September 16, 2024 • 41 mins
In this episode, Tudor and Ned Ryun discuss the themes of his book, 'American Leviathan,' which critiques the growth of the administrative state and its impact on American governance. They explore the historical context of progressivism, the founders' intentions, and the current political landscape, emphasizing the need for a return to constitutional principles and individual rights. The conversation highlights the dangers of bureaucracy, the clash of governing philosophies, and the importance of civic engagement in restoring the republic. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I have my
friend here who has recently written a book, and I
love when he writes books because they're very easy to read,
very easy to understand, but also very convicting. And so
I am excited to have Ned Ryan with me. He
is the founder and CEO of American Majority and Voter Gravity,
as well as the author of several books, that includes
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his latest, which is American Leviathan, The Birth of the
Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. Ned thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Absolutely too great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I mean, honestly, when I read this, I'm not kidding
about it being convicting, but also even more so, I
think I read this and I was like, man, I
was that person who ran for office thinking that we
were still in the situation where good people can run
for office and you are being elected by the people
and you serve the people, you don't serve the administrative state.
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I'm reading that. As I ran, I was like, man,
this is really messed up. How this is the behind
the scenes is highly disturbing, and if you haven't done it.
I watch people who are critical of people running for office, like, oh,
you should it in this that you should did in that,
and I'm like, try and try doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This is so I'm glad you read it. This is
something that I've kind of talked about, thought about for
a while, and wanted to really show the American people
in as approachable a way as possible the reality of
what is. I think we've been living a bit of
a lie and an illusion that we're still constitution republic.
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I think, in fact, how DC and many state capitals
operate is in fact an administrative state that progressive set
in motion over one hundred years ago with the overt
purpose Tutor, and this I cannot stress this enough. Progressives
hate the Constitution. The whole entire point of the progressive
movement was to annihilate the political and moral authority of
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the US Constitution, and the progressive movement set out to
destroy the machinery of the republic. And by that I
mean the diffusion of power, the separation of powers, which
is an absolutely vital part. I would say, it's the
essence of our constitution. And they hated all of those things,
and more importantly, Tutor, progressives hate the idea of a
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rights based government. And what do I mean by that, Well,
we believe that all men are created equal, they are
endowed by their creator with certain unbitable rights, that among
these are life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. That
to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. Governments
are instituted to secure those rights and take none of
them away. Progressives hated that idea, and they hated that
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idea because they felt that the states should subsume everything.
It should subsume corporations, individuals, individual rights. Because the whole
idea of the administrative state, this massive bureaucracy, separate from accountability,
political accountability, quite frankly separated from the American people, was
to consolidate power so that we might achieve progress, we
might achieve the perfection of mankind. Well, in that process,
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you can't have individuals claiming their rights against government, because
that would throw the proverbial monkey wrench stand in the
gears and slow down progress. So you have to consolidate
power for efficiency to achieve progress. And you have to
remove the idea that individuals have rights because that would
also slow down progress. So how they envisioned it that
the state would give rights back to the individual or
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corporations if it deemed it beneficial to the state.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I mean, this is exactly what we're hearing today.
But I'm going to plug Hillsdale for a minute, because
Hillsdale is offering these free courses, and so they talked
to me and they were like, we'd love to have
you take some of these courses, and I got I
took one, and then I was just like, I've got
I'm kind of in this motive. I have to learn more.
I have to I'm like hungry for actually learning. And
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so I started in on their civil rights course, and
it was amazing to learn how early on this rebellion
started because even the Southern states were trying to say
because they were so afraid of losing slavery, because there
is such an obsession over control, they were saying, the
First Amendment doesn't apply here, you're actually not allowed to
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talk about these things. And then, I mean, even your
book is pointing out how early on people were like,
you know what, the government's going to help fix this.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Rights are more of a series of suggestions than actual guarantee.
I mean, this is so let me explain that a
little bit more. Our founders believed again a creator gave
us on a label rights and that's why.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The revolution was fought.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I write about some of this in Restoring Our Republic,
my first book, and kind of hit some of those
themes in the second book. The adversaries that they were
not fighting for economic freedom for sale, though that kind
of was part of the situation. They were fighting for
their rights to actually self govern. They were fighting to
protect their rights as individuals, and they believe that it
was incumbent upon them because the God that gave them
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their rights actually expected and demanded of them to defend
those rights, to treat that gifts as sacracaying. And out
of that came their vision and ideology that these rights,
which no earthly power gave, no earthly power can take away.
So we have to put in place a government in
which we are realistic about human nature. And this is
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the one thing that our founders got right that progressives
completely got wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Human nature.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Our founders believe that we are imperfect human beings in
an imperfect world, that we have been given incredible rights
by our creator. But because of our imperfect nature, in
which we do often do what we can, not what
we should, we should never be trusted with consolidated power,
and they didn't even trust themselves. By the way, Tutor,
I write about this again in Restoring Our Republic. They're
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sitting in Philadelphia in seventeen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
These guys knew they.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Were going to be the future presidents and the vice
presidents and that representatives and the senators and the judges.
You're sitting in that room, do you go, I want
to make sure that I'm always in control? Or am
I going to put in place a system of government
that actually makes it harder for me to achieve power
and keep it. And they worked against their own interests
and they put in place a diffusion of power, separation
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of powers because they didn't even trust themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I will own human nature.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I always tell the people around me. And I have
never said this on this podcast. But when I was first,
I hadn't announced yet, and I was just talking about
running and I was talking to one of our elected
officials in Michigan government about this. And you know, I
think most people when you first talk about this, like
you have no idea what you're talking about. And so
we talked and we talked, and then as I got
to the door to walk out, he said don't let
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it seduce you. Yeah, And I remember thinking that's a
gross comment, But now it plays over in my head
all the time because I see it. It is people.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Power is a power, powerful drug that most human beings
have an inability to resist. And the founders knew that
they didn't trust human nature, and that would be a
really good place for us to get back to. Because so,
let me also explain. The declaries of Independence and the
Constitution codified what was a common set of ideals and
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beliefs at the time. People don't really think about this.
