December 3, 2024 • 17 mins
Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown.
Stephen A and NFL Hall of Fame great Cris Carter discuss Ohio State University’s stunning loss to Michigan and the post-game flag-planting fight. In Week 13th of the NFL, they discuss the Philadelphia Eagles' win over the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson’s struggles, the Chicago Bears' loss to the Detroit Lions, the Buffalo Bills’ snowy takedown of the San Francisco 49ers, and the Pittsburgh Steelers’ beatdown of the Cincinnati Bengals with Russell Wilson. They also predict the MVP race, AFC and NFC Playoff Standings, and Super Bowl picks.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
My next guest as a Hall of Famer, a wide
receiver extraordinariy, one of the greatest wide receivers in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
All he did was catch touchdowns. This ally did. But
guess what we ain't.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Gonna start off talking to my boy Chris Carter about
that National Football League because this brother went to the
Ohio State. This brother watched Ohio State get beat by Michigan,
an average Michigan team this year. I'll get into that
in a minute. But the biggest issue ce see. It
is good to see you, my brother. Hope you and
your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Got to ask you about this whole.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Flag planting situation that developed. A damn melee broke out
after the game where cats had to get pepper sprayed
and even a cop had to go to the hospital
because of the ruckus that took place after your Ohio
State Buck guys lost to Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What do you have to say about that?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, for one, I think that this is part of
this new generation of kids. They're so offended, they take
everything so personal, and this is totally different than the
pro game. Stephen, because typically after in college more guys
linger on the field. Typically there's a scene of the
fight songs down towards your fans section if you're on
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the road wherever your travel, but wherever that section is,
the team runs down there, sings the fights on there.
So in colleges, they're on the field a lot longer.
So from administrative standpoint, you have to be able to
find people the presidency, these universities, these athletic directors, because
it's okay for fans to storm the field if they
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don't have security, but for players participating in it, that's
totally That's where I'm lost, Like, you should stay with
your teammates, stay with your coaches, and then get to.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
The locker room.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What the fans decide to do, or the students decided
to do, that's totally up to them. At that point,
I'm not with them. I'm with my unit that happens
to be the football team. And in college there's a
huge problem as far as secure running onto the field. Okay,
there's more people out there, and if you give a
player a flag, he's.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Going to try a planet there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And that's something that is just now recently starting to
happen in college football compared to all the other years
where you never saw this happen.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, I saw with Baker Mayfield years ago when he
beat a house there. But that's a different subject for
another day. I think the thing that really resonates with
me cc is this what happened to the sore loser
element in all of this. You had sixty minutes to
beat Michigan. You had sixty minutes to make sure that
they didn't plant They wanted in a position to plant
some flag on your field, but you didn't handle your business.
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So to me, you Ohio state, your Florida state, your
people like that, and you didn't handle your business. I
mean it comes across as a bit different that you know,
you can't handle losing on that level.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, absolutely, And whoever wins, to me, within a certain
you know, sportsmanship, they deserve to do whatever they want
to do. You had sixty minutes to build change the game.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You didn't change that game.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now, I'm gonna tell you, man, there's guys in the
in the Hall of Fame, Mischian guys, that being Charles Woodson,
that being you know, Tom Brady will soon be there.
But I'm very friendly with these guys, and I played
in three mission Ohio State games, and there were no
fights ever broke out afterwards, and there was a greater
deal of respect for the players playing.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Jim Harball played in all three games I played in.
I did him twice, he once, but there was.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Never any disrespect. Even as we've gone on forty years afterwards,
there's never been any disrespect. So I believe that this generation,
which they don't respect anything, I believe that now that
waters down the rivalry because everything that happened after the
game has nothing to do with the greatest rivalry. It
actually takes something away from what Missigan accomplished on the field,
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being a significant twenty three and a half point underdog,
and they.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Haven't be a team like this since nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
C See, you just brought it up. I didn't want
to go there because it's as Thanksgiving. I'm trying to
be nice to you, man. I ain't want to depress you.
I didn't want you to start crying on national television.
I didn't want you to sit up there and be
that kind of miserable because your Ohio State buck guys
that were twenty three and a half point favorites ended
up losing his damn game.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But I got to get to the coach, Ryan Day.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Listen, I'm not gonna call for the man's job or
anything like that. The man has never lost more than
two games in a season in his career. Okay, He's
sixty six and ten as a head coach, all right,
never won a national championship, but certainly he's been a
big time coach, except for when it comes to Michigan.
