December 20, 2024 • 20 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let me get right to it, because it's a lot
of stuff to get into, and I'm not mad and
pissed off like some people are. But I'm not going
to run from subjects either, because certain things need to
be broached and we're going to get started today in
the world of politics and social media, where many of
you I have taken issue with my takes on the
political headlines, I want to say for.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The record, that's fair. I accept it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It often comes with being a pundit in this business.
I've accepted that a long time ago. With that being said,
I want to address some recent comments from my friend
Roland Martin, who took issue with my thoughts this past
weekend on a Justice Department's report on the January sixth
Capitol riots in twenty twenty one. In summary, I made
the connection that Donald Trump appeared to be right to
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some degree when it came to the conspiracy theories about
the FBI's involvement on that day.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
At least that's how some took it.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, here's what Roland Martin had to say Monday about
my comments on his show, Roland mart It's an unfiltered
take a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I have no idea what the hell steven A was
just talking about. I know stephen A, I respect stephen A.
Stephen A, you know sports on this, you know what
the hell you're talking about? Like, I literally have no
(01:23):
idea what the hell he was talking about there? How
he's pissed off and the Democrats and Trump said stuff
was rigged. And y'all Magla is running that clip everywhere.
Oh they are saying, oh see, even steven the truth,
(01:45):
the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
They all's knowing the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Go by pad.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Associated Press Fact Focus. Inspector General's January sixth report misrepresented
as proof of FBI set up. The basis of what
the right has been saying is that January sixth was fine,
(02:16):
it was great, it was wonderful.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
But the FBI, it was a setup. The FBI, they
were behind the whole deal. They were were agents. Now,
they were the ones who was starting stuff. That's the report.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And so when stephen A is going on and all
they they said here making Trump out to be true.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
No, he lied.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He lied a couple of things. First off, Roland Martin,
nice touch with the cowboy hat. You should wear it
more often. It's fitting of you. You are from Texas.
After all, uh, you're a Texas fan, if I remember correctly,
so it's that's more appropot that you put on that
had even more so than I do. So good look there,
but nice try ain't gonna work this way. Before I
(03:08):
get into it any further, let me show my audience
exactly what Roland Martin was replying to when he said
I didn't know what the hell I.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Was talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is what he was responding to that had him
all up in a tizzy.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The news comes amissed a bombshell report from the Justice
Department that revealed the FBI had at least twenty six
confidential informants on the ground when the capital was stormed
on January sixth, twenty twenty one. The report says most
of the informants engaged in illegal activity during the chaos.
The Justice Department says only three of its twenty six
informants president had been instructed to observe potential domestic terrorist
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suspects on the day of the riot. The rest of
the twenty three appeared to have gone to the capital
on their own accord. Upon hearing news of the report,
Vice President elect JD Vance posted the following on x quote.
For those keeping score at home, this was labeled a
dangerous conspiracy thirty months ago end quote. Didn't hear anything
about that for the election. Didn't hear anything about that
(04:11):
when the quote unquote insurrection was broached by Vice President
Kamala Harris as a Democratic nominee the belief that Donald
Trump was a danger to democracy and using this as
a profound, illuminating bullet point to make that case. And
now here we are yet again finding even more evidence
(04:36):
to Donald Trump's claims when he articulated that process is rigged.
My big issue is that I'm really really sick and
tired of every time I turn around finding something else
that the Democrats have lied about or downplayed or misrepresented
along the way. I mean, I see Republicans like Megan
(04:58):
Kelly or off of Ce Tatum or a Canvas Owens,
or you know, the showing Hannities of the world that you.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Know what I'm getting tired of. I'm getting you know
what I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Getting to the Democratic Party, you know what I'm getting
really pissed off about.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I'm getting really ticked off. And every time they open
their mouth about something pertaining to y'all, they seem right
to make the case that the right had a monopoly
on insidious, evil tendencies, corrupt tendencies, duplicitous, hypocritical, untruthful tendencies,
(05:43):
And every time they made those accusations, we turn around
and find out that at least some of them are
guilty of the same shit.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't know about y'all, but I'm sick of all
of it. I'm sick of all of it. Dave actually
made Donald Trump look like he was right instead of them.
That is what Roland Martin is responding to. That is
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what he is saying. He doesn't understand what the hell
I'm talking about and what I'm saying when he brings
that up. First of all, let me say this about
Roland Martin. Not hang out buddies or anything like that.
