March 6, 2025 • 40 mins
Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown.
Support the show: http://www.youtube.com/@stephenasmith
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to speak with the one
and only Candae Owens. For those of you who don't know,
she's a far right to pundit who's not afraid to
speak a mind on a variety of topics, even if
her stance is controversial. She's an African American with conservative views.
They usually don't sit well with a whole lot of people,
(00:27):
and I want to talk about that before we play
this interview. See on this show. One of the things
that have been transpiring over the last weeks and months
is that we've seen a lot of liberals come on
to this show. We've seen Eric Adams, the Man of
New York, on this show. We've seen Minority Leader in
(00:47):
the House, the one and only Hakeem Jeffries, the successor
to Nancy Pelosi. You just saw me interview former New
York governor candidate for the mayor seed of New York,
mister Andrew Cuomo. You've seen Chris Cuomo on this show
(01:08):
on many occasions. Bill o'riley's been on this show. Byron Donald,
representative out of the state of Florida, He's been on
this show. But when you see these folks and let
me not forget Wes Moore, the Governor of Maryland. He's
also been on this show. A lot of times. People
forget some of those guys. They remember others. Josh Shapiro
(01:30):
has been on the show, Governor of Pennsylvania. And from
what I'm being told, there's a whole bunch of people
on Capitol Hill that want to end up on this show,
and I'm honored to have them all.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I say all of that to say on this show,
this platform.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I pride myself on being fair minded. I'm not an
officionado when it comes to politics. I'm just a conscientious observer.
I read the news, I watch stuff on television. I
see what I see. I wonder about what's going on
based on the facts that are disseminated to us. I'm
able to deduce balls and strikes and how to call it,
and I go from there. With some people, that's not
(02:08):
good enough, my response is you're going to have to
get over it. I'm not here to be friends, not
here to make enemies either, but I am here to
be fair, and part of fairness is letting people speak
and giving them an opportunity to express their views, even when.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't agree. With them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
In the case of Candace Owens, we're gonna do that.
I got off for twenty five minutes. She's already promised
that she's coming back on and we're gonna have a
more lengthier discussion about all the things that entails Candace Owens,
what makes her who she is.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But why would I be interested in talking to her?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's not just because she's opposite to say, somebody like
a Roland Martin or an Arreva Martin, who have been analysts,
left wing analysts.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I might add that blessed me with their.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Presence on this show, but it's also to pique my
curiosity and it edify me to some degree. You see,
when I think about blacks who are conservatives, I see
a guy like Officer Tatum out there. I want to
meet that man. I don't want to talk to that man.
(03:21):
In terms of black conservatives, like an Officer Tatum, like
a Canvas Owned, and various others. They piqued my interest.
Do you know why? Because they deviate from the norm.
You see, when people make an argument against the Black
community and they say that we're monolithic and our thinking.
(03:45):
I don't like that when they say that eighty five
to ninety percent of.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The people in a black community are going.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
To vote democratically. Data has always unnerved me for a
few reasons. Number one, I remember when to B. Johnson
was quoted as saying, before nineteen sixty four civil rights
legislation was placed in the law. Put this through, Push
this legislation through. It will have the negroes vote for us.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
For the next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And I think about how divided society can be, how
divided communities can be. You can be Hispanic, you could
be Dominican, you could be Cuban, you could be Guatemali,
you could be Venezuelan, and you could be Puerto Rican,
you could be Mexican. It doesn't matter. You can't go
to all of them and say, oh, excuse me, we
got their vote.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You can't take them for granted.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't go to white too, are Catholics, white to
are Jewish and say oh.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
We got their vote.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You can't go to the Asian community and say, oh
we got their vote.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We got that a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But somehow, some way you could say that about us. So,
on one hand, we have a party which is a democratic party,
which at least some people in the black community believe
has taken us for granted because they know they.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Got to vote.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And then you got folks on the side of the
Conservatives who's saying, there's no way in hell were going
to get the black vote, so why worry about them?
And as a result, we end up being a disenfranchised community.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's the argument we were making before this passed election
back eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Nine years ago, Trump looked at America, Black America in particular,
and said, what do you have to lose? Fast forward
to twenty twenty four. He didn't have to say that,
because we saw a Democratic Party leaning significantly to the
progressive left with the rhetoric they were spewing, and it
(05:43):
cost them an election. How do we know that Trump
won all the swing states, His popularity increased within the
eighty nine percent of the counties in the United States
of America, His popularity increased within the black community, within
(06:07):
the Hispanic community.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And with young voters.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And for the first time in twenty years, a Republican
won the popular vote, not just the electoral college vote.
Sometimes that should give you cause to pause and to
stand up and pay attention and no wonder what's the.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Other side thinking.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Rather than challenge them on every single thing they think,
feel and spill, step back, simply ask the question and
listen to what they have to say, knowing there's another
day to get into a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's what I decided to do with Candice Owens. Say
what you will about her.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
She's smart as a whip, highly intelligent, very articulate, and
doesn't play. There will be times in the future where
hopefully she and I can get together and butt heads
over one issue or another, but this interview wasn't the
(07:18):
time for that. It was my first time ever meeting
her and speaking to her to my knowledge, and I
simply wanted to ask some questions out of curiosity, to
get her response and let that response be heard to
the masters, no judgment, no pushback. There would be another
(07:39):
time for that, not this interview now. With only twenty
five minutes with her, I just wanted to hear how
she would answer certain questions before I revisit those issues
and many more with her later. She promised to come back,
(08:00):
and I'm thankful for that. For now, Let's just listen
in here what she has to say. Your boy, Stephen A.
Smith with the one and only Candace Horns take a
look now. I want to start off by saying, I
am not responsible for any comments that are about to
be made.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I'm just interviewing.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I'm just listening and hearing from the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Per Se. Buckle up with the seat belt for this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
One, because my next guest is considered a controversial figure
known for her provocative statements and conservative views. She's built
a successful media brand, which includes a popular podcast and
a new book called Make Them a Sandwich Why Real
Women Don't Need Fake Feminism. Despite facing criticism and controversy,
she remains unapologetic and continues to push boundaries with her
(08:51):
content and her opinions. Please welcome to The stephen A.
Smith Show, the One and Only Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Candice, how are you? Pleasure to meet you? How's everything?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It is great and I'm actually so excited. I kept
this from your producer because it's too good for me
not to have told you as we're running live, because
this is a full circle moment. But I've actually met
you before. Okay, and my ex boyfriend many years ago
was a huge stephen A Smith. So we watched you
and Skip every single morning, and then we went to
(09:24):
a Knicks game, and.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
He was like, do you think you can get a
hand get him to give you a handshake?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And you were coming in under and like after the
game had ended, you were obviously in the front.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We were not that close. And I was.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like, Stephen I Smith, Stephen I Smith, please please shake.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
My hand, and then he caught it on camera and
then you gave.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Me a high five, and it basically made it made
our whole life, just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So you know, well, listen, I'm glad we have a
farm memory together. But it's a pleasure to meeting you.
And just for the record, you are not in enemy territory,
so I've.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Got a lot of questions to ask you.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
But before I even get into all of that, I
hear congratulations as an order mother of three expecting a
fourth child.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That is correct? Eight more weeks to go here. So
it's just a factory over here. And thank you very much.
It's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Absolutely congratulations to you and you and you and your
hubby and your family and everything like that. Wishing you
nothing but the best. Let's get right to it, Candice.
First things first, you know, when you saw the election
results take fold and you saw Donald Trump win the election,
popular vote, electoral college vote, et cetera, et cetera. What
were the thoughts that ran through your mind when you
(10:28):
saw the results transpiring?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know, I think that the first thing I thought
was that old school expression, it's the economy stupid. You know,
we've done a lot and everyone's screaming at each other
all the time. There's been all these social movements and
key versus her and black versus white. But at the
end of the day, people just weren't living well under
the Biden regime. I call it a regime, but it
(10:54):
it gets down to how was I living? What were
the gas prices? How expensive are groceries? Are you willing
to try something different? And I think genuinely, there's a
fatigue that is setting in, that has set in, that
was beginning to sort of percolate of people that are
just exhausted with being angry.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Do you know what I mean? Like the media constantly selling.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This guy's this, this guy's that, she's this, she's that.
I think we're all just tired and that's kind of
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you believe that Donald Trump won the election or
that the progressive left and their thought process, their policy,
some of the things that they were spewing. It was
more product of them losing. That's what I've been saying.
