Episode 10: The Other Side of the Coin

Gigi recounts the con from her point of view, revealing why Juan was always part of the plan.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
The setup, Episode ten, The other side of the coin.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Another Martini miss to olives and ice cold this time,
Oh right away.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ice cold. I want frostbite on my tongue by the
time we land in Paris.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh as cold? Yes, miss, Oh.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
My goodness, Oh no, is it me?

Speaker 6 (00:37):
Am?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
I the drama?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hello listeners, Gigi here, and that's right, I'm talking directly
to you.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Why you ask well?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
In therapy speak, this is the point in the story
where I'd advise my client to consider putting yourself in
the other Poston's shoes.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
M try seeing the other side of the coin.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So before the Juan and Fernando side of the proverbial
coin gets a little too shiny for my taste, I
thought it was about time for me to chime in.
Turvy lens feels appropriate if I do say so myself,
especially as we journey back to the rocky beginnings of
my story. You see, my con began months before Juan

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and Fernan, those prissy little paths ever crossed, before late
night Brooklyn raves and trips to the Hudson Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You were Martini, miss ask cold with a twist lemon?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Did you say I believe I asked for. Oh my,
yes you did.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I'll be right back with that. Miss. I do apologize.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Olives are two for one today. Done you want me
to run and grab you another draw?

Speaker 7 (02:01):
Oh g yeah, you're too kind to an old woman,
but I only need one. My twig of her grandson
is the only one who eats them.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Oh yeah, you better feed that boy. You're a castrillo.
What's his name again, Juan?

Speaker 7 (02:14):
He's a good boy, a little child, but we're working
on it.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
When he ain't got no mama, that's a story for
another time. Dear, his parents are real.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
They're not a part of his life anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
It's for the best, Believe me. You don't gotta tell me.
Castillo families are complicated.

Speaker 8 (02:35):
You have no idea.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
The olives are on me.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Oh gee, gottas, yes, what would I do without you here?
Every week?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
In fact, my shift is just about me over. You
need some help carrying these bags up to your place?

Speaker 7 (02:51):
I see God, ass Yes, what an angel you are.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Anyone who claims to be an extrovert has never worked
a register at a Manhattan grocery store. The three weeks
I spent buttering up that clueless old lady were the
hardest con of my career.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
Gats, Yes, you can leave those there, Aki, okay, thank
you again for your help. Gia, my niece aren't what
they used to be. Can I make you a cafecito
Gras Castillo, You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
There are three hundred and fifty three thousand, seven hundred
and sixty six Juans in the United States and two
hundred and thirty thousand, four hundred and twenty castillos. I
had spent countless hours parsing through census databases, matching every
possible permutation and location with the vague physical description my

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uncle had provided me. This particular one Castillo had a
Social Security number but almost no online presence, so.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
I needed some kind of visual confirmation. Is this a
picture of your grandson, Donia Castillo?

Speaker 7 (04:12):
Juan?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
See that's my Juan in flakito?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
He is skinny?

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Y what?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I politely showed myself out after pocketing that pitiful photo
of one. Call it a tip for carrying her groceries
up a six floor walk up.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Then I was off to the facility.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'd wasted months staking out thousands of potential matches for
the Juan Castillo from New Mexico.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
To Miami, to the bowels of the Alabama.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Gulf Coast until the facility's facial recognition algorithm pinpointed Juan's
photo as a ninety percent match to the description.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
This had to be my man.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I just needed one more thing to have rocks solid,
undeniable proof that this one gust the year was the
one I was looking for. I needed to see him
in person and acquire a DNA sample.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I can't do this, William, just relentless. Oh my god, no,
not another.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Panic attack on my goodness, sir, Oh you're right, your breathing.

Speaker 10 (05:27):
Is Yes, it's a panic attack.

Speaker 11 (05:31):
I get the more the time.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
It's fine.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Here. Take this a jawbreaker. It's an intensely sour drawbreaker.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
The acidic coating on the candy will shop your nervous
system back into regulation. Trust me, I'm a therapist. It's
a quick fix for a panic attacks. Don't spit it
out yet.

Speaker 9 (05:55):
M M may have well.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
I always told me not to take candy from strangers,
and I just broke that room.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Trust me.

