October 30, 2024 • 32 mins
Richard Sherman interviews Kansas City Chiefs safety and two-time Super Bowl champion Justin Reid, and the two discuss Kansas City's 7-0 start to the 2024 NFL season, Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo's masterful game planning, and how Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, and Andy Reid have crafted their Super Bowl-winning culture. Justin breaks down his interception off Brock Purdy in Kansas City's Week 7 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, the two commiserate over the sorry state of their alma mater Stanford's play this season, and Richard tells the story of his first child's due date coinciding with the Seattle Seahawks' Super Bowl against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:44):
You don't super Bowl championships. That should always be the expectation,
all right.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Man, ex you go ahead. Welcome to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
And we got an incredible guest, two time Super Bowl
champion in Stanford.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Just appreciate you me on the show. Bro, appreciate you
joining me. Man, It's my pleasure. So how you feeling.
I mean, you leave Houston, you get to Kansas City,
replacing a honey Badger, and then you get two rings
later and yeah, I mean you gotta you gotta just
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feel like it's it's been a blessing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now I feel on top of the world.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Bro To Chasing the Third was a totally different experience
my first two years in Houston. My time in Houston
overall was good and I enjoyed it there. But first
two years are really good. We're a competitive team. Next
two years not so much. Four and twelve two years
in a row. But then to come into an organization
with so much momentum and so much structure, and just
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to be able to be a piece of that and
trying to add my spending, my personality to it as well,
been a ton of fun. It's a ride that is
still going on strong.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And happened to be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, I mean, y'all seven and zero. You have been
in some dogfights of games, you know, And and we
got to talk to Trent McDuffie earlier this season and
he just talked about the culture and nobody ever flinches,
nobody ever like the right.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, there's no like.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Like.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
What's really cool is how close like the actual definition
of team and how much of a team we are
that you know, we have each other's back. Something goes wrong,
We're encouraging the man trying to pick him back up.
We have an earth, we have an injury, we encourage
and get the next man ready. There's no selfishness, there's
no ego. It doesn't matter who gets the stats. What
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matters is just how we can all do our part
to try and help each other succeed. You know, if
I got to take on you know, this block and
grab his attention so that the next man to get
a sack, everybody is on board with doing that, and
it shows up with the way that's Fags causing the defenses,
and uh, you know, it just makes it a lot
more fun to win. The games aren't easy, it never is,
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but honestly, I think will be better for it, because
when situations are tough, and you know, when shit hits
the fan, you got to be ready to handle that,
you know. And uh, I think that we're getting some good,
some valuable work at that and it's going to serve
us in the long run.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Talk about Spags as a DC, you know, I mean
you've been there for two years, dealt with him in
regular season and dealt with them in playoff situations, super
Bowl situations. Just talk about his preparation and his demeanor
because he's he's i mean, arguably the best doing it
right now. And obviously you guys are incredibly prepared every week.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
The ultimate, the ultimate leader, the ultimate mentor the ultimate
man of faith. But really it's his mentorship like he
comes he comes about things from a deeply like educational
and like I'll coach you to do things the right way.
You do it this way, and his defense is going
to work. He spends so much time in the film,
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and he cares about his guys and using guy's strengths
to put him in the right situations. And you know,
he has that effect that legendary coaches in which you
want to do right by them, like you want to
make them proud, you want to do things in a way,
and the vision that he sees things and you just
know it's gonna work. But he pulls guys to the
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side one on one during practice to do individual drills
with each guy or something that he thinks they can
work with.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
He'll pull guys in one on one the meetings.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Over tape, and then the playbook is so deep, by far,
the deepest defensive playbook that I've experienced out of four
different defensive coordinators that you know, he's always going to
throw something new at whoever we're playing every week.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So it's hard for teams to be prepared for it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
No question. I mean when some of the looks, some
of the pressures you guys bring, who's pressuring. I mean
it looks like you guys reset your playbook every single week.
It doesn't look the same week to week. And I
know people have variety, but I mean it almost looks
like totally different schemes at times.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We have twenty different versions of cover zero and that
is not an exaggerate the number. Oh my god, that
is not an exaggerated number. Bro. We like. And then
we have fire zones, we have tangos.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We have half fire zone, half covered twos, cover threes,
cover ones, covered fives, coverages that switch from one cover
to the next, covers with motion or alignments. Coverage checks
on if the quarterback is in gun or if he's
under center. We will check into a blitz, we'll check
out of a blitz. Bro Like, like, every week is
just so different, And I think that the other strength
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is is that we have the guys that can handle
that informational load and get everyone on the same page
that there isn't coverage.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Bus walk me through your interception against San Francisco, because
I still couldn't figure out what y'all we're in now one.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, So that was that was the alternative version of
a cover one to where we we know San France
they run a coverage with with you check and with
Kittle to where they kind of use those guys interchangeably.
One guy might be a fullback one by and be
a tight end. We want to do some things when
we give certain looks that they're an eye formation that
would allow one guy to maybe slough off and be
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like a robber technique. Let the linebackers take him. But
if he stretched out wide, then we'd have a defensive back.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Don't get too much by the way, I don't want.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
To, and we're not We're not going I mean this, yeah,
But anyway, it was an alternative version of a cover one.
We had Tomari Garden, Kittle, b Cook Rolls down from
the two shell. We tried to hold the two show
as much as possible, just not give.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It away to wear one high.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And we knew how the film study and formation recognition
that they were in the ibacks. They liked play action
out of it random play action. I saw George Kloftkiss
have pressure in Brock's face, and what I was taught
actually back for my days with Lovely Smith was if
you're in the post and a quarterback has pressure in
his face, you can dive out of the post. So
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saw that he had pressure in his face. That gave
me the green light that I can dive out of
the post. Saw the over route by Kittle and just
went and robbed it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Boy. I love a coachable player. I love a coachable guy.
