February 14, 2025 • 33 mins
When we first meet someone, the thing we instantly look for is a 'spark' - do a connect, are we attracted to each other, do we feel passion and fire and connection. What we often forget to look for is compatibility - does this person see me? Compatibility is the long term make or break of a relationship, regardless of how much intensity is there in the beginning. In today's episode, we break down the 5 biggest signs of emotional compatibility, including:
- Why we should be searching for stillness over excitement
- What effortless communication should feel like
- Do you need to have the same political views as your partner?
- The 4 emotional languages
- The secret power of laughter + so much more
Finally, I share a brief compatibility checklist so you can judge a new relationship or connection for yourself. Listen now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, well, welcome back to the show. Welcome back
to the podcast, new listeners, old listeners, wherever you are
in the world, it is so great to have you
here back for another episode as we, of course break
down the psychology of our twenties. Welcome to our twenty
twenty five Valentine's Day episode. Every single year I like
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to cover like a specific topic around love and dating
and relationships for this special time of the year. And
if you're listening to this after Valentine's Day, you know what,
let's just pretend it's Valentine's Day. Show yourself some self
love today, show someone that you love some love today.
Just for no reason, every day can be Valentine's Day.
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I will stop with the cliches right now so we
can get into the episode. But yes, thank you so
much for all the love you guys have shown me
over the past year. I feel like this is about
to be a crazy year with my book coming out
in April obviously, with Mantra also out in the world
new podcast, so hopefully this episode teaches you how to
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love yourself a little bit more, but also how to
have healthy relationships with others and you know, recognize compatibility
and recognize how important that is. That is my segue
into what we are talking about today, which is, yes, compatibility,
what makes people just click? What really underlies those relationships
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that just work and seem so easy and calm and safe.
And how can we make sure that we know compatibility
when we feel it, especially in kind of a modern
world that's very very much about instant gratification and about
passion and chemistry. How do we find those that love
that really lasts. I want to talk about five deep
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signs of emotional and psychological compatibility between two people that
you may not be looking for in a relationship or
even in a platonic relationship. What are the signs that
it's meant to be or unfortunately not meant to be.
The reason I really wanted to do this episode and
cover this topic is because I have in the past
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been someone who has confused chemistry and compatibility. Now, chemistry
to me is all about attraction and emotional intensity and
excitement and magnetism that pulls you together. It's definitely more
physical than emotional, and also it's quite fast, It's quite
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rapid compared to compatibility, which often simmers below the surface
and takes a little bit longer to reveal itself. It's
why you hear these stories of people who are friends
for years and then suddenly are like, wait, are you
the one for me? I think the moment that we
realize a deep compatibility with someone, it's very hard to ignore.
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I also believe that we can have both. You do
need the passion and the fire, you know, you do
need to really feel like you are obsessed with them
and that you love them. But if weeks and months
go by and down the road you realize you can't communicate,
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you don't actually understand each other, It's not as effortless
as you think. It can be a really rude awakening,
and you can feel very blindsided by the realization. And
what you realize you've missed all along is the compatibility.
You've thought that that's what the chemistry was, and it's not.
And I think in our twenties in particular, or at
any rate age really you know I'm going to take
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that back. At any age, you don't want to waste
your precious time in a relationship or even a friendship
for that matter, where no matter how hard you try,
the thing that would make you to click is just
not there. You know. Take it from me. I have
been there, done that, got the souvenirs. And although I
wouldn't take those choices back, you know, it was very
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important for my growth as a person. I do wish
that there were some things that I'd learned to recognize earlier,
so I didn't have to learn the lesson twice. Luckily
for me, I'm now with an amazing person with whom
I have both compatibility and chemistry with, and I've realized
there are some essential things that do define a good relationship,
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specifically a relationship that is secure. So consider this your
checklist whether you are dating someone new, you are unsure
about the relationship you're currently in, or you just want
some sense of your standards. I want to talk through
all the psychology, the studies, the research on what makes
two people compatible without further ado, let's get into it.
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Some people really don't agree with me when I say
that two people who aren't compatible just simply cannot be together,
Like if it's not there, it's not there. But I
really do, fully believe that there has to be some
fundamental emotional similarity between two people before they even consider dating,
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and it cannot just be a physical impulse or just
a sense of attraction, Like you know, if you're attracted
to somebody, you can tell pretty quickly if it's mutual.
But compatibility to me, although it does take more time,
is so worth it. And it's this instinct that without
even knowing that you know, this person could learn everything
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about you. This person in some ways already does see
you very very deeply. You know there is some part
of you reflected in them. A way of seeing the world,
a way of handling emotions, a respect, a likeness, like
it's a depth that you share. And I know that
sounds very very intangible. We're going to talk about exactly
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what that looks like. But I think when you don't
have that, you will never feel fulfilled by the other person,
Like they just simply don't meet your emotional needs. And
it's very very hard to ignore. Now, I will say,
and I say this like to my friends quite a lot.
Actually it's not uncommon to occasionally have doubts about your relationship.
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I really want to impress that, Like at some stage,
I think everyone will say to themselves, is this person
right for me? And I actually think that's a really
good sign. It's really important to reevaluate at certain points
in your relationship that this is working, that you actually
want to be there, that you're not just like passively
engaging in the relationship because it's the path of least
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resistance because you know you've just gotten used to them.