It wasn't about him winning. It was about America saying, nah,
he's closer to normal than what the hell we're hearing
over here.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
We don't like this, and that's what transpire. What do
you think it was?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You are completely on the money with that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It was really more that the left lost, and it
was a weird. It was very strange to watch Kamala run.
I will say that because she really only ran for
one hundred days, right, Trump had been running throughout four years,
basically kind of up a loss in twenty twenty, and
she kind of just comes in and.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It's almost like a coronation, which I think.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Was disrespectful to the left leading voter base, Like it
was just, well, he has kind of said he's knighted me,
and therefore I am the person that you should be electing.
And she didn't really work for and rather was I
think quite accusatory. If you don't elect her, it's because
you have an issue with women. I don't think Obama's
speech to the brothers, the quote unquote brothers helped him any.
(12:27):
He's he's been gone. He's in Martha's vineyard, living in
a house god knows how much it costs, not something
I could afford. And stead he kind of reappears to
sort of lecture the brothers about their responsibility, and I
just don't think it's sat well this time around, just
a different time, a different audience, and people kind of realizing, Hey,
that's not really enough. Paint me a vision, tell me
(12:48):
what you're actually going to do for me. Don't tell
me that it's just simply my responsibility to give this
woman votes because she's a woman.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I want to transition to Trump back to Trump in
this regard.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I we just saw it a world just so it
wasn't a press conference or anything like that. I don't
call it that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Him with Ukrainian President Zelensky and how he went at
him and what have you now Zalinski. If I remember correctly,
you didn't speak too highly of him, am I. I
want to make sure I'm calling you act accurately. You
called them a homosexual actor?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Is that true? Did you call him that?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I also just called him the neighborhood crackhead kind of
just goes around asking for money.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I've called him a welfare queen. Ghetto. This is the thing.
The media kind of had me depict it throughout.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
BLM as this person that uses these words to describe
black people.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, let's be very clear.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
When I am calling somebody like Zelensky a welfare queen,
there's a reason for that. You come here with your handout, asking, asking, asking,
making demands. It's funny because I was having a discussion
with my husband about this, and you know, it's people
that tend to need the most that make these sorts
of demands, and they're so arrogant. He's taken billions away,
unaccounted billions, by the way, So you and I have
(13:54):
to get to work because Zolenski wants his borders protected
and we can't have our borders protected because that would
be a race. This thing to ask for, but he's
allowed to demand that you and I get to work
because he spent all the billions.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
His wife is shopping in Paris.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The oligarchs in Ukraine are all buying yachts, and yeah,
I have absolutely no respect for him, but I want
to say I have not respected that man since day one.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This is not something that's new. I just I just
saw him coming.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's not something that's new. But what about Trump and
Dvance and how they conducted up sols. You and I
might disagree on this particular issue because I don't disagree
with what you're saying in terms of I was on
the record saying, listen, you're coming with your hand out.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You need money. You might you might not want to
be confrontation.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You might want to be a bit more diplomatic Zalisky,
because you're the one that's in need. And Trump wasn't
wrong when he said, oh, you don't have any of
the cause. You don't have any of the cause. The
flip side to it, however, is that the press conference in.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
We know if this is the White House, this isn't,
this isn't some place in Ukraine. And he's got broken English,
and you got the Vice president interrupted them, you got them.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I thought, somewhat bullying him.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
To some degree. I just didn't think it was necessary.
It was a good look. That's where I'm coming from.
Am I wrong and feeling Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
No, I think you're perfectly.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I mean, these are your feelings, they're valid, right, if
that's how you felt for me, I felt it was refreshing.
I'm so tired of politics. I know they always button
it up for us. They're constantly telling us, oh this,
and saying things that sound good but don't actually result
in good things. And I think it was sort of
the frustration of how much he has taken from America
to not come with some respect.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And I likened it too.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Even when you go to your granddad's house and it's
your birthday, your mom kind of makes you.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Wear something special.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know he's going to give you a car and
slip some cash in there, one hundred dollars. Granddad's always
good for that, and you just come with some decorum
and some respect. This dude is wearing he has been
wearing military fatigues for like five years. Now, okay, put
on a suit. As soon as he gets out of
the car. Trump's like, well, he's drum addressed up.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
This should let you know.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It's just signal to the public that what he's doing
is an act. Why give me a scenario, a reason
why he can't put on a suit, even if you're
in the midst of a war, Why can't you put
on a suit?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
When you're coming to ask for money.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, because he wants people to see him as a
guy that's downtrodden in the trenches.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And he's not that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
This guy's been on the cover of Vanity Fair, he's
been on the cover of Vogue, He's been on the
cover of Forbes. He's doing photo shoots, he did a
three hour podcast with Lex Friedman. He asked and was
declined a spot to go to the Oscars a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And so this is making a mockery. It's just making
them put on a suit.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
See you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now, this is why, this is why people gotta be
careful about messing with you, Because I was.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Getting ready to disagree with you until.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You threw out those last thing. I didn't know he
tried to go to the Oscars. I didn't know he
tried to be uncomfort I didn't know that stuff. Candas,
I honestly didn't know. Okay, that does change it a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's a literal actor, by the way. You know that
that I know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That, I know that, I know what.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I will say this on any sympathy for the fact
that Russia did attack his nation.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean that that there's some sympathy for that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right, we see the rubble, we see the catastrophe that
is Ukraine. We've seen Putin bombing them for crying no,
and we've seen that happen, right.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So the thing for me is, and the reason why
I say that I've been I've had this opinion since
the very beginning, is I don't rely on politicians.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I think all politicians lie.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And so I was reading the transcripts leading up to
this moment of Putin's speeches and Biden's speeches and trying
to discern what the truth was, and Putin was saying,
you guys gave us assurances that NATO was not going
to expand one inch eastward into our territory. Essentially, NATO
is a military. We were putting a military on his border.
Despite in nineteen eighty nine when the Berlin Wall came
(17:20):
down as a condition an agreement for them to agree
to take down the Berlin Wall, we promised and you
can go look at this inn NSA declassified documents. James
Baker was the Secretary of State at that time. We
promised them that we would never move NATO eastward. So
you have to imagine the memory that they have, and
(17:41):
they're going, why are you now doing that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
All of a sudden, we're saying that Ukraine is going
to join NATO, and he's saying this is unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
America can't keep changing its mind.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And so when I was able to validate what he
said and to read the speeches, you cannot walk away
from that without an understanding that we are the aggressors.
Everything that we say Russia is doing, recreating the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We are doing that. What is the European Union? What
is NATO?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And we've been getting away for it for too long
under this guise of quote unquote spreading democracy. So I
fundamentally disagreed with what I saw as Western propaganda trying
to paint Puntin as a monster for holding us to
our promises and not telling the public that he just
randomly woke up one day and just said I want
you know, I want to do hood rests up with
my friends and he went into Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's not that's a fairy tale. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And not beyond that, like you saw when he sat
down with Tucker Carlson, he asked to join NATO himself.
Why are we not having a productive relationship with Russia.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I call that Cold War hangover.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
People that grew up under their desks afraid of a
nuclear bomb can never see Russia outside of being villainous
and quite frankly, I think Zelensky is a He suspended elections,
he's locked down churches, he's locked up nuns.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'm a Christian. I don't like this guy at all.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Can as always being quite honest, I get that part.
Let me transition to you, specifically to get to the
real reason I wanted you on this podcast. First, before
I even get into that, I want to ask you.
I know your voice is very, very powerful. For those
of you who don't know, top ten on Spotify, I mean,
you're one of the top podcasters in the nation, if
(19:19):
not the world. I know everybody tries to listen to you,
and they should because you are not an idiot. You
know what the hell you're talking about, and you can
challenge anybody, and I give you credit for that. I
got to ask, however, though, leading up to the election,
your voice was far more conspicuous in the past, over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Than it was right before the election.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Am I wrong in saying that? And if I'm writing
saying that why was that?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, so there were some life changes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Obviously, I was pretty publicly fired, so there was a
lot of things that I was just doing, trying to
start my own business and to get back onto the airwaves.
But going back to what I said earlier, I have
had sort of a fatigue with politics, you know. I
was quite bored really with the same arguments. I need
a little bit of a challenge, and for me, I
just I like people to argue things honestly. Whatever your
(20:07):
opinion is, it's totally fine, but just let's argue honestly
and not use all the same rhetoric. And so to
be this far into it's is like the third time
Trump is running and we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Oh, everyone who supports him is a racist, is sexist.
I'm just bored, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And I've always, by the way, been very passionate about culture, vaccines.