I'm sure Spags loves it too. Such an instinctive play,
and that's that's so much of what football comes down to,
because people are like, what coordinator was it? What did
he do? That must have been something crazy, and it's like, no,
Sometimes it's just players making plays, doing what we were
coached to do and sometimes doing what we weren't coached
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to do, and just making it happen anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
They call it a feel for the game. It's a
feel for the game. Just the feel we go to
the sideline. Sometimes the coaches all like, what did y'all
do right there? It's like, don't worry about it. That's
why we play the game, just interception. You wanted that, right,
we'll talk about it in the film room. And what
makes it's so.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Cool too, is like, like, man, I love having smart
players around me, bro, because you're always going to get
something that you, you know, maybe didn't see on tape
or it's a little bit different. And to be able
to fix things on the fly and play off of
each other and still get it done. And then you
come to the sideline you talk about and is like, hey,
that worked, man.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
We can do we can do it that way from
that long right, right, let's do that one again.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah.
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love that. I love that. I love you. Guys just
seem to do a great job developing players too. I
mean even when rookies come in, they'll be sitting there,
some low drafted or undrafted rookie corner or nickel or safety,
and eight are bawling, they getting books, They in the
right spots, they're making plays, and it's just like, no
matter what happens in this defense outside of when Chris
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Jones wasn't there, because it's a whole different defense when
he ain't in there. But yeah, but outside of that,
it just seems like no matter what happens, somebody goes
down twist tank or they bring somebody else in and
they playing that high level, next person, high level, next person,
high level. I was like, god, boys, it does not.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's really training camp, Bro, That's the Andy Re and
Re training camps, because Bro, we hammer it with the
plays like. It was a little bit of a shock
for me my first training camp with them, because of
the sheer volume of running and plays run and the practice.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It'd be well over one hundred plays just on.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
One side of the ball each practice, Bro, and and
and yeah, you got to prepare for it like it's
it's not for the faintal heart, bro, like you're you
are on your you have no choice to be on
your recovery, on the details. And you get a lot
of reps at at which I think allows us to
be multiple in the long run.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
No question, you're the more the more things you see.
I mean, it's more reps is more reps. That's one
thing Harvall said that that I cannot argue with more
and more, and it seems like you don't always need
that much. But he used to split fields ones, ones
and twos offensive defense over here, ones and twos, offensive
defense over here. And we going at the same time
film both we're gonna maximize this and we still practic
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him for three hours.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So just yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Talk about playing with Pat and and and what he's meant.
Obviously everybody sees the stuff that he does on the
field to play the play the game at at a
high level. But you came from the outside into him
in his prime, so I know that had to be
just crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
A couple of things about Pat one is how humble
of a dude that he is in real life.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is not a guy that puts himself on a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He's not a guy that you know, walks around like
he's any better than anyone else, although we know he's
the best player in football, but just a guy that's
very approachable.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Anyone can talk to him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And I think his work ethic and his consistency helped
build the culture of the whole team because when your
best players like that, then everybody else is on the
same page. If Pat's gonna work that hard and be
humble and be willing to do whatever it takes to win,
everybody else doesn't have a choice, but the fall in
line to do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And you know, he's just a gamer.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Bro like it doesn't always have to be pretty, but
he'll find a way to get the job done to
make it work.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, he's been doing that. He's a winner and winners win,
and that's what y'all are continuing to do. I mean
a lot of people would say, you guys are more
of a defensive team now, but it does not change
the fact that he's the best quarterback and best player
in football. Talk about your battles with Travis, because he
had different beats too. He got a lot more wiggle
than you would think for a man his size.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, Bro.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It catches everybody off guard the first time they guard him, Bro,
because like he moved, he'll cut off his inside foot.
He'll do like what he's And this is this is
the part that's not spoken about, Bro. His how smart
he is on the full on the football field, Bro,
because he has the awareness to know that, Hey, I
know what the other guys around me are running these routes,
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and I'm not a guy that's gonna run into being covered.
You know some guys, you know you call a seven route,
They're gonna run that seven rounte even if there's two
defenders sitting out there. But he will sometimes change his
route on the flock, Bro, But he knows not to
get anyone else's lane and he just gets open. And
him in fifteen had that connection and it is impossible
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to guard. But I remember when I was playing with
Houston twenty nineteen playoff game in Kansas City and I
got a formation and I was guarding him, and I
knew it. I knew I seen this play over and
over again. I knew he was doing then out route.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
He did an out pivot on me. And it changed
everything that I bro. It messed up my entire game
plan because I was like, I can't even trust my
film study the whole week because I knew that there
was display and then he just you know, he made
it something else. And I think that's that's the under
the underspoken part about his game, you know. And then
of course the latterers and stuff that always keeps people
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on their toes.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But yeah, and every time on TV they're like, I
think that was designed. That was not design. Ain't nobody designed.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
When drive after the ball, drive after the ball and
he see you open, he might throw it to you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I saw that route I think justin Jefferson ran it
against Gilly where he ran like a whip route and
then whip back out, and I was like, Bro, if
they running routes like this, y'all got it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I'm telling you, Bro, I'm telling you, they getting different.
I just seen a route on the film today. I
think it was who was it? Who was it?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was? Anyway, the route was he ran a curl.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He ran like a Sutter goal, but it was a
it was a curl like a whirlybird worthy bird go
to a second worthly bird go.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was two whorthly birds like he did.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Like you would think it was like a whorlelybird fade
route or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
At the most, it's a worthybird curl route. He did too,
worthy bird, worldly bird.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Babe, Bro, I'm I'm fighting oak. See. I mean, I'm
taking my helmet off walking up into the booth. Were
gonna have to fight because you disrespected me right now?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Bro, mean, I mean somebody somebody got a blitz because
somebody got a blitter quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Bro, we were playing Kansas City, and I'm sure you've
seen it a lot of times down because you're with him.
They ran seven pump curls in the Super Bowl and
never seen it, never seen it before. I've seen seven pumps,
I've seen kite routes. I've never seen a seven pump
curl back down. And of course they running with Tyreek
because he's the one that I'm running. I'm like, we
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incovered too, So I'm like I'm giving some depth to
my safety because I'm like, I'm not about to leave
you one on one with Tyreek. I'm just gonna I'm
gonna play as deep as I can and we'll come
back and rally to everything. And so he runs the seven.
