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to talk to, and one of them is my next guest.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
He's somebody I've known for years.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
He's somebody that you all have known for years, practically
family to a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
He starred in Blackish, has starred in.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
An an ordinate amount of movies throughout the years, not
to mention he's been on Law and Order on National
on television for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Throughout the years as well. He's a spectacular actor.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Could be drama, could be comedy, could be the combination
of both.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Whatever the assignment calls for, he's more than capable of
pulling off. He's also somebody that's been a good friend
of mine for many, many years. I'm looking forward to
talking to him, finding out what's going on with him,
what he's about to engage in and embark upon. You
know him A double A one and only Anthony Anderson.
He's up next right here on the Stephen Nate Smithshaw.

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Speaker 2 (03:17):
My next guest is starring in the new Prime Video
original movie G twenty, streaming on April tenth. He's perhaps
best known for his role as Andre Johnson on a
hit ABC sitcom Blackish. I know from a whole bunch
of movies not to mention a law and order. One
of the great great actors of our time, as far

(03:39):
as I'm concerned, please welcome Emmy and Golden Globe nominated
actor do one and only Anthony Anderson to the house.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
What up, Fred?

Speaker 5 (03:47):
What up?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Double A? How you doing?

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
How's everything everything?

Speaker 5 (03:50):
He's going? Good? Baby?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
My hey, my system is falling apart on me. Steve,
my bad, baby.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
My bad.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
You can handle it. You can handle it. It's all
good man.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Let's get right into it because I want to have
I want to get into this before you get cut
off with your damn electronic ass self. I mean you
electronic inhibited itself. I don't know what technological inhibited. Listen,
this film looks like a wild rid in it. Just
start alongside the great Viola Davis and your daughter from
Blackest Marci Martin.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Explain the premise and your character.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Please, Well, you know what, I'm the first man you know,
by over, Davis is the President of the United States.
I'm or a husband, and I'm the first man of
the United States man. So that's my character.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now listen, I know you personally, your friend of mine.
I got mad love for you. You as the first
man thinking about the power of the presidency. Well, the
presidency is under a microscope. The first man might be
a little bit different, not so much. What kind of
nonsense did you get yourself into as the first man?
I mean, what kind of ideas were you throwing out there?

(04:53):
Because I can only imagine.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Well, you know what, man as the first man, like
most first ladies, hur our voice really isn't heard that much.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
But uh, we had a great time.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know, I'm there supporting Viola's character, supporting our family.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Uh, you know, I'm gonna stay at home.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Dad, ex military, married to the President of the United States,
who happens to go over to Cape Town for the
g twenty World Summit, and it happens to be attacked
by terrorists and we have a great time doing it. Man,
we kick a lot of butt, get a lot of
butt kicked. We're both ex military in this film, so
it makes sense for us to do what we're doing.

(05:35):
And uh, it's action packed and it's fun field.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
So it's action packed, but it's not it's not comedic.
I mean, because it's you. I mean, anytime we see you,
you're making us laugh. It's not comedic.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
No, no, not not comedic at all.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
They may there may be some comedic elements here and there, uh,
but but definitely not a comedy.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Uh. You know.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
We we may have a joker to to add some levity,
but it's uh, this is serious business team, this is
serious business.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So as the first man, I mean, as you imagine
a man being in the second position, I mean deferential
to his woman. As black men, we know that that's
just figured because we all know that listen, ninety five
percent of the time the women to get what the
hell a want.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
The five percent of the.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Time, as Chris Rock will say, give us the big
pieces of chicken. I mean, our rites are very very
limited when it comes to our black women. So I
want to know what kind was that part of Was
that a part of the character that was portrayed by
you and obviously by Viola Davis at all?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
She's in charge, I.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Mean, she's in charge.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
And for some reason, on repeat Beyonce song was playing
We Run the World, We Run the World, and so
that was just I was just playing all day for
six months in Cape Town, South Africa.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Man.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
So I just had to fall in line, Steven, I
just had to fall in line and play my position,
as we all do.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
When you think about what you've done in your career,
comedic and obviously some serious roles, watching Law and Order,
in various other roles. At this point in time of
your career, what do you enjoy most?

Speaker 5 (07:08):
You know, one, I enjoy going to work.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
You know, this is something that I've always wanted to
do since I was nine years old, and I've been
blessed with the gift. I don't call it a talent,
I call it a gift. And it's my responsibility to
share this gift that I've been blessed with with the world.
So first and foremost going to work, getting to do
what I do, but then getting to work with people
like Viola Davis, Anthony Starts, you know, Marseille Martin, and

(07:35):
just the luminaries that I've been able to work with
over the years in my career. That's what drives me
and that's what satisfies me, and this hunger that I
have as an actor getting up and going to work
and gracing the stage and gracing the screen with some

(07:55):
of our elite.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
So I'm looking at it from nas standpoint, and you know,
you talk about the work, and obviously in this day
and age, if you work and you living good, because
Lord knows this, there's not enough people that's working in
this day and age, and what have you. As you
think about what's going on again, the first man in
this film by Ola Davis is the President G twenty
coming out April tenth, I'm thinking about the climate the

(08:19):
times that we're living in. How much did that play
a role? A in your willingness to accept such a
role and b in what you guys actually did for
the project itself. How much does the president administration or
the president political climate play a role in all of that?

Speaker 5 (08:41):
I'll answer the former than the latter.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
You know, while we were filming this, this is over
a year ago, so you know, Vice President Kamala Harris
was vine for the office herself, right, and you know
we thought this, you know, we thought we were hoping
that she would be in office that you know, with
with would resonate with an audience, you know, while we

(09:05):
were making this film. But given the current uh political
climate and the new administration off uh the new administrators
that are in office right now, I think, uh, that's
going to drive people to see this movie and gives
it a set of legs, and and and an a set
of eyes that we probably wouldn't have had on it

(09:25):
to begin with, having Viola Davis as an African American
woman being president of the United States, and and and
running things the way that we would hope and want
this administration to run these things. So I I think
it's a great juxta juxtaposition of what's happening in real
life and working parallel with what's going on, uh in

(09:48):
this film that we're doing.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
This administration has called out George Clooney and numerous other
contemporaries in your industry for things that have been said,
manners in which the president has been portrayed, et cetera,
et cetera, And one with surmise that at some point
in time, folks in Hollywood may feel a bit compelled

(10:10):
to be careful about what they do and how they
do it, and an effort to be is really not
as a as authentic to their craft as they could
possibly be while not provoking the ire of politicians in
this day and age, particularly doing the show of this nature.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Is that something that entered your.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Mind, of Iola Davis's mind at all, or is it
about I don't give a damn. I'm Anthony Anderson and
this is the role that it calls for me to play,
and I'm gonna do what I do.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
You know, I can't speak for vile. I can only
speak for myself. But you know, we have our First
Amendment right, you know, to free speech, and we have
our own opinions about the world in which we live.
And you know, as long as I can be my
authentic self, live in my truth and speak my truth

(11:01):
from my position and my perspective, I want people to
respect that, just like I would respect their position and
their perspective. So and it's not about you know what
I'm me. I'm Anthony Anderson, and this is what I say,
and this is how I'm going to live, and this
is what I'm going to do. We also have to
be conscious of what it is that we say and

(11:25):
how it may not only affect our livelihood, but how
it may affect the people that are part of what
it is that we do.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
But we also have to be informed.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
About the things that we are going to say, about
the positions that we want to take, and not just
jump on a bandwagon and say, oh, well I heard this.
You know, we have to do the work ourselves and
find out so we're not misinformed and we're spreading misinformation.
And again, it's just our opinion, our individual opinions on