I really think that you can still have arguments in
healthy compatible relationships. You can still feel misunderstood. You still
will have to compromise or disagree, and it doesn't mean
that they are not right for you, but that it
cannot be the core experience of being in a relationship
with someone. It cannot be constant fights, constant misunderstandings, the
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same fights which you know give such a beautiful sense
of relief when they're done that you confuse it with love,
like it cannot be feeling cold in the relationship or
a sense of relief when you're not together. I watch
this really amazing interview on YouTube the other day of
this woman her name is Spirit, I don't like. I
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think she just goes by Spirit and she explains what
it feels like to be in an emotionally incompatible friendship
or relationship, and the way she describes it is the
circle and the square. So I want you to imagine
like a big square. You can even trot it down
like a big square, and inside is a circle, and
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the circle touches each side of the square. It feels supported,
you know, every side is touched. But there are these
gaps where the cannot touch the corners of the square
because it's obviously not a square. And those gaps between
the circles edges and the corners of the square, those
are our unmet needs. The circle in the square can
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never feel completely supported while they are with each other
because there is all this space that is miscommunication, all
this space in which doubt flows in, Like you want
to be with someone who it feels like you really
really fit. And I will leave a link to this
YouTube video because it's really really good and I feel
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like it's a very visual way of seeing it. But
I think the first time I watched it, I was like, oh,
that totally makes sense. Like all of these relationships from
my past, I've just been trying to be the circle
to the square, or like the triangle to the square.
Doesn't work. So let's talk about the five signs. Now,
I've rambled on long enough. Let's talk about what they are.
I think the first sign that you are compatible with
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someone is that you feel emotionally safe and there is
this sense of coming home to them, some part of
you can finally rest. And I think this is a
big distinction between chemistry and compatibility. The butterflies aren't is overwhelming.
They're still there, but above all else, you're feeling like
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everything is quite still. You know, there's a famous quote
that we think butterflies mean we're in love, but they
really just mean anxiety. And I tend to agree. It's
why I always ask myself the question is this excitement
or is this nausea? Because they do tend to feel
eerily similar, and sometimes you can't always tell the difference,
or when you meet the right person, you honestly might
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confuse it with boredom. And I think it's because your
body is used to feeling very alert and hypervigilin around people,
and now with this person, like you can finally rest.
And I know this is very difficult for people with
who are naturally anxious to be able to discern. I
think if you are someone who is quite socially anxiou
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or just has generalized anxiety, like any first date, anytime
meeting a new person, it can naturally and it will
instinctually spike your anxiety. So you might be going through
life being like, oh my gosh, Emma told me that
it should feel peaceful, but I never feel peaceful anyways,
So how am I meant to tell same? With like
relationship trauma, you can find dating to just honestly always
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be a very scary or fearful experience. But I want
you to just take note of the times and who
you are with when your body feels at ease, whether
it is that like even just for a couple of minutes,
you exit a stressed state, and you know, sometimes that
can mean that you have to be friends with people first,
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and that's how you overcome the da dating trauma or
a sense of anxiety around meeting new people. I think
that's a really great way to meet someone who you
genuinely are compatible with and that you like. I experience
this with my boyfriend, and we went friends to begin with,
but at the time I met him our first date.
After our first date, I left the date and I
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was like, to my friends, I felt like almost a
little bit bored, like it, I felt bored almost, and
they were like, won't you were on a date for
like four five hours, and you went to like three
different locations, like you went out for dinner, you went
out for a drink, you went out for frozen yogurt,
like you obviously weren't bored if you were still there.
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And I was like, oh, yeah, like you're probably right,
And I obviously went on another date with him, and
it was like wonderful, but it felt like giddy and
fun rather than stressful and tense, like I was not
confused by what that feeling was. Something that also was
very very apparent with him was like again this sense
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of like have I known you for a long time,
Like I feel like I've met you before we even
were trying to do this like backtracking math. I was like,
I just feel like this is not the first time
we have met. And I know, for like a scientific
psychology podcast, that sounds very woo woo, but I don't know.
That's just how it really felt. And this really brings
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me kind of somewhat to my next sign of deep
emotional compatibility, and it's probably the most obvious one. It
feels like talking takes no effort. We have all had
that experience of talking to someone like at a party,
or at an event, and it genuinely feels like you
are pulling out your eyelashes, like each sentence, each question
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is a stretch. It's a struggle, and it's the worst,
like it's awful. But then on the flip side, sometimes
you meet these people who you like immediately, like you
are on the same frequency, like platonic or romantic. The
banter is perfect. There is a lovely balance between serious
and emotional but also jovial and light, and the conversation
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almost feels like you've entered a flow state, like you
just feel like you don't want to leave. The hours
are passing by. You kind of forget to look up,
You forget about what's around you, like you never run
out of things to say. This is, like, I think,
one of the most magical parts about being human and
about falling in love or like finding yourself in a
new connection or friendship, Like it's so magical. It's just like, wow,
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you get me, I get you. We're both here on
this planet and here we are talking, and it just
feels so natural. And even if you're quite introverted, I
do still think that this can happen even if you're
quite shy. I think it just feels like if you
share similar values and similar interests, you don't feel judged
talking to that person. You don't feel like talking to
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them it's going to put you at risk. It doesn't
feel like your personalities are creating friction, like they're very,
very harmonious. This really brings me to another point, and
it's a very crucial ingredient for or compatibility. I don't
think you can have a fulfilling relationship with someone whose
communication style and personality constantly clashes with yours. For example,
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the one upper someone who always has to come up
with a better story, a better example. That might be
great for people who are competitive and want to be challenged,
but for the average person, you know you're probably not
going to get along with this person. Same with people
who are quite self centered and arrogant. In a conversation,
it's pretty hard to feel like you're flowing with someone
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who is talking about their wealth or their accomplishments all
the time, or someone who was always looking over your
shoulder for someone better to talk to, or who gives
one word answers. I think how someone presents in a
conversation is how they enter a relationship. So if they
are present, if they connect with you, if they're focused
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and generous. I think that's a really really good sign.
So this brings me to my third sign. You acknowledge
each other's independence but still value the same things. The
most compatible people I know are not identical. They are
actually very different, and they insist on being their own people.
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They like each other, They love each other because each
person puts time and energy into themselves, and so the
individual things that they have fallen in love with they
don't disappear when they become one. I guess. Also, I
think independence shows that both people respect the other person's personhood.
