're struggling with,
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I think there is a huge comfort that comes from
knowing that you are not alone in that experience, that
there is someone somewhere elsewhere who is navigating the same
challenges as you are. The big problem I find all
the big hurdle I find with talking about, you know,
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mental health very explicitly and you know, not just saying yeah,
I have mental health struggles, but being like, no, I've
had a full you know, mental breakdown, prolonged depressive episode,
massive anxiety, is that you do still recognize the stigma
that is attached even in this space, even though I've
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made and you know, this is my career. I talk
about psychology. Talking about psychology and talking about the very real,
lived experience of mental health is quite different and is
opening yourself up to a lot of misunderstanding. And that's
something that I've kind of accepted in talking about this today,
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is that you know, people could listen to this and
just be like, I like, what is she talking about?
Or maybe people will listen to this and be like, well,
I'm you know, I'm not going to listen to such
an untrustworthy narrator from now on, you know, because she's
not talking about mental health in like, you know, in
like a guy a guarded way. She's talking about it
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very openly and with great realness, and that can be
really confronting. For some people, So I would just ask
for grace. This episode is not structured. It's going to
be a bit of a ramble, and I've kind of
accepted that some people might be shocked to hear this,
some people might be confronted. So just checking on yourself
as to where you are, and if you think this
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will be helpful, please listen on. If you just want,
like to know what it's like I guess, or to
see or to be able to provide help with for
someone else who you know who might be going through
the same experience. That is really my ultimate goal here
is to provide a lived experience for you to reflect
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on in your own life when you confront scary topics
such as and scary ideas such as the ones that
I've been working through. If you have been listening for
a while, you'll know that every now and again I
give like a mental health update, because this is like
a mental health podcast. And a few months ago I
even gave like an update where I was like, I
am doing so well, I'm thriving, I'm living my best life.
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I'm like going off my antidepressants, like everything is good,
We're making forward progress. And then things changed as they
very often do with our brains and our minds and
our perception and our and our health health. You think
you're doing real, very well, but one of the realities
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of living with a mental health condition is that kind
of in the back of your mind you always know
that there is there is a time that will come
where it could get worse. And so even if you
are feeling amazing and fabulous and enjoying life, it's a
there's a hesitancy, there is a sense of like tiptoeing
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around that experience, like, oh, how long is this going
to last? How long am I going to feel like this?
Because you know that the other shoe might eventually drop.
You know, you might get bad again, and you hope not,
but that is the case, and that is what happened
with me. I went from being super super happy and
then there was just this slow descent and always in hindsight,
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can you see the path that you've taken? Right in
the moment, you just want to survive and push forward.
You're hoping that it's like hormonal or contextual, or it's
just because you're really stressed, and then the stress fades,
and then you know, the days go on and it's like, Oh,
I just can't get these thoughts out of my head.
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My biggest fixation and the thing that really culminated me
really kind of just not being able to cope for
a while there had to do with thoughts and anxieties
around death. I have very intense death anxiety. Feels weird
to say that out loud. I'm sure some of you
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may have realized that or guessed it, but it's not
something I talk about that much because, to be honest,
talking about it, it like puts it like you squarely
have to face it and it's right there, and it's
like incredibly terrible, inevitable fear. It's I think the most
profound fear to fear death because everything else in life,
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you know, you can kind of avoid, or you can
change your behaviors to avoid, and death is one of
those things that you just can't. And you have to
try and find a way to create a meaning in
a finite life and to have some form of comfort
or vision or value or life philosophy that lets you
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push forward. And I just kind of lost that. I
just no longer could access my purpose and my meaning
and my life philosophy around why are we here, What
are we doing here? Life is just this big, inconvenient,
meaningless thing. And it almost felt like the universe was
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like collapsing in on me, like I'd be lying in bed,
and it was just like the absolute terror of knowing
that this thing that you're terrified of is going to
happen to you, and then the equal terror of knowing
that there's nothing you can do about it, and no
matter what you think about it, like don't change what's
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going to happen. And yeah, so gosh, dark, very very dark.
And I think it's something that we all have at
the back of our minds, right, everyone knows this. There
are just times in your life where you feel more
It's kind of like, how do I explain it. It's
like there's this weird, fuzzy film, like a fuzzy transparent
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curtain between you and thinking about death. And most of
the time, you know, we've got our back turn to
the curtain and we're enjoying everything that's in life, and
then other times you turn around and you peek behind
the curtain and it's just so just incomprehensible that it
really starts to get you down. And then for me,
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things come up around time and meaning and love and
connection and fear of seeing people I love pass away.
And you can see how the ball gets rolling real
real quick, really really quickly. I think the only time
I haven't had these fears has been when I was
someone who was quite spiritual and religious, you know, and
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suddenly not suddenly, and I just am not anymore. It's
just part of the life journey and the transition that
I've gone through where I just no longer saw myself
in the home of religion. I see its value, I
see the value of spirituality, but it's just the current
structures that are presented to me, like I just don't
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really relate to them. I'm kind of a woman of science.
This is sometimes I don't really feel like it makes sense.
And I think that that detachment from a spiritual understanding
of my life really has contributed to these cycles of
really existential, negative, incomprehensible thoughts. The point where I really
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started to realize like, oh no, like this is not
going the way it shouldn't. And I've gone through this before,
and it's like you can really there's like a it's
like a it's like a flight path, right, Like there's
like a journey and you can like see the roadblocks
and you like kind of know what's coming, and you
know that like once you get to a certain stage,
it's like, you know shit, like there's no turning back.
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And when I realized that was when I was in Bali.