I'm also a mom now, so in the beginning I
was married, I had no children. Now my interests have
naturally shifted since becoming a parent, and so I think
people are seeing more sides of me.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And in many ways, I'm growing up.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Publicly, and it's been refreshing, you know, refreshing to kind
of take people on the journey and to show people
that I'm not just a Trump supporter, which the media
did a very good job of painting that caricature of me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You don't think that's an act. You don't think that's
an ad.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't want to call it a caricature, but you
don't think that's an accurate description of you as being
a Trump supporter.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
No, I am a Trump supporter, but I'm not just
a Trump supp And I think in the beginning they
kind of made it seem like I was always angry,
always talking bad about black people, which is like any
person that listens to my podcast, white people get it
ten times worse. But the media will only pluck a
clip when I'm speaking about a black issue and then it's, oh,
there she is again saying stuff about black people. They
(21:18):
did a very good job of conditioning I would say,
the public, just via the mainstream media and flashy headlines,
to think that I had, like they call me like
a self hating black person.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It was completely wild. It was out of it was
out of control.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, listen, this is the thing, and this is the
thing that gets me in trouble because obviously me being
a black man, b being a centrist sort of center
left as opposed to center right. I've been one that
was inclined to vote democratic, you know, at least for
the presidency for the vast majority of my life. If
it was anybody other than Trump, I think I would
have voted conservative this time around, I'm sort of becoming
even more enlightened.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm gonna use that word.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Because I was so disgusted with the left and what
I saw. My patience is run thin at times. And
then I've listened to you over the years and the
things that I didn't like is like, will you just
describe what people would say about you? And I'm saying, well,
wait a minute, is she wrong? What is she saying
that you disagree? How Come you can't say you disagree
(22:13):
with and make your points as to why like she does,
as opposed to just attacking her. Which brings me to
my next question, what's it like being a black conservative
in America?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Nobody better how asked this question than you.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier than it
was when I first got into this back in twenty fifteen,
because people that was the first time they saw Trump
and people just could not see past how could this
possibly happen. I think the media had a stronger hold
on people's minds then that it does now.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Now we've seen the explosion of independent media.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
People are able to get their voices out outside of
the New York Times and CNN and Fox News, and
that's helped tremendously to defeat all of these media caricatures
that are being created.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
But I find it now it's pioneering.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To put it in a nice way, and I think
it's the most rewarding thing ever, when what I have
found is that if you just stand for truth, even
in the beginning when it's really hard and people say
terrible things about you and I've been called everything you
could possibly imagine, then there's that moment, even if it
takes years, where they they do come back and they
say you were right, particularly about BLM. I mean, I
(23:20):
was hitting the drum about the finances so early, and
I'm going this like, I'm not saying that you don't
have feelings about this thing, but I am telling you
something else is going on and this is not This
is going to harm the black community in the end,
this money is just going to be zapped out of communities,
and communities are going to be destroyed. And then when
that was proven right, it was so refreshing to hear
people say, yeah, we kind of hated her for a
(23:41):
really long time. We're kind of saying this for a
really long time. And then you know the fraud of
Patrice's colors and what they were doing with the money,
and so my brain just works differently. I am different,
and I'm happy being different. I don't want to be
the same, but I also do respect. I think I've
learned in the process as well, is to just respect
where people are at.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
You know, I wasn't. My sisters did not like where
I was at when I started.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
How many how many? How many sisters do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I have two sisters and they're they're my best friends.
So one is a year older, ones a year younger.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So I grew up. Were like a trio.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
They stay with you, they gives you, they stand with you. Huh.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, they just didn't really care to me. That's Candice.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I've always been different, you know, and they didn't know
what I was on or what I was thinking. And
now this last election, they voted for Trump, which is crazy,
Like that means they were fully on the left and
they just sort of saw it, and so it's just
been cool to see that and they now like my podcast.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Before they didn't even listen to it, but we always had.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I grew up obviously in a not obviously, but my
family's has a great sense of humor. And that was
one of the worst things they hated about BLM is
that I've always thought that black people culturally like we're like,
we're the funniest, We're the funniest. You always want to
go listen to Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, and you saw
that removal where everything was just taken so seriously, were
so easily offended, And I hated it that I thought
(25:00):
the best parts of what the black culture represented to
me growing up was removed. And for me and my sisters,
they never cared. Like I'd be like, can you watch
my cat? I have to go to a Trump thing,
and my sister would be like, oh, you're going to
another one of your clansmen rallies, Like yeah, I'll watch
your cat.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know, it's always a joke.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, And I get it, And I guess for me
because I think about it, and I remember when you
showed up.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I believe it was in Paris.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You were with Kanye West, and you were wearing the
White Lives Matters, White Lives Matter shirt and what have you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I said, damn, And I was upset. I was
actually upset at you.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And here's why, Candas, because I looked at it and
I said, no, don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You can sit up there and you can talk to
folks about your views, what you know and educate folks
without them being closed minded because they saw something and
visualized something and automatically deemed that you were.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Against us as a people.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I mean, as you reflect on a moment like
that and you talk about the black community and politics, how.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Do you feel, how do you gauge what's the.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right thing to do and what's not the right thing
to do?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You know, for me, the discussion and polite discussion, it
doesn't work. I have found that you can go back
and watch me on stage with TI and Killer Mike,
and it doesn't work with the black community. And I
have a theory on this, and I think partially it's
because we have this instance of father absence, but that we.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
There's a lot of attitudes.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
There's a lot of attitudes, and if you try to
come politely, you're just gonna get disrespected. And so in
terms of the white Lives Matter shirt, first off, Kanye,
that's how he communicates. He communicates with art. That's like,
this was Kanye's thing that I was stepping into. But
I understood what he was saying there because he is
someone that does not like no one puts Kanye in
the corner. No one tells Kanye what he has to be.
(26:44):
And so when you start saying, oh, I'm going to
superimpose you just being a black victim on someone like
Kanye West. And you know, he hated when white people
would come up to him and say black lives matter.
So he's like, Okay, you want to patronize me, let
me patronize you.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Your life matters.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Too, Like oh yeah, like white white lives matter too,
and I want you to know that white lives matter,
your life matters. He never liked that, uh yeah, the
patronization of it. And so I and I felt the
same way, and we communicate differently. I usually am using
more bombastic words, but that moment, to me, especially as
someone who grew up and really Kanye's music kind of
(27:21):
gave me the courage to be myself, to have to
be an archetype of what a black woman should be.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It was.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It was a moment for me that I reflect on
very fondly. And yeah, it broke the internet and there
it started a lot of conversations. But imagine if black
people were just like, yeah, every time I saw a
white person, I'm with your white life matters.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's just there's something about it. I just don't like.
It wasn't from me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You brought up the use of bombastic words.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You used that with George Floyd as well, who was
murdered by a police officer in Minnesota, and obviously a
lot of people in the black community had a real
problem with you as it pertained to that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That brings me to this question, when you take these positions,
does it enter your mind.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't want to use the word vitriol because I
think that's a bit too strong and that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
To you and I don't want to do that. But
when you consider the fact that so.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Many people in the black community have voted democratic senis
the civil rights legislation in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Remember what Linda B.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Johnson said that, you know, did you pass this legislation
and we'll have the negroes vote for us for the
next two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Remember that statement. I know, I remember that statement. I'm wondering,
because of.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Your knowledge of politics, your obvious knowledge of the issues,
when you speak on these things and you take positions
about you take such positions, particularly if it's antithetical or
the antithesis of what the black community will point to,
do you think about it and do so on purpose?
Because dare I say you're disgusted with us as a
(28:43):
community for being hoodwinked by the Democratic Party in your eyes?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Is that possible?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So that's a very good question, and disgusted would not
be the right term for it. Frustrated, yes, and constantly
trying to give people the facts so that they understand
and that we Lyndon Bange Johnson was an avowed racist
and he hated us, and yet we are doing everything
that he wanted us to do.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
We are reacting emotionally and not rationally. We seem to
be a stereotype of irrationality.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Actually, all we have to do is make them feel
something and they won't react.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And I want to be clear, it's not just Black Americans.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
The Me Too movement was another manifestation of that very
you know, That's why I'm doing with Harvey Weinstein series.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
But what really does upset me about the black.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Community is that the manner in which we defend criminals,
you will not find this in any other community. Okay,
so black, black, white, white person gets shot killed unarmed.