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That's just like critical, critical, critical, critical. Let's talk about
what we need to have in common though, despite our
individual brilliance. So a question I get all the time
is can I be in a relationship with someone who
has opposing political differences to me? I especially got after
the US election when people were like, hey, my boyfriend
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or husband voted for Trump or my girlfriend voted independent,
Like can this still work? Let's talk about a twenty
twenty three study conducted in Italy that will answer that
question for us, not completely answer, gives us a good insight.
So the authors of this paper, they recruited two hundred
and seventy four Italian adults to take part in a
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short online survey. In the survey, they wanted participants to
rank which of one hundred and fifty three characteristics from
morals to humor to intelligence were the ones they'd most
like to share or have in common with the romantic partner.
The most important compatibility characteristic for these people was having
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and sharing similar viewpoints on important issues like sexism, abortion,
human rights, the death penalty, and gender roles. But you know,
more general political beliefs in like specific economic policies like that,
it wasn't really that important. Basically, people wanted to share
morals with their partner, and of course who you vote
for does indicate your moral values or your moral perspective.
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A more recent study from last year twenty twenty four,
so very timely, examined the impact of political dissimilarity on
romantic relationships. The researchers studied more than five hundred couples
and they looked at whether people voted the same and
how their relationship was impacted if they didn't, And they
found that not agreeing on politics created more friction and
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less satisfaction. Again, this seemed most powerful when the political
differences were about issues that had moral implications. And they
also found that in general, more and more people do
consider political alignment when it comes to their dating choices.
So it's not about politics that this is what I
really want to express. It's not about politics, it's about values,
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other values that are important to share. As by that
original Italian study, people want to raise their kids in
a similar way. If they want kids, they want to
have similarities in terms of lifestyle religion. About seventy six
percent of people said that that was important, and also
how they express and perceive emotions, which we are going
to discuss next. But I think that all feels very
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self explanatory. Right, Like the things you would fight with
about your family and that you would disagree with about
your friend's lifestyle, you don't want that to be reflected
in your partner, like it's going to make it so
difficult because you're around them all the time. Like that
just makes for so much more tension, a lot more unhappiness.
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Now for those of you who would say, well, you
can approach these things with respect and agree to disagree,
I also think that's completely true. I do think that
that is possible and shows great maturity. But for things
as deeply personal as your opinions on human rights and
you know, women's freedom, it's hard to not then have
a sense of resentment over that, especially with the person
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that you love the most. You know, if you are
a woman and you're dating a man who doesn't think
that you should have access to reproductive rights, and you
do like, that's just not going to work. Like I
genuinely just don't think that's going to work. If you're
a woman and you're dating a man who doesn't believe
you should have access to reproductive rights, and you also agree,
and you also think you know your pro life or whatever,
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like that might work because you don't feel disrespected by
that opinion. Very complicated, very nuanced. Hopefully that makes sense. Okay,
we're going to take a short little break to recover
from that intensity, and when we get back, we are
going to talk through the final two signs of deep
emotional compatibility and how to be honest with yourself around
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whether this person is really the one stay with us.
We talked briefly about conversational communication earlier, but let's also
turn to a emotional communication because whoa like they are
very very different. You can be completely in tune with
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someone when it comes to the fun, the lighthearted stuff,
and the hobbies and the interests, and then discover like,
we do not talk about our emotions or approach them
in the same way. So the fourth sign that you
are deeply compatible is that you express and process emotions
in a way that compliments each other. Now note how
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I don't say in the same way, because I don't
think that's really necessary, but you should have some similarities
in the you know, in this essential part of your relationship,
you should be able to see where the other person
is coming from. There are largely four different communication styles
that influence emotional communication, and this is really based on
some original research from a psychologist called William Maulton. So
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he began researching this back in the nineteen twenties, so
almost one hundred years ago, and it's obviously changed a
bit from his first conceptualization, but there is still generally
there still seems to be four categories of emotional communicators
in society. These are passive, assertive, passive, aggressive, and aggressive.
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Some people also include manipulative here as well, but I
think that's just passive aggressive, So think it all kind
of falls into four categories. Let's quickly talk about each one.
I'm going to start with assertive because it's most commonly
considered the best style. The assertive communicator is what we
all should aspire to be. They have higher self esteem,
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They are able to find a really important middle ground
between being aggressive and submissive. They clearly communicate their needs
without trying to hurt others. And they're accountable like when
they talk about their emotions with you, they aren't dismissive,
and it comes from a place of building trust. A
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plus to the asset of communicator, like we really are
aiming for that. Then we have the passive emotional communicator.
These communicators are the people pleasers, and generally they prefer
to go along with others' suggestions. They may find that
they typically don't express their feelings or needs. They ignore
their own personal rights and allow others to also ignore
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what they would like. What that looks like is referring
to others' decisions to make sure that there's no tension
or conflict, you know, not saying anything in the moment,
which can lead to a lot of built up anger
or resentment. But I don't think we can blame them
like I think sometimes being a passive communicator is really
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the only option that some people have in the face
of violence or on the face of emotional abuse. I
heard from a psychiatrist actually who said the majority of
his patients or clients who are passive communicators are those
who have experienced trauma in childhood, bullying, neglect, abuse, or
prior trauma or dismissiveness in adult romantic relationships, and so
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they have adopted this style to make themselves as small
and as inoffensive as possible. Next up, we have passive aggressive.
We have all encountered this. The individual who appears not
to care, but under the surface is really acting out
of anger, either through sarcasm or giving you the cold
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shoulder or being very indirect and then kind of blaming
you for misinterpreting their feelings. They're very prickly, and some
would say they have limited consideration for others feelings. I
actually say that it's a protective mechanism. It's like they've
kind of coming out of the shell and they want
you to know what they're feeling, but they don't know
how to say it properly and say it with say
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it with their chest. Finally, we have all out aggressive,
the person who says what they want and what they
need and they don't care if it makes you angry,
and they are very forceful. There is no room for
compromise with these people. They often lash out directly and
they intend to hurt you. Like, there is anger and
there is dominance, and that's not to be confused with
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the self respect of the assertive communicator. I don't think
many people benefit from being with an aggressive communicator unless
you are also aggressive and you can kind of give
it back, like you can show them the love, the
tough love that they are showing you, and like, I
guess at that point they've kind of met their match.