(11:58):
the world in which we live and how we see
it and how it's affecting us.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
And I think that's only fair.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Let me go back to the film, because the film
Like You Told You, Like You Articulated was shot in
Cape down South Africa. What is this some hand about?
You ended up in the emergency room after the fight
seeing gone wrong. Explain yourself, Anthony Anderson, Explain yourself, what
the hell happened to you?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
You know what, some guys got a little Overzea was
on set, Steven and uh, you know, an accident happen.
It was a fight scene. We were supposed to do
some things. I was supposed to be thrown into a chair,
but they threw me into the chair and missed it,
and the arm of the chair hit me in the
small of my back and it felt as if it
had touched my kidney man and I immediately dropped to

(12:42):
the floor and found out that I had a deep
muscle bruise that that was just gonna take weeks to
heal from within.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
But one monkey, don't stop, no show man.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I continued throughout the night and work and ended up
in the emergency.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Room for five hours.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Nothing was fractured, nothing was broking, and uh, it just
gave me a story to tell.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
As I'm sitting here talking to you.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I am mad at that. As long as you are right,
I'm all right. Why Cape Town, South Africa?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Though?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Why there?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
You know that?

Speaker 4 (13:10):
That that's you know, the G twenty Summit Global Summit
takes place all over the world, and this particular year
was taking place in Cape Town. Uh and uh we're
in our film. Uh, so that's where why we decided
to go there, exotic locale. The people there were great,
the production uh team that was there.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
I you know, it was.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
A beautiful thing working amongst our brothers and sisters in
Cape Town, South Africa. Bringing a production like that, this
huge American production to South Africa was great for the country.
It was great for us. And uh, I'm thinking about
going there and buying the house.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Man.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
That that's how beautiful it really. How welcome, Yeah, that's
how welcoming it was.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Wow, you know, I mean, listen, I got to get
over there. I've been promising. I'm going to get over there,
or some of my boys have asked me to come
to Gone and somebody asked me to come to Rwanda,
and obviously Cape Town and Johannesburg, there's definitely someplace I'm
planning on visiting as well. I got to ask you this,
as as you sit here right now doing the kind
of things that you're doing, you reflect on the career

(14:18):
that you've had. What do you miss most right now
in this time and your at this time in your life,
about whatever most joyous perspective that you've had in your career.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
What's missing right now? If anything at all?

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Wow, good, great, great question, man, great question.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
What's missing? I don't think anything is really missing. It's
always about the next adventure.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Now.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
You know, I had a long run with our television
show Blackish for eight years on ABBC.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
I missed the family there that I built with this
cast of eight years. You know, I've watched these these
young children that we got to hand pick and be
a part of our show grow into young adults now
and to be a part of their informative lives or

(15:14):
be an informative part of their lives growing up. Was
was was a blessing, you know, to have children of
my own, uh, and then to have this second set
of children that that I got to work closely with,
sometimes even more intimately than than my own children, because
I spent so much time on set.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
So I will say anything is missing from my life
or my career like that, but I missed.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Those times that that I spent on that that set,
uh with with with my cast, you know, Tracy, Jennifer
Lawrence and and everybody. You know, it's one of the
reasons Marseille Martin is n G twenty. You know, we
were looking for a daughter, and I was like, you've
got to hire Marseille because I know what she's going
to bring to this role for this and I had

(16:03):
a great chant, I had a great time working with
for eight years.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Let's do it on the big screen.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
And why, by the way, the young lady is already
an executive producer creating content and all of that stuff.
She's a star, make no mistake about it. Let's not
forget in. We all love Tracy and the rest of
the crew. You know, I'm thinking about that. And when
you think about the Blackish Family, remember when we first
came you came on First Take my day job at
ESPN every weekday morning from ten am the noon. He

(16:29):
came on First Take to promote Blackish before it launched.
And remember what I said to you, I said, the
only thing I worried about is the name. Are you
sure that the name ain't gonna, ain't gonna, ain't gonna
provide an impediment to y'all success? And you were supremely
confident that it would not get in the way, that,

(16:49):
if anything, y'all were gonna be able to build off
of it and make it into the kind of show
that it was.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And lo and behold, we went from raving for.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Decades about the Cosby's to raving about Blackish.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I know you saw success coming. Did you see that?

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
We hoped for that, Stephen, You know you can only
dream for things like that. You know when when Kenya
and I sat down and talked about what we wanted
to produce for television, before we even had come up
with the idea of Blackish, we.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Were just sharing ideas about our family.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
And it was Kenya's idea to call it that because
he said, you know what, Anthony, I feel like I
went from raising a black family to a Blackish Family
and called me a few weeks after and said, I
got the title for our show. And you know a
lot of people were hesitant about, you know, even tuning
in to watching it because of what the name is

(17:50):
or and I was like, Yo, that has nothing to
do with the quality and the portrayal of these characters
what we were going to do. And you know, Ish
is a jacent too. We're not making a mockery of anything.
So come watch this and you know, the issue is
now in the zeitgeist. You know, they're all kinds of

(18:11):
issues out there that you know, have come to like
since the creation of our show. So we are happy
and ecstatic about that. We were able to get two spinoffs,
Grownish and Mixed Fish on the air that that's said
a great time. And so for us to build that
type of franchise and that family amongst the shows was

(18:34):
just amazing for us. And that's something that we always saw,
you know, we always saw that, and we took a
page from Cosby. We took a page from what they
did from the Cosby Show and a Different World and
things like that, So you know, that's where it all
came from.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
That's where it all stemmed from.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I Love You on Blackish, no doubt about it as much,
and as long as we've known each other, I've never
told you what your favorite role was?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
What was my favorite role of you, of your portrayal
in this movie. We can play that game.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Two can play that game with Morris Chestnut and Vivica
finds man you Because you know, it's like when I
watch so many movies, right, I ain't gonna say nagg
because I don't want to throw no shade on anybody,
but I see stars and I see cats and they've
got like one of their boys that they're tight with.

(19:28):
But the advice is all it's always it's always lacking
with Two can play that game. You were breaking it
down the Morris Chesna. You were giving it to them,
and I was like, take the words. I mean, it
was just it's the kind of stuff that I would
say to my boys, you know what I mean? You
had it like that. What was your favorite role?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (19:50):
You know, we'll start, We'll start with that one.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
And I'm like, Okay, that's the way they game for
a second, because yes, I watched it a few weeks
ago in the middle of the night. It's like, maybe
three point thirty in the morning, twift it through television
and it came on and I watched it in its entirety,
and I had to send Vivca and Morris a text
message like five in the morning. It was like, look,
I know it's early. I know y'all not gonna see

(20:14):
there's no time soon. But I just watched you for
play that game. And I haven't seen this movie in
almost twenty years. I said, it still holds up. It's
still funny, and the things that we are saying in
this movie is still relevant today. And what's crazy, Stephen,
is that my twenty five year old son was going
through the same thing that Morris Chestnuts character was going