They're not coming out. White people are not coming out
and burning down their own neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Right, they're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Did you see the black community attack me for going
off about oh JB is celebrated.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They conditioned us to actually defend the worst in our communities.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
They just will let it go.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
You think Chinese people are gonna run outside if they're like,
well this and this guy was high on fentanel, he
gotten to brush up with police officers and he died.
Chinese people will be like especially Asian Asian moms are
just dead serious.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
They'd be like, you idiot, you know, good for you,
So you're you're an embarrassment. Never come home. This is
how Asian women are.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
They have a standard you think Jewish people are coming
outside and gonna, you know, rally around, and you know
they all know that they think of as like a
natural process. We don't want to associate with that. And
we have the exact opposite mindset. And when I say
the exact opposite, I mean also the reverse of that,
being that the most educated and the most accomplished people
in our community in terms of their intellect.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
We reject. How can we ever get ahead?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh, Conda, Liz a Rice. No, she's a trader. She's
an uncle Tom. Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, He's a trader.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's an uncle Tom.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Doctor Ben Carson, a literal brain surgeon. Black people will
call him stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So there's no way Black America can get ahead with that,
With that backwards mindset where you put you put George
Floyd on a T shirt and you denigrate and disrespect
someone like Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'm just not with it. You know, you got a.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
New platform called Club Canvas, and I'm wondering how important
is you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I know it's you're.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Going to speak your truth. You have proven that time
and Tom and Tom again. Okay, but in the process
of doing. So, as you have this new platform, how
important is it for you, if at all, to reach
and resonate with the black community or to really really
provoke change all across the board, particularly in the United
(31:34):
States of America.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Where do you lie with that?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yef?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The number one thing is for me to reach people
who want to hear the truth, and so that comes
in all different shapes and sizes and colors, and our
demographics have really changed or just it's very mixed people
all around the world like I have. Shockingly, I would
say in Africa they absolutely love me. I mean, like
the amount of Nigerian to listen to my podcast Daily Uganda.
So it's not a color thing. It's important for me
(31:58):
to get information out there I don't think would otherwise
be available. So with Club Candace, you know, I have
my vaccine series. I am quote unquote anti VAXX. Don't
vaccinate my children, and I want people to know why.
I want people, especially if you want to talk about
something Black Americans should learn about, it's the vaccine industry.
We were targeted, you know, what was sent over to
Africa to experiment and make people infertile. Hispanic women, Native
(32:21):
Americans and black Americans were experiments on and this is
the stuff that matters. And so also, obviously the book
club to introduce him to the books that I read
outside of the school system that kind of helped forge
a lot of my opinions, a lot of my political opinions.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
And so that's really fun that we meet every two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And so it's you just getting kind of whatever goes
on in this headquarters of crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It's all happening at club Candice.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Make them a sandwich. Why real women don't need fake feminism?
Explain that title, please.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
We just need to destroy the feminist movement. It's just
so toxic. And I think that on the heels of
Kamala's loss. And you know this, women are unhappy because
they're being told to compete with men.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
We are not like men.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We are not built like men biologically, mentally, physically, we
are just not men. And the idea that to be
equal in society I have to have the same aspirations
as a man is going to be something that makes
women chronically unhappy, which is what we're dealing with today
and learning the real history of feminism and I'm mimicking
Gloria Stein. I'm a famed photo of her, who was
actually a CIA operative, will wake people up to the
(33:26):
fact that these decisions that you're being that are being
told to you of Like, yes, feminist movement was amazing.
Was the CIA looking for a way to tax household
wholesold households two ways? And it has not led to
the enriching of the household. It has not led to
the enriching of our life experiences. And the biggest joys
in my life are being able to be at home
(33:47):
with my children and my husband, and I'm just tired
of being told that that makes me somehow backwards.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You got to defend men.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, you go, hey, listen, I'm not compleatly. I'm not
complay about that matter a little bit, al right. You
reach interviewed former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein from prison. Why
did you want to talk to him and what was
the most surprising thing you.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Got from it?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I have been a hater of the me two movementsince
Stay one, even before I had sons and now I
have three. I knew that we need due process and
watching men lose their entire lives on the basis of
an allegation, and I could have literally ruined your life, Stephen.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I could have been like he touched my.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Hand at that NIXT game and I remember this and
cro you've been done, canceled over forever. And that's wrong, okay,
because women lie, men lie, women lie, facts don't lie,
and we need due process. And so the Harvey Weinstea case,
someone brought it to me and said, take a look
at it.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
And I actually thought he was.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Guilty when I first got on the phone with him
in prison and were totally on different sides of the
political spectrum. But a friend had reached out and said,
I think you'll be the only person that will actually
take a look at this and tell the truth. And
I've just always been committed to telling the truth and
it is my belief. And I think that once I
show the public the facts of this case, that Harvey
Weinstein was wrongfully convicted and his a CASI just got
(35:01):
overturned in New York as it should have, and now
it's being sent back down in the appellate courts. He
got so it's got to be retried, and I just
want the We got to go back to the beginning.
We got to put this genie back into the bottle
and back into the me too bottle, and it all
begins with Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And so I'm really excited about bringing that series for it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Got you before I let you get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know, my producers and my issue mispronounced Kamala Harris's
name twice.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I want to make sure you didn't do that on purpose.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
No, I just don't know how what is it? Is it?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Kamala, Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Kamala.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Hass That's what I said. I said Kamala this right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm just well, don't worry about it. It's okay, It's
all right, you said Kamala, but don't worry about it
in terms of me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
She's got an issue.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Listen, I know you gotta go. Thank you for your time.
I just want to say one thing to you. I've
interviewed a lot of liberals on this show. I'm telling
the conservatives they're welcome on the show too. If I'm wrong, correctly,
if I'm right, agree with me, I have no I'm
not in this game contrary to what they've been right
about it. I like being fair minded and giving everybody
(35:58):
an equal platform. Rest themselves, and I appreciate you taking
the time to come on the show. I really thank
you for it, and you're welcome back on the show anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I would love to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Like I said, this feels so full circle to me,
from the high five to this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Works for me. You take care of yourself all the best.
I want to get in to what we just heard
from Candice Hounds. Okay, be clear, I'm fully aware. You
heard her comments about Kanye, you heard her answering my question,
you heard the way she answered my question about George Floyd.
(36:32):
The primary reason I wanted her on this show was
because I was curious as to how she felt as
a black conservative, particularly as it pertained to black people,
because of the vitriol that I've seen aimed in her direction.
(36:55):
Are there times where I feel that she's a bit abrasive?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Are I feel she's that way unnecessarily so? Yeah, Even
she acknowledged she just don't have time, the mother three,
expecting a fourth kid, preoccupied with a lot of things
that occupy ourselves in life, and she don't have patience
intolerance for nonsense and games. That's how she feels. Everybody
(37:24):
has their feelings. We have a right to disagree. And again,
when we have a lengthier discussion, I will most certainly
be a bit more probing and challenging. This wasn't the
time for that, my first time meeting her, my first
time talking to her. I wanted to hear what she
had to say, and I wanted to hear the perspective
(37:45):
that she provided to the masters out there, and how
unapologetic she is in doing so.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I got that, and I appreciate it, because.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Here's what I want everybody to understand, and I want
us to understand that we'll never get far till we
learn to do this, no matter what our emotional state
of mind is, no matter how turned off we might
be over the things that people say and a manner.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
In which they say it. Yes it's true. Every truth
ain't meant to be heard. Yes it's true.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Sometimes it is about the way you say something instead
of what you're just saying.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But far more often than not, the truth is supposed
to usurp everything.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And when that young lady speaks, don't even think about
challenging her intelligence. Don't even think about challenging her ability
to articulate her point of view. You better know what
the hell you're talking about when you come at her.
(38:57):
That's what I take away, just as much as anything else.
I can't wait until she and I sit face to
face one day and volley back and forth about what
we feel, what we believe, what we stand for, and why.
Cause I'm certainly different than her when it comes to
(39:20):
some political positions she has taken and beyond. There is
no doubt about that. But I can't deny. She's sharp
as attack, and you damn well better be if you
gonna come for her. Because ladies and gentlemen like it
or not, Candice owns she's not going anywhere, even when
(39:44):
you thought she was gone. She's around number eight on
Spotify's list of podcasts and climbing, and she's in her thirties.
She's not going away. No matter what summer you want,
She's not going away.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Deal with that. If not, I get the impression she
will make you
Yesterday, I had the opportunity to speak with the one
and only Candae Owens. For those of you who don't know,
she's a far right to pundit who's not afraid to
speak a mind on a variety of topics, even if
her stance is controversial. She's an African American with conservative views.