He's lost four straight now to Michigan. And it wasn't
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Jim Harball coach in the Wolverine Saturday against him. It
was Sharon Moore and they beat and they beat Ohio State.
How as an as an alumni member, all right, a guy
that started Ohio State, how are you feeling about Ryan
Day as the head coach of your Buckeyes right now?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, I don't feel great because the number one thing
to do it on.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Stated to beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So if you look at losing four in a row, now,
I think we had ran off nine in a row
before we lost this foreigner row. But man, we can't
even remember that because this four in a row, it's historic.
You know, this is historically one of the most talented teams,
but it's historically the seniors are leaving without having any
gold pants of beating Michigan. So if your number one
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goal is to come to an operation and beat someone
and you've done that one out of five times, unless
you want a national championship, yeah, your job should be
on the line. At Ohio State, the standards are higher.
They have the number one roster in college football. They
spent twenty million dollars on the collective to bill put
that roster out there. And yes, I know they're missing
three offensive linemen, but you don't go into a phone
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booth fight with Michigan when their best players are on
their defensive front. Their linebackers were hurting, their secondary was hurting,
their corners were hurting. Like make it attrack me, Like
we have that kind of town of Littlehio State. You
don't want to get in to a mma fight with Michigan.
They played the game that Michigan won. Michigan got the
ball on the two yard line and score one touchdown.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's it. And you lose that game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, if you lose that game with that roster at home,
your job should be in question at Ohio State. Yes,
Chris Carter said that about Ryan Day, his job should
be in question, and if he doesn't win the college
football playoffs, I wouldn't be shot under the new athletic
director who's only been there since the beginning of the season,
that if he moved on.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
This is the same athletic director that bought.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Out Jim bow Fisher come with that tremendous buyout at
Texas A and M Right, so, Ohio, they's got more
money than so and so so.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Check this out?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Am I interpreting this right? Are you saying, Chris Carter
that at this moment it should be a question that
much is a given, that much is clear that if
Ryan Day doesn't win the national Championship, he doesn't get
to the College Football playoffs, and they win the national
championship this year, that Ryan Day should be fire. Are
you saying should be fired?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yes, if you go one and four against Michigan, anything
else that you do besides winning the national championship. My
coach at Ohio State, Earl Bruce, went nine and three
a couple of seasons, they.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Fired him, John Cooper.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
He had all the Heisland Trophy winners, he had all
the big first round draft pick.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Outland Trophy winners.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That era was before you know, we got to the
urban Meyer. And let me tell you a conversation of
me and urban Meyer had several years ago before he
stept down at Ohio State. Coach, what coun team you got,
Chris is not a matter of what kind of team
do I have?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We got a program right now that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We should win two out of the next three, two out
of the next four national championship teams.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And then Ryan Day took over. If you look at
the quarterbacks to these heads, if you look at the
offensive productivity he's.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Had and lack of them to win the big one
but one time and no national championship game, Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Your job would be in jeopardy at Ohio State just
like his.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It Okay, Ryan Day on the clock, no question about that.
Let's transition to the National Football League, CEC. I saw
Baltimore lose a game last night to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Did the Baltimore Ravens lose to the best team in football?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
No, I'm not going to say that Philadelphia is playing well,
but we have to and you've been beating it in
my head the first two months of the season. The
Detroit Lions manner for Red like we need to put
some respect on everything that they do.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
They don't have any question marks from a special team standpoint.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Defensively, if you look what Aaron Glenn is doing since
Hutchison got hurt, they're still getting to the passer, They're
creating turnovers. I mean, and Ben Johnson from an offensive mind,
if you want to watch exciting play calls, if you
want to watch concepts that no other team is doing,
and your boy dan or lost, he shows it a lot.