(20:36):
through just a few months ago. And he and his
boy were sitting in my house in my kitchen, and
I was like yo. I was like, yo, Nate, your
boy is me in my movie. I did a movie
about what you're going through right now.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
You're making the same mistake that Morris chess Nut made.
You need to see this movie so you can understand me,
so you can understand this problem.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
That you're going through. Steeve Man, he watched the movie.
He was like, damn, Dad, you right man, he said,
what did y'all make this movie? I said, May, I
was twenty years ago, son, and everything we talk about it,
it's still relevant.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I gotta look out for your son. I gotta look
out for your son right now. I gotta make sure
I give you an opportunity to office. Norris's nose was
wide open.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean he was going.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
He was going.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Man had a whip. Now you understand, I mean that's
what That's what happened. You remember when you told you
coming through the glass window and he's just sitting in
the way in the gym, staring in the space, and
you like to see the light.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
See the light. I'm like, yo, you so I want
to make it.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
You want to make sure you give give your son
an opportunity for Pops to help him out here. You
ain't doing you ain't doing that to yourself. It wasn't
like that, was it.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
No, Hey a a see my son showed up at
her house.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Man.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I was like, son, you can't do that. Are you
prepared to see what you gonna see if you show
up on announce?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
And my son was a man about it, and he
was like, you know what, Dad, I was ready. I
was ready to see whatever I needed to see. Man,
But I just had to go make this move. I
had to do this. And I say all this to
say he and his lady have a great relationship and
they work through whatever it is they needed to work out.
But I was like, son, we need to watch this

(22:20):
movie next time before you go make mistakes like that.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's right, That's right, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So other than two could play that game, anything else
stand out in your mind. I want to make sure
because I know you love all the stuff that you've done,
but all the else stand out.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I just want to make sure.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Look here man, the Departed, you know, getting to work
with your past that I got to work with, and
and being directed by Martin Jack Nixon. Yes, yeah, yeah,
it just the list goes on and on. Man, Romeo
must die. You know, I got to work with the
great Leah and and and Jet Lee and things like that.

(22:53):
Me myself and I ring Jim Carrey. I mean, yeah,
I've been very fortunate in my career, Steve. So those
are and look, I ain't gonna lie. I enjoyed working
on Kangaroo Jack.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Man.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
You know, I catch a lot of hell, but from
behind now with me I was saying, Yo, I love
doing Kangaroo Jack as well.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I got you, I got you. Listen, I know you
love working with the people that you work with too.
And recently I had the lovely, the incomparable. I mean,
she's mama to us, all the lovely Jennifer Lewis. She
was right here on this show. And yeah, she told
she wanted to tell me, she wants she wanted to
give you.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
A couple of words, a few words. Play this, please play.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
This, please and give Anthony Anthony and just in my
love and telling me he's an asshole and I.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Loved him, make sure to do it. Can you imagine
working with that fool eight years?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Oh my god, you did it.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
You did it.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
He won my heart, Anthony, So give him a bill
right his. That's crazy, that's good, you know what.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I don't know if she was on or off her
medicine that that day that she was on your show,
but I love her. Hey, Jennifer, that's that is my baby.
That that is my second mother right there. That's the
mother of all black Hollywood right there. Yo, that's serious.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I don't I don't think it's an exaggeration when you
think about black mamas in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's it's it's Hallowretta Divine. It's one of the two.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
To me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've worked for both
of them. The Redda Divine didn't play my mama. She
played my auntie. Whoopy Goldberg played my mom in this
this other movie called Kingdom Come and Jennifer Lewis. So
I've been surrounded by the mamas in the unties my
entire career, and.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Let me transition to something else that's near dear to
your heart. Evidently you and Cedric Did Entertainer are serious
barbecue enthusiasts, with a line of sauces, rubs, and products
called ac Barbecue. How did y'all come up with the
recipes for somebody's family recipe?

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, what's that about? Double A? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (25:06):
You know, we looked at the We looked at you know,
we're started taking barbecue to fast casual man.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
We were opening up a restaurant here at the Century.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
City Mall or the Westfield Mall in Century City. You know,
Set and I have a love for food. We you know,
we take these fellows trips. We always rent these extravagant
homes and sed and I are always the ones that
are cooking and barbecueing it. We just had this opportunity
to get in this space and there's no one that
looks like us that are in that space. And we

(25:35):
are talking about, you know, bringing barbecue back to what
it once was, or not bringing it back, but just
talking about what it is, the community of it, the
community aspect of it, the the lovingness, the family buy
of what the spirit of barbecue is and where it
comes from. And so we started AC Barbecue and we're

(25:55):
having a great time where we've licensed our kitchen on
seven colleges and universities.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
We have this first.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Restaurant that's about to open uh here in April May
uh at the Westfield Mall, and so we're excited about that.
We got products and stores, so we couldn't have been
more excited about it. We we have this I can't
tell you about this collaboration that we had, but we
have a collaboration that you will hear about in a

(26:25):
month and it's about to be big with us and
another fresh food franchise. Uh So we're excited about that.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Okay, And you also partnered with Magic Johnson's what is
it Dexo Magic to take AC Barbecue to HBCU campuses.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, Yeah, we partnered with Sedexo Magic and that's how
we got our kitchen. AC Barbecue Kitchens on these HBCUs
and colleges and other all colleges and universities. We're in
a University of Cincinnati, Jackson State University, Howard University, and
there are four or five other universities that have AC
Barbecue kitchens on them. So we're just excited about that.

(27:03):
Our partnership with the Dexso Magic is beautiful and we're
just here to do it man, and just you know,
being a lane.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Look, one of our one of our sayings is, you know,
we're rooted in culture and fueled by community. That's what
AC Barbecue is all about. Rooted in culture and fueled
by community. Just bringing everybody together to celebrate and to
love on one another through the spirit of barbecue.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Stay with HBCUs.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
You left Howard University after your junior year, I think,
and I think it was you talked about it being
because of financial issues or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
But how did it feel to recently receive your degree.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
From the chad with Bozman College of Fine Arts in
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
How did that feel?

Speaker 4 (27:50):
It felt great, Stephen And I'll tell you about this
full circle moment. Taraji Henson gave the commencement speech the
year I received my degree. Karaji and I were classmates
at Howard University in the College of Fine Arts. Denise Saunders,
who was the assistant Dean of the College of Fine Arts,
helped me assisted me in getting back into school to

(28:13):
finish my senior year. She and I were classmates at
Howard University and the College of Fine Arts. Doctor Felicia
Rashad is the dean of the College of Fine Arts.
She and I are colleagues and friends in this industry.
She handed me my degree from the College of Fine Arts.
And that year that I received my degree in twenty

(28:35):
twenty two was the very first year that they renamed
the school and it was renamed to the Chadwick A.
Boseman School of Fine Arts. And he and I were
colleagues in this industry and friendly with one another. So
it was a beautiful full circle moment for me to
go back to the beginning. Really for me, you know,

(28:56):
it took thirty five years in the making. I started
Howard University as a friend in nineteen eighty eight and
left after my junior year due to financial reasons, and
had every.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Intention on going back.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And I was finally able to go back and receive
my degree in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I was getting ready to ask you how much of
a role did Nathan play in inspiring you?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Says he's also a Howard grad.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Yeah, well, he played a great role.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
He's unfortunately he didn't graduate yet, but he was. He
got accepted in twenty eighteen, and he inspired me to
go back to school. I always wanted to go back
to school, and I said, you know what, son, You've
inspired me to go back to Howard.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
So this is what I'm going to do.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I'm going to walk with you in twenty twenty two,
and unfortunately, real life got.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
In the way of him. Of my son.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
You know, my son's a young artist, a musician, and
an actor, and his career started.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Taking off, so he followed that path.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
But I stayed true to mine as a promise to
myself and as a promise to him and my family
and my mom and everybody, because when I started Howard,
I would have been the first person in my family
to graduate from a college or university, and so I
had to finish the task that I started, and it

(30:13):
took thirty five years to do so, but I was
able to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
He was also honored with how with the Distinguished Alumni
Award from the university.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Right, yes I was, Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I can't imagine how that must have felt for you.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
It felt great, you know, to receive not only that award,
but the United Negro College Fund gave me an award
the following week for the work that I've been doing
with him in raising scholarship money for other HBCU students.
And you know, I have my own family foundation, the

