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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You know, this is what happens. This is what happens
when it comes to Lebron James. And by the way,
this is the thing that is just so funny. You know,
weeks ago when I got annoyed as something he said,
he was talking about people shitting on the game every day.
Wasn't it Lebron James that shouted on the NBA in
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the playing tournament. Wasn't it Lebron James that showed up
and notified the NBA at the last minute that he
wasn't gonna be participating an NBA All Star Weekend. I
don't know whether it was because he didn't like its
new format or not. Wasn't it Lebron James who were
reportedly sitting in the locker room with players and Doctor
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j and Larry Bird talked to the players about playing
hard and giving the fans what they want to see
and how important All Star Weekend was, And the NBA
thought that the players really really had bought in until
Lebron James gave them, gave the players a side, and
then all of a sudden they went out and allowed
almost four hundred points to be scored in the last
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All Star game before this just passed before. This one
just passed in twenty twenty five. Wasn't that Lebron I
told y'all when he took his talents to South Beach,
and nobody gonna say I had a complain about that.
My complain was about Kevin Durant going to Golden State
after being up three to one, losing the series to them,
and then joining them a month later. But we've been
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passed that. We've been over that, and I wish Kevin
Durant nothing but the best clownish comments about me at all.
But Lebron James. I certainly never had a problem with
Lebron James going to Miami. Nothing's more special than South Beach,
and that brother had me in South Beach four consecutive Junes.
I was grateful to Lebron James. I wasn't mad. But
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when he decided to take his talents to South Beach
and did so without showing the corner in respect of
at least giving Dan Gilbert a heads up that that
was what he was going to do, because he decided to,
you know, run an event essentially with Jim Gray sitting
down and he called he talked about generating over two
and a half million dollars for a worthy cause, fair enough,
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but it being televised on ESPN, and ultimately making his
announcement that he was taking his talents to South Beach.
Did y'all remember what happened in the aftermath of that,
Remember a collective bargaining negotiation that followed where players were
stripped to seven percent of basketball related income. I mean
commissioner at Stern and those guys were coming forward anyway,
but nevertheless there angs to do so definitely was heightened
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after that. Remember when Chris Paul got moved and got
traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, But Dan Gilbert, who
had nothing to do with the deal whatsoever, wrote an
open letter to the league going absolutely ballistic as to
how the Lakers could get the very very best player
in that trade, which was Chris Paul, and basically come
out with not even having to pay but so much
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for it. They were actually making money while trading for
Chris Paul and acquiring Chris all in the process. And
David starned to the facto owner for the New Orleans
Pelicans at the time, because obviously they didn't have new ownership,
so the league, the facto owned it for the moment
in time Nicks the deal well, while was Dan Gilbert
so insistent on not minding his business and speaking out
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against this so vociferously because he was still pissed off
at how he was treated by Lebron James. See, Lebron
gets his money, but this collateral damage that he leaves
in his wake all over the place, and other players
don't usually see that until it's too late. But we
don't talk about that because he's box office and he's phenomenal,
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and he's on the Mount Rushmore basketball and where he goes,
ratings follow and because of that, we gloss over those facts.
But those ain't the only facts we gloss over. When
Lebron talked about the media weeks ago, what does he
do now? He comes on Pat mcfee's show to Get
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Again today and listen to what he had to say.
Listen closely, check it out. See a lot of shit too.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like I seen Brian Winhurst on one of these shows
not too long ago, Like.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
You guys played together.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The guy was like you know, says he's like my
best friend and these guys are just just weird.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I have worked with Brian Windhors for years. Never once
did he say that Lebron was a best friend. A
matter of fact, years earlier, it was Lebron who sat
in front of the microphones and said, probably nobody knows
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me better than Brian Windhors, who's been covering me since
I was in junior high school. But that's how he
talked about him. Brian Windhors is an ext dephnew commentator
who does a phenomenal job for ESPN my show Get
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Up NBA Today, Sports Centers, goes and covers the game.
He is one of the elite people covering the NBA
in this world. And nobody, I repeat nobody defense Lebron
James more than that man. And look at what Lebron
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James did. Y'all have watched Wendy report for yours. Tell
me one time, tell me one thing that Brian went
to us has done to negatively impact Lebron James. One
take your time, I'll wait. Nobody is more fair. Nobody
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digs deeper, maneuvers through the crevices to find the positive
about Lebron James, no matter what the story is. But
that's how Lebron talked about it. You uns stopped that,
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though he also went into today's players compared to yester year.
I thought that was a subject he didn't want to touch.
I thought that we should just have an appreciation for
the game and not really really compare Lebron James is
one of the people that told us that until he
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had the platform event, and look at what he.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Said every single day that he's better. He's not better.