They go, well, where did the Declaration of Independence come from?
Where did the Constitution come from? It didn't come from
thin air. It codified what they believed, and they truly
believed this world view right where do rights come from?
Was the purpose of government and that's what they wanted
to put in place, and that's what they did. They
gave us the greatest political documents the world has ever seen.
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Progressives hated every last bit of that because they were
utopian status. They actually bought into the philosophy of a
Prussian propagandist, gay Org Hegel, who would write in the
eighteen hundred that the state is the march of God
on earth. The state decides what is objective truth, it
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decides what is science. It decides all of these things.
And out of the power of the state comes everything
that will be considered a benefit to society. That's why
we have to have a massive bureaucracy filled with the
educated elite who will be the oracles of God to
the dirty little peasants to tell them how they should
live so they might be perfected and tutor.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
This is the other thing.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
When you read the writings of progressives back in the day,
you feel like you're reading the rantings of diluted madmen
who are detached from reality and the empirical evidence of
millennia about human nature.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
They trust themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's what I was going to say. That's the difference.
If you look and having come out of the world
of manufacturing, in business ownership, if you look at the founders,
you see inventors. You see people who were trying to
to innovate. You see people who were warriors, who were soldiers.
You see people who were business owners and people who
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had fought against the crown, people who understood what it
was like to try to make it on their own,
and they said, we're not going to We're not going
to give away all of our stuff to everybody else.
This is about each individual, each individual. But if you
look you're right, if you look back at the writings
marks all of these people, they were just thinkers, just
wealthy thinkers.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
They were detached from reality.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So but going back to what you were saying about
the Founders, I want to be very clear on this
front because it really applies to what we're experiencing today.
Our founders were fighting against an authoritarian form of government.
That's why they fought the revolution and I called actually
the American Restoration because you look back at their writings
why they were fighting. We want our rights restored. The
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British empires decided that even those rights that were sented
to by kings, by parliament kind of more series of
suggestions now decided that we're going to completely change this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You will do.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Exactly what we say. We will demand the supremacy of
parliament over your lives, even though you don't have representation.
And oh, by the way, we think you're a backwater
sinkhole of prejudice and hatred because of your idea of
inherent natural rights and this idea of covenance and idea
of a constitution, So you're going to do what we
say or else. Think about where we are today, Tutor,
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this so educated elite, which I call a credentialed idiocracy,
looks at us who believe in this idea of natural
inherent rights of a constitution of covenance. You are backwards,
full of hatred and prejudice. And all we're sitting here
is going we want our rights restored. We want our
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rights restored via a real constitution, republic. And again, in
a republic, all power flows from the people to their
duly elected representatives, elected representatives who they make stewards of
the power and money given to them to set up
a government that actually benefits, promotes, and defends the interests
of the American people. That's but where we're at right
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now is you have an administrative state filled with unelected
bureaucrats who are not accountable to the American people. They're
not accountable to our duly elected representatives who have basically
decided we're the ones.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
In charge, you will do what we say. For example, Fauci.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I talk about Fauci in this whole ridiculous incident that
we went through with COVID, credentialed idiocricy. Mask, no mask,
Get a vaccine which wasn't a vaccine by the way, Get.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A second shot, Get boosters. You won't get it. Oh
you did get it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What are we even doing this credentialed idiocracy. The premise
of the administrative state was somehow it would be an
enlightened rational state. All we have now are these powerful
credentialed idiots who are dictating to society and damaging us,
destroying our freedom. And I make the argument too too
in this the greatest threat to our freedoms and to
our civil liberties is a powerful UNAEIS bureaucracy. The administrative
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state doesn't care about our rights, doesn't care about the
American people, actually views us more as an ATM to
fund their priorities, and anything that might be a benefit
to us as an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So I think the book is so important because people
for so long have talked about the deep state, and
I think the deep state became a name that people
didn't fully understand. And as and you comment or you
point out in the book, you know you've always been
in the position where if you didn't like who you
had in this country, you could vote the mount and
you could get someone new. You have what two years,
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every two years, every six years, you can get new
people that are representing you. Now in Michigan, I think
we've had kind of one of the best examples of
the administrative state because we put in term limits for
our people, and so they were at the point where
they were getting rushed. But by the time they knew
what they were being used, they were out of there.
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And so the people that are the bureaucracy, the bureaucrats
that work there, they stay and they're like, you've got
to pass this bill, and you've got to pass this bill.