I'm there in the window. He runs the pump. I'm like, hey,
that's over here, that's on you. You gotta run if
you do anything else that will put his foot in
the ground. And came back. I said, Oh, it's different.
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This different, just the whole.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Getting creative bro coaches being the lab.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
They are in the lab, and these offensive lines are
getting away with a lot more holding than they than
they should. But that's the story for a different day.
Because the league wants to quarterbacks protect it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So yeah, it all points, all points on the board.
We get it, get it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, what's going on with our cardinal?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Man? Ah man, you know what?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I went to the S and U game and yeah,
that that that that game was was was a little
bit tough. I mean, they're so injured right now though.
First stringing corners, both of them hurt. Second string corners,
both of the second string corners hurt. Kind of just
feel it for the true freshman guy that got thrown
out there. And you know, they had a game plan
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and executed on it. You know, first first play the game,
RPO slant to the house and it was like, it
just it just didn't get much better from there.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They brought us all out for the TCU game because
Toby was going in the Hall of Fame and you know,
you got me there, luck, you know, all the old guys. Yeah,
and we're just sitting there watching. It was a drubbing
and it just didn't look like they belonged out there
with them.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, And people are like, what's wrong? You know, why
is the ni L affecting as much? I said, it's
the NIL along with a lot of other factors that
were already issues.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I mean, what makes it what makes it so extremely
to aside from the n i L, which you know,
Stanford needs to catch up on and they want to
compete with the big boys.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They gotta, you know, they got to play the game
that's being played right now. But it's also hard.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's just a transfer portal and that Stanford only allows
guys to transfer in if they were already accepted into
the school as an undergraduate, unless you are a going
to graduate school. So I mean they kind of get
hit twice because the NIO on the first place, and
guys are leaving and you can't get talent back in
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because they weren't already approved. Its just it's it's a
it's a it's a recipe that needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Right, and they're not gonna fix it because they don't
care enough to fix it. And we could call them
Bernard and do everything we can. They're like, hey, why
don't you get back involved because Andrew's running the collective
now and doing the nil stuff. And they're like, hey,
they want to give them money. People are donating a
lot of money, but they want to give it to football.
But you know, the a decent spread it evenly. And
you know, Stanford, we're gonna do things fairly. The rest
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of the world ain't doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Fair and yeah, yeah yeah, And you know you put
yourself and you put yourself in a box and it's
gonna be hard to keep up.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah it is, it is. But when is your when
is your little one supposed to be here?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
So baby girl in the way, it should be here
late January, early February. Uh, super excited about that. I
can't wait to welcome her. And I actually have my
ten nieces and few so I'm used to kids and
wait a minute, yeah, this is this would be my
first So if.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That math is right, you're gonna have a problem that
I head.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, tell me about it. What's that?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So we were we were facing the Patriots in the
Super Bowl, our second one, and my son was due
game day. It was due game day, and so we
were in Arizona. I had we had to go to hospital,
well get hospitals and everybody ready, had to have an
ambulance standing by and everything. My wife was like, we're
going to the game. Like, I'm not missing this. We
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didn't do all this just for you to get here
and not go to the game. And but what about
all right? You know, as you know, you happy wife,
happy life or whatever they say. And so she held
him in there and and we played the game and
we lost that last second game and we get on
the plane and she's, well she gets on the plane
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because family got a plane. She's like, I have cramps.
I'm thankfully it was a short flight. He came a
day later.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Wow. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
The only the only positive is that, you know, super
bowls in New Orleans, so home state, have a lot
of family that's there, so there is a lot of
support there already.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So that's the one thing that makes it a little
bit easier. But yeah, you mean you can't. You can't.
You just got to do what you gotta do in
those situations.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'm telling you to put some things in place. You
might want to make some you know, just in case
phone calls in those playoffs and well, you know, not
to jinx anything or predict anything. But if if things
are going the way you expect, just get ahead of
it because you don't want to run into a situation.
You've sitting there focused on that during that week, and
that's what you end up doing because that's the most
important thing. You didn't want to super Bowls. You you
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ain't never had a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah yeah, watch right right right right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right, And we don't do nothing. We do the easy part,
as they say, just be the biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You got doing great.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
If you can possibly be there though, in that room
with her, make sure you're there now you know the
game and everything else. She gonna want to come. And
I'm sure you and your wife have have the same
relationships to the game that me and mine had. But
if you can be in that room with her, boy,
it means something means So did you watch I pulled
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him out? I pulled both of them out, and so
I got kind of tricked into it. I got too
But it's great now, you know, in the end, i'd
just be like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Ad of story. That's more hell of a story.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So we had a midwife and you know, we're at
the hospital and everything. We're not doing a home birth
or anything, but the midwife's there. My wife had just
got the epidural and the potocin, you know, which helps
the contractions and everything else everything get going, and so
I'm like helping, you know what I mean. She's like, hey, could.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You do this?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Did you do this? I'm running around like what else
can I do? And she's like all right, I can
see hair, like the hair is coming out. And I'm like, okay,
like what do you need me to you know what
I mean? What do you want me to back you up?
I'm backing up and she's like, yeah, yeah, just stand
next to me. And then she was like you see
the hair and I was like yeah. She was like
just put your hand right here and hold this for me.
I'm like wait a minute. So I'm holding and she's like, yeah,
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now just work the head out a little bit. And
I'm like, wait a minute and she started backing up.
I'm like, oh no, no, I'm in it now.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So I walked out at his shoulders popped out and
then he was in my hands. Yeah, and it was
that was what it was. And then it felt cool
because I was the first person to see him. And
then I gave him to his mama and he got
to you know, start eating, and they cut the umbilical cord.