But we are friends. He's a guest on this show.
(06:40):
Anytime I ask him to I respect his knowledge, and
he is absolutely right. This is his lane, not mine.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Sports is my thing. This is what he does.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I get that, but I am alive to be an
expert on what the hell comes out of my mouth
and what.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I believe I said.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And that is why I clap back respectfully at my
man Roland Martin, not his panelists chirping and mimicking and
laughing and giggling in the sideline, like anybody know who
the hell they are. I ain't talking about them, That's
a waste of my time. I'm talking about my brother
Roland Martin.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Here.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
When you say you don't understand or you don't know
what the hell I'm talking about, and you have a
panel to piggyback and parrot every syllable you uttered, well,
why are you doing it? If you didn't understand what
I'm talking about? Why am I getting attacked if you
don't he don't understand what I was saying, If it's convoluted,
(07:51):
why not ask me to come on and clarify. Why
not talk to me and say what exactly is it
that you're trying to say. That is not what Roland
Martin did, lady and gentlemen. What he did instead was
marry my thoughts to these extreme conspiracy theories that the
MAGA Wright might have put out there about the FBI
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having some pivotal role in what transpired on January sixth,
twenty twenty one. That's what he was doing. Look at
this right here, Look at this report from the DOJ.
It reads confusion and lack of coordination contributed to the
FBI's inaccurate report to Congress that had canvas field offices
(08:36):
after January sixth. The FBI reported to Congress that then
had directed its field offices prior to January sixth to
canvas their CHSS for information concerning threats and connection with
the January sixth electoral certification.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
However, as noted, we found that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No canvassing a field officers for source information had occurred.
We found that the FBI statements to Congress were not
intentionally inaccurate, and that confus usion and lack of coordinator
communications contributed to the inaccurate reporting.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Why do I bring that up? It doesn't convict the FBI.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
It doesn't authenticate or validate assertions from the MAGA right
that somehow the FBI was corrupt and they manipulated the
proceedings to invoke or provoke violence at the US Capitol
that ultimately would be blamed on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's not what I was saying. What I was saying
is why the hell are we hearing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
About this now? We took the report so damn long.
How can we didn't hear about this before the election,
And is it possible that the reason why we didn't
hear about it before the election is because folks on
the left wanted to marry January sixth, completely and totally
and utterly to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Is that clear enough?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Since y'all got people chirping, and you said you got
people chirping in your studio, let me chirp to people
in my studio, Brandon, is that c enough? They're clear enough, man,
I think it is. But let me go a step further.
I'm a registered and dependent The people aren't rolling Martin unfiltered,
(10:15):
by the way, watch that the brother's brilliant, I got
love for him, got over a million and a half subscribers.
Ain't trying dissuade anybody from watching my man rolling Martin because.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I watch them.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What I'm saying is these people that were behind the
scenes before they came on as your panelists. I recall
one person saying I even need to know what the
hell I'm talking about, or admit that I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Mega, I got news for you. I'm neither.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I don't completely know all the intricate details, nor am
I mega. I'm a registered and dependent who voted for
Kamla Harris. Oh, by the way, they tried to sit
up there and say I didn't vote.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For Kamala Harris. I'm sorry. I thought, y'all are about facts.
I did vote for her.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had my issues, I have my reservations, but I
was unapologetic about who I was voting for, and I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Was very transparent about it. Where's your facts?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So you get to engage in innuendo express frustration, but
I can't.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Why not every time we turn around.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All I was trying to say is that something repeatedly
comes up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That gives the right fadder to say.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
See look what they did when President Joe Biden decided
to pardon his son Hunter.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He's got no problems with that, But I did have
a problem with them lying about it for months, saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
We're about the rule of law, We're about the rule
of law, We're about the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He said, he's knocking to pardon Hunt, about the rule
of lord, the rule of lord, rule of law.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then all of a sudden he parties them, and
you hear crickets. So here come to write again. See
see they're lying.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I've often joked about people like Sean Hannedy and other conservatives.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That I know that if you are a Republican and
you shot somebody in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue in
New York City, the first words that would come out
of their mouth is the Democrats did it first, because
their real salty position.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's not about acting like they're holier than now.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's about the Democrats always acting like they're on a
higher moral ground and they're above board, when one evidence,
nuggetive evidence after another always comes forth showing us they're not.