Before I went to Bali, I was so busy. I
had so much going on that it really meant that
I couldn't really think about anything bigger or more profound
than the present and what was happening right now. And
then I went on vacation. I went on holiday. Interestingly,
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I was really excited. Course not interestingly, obviously, I was
very excited. I was very excited to just like spend
time with my mom and my cousin and my auntie
and relaxed by the pool and drink peanut coladas and
go on hikes and see the sites and go to
the markets. And actually what ended up happening was all
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the things that were keeping me anchored to the present,
And by that, I mean my stress was lifted. And
suddenly all the thoughts that I'd been trying very hard
to push down and suppress came flooding in, and I
did not have the tools to deal with it. I
spent BALI was amazing, but I spent a lot of
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time in my own head, in my brain overworking and
overthinking concepts, ideas, big ideas about the universe and the
world and purpose in life and God and religion. Not
a fun place to be. I think those thoughts have
their time and place, but they should really be explored
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when you feel mentally prepared for them. My problem was
that I hadn't provided myself with the space or the
mental capacity to think about it, to think about it
when I needed to think about it at a time
when I was more able to deal with how confronting
it could be. And so I always say this, you
can avoid, and you can avoid, and you can avoid,
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but it will come up at the most inconvenient time.
And that is what happened. Then I went to New York.
I remember walking around the streets of New York and
just being like, I really wish I could be having
fun right now, but everything feels so impermanent, and everything
just feels so tragic and terrifying, and it's kind of
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like you cannot see the world except for from this
place of finality, in this place of I don't know
that everything will eventually be gone, and that imbues all
of your experiences. Everything that you perceive is imbued with
this tinge of like sadness, even for sadness, for the
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fact that one day this will be gone, you know,
even though right now now it isn't. It's very, very
like mentally complicated. I think it really comes from like
a detachment with the present. I made an episode a
couple of weeks back, maybe like a month now, that
was like the power of staying present. Really, that was
me trying to remind myself of that power and trying
to reinforce my own habits when it came to this.
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But by the time I got back to Australia, like
things were not going well, things were not working out
for me, and I entered this pretty dark place where
I could not really make sense of reality. Not in
the sense that I was like experiencing psychosis or anything,
but it just was like everything was very clouded. Everything
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was overruled by constant, repetitive thinking in a thought spiral.
It began to really make me want to withdraw. I
think my biggest fear when I'm going through a bit
of an existential mental breakdown. Whatever you want to call
it is passing it on to someone else. I know
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this sounds very, very strange, but sometimes I believe, you know,
that my thoughts could be contagious, and that you're going
to say something to someone that they've never considered before
and it's going to really scare them. And that is
what really scares me, is that I could plunge someone
else into this situation, in this dark, downward thought spiral.
So I stayed silent about it for a while, very
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silent at my own detriment. Then I started telling my boyfriend,
but it was kind of with a laugh and a
giggle and you know, like, oh, my crazy brain. Anyhow,
I don't want to talk about it. Let's move on.
It always fascinates me that I know what to do right.
I have the tools, the strategies. I know how to
work through a situation like this, and one of the
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main pillars, and one of the best things you can
do for yourself is to open up and is to
share the burden. It's a lot easier said than done.
You don't feel like you have the right almost you don't.
You don't want to let people in because that would
require you acknowledging that your situation is bad. That is
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how I'll say it, because that is how it was.
And then it was like almost a flip switched. We
went out one night, went out drinking with like my
best friends. It's like, I should be the happiest I've
ever been in the world, ever been at any time,
Like I have the most beautiful friends, I'm in this
beautiful city. And I woke up the next day in
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a panic, and my whole body was shaking, and I
was stuck. I was stuck in my mind and I
was stuck in this thought and it's almost like walking
through a day and it's just like death, death, death, death,
pretty freaking hard. And that's when I realized that I
really needed some help. Luckily, my mom was in town,
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so she ended up canceling like all of her work
engagements for the rest of the week and stay with me.
And my boyfriend stayed with me, well, we basically lived together,
but he would come back from work every single night
and just hold me because I didn't want to leave
my room. I didn't want to leave my house. Everything
was just confusing and overwhelming and loud. Loud is probably
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the best way I can describe it, and lonely and isolating.
You just feel like you are floating in space and
no one else can understand your experience, and you're just
absolutely terrified and you don't know how you're going to
get back to like the mothership of reality and the
mothership of rationality as well. So my mom came and
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stayed with me for a week and then passed the
baton over to my dad, who came and stayed with
me for another week. And that two week period involved
me not being able to eat, not being able to sleep,
and then when I did sleep, waking up in a
sweat and shaking, just not wanting to leave the house,
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genuinely just being in a catatonic state, like I would
just sit in bed and stare at the wall, trying
really hard to do work, trying really hard to go
to the gym and to go to my pottery classes
and to see friends, and it was not possible. It
was not happening for me at that time. The other
thing was mental health access in Australia, and I'm going
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to assume this is everywhere is absolutely abysmal. It's literally abysmal.
I called a crisis line, which I'll openly admit I
think crisis lines are amazing. Lifeline if you're in Australia.
I'm sure there are other crisis lines in the US
and the UK and elsewhere. Lifelines are incredible. But this
experience was not incredible because I called this woman and
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I was like, I need to see a psychiatrist. I
need to see an emergency psychologist. I need help with something, please,
Like what do I do? Even though it was like
I knew what to do and I even I could
not get the help I needed. Like I was trying
to find a psychologist. I was trying to find a psychiatrist.
It was like six months wait period. It's like I
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don't I can't wait six months, Like I'm suffering right now.
I like, that's unreasonable. It's just unreasonable. But I also
understand the pressures on the system. You course psychologists to
be like oh I don't want to take your case. Sorry,
I don't have a space. I don't have a space.
There was one center that I called and I'm not
going to name them, but oh my god, well they
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just absolutely terrible. They were absolutely terrible. And I called
them and I was like, this is what's happening. And
they were like hmm, sorry, we can't help you. And
I was like, can you refer me to someone else?
They're like no, And then later on my mom called
them back up and suddenly they had an appointment for her,
but not an appointment for me, because you know, I
understand it, like respect your boundaries, respect your peace. But
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it was one of those things where it's like, am
I untreatable? Is that what you are implying and not
accepting my case? Because you are a private clinic, you
get the system. But yeah, I called this helpline and
I'm asking for help. I'm like, this is what I need.