But after that, for my daughter, it was kind of
like I had.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
To yeah, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's cool though, that's actually that's actually pretty cool on
her part that she set you up like that to
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was really cool. It was
a little you know how it locked me straight into
game mode though, like I immediately went locky.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They say, hey, don't drop that football, not.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
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got the questions for me. I feel like we never
get to talk, you know, we always running through and transition.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Nah, man, I mean two quick ones.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I guess there's a little bit life on the other side,
Like what was that first year, like transitioning out on
how did you, I guess fill up your time because
football consumes so much time of our daily lives. I
mean we going six days a week, and then how
you kind of fill that in? And then secondly, I
don't know if you play chess or not, though we
got if you play, we need to get a game in.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Man, We're gonna exchange numbers and I'm a game pitchon
you a chess game. But that's the hardest part. And
you'll hear this from every single person that got out
of the game. Isn't like, isn't missing a game? I
don't think you know what I mean, everybody misses it.
It's just something you've done your whole life. But it's
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the structure. It's the lack of structure, the lack of routine,
the lack of schedule. And so if you get out
the game and you have a plan and say you
want to go into real estate, and you're like, hey,
from twelve to two, I'm going to be you know,
researching houses, and then from two to four I'm gonna
be working out. And then you set up a routine
(25:28):
or you go work a job and they set up
a schedule for you. But people's brains for some reason
in are feel getting chaotic without it because you've had
it for so long. You knew what the time you
had to live, what time you had to be at class,
what time you had to work out, what time you.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Had tote about the food part of it too, because
you know, it's kind of nice that they did breakfast, lunch,
and dinner and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
No question question. Yeah, I mean that's a big part
of it. It's just going into the facility and you
just got everything. You know, you get to work out,
you get the training room, you got you know, and
you've got a lot of random machines. I got a
lot of like I got a hyperbaric chamber in there,
and I'm like, what am I going to use this
for now? Like I use this. I feel like I
got my use out of it. But I got like
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three normal texts and the game ready, Like I was
way too prepared. But but it's just a structure. So
when I was when I was starting to, you know,
get to the tail end, and I felt like my
body was kind of breaking down more than I would like.
I started talking to companies, I went to the broadcast
boot camp and you know, got a chance to learn
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and experience what it feels like to call the game
and just get coached up and critique. But a lot
of the executives from NBC, CBS, the television networks, and
of course Amazon were there. So I started to talk
to Amazon probably two years before they even had a game,
and so I had that in place, you know, at
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least that opportunity to potentially be on that desk in
place before I was done playing. So when I was
done playing, it was you know, going and really doing it. Yeah,
And it was something I was nervous about because I
had never done it. And you know, thankfully we had
Whitworth and Fits who also were first year, first year
out and never done it. So we kind of like
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just formed by exactly like we don't know what we're doing,
so let's just get up there and do it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And I think that's works part of it too, though,
you keep it organic and you know people can feel
that yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, and that's what I would I would say, if
you have something you're really passionate about and that you
feel like, after the game is done, you really want
to pursue them, start pursuing it, you know, and not
that their career is going to end anytime soon, but
it just gives you peace of mind that you have
something to lean on when you're done, you know what
I mean, because there is anxiety and the unknown.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Mm hmm. Yeah, And that's actually something to my echo.
What you just said is now is actually some some
of my older brother Eric said tell me and that
you know, young guys in the league first, second, some
even third year players, you know, take care of what's
important right now, that's football, keep bread on the table,
all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But once you start.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I wouldn't say getting comfortable, but when you start like
knowing the game and you start knowing concepts and maybe
you have you use your time a little bit better
be where you have some extra time to start trying
to build for what's next, because you know, I'll watch
my older brother go through it, and it is so much
easier to meet people as a clearrent player than it
is as a former player, you know what I mean.
(28:31):
So just trying to do that, but it's still like
it's still unknown. No, once you're actually at that point,
what it's like to actually go through you know.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And the things that you've done matter, Like, you're two
times super Bowl champion right now, potentially three times, you know,
and and so that stuff matters. And sometimes you're like, man,
I don't want to use all that. Why not? It's
not something you was given to you. I mean, it
was earned. So maximize the value of the things that
you earned. And I think some people just just get
(29:02):
so caught up and uh, I don't know, I don't
want to do all that. Well, then what was the
point of winning it? If I can't walk around with
the title and feel good about it. I can't wear
the rings and let them benefit me and get me
indoors that I might not have cold, might not have
gotten into without them, get me speaking engagements that I
might not have gotten without two rings. Because now I
know how to be a champion. And no matter what,
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winning and winning culture translates throughout every industry.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, everybody wants a piece of it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Everybody wants to know what the formula was, what what?
What made a tick? And you're a smart enough human being,
obviously a Stanford man to be able to art circulate.
We should have got your brother too, But that's a
story for a different day.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's closed draft day.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Harball actually said, Wow, you know I didn't get you
in college, but you don't have a choice.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Now, we don't got a dang choice. We should have
had you, We could have had something special. Eric. No,
that's that's that's that's been my ted talk. But yeah, man,
I really challenge you to to and and whoever runs
your marketing or helps with you getting opportunities, say you
(30:13):
want speaking engagements because they want to hear. And the
more you do it, the more people are gonna want
to do here, you do it because it really helps
these companies, especially startups. I've spoken in so many startups
and they're like, how do we build a good culture?
And for us, it's it's so routine and regimen. It's
the things you said. It's the selflessness, it's the lack
of ego, it's the you know, whatever it takes to
(30:35):
win kind of ordeal that they just don't They don't know.
They never played team sports.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Mm hm that makes sense. Yeah, they're gonna get on.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That, right, got it, got to it. It's a lot
of money in that. What's the other question?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Uh? Them? Both of them first one was a chess one.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, we're gonna get to that. Chess. But but I've
always been a big fan of you, and I'm so
proud of of everything you've been able to do and
proud of you winning, you know, not as happy as
you've beaten r niners in a super Bowl, but you
know what I mean. And I was like, God, like
it just you know what I mean? You got one?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, well no, it's all mine.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's mine again, Hey give one? Yeah, but uh, but
it's been an incredible journey and I'm happy for you.