That is frustrating for somebody who doesn't know all the facts,
that intricate details and studies this night and day, Like
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Roland Martin, everybody's industry or chosen profession isn't following what's
happening on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And everything associated with it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
People working nine to fives, taking care of families, getting
stuck in traffic for two hours a day, preoccupy with
an abundance of other things, relying on others to give
them information, but also frustrated that everybody's got.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
To spend That's all I was saying.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I didn't take a definitive position against anybody into perpetuity
I'm simply making the point that it gets frustrating to
see little nuggets of intel always leaking out, usually after
the fact, incriminating one side or the other all the
(13:49):
damn time, and Roland Lamar will come up with his
facts and he'll spew them out for the world to know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That doesn't erase the perception and rollingd On You notice
better than me, Bruh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Perceptions provoke people's attitude while they walk to the polls.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Even more so than the facts.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's not that the facts don't matter, but that they
always seem so debatable. Ultimately, it comes back to how
you feel. Am I clear enough being? Am I convoluted?
Now fellas ladies, I'm a frustrated voter. I watched the
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Democrats get their ass kicked. I watched them in the
aftermath of the election literally say, well, Trump really didn't
win the popular vote. I mean, he didn't get fifty
percent of the vote.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Who cares.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He won a popular vote, he won an electoral college vote,
he won all the swing states, he increased it practically
every demographic and you got people coming on the airways. Well,
it really wasn't a referendum against the Democratic Party because
you know what, he didn't get fifty percent of the vote.
He didn't get fifty percent of the popular vote. Really,
they got the White House, the House, in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was speaking Macro.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I was just saying, hey, yet another thing that they
can point to to stake some claim to how they've
been victimized by the hands of the left.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Are they probably lying some of the help?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Sure, But what are the Democrats doing?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
The Democrats they're for the working class, They're for the
working class.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
They were for the working class. Well, the working class
doesn't feel that way. Then after the.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Election, we're hearing some Democrats go out there and they're
talking about how too many people in the party are
about catering to the elite. Well, that's what they were
accusing the Republicans are doing. You see how confusing it gets.
Not for you, Roland, You might know.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
What about your million and a half subscribers. They know
what about your boys, They know what.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
About people that walk through the streets throughout America, because
you're rolling around all over the damn place.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
If they know so much, Roland, why were you determined
for Trump's lies not to be heard? If they know
so much rolling because they listen to you. Why were
you so fixated on standing right there in the audience
and whenever Trump spoke, you came on this show and
you said you were gonna stand up and scream lies.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
If they know because they.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Listening to you and other folks who think like you
and know what you know that you wouldn't have to
worry about doing that because they would have consumed your
message and they would know he's lying, wouldn't they? You
know better, and you know that most people are frustrated
citizens who vote, who are mindful of the times that
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we're living in and want finite, definitive evidence about which
side is right and which side is wrong with no
convolution in the equation. And when reports like the DOJ
comes out talking about the FBI on January sixth and
passing words like they weren't intentionally inaccurate, Well, why the
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hell had the word intentionally? You were inaccurate or you
were inaccurate? Where the hell intentional comes from? That's a perception,
that's an opinion, that's not a fact. That's a report
that said they weren't intentionally inaccurate. How can you prove
somebody was intentionally inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That is a thought. It's just me.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I know you know what you're talking about in politics,
I know what I'm talking about in sports.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I just thought that as.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Too common sense people, we could relate to one another
feeling frustrated on either side. See you all away laughed.
In my opinion, I'm center. I see bullshit on both sides.
I know you do too better than me. The difference
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is you care a lot more about one side. I
don't give a shit about either. I just wander as
close to the truth as I can get to elevate
my level of understanding. I am sorry Roland Martin if
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that was such a bad thing that would get you
so riled up that not only did you have to
come at me, you had to throw on the cowboy
had to do it. But I liked seeing it on you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Bruh.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It looked good on you your panel. Nuh it is
what it is. That's all I got to say about that.
I hope I provided some clarity. I was just frustrated
at the right having something in their mind to point
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to the left about again, and the left seemingly slipping
up on providing the ammunition because of the timing of
the report coming out, and whatever potential role they may
or may not have played. I just thought it added
fadder and fuel to a s a side that is
(19:58):
already kicking.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The lefts behind right now. That's all. I wasn't trying
to be specific. I was just expressing frustration.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
As a conscientious observer, not an expert like you, Bro.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I know my lane.
