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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, puzzlers, Welcome to the Puzzler Podcast, The Unexpected Dividend
at the end of your puzzling fiscal year. I am
your host, AJ Jacobson. Today's guest is the great Peter Gordon.
Peter is a legend in puzzle land. He has constructed
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one hundred and twenty eight New York Times crossword puzzles,
maybe one hundred and twenty nine by the time you
hear this. He has his own subscription based crossword service
at fireballcrosswords dot Com, with the delightful motto of.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The puzzles are hard? How hard? If you have to
ask too hard for you? There you go.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And as readers of my book might know, he is
my personal crossword hero because he made me the answer
to a clue in a Tuesday New York Times crossrod puzzle,
which we'll talk about a bit at the end.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Welcome Peter, Hi, AJ, Thanks for having me. Normally, I'm
listening to you while walking my dogs. That's gonna be
weird not to stop and pick up poop in the
middle of this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, you still can if you want. We won't stop you.
And by the way, walking the dog does play a
part in the story of how you made me a
clue in the puzzle in the New York Times puzzle,
which we will tell at the end. We want to
get get some puzzling done and then we can tell
that tale because it is a highlight of my life.
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So I can't tell it enough.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Today's puzzle is a word game that you've probably played,
and not only have you played, you've probably written puzzles
about it. It's called I rhymes. And these are words
that look like they should rhyme, but because the English
language is so bonkers, they do not. So lemon and demon,
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lemon demon that should rhyme, but it does not. It
should be demon or lemon demon, tough dough also, So
these will all clues that lead to a two word
I rhyme. Have you done any I rhyme puzzles yourself?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I did one in two thousand and one in New
York Times, just twenty three years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah. It had actual phrases.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That were I rhymes.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Can you do you remember one of them? And I'm
gonna I'm gonna hope it's not the same as one
I'm giving.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Right, So there's the actor in Patriot Games and GoldenEye.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead say it Sean Sean Bean right,
se right? Oh wait, I thought, wait, say the clue again,
actor in Patriot Games and GoldenEye. Right, so Sean, But
where's the bean come from? That's his last name, Sean Connery.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
No, no, no, Sean Bean.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh I never heard of that. I thought. I just
thought GoldenEye, James Bond, Sean Connery.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So Sean Connery was long gone by.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm realizing that now when you say it, Okay, Sean
be and I never heard of them. Okay, give me
another this.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Post blizzard vehicles, a post lizard vehicle, blizzard, post buzzes blizzard. Oh, snowplow,
snowplow got all right, well this is good. You know
I don't have to say a grass cutter with zip
uh mower, power power mop.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's there, you go, power mower. And one more, what
a gourmet enjoys good food?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Good food.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
That one I only got because I thought of doing that.
So but none of those are the ones I did.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, I got one more. One more. Lassie Blank, a
nineteen forty three filmed.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Lassie Blank entered, Come Home, Lassie, come Home. Last week
there you go home nice. All right, Well we'll see
if mine are better. I don't think they are, but
they are, I hope equally is entertaining Mine are I
think a little more nonsensical, So if that counts for anything,
are you ready?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm ready?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
All right?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, this is a if Townshend or Sampris or Booted
Edge had a party, it might be a.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, I'm a big hool fan, so that's easy.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's a Pete fat.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Pete fat. I tried to come up with a Peter
for Peter Gordon, but the closest I could get is Pete.
Are you ever called Pete? Or no?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you're okay with that?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I'm okay with that?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
All right? What about a hammer used by one of
the dancers in the Nutcracker?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, it's a ballet mallet, a ballet mallet.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
But I do like that, you know, the Nutcracker. You
don't need a nutcracker if you have a mallet.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You don't need a mallet if you have a nutcracker.
All right. These are rodents from a town in France
on the Riviera, from a riviera town in France.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, Well, there's only one Riviera town in crosswords, and
that's nice.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So it's niece mice, niece mice exactly. This is what
you say to a baseball player when you want him
to take off his mitt. Huh.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, so they don't have to be the same number
of syllables. Okay, removed gloves exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Fun fact about Peter former or he is a licensed umpire.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I went to professional baseball umpire school, yes, in Florida
after college.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Is there a difference between a glove and a min
There is?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
A mit is what the catcher and the first baseman wear,
and the other positions wear gloves.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So you can't use them interchained. You can't say the
catcher's glove.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, the catcher's mitt is a glove, but a glove
is not, amit?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I see?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You can't rectangle thing right.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You can't use a first baseman's glove anywhere other than
a first base got it?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay? All right? How about now I'm just gonna bump
it up the level of just a little, since you
are a probe how about an eighteenth century policeman with
unpredictable behavior. An eighteenth century policeman with unpredictable behavior.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Is this a London It is British, yes, office Bobby, No,
not that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
One different, different British type of low level police officer.