And she genuinely said to me, oh, you know, are
you on drugs? I was like no, it's an important
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question to ask. I was like, no, I'm not on
any drugs. Are you having like withdrawals from alcohol? No?
And then you could see that she was like a
bit puzzled, and she was like, have you watched any
scary movies lately? I could not believe that she asked
me that question. I was like, no, I haven't watched
any scary movies. I'm mentally unwell, Like I know what's
wrong with me, and it's not because I've watched Green
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fort Like. It was just this very eye opening experience
and a reacknowledgment of how terrible and poor our systems
actually are. How and if you know, I'm someone who
is I don't want to say an expert, but I
talk about psychology for a living. I also used to
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work in Australia's mental health system. I helped design some
of these systems, helped like design especially for children. And
I cannot navigate this system. Who in the world is
meant to be able to do that? Who is meant
to find the help that they need? And eventually she
was like, oh, you can go to the emergency room,
and the emergency room is the worst place to be
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if you are someone having a crisis around death anxiety.
Literally terrible suggestion from her, but I appreciate she was
probably very overworked and they're doing the best they can.
They talk to hundreds dozens of people a day who
have very unique experiences, so full respect to her, just
wasn't the help that I needed, And it felt like
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a stalemate. It felt like an absolute stalemate. I could
go on and explain more of what that experience was like,
but it was just genuinely so devoid of anything exciting.
There's nothing to report, Like, it's sitting in bed crying
every thirty minutes, staring at the ceiling, not talking to
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any of your friends, not really wanting to eat, not
being able to sleep, just complete physical and mental exhaustion
is the only way I can explain it. The person
who helped me so so much, who got me through this,
was well three people was my parents and my partner.
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I cannot imagine how stressful it would have been just
having to watch someone not want to do anything, not
want to move, not be able to get the help
that they needed, just be so terribly overwhelmed for like
this extended period of time. But they were the ones
who were like, Nope, we're gonna set small goals. We're
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just gonna leave the house today. We're gonna go through
a walk, We're gonna go to the animal shelter and
play with some dogs. My mum was even like, maybe
I should get you a dog, and I was like,
part of me like it was so funny. I was
kind of coming out of it by that stage, and
I was like, hmm, I probably I know that that
is probably not a great decision. It's like don't go
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food shopping when you're hungry, don't have a baby when
your relationship is falling apart, don't get a dog when
you're having a mental health crisis. That is the three
cardinal rules. And they were the ones who really got
me through it. They were the ones who took phone
call after phone call, who found anyone someone who could
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see me as soon as possible, which was still into
like was still two to three weeks away, but that
was the closest that we could get. They went and
you know, filled my medication scripts for me, filled the
fridge with food cooked for me, made sure that whatever
I kind of needed I had. And then my friends, my,
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oh my gosh, my friends. It'd be so interesting and
funny that I would be just sitting out in my
backyard crying about how meaningless this world felt, and yet
people would show up and show that they loved me,
And isn't that the most meaningful thing ever? My friend
Meg dropped flowers at my door. My friend Sarah took
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me on like was like, oh, I'll come and do
anything for you, like I should try. She called me
like basically every single day. My friend Kate like checked
in on me, sent me reels like my friend's staff,
Like all of them were just so there for me
and made sure that they that I knew that I
was in their thoughts and that I could talk to them,
that I could reach them. But they also respected the
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fact that I kind of needed to hermit. To be fair,
I didn't need to, but that was my that was
my inclination, that was my instinct, was to hide away.
They respected that and they continue to reach out. I
think it's a big problem when someone is really going
through it with their mental health. Like if you are
their friend and you know it, but you expect them
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to have to reach out for you, It's like, well,
that's not gonna happen. That's just there. That is like
least the last thing that they're thinking about. It's like asking,
like a friend with like a you know, a fractured
spine to like come and go for a walk with you.
It's like, that's not what they're thinking about. That's not
something that they're capable of checking in with you. Maintaining
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friendships is incredibly difficult, and it's not that there isn't
a desire and a need and a longing, but when
everything in your life is just completely devoid of meaning
and love and a sense of joy, and you just
feel completely broken. Like those friendships as much as you
do care about them, Like you don't think about the
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consequence of not talking to someone for a month. You
don't think about what that's going to do to your relationship.
You're just trying to get through it. So it's a
good reminder, and it was a reminder for me, like,
if you have a friend going through a rough time,
just reach out. It's not embarrassing, it's not awkward. You know,
they just might not reply to you, but at least
they have that message. And there's no one who I've
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ever spoken to who's been like, oh, I wish that
someone hadn't reached out. I wish that I had less support.
I wish that I'd known less people loved me, Like,
it's not how it works. So that was like a
really valuable, valuable lesson. Another valuable lesson was for me,
medication is really really important. And I do think that
a lot of my problem is problem condition is derived
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from something biological, and I know that there are a
lot of different suggestions to do with this and to
do with the efficacy and the success of SSRIs or antidepressants.
Just do what works for you. There is a lot
of research, and there is a lot of new research
that says that other things are also really useful, and
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more cognitive mental therapies or talk therapies are useful. For me,
that is not the case. I look at my life
and everything is actually quite spectacular, and I'm very, very
lucky have what I have for me. You can almost
notice like a biological shift because nothing else in your
life really changes, and then suddenly you're just in this
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pit and you don't know how to get out. So
the medication was really really useful, and it was like
it was so strange, but I was almost like setting
myself many daily goals, like but this time it wasn't
for like moving ahead in my career, and it wasn't
for fitness. It was like, just leave the house, just
do one essential task today, just call one person, and
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slowly and surely you start to climb the ladder out
of the hole. And then you fall back a little bit.
It's never going to be linear, but you ride the
good times, you ride out the wave of the good times.