Let me get right to it, because it's a lot
of stuff to get into, and I'm not mad and
pissed off like some people are. But I'm not going
to run from subjects either, because certain things need to
be broached and we're going to get started today in
the world of politics and social media, where many of
you I have taken issue with my takes on the
political headlines, I want to say for.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The record, that's fair. I accept it, and.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It often comes with being a pundit in this business.
I've accepted that a long time ago. With that being said,
I want to address some recent comments from my friend
Roland Martin, who took issue with my thoughts this past
weekend on a Justice Department's report on the January sixth
Capitol riots in twenty twenty one. In summary, I made
the connection that Donald Trump appeared to be right to
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some degree when it came to the conspiracy theories about
the FBI's involvement on that day.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
At least that's how some took it.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, here's what Roland Martin had to say Monday about
my comments on his show, Roland mart It's an unfiltered
take a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I have no idea what the hell steven A was
just talking about. I know stephen A, I respect stephen A.
Stephen A, you know sports on this, you know what
the hell you're talking about? Like, I literally have no
(01:23):
idea what the hell he was talking about there? How
he's pissed off and the Democrats and Trump said stuff
was rigged. And y'all Magla is running that clip everywhere.
Oh they are saying, oh see, even steven the truth,
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the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
They all's knowing the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Go by pad.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Associated Press Fact Focus. Inspector General's January sixth report misrepresented
as proof of FBI set up. The basis of what
the right has been saying is that January sixth was fine,
(02:16):
it was great, it was wonderful.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
But the FBI, it was a setup. The FBI, they
were behind the whole deal. They were were agents. Now,
they were the ones who was starting stuff. That's the report.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And so when stephen A is going on and all
they they said here making Trump out to be true.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
No, he lied.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He lied a couple of things. First off, Roland Martin,
nice touch with the cowboy hat. You should wear it
more often. It's fitting of you. You are from Texas.
After all, uh, you're a Texas fan, if I remember correctly,
so it's that's more appropot that you put on that
had even more so than I do. So good look there,
but nice try ain't gonna work this way. Before I
(03:08):
get into it any further, let me show my audience
exactly what Roland Martin was replying to when he said
I didn't know what the hell I.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Was talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This is what he was responding to that had him
all up in a tizzy.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The news comes amissed a bombshell report from the Justice
Department that revealed the FBI had at least twenty six
confidential informants on the ground when the capital was stormed
on January sixth, twenty twenty one. The report says most
of the informants engaged in illegal activity during the chaos.
The Justice Department says only three of its twenty six
informants president had been instructed to observe potential domestic terrorist
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suspects on the day of the riot. The rest of
the twenty three appeared to have gone to the capital
on their own accord. Upon hearing news of the report,
Vice President elect JD Vance posted the following on x quote.
For those keeping score at home, this was labeled a
dangerous conspiracy thirty months ago end quote. Didn't hear anything
about that for the election. Didn't hear anything about that
(04:11):
when the quote unquote insurrection was broached by Vice President
Kamala Harris as a Democratic nominee the belief that Donald
Trump was a danger to democracy and using this as
a profound, illuminating bullet point to make that case. And
now here we are yet again finding even more evidence
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to Donald Trump's claims when he articulated that process is rigged.
My big issue is that I'm really really sick and
tired of every time I turn around finding something else
that the Democrats have lied about or downplayed or misrepresented
along the way. I mean, I see Republicans like Megan
(04:58):
Kelly or off of Ce Tatum or a Canvas Owens,
or you know, the showing Hannities of the world that you.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Know what I'm getting tired of. I'm getting you know
what I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Getting to the Democratic Party, you know what I'm getting
really pissed off about.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I'm getting really ticked off. And every time they open
their mouth about something pertaining to y'all, they seem right
to make the case that the right had a monopoly
on insidious, evil tendencies, corrupt tendencies, duplicitous, hypocritical, untruthful tendencies,
(05:43):
And every time they made those accusations, we turn around
and find out that at least some of them are
guilty of the same shit.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't know about y'all, but I'm sick of all
of it. I'm sick of all of it. Dave actually
made Donald Trump look like he was right instead of them.
That is what Roland Martin is responding to. That is
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what he is saying. He doesn't understand what the hell
I'm talking about and what I'm saying when he brings
that up. First of all, let me say this about
Roland Martin. Not hang out buddies or anything like that.
But we are friends. He's a guest on this show.