It's no longer representing the people. It's representing the bureaucracy
who's been there, and they can manipulate these twenty three
year old kids that come into the legislature, and that's
who we are getting. Oftentimes it's not a high paid job,
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but it's a full time job. The people around them
are like, ha haha, let me see what I can
do with you. Let me convince you you're oppressed. You
can change it. You could change the oppression.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I write in the book that in many ways elections
are an opiate of the masses. Elections come and go,
administrations come and go, the state remains, and so we
have to ask ourselves, do we really want to have
elections in which this was Donald Trump's greatest cent in
the eyes of permanent DC, the administrative state, do the
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elected representative American people.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
He shows up in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
DC goes I'm the one who decides both foreign and
domestic policy.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They're like, yeah, we don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, no, no, Actually, as a republic, I'm the one
who decides, like, yeah, that's not how it works. Really,
And for that for the temerity to say, as the
duly elected president of the United States, I'm the one
who decides. Trump was treated as a traitor to his
country and they had a slow moving coup against him
for his entire four years because he thought we were
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still a republic. And so people ask, what's going on
in DC need, Well, that's what you're seeing. You're seeing
two very different competing governing philosophies that the great outsider,
Donald J. Trump brought to the surface because he was
operating under a certain worldview in a certain way that
the government's supposed to work. And then the reality of
what is you're seeing a clash of governing philosophies, and
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that's I mean, they're oil and water, never going.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
There's not a party exempt from this. Because the perfect
example is right now, if you are looking at Washington,
d C. There is no president. There is no president
of the United States. He is not in there, he
is not mentally capable of doing this. And yet there's
no one setting off our alarm bells. There's no one,
no Republican freaking out and going, oh my gosh, we
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have no leader. They're like, oh, it's okay. The train
keeps rolling because it's the people around him that do it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
The last two Republican presidents that rejected the premise that
the administrative state was legitimate before Donald J. Trump, Richard
Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Every president in the White House
since Reagan until Donald Trump showed up, including George H. W.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Bush. George W.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Bush, accepted the legitimacy of the administrative state. They accepted
the premise that it was somehow a legitimate form of
government that somehow worked for our republic, when in fact
it didn't. This is where again, if Trump wins, and
I'm pretty optimistic that he will win, it's going to
be close.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It's going to be it's going to be a dogfight.
Day one.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He has to announce I am going to break apart
and dismantle the administrative state. And he can do this too.
This is the thing that people need to understand when
I talk about the administrative state in the deep state.
The administrative state is this massive, sprawling bureaucracy. You've got
the surveillance state, the deep state, right, the fbiicia NSA, right,
very powerful, very dangerous. You've got the regulatory state. And
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you know this having been in manufacturing and business. The
regulatory state, I think is a threat to our economic freedom.
It is a threat to our national security because of
everything that it does to damage our our manufacturing of
and vital important things on shore and also slowing down.
I was reading something on elon mus x feed about
delay of sixty months on something he's doing because of regulators. Okay,
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so this slows us down our.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Whole host Let me let me I'll just put one
comment in there. Y. I talked to a guy two
days ago who said that they changed the standards on
the machines that he was using for everything he makes
in aerospace, and he said they kid The government literally
walked in my doors and said, you have to scrap
thirty six machines forty five thousand dollars apiece. No choice,
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he said, I went broke. And he said, I have
just started to pay off the new machines, because what
choice do I have. This is what I know, this
is my business. The government walked in his door and said,
you don't meet this speck anymore. He said that the
electrical difference in the two machines was non existence. He
said one was a wave and one was a straight line.
And they said, we don't go with the one anymore.
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You have to go with this one. He said, it
made no difference, what no safety difference?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Nothing think about though, again going back to progressives believe
that the state is a living organism that subsumes all
the rights of corporations and individuals. So again, this is
kind of an age old struggle. I make the point
at the end, is an age old struggle that takes
place between the state for man or man for the state.
We're just the most recent battlefield in this struggle. Does
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the government actually secure our rights and take none of
them away and actually benefit the people, or does the
state rule us and dictate to us on all aspects
of life, and that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, yes, Kis.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Here's another The progressives view the state of salvation right, So,
why would you ever want to limit salvation? Salvation should
be in aspect of our lives. It should be in
business and manufacturing, and health and education, all these different aspects.
And even more so, it's almost like a test. Do
you want salvation for your life?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Tutor?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Sure, well, then why would you ever limit it? That's
why people go, why does government continue to grow? Why
does government debt continue to grow? Why are they talking
about eighty seven thousand new IRS agents to hoover up
the six hundred dollars PayPal transactions? Because you have to.
You have to fund salvation, Tutor, and there will be
no into salvation. Therefore, there'll be no into government growth,
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There'll be no end too. You actually funding your salvation.
That's how progressives think.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. This is what is passing in
Michigan and it goes into effect in February. This is
the breakdown of the free market. Our businesses now are
required by law to give six or eight days of
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paid sick leave one of the two they're required to
give that they're required to give a certain amount of
vacation that rolls over. You can never lose your vacation.
You now have a requirement that all vacation rolls over,
and you have up to three years to sue your
former employer after you leave if you feel like you
were robbed of some of that vacation or sick time.
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And our businesses are like, who would work here? And
the crazy part about it is we are in an
employees market right now. If the employee doesn't like the job,
they can go down the street because everybody is looking
for workers. How can you go into a company and
say you have to run your HR department this way?
How is this possible?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I like to bureaucrats tinkering with the free market and
capitalism is how you destroy it. They have no idea.
I mean, this is this is the Biden Harris administration
the last four years. They have no idea how the
economy works. They have no idea how inflation works. And
they're sitting there tinkering with it, trying to dictate people
that have no idea how any of this works and
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annihilating the economy, bringing about massive inflations because they don't
really know what they're doing. And this is again the farce.
This is the farce of the administrative state.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Tutor.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It was promised to the American people at the birth
of the administrative state that these would be educated elite
that applied science would bring us to the place of perfection.
These people don't know what they're doing, They have no idea.
But the problem that we have in this country today
is they're extremely powerful. And that's why, you know, I
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say at the end of the book, Donald Trump will
hopefully declare war on the administrative state. He has to
understand that the foundation of the swamp is the state.
Break the state, drain the swamp, restore the republic. Simple
to say that it will be monumental an application.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
The most successful business owners that I met, for the
most part in Michigan were not the ivy league. They
were the people who busted their tails. They understood it.
They were not educated. They were educated in street smarts.
You know, they'd be like, I was more street smart
than I was book smart. But I knew if I
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kept pushing here and here and I will say that.
I spoke with one of our biggest companies yesterday and
I said, you know, we have this fund where we
give all this money to the big three every year.
