June 14, 2024 • 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, Puzzlers, Welcome to the Puzzler Podcast, the drum Solo
in your Grateful Dead Puzzle Show. I'm AJ Jacobs and
today my guest is the wonderful Ted Allen, host of
the Food Channel show Chopped. He has written cookbooks, He
(00:29):
worked with me at Esquire and one of the original
cast members of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Welcome Ted,
Thank you Aj.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We are delighted. And do you remember where you were
when you heard that you had gotten the Queer Eye
gig uh?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't know. I was on vacation in Maine. They
actually ruined multiple vacations, dragging me back in for more callbacks.
But they told they later told told us that they
told Carson and me that we the two of us,
(01:10):
were cast first, probably because we are pretty diametrically opposite. Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
They liked the sort of odd couple thing going on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, and they liked the fact that I was the
only one who wasn't from New York.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Interesting, excellent, Well, it was an amazing show, path breaking,
and in honor of Queer Eye, we are going to
play a puzzle that has sort of a queer pride
theme going on. It's called Chasing the rainbow. So it's
all about the rainbow and the colors of the rainbow.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's one of many things that we gays have ruined,
is the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Disagree? I think that you have enhanced it. And the
colors of the rainbow that we're going to be talking
about today are as you might know, had orange, yellow, blue, indigo,
and violet roy gbiv uh oh, I forgot green red.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
If you take if you take a look at the
Pride flag today, it's got way more colors than that
on it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It has really had to expand that. I mean, it's
it's got there's a lot of letters now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right, absolutely. Yeah, it's like when a bee looks at
the world and sees the ultra violet's like a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
All right, So here's the uh, here is the way
this this puzzle works. I'm going to give you a
clue to a word, and you're gonna guess that word.
That's part one. Part two is that word will pair
with a color of the rainbow. So your job is
to figure out the word and then what color it
(02:48):
connects with. So let me give you the example. The
example is, uh, the clume would be another word for
a for young women might be girls. And then that
pairs with which of the colors of the rainbow Indigo
indigo girls. That's a crazy uh. And I started with
(03:10):
indigo because I, according to my rainbow research, which was
one google Uh, indigo is being phased out of the rainbow.
What Yeah, it's it's now basically red, orange, yellow, blue,
and purple. So they sort of took the other violet
and the indigo and and merged them.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to launch a protest. I like that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You are, You're an Indigo fan, all right? So here
is now these are going to be in any The
colors may not start. They're not going to start with
the roidgibiv they you know they I'm going to mix
it up for you, all right. Here we go chasing
the rainbow and uh, all right? Another word for hogi, grinder, hero, spucky,
(04:03):
or wedge. Those last two I'd never heard of.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But I have never heard of those last two either.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh that makes me feel better.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Hogy hero, I mean it's a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, but what kind of sandwich? A HOGI, A grinder,
a hero, It's a long sandwich. It's a yeah, it's
they sell them a subway.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh submarine, submarine.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Okay, that's part one. So what does that parent yellow? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And did you call were you a Hogy, a grinder
or a hero or a spucky or a wedge?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Really sub sub mean to the subs? Yeah, but I'm
as I'm from Ohio. I'm sure people things like hogi
and grinder those have to come from cities like New
York and Philly. And don't you think.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I feel it's Boston always has something like they call
Jimmy's sprinkles. Jimmy, I think that's true. Making that up?
All right? You ready? Uh, all right, here's your next color.
Despite what you see in the movies, Roman emperors would
point this down, not up to spare the life of
a gladiator.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Their sword.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, they're sitting in the they're sitting in. Siskel and
Ebert both had one of these.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh no, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Uh the thumb exactly, I knew you were. Yeah. You
remember when the they do the thumbs up for thumbs
down for killing the gladiator. Well, according to again, it
was for an article in a magazine that I did
on gladiator. According to that old research you would put
down to spare the life up to kill the guy.
(05:53):
So there you go, all right, but we haven't finished.