But if you're a passive communicator with an aggressive communicator,
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like there is so much that will forever be left
unresolved because your way of approaching your emotions is entirely opposite.
You either need to be with another passive communicator so
you can kind of see each other's perspective and understand
that this is a protective mechanism, or an assertive communicator
who can be like, no, please tell me, I want
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to know. I want to get through this together. Same
with a passive aggressive communicator. They need an assertive communicator
to cut through some of the defenses and say, Okay,
we're going to work this out like adults, like we're
going to be big kids about this. And I really
want to do a whole episode on how to become
a healthy assert of communicator because you can shift how
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you interpret and express your emotions. It's a bit too
much for this episode, but you know, beyond communication, I
do think you need a similar style of emotional processing.
And this is kind of reflected in that emotional communication style.
But it also comes down to are you reactive or
are you reactive or use someone who contemplates what you're
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going to do next. Do you need to talk through
your emotions or feel them physically? Do you need space
from your emotions or do you want to manage them
straight away? I think if you feel your emotions in
a way that compliments each other, this is a really
beautiful sign of compatibility. You know, one person may go silent,
the other person gives reassurance and you swap someone who
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wants to respond immediately. Is someone is with someone who
is okay with taking time and you learn how to
operate with those different styles together. I think you really
don't realize how much this makes or breaks a relationship
until you start to get more serious with someone. Especially
you know, we know that our partner's emotions impact our own,
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particularly particularly their unmanaged ones. So you want compatibility, you know,
you want balance and attunement when you work through vulnerable things.
We're going to talk about the final sign of deep
emotional compatibility between two people, and it is so simple.
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It's laughter. You know, the saying goes Couples who laugh
together stay together, and the science and the psychology seemingly
confirms it. It's a surprising sign of deep connection. But
when you share the same sense of humor, I think
it kind of gets you through a lot of things.
Looks will fade, you will encounter challenges, you will move,
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you will change as people. But if you can keep
being silly and keep that light, childlike wonder in your relationship,
it seems that like your success is somewhat ensured. Really
fascinating study on this from twenty twenty four. It asked
participants in a couple to keep a diary, and in
it they wanted them to report on how satisfied they
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felt with their relationship, how committed and how much they
were laughing each day. They found that the days when
each couple reported more humor were the days when they
also were a lot happier and they felt more stable
in their relationship. And these results really support findings from
decades ago like this has been known for a long
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time that when we laugh more in a relationship, that
bond feels stronger for both parties. Laughter is also a
natural mood booster. It relieves stress, it gives us a
more optimistic view on life, which is why I think
so many of us use humor to get through tragedy
and hard times. And if it's your partner who's making
you laugh, well that's even better. So those are our
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five biggest signs of emotional compatibility. Let's quickly do a
little summary, because you know this episode is almost half
an hour long. The five signs are, it feels like
you're coming home to them, There's a sense of emotional safety,
the conversation is effortless. You are independent, but you share values,
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your emotional processing styles compliment each other. And last but
certainly not at least they make you laugh. Knowing this
is one thing, But how Can we use it to
almost stress test our relationship? How do we use it
as a litmus test when perhaps we are a bit
blinded by early feelings of passion and attraction. So I
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want to give you a little bit of a checklist here.
These are questions that I would be asking myself if
I was dating again When I see them? Do I
feel anxious or at ease? Do our interactions, either in
person or online or overtext leave me feeling uneasy or confused?
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Do I find myself having to think about things to
discuss with them? Am I hyper aware of silences when
we're together? Are there conversations that I'm avoiding because I
know that we'll disagree? Do I feel like my entire
life is now focused on this person or are there
still things that I love to do separately? Do they
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help me with my emotions or make them worse? Would
I bring up an issue with them and know that
it's something we can work through? And finally, when was
the last time they made me full on laugh out loud,
roll on the floor laughter. However you answered, you know
this isn't graded based on a yes or no answer.
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You know there really isn't any right or wrong answer,
although there's one that's definitely preferable. I just think that
these questions reveal some additional things for you to consider,
especially when you're in the early days, and you can
look past these things if you want. You can decide
that it's not a deal breaker to be uncomfortable when
you're silent around them. You can decide that it's not
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a deal breaker that sometimes you feel a bit emotional,
or that it's not a deal breaker that you can't
bring up an issue with them. But I would ask
why you think that is the case, and is it
just because you are compromising on what you really want
and what's going to make the relationship last in the
long term, for the short term spark and the short
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term assurance that this person really really likes you. Now,
there is not a single relationship out there that has
not experienced doubts, that has not come across some very
existential question of should we be together? But I think
at the core, when I look at the relationships of
you know, my grandparents who have been together for however
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many years, and my parents and friends' parents and people
you see as relationship examples in the media, I really
like would say a lot of what I know comes
down to these very important pillars of compatibility. So if
you are with someone or you are dating right now
and you are not sure and you're a bit like, ooh,
they kind of don't meet all these criteria, please wait,
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please hold out for the other person. I know that,
especially in our twenties, dating can just feel so exhausting
because there is this real stupid sense that like, you
need to have someone by thirty and that you need
to be in love. And so I do understand the
social pressure one hundred percent absolutely, but I think it's
better to be single for a few more years than
to wake up at thirty two and be like, oh wow,
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this person really wasn't right for me, and now I
have to start over again. You don't know who is
waiting for you to make the right choice in this
relationship or this situation and leave this relationship so that
you can find them. So please go searching for compatibility
over chemistry. I hope that this episode really really helped you.
I hope that you can learn from some of my
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own experiences but also some of the research. Let me
know if it resonated with you, and if you've made
it this far. Please leave a little four leaf clover
emoji in the comments and tell me what you thought
or whether you think there are other signs of compatibility
that I didn't cover and share them with everyone else,
because I think that's also a really important part of
this community, is that we expand on these ideas, and
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until next time, please stay safe, stay kind, be gentle
to yourself, and we will talk very very soon.