And he was like, what do you mean, and I said, well,
you know the automotive industry. They always take hundreds of
millions of dollars out of this fund and promise us jobs,
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and we never get jobs, and they have layoffs. And
he said, how much money are they getting And he said,
I've never taken a single dollar from the state. He said,
to be honest, I won't because I don't want them
coming in and telling me how to run my business.
And I said, but think about that. We are complaining
about ev mandates right now and we think it's the
government forcing the automotive industry to take it. But it's
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a partnership because they've already been bought by the government.
They make massive amounts of money, and yet we pay
them hundreds of millions every year.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So one of the founders of the progressive movement was
a man by the name of Herbert Crowley, not as
well known as some of the others like Woodrow Wilson
or Theodore Roosevelt. When he started proposing some of his
ideas in early nineteen hundreds, his critics said, you're basically
arguing for fascism and authoritarianism because of the fusion of
the states and corporations. So think about that. Think about
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where we are today, big corporations, big tech, big government.
You think what is going on, Well, that's the whole
point of the administrative state, was the fusion of all
of these to be working together. That was the whole
goal the whole time with the administrative state and progressives,
that they were going to fuse all of these entities
into one massive power again first of all to control
the country and then dictate to the American people. This
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is how it's going to work. So none of this
should be surprising. I hope when people read the book,
it's illuminating. It's a moment of clarity. None of this
should be a surprise because progressives were very honest one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Ago exactly what they set out to.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
In fact, Woodrow Wilson said this. It was on a
July fourth speech, ironically, in which he said, we are
not bound to adhere to the ideals of the signs
of the Declaration of Independence. We are as free as
they are to make or unmake governments. They were very
honest about what they had set out to do to
get us to where we are today. So none of
us should be a surprise. We're just living there the
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reality of their dreams, and.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We're one hundred years into it and we haven't really
all realized it. I think that we are many of
us don't realize what we're fighting against. And I think
that Donald Trump was kind of this wake up call
of wait a minute. He hasn't been a lifelong politician.
He doesn't come from a family that has been in politics.
You know, most of if you look, there's been a
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lot of dynasties in the United States still that go
one person to the next person in that's in state
government and that's in federal government. And he was outside
of that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And he's just.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Very detrimental to the American people, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, and exactly because I think that you get
so what you're talking about, it becomes normal to these people,
and they they continue to go even Republicans people think
that this is not happening. It's happening on both sides,
where you continue to go back to that idea of
control well, if we could just control this and you
make more agencies, so you have the DNR who suddenly
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is making rules about hunting and then turn into laws
even though they're not laws, but people can get a
missed demeanor if they break the rule, and then they
can have their guns taken away. It's all crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So, but you're hitting on a theme that I talk
about a little bit in regards to the Chevron doctrine. Yes, yes, yeah,
I'll say this really quick, tutor, when you write a book,
submit it off to the races a few months later,
go darn it. I wish I had actually written about
some other things because I completely missed it. So I'll
talk about one that I did not miss, which is
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the Chevron Doctrine, in which this summer the Supreme Court said,
we're overturning that it's been in existence for forty years.
We're no longer going to defer either through the judicial
branch and quite frankly, legislative branch to the statutes and
regulations of the unelected bureaucrats, which has essentially been governing
this country, not like the federal level, but the state
level as well. We're not going to do this anymore
because it's unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It really was.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
The I undermined the idea of an independent judiciary, which
was deeply important to our founders. By the way, our
founders deeply resented the British courts who were not fully
independent of the Crown, who are essentially rubber stamping all
of the edicts of King George the Third and his
ministers in Parliament. They said, we're not doing that in
our newly formed republic. We will have an independent judiciary
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that will actually be a check on the other two branches.
Chevron deference kind of annihilated that idea. The other thing
that the Supreme Court did this summer that has not
been as recognized was they went after the SEC tribunals,
the Security and Exchange Commission tribunals, and people like what
is this?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Those are the administrative.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Law of tribunals that a lot of departments and agencies
in DCAL when cases come before the SEC. This tribunal
ninety percent of the time rules in favor of the SEC.
It's not an independent judiciary. It's literally the judge, jury
and executioner on behalf of the SEC to enforce with
the bureaucrats at the SEC. One Supreme Court said we're
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not doing that anymore. Again, independent judiciary, you can't have
that inside of the Article two executive branch where the
administrative state resides. And oh, by the way, private tribunals
actually annihilate the idea of the Seventh Amendment right to
trial by jury.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But this is what we've.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Been operating under, Tutor. People are under the illusion all
constitutional republic separation of powers. We have the Bill of Rights,
with all of these enumerated rights, we're living in a republic.
The reality that I just explained with the SEC is
one hundred and eighty degrees opposite in reality of how
DC works, and that when the first domino was flicked
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over one hundred and ten years ago by progressive system
the administrative state, it was almost inevitable that we would
end up right here and here we are.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think for many people these changes, they haven't fully
felt them, or they haven't understood where they've come from.
And I think in the last few years, the banning
gas stoves, suddenly you all have to have new vehicles.
We're not going to have the same energy. We're going
to have these gigantic windmills in the across the entire
all of our farmland. We're going to have these solar panels.