A perfect fit and the perfect system, and I wish
you nothing but more success.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I'll love and respect my brother. Appreciate you, Bro, appreciate
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Speaker 2 (01:44):
You don't super Bowl championships. That should always be the expectation,
all right.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Man, ex you go ahead. Welcome to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
And we got an incredible guest, two time Super Bowl
champion in Stanford.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Just appreciate you me on the show. Bro, appreciate you
joining me. Man, It's my pleasure. So how you feeling.
I mean, you leave Houston, you get to Kansas City,
replacing a honey Badger, and then you get two rings
later and yeah, I mean you gotta you gotta just
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feel like it's it's been a blessing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now I feel on top of the world.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Bro To Chasing the Third was a totally different experience
my first two years in Houston. My time in Houston
overall was good and I enjoyed it there. But first
two years are really good. We're a competitive team. Next
two years not so much. Four and twelve two years
in a row. But then to come into an organization
with so much momentum and so much structure, and just
(02:47):
to be able to be a piece of that and
trying to add my spending, my personality to it as well,
been a ton of fun. It's a ride that is
still going on strong.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And happened to be a part of it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, I mean, y'all seven and zero. You have been
in some dogfights of games, you know, And and we
got to talk to Trent McDuffie earlier this season and
he just talked about the culture and nobody ever flinches,
nobody ever like the right.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, there's no like.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Like.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
What's really cool is how close like the actual definition
of team and how much of a team we are
that you know, we have each other's back. Something goes wrong,
We're encouraging the man trying to pick him back up.
We have an earth, we have an injury, we encourage
and get the next man ready. There's no selfishness, there's
no ego. It doesn't matter who gets the stats. What
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matters is just how we can all do our part
to try and help each other succeed. You know, if
I got to take on you know, this block and
grab his attention so that the next man to get
a sack, everybody is on board with doing that, and
it shows up with the way that's Fags causing the defenses,
and uh, you know, it just makes it a lot
more fun to win. The games aren't easy, it never is,
(03:59):
but honestly, I think will be better for it, because
when situations are tough, and you know, when shit hits
the fan, you got to be ready to handle that,
you know. And uh, I think that we're getting some good,
some valuable work at that and it's going to serve
us in the long run.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Talk about Spags as a DC, you know, I mean
you've been there for two years, dealt with him in
regular season and dealt with them in playoff situations, super
Bowl situations. Just talk about his preparation and his demeanor
because he's he's i mean, arguably the best doing it
right now. And obviously you guys are incredibly prepared every week.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
The ultimate, the ultimate leader, the ultimate mentor the ultimate
man of faith. But really it's his mentorship like he
comes he comes about things from a deeply like educational
and like I'll coach you to do things the right way.
You do it this way, and his defense is going
to work. He spends so much time in the film,
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and he cares about his guys and using guy's strengths
to put him in the right situations. And you know,
he has that effect that legendary coaches in which you
want to do right by them, like you want to
make them proud, you want to do things in a way,
and the vision that he sees things and you just
know it's gonna work. But he pulls guys to the
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side one on one during practice to do individual drills
with each guy or something that he thinks they can
work with.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
He'll pull guys in one on one the meetings.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Over tape, and then the playbook is so deep, by far,
the deepest defensive playbook that I've experienced out of four
different defensive coordinators that you know, he's always going to
throw something new at whoever we're playing every week.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So it's hard for teams to be prepared for it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
No question. I mean when some of the looks, some
of the pressures you guys bring, who's pressuring. I mean
it looks like you guys reset your playbook every single week.
It doesn't look the same week to week. And I
know people have variety, but I mean it almost looks
like totally different schemes at times.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We have twenty different versions of cover zero and that
is not an exaggerate the number. Oh my god, that
is not an exaggerated number. Bro. We like. And then
we have fire zones, we have tangos.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
We have half fire zone, half covered twos, cover threes,
cover ones, covered fives, coverages that switch from one cover
to the next, covers with motion or alignments. Coverage checks
on if the quarterback is in gun or if he's
under center. We will check into a blitz, we'll check
out of a blitz. Bro Like, like, every week is
just so different, And I think that the other strength
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is is that we have the guys that can handle
that informational load and get everyone on the same page
that there isn't coverage.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Bus walk me through your interception against San Francisco, because
I still couldn't figure out what y'all we're in now one.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, So that was that was the alternative version of
a cover one to where we we know San France
they run a coverage with with you check and with
Kittle to where they kind of use those guys interchangeably.
One guy might be a fullback one by and be
a tight end. We want to do some things when
we give certain looks that they're an eye formation that
would allow one guy to maybe slough off and be
(07:05):
like a robber technique. Let the linebackers take him. But
if he stretched out wide, then we'd have a defensive back.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Don't get too much by the way, I don't want.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
To, and we're not We're not going I mean this, yeah,
But anyway, it was an alternative version of a cover one.
We had Tomari Garden, Kittle, b Cook Rolls down from
the two shell. We tried to hold the two show
as much as possible, just not give.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It away to wear one high.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And we knew how the film study and formation recognition
that they were in the ibacks. They liked play action
out of it random play action. I saw George Kloftkiss
have pressure in Brock's face, and what I was taught
actually back for my days with Lovely Smith was if
you're in the post and a quarterback has pressure in
his face, you can dive out of the post. So
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saw that he had pressure in his face. That gave
me the green light that I can dive out of
the post. Saw the over route by Kittle and just
went and robbed it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Boy. I love a coachable player. I love a coachable guy.