Speaker 10 (06:04):
How wait, how did you had you know my name?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Your name tag? You're a curetor here? Impressive you think so?
You can spit it out now, score DNA sample.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah, hey wait, my breathing and my tunnel vision, it's
it's gone.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
See.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
But as a mental health professional, I think you may
need to consider investing in some coping strategies outside.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Of helping us out with candy. Okay, take my card? One,
may I ask have you ever considered therapy?

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Can I get more candy?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
From there on? It was a waiting game.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I'd acquired one's DNA, but it would take weeks from
my uncle Ignacio to finish his own con and acquire
the DNA sample.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
To match it with.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Ignacio had been in Europe stalking his prey for almost
a year already, So I rented a tiny office in
the West Village and played therapist to keep my upsettingly
neurotic Newmark close.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
It was agony. How did creating the dating profile make
you feel? One?

Speaker 12 (07:26):
Well, the thing is that I didn't actually use the app?
Hmm I see, well, I mean it's not like I
didn't try to use it. I did. I did try,
but well, every time I opened it, I got hit
with this wave of nausea.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Every minute of every session was torture. It went on
and on.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Until Uncle Ignacio finally made it back to the country
DNA sample in hand. I don't think I've ever been
so happy to return to his stodgy wood paneled office
on the family estate.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Do you remember, dear listeners.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Just imagine the smell of Cuban cigars and Irish whiskey
merging with my uncle's dulcip tones.

Speaker 11 (08:13):
Enough for bakery.

Speaker 13 (08:14):
For Christ's sake, She's a maniac, which is why I
am giving you one more opportunity, my son, get me
that data.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right here, friends, is where I thought my job was done.

Speaker 10 (08:30):
And if I fail, if I can't secure the painting, then.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
The business is mine. Bitch.

Speaker 10 (08:38):
Wait, does Gig know something that I don't.

Speaker 11 (08:41):
You both know exactly what's required to do your jobs.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 11 (08:45):
She clearly nothing for none though you want to prove
you can take over our family's empire and get in
line and follow orders.

Speaker 10 (08:55):
No, no, no, no, no no, I know that.

Speaker 9 (08:57):
Laugh.

Speaker 10 (08:58):
You know something, gg You and.

Speaker 11 (09:01):
Gigi have different missions, Fernando, and that's all I'll say
about it.

Speaker 9 (09:07):
Now, go go huh huh.

Speaker 11 (09:22):
You received the courier with the DNA sample I acquired
in Europe.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yes, Uncle, the final DNA results are processing at the
facility as we speak, and based on the preliminary nucleotide matches,
it's him. This is the Juan Castillo we've been looking for.

Speaker 11 (09:48):
The DNA confirmation changes everything gig, the scope of our job,
the worldwide repercussions of what it is we are going
to do.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
But Uncle, isn't this oddly convenient?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
The man we've spent years tracking down works at the
exact museum Leonard Burton's painting is at Isn't that just
the tiniest bit suspicious? Have you considered that maybe we're
being set up?

Speaker 11 (10:13):
That's exactly where you come in. I need you to
keep an eye on this one Castillo, suss him out,
and while you're at it, you can backstop Fernando, support
him from behind the scenes.

Speaker 14 (10:25):
Uncles, are I passed my test? I found one Castillo.
Now I'm supposed to babysit Ernando while he steals the painting,
gets the glory, and takes over the business.

Speaker 11 (10:42):
Yes, those are your orders.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
What if I can help Fernando secure the painting and
bring down the Shadow Empire in one fell swoop?

Speaker 11 (10:58):
What are you suggesting?

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Two birds?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
One con It took us a whole year to locate
the long lost air of our rival's empire. Let's not
wait another to put him into play. Uncle, I've been
working on the mark, and I believe I can get
one custie to work a con on this side of
the Atlantic without even knowing it, and.

Speaker 11 (11:18):
In doing so make the Silent Empire break the treaty
by working outside their.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Territory, leaving them open to a sanctioned takeover.

Speaker 11 (11:33):
Ah, this is a big swing, Kiki.

Speaker 15 (11:37):
But if you can pull this off, well, the business
is yours.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
You are Martini, Miss Gigi.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's so cold it stuck to my hand. Mmmm.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Well done.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Sometimes we just have to push ourselves a little harder,
isn't that right?

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Enjoy that?

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Now? Where were we?