(27:30):
And the thing that makes me crazy about that, and
I'll just say this really quickly. People have heard me
talk about this before. As a manufacturer. I started looking
into because I don't believe that this is this is different,
and I don't believe that you put you have these
giant windmills and then you have to bury them in
the middle of Texas or the middle of Wyoming and
that's safe. And it turns out that they're filled with
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forever chemicals. So you may be fixing one tiny thing
where you say, okay, now we don't have these greenhouse emissions,
these greenhouse gases. You're destroying the ocean, You're destroying the land,
you're destroying the watershed. What are you doing? We have
no consumer Look at what China's done.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
They're des do electric vehicle batteries. What do you do
with those?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
What do you do with those after they don't live
as they don't last as long as people think they do,
and obviously filled with all kinds of damaging chemicals, what
do you do with those?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And here's a very little secret. We've never made them
in the United States. They're building all these factories right now,
and the factories are incredibly poisonous, and the factories are
for some reason exempt from environmental review. Why because there
are lobbyists who say it's okay.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, the thing that's scary about this push I consider
climate change of hoax that if you're to go down
this path, ninety five percent of electric vehicle batteries are
made in China. A lot of things that come from
this Green New Deal and climate change.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We've got to.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Have this renewable energy a lot of us produced in China.
So if we were to go down that path and
say we are no longer going to use fossil fuels
because the educated elites and the oracles of the States
have decided this is bad for us, we would actually
put ourselves into a situation where we would be heavily
dependent upon the communist Chinese solitarian state for our energy
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needs and providing for this economy, which, by the way,
since i'm on this topic, i'll mention this. Germany tried
to do this. Germany tried to go on the renewable energy.
We're going to actually run our economy off of this
total and complete disaster. You cannot run a first world
economy off renewable energy.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It does not work, it will never work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, I'm pretty sure I heard Kamala Harris tell me
that she was going to stop storms in the debate
the other night, So apparently she's divine as well in
some your cancer or whatever exactly. But let me fight
back a little bit on your climate change comment. Not
specifically about climate change, but as someone who worked in
a factory, the factories in the United States, there is pollution.
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Pollution does exist, and that does go into the ground,
and that does affect people, and you do end up
with full communities that end up with cancer and problems.
And we have fought so hard against that in the
United States, and manufacturing has fought hard against it. It's
been those business owners that have fought to fix this
and have the cleanest manufacturing in the world. And I
witnessed it. I saw what it took to stop this,
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to clean it up, to change it. Now we're bringing
factories in from China and we have no idea what
they're going to do, and that is real, and that
is harmful.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
This is the one thing I didn't discuss it in
this book, but I've been formulating some of my thoughts
on ethical capitalism, that we should have a free market,
we should have people that are free to actually achieve
their dreams of creating new businesses, the entrepreneurs, all that stuff.
One of the reasons we got the progressive movement and
the administ state was because of unethical corporate behavior with
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the railroads and with massive corporations that we're abusing the people,
We're abusing the privilege, if you will.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So in reaction to.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That unethical, hyper aggressive capitalism, you got the progressive movement.
I would call it in many ways corrupt capitalism on
some levels that would do anything and everything to earn
a dime.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's how you got the progressive movement.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So I think that we on the free market capitalist
side of things have to understand we have rights and
responsibilities to society, to our world to actually do everything
that we can to be successful, while at the same
time being very good stewards of what has been given
to us, whether it's this world, whether it's the community,
whether it's the people that are working for us, and
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to try and find that right balance.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, No, I agree, and I think that's something that
because there's a gray area there. It's been taken advantage
of by this progression of movement.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And we can not what we should.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, well, if you can demonize a group, then you
have the upper hand. As soon as you can put
somebody into some sort of a racist, oppressive, some sort
of paint them into a corner in some way, you
have the upper hand. And the court of public opinion
is very powerful.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Every status, every authoritarian's atalitarian, wants to dehumanize, subhumanize its
political opposition. There have been hyper cases of it. I
mentioned obviously the man with the funny little mustache who
used that subhuman strategy on the Jews in Germany. But
it's always been a tactic of them to dehumanize their
opposition to then get them to shut up, submit, but
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also to the point of you're not really a legitimate
voice in society. This is what concerns me again, all
the TV that I've done over the years and all
the things I've experienced.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Watching what takes place.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
This is why you had President Trump almost shot in Butler, Pennsylvania,
because of the dehumanizing tactics that the left has used
to say that Donald Trump and his supporters aren't really
fully responsible citizens of this society. Therefore you can pretty
much do to them whatever you want. We haven't fully
gotten to that stage, just to be clear toutor but
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that's where they want us to go, and that's why
they've they've literally done all this stuff to Trump. We
don't know the reality or the facts of what actually
happened in Butler, which is a shame. But the fact
that the climate was created in which someone could actually
try and kill Donald Trump was purposeful. It was intentional.
It's been going on for years.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean I think having run for office, I realized, wow,
this is and it doesn't matter what they say. There's
no fighting, there's no legal fight against it. They can
lie about you, they can say anything they want, and
you have no legal recourse against all of their lives.
It's shocking.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, speaking of redress of grievances, this is the problem
the administrative state, because they're detached from the American people.
People have no real redress against injustices that are done
to them. Because again, when you remove and again, only
separation progressives believed in was separating out the administrative state
from any political accountability. Again, people are too and the
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republic have duly elected representatives that are accountable to them.
Progresses want of nothing to do with that. But when
you separate out those who are doing the true governing
of the country and there's no ability to redress grievances
against them, you end up with authoritarianism in which well
you're going to do it because we say, say, dirty
little peasants, and people are sitting out here going this
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feels like a feudal system.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I allude to this in.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The book The administrative state is really a feudal system
in which the serfs are out here, you better do
what we tell you, and they're going. What is our
right to redress grievances against this system? There isn't one.
That's the whole point.
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It takes us back to the book, and I want
you to promo the book because I do think that
that's how people can learn about this. I think so
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many honestly, here, yes, a double shot of book, and
it's behind you too. So now it's like no matter
where you look, you see the book. If you're watching,
if you're listening, you can go to Rumble and see it.