What color pairs with thumb? What rainbow color pairs with them?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Green, green, exactly? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Again, they don't have I murder plants with the reckless
abandoned all season long. Why it will say on my tombstone,
the gardening will break your heart.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right, good to know we will not hire you
to for our zucchinis or whatever. All right, the minotaur
is half this, The minotaur is half this.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Bull.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yes, and what color pairs well with bull?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Red? Red bull?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Exactly? Red bull? Delicious, red bull? All right, So you're
gonna the queer producers.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The queer producers fed us red bulls constantly, really, which
I refused to participate in because I already knew that
stuff was going to kill you and make your heart explode.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
They just wanted us to stay awake and keep working.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Interesting, What so did you go with espresso or something
a little plassier than red bull?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Is something a little bit less fatal? I don't know what's.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All right? And a disclaimer from all right? Ready for
your next one is a dad joke response to what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Doc?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, No, that's an interesting answer. No, it would be
if you ask some dads what's up, they might point
upwards and say the the sky, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, you've never heard that dad joke when we say,
we'll say what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No, I'm way too I'm way too cool to know
about that. So the color has to.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Be blue, exactly, blue sky.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Something we in New York would not be familiar with,
at least today. There's no blue up there today.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's true. Gray sky. Yeah, that was not in the rainbow,
the gray. All right. You're getting down to only a
couple of colors left, all right. According to a very
shallow internet search, ninety percent of people have anies of these,
and only ten percent have audies.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, it's belly button, right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But what's another word? What's the fancier word for belly button?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
H it is? Well, let's see, it's also what you
might call the uh oh na. There it is, there
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It can be nothing but nothing, sorry about that, which
could be nothing but orange?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Cool exactly, the nave of orange. All right, there's only
one color left. But I'm going to give it to
you anyway. This is an adjective to describe Angola, Rwanda, Kenya,
and Chad might be the the continent where they might
reside is well, I.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Know the continent is Africa? Is that all do you need?
It was where I thought it was going to be
like East or West or no.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, just uh yeah, no, you're overthinking it. It's Africa.
But as an adjective, it's African. So what pairs with African?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh, violet, there it is.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know you don't have a green thumb, so yeah,
uh well, my.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Mom used to raise African violence and sell them too.
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That is very weird. Well, I don't know. I'm glad.
I bet that's exciting because I bet I'm the first
journalist host to have discovered that fact. And it's all
because we had an African violet clue.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It just definitely you're the first.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We broke that news.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yes, breaking exciting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, thank you, Ted, you did great. Where can people
find more Ted Allen content?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well? Currently, Food Network is probably your best bet, and
I think we air kind of twenty four hours a day.
I am proud to say Chopp is now and it's
fifteenth year and we just finished our nine hundred and
fifty fourth episode, so we might be onto something. I'm
just gonna say, I'm throw it out.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
There another fifteen years and I'll make it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, well, congratulations. Before we wrap up, as always, for
the puzzlers at home, we have an extra credit puzzle.
It's a Chris Tucker Jackie Chan movie called Blank Hour.
What is that pair with? What is that pair with?
All right, you'll get the answer next episode, and please
(10:45):
tell your friends. If you like it, tell your friends
they can come puzzle along with you, and we will
meet you here tomorrow for more puzzling puzzles and will
puzzle you puzzlingly.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Tello Puzzlers. This is Greg Pliska. I'm here from the
Puzzle Lab with the extra credit answer from our previous show.
We played a game with Juliana Pache where she had
to come up with the most common clues for a
particular word in a crossword puzzle. The word we chose
was ops ops and here are the top five most
(11:26):
commonly used clues for that word. Number one is photo
blank as in photo ops photo opportunities. Number two is
special blank followed by black blank and in both cases
OPS is short for Operations Special ops and black OPS.
(11:46):
Number four takes us to the world of mythology. The
Wife of Saturn is of course the goddess OPS. And
finally missions for short, which clues operations. That's a lot
of puzzling and I hope you enjoyed it all. We'll
see you again here on the Puzzler podcast. Thanks for
(12:10):
playing along with the team Here at The Puzzler with
Aj Jacobs, I'm Greg Pliska, your chief puzzle Officer. Our
executive producers are Neelie Lohman and Adam Neuhouse of New
House Ideas and Lindsay Hoffman of iHeart Podcasts. The show
is produced by Jody Abragan and Brittany Brown of Roulette Productions,
with production support from Claire Biddegar Curtis. Our associate producer
(12:32):
is Andrea Schoenberg. The Puzzler with Aj Jacobs is a
co production with New House Ideas and is distributed by
The Sattrap Disco. Wooo now rearrange those letters. It's distributed
by iHeart Podcasts. If you want to know more about
puzzling puzzles, please check out the book The Puzzler by
(12:54):
AJ Jacobs, a history of puzzles that The New York
Times called fun and funny. It features an original puzzle
hunt by yours truly, and is available wherever you get
your books and puzzlers. For all your puzzling needs, go
visit the puzzler dot com. See you there,
Hello, Puzzlers, Welcome to the Puzzler Podcast, the drum Solo
in your Grateful Dead Puzzle Show. I'm AJ Jacobs and
today my guest is the wonderful Ted Allen, host of
the Food Channel show Chopped. He has written cookbooks, He
(00:29):
worked with me at Esquire and one of the original
cast members of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Welcome Ted,
Thank you Aj.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We are delighted. And do you remember where you were
when you heard that you had gotten the Queer Eye
gig uh?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't know. I was on vacation in Maine. They
actually ruined multiple vacations, dragging me back in for more callbacks.