That's the difference between normal life and I think going
through this is or going through anything that's very difficult
and very very hard. Is that in normal life you
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kind of just don't really notice when things are just
even it's slightly bit better than they usually are, kind
of just take it for granted. But when things are
going not that well, every small thing that makes you smile,
every moment where you just have a bit of peace
and silence in your brain, Oh my gosh, that's all
I ask for. That is a blessing, and that is
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something that you feel incredibly immensely grateful for. So I
really rode those happy waves, even if it was for
three minutes, if it was for an hour, I was
fully present in that moment. And then you know, I
did finally get to see someone. It was still a
long wait, and sometimes I think I'm like, no, they're
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not going to be able to help me, Like I
already know everything I need to know. Not true. And
it's not just about knowledge and information. It's about a
different perspective and it's about having someone neutral who can
really help you out. So I'm feeling a bit better now.
I'm slowly coming out of it. I'm still having hard days.
I was at my pottery class last night, and these
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dark thoughts came back, and I got a bit of
an adrenaline jolt and a shock and felt the need
to like run away and herm it again. But I
pushed through. That's really all you can do at this point.
It's when you get to that point of being at
such a low, low stage and just rock bottom mentally
and psychologically, and I'm sure I'll probably be there again.
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You just you take everything that you can and every
moment and every skill and every resource that you can muster,
and you take that and you put it towards just
feeling even one percent better each day. And that's really
really tough and it requires strength. But like that example
from last night, like you just in some ways have
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to ride the wave of the good and the bad
and just let the thoughts come and let them move on.
So I'm still not one hundred percent back to normal.
I don't know, it might take a little while, but
things are looking up. And I wanted to be open
and honest with you that this is the reality of
living with mental health. It's probably or maybe your reality
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as well, and we don't talk about it, and we
don't acknowledge it, and we don't see stories of it
in the media unless it's someone you know depicted as
going quote unquote crazy, unless it's someone depicted as being violent,
it's not. It's just such a simplistic view of mental health.
It also looks like me, someone who knows the system,
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someone who talks about this all the time, still being
confronted with incredibly hard thoughts to manage, and not really
knowing how to get out of it, not knowing a
path forward. You are not alone. You are not alone
in that experience. I absolutely promise you. Please reach out
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to anybody and everybody, reach out to those who love you,
reach out mental health services. And also if you are
someone who struggles routinely with their mental health, the best
time to get care and to get health care and
to get a therapist or a psychiatrist is actually when
you're feeling well, because you cannot predict when these waves
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will crash over you. You cannot predict the cycles. You cannot
predict when you might slip and fall back into this
kind of dark space. So this is your reminder. Even
if you're listening to this right now and you're like,
I'm actually doing really, really fine, I'm not triggered at all,
but I know I have been in the past, and
I have been before. Then get help when you are healthy.
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It will prepare you for times like the one I
was in where it's an emergency and you don't have
the systems in place. I know it's easier said than done,
and sometimes that's not even available to us. But if
you can, it is insurance. You cannot afford to not
look after your mental health. Well, that's something that my
mum said to me. She's like, you are someone who
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cannot afford to do this. This is like having a
chronic illness. You wouldn't let your diabetes get to this point.
You wouldn't let your You know, if you were diagnosed
with cancer, you wouldn't skip your follow up appointments and
to see if the cancer come back, if you're in
remission or like, you wouldn't do that. So don't deal
it with your mental health either. It's just as valuable.
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I want to thank you for I'm going to thank
you in advance for your kindness and for your respect.
I know that it's a private situation, but I hope
by making it a bit more public, people feel seen,
people feel heard, people know how to support their loved
ones and you don't feel alone, because that would have
been very, very useful for me during that time. If
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you have any further questions or yeah, I would love
to hear from you at that psychology podcast you know
on Monday, we would be back to regularly scheduled programming.
We're going to talk about right person, wrong time, so
we'll be moving on. We're moving back to what we
normally talk about. Thank you for giving me this space
to just talk at you for half an hour about
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my mental health. It's actually been quite therapeutic, so I
appreciate the mental load that you took on of listening.
Make sure that you are following along to hear more episodes.
And if you enjoyed this episode, maybe you didn't, maybe
it was quite dark, I apologize, but if you enjoy
the podcast in general, please leave a five star review.
I'm going to leave some links to some services in
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the description. If you need them, please don't hesitate to
use them. That's what they're there for. Even if you
think that what you're going through isn't that serious, I
don't think that's for you to decide. I think that objectively,
if you're struggling. You are struggling, so those services are
there for you. Please use them. Please, please reach out
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for help. Be kind to yourself, be gentle with yourself.
It's all of our first times alive, and we will
talk soon. Mm hmm
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
the podcast where we talk through some of the big
life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they
mean for our psychology.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All Right, hi, everybody, Hello, I'm not gonna do my
cheery little intro today. I assume that you already know
what we're talking about, given that you clicked on this episode,
and you probably also have guessed or assumed that this
episode is going to be a little bit different, a
little bit more vulnerable open. Dare I say chatty? Maybe
(00:47):
not chatty, just honest. And you know, I felt really
strange making this episode compared to my usual content. You know,
you come here to learn about the psychology of your
twenties and the psychology of flirting and breakups and career
anxiety and transitions. We're not going to be really doing
(01:12):
that today. We're not going to be really having that.
We're not going to be having that usual structure and
scientific approach. I want to just take a moment to
really get you guys up to speed on what I've
been going through, you know, for a long time this
I've been doing this podcast for a very long time,
and along that journey I've been, I would hope transparent
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around what is going on in my own personal life.
Sometimes I've tried to, you know, create more of a
distance or a space between my personal life and what
I talk about on the show, but it's very hard
for it not to kind of infiltrate and come to
the surface because the topics and the ideas and the
(01:54):
opinions that I express are or derived from personal experience.
And because of that, it felt strange just moving on
with regularly scheduled programming and not talking about something pretty
serious and hard that I've been through recently, which is
that I basically had a mental breakdown. There it is,
(02:17):
said it out loud. I had a really really rough
time this past month that has completely really shaken me
to my core and has kind of made me reconsider
my place in the world, made me reconsider mental health
in a complete new new light, spiritual health in a
(02:37):
new light, you know, this decade in a new light.