(06:40):
Anytime I ask him to I respect his knowledge, and
he is absolutely right. This is his lane, not mine.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Sports is my thing. This is what he does.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I get that, but I am alive to be an
expert on what the hell comes out of my mouth
and what.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I believe I said.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And that is why I clap back respectfully at my
man Roland Martin, not his panelists chirping and mimicking and
laughing and giggling in the sideline, like anybody know who
the hell they are. I ain't talking about them, That's
a waste of my time. I'm talking about my brother
Roland Martin.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Here.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
When you say you don't understand or you don't know
what the hell I'm talking about, and you have a
panel to piggyback and parrot every syllable you uttered, well,
why are you doing it? If you didn't understand what
I'm talking about? Why am I getting attacked if you
don't he don't understand what I was saying, If it's convoluted,
(07:51):
why not ask me to come on and clarify. Why
not talk to me and say what exactly is it
that you're trying to say. That is not what Roland
Martin did, lady and gentlemen. What he did instead was
marry my thoughts to these extreme conspiracy theories that the
MAGA Wright might have put out there about the FBI
(08:15):
having some pivotal role in what transpired on January sixth,
twenty twenty one. That's what he was doing. Look at
this right here, Look at this report from the DOJ.
It reads confusion and lack of coordination contributed to the
FBI's inaccurate report to Congress that had canvas field offices
(08:36):
after January sixth. The FBI reported to Congress that then
had directed its field offices prior to January sixth to
canvas their CHSS for information concerning threats and connection with
the January sixth electoral certification.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
However, as noted, we found that.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No canvassing a field officers for source information had occurred.
We found that the FBI statements to Congress were not
intentionally inaccurate, and that confus usion and lack of coordinator
communications contributed to the inaccurate reporting.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Why do I bring that up? It doesn't convict the FBI.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
It doesn't authenticate or validate assertions from the MAGA right
that somehow the FBI was corrupt and they manipulated the
proceedings to invoke or provoke violence at the US Capitol
that ultimately would be blamed on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's not what I was saying. What I was saying
is why the hell are we hearing.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
About this now? We took the report so damn long.
How can we didn't hear about this before the election,
And is it possible that the reason why we didn't
hear about it before the election is because folks on
the left wanted to marry January sixth, completely and totally
and utterly to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Is that clear enough?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Since y'all got people chirping, and you said you got
people chirping in your studio, let me chirp to people
in my studio, Brandon, is that c enough? They're clear enough, man,
I think it is. But let me go a step further.
I'm a registered and dependent The people aren't rolling Martin unfiltered,
(10:15):
by the way, watch that the brother's brilliant, I got
love for him, got over a million and a half subscribers.
Ain't trying dissuade anybody from watching my man rolling Martin because.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I watch them.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What I'm saying is these people that were behind the
scenes before they came on as your panelists. I recall
one person saying I even need to know what the
hell I'm talking about, or admit that I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Mega, I got news for you. I'm neither.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I don't completely know all the intricate details, nor am
I mega. I'm a registered and dependent who voted for
Kamla Harris. Oh, by the way, they tried to sit
up there and say I didn't vote.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For Kamala Harris. I'm sorry. I thought, y'all are about facts.
I did vote for her.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I had my issues, I have my reservations, but I
was unapologetic about who I was voting for, and I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Was very transparent about it. Where's your facts?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So you get to engage in innuendo express frustration, but
I can't.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Why not every time we turn around.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
All I was trying to say is that something repeatedly
comes up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That gives the right fadder to say.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
See look what they did when President Joe Biden decided
to pardon his son Hunter.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He's got no problems with that, But I did have
a problem with them lying about it for months, saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
We're about the rule of law, We're about the rule
of law, We're about the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He said, he's knocking to pardon Hunt, about the rule
of lord, the rule of lord, rule of law.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then all of a sudden he parties them, and
you hear crickets. So here come to write again. See
see they're lying.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I've often joked about people like Sean Hannedy and other conservatives.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That I know that if you are a Republican and
you shot somebody in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue in
New York City, the first words that would come out
of their mouth is the Democrats did it first, because
their real salty position.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's not about acting like they're holier than now.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's about the Democrats always acting like they're on a
higher moral ground and they're above board, when one evidence,
nuggetive evidence after another always comes forth showing us they're not.