But they told they later told told us that they
told Carson and me that we the two of us,
(01:10):
were cast first, probably because we are pretty diametrically opposite. Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
They liked the sort of odd couple thing going on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, and they liked the fact that I was the
only one who wasn't from New York.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Interesting, excellent, Well, it was an amazing show, path breaking,
and in honor of Queer Eye, we are going to
play a puzzle that has sort of a queer pride
theme going on. It's called Chasing the rainbow. So it's
all about the rainbow and the colors of the rainbow.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's one of many things that we gays have ruined,
is the rainbow.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Disagree? I think that you have enhanced it. And the
colors of the rainbow that we're going to be talking
about today are as you might know, had orange, yellow, blue, indigo,
and violet roy gbiv uh oh, I forgot green red.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
If you take if you take a look at the
Pride flag today, it's got way more colors than that
on it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It has really had to expand that. I mean, it's
it's got there's a lot of letters now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right, absolutely. Yeah, it's like when a bee looks at
the world and sees the ultra violet's like a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
All right, So here's the uh, here is the way
this this puzzle works. I'm going to give you a
clue to a word, and you're gonna guess that word.
That's part one. Part two is that word will pair
with a color of the rainbow. So your job is
to figure out the word and then what color it
(02:48):
connects with. So let me give you the example. The
example is, uh, the clume would be another word for
a for young women might be girls. And then that
pairs with which of the colors of the rainbow Indigo
indigo girls. That's a crazy uh. And I started with
(03:10):
indigo because I, according to my rainbow research, which was
one google Uh, indigo is being phased out of the rainbow.
What Yeah, it's it's now basically red, orange, yellow, blue,
and purple. So they sort of took the other violet
and the indigo and and merged them.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to launch a protest. I like that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You are, You're an Indigo fan, all right? So here
is now these are going to be in any The
colors may not start. They're not going to start with
the roidgibiv they you know they I'm going to mix
it up for you, all right. Here we go chasing
the rainbow and uh, all right? Another word for hogi, grinder, hero, spucky,
(04:03):
or wedge. Those last two I'd never heard of.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But I have never heard of those last two either.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh that makes me feel better.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Hogy hero, I mean it's a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, but what kind of sandwich? A HOGI, A grinder,
a hero, It's a long sandwich. It's a yeah, it's
they sell them a subway.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh submarine, submarine.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Okay, that's part one. So what does that parent yellow? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And did you call were you a Hogy, a grinder
or a hero or a spucky or a wedge?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Really sub sub mean to the subs? Yeah, but I'm
as I'm from Ohio. I'm sure people things like hogi
and grinder those have to come from cities like New
York and Philly. And don't you think.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I feel it's Boston always has something like they call
Jimmy's sprinkles. Jimmy, I think that's true. Making that up?
All right? You ready? Uh, all right, here's your next color.
Despite what you see in the movies, Roman emperors would
point this down, not up to spare the life of
a gladiator.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Their sword.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, they're sitting in the they're sitting in. Siskel and
Ebert both had one of these.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh no, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Uh the thumb exactly, I knew you were. Yeah. You
remember when the they do the thumbs up for thumbs
down for killing the gladiator. Well, according to again, it
was for an article in a magazine that I did
on gladiator. According to that old research you would put
down to spare the life up to kill the guy.
(05:53):
So there you go, all right, but we haven't finished.