(30:50):
Anderson Family Foundation that this year I'm transitioning from the
charities that I've been donating to for the last six years.
But in my seventh year, because I went back to
Howard University and received my degree, I'm starting a scholarship
at Howard University. Uh So, you know, some students don't
have to go through what I went through and put

(31:13):
that on hold for as long as I put it
on hold.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
You often tag your social media post just a kid
from Compton, because that's where you're from, Compton in La
I want to know, did you say out or do
you say go ahead dog? When you saw Kendrick Lamar
giving it to Drake. That's what I wanted to That's
what I want I want.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Well, look, hey, first off, I gotta say this, I'm
a fan of both of the artists. So yeah, but
you know what, it was great to see what Kayo
was doing for the culture, for the city of Compton
and what he did, so I had to root for him,
you know, a thousand percent.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
And just to see where he is, where his career
has elevated.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
To from where it once was. I mean, you know,
he was always a star in our eyes. But to
see you know, this this last year and a half
of where it's gone. Uh, and just to see it's
halftime performance show and just what it symbolizes and what.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
It meant, uh, you know, to people who were watching
who understood it, what it meant to the.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Culture, and what it spoke to and what it spoke
about was just Uh, it was just a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So I'll let you get on out of here.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You would diagnose with type two diabetes at age twenty nine.
You've been a vocal advocate for better understanding and management
of the condition, particularly in a black community. I want
you to talk real quickly about what life changes you've
made and how important of an issue this is for you,
because it definitely is for me. I was like point
one point away from being a full blown diabetic a
few years ago until I really prioritize my health in

(32:46):
a in a big time fashion.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Talk to me about yourself and your journey in this regard.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Uh, yeah, you know I've become a diabetic at that age, man,
and you know I always took it seriously. But you
know that it comes a time where you just have
to make dramatic changes in your life and your lifestyle.
And that's what I did. Unfortunately, I lost my father
to complications from diabetes and once but I was the

(33:13):
first person diagnosed with diabetes in my family. My father
had gone unchecked for over for more than twenty twenty
five years.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
And.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
I realized that once I was diagnosed, I look back
at the symptoms that my father had when I was
growing up, and they were the same as the symptoms
that I was having now. And so that's when my
dad got checked out, and so we lost them to that,
and that's why I partnered with Noble Orders to bring
awareness to everybody out there who may be suffering from

(33:47):
it or adjacent to it. We started a campaign called
get Real about Diabetes, and they can go to get
real about diabetes dot com to find out information about
this disease. And it's really informed. And I go out
to the communities and I talk to the communities, but
in particular Black men, because.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
We are the ones that rarely go to the doctors.
You know, myself included.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
My dad didn't go for twenty twenty five years and
we lost him because of that.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
So I get out on this campaign and I share.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
My story and my testimony with them, and I just
talk about the changes that I've made in my life
in order to live with the disease and manage it
instead of dying from it. And it comes with sacrifice,
it comes with hard work, but in the end, in
the long run, it pays off.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's your personal journey, obviously, you're trying to help many,
many lives, not just yourself. Tribute to you for doing that, major,
major props to you for that. That's on a personal level,
on a professional level, considering all that you have done
and considering the show that you're on here talking about
right now. G twenty streaming April tenth on Prime Video, Starr, You,
Viola Davis, and others. Of course, when you talk about it,

(35:02):
when you think about what you shared on a personal level,
what are you on a mission to share at this
point professionally since you're clearly qualified to share because you've
done so many great things.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I just want to continue to make opportunities for myself
and make opportunities for my mother, but also, you know,
make opportunities.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Pause right now, no one who's better than you at Domino's.
Let's not forget that.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
What I mean, Yeah, yes he is. You know, I
learned from the best, you know. But I just want
to continue to make opportunities for creators and storytellers, like
people made opportunities for me to come out and be
my authentic self and tell my stories from my point
of view.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
And I just want to continue to be a part
of that, you know, So that that's what I'm striving for.
To start directing more, to start creating more, uh, and
to start collaborating more with people that you know, you
would never know.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
I was like, oh, I never knew this is what
you did? Or this is what you wanted to do,
let me be a part of.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
That, because you didn't know this is what I wanted
to do and be a part of. So it's all
about collaborations and just telling you know, and being your
authentic self and being in that space.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Love you, bro, Proud of you, So good to see you,
looking forward to connecting yet again. I know you've been
on the road a lot, doing a lot of great things.
I'm just happy for you, happy to see you in
this space, in this place in your life right now,
Really proud of you, really happy for you. You want
of the great ones? You know how I feel about you.
Nor much love I got for you, so much so
that I got a surprise for you. Because my career

(36:39):
is kind of going decent. You know, I'm doing all right,
you know, okay, And I got something. I got something
new coming up. I have been I have been asked
to appear or law and order.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'll take it up there After I was like, what what.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I got I got to get I got to get
some tips from my brother.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I got to get some tips. Man.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Let let me know.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'll run lines with you if that's what you need, Steve,
we can do it. Got you, Hey, welcome to the
Leno family.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Baby, Then did you know?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I mean, there are worse things to achieve in life,
no doubt about that. I mean everybody has anybody been
on law and order. So that's the way I arn
is to start.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Of something new. Appreciate you, bro, love you man, appreciate.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
It even always great seeing you're my friend.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
No doubt. All right, talk to you so fix.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's my man, Anthony, and it'son Always a pleasure talking
to that brother. It seems like you learn something new
every single day. But no matter what he's taught us
via our conversation with one another in front of you all,
I doubt that he's going to be able to teach
us to the degree that the next guest is going

(37:53):
to teach us. I don't know if I haven't thought
about it, introducing or interviewing an ash or somebody that's
going into space, you know, aerodynamics and all of this
other stuff. Davin, I don't even know what the hell
it comes with the industry for crying a lot. But
I'm about to learn because it's a sister that I'm
about to talk to who is a star who's about

(38:16):
to go up in space. Like literally, I'm not speaking
metaphorically or figuratively. I'm talking about literally, she's about to
go up in space.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
A marvelous, marvelous young sister who is doing big, big
things and wants to come on this show to talk
about it. Inspiring young ladies everywhere of all ethnicities. Her
name is Aisha Bow. She's the real deal.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I think I'm lying. Listen to her speak up next
right here on Stephen E.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Smithshew, My next guest is a former NASA Rocket science
entrepreneur and global STEM advocate. Oh and did I mention
she will make history as one of six women on
Billionaire Jeff Bezos is eleventh Blue Origin and S thirty

(39:11):
one space flight on April fourteenth, Please welcome the one
and only Miss Ashabo.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
How are you? How's everything?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm good, It's nice to finally meet you. First of all,
I'm very very proud of you. Congratulations on all your success,
and I'm especially proud because you're working in partnership with
my alma mater, wister, Salem State University. Tell an audience
about that, please, let's get let's got a touch on
that first listen.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
We couldnt go to space without Winston Salem. When I
embarked upon this mission, it was important for me to
conduct science and to do it with a world class
institution like Winston Salem. I long admire their astropotany lab
from when I was at NASA, and I am privileged
that the opportunity to genetically sequence plants in space with them.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
How do you feel about this? I mean they say
this is the lady's time. I mean, with all the
ladies going on this historic trip, who'll be joining? Tell
an audience who will be joining you on this flight?