That is frustrating for somebody who doesn't know all the facts,
that intricate details and studies this night and day, Like
(12:57):
Roland Martin, everybody's industry or chosen profession isn't following what's
happening on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And everything associated with it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
People working nine to fives, taking care of families, getting
stuck in traffic for two hours a day, preoccupy with
an abundance of other things, relying on others to give
them information, but also frustrated that everybody's got.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
To spend That's all I was saying.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I didn't take a definitive position against anybody into perpetuity
I'm simply making the point that it gets frustrating to
see little nuggets of intel always leaking out, usually after
the fact, incriminating one side or the other all the
(13:49):
damn time, and Roland Lamar will come up with his
facts and he'll spew them out for the world to know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That doesn't erase the perception and rollingd On You notice
better than me, Bruh.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Perceptions provoke people's attitude while they walk to the polls.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Even more so than the facts.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's not that the facts don't matter, but that they
always seem so debatable. Ultimately, it comes back to how
you feel. Am I clear enough being? Am I convoluted?
Now fellas ladies, I'm a frustrated voter. I watched the
(14:40):
Democrats get their ass kicked. I watched them in the
aftermath of the election literally say, well, Trump really didn't
win the popular vote. I mean, he didn't get fifty
percent of the vote.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Who cares.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He won a popular vote, he won an electoral college vote,
he won all the swing states, he increased it practically
every demographic and you got people coming on the airways. Well,
it really wasn't a referendum against the Democratic Party because
you know what, he didn't get fifty percent of the vote.
He didn't get fifty percent of the popular vote. Really,
they got the White House, the House, in the Senate.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was speaking Macro.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I was just saying, hey, yet another thing that they
can point to to stake some claim to how they've
been victimized by the hands of the left.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Are they probably lying some of the help?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Sure, But what are the Democrats doing?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
The Democrats they're for the working class, They're for the
working class.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
They were for the working class. Well, the working class
doesn't feel that way. Then after the.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Election, we're hearing some Democrats go out there and they're
talking about how too many people in the party are
about catering to the elite. Well, that's what they were
accusing the Republicans are doing. You see how confusing it gets.
Not for you, Roland, You might know.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
What about your million and a half subscribers. They know
what about your boys, They know what.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
About people that walk through the streets throughout America, because
you're rolling around all over the damn place.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
If they know so much, Roland, why were you determined
for Trump's lies not to be heard? If they know
so much rolling because they listen to you. Why were
you so fixated on standing right there in the audience
and whenever Trump spoke, you came on this show and
you said you were gonna stand up and scream lies.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
If they know because they.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Listening to you and other folks who think like you
and know what you know that you wouldn't have to
worry about doing that because they would have consumed your
message and they would know he's lying, wouldn't they? You
know better, and you know that most people are frustrated
citizens who vote, who are mindful of the times that
(17:18):
we're living in and want finite, definitive evidence about which
side is right and which side is wrong with no
convolution in the equation. And when reports like the DOJ
comes out talking about the FBI on January sixth and
passing words like they weren't intentionally inaccurate, Well, why the
(17:41):
hell had the word intentionally? You were inaccurate or you
were inaccurate? Where the hell intentional comes from? That's a perception,
that's an opinion, that's not a fact. That's a report
that said they weren't intentionally inaccurate. How can you prove
somebody was intentionally inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That is a thought. It's just me.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I know you know what you're talking about in politics,
I know what I'm talking about in sports.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I just thought that as.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Too common sense people, we could relate to one another
feeling frustrated on either side. See you all away laughed.
In my opinion, I'm center. I see bullshit on both sides.
I know you do too better than me. The difference
(18:41):
is you care a lot more about one side. I
don't give a shit about either. I just wander as
close to the truth as I can get to elevate
my level of understanding. I am sorry Roland Martin if
(19:03):
that was such a bad thing that would get you
so riled up that not only did you have to
come at me, you had to throw on the cowboy
had to do it. But I liked seeing it on you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Bruh.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
It looked good on you your panel. Nuh it is
what it is. That's all I got to say about that.
I hope I provided some clarity. I was just frustrated
at the right having something in their mind to point
(19:37):
to the left about again, and the left seemingly slipping
up on providing the ammunition because of the timing of
the report coming out, and whatever potential role they may
or may not have played. I just thought it added
fadder and fuel to a s a side that is
(19:58):
already kicking.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The lefts behind right now. That's all. I wasn't trying
to be specific. I was just expressing frustration.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
As a conscientious observer, not an expert like you, Bro.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I know my lane.
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