He wouldn't. You're trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be
able to play an NBA game in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
He wouldn't be able to do.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Giannis answer the coupo would have two hundred and fifty
points in a game in a seventies two hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Perhaps, But wasn't that disrespectful to the pioneers who paved
the way for this game, Ladies and gentlemen. Would Julius
Irvin have been who he was if it were not
for Connie Hawkins. Would Michael Jordan had had a model
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to emulate and elevate beyond if it were not for
Julius Irving. What about Vince Carter when it comes to
Michael Jordan. What about Kobe Bryant when it comes to
Michael Jordan. What about Shaq when it came to Wilt
or Kareem or Elijah Wan? What about the birds of
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the world. When you think about Jerry West, when you
think about somebody like that, the COB's of the world,
the MJ's of the world. There was no elgend Beala
or Oscar Robinson before them. You see, the point is
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you use previous greatness to measure what the level of
greatness is currently as times have evolved, and you show
an appreciation for it, you don't get upset because people
are out there comparing one to the other. You're talking
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about championships, you're talking about leadership, you're talking about durability,
which obviously Lebron is tops at, not only capabilities, which
he's on a Mount r That's why he's on the
Mount Rushmore. I could simply sit up there and say,
you know what Jannis would have got is Jiannice would
have been great, but he also would have got knocked
on his ass a lot, and he would have went
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to the free throw line, and the Feith throw line
was his achilles heel. With the exception of that game
six closed out against Phoenix in the finals, free throws
have always been his achilles heel, but he's phenomenal. We're
able to look and we're able to say, as we
look at the great Alan Iverson and we look at
some of the great great small guards in NBA history,
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we also have to take tom to pause and remind
them about this dude named Isaiah Thomas who was phenomenal
with a heart and guts and the leader of the
physical bad boy Pistons. We look at the game, we
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talk about Steph Curry, the greatest shoot of God has
ever created. Oh, by the way, he plays a point guard,
and oh, my lord, the greatest point guard. And then
a guy like Eddie Johnson for NBA Today or NBA
Radio on SyRI Exem reminds us, oh, wait a minute.
My definition of a point guard is a quintessential floor facilitator,
a flower general who facilitates for others, facilitates opportunities for others.
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That's why Steph Curry can't get that. That's got to
be magic Johnson. It's a crime to bring up history,
to look at the game and to compare it, and
I have an opinion about it. When the conversation unquestionably
and undeniably involves greatness. If you're not great, you're not
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a part of that conversation. Nobody views that as a crime.
But that man that showed up on Pat McAfee's show
today because he must be to go. It can't be
anything else. You lost six NBA Finals. There is a
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definals against Dallas that you specifically choked in four consecutive
fourth quarters of an NBA Finals series against Dirk Novisky
and the Dallas Mavericks with Jason Terry or JJ Berea
who resembled many me standing next to you guarding you,
and you averaged two point two points in the fourth quarter.
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As great as you are, had nothing to do with
your skill, had nothing to do with their zone defense,
had nothing to do with your capabilities, had everything to
do with your heart. The rest of us didn't have
the skill. You had everything, but also a ten man
syndrome at that time. Once you learned to win, nothing
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could stop you. If we only went about Lebron, if
we only looked at Lebron James career, since he won
his first championship, ladies and gentlemen, we could have the
go conversation because since he started winning, My god, it
is what it is but before that, that heart transplant
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that he needed. It is my belief Michael Jordan would
have been in the hospital blocking the door every single
time figuratively speaking, to prevent him from having that heart transplant.
He had just shut him down, took his heart right
out of his chest, and wouldn't have allowed him to
have another heart. That's the difference. That's how I feel.
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Others may think differently, clearly that man does, and y'all
will just sit here and act like that had nothing
to do with him getting in my face. No, no
at all. Remember how I told you all the story
about I'd look at rich Paul in them and I say,
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damn it, I got him on the Mount Rushball. I
got him number two all time, and y'all act like
it's an insult. And Rich Paul looked at me and said,
it is an insult. Where you get that from. Not
to say that Rich Paul doesn't think for himself, because
I know he does, but that man feels that way. No,
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he doesn't like me. I don't like him either. My
feelings about him are what they are, and it's based
on personal interactions and what I've seen. In terms of
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how I believe he's treated others. It's my opinion. It's
none of anybody's business beyond that. His feelings are about
me talking about basketball, and y'all gonna let him get away.
You're trying to classify me as somebody who would talk
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about him as a dad, as if I exposed something
that was having happening in the privacy of their home
in Brentwood somewhere, as opposed to me talking about what's
going on in the Lakers' uniform, at the Crypto dot
Com arena or elsewhere. Y'all go let me get away
with that. Y'all go right ahead. I don't have to
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approach this subject anymore, but I will broach Lebron James
any damn time I please. As long as he's playing
this game. He's a relevant sports news topic, and I'm
going to do my job professionally and ethically. I don't
have to like him to do that, and he doesn't
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have to like me in order for me to do it.
I don't get paid to talk to him. I get
paid to talk about him. But tell him he's welcome
to talk to me anytime. But we all know that
ain't gonna happen. As I told y'all before early in
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the show, just to make sure that it wasn't something
that I would benefit from in terms of ratings or
anything like that. I offered to come on a shop
when they confronted me. This was a couple of years ago.
It's never happened because it's a little bit different when
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you got to say some of the stuff right in
front of the person, and a person has facts to
refute what you're saying. Maybe that's why he didn't want
to meet me in the back after the game to
have a conversation at the Lakers game. Maybe that's why
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he didn't come up to me and say wait for me,
and he talked to you. Maybe maybe that's why he
didn't want to have to deal with a real conversation
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about all the things that he's done to create this
whole brew. Ah, I get it. I'm not going away,
ladies and gentlemen. I don't have to talk to Lebron James.
I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm doing fine.
There are beat writers and other reporters that have to
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talk to him. I don't, and to be quite honest
with you, at this point, don't much want to. I
wish him well. I'm looking forward to covering him as
his career slowly crawls to a end, and I'll be
one of the first thanking him for the greatness he's
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put on display as a basketball player. I, like everybody else,
will miss him when he's gone as a man. In
terms of how I firmly believe he elected to handle
this situation with the cameraman behind him and all this
other stuff, I think it's shady as hell. That's how
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I feel. That's where I stand, and it's little to
nothing that he can do to change my mind at
this point. God bless him and his family. Wish him
nothing but the best. Look forward to talking y'all about
other NBA topics as well. And I don't give it
damn what y'all said. It was no way in hell
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I was gonna let that man talk to bs that
he spewed today have a response to it. That was
not gonna happen. M m
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Mm hmm.