And I really want to kind of share what that
was like, what that experience was like going through it
for those of you who might be going through something similar.
And like I said, I really debated talking about this.
It is so just inherently vulnerable. But you know, I've
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spoken about breakups, I've spoken about grief, I've spoken about
you know, losing family members, I've spoken about my physical health.
And why does you know the ball have to stop there?
Why do we then tend to shy away when it
comes to talking about our mental health with the same
openness and authenticity and honesty that we would discuss all
(03:25):
these other topics and all these other experiences of this decade.
This is my reality at the moment. It's something that
I'm going through, and as sad as it is, unfortunate
as it is, I also know that there are many
of you who are probably going through this as well,
and you feel so completely entirely alone, and so whilst
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like this podcast is obviously about providing science and evidence
in this self help space and giving you like factual
wellness content, it's also about community and it's also about
being able to see your experiences reflected back in thousands,
if not millions of others. You know, whatever you're struggling with,
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I think there is a huge comfort that comes from
knowing that you are not alone in that experience, that
there is someone somewhere elsewhere who is navigating the same
challenges as you are. The big problem I find all
the big hurdle I find with talking about, you know,
(04:32):
mental health very explicitly and you know, not just saying yeah,
I have mental health struggles, but being like, no, I've
had a full you know, mental breakdown, prolonged depressive episode,
massive anxiety, is that you do still recognize the stigma
that is attached even in this space, even though I've
(04:54):
made and you know, this is my career. I talk
about psychology. Talking about psychology and talking about the very real,
lived experience of mental health is quite different and is
opening yourself up to a lot of misunderstanding. And that's
something that I've kind of accepted in talking about this today,
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is that you know, people could listen to this and
just be like, I like, what is she talking about?
Or maybe people will listen to this and be like, well,
I'm you know, I'm not going to listen to such
an untrustworthy narrator from now on, you know, because she's
not talking about mental health in like, you know, in
like a guy a guarded way. She's talking about it
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very openly and with great realness, and that can be
really confronting. For some people, So I would just ask
for grace. This episode is not structured. It's going to
be a bit of a ramble, and I've kind of
accepted that some people might be shocked to hear this,
some people might be confronted. So just checking on yourself
as to where you are, and if you think this
(05:59):
will be helpful, please listen on. If you just want,
like to know what it's like I guess, or to
see or to be able to provide help with for
someone else who you know who might be going through
the same experience. That is really my ultimate goal here
is to provide a lived experience for you to reflect
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on in your own life when you confront scary topics
such as and scary ideas such as the ones that
I've been working through. If you have been listening for
a while, you'll know that every now and again I
give like a mental health update, because this is like
a mental health podcast. And a few months ago I
even gave like an update where I was like, I
am doing so well, I'm thriving, I'm living my best life.
(06:44):
I'm like going off my antidepressants, like everything is good,
We're making forward progress. And then things changed as they
very often do with our brains and our minds and
our perception and our and our health health. You think
you're doing real, very well, but one of the realities
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of living with a mental health condition is that kind
of in the back of your mind you always know
that there is there is a time that will come
where it could get worse. And so even if you
are feeling amazing and fabulous and enjoying life, it's a
there's a hesitancy, there is a sense of like tiptoeing
(07:29):
around that experience, like, oh, how long is this going
to last? How long am I going to feel like this?
Because you know that the other shoe might eventually drop.
You know, you might get bad again, and you hope not,
but that is the case, and that is what happened
with me. I went from being super super happy and
then there was just this slow descent and always in hindsight,
(07:50):
can you see the path that you've taken? Right in
the moment, you just want to survive and push forward.
You're hoping that it's like hormonal or contextual, or it's
just because you're really stressed, and then the stress fades,
and then you know, the days go on and it's like, Oh,
I just can't get these thoughts out of my head.
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My biggest fixation and the thing that really culminated me
really kind of just not being able to cope for
a while there had to do with thoughts and anxieties
around death. I have very intense death anxiety. Feels weird
to say that out loud. I'm sure some of you
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may have realized that or guessed it, but it's not
something I talk about that much because, to be honest,
talking about it, it like puts it like you squarely
have to face it and it's right there, and it's
like incredibly terrible, inevitable fear. It's I think the most
profound fear to fear death because everything else in life,
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you know, you can kind of avoid, or you can
change your behaviors to avoid, and death is one of
those things that you just can't. And you have to
try and find a way to create a meaning in
a finite life and to have some form of comfort
or vision or value or life philosophy that lets you
(09:17):
push forward. And I just kind of lost that. I
just no longer could access my purpose and my meaning
and my life philosophy around why are we here, What
are we doing here? Life is just this big, inconvenient,
meaningless thing. And it almost felt like the universe was
(09:40):
like collapsing in on me, like I'd be lying in bed,
and it was just like the absolute terror of knowing
that this thing that you're terrified of is going to
happen to you, and then the equal terror of knowing
that there's nothing you can do about it, and no
matter what you think about it, like don't change what's
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going to happen. And yeah, so gosh, dark, very very dark.
And I think it's something that we all have at
the back of our minds, right, everyone knows this. There
are just times in your life where you feel more
It's kind of like, how do I explain it. It's
like there's this weird, fuzzy film, like a fuzzy transparent
(10:26):
curtain between you and thinking about death. And most of
the time, you know, we've got our back turn to
the curtain and we're enjoying everything that's in life, and
then other times you turn around and you peek behind
the curtain and it's just so just incomprehensible that it
really starts to get you down. And then for me,
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things come up around time and meaning and love and
connection and fear of seeing people I love pass away.
And you can see how the ball gets rolling real
real quick, really really quickly. I think the only time
I haven't had these fears has been when I was
someone who was quite spiritual and religious, you know, and
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suddenly not suddenly, and I just am not anymore. It's
just part of the life journey and the transition that
I've gone through where I just no longer saw myself
in the home of religion. I see its value, I
see the value of spirituality, but it's just the current
structures that are presented to me, like I just don't
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really relate to them. I'm kind of a woman of science.