But honestly, go get the book, because I do think
that we have so many people right now who are
feeling like, man, we're losing that Republican and you point
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out why, and I think it's important to know the
why to know how to fix it, because if you
don't know how it's happening, you really can't fix it.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So people have asked how we're going to address this,
and again it'll be monumental, and Apple, as you alluded to,
has been growing for over one hundred years. I talk
about system dynamics, how reinforcing loops, of which there are
many inside the administrative states, start slowly accelerate, almost like
compounding interest, and before you know it, you have this massive,
powerful leviathan that's been growing for over one hundred years.
(37:16):
So people like, how are you going to actually fix
this net what are some of your solutions? I address
that in the last chapter, but I think there's three
things that are vital for us ending the administrative state
here in the United states. First of all, a powerful
executive at the head of the executive branch, Donald J. Trump,
where most of the administrative state resides, saying I'm going
to declare war on the administrative state. And if Congress
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continues to beffeckless and weak willed and spineless, I can
still do a lot of damage to devolving and destroying
the administrative state through executive orders, through whole series of
reform items that I've put in that last chapter.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's step one.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Step two the Supreme Court actually stepping up and saying,
as an independent judiciary who decides this is constitutional or not,
after the Chevron doctrine, after the sec tribunal decisions, the
Supreme Court has to actually step up more into this
situation and go administrative state deeply unconstitutional, continue to chip
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away at the foundations of it. But ultimately, at the
end of the day, the way that the administrative state
ends in this country is that the American people become
aware of it, become aware of its abuses, and reject
any and all legitimacy that they claim they have. And
the American people say, this is not legitimate. We want
to republic back. But the only way the American people
can get to that point his understanding was taking place.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's one of the reasons I wrote the book.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I tried to make it relatively short, to make it
approachable and as simple as possible for people to understand
what's taking place. It has to be a knowledge of
what is happening before you can come to solutions and
say we do not accept this anymore. So I hope
when people read the book will go, yeah, we're not
doing this anymore. Hopefully Donald Trump, hopefully the Supreme Court,
hopefully more of our duly elected representatives are going to
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actually fight for our rights and say we're not going
to accept the aministrative state is legitimate anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, So they better read the book quick.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
We're coming up to this election, Okay, so tell them
where they can get it.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Go to Amazon dot com you can get it. Barnes
and Noble, you can get it. Books a million, I
think there's another couple sites. But I would say, go
to Amazon dot com and order a copy, read the book, become,
hopefully reach a moment of clarity, a moment of illumination
of how this country, how DC is actually working, and
then ask yourself is this really what we want for
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ourselves and for future generations, because I would argue the
future happiness of generations depends on what we will do
in this moment in rejecting the premise of the administrative
state and saying no, we want our rights restored, we
want a restoration of the republic. And it's going to
be incumbent upon us this current generation of saying we
will no longer accept this, we demand an into this
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because I'm afraid, Tutor, this election right now, if we
do not successfully get Donald trum back into the White House,
it's going to be very very hard, if almost impossible,
to get any political power back to restore the Republic.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think people think that we have this equal government
right now half and half, and I don't think that.
I think you're right, they're not realizing what's going on
behind the scenes. We won't have we won't We will
struggle to have fair elections, we will struggle to have
one party rulestely.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, everything is aiming towards that, Tutor. I hope
people are.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
My fear is that too many Americans are asleep in
the light. They just continue to go through their day.
They're not fully aware of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Very spoiled we are.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
We're very apathetic because we've been truly blessed on a
whole host affronts for literally decades generations. They are fully
intent on one party rule and a one party rule
running the administrative state, absolutely devastating to our freedom and
rights moving forward. We cannot allow them to get to
that point.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, I agree, Well, that means a lot more people
have to go through it. You gotta run, you got
to get out there, you got to run for office,
you got to vote for people, get involved. I mean,
there's so many things that you can do.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
But definitely go vote, please and vote early.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yes, exactly, Ned, Ryan, thank you so much for coming on. Everybody,
go out and get his book American Leviathan. You will
not regret it. You will learn a lot, and you
will be able to go out there and talk to others.
And I think that's it's like spreading the information is
the most important thing. You got to learn it, you've
got to fully understand it, and then you've got to
talk to people about it. So get the book, share
it with others. Thank you, Ned, Thanks Doudor, and thank
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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I have my
friend here who has recently written a book, and I
love when he writes books because they're very easy to read,
very easy to understand, but also very convicting. And so
I am excited to have Ned Ryan with me. He
is the founder and CEO of American Majority and Voter Gravity,
as well as the author of several books, that includes
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his latest, which is American Leviathan, The Birth of the
Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. Ned thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Absolutely too great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I mean, honestly, when I read this, I'm not kidding
about it being convicting, but also even more so, I
think I read this and I was like, man, I
was that person who ran for office thinking that we
were still in the situation where good people can run
for office and you are being elected by the people
and you serve the people, you don't serve the administrative state.
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I'm reading that. As I ran, I was like, man,
this is really messed up. How this is the behind
the scenes is highly disturbing, and if you haven't done it.
I watch people who are critical of people running for office, like, oh,
you should it in this that you should did in that,
and I'm like, try and try doing this.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
This is so I'm glad you read it. This is
something that I've kind of talked about, thought about for
a while, and wanted to really show the American people
in as approachable a way as possible the reality of
what is. I think we've been living a bit of
a lie and an illusion that we're still constitution republic.
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I think, in fact, how DC and many state capitals
operate is in fact an administrative state that progressive set
in motion over one hundred years ago with the overt
purpose Tutor, and this I cannot stress this enough. Progressives
hate the Constitution. The whole entire point of the progressive
movement was to annihilate the political and moral authority of
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the US Constitution, and the progressive movement set out to
destroy the machinery of the republic. And by that I
mean the diffusion of power, the separation of powers, which
is an absolutely vital part. I would say, it's the
essence of our constitution. And they hated all of those things,
and more importantly, Tutor, progressives hate the idea of a
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rights based government. And what do I mean by that, Well,
we believe that all men are created equal, they are
endowed by their creator with certain unbitable rights, that among
these are life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness. That
to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. Governments
are instituted to secure those rights and take none of
them away. Progressives hated that idea, and they hated that
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idea because they felt that the states should subsume everything.