I'm sure Spags loves it too. Such an instinctive play,
and that's that's so much of what football comes down to,
because people are like, what coordinator was it? What did
he do? That must have been something crazy, and it's like, no,
Sometimes it's just players making plays, doing what we were
coached to do and sometimes doing what we weren't coached
(08:16):
to do, and just making it happen anyway.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
They call it a feel for the game. It's a
feel for the game. Just the feel we go to
the sideline. Sometimes the coaches all like, what did y'all
do right there? It's like, don't worry about it. That's
why we play the game, just interception. You wanted that, right,
we'll talk about it in the film room. And what
makes it's so.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Cool too, is like, like, man, I love having smart
players around me, bro, because you're always going to get
something that you, you know, maybe didn't see on tape
or it's a little bit different. And to be able
to fix things on the fly and play off of
each other and still get it done. And then you
come to the sideline you talk about and is like, hey,
that worked, man.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
We can do we can do it that way from
that long right, right, let's do that one again.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
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love that. I love that. I love you. Guys just
seem to do a great job developing players too. I
mean even when rookies come in, they'll be sitting there,
some low drafted or undrafted rookie corner or nickel or safety,
and eight are bawling, they getting books, They in the
right spots, they're making plays, and it's just like, no
matter what happens in this defense outside of when Chris
(10:02):
Jones wasn't there, because it's a whole different defense when
he ain't in there. But yeah, but outside of that,
it just seems like no matter what happens, somebody goes
down twist tank or they bring somebody else in and
they playing that high level, next person, high level, next person,
high level. I was like, god, boys, it does not.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's really training camp, Bro, That's the Andy Re and
Re training camps, because Bro, we hammer it with the
plays like. It was a little bit of a shock
for me my first training camp with them, because of
the sheer volume of running and plays run and the practice.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It'd be well over one hundred plays just on.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
One side of the ball each practice, Bro, and and
and yeah, you got to prepare for it like it's
it's not for the faintal heart, bro, like you're you
are on your you have no choice to be on
your recovery, on the details. And you get a lot
of reps at at which I think allows us to
be multiple in the long run.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
No question, you're the more the more things you see.
I mean, it's more reps is more reps. That's one
thing Harvall said that that I cannot argue with more
and more, and it seems like you don't always need
that much. But he used to split fields ones, ones
and twos offensive defense over here, ones and twos, offensive
defense over here. And we going at the same time
film both we're gonna maximize this and we still practic
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him for three hours.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So just yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Talk about playing with Pat and and and what he's meant.
Obviously everybody sees the stuff that he does on the
field to play the play the game at at a
high level. But you came from the outside into him
in his prime, so I know that had to be
just crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
A couple of things about Pat one is how humble
of a dude that he is in real life.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He is not a guy that puts himself on a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He's not a guy that you know, walks around like
he's any better than anyone else, although we know he's
the best player in football, but just a guy that's
very approachable.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Anyone can talk to him.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And I think his work ethic and his consistency helped
build the culture of the whole team because when your
best players like that, then everybody else is on the
same page. If Pat's gonna work that hard and be
humble and be willing to do whatever it takes to win,
everybody else doesn't have a choice, but the fall in
line to do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And you know, he's just a gamer.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Bro like it doesn't always have to be pretty, but
he'll find a way to get the job done to
make it work.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, he's been doing that. He's a winner and winners win,
and that's what y'all are continuing to do. I mean
a lot of people would say, you guys are more
of a defensive team now, but it does not change
the fact that he's the best quarterback and best player
in football. Talk about your battles with Travis, because he
had different beats too. He got a lot more wiggle
than you would think for a man his size.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, Bro.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
It catches everybody off guard the first time they guard him, Bro,
because like he moved, he'll cut off his inside foot.
He'll do like what he's And this is this is
the part that's not spoken about, Bro. His how smart
he is on the full on the football field, Bro,
because he has the awareness to know that, Hey, I
know what the other guys around me are running these routes,
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and I'm not a guy that's gonna run into being covered.
You know some guys, you know you call a seven route,
They're gonna run that seven rounte even if there's two
defenders sitting out there. But he will sometimes change his
route on the flock, Bro, But he knows not to
get anyone else's lane and he just gets open. And
him in fifteen had that connection and it is impossible
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to guard. But I remember when I was playing with
Houston twenty nineteen playoff game in Kansas City and I
got a formation and I was guarding him, and I
knew it. I knew I seen this play over and
over again. I knew he was doing then out route.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
He did an out pivot on me. And it changed
everything that I bro. It messed up my entire game
plan because I was like, I can't even trust my
film study the whole week because I knew that there
was display and then he just you know, he made
it something else. And I think that's that's the under
the underspoken part about his game, you know. And then
of course the latterers and stuff that always keeps people
(13:53):
on their toes.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But yeah, and every time on TV they're like, I
think that was designed. That was not design. Ain't nobody designed.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
When drive after the ball, drive after the ball and
he see you open, he might throw it to you.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I saw that route I think justin Jefferson ran it
against Gilly where he ran like a whip route and
then whip back out, and I was like, Bro, if
they running routes like this, y'all got it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I'm telling you, Bro, I'm telling you, they getting different.
I just seen a route on the film today. I
think it was who was it? Who was it?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was? Anyway, the route was he ran a curl.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He ran like a Sutter goal, but it was a
it was a curl like a whirlybird worthy bird go
to a second worthly bird go.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was two whorthly birds like he did.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Like you would think it was like a whorlelybird fade
route or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
At the most, it's a worthybird curl route. He did too,
worthy bird, worldly bird.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Babe, Bro, I'm I'm fighting oak. See. I mean, I'm
taking my helmet off walking up into the booth. Were
gonna have to fight because you disrespected me right now?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Bro, mean, I mean somebody somebody got a blitz because
somebody got a blitter quarterback.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Bro, we were playing Kansas City, and I'm sure you've
seen it a lot of times down because you're with him.
They ran seven pump curls in the Super Bowl and
never seen it, never seen it before. I've seen seven pumps,
I've seen kite routes. I've never seen a seven pump
curl back down. And of course they running with Tyreek
because he's the one that I'm running. I'm like, we
(15:37):
incovered too, So I'm like I'm giving some depth to
my safety because I'm like, I'm not about to leave
you one on one with Tyreek. I'm just gonna I'm
gonna play as deep as I can and we'll come
back and rally to everything. And so he runs the seven.
I'm there in the window. He runs the pump. I'm like, hey,
that's over here, that's on you. You gotta run if
you do anything else that will put his foot in
the ground. And came back. I said, Oh, it's different.