Hello everybody, well, welcome back to the show. Welcome back
to the podcast, new listeners, old listeners, wherever you are
in the world, it is so great to have you
here back for another episode as we, of course break
down the psychology of our twenties. Welcome to our twenty
twenty five Valentine's Day episode. Every single year I like
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to cover like a specific topic around love and dating
and relationships for this special time of the year. And
if you're listening to this after Valentine's Day, you know what,
let's just pretend it's Valentine's Day. Show yourself some self
love today, show someone that you love some love today.
Just for no reason, every day can be Valentine's Day.
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I will stop with the cliches right now so we
can get into the episode. But yes, thank you so
much for all the love you guys have shown me
over the past year. I feel like this is about
to be a crazy year with my book coming out
in April obviously, with Mantra also out in the world
new podcast, so hopefully this episode teaches you how to
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love yourself a little bit more, but also how to
have healthy relationships with others and you know, recognize compatibility
and recognize how important that is. That is my segue
into what we are talking about today, which is, yes, compatibility,
what makes people just click? What really underlies those relationships
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that just work and seem so easy and calm and safe.
And how can we make sure that we know compatibility
when we feel it, especially in kind of a modern
world that's very very much about instant gratification and about
passion and chemistry. How do we find those that love
that really lasts. I want to talk about five deep
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signs of emotional and psychological compatibility between two people that
you may not be looking for in a relationship or
even in a platonic relationship. What are the signs that
it's meant to be or unfortunately not meant to be.
The reason I really wanted to do this episode and
cover this topic is because I have in the past
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been someone who has confused chemistry and compatibility. Now, chemistry
to me is all about attraction and emotional intensity and
excitement and magnetism that pulls you together. It's definitely more
physical than emotional, and also it's quite fast, It's quite
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rapid compared to compatibility, which often simmers below the surface
and takes a little bit longer to reveal itself. It's
why you hear these stories of people who are friends
for years and then suddenly are like, wait, are you
the one for me? I think the moment that we
realize a deep compatibility with someone, it's very hard to ignore.
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I also believe that we can have both. You do
need the passion and the fire, you know, you do
need to really feel like you are obsessed with them
and that you love them. But if weeks and months
go by and down the road you realize you can't communicate,
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you don't actually understand each other, It's not as effortless
as you think. It can be a really rude awakening,
and you can feel very blindsided by the realization. And
what you realize you've missed all along is the compatibility.
You've thought that that's what the chemistry was, and it's not.
And I think in our twenties in particular, or at
any rate age really you know I'm going to take
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that back. At any age, you don't want to waste
your precious time in a relationship or even a friendship
for that matter, where no matter how hard you try,
the thing that would make you to click is just
not there. You know. Take it from me. I have
been there, done that, got the souvenirs. And although I
wouldn't take those choices back, you know, it was very
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important for my growth as a person. I do wish
that there were some things that I'd learned to recognize earlier,
so I didn't have to learn the lesson twice. Luckily
for me, I'm now with an amazing person with whom
I have both compatibility and chemistry with, and I've realized
there are some essential things that do define a good relationship,
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specifically a relationship that is secure. So consider this your
checklist whether you are dating someone new, you are unsure
about the relationship you're currently in, or you just want
some sense of your standards. I want to talk through
all the psychology, the studies, the research on what makes
two people compatible without further ado, let's get into it.
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Some people really don't agree with me when I say
that two people who aren't compatible just simply cannot be together,
Like if it's not there, it's not there. But I
really do, fully believe that there has to be some
fundamental emotional similarity between two people before they even consider dating,
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and it cannot just be a physical impulse or just
a sense of attraction, Like you know, if you're attracted
to somebody, you can tell pretty quickly if it's mutual.
But compatibility to me, although it does take more time,
is so worth it. And it's this instinct that without
even knowing that you know, this person could learn everything
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about you. This person in some ways already does see
you very very deeply. You know there is some part
of you reflected in them. A way of seeing the world,
a way of handling emotions, a respect, a likeness, like
it's a depth that you share. And I know that
sounds very very intangible. We're going to talk about exactly
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what that looks like. But I think when you don't
have that, you will never feel fulfilled by the other person,
Like they just simply don't meet your emotional needs. And
it's very very hard to ignore. Now, I will say,
and I say this like to my friends quite a lot.
Actually it's not uncommon to occasionally have doubts about your relationship.
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I really want to impress that, Like at some stage,
I think everyone will say to themselves, is this person
right for me? And I actually think that's a really
good sign. It's really important to reevaluate at certain points
in your relationship that this is working, that you actually
want to be there, that you're not just like passively
engaging in the relationship because it's the path of least
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resistance because you know you've just gotten used to them.
I really think that you can still have arguments in
healthy compatible relationships. You can still feel misunderstood. You still
will have to compromise or disagree, and it doesn't mean
that they are not right for you, but that it
cannot be the core experience of being in a relationship
with someone. It cannot be constant fights, constant misunderstandings, the
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same fights which you know give such a beautiful sense
of relief when they're done that you confuse it with love,
like it cannot be feeling cold in the relationship or
a sense of relief when you're not together. I watch
this really amazing interview on YouTube the other day of
this woman her name is Spirit, I don't like. I
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think she just goes by Spirit and she explains what
it feels like to be in an emotionally incompatible friendship
or relationship, and the way she describes it is the
circle and the square. So I want you to imagine
like a big square. You can even trot it down
like a big square, and inside is a circle, and
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the circle touches each side of the square. It feels supported,
you know, every side is touched. But there are these
gaps where the cannot touch the corners of the square
because it's obviously not a square. And those gaps between
the circles edges and the corners of the square, those
are our unmet needs. The circle in the square can
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never feel completely supported while they are with each other
because there is all this space that is miscommunication, all
this space in which doubt flows in, Like you want
to be with someone who it feels like you really
really fit. And I will leave a link to this
YouTube video because it's really really good and I feel
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like it's a very visual way of seeing it. But
I think the first time I watched it, I was like, oh,
that totally makes sense. Like all of these relationships from
my past, I've just been trying to be the circle
to the square, or like the triangle to the square.