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He diagramedlazer, but no old job. They are the most
difficult team to be able to guard and what they're
going to do and how he distributes the football. So yes,
Detroit Lions to me are still a little bit of
head of the Philadelphia Eagles and outstanding season that they're happening.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I was gonna wait till later to ask this question.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But since you brought up Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator
for the Detroit Lions. If you're the Chicago Bears who
let go of Egle flu so we don't need to
pay any attention to that because we both know his
ass deserved to be gone. Ain't no question about that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would have made him I'd have madehim pay.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
For his own flight back to Chicago after that lost
and Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm serious. I would have made it pay for himself.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But having said all of that, is Ben Johnson a
better candidate for the head coaching job in Chicago next
season rather than the Cliff Kingsbury and with the Commanders,
rather than the Kellen Moore with the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, number three, I say Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore has
no experience as a head coach, and I still question
some of this offensive coordinator leadership. Okay, I do believe
Cliff Clingsbury, you and I talked about that, that he
will get a second chance. I do believe that he
has come up with a plan B and C on
that type of offense because typically in a past heavy offense.
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In his first couple of years in Arizona, he struggled
with stream passes, he struggled with protection, some of the
same things they struggle with in college football. I think
he's worked some of those out. You can see that
in Washington, how effective their offense is and the physical
presence that Washington has more so than Arizona. But Ben
Johnson is the number one candidate. And if you're Kevin Warren,
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who happens to be one of my good friends, not
only are you trying to find a competent candidate, but
if I can weaken someone in the division, if I
can take away one of Campbell's lieutenants and Ben and
put him over my program, and wee can your program,
and the same the same way the Philadelphia week in
the New York Giants, and now they can't cut Danny
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din Danny is like a half a penny right now.
When when they decided not to sign Sa Kuan Philadelphia
and they're great general manager, they weakened one of the oppositions.
And if you look at Dan Quinn in Washington as
a head coach, what he do. He got a lot
of the reserves from the Cowboys that weakened the Cowboys.
So it's effective, man, when you can take someone away
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from someone in your division and affect them in a
negative way and help your program.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yes, yes, do that immediately.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is it a two horse race in the NFC or
should we be paying attention more significantly not just to
your Minnesota vikings, But dare I say to the Green
Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, green Bay, even though they haven't played well offensively,
they are still a very, very talented team. And given
any given Sunday Man in the playoffs, Jalen Hurt doesn't
have the type of game Barkley. Somehow they forget to
give him fifteen to twenty touches, which we see happen
in the playoffs right all the time. The talented quarterbacks
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with tunted offensive players which Green Bay and Minnesota have.
If they get into a shootout, both these teams they
can match you shot the shot if you get into
a shootout. Philadelphia's defense, to me is what puts them
at the elite level. They're a lot like Kansas City's
been the last couple of years. People talk about Patrick
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Mahons Telsey. Their defense is what won them to go
back to back Super Bowl. So Philadelphia right now, I
love the way their defenses is played and getting to
the quarterback and turning the football over multiple times of games.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let's transition to the AFC. Listen, man, I'm looking at
the Baltimore Ravens. First of all, I don't want to
hear anything more about Lamar Jackson being an MVP, you know,
you know, or one of the leads that listen, I
love him. I hope he wins. I just don't. I
hope he wins the championship, but I don't want to
hear anything about him MVP being the MVP. Right now,
They've got five losses on the season. Two of them
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have come to last place teams. You've lost to Pittsburgh
who could have scored a touchdown, just scored six field
Now yesterday you will held the twelve points by the
Philadelphia Eagles. I'm looking at the Kansas City Chiefs and
the Buffalo Bills being a two horse race in the
AFC to that, you say, what.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Who would argue with you? I mean Buffalo, what they did, man?
They get snow every week. Sh you can bank them
going all the way to New Orleans. I mean their
only team in the NFL could have played in that snow.
But Josh Allen's overall development with the head coach, because
they've suffered from January losses, man like, they've suffered some
into the season losses, very very tough where even they
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played well, but getting rid of some names that people
talk about and just adding more blue players and no
one crying for the football. Every single week.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They seem to be better with less.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Very seldom you ever see this in the NFL, see
get better with less talent than they have been the
last several years. And that's what they are doing in Buffalo,
and you got to respect that. And if they happen
to get home field it, then hey man, that thing
is real.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
No question.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But I think Kansas City can handle that. Nobody else
in the AFC, But I think Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh I'm
still not giving them that kind of love. Even though
Russell Wilson threw for for four hundred yards yesterday, but hell,
you could probably catch over two hundred yards at this
stage of your career against that Cincinnati defense. There's something
that I don't know what the hell is up with them.