It should subsume corporations, individuals, individual rights. Because the whole
idea of the administrative state, this massive bureaucracy, separate from accountability,
political accountability, quite frankly separated from the American people, was
to consolidate power so that we might achieve progress, we
might achieve the perfection of mankind. Well, in that process,
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you can't have individuals claiming their rights against government, because
that would throw the proverbial monkey wrench stand in the
gears and slow down progress. So you have to consolidate
power for efficiency to achieve progress. And you have to
remove the idea that individuals have rights because that would
also slow down progress. So how they envisioned it that
the state would give rights back to the individual or
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corporations if it deemed it beneficial to the state.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, I mean, this is exactly what we're hearing today.
But I'm going to plug Hillsdale for a minute, because
Hillsdale is offering these free courses, and so they talked
to me and they were like, we'd love to have
you take some of these courses, and I got I
took one, and then I was just like, I've got
I'm kind of in this motive. I have to learn more.
I have to I'm like hungry for actually learning. And
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so I started in on their civil rights course, and
it was amazing to learn how early on this rebellion
started because even the Southern states were trying to say
because they were so afraid of losing slavery, because there
is such an obsession over control, they were saying, the
First Amendment doesn't apply here, you're actually not allowed to
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talk about these things. And then, I mean, even your
book is pointing out how early on people were like,
you know what, the government's going to help fix this.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Rights are more of a series of suggestions than actual guarantee.
I mean, this is so let me explain that a
little bit more. Our founders believed again a creator gave
us on a label rights and that's why.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The revolution was fought.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I write about some of this in Restoring Our Republic,
my first book, and kind of hit some of those
themes in the second book. The adversaries that they were
not fighting for economic freedom for sale, though that kind
of was part of the situation. They were fighting for
their rights to actually self govern. They were fighting to
protect their rights as individuals, and they believe that it
was incumbent upon them because the God that gave them
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their rights actually expected and demanded of them to defend
those rights, to treat that gifts as sacracaying. And out
of that came their vision and ideology that these rights,
which no earthly power gave, no earthly power can take away.
So we have to put in place a government in
which we are realistic about human nature. And this is
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the one thing that our founders got right that progressives
completely got wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Human nature.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Our founders believe that we are imperfect human beings in
an imperfect world, that we have been given incredible rights
by our creator. But because of our imperfect nature, in
which we do often do what we can, not what
we should, we should never be trusted with consolidated power,
and they didn't even trust themselves. By the way, Tutor,
I write about this again in Restoring Our Republic. They're
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sitting in Philadelphia in seventeen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
These guys knew they.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Were going to be the future presidents and the vice
presidents and that representatives and the senators and the judges.
You're sitting in that room, do you go, I want
to make sure that I'm always in control? Or am
I going to put in place a system of government
that actually makes it harder for me to achieve power
and keep it. And they worked against their own interests
and they put in place a diffusion of power, separation
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of powers because they didn't even trust themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I will own human nature.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I always tell the people around me. And I have
never said this on this podcast. But when I was first,
I hadn't announced yet, and I was just talking about
running and I was talking to one of our elected
officials in Michigan government about this. And you know, I
think most people when you first talk about this, like
you have no idea what you're talking about. And so
we talked and we talked, and then as I got
to the door to walk out, he said don't let
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it seduce you. Yeah, And I remember thinking that's a
gross comment, But now it plays over in my head
all the time because I see it. It is people.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Power is a power, powerful drug that most human beings
have an inability to resist. And the founders knew that
they didn't trust human nature, and that would be a
really good place for us to get back to. Because so,
let me also explain. The declaries of Independence and the
Constitution codified what was a common set of ideals and
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beliefs at the time. People don't really think about this.
They go, well, where did the Declaration of Independence come from?
Where did the Constitution come from? It didn't come from
thin air. It codified what they believed, and they truly
believed this world view right where do rights come from?
Was the purpose of government and that's what they wanted
to put in place, and that's what they did. They
gave us the greatest political documents the world has ever seen.
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Progressives hated every last bit of that because they were
utopian status. They actually bought into the philosophy of a
Prussian propagandist, gay Org Hegel, who would write in the
eighteen hundred that the state is the march of God
on earth. The state decides what is objective truth, it
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decides what is science. It decides all of these things.
And out of the power of the state comes everything
that will be considered a benefit to society. That's why
we have to have a massive bureaucracy filled with the
educated elite who will be the oracles of God to
the dirty little peasants to tell them how they should
live so they might be perfected and tutor.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
This is the other thing.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
When you read the writings of progressives back in the day,
you feel like you're reading the rantings of diluted madmen
who are detached from reality and the empirical evidence of
millennia about human nature.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
They trust themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's what I was going to say. That's the difference.
If you look and having come out of the world
of manufacturing, in business ownership, if you look at the founders,
you see inventors. You see people who were trying to
to innovate. You see people who were warriors, who were soldiers.
You see people who were business owners and people who
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had fought against the crown, people who understood what it
was like to try to make it on their own,
and they said, we're not going to We're not going
to give away all of our stuff to everybody else.
This is about each individual, each individual. But if you
look you're right, if you look back at the writings
marks all of these people, they were just thinkers, just
wealthy thinkers.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
They were detached from reality.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So but going back to what you were saying about
the Founders, I want to be very clear on this
front because it really applies to what we're experiencing today.