But also they had them a lot back in the
old the early America.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh constable.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
What's the other half of the clue with unpredictable behavior?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Unstable constable?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Unstable constable? All right, gave him a minute. What about
a fever that is not clearly defined?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Fever that is not clear temperature? That might work right.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You might, but it is doesn't in this case. This
is an obscure word.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes, but it's an I thought. I can't argue or joke.
It is a vaig argue.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Wow, that's a deep dive for non puzzle people.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, listen, you are a puzzle person, So that's okay.
I did tease at the start that you are my
crossword hero. So do you want to you want to
tell it? Or should I tell it? Or should we
both tell it?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Speaking about that, so.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I was listening to a show called tell Me Something
I don't Know, on which you were the fact checker, right,
and they asked you about some fact about yourself, and
you mentioned how you were the answer to one down
in the New York Times Crossford and it was the
greatest day of your life and you were telling everyone
about it. And then your brother in law said that
that's not so special because it was a Saturday puzzle
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when it's supposed to be super duper hard.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That until you're in a.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Monday or Tuesday New York Times cross road, you're still
a five letter word starting with L O S and
ending an er. I'm listening to this while walking my dog,
and I'm thinking, wow, that would be funny if I
could put him in a crossroad with this quote. I
wonder if it breaks up to be the right length,
because crosswords have to be symmetric. And so I'm running
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home with the dog. I get home, I play it
back a few times, and it turns out that still
a five letter word starting with los and ending in
er breaks up into sixteen sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's crazy, almost.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Perfectly, because puzzles are normally fifteen by fifteen, but you
were allowed to stretch at the sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So I put that quote in.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I put aj Jacobs at one across and it got
accepted and ran. On December twenty sixth a few years ago,
and now you can talk about how you were solving
it on Christmas Day, right, Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, No, it was bizarre because I was solving. I
was a daily solver, so I was solving it the
night before it came out, and I saw that aj
Jacobs was the answer, and then this quote from me,
which I had even forgotten that I had said those
exact words, and I thought someone had had into my
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computer and I'm playing a joke on me, and I
was freaked out. And then people started emailing me have
you seen the puzzle? And I was like, this is hilarious.
And the idea was it was a Tuesday puzzle where
the where the answers are actually real famous people like
Biden and Lady Gaga. So I don't belong in a
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Tuesday puzzle. I belonged fairly in a Saturday. So you
were doing me a favoring me in the Tuesday. Now,
I will say, just for fact checking and to maintain
my family harmony, my brother in law did not say
that quote. He he did say he wrote he congratulated
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me and said, you know, congratulations, and then he put
it at the end He's like, but you should know
it was the Saturday puzzle, so he got a little
dig in me. But that quote where it's all about
being an lo seer, that was me impersonating him for
comic fact. So that is the fact checked version. But
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I loved it, and that's the way I started my book.
So thank you, Peter. And Peter is like, I think
one of the first chapters in the book.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, yep, there's a thrill to see that whole
chapter in that book about me.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
You know that's fun.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well you're a great character. Well, thank you, Peter. We
loved having you. Two quick things before we go one
for more Peter Gordon puzzles, go to firewallcrosswords dot com
anywhere else people should look for.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You, So you can go there for Fireball Crosswords, which
are super hard puzzles, or Firewall News Flash puzzles, which
are based on the news from the previous couple of weeks.
And then there's at Z Crosswords, which are small pangram
puzzles that have all twenty six letters of the alphabet in.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Love it and one other housekeeping That intro about the
dividends was by puzzler listener Lori Davis. Thank you Louri.
And the extra credit for those at home, This is
the hacking sound that you might hear if you are
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near someone who is allergic to Staten Island or Brooklyn
or the Bronx Manhattan or even Queens, not even Queens.
Queens is great, all right, Please come back tomorrow and
we'll tell you, and we will also have more puzzling
puzzles that will puzzle you puzzlingly.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Hey puzzlers, it's your Chief puzzle Officer, Greg Pliska here
with the extra credit answer from our previous episode, Michael
Ian Black joined us for Black's back. All kinds of
rhyming two word phrases with a surname and a thing
that rhymes with it. Your clue was Civil War General
Ulysses angry tirade. That of course is Grant's rant as
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Civil War General Ulysses. Grant goes on an awesome rant
about our progress. But we want eventually to all as well.
Thanks for playing, see you next time. Thanks for playing
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