But if you're a wide receiver, particularly a Stefon Diggs
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who's out for the year after getting hurt in Houston,
or Gave Davis who's with the Jacksonville Jaguars, if you're
one of those dudes, how are you feeling about looking
at Buffalo looking the way that they're looking this year?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know the truth like you know the truth gave
went down there and you know he's playing with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
You know, Trevor Lawrence is not that guy. He knows that.
And even being in Houston, you know with my guy,
you know CJ.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Strapp, DJ's not having the season he had last year
and then now having the knee injury. That gives you
a different perspective in life, like oh, man, I look
basket on it, being like Josh, I one was that guy?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Man? Did I open up my mouth just a little
too much? With buy receivers?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We gotta, we gotta, We got a propensity bill do
that on a regular basis from generation to generation, the seventies, eighties,
ninety two thousand and now twenty twenty four, we still
got the same thing. So this yearly affirms Josh Allen
and his ability to play with less talent the way
Tom Brady had to do and others had to do.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Chris put you on a spot. Remember the list of
fluid You got the right to change your mind. But
last question to you, if you had to pick a
team out of the AFC and out of the NFC
to meet in the Super Bowl right now following week twelve,
who would it be.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'm going with Opening Night two years ago, spectacular night
in Arrowhead, but this will be in New Orleans one
with the Detroit Lions versus Kansas City for a chance
to three pet That's what I'm going with Dan Campbell
and what he is doing, the sound bites that come
out of the lock of them, how he responds an
in game situation, doesn't look like he's lost like the
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way he did a couple of times last year in
the playoffs and in the previous years, because he's a
different guy.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But you can see he got full command of this team. Man.
They got two running.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Backs, got ten rushing touchdowns, they got a receiver, got
ten touchdowns. Like man, they can score the football man
at the elite level. And their defense typically for a
team that's that elite offensively, their defense is way better
than people are giving them credit for. That is a
championship combination right there.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, I would say this to you right now, would
disagree with you on the AFC. I think the Buffalo
Bills can pull it off because I don't like what
I'm seeing from Kansas City's defense.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Over the last four or five weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So they've really tailed off in terms of the third
down possessions and what they've allowed QBR gets opposing quarterbacks
as well. They're one of the worst in the league
right now. So I would say right now Buffalo and
Detroit to be quite honest with you, but I reserve
the right to change my mind.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
CEC.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Appreciate you, bro. I'm glad you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Looking forward to talking to you next week.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Right, I appreciate you all, all right, my man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
CC always appreciate the knowledge, always, always, always
My next guest as a Hall of Famer, a wide
receiver extraordinariy, one of the greatest wide receivers in the
history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
All he did was catch touchdowns. This ally did. But
guess what we ain't.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Gonna start off talking to my boy Chris Carter about
that National Football League because this brother went to the
Ohio State. This brother watched Ohio State get beat by Michigan,
an average Michigan team this year. I'll get into that
in a minute. But the biggest issue ce see. It
is good to see you, my brother. Hope you and
your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Got to ask you about this whole.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Flag planting situation that developed. A damn melee broke out
after the game where cats had to get pepper sprayed
and even a cop had to go to the hospital
because of the ruckus that took place after your Ohio
State Buck guys lost to Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What do you have to say about that?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, for one, I think that this is part of
this new generation of kids. They're so offended, they take
everything so personal, and this is totally different than the
pro game. Stephen, because typically after in college more guys
linger on the field. Typically there's a scene of the
fight songs down towards your fans section if you're on
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the road wherever your travel, but wherever that section is,
the team runs down there, sings the fights on there.
So in colleges, they're on the field a lot longer.
So from administrative standpoint, you have to be able to
find people the presidency, these universities, these athletic directors, because
it's okay for fans to storm the field if they
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don't have security, but for players participating in it, that's
totally That's where I'm lost, Like, you should stay with
your teammates, stay with your coaches, and then get to.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
The locker room.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
What the fans decide to do, or the students decided
to do, that's totally up to them. At that point,
I'm not with them. I'm with my unit that happens
to be the football team. And in college there's a
huge problem as far as secure running onto the field. Okay,
there's more people out there, and if you give a
player a flag, he's.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Going to try a planet there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And that's something that is just now recently starting to
happen in college football compared to all the other years
where you never saw this happen.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, I saw with Baker Mayfield years ago when he
beat a house there. But that's a different subject for
another day. I think the thing that really resonates with
me cc is this what happened to the sore loser
element in all of this. You had sixty minutes to
beat Michigan. You had sixty minutes to make sure that
they didn't plant They wanted in a position to plant
some flag on your field, but you didn't handle your business.