Speaker 7 (40:04):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (40:04):
I'm joined by Gil King, Katie Perry, Lauren Sanchez, Carrie,
Anne Flynn, and Amanda.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Win Now those ladies that elected to join you, what
kind of advice have you given them? I'd like to
know this, because you know, Gail is usually one that
gives advice now takes it.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I know she's a friend of mine and she's so bossy.
I say that affectionately.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
What are the kind of things you told her about
what she's about to embark upon?

Speaker 6 (40:28):
Pleasant planning and preparation, right, I look at this similar
to athletics. It's important to visualize. It's important to prepare
and to be in the moment. We're getting ready to
go on a journey that almost everyone who has gone
on it has come back forever changed. And for people
around the world who are writing me, who are engaging

(40:50):
with the mission and seeing a little bit of themselves
in us, it's important that we show up, we meet
the moment.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Tell the folks out there about yourself in terms of
who you are and how this all came to be.
I mean, when we think about I mean, there's a
lot of aspirations. People are very aspirational in this day
and age, but you don't see too often somebody engaging
in this kind of stuff where you're going up in space, girl,
you're going above the earth, crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean, how did all of this come to be?

Speaker 7 (41:19):
I'm the person who never thought that I would be here.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
I started out as someone who wasn't high performing in
high school. In fact, I went to my community sorry,
I went to community college, and I didn't even apply
to college. After asking my high school guidance.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Counselor what she thought I could do, and she.

Speaker 6 (41:36):
Said, I think you'd better be better be off pursuing cosmetology,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I hold on cosmetology.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yeah, and you know, I pause here because I'm looking
at you and I'm looking at this, and this was all.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
It was all a dream.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
And I did not apply to college because I thought
I wasn't.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
Smart enough to go.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
I did not have the dream of working at NASA
because I I thought that I couldn't make it.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
And so when I went.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
To school, I said, you know what, Ayisha, you're in
community college, but you have taken everything that someone else
has told you about yourself to be true, and it
is not. And so let's focus only on what it
is that you want to do. And what I wanted
to do was wake up every day and look at
my face and be proud. I want to look in
the mirror and say that my black was beautiful.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
And I wanted to live a life.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
That was a testimony. And so I said I'm going
to become a rocket scientist.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
And people laughed.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
I mean they still laugh at me. Today's spoiler alert.
I'm like, google me, I'll wait right, But they laughed
because they didn't think that I could do it. And
so I started my aerospace engineering degree with pre algebra
in this community college.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
I went to Michigan Aerospace.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
I got a master's in Space systems engineering, and then
I went to NASA and I said, I'm going to
commit my life to telling people that being realistic is
the most commonly travel path to mediocrity.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I had the.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Pleasure meeting your wonderful mama. She's standing right over there.
I see where she gets here, I see where you
get it from. Okay, let me just say that very
very complimentary. I might add, but here's the deal. Wasn't
it your dad that first mentioned to you or suggested
that you might want to take this path?

Speaker 1 (43:16):
And if that is so, if that is so, what
is it that he saw that you didn't see.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
At that particular moment in time that made him make
that suggestion.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Well, my dad, who's from the Bahamas, decided that when
he heard what the guidance counselor said, he would go
and give her a piece of his mind.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
He was told not to come back.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
So he did go and give her a piece of
his mind, and they told him not to come back.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Okay, Okay, say you know you cannot allow others to
define you in life. And I want you to know
that you were smarter than what they think you are,
and you were better, and so he would challenge me
at the dinner table. He would ask me to write,
like you know, write down equations and things, and then
he would tear them up and he would tell me
that the only thing that someone can't take from you

(44:04):
is the stuff that's in your mind. And he said,
I assure you can do whatever it is that you
put your mind to, So go do the math. I
will pay for it. You'll take the class again. And
so I started over the classes I was taking in
high school that I didn't do well in. I started
over in community college because he told me that I.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Could, and I'm thinking about it for along the way
he had to see something is in terms of it's
one thing to believe in you because he loves you
daily and he believes that you have a level of
intellect that they're underestimating. It's another thing important entirely to
see a particular gift. You got to be gifted to
do what you're doing right here, because so you're clearly
a gifted young lady. I'm saying, did he see that
expertise in math? Your interests elevated when it came to

(44:44):
that subject.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
What was it, you know, I think he saw potential.
Everyone needs someone who believes in them.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
You know.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
One of the things I loved about the Venus and
Serena moving was that the father spoke power over them
before they were champing bands. He was really deliberate about
making sure that no one would tell them that they
are going to be anything better than the best. And
my dad, in that moment, told me the same thing.
It wasn't because I had previously demonstrated it. It was

(45:12):
because he saw potential, and I grew into my potential. Heck,
I'm still growing into it. I went from being at
NASA to running two companies, to making education product to
being on the show talking to you. I'm still learning
how to do. But what I stand for is the dream.
I stand for the idea that there is no dream
too big and nothing too audacious.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Was folks?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Were folks derailing your dreams? Or was your actions derailing
your dreams because you didn't believe you were as nearly
as focused as you ultimately became, Which was the biggest
impediment to you getting to where you are today?

Speaker 6 (45:48):
In your estimation, I think I was the biggest impediment
because I had to learn how to think. I had
to learn how to view myself as a computer that
needed to be pushed new prog Essentially, I controlled the
narrative in my mind, and so if I consistently reinforced
how I think and how I respond to the things
around me, then I can change reality to be what

(46:12):
it is that.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
I wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
How were you able to do that?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
When you use the word reinforcement, because I'm peeling apart
some of the words that you're saying, and you talked
about reinforce, well, that means it was there, but something
inside of you was willing to put forth the due diligence,
the level of tenacity, etc. That you were not willing
to do in the past. Was the inspiration there because
you wanted to make your daddy proud? Was the inspiration

(46:36):
there because you wanted to debunk and ultimately dismiss what
the teacher who referred you to cosmatology recommended. I mean,
when we think about the word reinforce, it emanates from somewhere,
which was the motivation for you.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
I was tired of feeling bad. I wanted to feel good.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
When I woke up, I looked at my reflection and
I didn't like what I saw, and when I really
started to think of it, here was I had someone
that loved me and thought I was so great, But
I didn't think that way. I didn't feel that way,
and I could not feel good without taking control of me.
And so I said, I am strong enough to overcome

(47:16):
whatever challenges are before me. And I do that every
single day, even to this day. I wake up and
before I start everyone else's day, I start mine, and
I have affirmations, I have meditation, I pray, and then.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
I get going.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Does meditation really work? I've been that's been referred to
me on many many occasions. I'm going like this, it's
kind of impossible. That requires me to shut up and
just sit there and empt in my mind. And I
just think there's a lot of things in life I
could pull off. I don't know if I could pull
that off. Can you pull that off? How hard is
it to learn how to meditate?

Speaker 7 (47:43):
Listen? I like to meditate, and when I meditated, like
to do it in the Bahamas.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Resident. You know I'm from Virginalais. Now my family's from
same time as Virginalais.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Listen, i'ma how about that?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
How about that.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But I mean, I look at you now, and we
all have to just stand down and marvel at the
accomplishments that you've achieved to this degree. When I think
about what you're doing moving forward, particularly with this mission,
and how it's going to resonate not just in America
but throughout the world as you go and you talk
to young ladies throughout the country, because I know you do.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
What are the kind of things you say to them?