Speaker 11 (12:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yes, I'd barely managed to keep myself in the succession
game with an ambitious plan. But at least my uncle
was intrigued for the moment, and failure was not an option.
Otherwise I'd be taking orders from Fernando for the rest
of my career. So here I was working twice as
hard as any man that had come before me, just

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to be eligible for the same opportunity. A woman's work
is never done to your listeners, especially in the con game.
The first part was by far the hardest, getting Juan
to embrace the con man.

Speaker 11 (13:05):
In his blood.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
Okay, so by this time I was on draft. I
don't know a million this text to prevent though maybe
two million?

Speaker 9 (13:23):
Is that good?

Speaker 11 (13:24):
Tonight?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Breathe one.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Remember that, my friends, The hours and hours of trying
to help one grow some semblance of a spine.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
It was torture.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
How the hell was I going to get this word
to do anything remotely legal? He was spending all of
his time drafting and redrafting text, and my worthless cousin
trying to figure out what to call.

Speaker 12 (13:51):
Him, and who knows, you know, maybe next time you
see me, I'll officially have a boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Even reliving it makes me nauseous.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I tried everything to make one unearthed, that ruthless con
artist bubbling underneath, but it was impossible.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
One.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
No one is more extatic than I am that you're
finally stepping off canvas and into the dating. But then
it hit me, instead of looking at Fernando as the
wrench in my plans with one, I needed to look
at him as a tool in my chanelle tool belt.
I had to throw Fernando off his con game, so
one would have to rise to the challenge. So I

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changed tactics. I eased up on one and amped up
my pressure on my cousin.

Speaker 11 (14:42):
It's the painting in hand.

Speaker 10 (14:43):
Fernando, almost dead.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Is making up excuses because you're incapable of getting the
job done.

Speaker 10 (14:49):
T talk, TikTok, Gigi. I swear to God, you're trying
to get in my head.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
It was working.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
The more Fernando pulled a wait, the more Juan wanted
to be a part of his life, part of the Cohn.
But then something happened that I never saw coming. Fernando
had always prided himself on being a lone wolf, so
I was shocked with what happened next.

Speaker 11 (15:15):
This is the verse.

Speaker 10 (15:16):
What the the Brooklyn Bridge?

Speaker 6 (15:18):
It's some nice Did you know that the architect John
Roebling hired his son Washington as head engineer, and in
Washington passed his wife Emily completed it. It was a
real family affair. So wholesome.

Speaker 10 (15:36):
Families aren't all so simple, you know. Mine's complicated and vicious.

Speaker 13 (15:43):
I guess it's it's why I've never brought anyone all right.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
My family would scare them away in a second. Oh
my god, Wan, your hand is freezing. Oh I'm sorry,
I just I wanted to know. No, no, it's it's okay.
I'll warm it up for you.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I knew was head over heels for Fernando, but when
I saw Fernando was falling for Juan, hmmm, I realized
Ferdinanda would never let one get caught up in something
like this.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
He would protect one from us at any cost.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So before Ferdinando could end the con, I had just
sw been, which is why I found myself casing Mike's
woefully under secured Bushwick's studio.

Speaker 11 (16:25):
Let me see some porn guys chat it up. Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
What is that?

Speaker 10 (16:32):
No shit, that's my miss can A arms my pagings.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
A home security system for a multimillion dollar piece of art.
Adorable men are so simple, Needless to say, I laid
hands on the painting in minutes, dear listeners, and I
only set off the alarm because I was getting fed
up with lurking in the shadows.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
What can a girl crave a little attention? Now and then.

Speaker 11 (17:12):
I'm at dinner.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
Gg it's better be good.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Start drafting my title of succession. Uncle, the painting is
in hand.

Speaker 11 (17:19):
The painting wasn't your assignment.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
It is now I'm using it to lead the boys
to Leonard Burton's yacht. Shall I put it somewhere for
safe keeping and then meet you at Leskala to celebrate.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
You're jumping the gun.

Speaker 11 (17:34):
You still have quite a waste to go before, Juan
thinks of eight stay under the radar.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Be patient, but uncle, and as I stood in the
middle of Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, the Delano painting hanging
by my side in a leather portfolio, I couldn't believe
I was back to waiting on a man or two men,

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I suppose, until I could make.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
My next move. So I stash the Dolanno painting at
a safe house on the south side.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Of McCarran Park and walked up to Berney's for a
well deserved cocktail.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Mescal neat right away missed.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
But before I could do one thing for myself, before
I could even take a sip of that glorious smoky mescal,
a text from Fernando. Four simple words that weeks ago
would have brought a smile to my face now sent
my heart plummeting into my gut you win, I'm out.