Doesn't work. So let's talk about the five signs. Now,
I've rambled on long enough. Let's talk about what they are.
I think the first sign that you are compatible with
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someone is that you feel emotionally safe and there is
this sense of coming home to them, some part of
you can finally rest. And I think this is a
big distinction between chemistry and compatibility. The butterflies aren't is overwhelming.
They're still there, but above all else, you're feeling like
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everything is quite still. You know, there's a famous quote
that we think butterflies mean we're in love, but they
really just mean anxiety. And I tend to agree. It's
why I always ask myself the question is this excitement
or is this nausea? Because they do tend to feel
eerily similar, and sometimes you can't always tell the difference,
or when you meet the right person, you honestly might
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confuse it with boredom. And I think it's because your
body is used to feeling very alert and hypervigilin around people,
and now with this person, like you can finally rest.
And I know this is very difficult for people with
who are naturally anxious to be able to discern. I
think if you are someone who is quite socially anxiou
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or just has generalized anxiety, like any first date, anytime
meeting a new person, it can naturally and it will
instinctually spike your anxiety. So you might be going through
life being like, oh my gosh, Emma told me that
it should feel peaceful, but I never feel peaceful anyways,
So how am I meant to tell same? With like
relationship trauma, you can find dating to just honestly always
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be a very scary or fearful experience. But I want
you to just take note of the times and who
you are with when your body feels at ease, whether
it is that like even just for a couple of minutes,
you exit a stressed state, and you know, sometimes that
can mean that you have to be friends with people first,
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and that's how you overcome the da dating trauma or
a sense of anxiety around meeting new people. I think
that's a really great way to meet someone who you
genuinely are compatible with and that you like. I experience
this with my boyfriend, and we went friends to begin with,
but at the time I met him our first date.
After our first date, I left the date and I
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was like, to my friends, I felt like almost a
little bit bored, like it, I felt bored almost, and
they were like, won't you were on a date for
like four five hours, and you went to like three
different locations, like you went out for dinner, you went
out for a drink, you went out for frozen yogurt,
like you obviously weren't bored if you were still there.
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And I was like, oh, yeah, like you're probably right,
And I obviously went on another date with him, and
it was like wonderful, but it felt like giddy and
fun rather than stressful and tense, like I was not
confused by what that feeling was. Something that also was
very very apparent with him was like again this sense
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of like have I known you for a long time,
Like I feel like I've met you before we even
were trying to do this like backtracking math. I was like,
I just feel like this is not the first time
we have met. And I know, for like a scientific
psychology podcast, that sounds very woo woo, but I don't know.
That's just how it really felt. And this really brings
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me kind of somewhat to my next sign of deep
emotional compatibility, and it's probably the most obvious one. It
feels like talking takes no effort. We have all had
that experience of talking to someone like at a party,
or at an event, and it genuinely feels like you
are pulling out your eyelashes, like each sentence, each question
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is a stretch. It's a struggle, and it's the worst,
like it's awful. But then on the flip side, sometimes
you meet these people who you like immediately, like you
are on the same frequency, like platonic or romantic. The
banter is perfect. There is a lovely balance between serious
and emotional but also jovial and light, and the conversation
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almost feels like you've entered a flow state, like you
just feel like you don't want to leave. The hours
are passing by. You kind of forget to look up,
You forget about what's around you, like you never run
out of things to say. This is, like, I think,
one of the most magical parts about being human and
about falling in love or like finding yourself in a
new connection or friendship, Like it's so magical. It's just like, wow,
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you get me, I get you. We're both here on
this planet and here we are talking, and it just
feels so natural. And even if you're quite introverted, I
do still think that this can happen even if you're
quite shy. I think it just feels like if you
share similar values and similar interests, you don't feel judged
talking to that person. You don't feel like talking to
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them it's going to put you at risk. It doesn't
feel like your personalities are creating friction, like they're very,
very harmonious. This really brings me to another point, and
it's a very crucial ingredient for or compatibility. I don't
think you can have a fulfilling relationship with someone whose
communication style and personality constantly clashes with yours. For example,
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the one upper someone who always has to come up
with a better story, a better example. That might be
great for people who are competitive and want to be challenged,
but for the average person, you know you're probably not
going to get along with this person. Same with people
who are quite self centered and arrogant. In a conversation,
it's pretty hard to feel like you're flowing with someone
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who is talking about their wealth or their accomplishments all
the time, or someone who was always looking over your
shoulder for someone better to talk to, or who gives
one word answers. I think how someone presents in a
conversation is how they enter a relationship. So if they
are present, if they connect with you, if they're focused
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and generous. I think that's a really really good sign.
So this brings me to my third sign. You acknowledge
each other's independence but still value the same things. The
most compatible people I know are not identical. They are
actually very different, and they insist on being their own people.
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They like each other, They love each other because each
person puts time and energy into themselves, and so the
individual things that they have fallen in love with they
don't disappear when they become one. I guess. Also, I
think independence shows that both people respect the other person's personhood.
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That's just like critical, critical, critical, critical. Let's talk about
what we need to have in common though, despite our
individual brilliance. So a question I get all the time
is can I be in a relationship with someone who
has opposing political differences to me? I especially got after
the US election when people were like, hey, my boyfriend
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or husband voted for Trump or my girlfriend voted independent,
Like can this still work? Let's talk about a twenty
twenty three study conducted in Italy that will answer that
question for us, not completely answer, gives us a good insight.
So the authors of this paper, they recruited two hundred
and seventy four Italian adults to take part in a
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short online survey. In the survey, they wanted participants to
rank which of one hundred and fifty three characteristics from
morals to humor to intelligence were the ones they'd most
like to share or have in common with the romantic partner.