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So to me, you Ohio state, your Florida state, your
people like that, and you didn't handle your business. I
mean it comes across as a bit different that you know,
you can't handle losing on that level.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, absolutely, And whoever wins, to me, within a certain
you know, sportsmanship, they deserve to do whatever they want
to do. You had sixty minutes to build change the game.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You didn't change that game.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now, I'm gonna tell you, man, there's guys in the
in the Hall of Fame, Mischian guys, that being Charles Woodson,
that being you know, Tom Brady will soon be there.
But I'm very friendly with these guys, and I played
in three mission Ohio State games, and there were no
fights ever broke out afterwards, and there was a greater
deal of respect for the players playing.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Jim Harball played in all three games I played in.
I did him twice, he once, but there was.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Never any disrespect. Even as we've gone on forty years afterwards,
there's never been any disrespect. So I believe that this generation,
which they don't respect anything, I believe that now that
waters down the rivalry because everything that happened after the
game has nothing to do with the greatest rivalry. It
actually takes something away from what Missigan accomplished on the field,
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being a significant twenty three and a half point underdog,
and they.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Haven't be a team like this since nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
C See, you just brought it up. I didn't want
to go there because it's as Thanksgiving. I'm trying to
be nice to you, man. I ain't want to depress you.
I didn't want you to start crying on national television.
I didn't want you to sit up there and be
that kind of miserable because your Ohio State buck guys
that were twenty three and a half point favorites ended
up losing his damn game.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But I got to get to the coach, Ryan Day.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Listen, I'm not gonna call for the man's job or
anything like that. The man has never lost more than
two games in a season in his career. Okay, He's
sixty six and ten as a head coach, all right,
never won a national championship, but certainly he's been a
big time coach, except for when it comes to Michigan.
He's lost four straight now to Michigan. And it wasn't
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Jim Harball coach in the Wolverine Saturday against him. It
was Sharon Moore and they beat and they beat Ohio State.
How as an as an alumni member, all right, a guy
that started Ohio State, how are you feeling about Ryan
Day as the head coach of your Buckeyes right now?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, I don't feel great because the number one thing
to do it on.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Stated to beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So if you look at losing four in a row, now,
I think we had ran off nine in a row
before we lost this foreigner row. But man, we can't
even remember that because this four in a row, it's historic.
You know, this is historically one of the most talented teams,
but it's historically the seniors are leaving without having any
gold pants of beating Michigan. So if your number one
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goal is to come to an operation and beat someone
and you've done that one out of five times, unless
you want a national championship, yeah, your job should be
on the line. At Ohio State, the standards are higher.
They have the number one roster in college football. They
spent twenty million dollars on the collective to bill put
that roster out there. And yes, I know they're missing
three offensive linemen, but you don't go into a phone
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booth fight with Michigan when their best players are on
their defensive front. Their linebackers were hurting, their secondary was hurting,
their corners were hurting. Like make it attrack me, Like
we have that kind of town of Littlehio State. You
don't want to get in to a mma fight with Michigan.
They played the game that Michigan won. Michigan got the
ball on the two yard line and score one touchdown.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's it. And you lose that game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yes, if you lose that game with that roster at home,
your job should be in question at Ohio State. Yes,
Chris Carter said that about Ryan Day, his job should
be in question, and if he doesn't win the college
football playoffs, I wouldn't be shot under the new athletic
director who's only been there since the beginning of the season,
that if he moved on.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
This is the same athletic director that bought.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Out Jim bow Fisher come with that tremendous buyout at
Texas A and M Right, so, Ohio, they's got more
money than so and so so.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Check this out?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Am I interpreting this right? Are you saying, Chris Carter
that at this moment it should be a question that
much is a given, that much is clear that if
Ryan Day doesn't win the national Championship, he doesn't get
to the College Football playoffs, and they win the national
championship this year, that Ryan Day should be fire. Are
you saying should be fired?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yes, if you go one and four against Michigan, anything
else that you do besides winning the national championship. My
coach at Ohio State, Earl Bruce, went nine and three
a couple of seasons, they.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Fired him, John Cooper.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
He had all the Heisland Trophy winners, he had all
the big first round draft pick.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Outland Trophy winners.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That era was before you know, we got to the
urban Meyer. And let me tell you a conversation of
me and urban Meyer had several years ago before he
stept down at Ohio State. Coach, what coun team you got,
Chris is not a matter of what kind of team
do I have?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We got a program right now that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
We should win two out of the next three, two out
of the next four national championship teams.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And then Ryan Day took over. If you look at
the quarterbacks to these heads, if you look at the
offensive productivity he's.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Had and lack of them to win the big one
but one time and no national championship game, Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Your job would be in jeopardy at Ohio State just
like his.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It Okay, Ryan Day on the clock, no question about that.