They usually don't sit well with a whole lot of people,
(00:27):
and I want to talk about that before we play
this interview. See on this show. One of the things
that have been transpiring over the last weeks and months
is that we've seen a lot of liberals come on
to this show. We've seen Eric Adams, the Man of
New York, on this show. We've seen Minority Leader in
(00:47):
the House, the one and only Hakeem Jeffries, the successor
to Nancy Pelosi. You just saw me interview former New
York governor candidate for the mayor seed of New York,
mister Andrew Cuomo. You've seen Chris Cuomo on this show
(01:08):
on many occasions. Bill o'riley's been on this show. Byron Donald,
representative out of the state of Florida, He's been on
this show. But when you see these folks and let
me not forget Wes Moore, the Governor of Maryland. He's
also been on this show. A lot of times. People
forget some of those guys. They remember others. Josh Shapiro
(01:30):
has been on the show, Governor of Pennsylvania. And from
what I'm being told, there's a whole bunch of people
on Capitol Hill that want to end up on this show,
and I'm honored to have them all.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I say all of that to say on this show,
this platform.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I pride myself on being fair minded. I'm not an
officionado when it comes to politics. I'm just a conscientious observer.
I read the news, I watch stuff on television. I
see what I see. I wonder about what's going on
based on the facts that are disseminated to us. I'm
able to deduce balls and strikes and how to call it,
and I go from there. With some people, that's not
(02:08):
good enough, my response is you're going to have to
get over it. I'm not here to be friends, not
here to make enemies either, but I am here to
be fair, and part of fairness is letting people speak
and giving them an opportunity to express their views, even when.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't agree. With them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
In the case of Candace Owens, we're gonna do that.
I got off for twenty five minutes. She's already promised
that she's coming back on and we're gonna have a
more lengthier discussion about all the things that entails Candace Owens,
what makes her who she is.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But why would I be interested in talking to her?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's not just because she's opposite to say, somebody like
a Roland Martin or an Arreva Martin, who have been analysts,
left wing analysts.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I might add that blessed me with their.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Presence on this show, but it's also to pique my
curiosity and it edify me to some degree. You see,
when I think about blacks who are conservatives, I see
a guy like Officer Tatum out there. I want to
meet that man. I don't want to talk to that man.
(03:21):
In terms of black conservatives, like an Officer Tatum, like
a Canvas Owned, and various others. They piqued my interest.
Do you know why? Because they deviate from the norm.
You see, when people make an argument against the Black
community and they say that we're monolithic and our thinking.
(03:45):
I don't like that when they say that eighty five
to ninety percent of.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
The people in a black community are going.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
To vote democratically. Data has always unnerved me for a
few reasons. Number one, I remember when to B. Johnson
was quoted as saying, before nineteen sixty four civil rights
legislation was placed in the law. Put this through, Push
this legislation through. It will have the negroes vote for us.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
For the next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And I think about how divided society can be, how
divided communities can be. You can be Hispanic, you could
be Dominican, you could be Cuban, you could be Guatemali,
you could be Venezuelan, and you could be Puerto Rican,
you could be Mexican. It doesn't matter. You can't go
to all of them and say, oh, excuse me, we
got their vote.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You can't take them for granted.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't go to white too, are Catholics, white to
are Jewish and say oh.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
We got their vote.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You can't go to the Asian community and say, oh
we got their vote.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We got that a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But somehow, some way you could say that about us. So,
on one hand, we have a party which is a democratic party,
which at least some people in the black community believe
has taken us for granted because they know they.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Got to vote.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And then you got folks on the side of the
Conservatives who's saying, there's no way in hell were going
to get the black vote, so why worry about them?
And as a result, we end up being a disenfranchised community.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's the argument we were making before this passed election
back eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Nine years ago, Trump looked at America, Black America in particular,
and said, what do you have to lose? Fast forward
to twenty twenty four. He didn't have to say that,
because we saw a Democratic Party leaning significantly to the
progressive left with the rhetoric they were spewing, and it
(05:43):
cost them an election. How do we know that Trump
won all the swing states, His popularity increased within the
eighty nine percent of the counties in the United States
of America, His popularity increased within the black community, within
(06:07):
the Hispanic community.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And with young voters.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And for the first time in twenty years, a Republican
won the popular vote, not just the electoral college vote.
Sometimes that should give you cause to pause and to
stand up and pay attention and no wonder what's the.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Other side thinking.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Rather than challenge them on every single thing they think,
feel and spill, step back, simply ask the question and
listen to what they have to say, knowing there's another
day to get into a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's what I decided to do with Candice Owens. Say
what you will about her.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
She's smart as a whip, highly intelligent, very articulate, and
doesn't play. There will be times in the future where
hopefully she and I can get together and butt heads
over one issue or another, but this interview wasn't the
(07:18):
time for that. It was my first time ever meeting
her and speaking to her to my knowledge, and I
simply wanted to ask some questions out of curiosity, to
get her response and let that response be heard to
the masters, no judgment, no pushback. There would be another
(07:39):
time for that, not this interview now. With only twenty
five minutes with her, I just wanted to hear how
she would answer certain questions before I revisit those issues
and many more with her later. She promised to come back,
(08:00):
and I'm thankful for that. For now, Let's just listen
in here what she has to say. Your boy, Stephen A.
Smith with the one and only Candace Horns take a
look now. I want to start off by saying, I
am not responsible for any comments that are about to
be made.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I'm just interviewing.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I'm just listening and hearing from the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Per Se. Buckle up with the seat belt for this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
One, because my next guest is considered a controversial figure
known for her provocative statements and conservative views. She's built
a successful media brand, which includes a popular podcast and
a new book called Make Them a Sandwich Why Real
Women Don't Need Fake Feminism. Despite facing criticism and controversy,
she remains unapologetic and continues to push boundaries with her
(08:51):
content and her opinions. Please welcome to The stephen A.
Smith Show, the One and Only Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Candice, how are you? Pleasure to meet you? How's everything?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It is great and I'm actually so excited. I kept
this from your producer because it's too good for me
not to have told you as we're running live, because
this is a full circle moment. But I've actually met
you before. Okay, and my ex boyfriend many years ago
was a huge stephen A Smith. So we watched you
and Skip every single morning, and then we went to
(09:24):
a Knicks game, and.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
He was like, do you think you can get a
hand get him to give you a handshake?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And you were coming in under and like after the
game had ended, you were obviously in the front.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We were not that close. And I was.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like, Stephen I Smith, Stephen I Smith, please please shake.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
My hand, and then he caught it on camera and
then you gave.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Me a high five, and it basically made it made
our whole life, just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So you know, well, listen, I'm glad we have a
farm memory together. But it's a pleasure to meeting you.
And just for the record, you are not in enemy territory,
so I've.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Got a lot of questions to ask you.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
But before I even get into all of that, I
hear congratulations as an order mother of three expecting a
fourth child.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That is correct? Eight more weeks to go here. So
it's just a factory over here. And thank you very much.
It's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Absolutely congratulations to you and you and you and your
hubby and your family and everything like that. Wishing you
nothing but the best. Let's get right to it, Candice.
First things first, you know, when you saw the election
results take fold and you saw Donald Trump win the election,
popular vote, electoral college vote, et cetera, et cetera. What
were the thoughts that ran through your mind when you
(10:28):
saw the results transpiring?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know, I think that the first thing I thought
was that old school expression, it's the economy stupid. You know,
we've done a lot and everyone's screaming at each other
all the time. There's been all these social movements and
key versus her and black versus white. But at the
end of the day, people just weren't living well under
the Biden regime. I call it a regime, but it
(10:54):
it gets down to how was I living? What were
the gas prices? How expensive are groceries? Are you willing
to try something different? And I think genuinely, there's a
fatigue that is setting in, that has set in, that
was beginning to sort of percolate of people that are
just exhausted with being angry.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Do you know what I mean? Like the media constantly selling.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This guy's this, this guy's that, she's this, she's that.
I think we're all just tired and that's kind of
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you believe that Donald Trump won the election or
that the progressive left and their thought process, their policy,
some of the things that they were spewing. It was
more product of them losing. That's what I've been saying.
It wasn't about him winning. It was about America saying, nah,
he's closer to normal than what the hell we're hearing
over here.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
We don't like this, and that's what transpire. What do
you think it was?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You are completely on the money with that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It was really more that the left lost, and it
was a weird. It was very strange to watch Kamala run.