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Fernando was out of the con, which meant Juan was
out of the con too.

Speaker 15 (19:03):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I had to fix this fast, and between you and me,
dear listeners, I hadn't the faintest idea how I had

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to get Fernando and Juan back in the game. What had,
moments ago felt like an endless waiting game had now
become a rapid countdown as I racked my brain for solutions.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Bartender, another mescal and fast. Of course you're here, Hi?

Speaker 9 (19:54):
You go? Wait?

Speaker 8 (19:57):
You really didn't expect to find me at my local hawk?
Or are you just really here? From mess Galano served
in a fancy glass.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
It's repos and a host too close to whiskey reminds
me of my uncle?

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Ah? Yeah, how is good, old uncle Ignacio.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Buy me another round and maybe I'll consider letting you
in on our family drama.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Oh not bad, Okay, he can look, I'm usually Annejo guy,
but it's always good to flip the coin now and then, hey, Bartender,
do more or what she's having coming right up? So
family issues got you hiding out in my corner of Brooklyn.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Huh, lucky me, I'm not hiding.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Of course or not.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
That Gigi I know would never shy away from the limelight.
That's why you never last on my side of the biz.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Imagine me behind a computer, cyber hacking with a bunch
of smelly coders in their mom's basements.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
No, thank you, excuse me.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
You've been to my loft, and if I remember correctly,
you bought me the very sense I am wearing right now.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Le labo tenor twenty nine? Okay, just like.

Speaker 8 (21:02):
Scott, all right, all right, so what's on your mind? Okay,
if you're ab Bernie's, you've come here to think, which.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Means I've been on point my whole life, every goddamn
waking movement of every goddamn day, never taking a break,
rain or shine, in and out of jail. I didn't
even have time to blink after your parents. I never
once missed my mark hugo.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
Well maybe you should have.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
You're about three seconds from having this drink all over you.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Oh look, I'm just saying maybe it would do you
some good to take a break. Figure out Gigi for
a minute.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh I know who I am, I am what I do,
and I don't have any existential.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Doubts about that.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Just seems that no matter how well I play the game,
no matter how big I score, Pernando always finds a
way to rip it away from me.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
You know, there's this error message encoding. Okay, look, hear
me out, hear me out. It's called off by one.
I mean, it's super simple. It's like child level error message.
And it happens when you use one more or one
less value in a calculation than you should. I mean,
when something's just barely out of balance needs to be reset.

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So maybe you're just off by one right now. Maybe
you just need a quick reset.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh, come on, do you blame me? You didn't blink
an eye, went for ananda one wanted the deed. When
I tell you, I earned it, paving the way for
a new era of international con artistry with no help
from anyone else in the family. I was pulling overtime,
and like Hugo said, maybe all I needed was a quick, hot,

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sweaty reset. The night's damp Danish mid century Yeah, teak

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nineteen fifty two or fifty three.

Speaker 8 (23:26):
Well, you know you're furnishings. I dabble, Yeah, isn't that
the truth? What did you just say isn't that the truth?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I gotta go.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Okay, all right, okay, you figured it out. You're off
by one error. Okay, this was fun.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
I'll be in touch.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
That is what you said last.

Speaker 16 (23:50):
Time, bion Venu and Levopos Schadgard de Peri, welcome to
peris Cha Degard in the National Airport.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Off by one. Not bad, Hugo, not bad at all.
I realized what I had to do. It was in
my training, in my DNA, the rules of the Khan
that Uncle Ignacio had drilled into Fernando and I since.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
We were children. Rule one, don't touch anything you're not
trained to touch.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Rule two times of the essence, Well, that was certainly
true now, and rule three. Sometimes the easiest answer is
staring right in the face, and for me, the easiest
answer was telling Fernando the truth. I left Hugo's loft

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and made my way to Juan's apartment. There was no
doubt in my mind that Fernando would be there, cozy
up next to Huan, tail between his legs. After I
gripped the painting out from under him.

Speaker 10 (25:13):
You come to gloat at three am?

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Where's your little plaything? I'd love to meet.

Speaker 10 (25:17):
Him you listen to me. I don't want you anywhere
near him.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Never did like to share, did you, cousin?