The most important compatibility characteristic for these people was having
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and sharing similar viewpoints on important issues like sexism, abortion,
human rights, the death penalty, and gender roles. But you know,
more general political beliefs in like specific economic policies like that,
it wasn't really that important. Basically, people wanted to share
morals with their partner, and of course who you vote
for does indicate your moral values or your moral perspective.
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A more recent study from last year twenty twenty four,
so very timely, examined the impact of political dissimilarity on
romantic relationships. The researchers studied more than five hundred couples
and they looked at whether people voted the same and
how their relationship was impacted if they didn't, And they
found that not agreeing on politics created more friction and
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less satisfaction. Again, this seemed most powerful when the political
differences were about issues that had moral implications. And they
also found that in general, more and more people do
consider political alignment when it comes to their dating choices.
So it's not about politics that this is what I
really want to express. It's not about politics, it's about values,
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other values that are important to share. As by that
original Italian study, people want to raise their kids in
a similar way. If they want kids, they want to
have similarities in terms of lifestyle religion. About seventy six
percent of people said that that was important, and also
how they express and perceive emotions, which we are going
to discuss next. But I think that all feels very
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self explanatory. Right, Like the things you would fight with
about your family and that you would disagree with about
your friend's lifestyle, you don't want that to be reflected
in your partner, like it's going to make it so
difficult because you're around them all the time. Like that
just makes for so much more tension, a lot more unhappiness.
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Now for those of you who would say, well, you
can approach these things with respect and agree to disagree,
I also think that's completely true. I do think that
that is possible and shows great maturity. But for things
as deeply personal as your opinions on human rights and
you know, women's freedom, it's hard to not then have
a sense of resentment over that, especially with the person
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that you love the most. You know, if you are
a woman and you're dating a man who doesn't think
that you should have access to reproductive rights, and you
do like, that's just not going to work. Like I
genuinely just don't think that's going to work. If you're
a woman and you're dating a man who doesn't believe
you should have access to reproductive rights, and you also agree,
and you also think you know your pro life or whatever,
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like that might work because you don't feel disrespected by
that opinion. Very complicated, very nuanced. Hopefully that makes sense. Okay,
we're going to take a short little break to recover
from that intensity, and when we get back, we are
going to talk through the final two signs of deep
emotional compatibility and how to be honest with yourself around
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whether this person is really the one stay with us.
We talked briefly about conversational communication earlier, but let's also
turn to a emotional communication because whoa like they are
very very different. You can be completely in tune with
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someone when it comes to the fun, the lighthearted stuff,
and the hobbies and the interests, and then discover like,
we do not talk about our emotions or approach them
in the same way. So the fourth sign that you
are deeply compatible is that you express and process emotions
in a way that compliments each other. Now note how
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I don't say in the same way, because I don't
think that's really necessary, but you should have some similarities
in the you know, in this essential part of your relationship,
you should be able to see where the other person
is coming from. There are largely four different communication styles
that influence emotional communication, and this is really based on
some original research from a psychologist called William Maulton. So
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he began researching this back in the nineteen twenties, so
almost one hundred years ago, and it's obviously changed a
bit from his first conceptualization, but there is still generally
there still seems to be four categories of emotional communicators
in society. These are passive, assertive, passive, aggressive, and aggressive.
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Some people also include manipulative here as well, but I
think that's just passive aggressive, So think it all kind
of falls into four categories. Let's quickly talk about each one.
I'm going to start with assertive because it's most commonly
considered the best style. The assertive communicator is what we
all should aspire to be. They have higher self esteem,
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They are able to find a really important middle ground
between being aggressive and submissive. They clearly communicate their needs
without trying to hurt others. And they're accountable like when
they talk about their emotions with you, they aren't dismissive,
and it comes from a place of building trust. A
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plus to the asset of communicator, like we really are
aiming for that. Then we have the passive emotional communicator.
These communicators are the people pleasers, and generally they prefer
to go along with others' suggestions. They may find that
they typically don't express their feelings or needs. They ignore
their own personal rights and allow others to also ignore
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what they would like. What that looks like is referring
to others' decisions to make sure that there's no tension
or conflict, you know, not saying anything in the moment,
which can lead to a lot of built up anger
or resentment. But I don't think we can blame them
like I think sometimes being a passive communicator is really
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the only option that some people have in the face
of violence or on the face of emotional abuse. I
heard from a psychiatrist actually who said the majority of
his patients or clients who are passive communicators are those
who have experienced trauma in childhood, bullying, neglect, abuse, or
prior trauma or dismissiveness in adult romantic relationships, and so
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they have adopted this style to make themselves as small
and as inoffensive as possible. Next up, we have passive aggressive.
We have all encountered this. The individual who appears not
to care, but under the surface is really acting out
of anger, either through sarcasm or giving you the cold
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shoulder or being very indirect and then kind of blaming
you for misinterpreting their feelings. They're very prickly, and some
would say they have limited consideration for others feelings. I
actually say that it's a protective mechanism. It's like they've
kind of coming out of the shell and they want
you to know what they're feeling, but they don't know
how to say it properly and say it with say
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it with their chest. Finally, we have all out aggressive,
the person who says what they want and what they
need and they don't care if it makes you angry,
and they are very forceful. There is no room for
compromise with these people. They often lash out directly and
they intend to hurt you. Like, there is anger and
there is dominance, and that's not to be confused with
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the self respect of the assertive communicator. I don't think
many people benefit from being with an aggressive communicator unless
you are also aggressive and you can kind of give
it back, like you can show them the love, the
tough love that they are showing you, and like, I
guess at that point they've kind of met their match.
But if you're a passive communicator with an aggressive communicator,
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like there is so much that will forever be left
unresolved because your way of approaching your emotions is entirely opposite.