I will say that because she really only ran for
one hundred days, right, Trump had been running throughout four years,
basically kind of up a loss in twenty twenty, and
she kind of just comes in and.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It's almost like a coronation, which I think.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Was disrespectful to the left leading voter base, Like it
was just, well, he has kind of said he's knighted me,
and therefore I am the person that you should be electing.
And she didn't really work for and rather was I
think quite accusatory. If you don't elect her, it's because
you have an issue with women. I don't think Obama's
speech to the brothers, the quote unquote brothers helped him any.
(12:27):
He's he's been gone. He's in Martha's vineyard, living in
a house god knows how much it costs, not something
I could afford. And stead he kind of reappears to
sort of lecture the brothers about their responsibility, and I
just don't think it's sat well this time around, just
a different time, a different audience, and people kind of realizing, Hey,
that's not really enough. Paint me a vision, tell me
(12:48):
what you're actually going to do for me. Don't tell
me that it's just simply my responsibility to give this
woman votes because she's a woman.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I want to transition to Trump back to Trump in
this regard.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I we just saw it a world just so it
wasn't a press conference or anything like that. I don't
call it that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Him with Ukrainian President Zelensky and how he went at
him and what have you now Zalinski. If I remember correctly,
you didn't speak too highly of him, am I. I
want to make sure I'm calling you act accurately. You
called them a homosexual actor?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Is that true? Did you call him that?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I also just called him the neighborhood crackhead kind of
just goes around asking for money.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I've called him a welfare queen. Ghetto. This is the thing.
The media kind of had me depict it throughout.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
BLM as this person that uses these words to describe
black people.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, let's be very clear.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
When I am calling somebody like Zelensky a welfare queen,
there's a reason for that. You come here with your handout, asking, asking, asking,
making demands. It's funny because I was having a discussion
with my husband about this, and you know, it's people
that tend to need the most that make these sorts
of demands, and they're so arrogant. He's taken billions away,
unaccounted billions, by the way, So you and I have
(13:54):
to get to work because Zolenski wants his borders protected
and we can't have our borders protected because that would
be a race. This thing to ask for, but he's
allowed to demand that you and I get to work
because he spent all the billions.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
His wife is shopping in Paris.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The oligarchs in Ukraine are all buying yachts, and yeah,
I have absolutely no respect for him, but I want
to say I have not respected that man since day one.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
This is not something that's new. I just I just
saw him coming.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's not something that's new. But what about Trump and
Dvance and how they conducted up sols. You and I
might disagree on this particular issue because I don't disagree
with what you're saying in terms of I was on
the record saying, listen, you're coming with your hand out.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You need money. You might you might not want to
be confrontation.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You might want to be a bit more diplomatic Zalisky,
because you're the one that's in need. And Trump wasn't
wrong when he said, oh, you don't have any of
the cause. You don't have any of the cause. The
flip side to it, however, is that the press conference in.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
We know if this is the White House, this isn't,
this isn't some place in Ukraine. And he's got broken English,
and you got the Vice president interrupted them, you got them.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I thought, somewhat bullying him.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
To some degree. I just didn't think it was necessary.
It was a good look. That's where I'm coming from.
Am I wrong and feeling Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
No, I think you're perfectly.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I mean, these are your feelings, they're valid, right, if
that's how you felt for me, I felt it was refreshing.
I'm so tired of politics. I know they always button
it up for us. They're constantly telling us, oh this,
and saying things that sound good but don't actually result
in good things. And I think it was sort of
the frustration of how much he has taken from America
to not come with some respect.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And I likened it too.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Even when you go to your granddad's house and it's
your birthday, your mom kind of makes you.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Wear something special.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know he's going to give you a car and
slip some cash in there, one hundred dollars. Granddad's always
good for that, and you just come with some decorum
and some respect. This dude is wearing he has been
wearing military fatigues for like five years. Now, okay, put
on a suit. As soon as he gets out of
the car. Trump's like, well, he's drum addressed up.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
This should let you know.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
It's just signal to the public that what he's doing
is an act. Why give me a scenario, a reason
why he can't put on a suit, even if you're
in the midst of a war, Why can't you put
on a suit?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
When you're coming to ask for money.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Well, because he wants people to see him as a
guy that's downtrodden in the trenches.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And he's not that.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
This guy's been on the cover of Vanity Fair, he's
been on the cover of Vogue, He's been on the
cover of Forbes. He's doing photo shoots, he did a
three hour podcast with Lex Friedman. He asked and was
declined a spot to go to the Oscars a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And so this is making a mockery. It's just making
them put on a suit.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
See you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now, this is why, this is why people gotta be
careful about messing with you, Because I was.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Getting ready to disagree with you until.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You threw out those last thing. I didn't know he
tried to go to the Oscars. I didn't know he
tried to be uncomfort I didn't know that stuff. Candas,
I honestly didn't know. Okay, that does change it a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's a literal actor, by the way. You know that
that I know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That, I know that, I know what.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I will say this on any sympathy for the fact
that Russia did attack his nation.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean that that there's some sympathy for that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right, we see the rubble, we see the catastrophe that
is Ukraine. We've seen Putin bombing them for crying no,
and we've seen that happen, right.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So the thing for me is, and the reason why
I say that I've been I've had this opinion since
the very beginning, is I don't rely on politicians.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I think all politicians lie.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
And so I was reading the transcripts leading up to
this moment of Putin's speeches and Biden's speeches and trying
to discern what the truth was, and Putin was saying,
you guys gave us assurances that NATO was not going
to expand one inch eastward into our territory. Essentially, NATO
is a military. We were putting a military on his border.
Despite in nineteen eighty nine when the Berlin Wall came
(17:20):
down as a condition an agreement for them to agree
to take down the Berlin Wall, we promised and you
can go look at this inn NSA declassified documents. James
Baker was the Secretary of State at that time. We
promised them that we would never move NATO eastward. So
you have to imagine the memory that they have, and
(17:41):
they're going, why are you now doing that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
All of a sudden, we're saying that Ukraine is going
to join NATO, and he's saying this is unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
America can't keep changing its mind.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And so when I was able to validate what he
said and to read the speeches, you cannot walk away
from that without an understanding that we are the aggressors.
Everything that we say Russia is doing, recreating the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We are doing that. What is the European Union? What
is NATO?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And we've been getting away for it for too long
under this guise of quote unquote spreading democracy. So I
fundamentally disagreed with what I saw as Western propaganda trying
to paint Puntin as a monster for holding us to
our promises and not telling the public that he just
randomly woke up one day and just said I want
you know, I want to do hood rests up with
my friends and he went into Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's not that's a fairy tale. That's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And not beyond that, like you saw when he sat
down with Tucker Carlson, he asked to join NATO himself.
Why are we not having a productive relationship with Russia.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I call that Cold War hangover.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
People that grew up under their desks afraid of a
nuclear bomb can never see Russia outside of being villainous
and quite frankly, I think Zelensky is a He suspended elections,
he's locked down churches, he's locked up nuns.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'm a Christian. I don't like this guy at all.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Can as always being quite honest, I get that part.
Let me transition to you, specifically to get to the
real reason I wanted you on this podcast. First, before
I even get into that, I want to ask you.
I know your voice is very, very powerful. For those
of you who don't know, top ten on Spotify, I mean,
you're one of the top podcasters in the nation, if
(19:19):
not the world. I know everybody tries to listen to you,
and they should because you are not an idiot. You
know what the hell you're talking about, and you can
challenge anybody, and I give you credit for that. I
got to ask, however, though, leading up to the election,
your voice was far more conspicuous in the past, over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Than it was right before the election.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Am I wrong in saying that? And if I'm writing
saying that why was that?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, so there were some life changes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Obviously, I was pretty publicly fired, so there was a
lot of things that I was just doing, trying to
start my own business and to get back onto the airwaves.
But going back to what I said earlier, I have
had sort of a fatigue with politics, you know. I
was quite bored really with the same arguments. I need
a little bit of a challenge, and for me, I
just I like people to argue things honestly. Whatever your
(20:07):
opinion is, it's totally fine, but just let's argue honestly
and not use all the same rhetoric. And so to
be this far into it's is like the third time
Trump is running and we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Oh, everyone who supports him is a racist, is sexist.
I'm just bored, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And I've always, by the way, been very passionate about culture, vaccines.