(15:58):
This different, just the whole.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Getting creative bro coaches being the lab.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
They are in the lab, and these offensive lines are
getting away with a lot more holding than they than
they should. But that's the story for a different day.
Because the league wants to quarterbacks protect it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So yeah, it all points, all points on the board.
We get it, get it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, what's going on with our cardinal?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Man? Ah man, you know what?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I went to the S and U game and yeah,
that that that that game was was was a little
bit tough. I mean, they're so injured right now though.
First stringing corners, both of them hurt. Second string corners,
both of the second string corners hurt. Kind of just
feel it for the true freshman guy that got thrown
out there. And you know, they had a game plan
(16:48):
and executed on it. You know, first first play the game,
RPO slant to the house and it was like, it
just it just didn't get much better from there.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
They brought us all out for the TCU game because
Toby was going in the Hall of Fame and you know,
you got me there, luck, you know, all the old guys. Yeah,
and we're just sitting there watching. It was a drubbing
and it just didn't look like they belonged out there
with them.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, And people are like, what's wrong? You know, why
is the ni L affecting as much? I said, it's
the NIL along with a lot of other factors that
were already issues.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I mean, what makes it what makes it so extremely
to aside from the n i L, which you know,
Stanford needs to catch up on and they want to
compete with the big boys.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
They gotta, you know, they got to play the game
that's being played right now. But it's also hard.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It's just a transfer portal and that Stanford only allows
guys to transfer in if they were already accepted into
the school as an undergraduate, unless you are a going
to graduate school. So I mean they kind of get
hit twice because the NIO on the first place, and
guys are leaving and you can't get talent back in
(17:53):
because they weren't already approved. Its just it's it's a
it's a it's a recipe that needs to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Right, and they're not gonna fix it because they don't
care enough to fix it. And we could call them
Bernard and do everything we can. They're like, hey, why
don't you get back involved because Andrew's running the collective
now and doing the nil stuff. And they're like, hey,
they want to give them money. People are donating a
lot of money, but they want to give it to football.
But you know, the a decent spread it evenly. And
you know, Stanford, we're gonna do things fairly. The rest
(18:25):
of the world ain't doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Fair and yeah, yeah yeah, And you know you put
yourself and you put yourself in a box and it's
gonna be hard to keep up.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah it is, it is. But when is your when
is your little one supposed to be here?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
So baby girl in the way, it should be here
late January, early February. Uh, super excited about that. I
can't wait to welcome her. And I actually have my
ten nieces and few so I'm used to kids and
wait a minute, yeah, this is this would be my
first So if.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That math is right, you're gonna have a problem that
I head.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, tell me about it. What's that?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So we were we were facing the Patriots in the
Super Bowl, our second one, and my son was due
game day. It was due game day, and so we
were in Arizona. I had we had to go to hospital,
well get hospitals and everybody ready, had to have an
ambulance standing by and everything. My wife was like, we're
going to the game. Like, I'm not missing this. We
(19:25):
didn't do all this just for you to get here
and not go to the game. And but what about
all right? You know, as you know, you happy wife,
happy life or whatever they say. And so she held
him in there and and we played the game and
we lost that last second game and we get on
the plane and she's, well she gets on the plane
(19:45):
because family got a plane. She's like, I have cramps.
I'm thankfully it was a short flight. He came a
day later.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Wow. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
The only the only positive is that, you know, super
bowls in New Orleans, so home state, have a lot
of family that's there, so there is a lot of
support there already.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So that's the one thing that makes it a little
bit easier. But yeah, you mean you can't. You can't.
You just got to do what you gotta do in
those situations.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'm telling you to put some things in place. You
might want to make some you know, just in case
phone calls in those playoffs and well, you know, not
to jinx anything or predict anything. But if if things
are going the way you expect, just get ahead of
it because you don't want to run into a situation.
You've sitting there focused on that during that week, and
that's what you end up doing because that's the most
important thing. You didn't want to super Bowls. You you
(20:31):
ain't never had a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah yeah, watch right right right right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right, And we don't do nothing. We do the easy part,
as they say, just be the biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
You got doing great.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
If you can possibly be there though, in that room
with her, make sure you're there now you know the
game and everything else. She gonna want to come. And
I'm sure you and your wife have have the same
relationships to the game that me and mine had. But
if you can be in that room with her, boy,
it means something means So did you watch I pulled
(21:07):
him out? I pulled both of them out, and so
I got kind of tricked into it. I got too
But it's great now, you know, in the end, i'd
just be like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Ad of story. That's more hell of a story.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So we had a midwife and you know, we're at
the hospital and everything. We're not doing a home birth
or anything, but the midwife's there. My wife had just
got the epidural and the potocin, you know, which helps
the contractions and everything else everything get going, and so
I'm like helping, you know what I mean. She's like, hey, could.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You do this?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Did you do this? I'm running around like what else
can I do? And she's like all right, I can
see hair, like the hair is coming out. And I'm like, okay,
like what do you need me to you know what
I mean? What do you want me to back you up?
I'm backing up and she's like, yeah, yeah, just stand
next to me. And then she was like you see
the hair and I was like yeah. She was like
just put your hand right here and hold this for me.
I'm like wait a minute. So I'm holding and she's like, yeah,
(22:00):
now just work the head out a little bit. And
I'm like, wait a minute and she started backing up.
I'm like, oh no, no, I'm in it now.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So I walked out at his shoulders popped out and
then he was in my hands. Yeah, and it was
that was what it was. And then it felt cool
because I was the first person to see him. And
then I gave him to his mama and he got
to you know, start eating, and they cut the umbilical cord.