Let's transition to the National Football League, CEC. I saw
Baltimore lose a game last night to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Did the Baltimore Ravens lose to the best team in football?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
No, I'm not going to say that Philadelphia is playing well,
but we have to and you've been beating it in
my head the first two months of the season. The
Detroit Lions manner for Red like we need to put
some respect on everything that they do.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
They don't have any question marks from a special team standpoint.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Defensively, if you look what Aaron Glenn is doing since
Hutchison got hurt, they're still getting to the passer, They're
creating turnovers. I mean, and Ben Johnson from an offensive mind,
if you want to watch exciting play calls, if you
want to watch concepts that no other team is doing,
and your boy dan or lost, he shows it a lot.
(08:56):
He diagramedlazer, but no old job. They are the most
difficult team to be able to guard and what they're
going to do and how he distributes the football. So yes,
Detroit Lions to me are still a little bit of
head of the Philadelphia Eagles and outstanding season that they're happening.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I was gonna wait till later to ask this question.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But since you brought up Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator
for the Detroit Lions. If you're the Chicago Bears who
let go of Egle flu so we don't need to
pay any attention to that because we both know his
ass deserved to be gone. Ain't no question about that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would have made him I'd have madehim pay.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
For his own flight back to Chicago after that lost
and Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm serious. I would have made it pay for himself.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But having said all of that, is Ben Johnson a
better candidate for the head coaching job in Chicago next
season rather than the Cliff Kingsbury and with the Commanders,
rather than the Kellen Moore with the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, number three, I say Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore has
no experience as a head coach, and I still question
some of this offensive coordinator leadership. Okay, I do believe
Cliff Clingsbury, you and I talked about that, that he
will get a second chance. I do believe that he
has come up with a plan B and C on
that type of offense because typically in a past heavy offense.
(10:14):
In his first couple of years in Arizona, he struggled
with stream passes, he struggled with protection, some of the
same things they struggle with in college football. I think
he's worked some of those out. You can see that
in Washington, how effective their offense is and the physical
presence that Washington has more so than Arizona. But Ben
Johnson is the number one candidate. And if you're Kevin Warren,
(10:36):
who happens to be one of my good friends, not
only are you trying to find a competent candidate, but
if I can weaken someone in the division, if I
can take away one of Campbell's lieutenants and Ben and
put him over my program, and wee can your program,
and the same the same way the Philadelphia week in
the New York Giants, and now they can't cut Danny
(10:56):
din Danny is like a half a penny right now.
When when they decided not to sign Sa Kuan Philadelphia
and they're great general manager, they weakened one of the oppositions.
And if you look at Dan Quinn in Washington as
a head coach, what he do. He got a lot
of the reserves from the Cowboys that weakened the Cowboys.
So it's effective, man, when you can take someone away
(11:19):
from someone in your division and affect them in a
negative way and help your program.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yes, yes, do that immediately.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is it a two horse race in the NFC or
should we be paying attention more significantly not just to
your Minnesota vikings, But dare I say to the Green
Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, green Bay, even though they haven't played well offensively,
they are still a very, very talented team. And given
any given Sunday Man in the playoffs, Jalen Hurt doesn't
have the type of game Barkley. Somehow they forget to
give him fifteen to twenty touches, which we see happen
in the playoffs right all the time. The talented quarterbacks
(12:01):
with tunted offensive players which Green Bay and Minnesota have.