Speaker 10 (25:22):
Why are you here?

Speaker 15 (25:22):
Gig?

Speaker 10 (25:23):
You got the painting you want?

Speaker 5 (25:25):
I do have the painting.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
But I've also had well, I've had an epiphany. I've
realized there's a world where we can finish the job together.

Speaker 10 (25:37):
I'm going back upstairs, Gig.

Speaker 13 (25:39):
It's over, and there is nothing that you can say
that will make me change my mind.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
You were right.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I did start this con with some inside information, and
I might be willing to share. Good night, gg, since
it's the only way we can run this family business together.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (26:01):
So you want to know what I know?

Speaker 10 (26:03):
This is always how it's going to be, isn't it?
Mind games? Late night hail Mary's riddles.

Speaker 13 (26:08):
I'm done. I don't need your secret information. I'm choosing him, jeging,
and I will always choose him.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
You say that now, Fernando, But what I know changes everything.

Speaker 10 (26:18):
No, I don't expect you to understand my reasons.

Speaker 13 (26:22):
Oh how do you explain love to someone who's never
experienced it and who never will?

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Be careful who you get in bed with?

Speaker 9 (26:29):
You know?

Speaker 13 (26:30):
Now, I'm going upstairs and you you will never ever
come near me or anyone I care about ever again,
or I swear to God, I.

Speaker 10 (26:40):
Will turn you into terpoul myself. Do you understand me?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Fernando the lone Wolf was giving up the con, the empire,
literally everything he'd ever.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
Worked for for love.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
For a moment, I thought about Hugo going back to
his loft, leaving it all behind too.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Love might have made a fool of Fernando.

Speaker 17 (27:11):
But not me.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I just needed to refocus. Hugo's rule of off by
one went both ways. The error could be on either
side of the boundary, So if Fernando.

Speaker 17 (27:30):
Hadn't taken the bait, then maybe it was time to
try the other side. I had to tell Juan the
truth about Fernando.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And well, dear listeners, you know exactly what happens next.

Speaker 18 (27:51):
I found the files and you're safe at the facility.
You push Gigi out of the airplane, not the other
way around. You left her to row in a selling Zurich.
What kind of person does that to their own family? Goodbye, Fernando, what.

Speaker 10 (28:08):
Please?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
One Gastillo had out conned us all. It got messy,
I'll admit, but it also handed me the biggest win
of my career.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
I had gotten.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Augustillo to break the international contreaty.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
So, dear listeners, lest.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
You still think I'm the proverbial bad girl in this story,
let me remind you of the numerous backflips, back alleys,
and backhanded dealings I had to navigate just to be
treated like an equal in this business.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Let alone the leader that I.

Speaker 19 (28:48):
Am, and then ask yourself, my friends, who the real
bad guys are in this story?

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Still me, I'll let you get back to me on
that duty.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
Calls monsieur, how may I help you?

Speaker 5 (29:11):
I'm here to see Damien Castillo. I have information that's
of utmost importance.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
You need an appointment to.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Is tell him it's about his son, of course.

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The setup was produced by Sonro in partnership with Iheart'smichael
Tura podcast network. Created and written by Ivy Marie and
Philippe Baujan, directed by Bettina Lopez, Produced by Luis Eduardo Castillo,
developed by Bettina Lopez, story editing by Nick Milanz. Executive

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produced by Harvey Guillen and Christian Navarro. Connel Byrne and
Giselle Bances for iHeart and Camilla Victoriano and Joshua Weinstein
for Sonorro. Performances in this episode by Harvey Guillen, Christian Navarro,
Daniela Alonso, j D Garfield, Chila, Sheila Corsi, Isabela Olivas,

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Josevie Real, Christina Mueller, Jessica Ruth Bell, and Kareem Galeb.
Our production and supervising managers are Gustavo Rilaer and kerensa Chaidis.
Recording engineering and sound designed by Edwin Irigoying, Juan Dias
and Andres Bayena. Casting and coordination by Ansley Martinez and

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Alex Gonzalez. Voices recorded at the Invisible Studios in Los Angeles,
The Relic Room and New York and Cabby Sound Studios
in Albuquerque, New Mexico, with engineering by Lester Danglar, Brett Tubin,
and Colin Hunkerlier. If you're enjoying the setup, please subscribe, rate,

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