This is sometimes I don't really feel like it makes sense.
And I think that that detachment from a spiritual understanding
of my life really has contributed to these cycles of
really existential, negative, incomprehensible thoughts. The point where I really
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started to realize like, oh no, like this is not
going the way it shouldn't. And I've gone through this before,
and it's like you can really there's like a it's
like a it's like a flight path, right, Like there's
like a journey and you can like see the roadblocks
and you like kind of know what's coming, and you
know that like once you get to a certain stage,
it's like, you know shit, like there's no turning back.
(12:21):
And when I realized that was when I was in Bali.
Before I went to Bali, I was so busy. I
had so much going on that it really meant that
I couldn't really think about anything bigger or more profound
than the present and what was happening right now. And
then I went on vacation. I went on holiday. Interestingly,
(12:45):
I was really excited. Course not interestingly, obviously, I was
very excited. I was very excited to just like spend
time with my mom and my cousin and my auntie
and relaxed by the pool and drink peanut coladas and
go on hikes and see the sites and go to
the markets. And actually what ended up happening was all
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the things that were keeping me anchored to the present,
And by that, I mean my stress was lifted. And
suddenly all the thoughts that I'd been trying very hard
to push down and suppress came flooding in, and I
did not have the tools to deal with it. I
spent BALI was amazing, but I spent a lot of
(13:31):
time in my own head, in my brain overworking and
overthinking concepts, ideas, big ideas about the universe and the
world and purpose in life and God and religion. Not
a fun place to be. I think those thoughts have
their time and place, but they should really be explored
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when you feel mentally prepared for them. My problem was
that I hadn't provided myself with the space or the
mental capacity to think about it, to think about it
when I needed to think about it at a time
when I was more able to deal with how confronting
it could be. And so I always say this, you
can avoid, and you can avoid, and you can avoid,
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but it will come up at the most inconvenient time.
And that is what happened. Then I went to New York.
I remember walking around the streets of New York and
just being like, I really wish I could be having
fun right now, but everything feels so impermanent, and everything
just feels so tragic and terrifying, and it's kind of
(14:34):
like you cannot see the world except for from this
place of finality, in this place of I don't know
that everything will eventually be gone, and that imbues all
of your experiences. Everything that you perceive is imbued with
this tinge of like sadness, even for sadness, for the
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fact that one day this will be gone, you know,
even though right now now it isn't. It's very, very
like mentally complicated. I think it really comes from like
a detachment with the present. I made an episode a
couple of weeks back, maybe like a month now, that
was like the power of staying present. Really, that was
me trying to remind myself of that power and trying
to reinforce my own habits when it came to this.
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But by the time I got back to Australia, like
things were not going well, things were not working out
for me, and I entered this pretty dark place where
I could not really make sense of reality. Not in
the sense that I was like experiencing psychosis or anything,
but it just was like everything was very clouded. Everything
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was overruled by constant, repetitive thinking in a thought spiral.
It began to really make me want to withdraw. I
think my biggest fear when I'm going through a bit
of an existential mental breakdown. Whatever you want to call
it is passing it on to someone else. I know
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this sounds very, very strange, but sometimes I believe, you know,
that my thoughts could be contagious, and that you're going
to say something to someone that they've never considered before
and it's going to really scare them. And that is
what really scares me, is that I could plunge someone
else into this situation, in this dark, downward thought spiral.
So I stayed silent about it for a while, very
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silent at my own detriment. Then I started telling my boyfriend,
but it was kind of with a laugh and a
giggle and you know, like, oh, my crazy brain. Anyhow,
I don't want to talk about it. Let's move on.
It always fascinates me that I know what to do right.
I have the tools, the strategies. I know how to
work through a situation like this, and one of the
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main pillars, and one of the best things you can
do for yourself is to open up and is to
share the burden. It's a lot easier said than done.
You don't feel like you have the right almost you don't.
You don't want to let people in because that would
require you acknowledging that your situation is bad. That is
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how I'll say it, because that is how it was.
And then it was like almost a flip switched. We
went out one night, went out drinking with like my
best friends. It's like, I should be the happiest I've
ever been in the world, ever been at any time,
Like I have the most beautiful friends, I'm in this
beautiful city. And I woke up the next day in
(17:32):
a panic, and my whole body was shaking, and I
was stuck. I was stuck in my mind and I
was stuck in this thought and it's almost like walking
through a day and it's just like death, death, death, death,
pretty freaking hard. And that's when I realized that I
really needed some help. Luckily, my mom was in town,
(17:55):
so she ended up canceling like all of her work
engagements for the rest of the week and stay with me.
And my boyfriend stayed with me, well, we basically lived together,
but he would come back from work every single night
and just hold me because I didn't want to leave
my room. I didn't want to leave my house. Everything
was just confusing and overwhelming and loud. Loud is probably
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the best way I can describe it, and lonely and isolating.
You just feel like you are floating in space and
no one else can understand your experience, and you're just
absolutely terrified and you don't know how you're going to
get back to like the mothership of reality and the
mothership of rationality as well. So my mom came and
(18:42):
stayed with me for a week and then passed the
baton over to my dad, who came and stayed with
me for another week. And that two week period involved
me not being able to eat, not being able to sleep,
and then when I did sleep, waking up in a
sweat and shaking, just not wanting to leave the house,
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genuinely just being in a catatonic state, like I would
just sit in bed and stare at the wall, trying
really hard to do work, trying really hard to go
to the gym and to go to my pottery classes
and to see friends, and it was not possible. It
was not happening for me at that time. The other
thing was mental health access in Australia, and I'm going
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to assume this is everywhere is absolutely abysmal. It's literally abysmal.
I called a crisis line, which I'll openly admit I
think crisis lines are amazing. Lifeline if you're in Australia.