I'm also a mom now, so in the beginning I
was married, I had no children. Now my interests have
naturally shifted since becoming a parent, and so I think
people are seeing more sides of me.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And in many ways, I'm growing up.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Publicly, and it's been refreshing, you know, refreshing to kind
of take people on the journey and to show people
that I'm not just a Trump supporter, which the media
did a very good job of painting that caricature of me.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You don't think that's an act. You don't think that's
an ad.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't want to call it a caricature, but you
don't think that's an accurate description of you as being
a Trump supporter.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
No, I am a Trump supporter, but I'm not just
a Trump supp And I think in the beginning they
kind of made it seem like I was always angry,
always talking bad about black people, which is like any
person that listens to my podcast, white people get it
ten times worse. But the media will only pluck a
clip when I'm speaking about a black issue and then it's, oh,
there she is again saying stuff about black people. They
(21:18):
did a very good job of conditioning I would say,
the public, just via the mainstream media and flashy headlines,
to think that I had, like they call me like
a self hating black person.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
It was completely wild. It was out of it was
out of control.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, listen, this is the thing, and this is the
thing that gets me in trouble because obviously me being
a black man, b being a centrist sort of center
left as opposed to center right. I've been one that
was inclined to vote democratic, you know, at least for
the presidency for the vast majority of my life. If
it was anybody other than Trump, I think I would
have voted conservative this time around, I'm sort of becoming
even more enlightened.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm gonna use that word.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Because I was so disgusted with the left and what
I saw. My patience is run thin at times. And
then I've listened to you over the years and the
things that I didn't like is like, will you just
describe what people would say about you? And I'm saying, well,
wait a minute, is she wrong? What is she saying
that you disagree? How Come you can't say you disagree
(22:13):
with and make your points as to why like she does,
as opposed to just attacking her. Which brings me to
my next question, what's it like being a black conservative
in America?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Nobody better how asked this question than you.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier than it
was when I first got into this back in twenty fifteen,
because people that was the first time they saw Trump
and people just could not see past how could this
possibly happen. I think the media had a stronger hold
on people's minds then that it does now.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Now we've seen the explosion of independent media.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
People are able to get their voices out outside of
the New York Times and CNN and Fox News, and
that's helped tremendously to defeat all of these media caricatures
that are being created.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
But I find it now it's pioneering.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To put it in a nice way, and I think
it's the most rewarding thing ever, when what I have
found is that if you just stand for truth, even
in the beginning when it's really hard and people say
terrible things about you and I've been called everything you
could possibly imagine, then there's that moment, even if it
takes years, where they they do come back and they
say you were right, particularly about BLM. I mean, I
(23:20):
was hitting the drum about the finances so early, and
I'm going this like, I'm not saying that you don't
have feelings about this thing, but I am telling you
something else is going on and this is not This
is going to harm the black community in the end,
this money is just going to be zapped out of communities,
and communities are going to be destroyed. And then when
that was proven right, it was so refreshing to hear
people say, yeah, we kind of hated her for a
(23:41):
really long time. We're kind of saying this for a
really long time. And then you know the fraud of
Patrice's colors and what they were doing with the money,
and so my brain just works differently. I am different,
and I'm happy being different. I don't want to be
the same, but I also do respect. I think I've
learned in the process as well, is to just respect
where people are at.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
You know, I wasn't. My sisters did not like where
I was at when I started.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
How many how many? How many sisters do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I have two sisters and they're they're my best friends.
So one is a year older, ones a year younger.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So I grew up. Were like a trio.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
They stay with you, they gives you, they stand with you. Huh.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, they just didn't really care to me. That's Candice.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I've always been different, you know, and they didn't know
what I was on or what I was thinking. And
now this last election, they voted for Trump, which is crazy,
Like that means they were fully on the left and
they just sort of saw it, and so it's just
been cool to see that and they now like my podcast.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Before they didn't even listen to it, but we always had.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I grew up obviously in a not obviously, but my
family's has a great sense of humor. And that was
one of the worst things they hated about BLM is
that I've always thought that black people culturally like we're like,
we're the funniest, We're the funniest. You always want to
go listen to Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, and you saw
that removal where everything was just taken so seriously, were
so easily offended, And I hated it that I thought
(25:00):
the best parts of what the black culture represented to
me growing up was removed. And for me and my sisters,
they never cared. Like I'd be like, can you watch
my cat? I have to go to a Trump thing,
and my sister would be like, oh, you're going to
another one of your clansmen rallies, Like yeah, I'll watch
your cat.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know, it's always a joke.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, And I get it, And I guess for me
because I think about it, and I remember when you
showed up.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I believe it was in Paris.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You were with Kanye West, and you were wearing the
White Lives Matters, White Lives Matter shirt and what have you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I said, damn, And I was upset. I was
actually upset at you.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And here's why, Candas, because I looked at it and
I said, no, don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You can sit up there and you can talk to
folks about your views, what you know and educate folks
without them being closed minded because they saw something and
visualized something and automatically deemed that you were.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Against us as a people.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I mean, as you reflect on a moment like
that and you talk about the black community and politics, how.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Do you feel, how do you gauge what's the.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right thing to do and what's not the right thing
to do?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You know, for me, the discussion and polite discussion, it
doesn't work. I have found that you can go back
and watch me on stage with TI and Killer Mike,
and it doesn't work with the black community. And I
have a theory on this, and I think partially it's
because we have this instance of father absence, but that we.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
There's a lot of attitudes.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
There's a lot of attitudes, and if you try to
come politely, you're just gonna get disrespected. And so in
terms of the white Lives Matter shirt, first off, Kanye,
that's how he communicates. He communicates with art. That's like,
this was Kanye's thing that I was stepping into. But
I understood what he was saying there because he is
someone that does not like no one puts Kanye in
the corner. No one tells Kanye what he has to be.
(26:44):
And so when you start saying, oh, I'm going to
superimpose you just being a black victim on someone like
Kanye West. And you know, he hated when white people
would come up to him and say black lives matter.
So he's like, Okay, you want to patronize me, let
me patronize you.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Your life matters.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Too, Like oh yeah, like white white lives matter too,
and I want you to know that white lives matter,
your life matters. He never liked that, uh yeah, the
patronization of it. And so I and I felt the
same way, and we communicate differently. I usually am using
more bombastic words, but that moment, to me, especially as
someone who grew up and really Kanye's music kind of
(27:21):
gave me the courage to be myself, to have to
be an archetype of what a black woman should be.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
It was.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
It was a moment for me that I reflect on
very fondly. And yeah, it broke the internet and there
it started a lot of conversations. But imagine if black
people were just like, yeah, every time I saw a
white person, I'm with your white life matters.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's just there's something about it. I just don't like.
It wasn't from me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You brought up the use of bombastic words.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
You used that with George Floyd as well, who was
murdered by a police officer in Minnesota, and obviously a
lot of people in the black community had a real
problem with you as it pertained to that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That brings me to this question, when you take these positions,
does it enter your mind.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't want to use the word vitriol because I
think that's a bit too strong and that's unfair.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
To you and I don't want to do that. But
when you consider the fact that so.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Many people in the black community have voted democratic senis
the civil rights legislation in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Remember what Linda B.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Johnson said that, you know, did you pass this legislation
and we'll have the negroes vote for us for the
next two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Remember that statement. I know, I remember that statement. I'm wondering,
because of.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Your knowledge of politics, your obvious knowledge of the issues,
when you speak on these things and you take positions
about you take such positions, particularly if it's antithetical or
the antithesis of what the black community will point to,
do you think about it and do so on purpose?
Because dare I say you're disgusted with us as a
(28:43):
community for being hoodwinked by the Democratic Party in your eyes?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Is that possible?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So that's a very good question, and disgusted would not
be the right term for it. Frustrated, yes, and constantly
trying to give people the facts so that they understand
and that we Lyndon Bange Johnson was an avowed racist
and he hated us, and yet we are doing everything
that he wanted us to do.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
We are reacting emotionally and not rationally. We seem to
be a stereotype of irrationality.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Actually, all we have to do is make them feel
something and they won't react.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And I want to be clear, it's not just Black Americans.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
The Me Too movement was another manifestation of that very
you know, That's why I'm doing with Harvey Weinstein series.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
But what really does upset me about the black.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Community is that the manner in which we defend criminals,
you will not find this in any other community. Okay,
so black, black, white, white person gets shot killed unarmed.
They're not coming out. White people are not coming out
and burning down their own neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Right, they're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Did you see the black community attack me for going
off about oh JB is celebrated.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They conditioned us to actually defend the worst in our communities.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
They just will let it go.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
You think Chinese people are gonna run outside if they're like,
well this and this guy was high on fentanel, he
gotten to brush up with police officers and he died.