If they get into a shootout, both these teams they
can match you shot the shot if you get into
a shootout. Philadelphia's defense, to me is what puts them
at the elite level. They're a lot like Kansas City's
been the last couple of years. People talk about Patrick
(12:21):
Mahons Telsey. Their defense is what won them to go
back to back Super Bowl. So Philadelphia right now, I
love the way their defenses is played and getting to
the quarterback and turning the football over multiple times of games.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let's transition to the AFC. Listen, man, I'm looking at
the Baltimore Ravens. First of all, I don't want to
hear anything more about Lamar Jackson being an MVP, you know,
you know, or one of the leads that listen, I
love him. I hope he wins. I just don't. I
hope he wins the championship, but I don't want to
hear anything about him MVP being the MVP. Right now,
They've got five losses on the season. Two of them
(12:54):
have come to last place teams. You've lost to Pittsburgh
who could have scored a touchdown, just scored six field
Now yesterday you will held the twelve points by the
Philadelphia Eagles. I'm looking at the Kansas City Chiefs and
the Buffalo Bills being a two horse race in the
AFC to that, you say, what.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Who would argue with you? I mean Buffalo, what they did, man?
They get snow every week. Sh you can bank them
going all the way to New Orleans. I mean their
only team in the NFL could have played in that snow.
But Josh Allen's overall development with the head coach, because
they've suffered from January losses, man like, they've suffered some
into the season losses, very very tough where even they
(13:35):
played well, but getting rid of some names that people
talk about and just adding more blue players and no
one crying for the football. Every single week.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They seem to be better with less.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Very seldom you ever see this in the NFL, see
get better with less talent than they have been the
last several years. And that's what they are doing in Buffalo,
and you got to respect that. And if they happen
to get home field it, then hey man, that thing
is real.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
No question.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But I think Kansas City can handle that. Nobody else
in the AFC, But I think Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh I'm
still not giving them that kind of love. Even though
Russell Wilson threw for for four hundred yards yesterday, but hell,
you could probably catch over two hundred yards at this
stage of your career against that Cincinnati defense. There's something
that I don't know what the hell is up with them.
But if you're a wide receiver, particularly a Stefon Diggs
(14:30):
who's out for the year after getting hurt in Houston,
or Gave Davis who's with the Jacksonville Jaguars, if you're
one of those dudes, how are you feeling about looking
at Buffalo looking the way that they're looking this year?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know the truth like you know the truth gave
went down there and you know he's playing with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
You know, Trevor Lawrence is not that guy. He knows that.
And even being in Houston, you know with my guy,
you know CJ.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Strapp, DJ's not having the season he had last year
and then now having the knee injury. That gives you
a different perspective in life, like oh, man, I look
basket on it, being like Josh, I one was that guy?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Man? Did I open up my mouth just a little
too much? With buy receivers?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We gotta, we gotta, We got a propensity bill do
that on a regular basis from generation to generation, the seventies, eighties,
ninety two thousand and now twenty twenty four, we still
got the same thing. So this yearly affirms Josh Allen
and his ability to play with less talent the way
Tom Brady had to do and others had to do.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Chris put you on a spot. Remember the list of
fluid You got the right to change your mind. But
last question to you, if you had to pick a
team out of the AFC and out of the NFC
to meet in the Super Bowl right now following week twelve,
who would it be.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'm going with Opening Night two years ago, spectacular night
in Arrowhead, but this will be in New Orleans one
with the Detroit Lions versus Kansas City for a chance
to three pet That's what I'm going with Dan Campbell
and what he is doing, the sound bites that come
out of the lock of them, how he responds an
in game situation, doesn't look like he's lost like the
(16:19):
way he did a couple of times last year in
the playoffs and in the previous years, because he's a
different guy.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But you can see he got full command of this team. Man.
They got two running.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Backs, got ten rushing touchdowns, they got a receiver, got
ten touchdowns. Like man, they can score the football man
at the elite level. And their defense typically for a
team that's that elite offensively, their defense is way better
than people are giving them credit for. That is a
championship combination right there.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, I would say this to you right now, would
disagree with you on the AFC. I think the Buffalo
Bills can pull it off because I don't like what
I'm seeing from Kansas City's defense.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Over the last four or five weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So they've really tailed off in terms of the third
down possessions and what they've allowed QBR gets opposing quarterbacks
as well. They're one of the worst in the league
right now. So I would say right now Buffalo and
Detroit to be quite honest with you, but I reserve
the right to change my mind.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
CEC.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Appreciate you, bro. I'm glad you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Looking forward to talking to you next week.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Right, I appreciate you all, all right, my man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
CC always appreciate the knowledge, always, always, always
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