I'm sure there are other crisis lines in the US
and the UK and elsewhere. Lifelines are incredible. But this
experience was not incredible because I called this woman and
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I was like, I need to see a psychiatrist. I
need to see an emergency psychologist. I need help with something, please,
Like what do I do? Even though it was like
I knew what to do and I even I could
not get the help I needed. Like I was trying
to find a psychologist. I was trying to find a psychiatrist.
It was like six months wait period. It's like I
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don't I can't wait six months, Like I'm suffering right now.
I like, that's unreasonable. It's just unreasonable. But I also
understand the pressures on the system. You course psychologists to
be like oh I don't want to take your case. Sorry,
I don't have a space. I don't have a space.
There was one center that I called and I'm not
going to name them, but oh my god, well they
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just absolutely terrible. They were absolutely terrible. And I called
them and I was like, this is what's happening. And
they were like hmm, sorry, we can't help you. And
I was like, can you refer me to someone else?
They're like no, And then later on my mom called
them back up and suddenly they had an appointment for her,
but not an appointment for me, because you know, I
understand it, like respect your boundaries, respect your peace. But
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it was one of those things where it's like, am
I untreatable? Is that what you are implying and not
accepting my case? Because you are a private clinic, you
get the system. But yeah, I called this helpline and
I'm asking for help. I'm like, this is what I need.
And she genuinely said to me, oh, you know, are
you on drugs? I was like no, it's an important
(21:13):
question to ask. I was like, no, I'm not on
any drugs. Are you having like withdrawals from alcohol? No?
And then you could see that she was like a
bit puzzled, and she was like, have you watched any
scary movies lately? I could not believe that she asked
me that question. I was like, no, I haven't watched
any scary movies. I'm mentally unwell, Like I know what's
wrong with me, and it's not because I've watched Green
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fort Like. It was just this very eye opening experience
and a reacknowledgment of how terrible and poor our systems
actually are. How and if you know, I'm someone who
is I don't want to say an expert, but I
talk about psychology for a living. I also used to
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work in Australia's mental health system. I helped design some
of these systems, helped like design especially for children. And
I cannot navigate this system. Who in the world is
meant to be able to do that? Who is meant
to find the help that they need? And eventually she
was like, oh, you can go to the emergency room,
and the emergency room is the worst place to be
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if you are someone having a crisis around death anxiety.
Literally terrible suggestion from her, but I appreciate she was
probably very overworked and they're doing the best they can.
They talk to hundreds dozens of people a day who
have very unique experiences, so full respect to her, just
wasn't the help that I needed, And it felt like
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a stalemate. It felt like an absolute stalemate. I could
go on and explain more of what that experience was like,
but it was just genuinely so devoid of anything exciting.
There's nothing to report, Like, it's sitting in bed crying
every thirty minutes, staring at the ceiling, not talking to
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any of your friends, not really wanting to eat, not
being able to sleep, just complete physical and mental exhaustion
is the only way I can explain it. The person
who helped me so so much, who got me through this,
was well three people was my parents and my partner.
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I cannot imagine how stressful it would have been just
having to watch someone not want to do anything, not
want to move, not be able to get the help
that they needed, just be so terribly overwhelmed for like
this extended period of time. But they were the ones
who were like, Nope, we're gonna set small goals. We're
(23:44):
just gonna leave the house today. We're gonna go through
a walk, We're gonna go to the animal shelter and
play with some dogs. My mum was even like, maybe
I should get you a dog, and I was like,
part of me like it was so funny. I was
kind of coming out of it by that stage, and
I was like, hmm, I probably I know that that
is probably not a great decision. It's like don't go
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food shopping when you're hungry, don't have a baby when
your relationship is falling apart, don't get a dog when
you're having a mental health crisis. That is the three
cardinal rules. And they were the ones who really got
me through it. They were the ones who took phone
call after phone call, who found anyone someone who could
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see me as soon as possible, which was still into
like was still two to three weeks away, but that
was the closest that we could get. They went and
you know, filled my medication scripts for me, filled the
fridge with food cooked for me, made sure that whatever
I kind of needed I had. And then my friends, my,
(24:45):
oh my gosh, my friends. It'd be so interesting and
funny that I would be just sitting out in my
backyard crying about how meaningless this world felt, and yet
people would show up and show that they loved me,
And isn't that the most meaningful thing ever? My friend
Meg dropped flowers at my door. My friend Sarah took
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me on like was like, oh, I'll come and do
anything for you, like I should try. She called me
like basically every single day. My friend Kate like checked
in on me, sent me reels like my friend's staff,
Like all of them were just so there for me
and made sure that they that I knew that I
was in their thoughts and that I could talk to them,
that I could reach them. But they also respected the
(25:32):
fact that I kind of needed to hermit. To be fair,
I didn't need to, but that was my that was
my inclination, that was my instinct, was to hide away.
They respected that and they continue to reach out. I
think it's a big problem when someone is really going
through it with their mental health. Like if you are
their friend and you know it, but you expect them
(25:54):
to have to reach out for you, It's like, well,
that's not gonna happen. That's just there. That is like
least the last thing that they're thinking about. It's like asking,
like a friend with like a you know, a fractured
spine to like come and go for a walk with you.
It's like, that's not what they're thinking about. That's not
something that they're capable of checking in with you. Maintaining
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friendships is incredibly difficult, and it's not that there isn't
a desire and a need and a longing, but when
everything in your life is just completely devoid of meaning
and love and a sense of joy, and you just
feel completely broken. Like those friendships as much as you
do care about them, Like you don't think about the
(26:39):
consequence of not talking to someone for a month. You
don't think about what that's going to do to your relationship.
You're just trying to get through it. So it's a
good reminder, and it was a reminder for me, like,
if you have a friend going through a rough time,
just reach out. It's not embarrassing, it's not awkward. You know,
they just might not reply to you, but at least
they have that message. And there's no one who I've
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ever spoken to who's been like, oh, I wish that
someone hadn't reached out. I wish that I had less support.