Speaker 7 (48:18):
I tell them that space is for all and not
for some.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
I'm literally traveling with postcards that I've asked the students
to write their dreams down on because my goal is
to be a bedtime story. I want people to tell
their children what it is that I did in the
hopes of encouraging them to reach for the stars.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
But you're going to carry these postcards from the students, right,
And I wanted to ask you what they're going to symbolize.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
But you're taking them up in space with you. Yes,
what you're doing.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
You know, thanks to Lauren and Jeff, they're going back.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
To the very same students who wrote them, and so
they'll be stamp flown in space and then they're going
to bring space back down to Earth.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Tell me about the significance of the American flos that
you know you're going to take in the space.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
When I first started working at NASA, I met a
woman named Nancy Conrad. She's the wife of Pete Conrad,
the third man to walk on the Moon. She became
a very powerful mentor to me. And Pete's story is
similar to mine. He was rambunctious and he didn't necessarily
fit in the traditional mold of school.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
In the beginning.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Nancy saw that I wanted to go to space, and
she mentored me along the way, and when the mission
was confirmed, she said, Ayisha, I want to provide you
with the symbol of the past, because you are the future.
And she asked the museum a flight in Seattle to
go and get Pete's flag that he took to the
Moon with him on Apollo twelve, and they sent it

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to me, and so I will have an opportunity to
put that flag back in space, and then it will
have been flown twice and his legacy and my legacy
will be shared in the museum.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
How long are you going to be up there?

Speaker 6 (49:55):
Do you know long enough?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Listen, that's vague, that's vague, I mean specific, you're gonna
be in space.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
You know how long are you gonna be up there?

Speaker 6 (50:04):
In?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Now?

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yes, so the entire flight will be like maybe eleven minutes, right,
and yes, and it's great because one that's enough to
study how plans respond to microgravity. And two, my mom
knows exactly when I'm coming home.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Did you just finish saying that the eleven minutes is
enough to study? Is that? Would you just say eleven minutes?
That's all you.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
Need, that's all you Well, so when you're in microgravity,
changes on the molecular level happen instantly, and so we're
actually able to genetically sequence plants in that period of time.
And this has implications for food security on Earth.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
We know, forgive this.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Question, it's gonna sound a bit idiotic, maybe, but I
gotta ask because you know, we hear politicians all the
time talking about taking us into space, they exploring space,
what have you. Ultimately, one day we're gonna live on
malls and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And I don't pay much. You're the reason I'm paying
attention to it.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
You shouldn't be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be paying attention
to that, you understand, but you got me interested.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Are we to take that and embrace that seriously?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
That that is an objective and an agenda for astronauts,
and that's and everything in between as it pertains to
this country, this world and things from an exploration perspective,
they're really really plotting to do this.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Well. We've been studying various elements of space travel for
some time.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
We say we humanity massive and what we've.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
Realized is that space is a harsh environment, no surprise there.
But what we learn in space has implications here on Earth.
So if you can grow plants in space, you can
grow them here in food deserts. You can help make
sure that people get access to the next generation of antibiotics,
and you can also make sure that they get Wi Fi.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
Wherever they are, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
So you just utilizing that to bring it back to
Earth to make sure we maximize our potential as a
human race as opposed to telling us were trying to
move the mall.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
That's what you tell them, exactly space for the benefit
of Earth.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
That moves me.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I feel a lot better about that now, a lot
more knowledgeable about it.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
How does one prepare for a spaceflight.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
Well, if you're an adrenaline drunkie like me, you have
a lot of fun while doing it.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
I just had the opportunity to.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
Fly in L thirty nine, which is a fighter jet,
and I successfully completed some aileron rolls and some high
speed maneuvers.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
And had a great time.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
But there is a commercial space flight regulation that kind
of lays out preparation for space and so I've gone
from flying an acrobatic aircraft to hypoxia training to these
fighter jet and high G forces six gs.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
I absolutely love it, and so it's important to physically
and mentally prepare.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I give you kudos not just for your accomplishments, but
because of your bravery, because they tried to get me
up in the fire, the jets years ago, and I
told them to go to hell. Don't even think about it,
don't even think about coming my way with that nonsense.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I'm comfortable on land. You understand. I'm not trying to
do that. So you're brave than me.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
Just but I got the hook up.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
I know a Bahamia who's a fighter pilot.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
He owns the aircraft.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Let's go No, Yes, I'm not that brave.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
You can do it.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
No, I can do it.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
You can do it too.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I know I could do it, but because of me,
I ain't gonna be scared as hell when I'm doing
at a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Well, look, I think the fear is good.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
You feel the fear, you do it anyway.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
If people ask me, are you nervous, It's like, yes,
I'm getting in a rocket and going up. But on
the other side of fears everything I've ever wanted.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Will this mission be carried lives? It will be, It
will be.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
It will be broadcast on Blueorgin dot com Wow on
April fourteenth. You can tune in, whether in a classroom
or you.

Speaker 7 (53:39):
Were at home.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I want to go to a couple of other things
before you depart, and I really appreciate you taking time
out of your busy schedule onor to have you here.
It means a lot to me that you hear, and
it means a lot to me that everybody's gonna know
even more about your story. You found it stem Board,
a startup specializing in engineering services for federal and private
sector clients without any outside funding, and twenty twenty, it

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landed on the Ink magazine's five thousand list of the
fastest growing privately owned US companies.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
How were you able to do that?

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Dollar and a very supportive dog. Really, I was telling
people that, look, I'm going to found a company, and
they didn't know any people who look like me with
my background who had founded companies and were successful. And
so I decided that if you tell me that I
can't do it, I'm gonna do it. And over the
last twelve years, we've been recognized for hiring veterans, we

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received a higher vets award from Department of Labor, We've
had the opportunity to expand to five states, and we've
been on the INK list now twice. I couldn't, They said,
I can't. I did?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
You?

Speaker 6 (54:44):
Did?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
You did?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You're also doing great work begase kids to consider STEM
careers through your ad tech company, LINGO.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Talk to me about that for a second, and who
do you hope to reach?

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Well, it sort of became this year one trick pony thing.
Should I'm like, no, I feel like genius is evenly distributed. Opportunity, however,
is not, and so how do I take what it
is that I've learned and my resources and bring it
to students all around the world, and that was through LINGO.
Many students had never been taught anything by a black

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woman that was technical in middle school or high school
or college, and so we decided to make self paced
coding kits. We started off by supporting inroads and it
bloomed from there. We in the last two years have
delivered these kids into the hands of ten thousand students,
but we stay teaches us for freshman computer science. We've
been bought in ten countries, and I'm delighted to say

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that we've launched two new space themed lessons so that
we can take this mission and we can take the
inspiration and we can deliver that into skills that people
can use to be employable.

Speaker 7 (55:51):
In the future.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
My last question to you would be this, I know
you care about humanity, the human race. I know that
you have a special affection for young ladies out there
in this world trying to make it happen for themselves.
But I imagine as a marvelous black woman, it's very
very touching considering the connections to HBCUs and beyond what

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your accomplishments have meant and will continue to me to
young black ladies out there in the years to come.
Can you talk about that for a second and how
that vibes with your mission and your aspirations and life
as you move forward.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
I had the opportunity when I was at NASA to
speak to Michelle Nichols. And if you know Michelle, you
know her from Star Trek, but she also well she
was the person who recruited the first class of African
American astronauts with NASA. She used her star power to
go out there and find many people who you read
about in history, and for me, it's the story. I

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want to know that when I'm gone, that I have
left this place better than when I received. And for women, girls, people,
we don't just inspire Black people. We inspire all people, culture,
everything around the world. And so for me to be
here in this moment, I want to let people know
while I would love it if you become a rocket scientist,