You either need to be with another passive communicator so
you can kind of see each other's perspective and understand
that this is a protective mechanism, or an assertive communicator
who can be like, no, please tell me, I want
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to know. I want to get through this together. Same
with a passive aggressive communicator. They need an assertive communicator
to cut through some of the defenses and say, Okay,
we're going to work this out like adults, like we're
going to be big kids about this. And I really
want to do a whole episode on how to become
a healthy assert of communicator because you can shift how
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you interpret and express your emotions. It's a bit too
much for this episode, but you know, beyond communication, I
do think you need a similar style of emotional processing.
And this is kind of reflected in that emotional communication style.
But it also comes down to are you reactive or
are you reactive or use someone who contemplates what you're
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going to do next. Do you need to talk through
your emotions or feel them physically? Do you need space
from your emotions or do you want to manage them
straight away? I think if you feel your emotions in
a way that compliments each other, this is a really
beautiful sign of compatibility. You know, one person may go silent,
the other person gives reassurance and you swap someone who
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wants to respond immediately. Is someone is with someone who
is okay with taking time and you learn how to
operate with those different styles together. I think you really
don't realize how much this makes or breaks a relationship
until you start to get more serious with someone. Especially
you know, we know that our partner's emotions impact our own,
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particularly particularly their unmanaged ones. So you want compatibility, you know,
you want balance and attunement when you work through vulnerable things.
We're going to talk about the final sign of deep
emotional compatibility between two people, and it is so simple.
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It's laughter. You know, the saying goes Couples who laugh
together stay together, and the science and the psychology seemingly
confirms it. It's a surprising sign of deep connection. But
when you share the same sense of humor, I think
it kind of gets you through a lot of things.
Looks will fade, you will encounter challenges, you will move,
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you will change as people. But if you can keep
being silly and keep that light, childlike wonder in your relationship,
it seems that like your success is somewhat ensured. Really
fascinating study on this from twenty twenty four. It asked
participants in a couple to keep a diary, and in
it they wanted them to report on how satisfied they
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felt with their relationship, how committed and how much they
were laughing each day. They found that the days when
each couple reported more humor were the days when they
also were a lot happier and they felt more stable
in their relationship. And these results really support findings from
decades ago like this has been known for a long
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time that when we laugh more in a relationship, that
bond feels stronger for both parties. Laughter is also a
natural mood booster. It relieves stress, it gives us a
more optimistic view on life, which is why I think
so many of us use humor to get through tragedy
and hard times. And if it's your partner who's making
you laugh, well that's even better. So those are our
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five biggest signs of emotional compatibility. Let's quickly do a
little summary, because you know this episode is almost half
an hour long. The five signs are, it feels like
you're coming home to them, There's a sense of emotional safety,
the conversation is effortless. You are independent, but you share values,
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your emotional processing styles compliment each other. And last but
certainly not at least they make you laugh. Knowing this
is one thing, But how Can we use it to
almost stress test our relationship? How do we use it
as a litmus test when perhaps we are a bit
blinded by early feelings of passion and attraction. So I
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want to give you a little bit of a checklist here.
These are questions that I would be asking myself if
I was dating again When I see them? Do I
feel anxious or at ease? Do our interactions, either in
person or online or overtext leave me feeling uneasy or confused?
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Do I find myself having to think about things to
discuss with them? Am I hyper aware of silences when
we're together? Are there conversations that I'm avoiding because I
know that we'll disagree? Do I feel like my entire
life is now focused on this person or are there
still things that I love to do separately? Do they
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help me with my emotions or make them worse? Would
I bring up an issue with them and know that
it's something we can work through? And finally, when was
the last time they made me full on laugh out loud,
roll on the floor laughter. However you answered, you know
this isn't graded based on a yes or no answer.
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You know there really isn't any right or wrong answer,
although there's one that's definitely preferable. I just think that
these questions reveal some additional things for you to consider,
especially when you're in the early days, and you can
look past these things if you want. You can decide
that it's not a deal breaker to be uncomfortable when
you're silent around them. You can decide that it's not
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a deal breaker that sometimes you feel a bit emotional,
or that it's not a deal breaker that you can't
bring up an issue with them. But I would ask
why you think that is the case, and is it
just because you are compromising on what you really want
and what's going to make the relationship last in the
long term, for the short term spark and the short
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term assurance that this person really really likes you. Now,
there is not a single relationship out there that has
not experienced doubts, that has not come across some very
existential question of should we be together? But I think
at the core, when I look at the relationships of
you know, my grandparents who have been together for however
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many years, and my parents and friends' parents and people
you see as relationship examples in the media, I really
like would say a lot of what I know comes
down to these very important pillars of compatibility. So if
you are with someone or you are dating right now
and you are not sure and you're a bit like, ooh,
they kind of don't meet all these criteria, please wait,
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please hold out for the other person. I know that,
especially in our twenties, dating can just feel so exhausting
because there is this real stupid sense that like, you
need to have someone by thirty and that you need
to be in love. And so I do understand the
social pressure one hundred percent absolutely, but I think it's
better to be single for a few more years than
to wake up at thirty two and be like, oh wow,
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this person really wasn't right for me, and now I
have to start over again. You don't know who is
waiting for you to make the right choice in this
relationship or this situation and leave this relationship so that
you can find them. So please go searching for compatibility
over chemistry. I hope that this episode really really helped you.
I hope that you can learn from some of my
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own experiences but also some of the research. Let me
know if it resonated with you, and if you've made
it this far. Please leave a little four leaf clover
emoji in the comments and tell me what you thought
or whether you think there are other signs of compatibility
that I didn't cover and share them with everyone else,
because I think that's also a really important part of
this community, is that we expand on these ideas, and
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I appreciate you listening to this episode. If you have
an episode idea that we haven't covered yet, I am
currently looking for some new topics for this next season
of the show, so you can DM me on Instagram
at that Psychology podcast. If you don't already follow us
over there, make sure that you've left a five star
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along so you know when new episodes come out. And
until next time, please stay safe, stay kind, be gentle
to yourself, and we will talk very very soon.
Host
Jemma Sbeghen
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