I wish that I'd known less people loved me, Like,
it's not how it works. So that was like a
really valuable, valuable lesson. Another valuable lesson was for me,
medication is really really important. And I do think that
a lot of my problem is problem condition is derived
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from something biological, and I know that there are a
lot of different suggestions to do with this and to
do with the efficacy and the success of SSRIs or antidepressants.
Just do what works for you. There is a lot
of research, and there is a lot of new research
that says that other things are also really useful, and
(27:47):
more cognitive mental therapies or talk therapies are useful. For me,
that is not the case. I look at my life
and everything is actually quite spectacular, and I'm very, very
lucky have what I have for me. You can almost
notice like a biological shift because nothing else in your
life really changes, and then suddenly you're just in this
(28:10):
pit and you don't know how to get out. So
the medication was really really useful, and it was like
it was so strange, but I was almost like setting
myself many daily goals, like but this time it wasn't
for like moving ahead in my career, and it wasn't
for fitness. It was like, just leave the house, just
do one essential task today, just call one person, and
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slowly and surely you start to climb the ladder out
of the hole. And then you fall back a little bit.
It's never going to be linear, but you ride the
good times, you ride out the wave of the good times.
That's the difference between normal life and I think going
through this is or going through anything that's very difficult
and very very hard. Is that in normal life you
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kind of just don't really notice when things are just
even it's slightly bit better than they usually are, kind
of just take it for granted. But when things are
going not that well, every small thing that makes you smile,
every moment where you just have a bit of peace
and silence in your brain, Oh my gosh, that's all
I ask for. That is a blessing, and that is
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something that you feel incredibly immensely grateful for. So I
really rode those happy waves, even if it was for
three minutes, if it was for an hour, I was
fully present in that moment. And then you know, I
did finally get to see someone. It was still a
long wait, and sometimes I think I'm like, no, they're
(29:43):
not going to be able to help me, Like I
already know everything I need to know. Not true. And
it's not just about knowledge and information. It's about a
different perspective and it's about having someone neutral who can
really help you out. So I'm feeling a bit better now.
I'm slowly coming out of it. I'm still having hard days.
I was at my pottery class last night, and these
(30:04):
dark thoughts came back, and I got a bit of
an adrenaline jolt and a shock and felt the need
to like run away and herm it again. But I
pushed through. That's really all you can do at this point.
It's when you get to that point of being at
such a low, low stage and just rock bottom mentally
and psychologically, and I'm sure I'll probably be there again.
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You just you take everything that you can and every
moment and every skill and every resource that you can muster,
and you take that and you put it towards just
feeling even one percent better each day. And that's really
really tough and it requires strength. But like that example
from last night, like you just in some ways have
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to ride the wave of the good and the bad
and just let the thoughts come and let them move on.
So I'm still not one hundred percent back to normal.
I don't know, it might take a little while, but
things are looking up. And I wanted to be open
and honest with you that this is the reality of
living with mental health. It's probably or maybe your reality
(31:11):
as well, and we don't talk about it, and we
don't acknowledge it, and we don't see stories of it
in the media unless it's someone you know depicted as
going quote unquote crazy, unless it's someone depicted as being violent,
it's not. It's just such a simplistic view of mental health.
It also looks like me, someone who knows the system,
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someone who talks about this all the time, still being
confronted with incredibly hard thoughts to manage, and not really
knowing how to get out of it, not knowing a
path forward. You are not alone. You are not alone
in that experience. I absolutely promise you. Please reach out
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to anybody and everybody, reach out to those who love you,
reach out mental health services. And also if you are
someone who struggles routinely with their mental health, the best
time to get care and to get health care and
to get a therapist or a psychiatrist is actually when
you're feeling well, because you cannot predict when these waves
(32:19):
will crash over you. You cannot predict the cycles. You cannot
predict when you might slip and fall back into this
kind of dark space. So this is your reminder. Even
if you're listening to this right now and you're like,
I'm actually doing really, really fine, I'm not triggered at all,
but I know I have been in the past, and
I have been before. Then get help when you are healthy.
(32:43):
It will prepare you for times like the one I
was in where it's an emergency and you don't have
the systems in place. I know it's easier said than done,
and sometimes that's not even available to us. But if
you can, it is insurance. You cannot afford to not
look after your mental health. Well, that's something that my
mum said to me. She's like, you are someone who
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cannot afford to do this. This is like having a
chronic illness. You wouldn't let your diabetes get to this point.
You wouldn't let your You know, if you were diagnosed
with cancer, you wouldn't skip your follow up appointments and
to see if the cancer come back, if you're in
remission or like, you wouldn't do that. So don't deal
it with your mental health either. It's just as valuable.
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I want to thank you for I'm going to thank
you in advance for your kindness and for your respect.
I know that it's a private situation, but I hope
by making it a bit more public, people feel seen,
people feel heard, people know how to support their loved
ones and you don't feel alone, because that would have
been very, very useful for me during that time. If
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you have any further questions or yeah, I would love
to hear from you at that psychology podcast you know
on Monday, we would be back to regularly scheduled programming.
We're going to talk about right person, wrong time, so
we'll be moving on. We're moving back to what we
normally talk about. Thank you for giving me this space
to just talk at you for half an hour about
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my mental health. It's actually been quite therapeutic, so I
appreciate the mental load that you took on of listening.
Make sure that you are following along to hear more episodes.
And if you enjoyed this episode, maybe you didn't, maybe
it was quite dark, I apologize, but if you enjoy
the podcast in general, please leave a five star review.
I'm going to leave some links to some services in
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the description. If you need them, please don't hesitate to
use them. That's what they're there for. Even if you
think that what you're going through isn't that serious, I
don't think that's for you to decide. I think that objectively,
if you're struggling. You are struggling, so those services are
there for you. Please use them. Please, please reach out
(34:53):
for help. Be kind to yourself, be gentle with yourself.
It's all of our first times alive, and we will
talk soon. Mm hmm
Host
Jemma Sbeghen
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