What color pairs with thumb? What rainbow color pairs with them?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Green, green, exactly? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Again, they don't have I murder plants with the reckless
abandoned all season long. Why it will say on my tombstone,
the gardening will break your heart.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right, good to know we will not hire you
to for our zucchinis or whatever. All right, the minotaur
is half this, The minotaur is half this.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Bull.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yes, and what color pairs well with bull?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Red? Red bull?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Exactly? Red bull? Delicious, red bull? All right, So you're
gonna the queer producers.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The queer producers fed us red bulls constantly, really, which
I refused to participate in because I already knew that
stuff was going to kill you and make your heart explode.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
They just wanted us to stay awake and keep working.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Interesting, What so did you go with espresso or something
a little plassier than red bull?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Is something a little bit less fatal? I don't know what's.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All right? And a disclaimer from all right? Ready for
your next one is a dad joke response to what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Doc?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, No, that's an interesting answer. No, it would be
if you ask some dads what's up, they might point
upwards and say the the sky, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, you've never heard that dad joke when we say,
we'll say what's up?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
No, I'm way too I'm way too cool to know
about that. So the color has to.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Be blue, exactly, blue sky.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Something we in New York would not be familiar with,
at least today. There's no blue up there today.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's true. Gray sky. Yeah, that was not in the rainbow,
the gray. All right. You're getting down to only a
couple of colors left, all right. According to a very
shallow internet search, ninety percent of people have anies of these,
and only ten percent have audies.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, it's belly button, right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But what's another word? What's the fancier word for belly button?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
H it is? Well, let's see, it's also what you
might call the uh oh na. There it is, there
it is.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It can be nothing but nothing, sorry about that, which
could be nothing but orange?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Cool exactly, the nave of orange. All right, there's only
one color left. But I'm going to give it to
you anyway. This is an adjective to describe Angola, Rwanda, Kenya,
and Chad might be the the continent where they might
reside is well, I.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Know the continent is Africa? Is that all do you need?
It was where I thought it was going to be
like East or West or no.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, just uh yeah, no, you're overthinking it. It's Africa.
But as an adjective, it's African. So what pairs with African?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh, violet, there it is.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know you don't have a green thumb, so yeah,
uh well, my.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Mom used to raise African violence and sell them too.
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That is very weird. Well, I don't know. I'm glad.
I bet that's exciting because I bet I'm the first
journalist host to have discovered that fact. And it's all
because we had an African violet clue.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It just definitely you're the first.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We broke that news.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yes, breaking exciting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, thank you, Ted, you did great. Where can people
find more Ted Allen content?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well? Currently, Food Network is probably your best bet, and
I think we air kind of twenty four hours a day.
I am proud to say Chopp is now and it's
fifteenth year and we just finished our nine hundred and
fifty fourth episode, so we might be onto something. I'm
just gonna say, I'm throw it out.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
There another fifteen years and I'll make it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, well, congratulations. Before we wrap up, as always, for
the puzzlers at home, we have an extra credit puzzle.
It's a Chris Tucker Jackie Chan movie called Blank Hour.
What is that pair with? What is that pair with?
All right, you'll get the answer next episode, and please
(10:45):
tell your friends. If you like it, tell your friends
they can come puzzle along with you, and we will
meet you here tomorrow for more puzzling puzzles and will
puzzle you puzzlingly.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Tello Puzzlers. This is Greg Pliska. I'm here from the
Puzzle Lab with the extra credit answer from our previous show.
We played a game with Juliana Pache where she had
to come up with the most common clues for a
particular word in a crossword puzzle. The word we chose
was ops ops and here are the top five most
(11:26):
commonly used clues for that word. Number one is photo
blank as in photo ops photo opportunities. Number two is
special blank followed by black blank and in both cases
OPS is short for Operations Special ops and black OPS.
(11:46):
Number four takes us to the world of mythology. The
Wife of Saturn is of course the goddess OPS. And
finally missions for short, which clues operations. That's a lot
of puzzling and I hope you enjoyed it all. We'll
see you again here on the Puzzler podcast. Thanks for
(12:10):
playing along with the team Here at The Puzzler with
Aj Jacobs, I'm Greg Pliska, your chief puzzle Officer. Our
executive producers are Neelie Lohman and Adam Neuhouse of New
House Ideas and Lindsay Hoffman of iHeart Podcasts. The show
is produced by Jody Abragan and Brittany Brown of Roulette Productions,
with production support from Claire Biddegar Curtis. Our associate producer
(12:32):
is Andrea Schoenberg. The Puzzler with Aj Jacobs is a
co production with New House Ideas and is distributed by
The Sattrap Disco. Wooo now rearrange those letters. It's distributed
by iHeart Podcasts. If you want to know more about
puzzling puzzles, please check out the book The Puzzler by
(12:54):
AJ Jacobs, a history of puzzles that The New York
Times called fun and funny. It features an original puzzle
hunt by yours truly, and is available wherever you get
your books and puzzlers. For all your puzzling needs, go
visit the puzzler dot com. See you there,
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Greg Pliska
A.J. Jacobs
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