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what I want you to take from this is do
not allow anybody to define.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
You Aisha Bo. The marvelous is Shabo.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Good luck, continue to make all of us proud, because
you're surely making me proud.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
My thanks to the one and only I should vote
to all female Blue Origin NS thirty one.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Space flight is scheduled for April fourteenth. Be sure to
check it out.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Thank you so much. She is an inspiration for sure.
As the daddy of two beautiful little girls, I shouldn't
call them little anymore, my god, the teenagers, but they
make me proud. As Aisha I am sure has made
her parents proud. She's special, make no mistake about it.
She's going to inspire young ladies everywhere for years and

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years to come. Let's all keep an eye out for
that girl, that young lady, and wish her nothing but
the best, the all I support around her, because Lord.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Knows she deserves it.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Let me transition to another subject, back to the NCUBA tournament.
It's almost over, but there's a lot of interesting storylines
that took place during the nc doubaa tournament that still
resonates to this day.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And one of the people that that applies to is R. J.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Lewis, junior star small forward for the Saint John's Red Storm.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
A lot of people thought they would be playing for
the national championship tonight. It was not to be.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Well, why did that happen? What mistakes were made? What
they made by him, what they made by coach Rick Patino?
Is that why he's departing from Saint John's? Is that
why he decided he might go pro?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
He might even transfer to another school. I don't know,
but we're about to find out.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
My next guest is a now former star for Saint
John's University. He recently entered the Tree Transferred portal and
a clip for the twenty twenty five NBA Draft. If
he remains in college, the Big East Player of the
Year is expected to make at least one point five
million dollars in NIL earnings next season. So joining me
now to discuss his future none other than the now

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former star officer Saint John's himself.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
R J. Luise Junior. What's going on, big time? How
are you man? How's everything?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
What's going on? Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
It's good to see. It's good to finally meet you.
You got a lot of friends that are friends of mine.
They've been telling me to meet you for quite some time.
Congratulations on a great year that you've had. I have
to admit and start off with this, I'm still pissed off.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
At Coach Patino.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I did not like the fact that you were you
were on the bench for the damn near last five
minutes of that NCAA Tournament game against Arkansas. I want
to know that, now that you've had time to reflect
on it, how are you feeling about what transpired?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
And where's your head at right now?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I mean, obviously, you know, during the game was kind
of hurt, you know, just not being able to you know,
be on my on the court, with my with my
team for the last five minutes to you know, be
able to win the game. But I mean, you know,
coach Coach made a decision that he felt was best,
and you know, I have to I have to respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
My attitude, and I think the attitude of most sports
fan is that you you use what brought you there.
I mean, eighteen point two points game, forty four percent shooting.
Throughout the twenty twenty five season, Big East Player of
the Year, Big East Tournament Most Outstanding Player consisted second
Team All American All Right, and Saint John's won the
Big East Outright in the regular season for the first

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time since nineteen eighty five of the Biggest Tournament for
the first.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Time since two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Even though you were struggling that game, what was your attitude.
Did you feel like, listen, I can I can get
through this even though I'm struggling this afternoon. What were
you thinking at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I mean, I definitely was a it was a it
was an off day, it was a rough day. Probably
wasn't my best game of the year, but I mean
I just feel like, you know, there was still five
minutes up in the game. I think anything could have happened.
When I came out the game, I I shot the
two free throws and I cut it down someone possession.
So I mean I was thinking, hopefully, you know, I
hit those two free throws, I was gonna be able to,

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you know, calm down a little bit. But I mean,
I think anything could have happened in the last five
minutes of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You know, I wanted to ask you before I show
you a quote. I want to know what your teammates
said to you at that time when it was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What were they saying to you or what did they
say to you? And the immediate aftermath of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
It was kind of just letting, like everything else soak in,
you know, just the season we had, you know, thirty one,
thirty one, four thirty one and five since we lost
that game. But everybody was just kind of just you know,
kind of sad, trying to just you know, just take
it in, and they didn't really understand what was going on.
You know, I myself was lost for worse. So it
was kind of the first couple of minutes in the

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locker room was very silent, and then you know, then
it hit us and you know, a couple of guys
was crying. Some of the seniors was was very upset,
you know, just because you know, we weren't able to
you know, keep on dancing. But I mean, after that,
you know, we just hugged it out. We'd even talk
about as far as like individual performances. We just you know,
gave each other a hug. We congratulated each other on

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a great season. And it just suck to go out
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Coach Rick Patino, when asked about it after the game,
wouldn't elaborate on his decision making and why he had
made that decision. People like myself and various other pundits,
we were calling them out, like what the hell are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
That's not what you do but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Nevertheless, he decided to speak on this recently, within the
last forty eight hours or so, and I wanted to
see I wanted to show you this quote, and I
wanted to get your reaction in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
To what the coach had to say about his decision. Quote.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
It was the right move talking about benching you. It
was the right move because of where he was mentally.
He was forcing shots and it was affecting the rest
of his game. Luis was not only getting down about
his game. He wasn't playing the defense we needed. He
wasn't playing the transition.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Defense we needed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
He wasn't blocking out all the missed shots, and the
forced shots were.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Affecting him him. He just recently gave those quotes the
Vice TV. What is your reaction to what your coach said.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I mean, I'm just hurt, you know. Obviously, like I said,
it wasn't it wasn't my best performance. But I think
it's a could have you know, could have did a
better job, you know, picking my head up, and you know,
you know, just just doing a better job, you know,
coaching me up, like how he's done the whole year,
and it just it just sucks to her, said you know,

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obviously the way I played and the way we went
out in the tournament. Uh, you know, I'm I'm gonna
take that with me, uh, I mean forever. You know,
that's my first time participating in March Madness. But I mean,
definitely just just hurt. It's one of those you know,
you can only control what you can control. And I mean,
like I said, you know, Coase Bettino made a decision
which he thought was best for the team, and I
have to respect that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Is that why you're leaving Saint John's? Is there another reason?

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
That's not the reason. I mean, I feel like this
season I had, I felt like my stock won't be
any higher than it is. And I mean, thanks to
my coaches and my teammates, you know, they've been able
to you know, put me in a position to you know,
take the next step in my journey, and obviously that's
to play in the NBA. So that's really really my
decision is to you know, to go on and you know,

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start this draft process and to see what what God
has in story for me for at the next level.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I understand that the draft process is the draft process,
but is it possible that you could potentially end up
transferring to another college or are you all in on
entering this NBA draft and that's what you anticipate you
will do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
I mean I'm all in, but I mean worst case scenario.
Always got to have a backup plan. So obviously that's
why I into the trans supporter. But I mean I'm
fully focused and I'm fully focused on the on the drafts.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
What kind of game do you believe you bring to
the table, not just for another college team potentially, but
for an NBA team. Describe your game in what you
believe you bring to the table.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I'm a two way player, very versatile. I could guard
multiple positions. I feel like I could defend at a
high level. And I've I've improved that I could score
the ball at all three levels. And I'm improving my
jump shot, my three point shooting, which is very big
in the NBA NBA game. So I mean, I mean

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as far as what I've done, like the last ten games,
I think I've I've sat like fifty percent, uh not
mentioning the last game, but I mean I think I
bring a lot. I have a lot of potential. Like
you know my persona, my person you know my character,
very hard working, very determined. I've earned everything that I've

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been given, and I mean I just keep on improving.
You know, I'm a late bloomer, like you'll say. You know,
it was very under recruited coming out of high school,
had to go to prep school, and you know, I
just been working, uh, you know, for moments like these,
for these opportunities, and you know, I'm just keep on
putting the work in too, you know, better my craft
and I would've for like you know, NBA teams go