Chinese people will be like especially Asian Asian moms are
just dead serious.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
They'd be like, you idiot, you know, good for you,
So you're you're an embarrassment. Never come home. This is
how Asian women are.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
They have a standard you think Jewish people are coming
outside and gonna, you know, rally around, and you know
they all know that they think of as like a
natural process. We don't want to associate with that. And
we have the exact opposite mindset. And when I say
the exact opposite, I mean also the reverse of that,
being that the most educated and the most accomplished people
in our community in terms of their intellect.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
We reject. How can we ever get ahead?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh, Conda, Liz a Rice. No, she's a trader. She's
an uncle Tom. Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, He's a trader.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's an uncle Tom.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Doctor Ben Carson, a literal brain surgeon. Black people will
call him stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So there's no way Black America can get ahead with that,
With that backwards mindset where you put you put George
Floyd on a T shirt and you denigrate and disrespect
someone like Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'm just not with it. You know, you got a.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
New platform called Club Canvas, and I'm wondering how important
is you.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I know it's you're.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Going to speak your truth. You have proven that time
and Tom and Tom again. Okay, but in the process
of doing. So, as you have this new platform, how
important is it for you, if at all, to reach
and resonate with the black community or to really really
provoke change all across the board, particularly in the United
(31:34):
States of America.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Where do you lie with that?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yef?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
The number one thing is for me to reach people
who want to hear the truth, and so that comes
in all different shapes and sizes and colors, and our
demographics have really changed or just it's very mixed people
all around the world like I have. Shockingly, I would
say in Africa they absolutely love me. I mean, like
the amount of Nigerian to listen to my podcast Daily Uganda.
So it's not a color thing. It's important for me
(31:58):
to get information out there I don't think would otherwise
be available. So with Club Candace, you know, I have
my vaccine series. I am quote unquote anti VAXX. Don't
vaccinate my children, and I want people to know why.
I want people, especially if you want to talk about
something Black Americans should learn about, it's the vaccine industry.
We were targeted, you know, what was sent over to
Africa to experiment and make people infertile. Hispanic women, Native
(32:21):
Americans and black Americans were experiments on and this is
the stuff that matters. And so also, obviously the book
club to introduce him to the books that I read
outside of the school system that kind of helped forge
a lot of my opinions, a lot of my political opinions.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
And so that's really fun that we meet every two weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And so it's you just getting kind of whatever goes
on in this headquarters of crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It's all happening at club Candice.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Make them a sandwich. Why real women don't need fake feminism?
Explain that title, please.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
We just need to destroy the feminist movement. It's just
so toxic. And I think that on the heels of
Kamala's loss. And you know this, women are unhappy because
they're being told to compete with men.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
We are not like men.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We are not built like men biologically, mentally, physically, we
are just not men. And the idea that to be
equal in society I have to have the same aspirations
as a man is going to be something that makes
women chronically unhappy, which is what we're dealing with today
and learning the real history of feminism and I'm mimicking
Gloria Stein. I'm a famed photo of her, who was
actually a CIA operative, will wake people up to the
(33:26):
fact that these decisions that you're being that are being
told to you of Like, yes, feminist movement was amazing.
Was the CIA looking for a way to tax household
wholesold households two ways? And it has not led to
the enriching of the household. It has not led to
the enriching of our life experiences. And the biggest joys
in my life are being able to be at home
(33:47):
with my children and my husband, and I'm just tired
of being told that that makes me somehow backwards.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You got to defend men.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, you go, hey, listen, I'm not compleatly. I'm not
complay about that matter a little bit, al right. You
reach interviewed former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein from prison. Why
did you want to talk to him and what was
the most surprising thing you.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Got from it?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I have been a hater of the me two movementsince
Stay one, even before I had sons and now I
have three. I knew that we need due process and
watching men lose their entire lives on the basis of
an allegation, and I could have literally ruined your life, Stephen.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I could have been like he touched my.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Hand at that NIXT game and I remember this and
cro you've been done, canceled over forever. And that's wrong, okay,
because women lie, men lie, women lie, facts don't lie,
and we need due process. And so the Harvey Weinstea case,
someone brought it to me and said, take a look
at it.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
And I actually thought he was.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Guilty when I first got on the phone with him
in prison and were totally on different sides of the
political spectrum. But a friend had reached out and said,
I think you'll be the only person that will actually
take a look at this and tell the truth. And
I've just always been committed to telling the truth and
it is my belief. And I think that once I
show the public the facts of this case, that Harvey
Weinstein was wrongfully convicted and his a CASI just got
(35:01):
overturned in New York as it should have, and now
it's being sent back down in the appellate courts. He
got so it's got to be retried, and I just
want the We got to go back to the beginning.
We got to put this genie back into the bottle
and back into the me too bottle, and it all
begins with Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And so I'm really excited about bringing that series for it.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Got you before I let you get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know, my producers and my issue mispronounced Kamala Harris's
name twice.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I want to make sure you didn't do that on purpose.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
No, I just don't know how what is it? Is it?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Kamala, Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Kamala.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Hass That's what I said. I said Kamala this right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm just well, don't worry about it. It's okay, It's
all right, you said Kamala, but don't worry about it
in terms of me.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
She's got an issue.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Listen, I know you gotta go. Thank you for your time.
I just want to say one thing to you. I've
interviewed a lot of liberals on this show. I'm telling
the conservatives they're welcome on the show too. If I'm wrong, correctly,
if I'm right, agree with me, I have no I'm
not in this game contrary to what they've been right
about it. I like being fair minded and giving everybody
(35:58):
an equal platform. Rest themselves, and I appreciate you taking
the time to come on the show. I really thank
you for it, and you're welcome back on the show anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I would love to come back.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Like I said, this feels so full circle to me,
from the high five to this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Works for me. You take care of yourself all the best.
I want to get in to what we just heard
from Candice Hounds. Okay, be clear, I'm fully aware. You
heard her comments about Kanye, you heard her answering my question,
you heard the way she answered my question about George Floyd.
(36:32):
The primary reason I wanted her on this show was
because I was curious as to how she felt as
a black conservative, particularly as it pertained to black people,
because of the vitriol that I've seen aimed in her direction.
(36:55):
Are there times where I feel that she's a bit abrasive?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Are I feel she's that way unnecessarily so? Yeah, Even
she acknowledged she just don't have time, the mother three,
expecting a fourth kid, preoccupied with a lot of things
that occupy ourselves in life, and she don't have patience
intolerance for nonsense and games. That's how she feels. Everybody
(37:24):
has their feelings. We have a right to disagree. And again,
when we have a lengthier discussion, I will most certainly
be a bit more probing and challenging. This wasn't the
time for that, my first time meeting her, my first
time talking to her. I wanted to hear what she
had to say, and I wanted to hear the perspective
(37:45):
that she provided to the masters out there, and how
unapologetic she is in doing so.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I got that, and I appreciate it, because.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Here's what I want everybody to understand, and I want
us to understand that we'll never get far till we
learn to do this, no matter what our emotional state
of mind is, no matter how turned off we might
be over the things that people say and a manner.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
In which they say it. Yes it's true. Every truth
ain't meant to be heard. Yes it's true.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Sometimes it is about the way you say something instead
of what you're just saying.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But far more often than not, the truth is supposed
to usurp everything.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And when that young lady speaks, don't even think about
challenging her intelligence. Don't even think about challenging her ability
to articulate her point of view. You better know what
the hell you're talking about when you come at her.
(38:57):
That's what I take away, just as much as anything else.
I can't wait until she and I sit face to
face one day and volley back and forth about what
we feel, what we believe, what we stand for, and why.
Cause I'm certainly different than her when it comes to
(39:20):
some political positions she has taken and beyond. There is
no doubt about that. But I can't deny. She's sharp
as attack, and you damn well better be if you
gonna come for her. Because ladies and gentlemen like it
or not, Candice owns she's not going anywhere, even when
(39:44):
you thought she was gone. She's around number eight on
Spotify's list of podcasts and climbing, and she's in her thirties.
She's not going away. No matter what summer you want,
She's not going away.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Deal with that. If not, I get the impression she
will make you
Host
Stephen A. Smith
Popular Podcasts
40s and Free Agents: NFL Draft Season
Daniel Jeremiah of Move the Sticks and Gregg Rosenthal of NFL Daily join forces to break down every team's needs this offseason.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.