But after that, for my daughter, it was kind of
like I had.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
To yeah, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
That's cool though, that's actually that's actually pretty cool on
her part that she set you up like that to
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was really cool. It was
a little you know how it locked me straight into
game mode though, like I immediately went locky.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They say, hey, don't drop that football, not.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
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(24:16):
got the questions for me. I feel like we never
get to talk, you know, we always running through and transition.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Nah, man, I mean two quick ones.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I guess there's a little bit life on the other side,
Like what was that first year, like transitioning out on
how did you, I guess fill up your time because
football consumes so much time of our daily lives. I
mean we going six days a week, and then how
you kind of fill that in? And then secondly, I
don't know if you play chess or not, though we
got if you play, we need to get a game in.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Man, We're gonna exchange numbers and I'm a game pitchon
you a chess game. But that's the hardest part. And
you'll hear this from every single person that got out
of the game. Isn't like, isn't missing a game? I
don't think you know what I mean, everybody misses it.
It's just something you've done your whole life. But it's
(25:06):
the structure. It's the lack of structure, the lack of routine,
the lack of schedule. And so if you get out
the game and you have a plan and say you
want to go into real estate, and you're like, hey,
from twelve to two, I'm going to be you know,
researching houses, and then from two to four I'm gonna
be working out. And then you set up a routine
(25:28):
or you go work a job and they set up
a schedule for you. But people's brains for some reason
in are feel getting chaotic without it because you've had
it for so long. You knew what the time you
had to live, what time you had to be at class,
what time you had to work out, what time you.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Had tote about the food part of it too, because
you know, it's kind of nice that they did breakfast, lunch,
and dinner and you know.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
No question question. Yeah, I mean that's a big part
of it. It's just going into the facility and you
just got everything. You know, you get to work out,
you get the training room, you got you know, and
you've got a lot of random machines. I got a
lot of like I got a hyperbaric chamber in there,
and I'm like, what am I going to use this
for now? Like I use this. I feel like I
got my use out of it. But I got like
(26:09):
three normal texts and the game ready, Like I was
way too prepared. But but it's just a structure. So
when I was when I was starting to, you know,
get to the tail end, and I felt like my
body was kind of breaking down more than I would like.
I started talking to companies, I went to the broadcast
boot camp and you know, got a chance to learn
(26:30):
and experience what it feels like to call the game
and just get coached up and critique. But a lot
of the executives from NBC, CBS, the television networks, and
of course Amazon were there. So I started to talk
to Amazon probably two years before they even had a game,
and so I had that in place, you know, at
(26:52):
least that opportunity to potentially be on that desk in
place before I was done playing. So when I was
done playing, it was you know, going and really doing it. Yeah,
And it was something I was nervous about because I
had never done it. And you know, thankfully we had
Whitworth and Fits who also were first year, first year
out and never done it. So we kind of like
(27:14):
just formed by exactly like we don't know what we're doing,
so let's just get up there and do it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
And I think that's works part of it too, though,
you keep it organic and you know people can feel
that yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, and that's what I would I would say, if
you have something you're really passionate about and that you
feel like, after the game is done, you really want
to pursue them, start pursuing it, you know, and not
that their career is going to end anytime soon, but
it just gives you peace of mind that you have
something to lean on when you're done, you know what
I mean, because there is anxiety and the unknown.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Mm hmm. Yeah, And that's actually something to my echo.
What you just said is now is actually some some
of my older brother Eric said tell me and that
you know, young guys in the league first, second, some
even third year players, you know, take care of what's
important right now, that's football, keep bread on the table,
all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But once you start.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I wouldn't say getting comfortable, but when you start like
knowing the game and you start knowing concepts and maybe
you have you use your time a little bit better
be where you have some extra time to start trying
to build for what's next, because you know, I'll watch
my older brother go through it, and it is so much
easier to meet people as a clearrent player than it
is as a former player, you know what I mean.
(28:31):
So just trying to do that, but it's still like
it's still unknown. No, once you're actually at that point,
what it's like to actually go through you know.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And the things that you've done matter, Like, you're two
times super Bowl champion right now, potentially three times, you know,
and and so that stuff matters. And sometimes you're like, man,
I don't want to use all that. Why not? It's
not something you was given to you. I mean, it
was earned. So maximize the value of the things that
you earned. And I think some people just just get
(29:02):
so caught up and uh, I don't know, I don't
want to do all that. Well, then what was the
point of winning it? If I can't walk around with
the title and feel good about it. I can't wear
the rings and let them benefit me and get me
indoors that I might not have cold, might not have
gotten into without them, get me speaking engagements that I
might not have gotten without two rings. Because now I
know how to be a champion. And no matter what,
(29:25):
winning and winning culture translates throughout every industry.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, everybody wants a piece of it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Everybody wants to know what the formula was, what what?
What made a tick? And you're a smart enough human being,
obviously a Stanford man to be able to art circulate.
We should have got your brother too, But that's a
story for a different day.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's closed draft day.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Harball actually said, Wow, you know I didn't get you
in college, but you don't have a choice.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Now, we don't got a dang choice. We should have
had you, We could have had something special. Eric. No,
that's that's that's that's been my ted talk. But yeah, man,
I really challenge you to to and and whoever runs
your marketing or helps with you getting opportunities, say you
(30:13):
want speaking engagements because they want to hear. And the
more you do it, the more people are gonna want
to do here, you do it because it really helps
these companies, especially startups. I've spoken in so many startups
and they're like, how do we build a good culture?
And for us, it's it's so routine and regimen. It's
the things you said. It's the selflessness, it's the lack
of ego, it's the you know, whatever it takes to
(30:35):
win kind of ordeal that they just don't They don't know.
They never played team sports.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Mm hm that makes sense. Yeah, they're gonna get on.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That, right, got it, got to it. It's a lot
of money in that. What's the other question?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Uh? Them? Both of them first one was a chess one.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, we're gonna get to that. Chess. But but I've
always been a big fan of you, and I'm so
proud of of everything you've been able to do and
proud of you winning, you know, not as happy as
you've beaten r niners in a super Bowl, but you
know what I mean. And I was like, God, like
it just you know what I mean? You got one?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, well no, it's all mine.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's mine again, Hey give one? Yeah, but uh, but
it's been an incredible journey and I'm happy for you.
A perfect fit and the perfect system, and I wish
you nothing but more success.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I'll love and respect my brother. Appreciate you, Bro, appreciate
you the volume
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