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to get a great kid, a very humble kid, a
very hard working kid, and a kid that wants to compete,
and you know, just went at the highest level.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I'm talking to the Reign and Biggies Player of the
Year in the consisting second team All Americans, So we
know you can ball.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
When you think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
About what you have to do, how far you've come,
and how you've worked up to this point. Are you
of the mindset that you know what you're definitely and
definitively ready now and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
It would be best for you to be in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Now or is there a possibility that you might decide
it might be better for you to wait and go
back to school for an additional year before going pro.
What's the whole mindset that you're dealing with right now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Oh, mindset. I feel good. You know, I'm healthy first
and foremost, you know, coming off a double shin surgery.
So you know, I just give the glory to God,
you know, for allowing me to you know, play the
sport that I love so much. You know, just obviously
just being healthy. That's really the main, the main thing
I took out of this whole year. And obviously you know,
the performance I had visually as far as collectively with
my team, I think we did something extraordinary, uh this

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season that Saint John's hasn't seen it, you know, over
forty years. So it just feels great. And definitely I
feel like I'm ready. I feel like me going back
to school would uh probably be like a burden, you know,
just because you know, I've accomplished so much and as
far as like accolades and you know, just winning, I
feel like it just it would just be hard to
you know, kind of replicate that and and uh and

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match that next year if I were to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
To college, knowing that's still a possibility at the slight
chance that you remain in college, What programs are you
looking to transfer to or what kind of system do
you think better best works for your for your skill set.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I mean, like I said, uh, fully focused on the
draft right now. There's definitely a uh every school in
the country has been has been reaching out to to
to my agency with Rock Nation, But I'm really not
even paying on mindset that right now. You know, obviously,
like I said, enter the transporter as a as a
backup plan and just fully focus is on the on
the draft right now, and if it comes to that,

(01:08:02):
you know, we'll circle back and go back to that
because you know we left that opportunity open. But definitely
just I on the prize, just the NBA right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
When you talk to NBA scouts, this is something I
would know about. Even though your crew, you know, O
g One and the rest of the crew looking out
for you the way that they that I know they
will because they know everybody. When you think about what
you've accomplished in your life, not just your career. Knowing
NBA personnel the way that I do, they ain't gonna
just add they think they've got your game down pat

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they know what you can bring in what what potential
you may have, et cetera. But you the person when
they sit down and they ask you about you and
what you will bring to a locker room, what you
will bring to a franchise an organization.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
What is it that you like all of these NBA
teams to know about you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I mean, like I said, a humble kid, uh, you know,
a hard worker, a competitor, and I'm just really just
you know, just a uh I'm somebodey that knows how
to deal with adversity, you know, being overlooked. I kind
of have a chip on my shoulder. So really just
you know, just going in there determined, and I mean
just knowing that, you know, all the hard work that
I put has has led me here. You know, I'm
gonna keep on doing that, you know, I mean that's

(01:09:16):
really it. Just you know, bringing in the energy and
U do doing the little things that you know that
that they need me to do. And obviously you know
as I hopefully as I get there, you know, I'll develop,
develop my game and you know, just keep on improving
as a player and as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Anyone in particular you modeled your game after, or you'd
like to model your game after.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Uh, nobody in particular, you know, obviously, you know there's
there's people I look at, you know, that have the
same same body type I like. I like Jason Tatum,
I like Devin Booker. Uh, I like Shaane Gildis, Alexander
you know, just those big guards that are you know, uh,
not able to secure for themselves, but to create for others.

(01:09:56):
And I think that's something that I wasn't able to
to demonstrate a whole lot. I think I'm a way
better playmaker, and you know what what I've done in college,
you know, just the floor space is very compact. It's
a lot of guys in the in the gaps and
stuff like that. So I think, you know, just playing
in the NBA and is playing on a more spaced out,

(01:10:17):
uh more space out system will allow me to, you know, uh,
just showcase my playmaking abilities more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Talk about the experience for the NCAA tournament and what
you believe is necessary in order to succeed well enough
to win a national championship. Just going through what you've been.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Through, I mean, I wish I could tell you. I
mean I think I got a little taste of it.
It's kind of hard to really tell you what really
takes into that. You know, just because I haven't haven't
been a part of that culture, but I mean hopefully
I've been part of you know, building that that that
little culture at Saint John's and you know, trying to
get that program going. But I mean those are those

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are great programs, great coaches, and I mean it takes
a lot, you know, as far as you know, the
trans supporter and stuff like that at it. You know,
it's hard to build that type of chemistry. So you know,
just just got to, you know, go go where you're
able to to build as a as a person, as
a player, and obviously, you know, you gotta play with
a coaching staff that believes in you, and I mean
obviously you gotta gotta put the work in. Nothing's given.

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And I think all those teams have earned the right
to to play in the final four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I know you transferred from you Mass after one year
to go to Saint John's the last two years, and
obviously being at Saint John's did a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
For you your career, your future, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
To close out, is there anything you'd like to say
to somebody like a Rick Patino before we depart.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Uh to tell him now, I just tell him, thank
you for the opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
You know, obviously without him, I wouldn't be able to
play at Saint John's. And you know, obviously get a
get a good education.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I mean some people may not know, but I'm actually
a four point zero student. Oh, I take I take,
I take take academics pretty seriously as far as you
know basketball, and I mean that's it. I just really
just just thank him for the opportunity, just knowing you know, Uh,
he took a chance on a care from Miami, and
he believed in me to you know, to come into
the Big East and and to perform. And you know,
he's he's allowed me to showcase my abilities at the

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high at the highest level of one of the best
conferences in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
You said you're a four point oh student. What's your majorment?

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Sports management?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Okay, right, so I mean what are you trying to do?
Be an agent, own your own agency. I mean, be
a future president of basketball operations at GM.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
What's the ultimate goal down the line?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I mean, if you sit here in my hoodie right here,
me and my dad got our own own academy. Really
just trying to you know, just help kids from third
world countries and really just you know, expand that platform
and try to introduce you know, not only basketball but
multiple sports, and you know, just give them the opportunity
to come over here. And you know it's not all
about you know, finding the next professional, but just give

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him a chance to you know, succeed in the future
and give them a better, better lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
You talked about people from you know, from third world countries,
of the spots obviously any any particular areas you're talgeting.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I mean mainly I got the flag right here, so
we're just trying to represent the you know, the Dominican
community as far as the Ecuadorian community, just big on
the Latin community, and you know it's just been a
that's also it's been a great blessing. You know, it's
to play in New York, the mecca basketball where you know,
Dominicans over back home they say, you know, they think
New York is a state of the United States. So

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I mean I think it's just great, you know to
put on and just get all that recognition and love
and you know this isld be a proud Hispanic kid.
That's you know, put it on for those those third
world countries, and it's just truly a blessing. And I'm
just trying to, you know, just just embrace the journey
and do the best that I can to get back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Keep doing your thing, man, Really really proud of You're
proud of the year that you have. Man, no matter
how it ended, you still had a great, great year.
All the best of you in the future moving forward.
I know you're gonna do big things. But man, our
j Luis Junior, appreciate you, man, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Appreciate, thank you. God bless all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Right, God bless Wish another but the best for that
young brother. Hope he gets everything that he's worked for.
We none of us ever want to be defined by
one of our worst moments. Just remember that had a
bad game, no doubt about that, But that doesn't define
him as a player. Let's make sure we remember that
as he marches forward and moves forward. A lot of

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people believe in this kid average eighteen the game. There
is a reason to do that, make no mistike about it,
and we wish him nothing but the best.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Our j Luise Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Hopefully that's not the last time we've heard from him.
I suspect it won't be. That's it for this edition
of the Stephen A. Smith Show. I'll see you in
a couple of days. I got more content to bring
your way, even from vacation. I won't let you down,
so stick around and make sure you catch me until Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Ladies and gentlemen, be some love.