Our founders were fighting against an authoritarian form of government.
That's why they fought the revolution and I called actually
the American Restoration because you look back at their writings
why they were fighting. We want our rights restored. The
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British empires decided that even those rights that were sented
to by kings, by parliament kind of more series of
suggestions now decided that we're going to completely change this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You will do.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Exactly what we say. We will demand the supremacy of
parliament over your lives, even though you don't have representation.
And oh, by the way, we think you're a backwater
sinkhole of prejudice and hatred because of your idea of
inherent natural rights and this idea of covenance and idea
of a constitution, So you're going to do what we
say or else. Think about where we are today, Tutor,
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this so educated elite, which I call a credentialed idiocracy,
looks at us who believe in this idea of natural
inherent rights of a constitution of covenance. You are backwards,
full of hatred and prejudice. And all we're sitting here
is going we want our rights restored. We want our
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rights restored via a real constitution, republic. And again, in
a republic, all power flows from the people to their
duly elected representatives, elected representatives who they make stewards of
the power and money given to them to set up
a government that actually benefits, promotes, and defends the interests
of the American people. That's but where we're at right
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now is you have an administrative state filled with unelected
bureaucrats who are not accountable to the American people. They're
not accountable to our duly elected representatives who have basically
decided we're the ones.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
In charge, you will do what we say. For example, Fauci.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I talk about Fauci in this whole ridiculous incident that
we went through with COVID, credentialed idiocricy. Mask, no mask,
Get a vaccine which wasn't a vaccine by the way, Get.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A second shot, Get boosters. You won't get it. Oh
you did get it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What are we even doing this credentialed idiocracy. The premise
of the administrative state was somehow it would be an
enlightened rational state. All we have now are these powerful
credentialed idiots who are dictating to society and damaging us,
destroying our freedom. And I make the argument too too
in this the greatest threat to our freedoms and to
our civil liberties is a powerful UNAEIS bureaucracy. The administrative
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state doesn't care about our rights, doesn't care about the
American people, actually views us more as an ATM to
fund their priorities, and anything that might be a benefit
to us as an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So I think the book is so important because people
for so long have talked about the deep state, and
I think the deep state became a name that people
didn't fully understand. And as and you comment or you
point out in the book, you know you've always been
in the position where if you didn't like who you
had in this country, you could vote the mount and
you could get someone new. You have what two years,
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every two years, every six years, you can get new
people that are representing you. Now in Michigan, I think
we've had kind of one of the best examples of
the administrative state because we put in term limits for
our people, and so they were at the point where
they were getting rushed. But by the time they knew
what they were being used, they were out of there.
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And so the people that are the bureaucracy, the bureaucrats
that work there, they stay and they're like, you've got
to pass this bill, and you've got to pass this bill.
It's no longer representing the people. It's representing the bureaucracy
who's been there, and they can manipulate these twenty three
year old kids that come into the legislature, and that's
who we are getting. Oftentimes it's not a high paid job,
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but it's a full time job. The people around them
are like, ha haha, let me see what I can
do with you. Let me convince you you're oppressed. You
can change it. You could change the oppression.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I write in the book that in many ways elections
are an opiate of the masses. Elections come and go,
administrations come and go, the state remains, and so we
have to ask ourselves, do we really want to have
elections in which this was Donald Trump's greatest cent in
the eyes of permanent DC, the administrative state, do the
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elected representative American people.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
He shows up in.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
DC goes I'm the one who decides both foreign and
domestic policy.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They're like, yeah, we don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, no, no, Actually, as a republic, I'm the one
who decides, like, yeah, that's not how it works. Really,
And for that for the temerity to say, as the
duly elected president of the United States, I'm the one
who decides. Trump was treated as a traitor to his
country and they had a slow moving coup against him
for his entire four years because he thought we were
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still a republic. And so people ask, what's going on
in DC need, Well, that's what you're seeing. You're seeing
two very different competing governing philosophies that the great outsider,
Donald J. Trump brought to the surface because he was
operating under a certain worldview in a certain way that
the government's supposed to work. And then the reality of
what is you're seeing a clash of governing philosophies, and
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that's I mean, they're oil and water, never going.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
There's not a party exempt from this. Because the perfect
example is right now, if you are looking at Washington,
d C. There is no president. There is no president
of the United States. He is not in there, he
is not mentally capable of doing this. And yet there's
no one setting off our alarm bells. There's no one,
no Republican freaking out and going, oh my gosh, we
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have no leader. They're like, oh, it's okay. The train
keeps rolling because it's the people around him that do it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
The last two Republican presidents that rejected the premise that
the administrative state was legitimate before Donald J. Trump, Richard
Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Every president in the White House
since Reagan until Donald Trump showed up, including George H. W.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Bush. George W.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Bush, accepted the legitimacy of the administrative state. They accepted
the premise that it was somehow a legitimate form of
government that somehow worked for our republic, when in fact
it didn't. This is where again, if Trump wins, and
I'm pretty optimistic that he will win, it's going to
be close.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It's going to be it's going to be a dogfight.
Day one.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He has to announce I am going to break apart
and dismantle the administrative state. And he can do this too.
This is the thing that people need to understand when
I talk about the administrative state in the deep state.
The administrative state is this massive, sprawling bureaucracy. You've got
the surveillance state, the deep state, right, the fbiicia NSA, right,
very powerful, very dangerous. You've got the regulatory state. And
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you know this having been in manufacturing and business. The
regulatory state, I think is a threat to our economic freedom.
It is a threat to our national security because of
everything that it does to damage our our manufacturing of
and vital important things on shore and also slowing down.
I was reading something on elon mus x feed about
delay of sixty months on something he's doing because of regulators. Okay,
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so this slows us down our.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Whole host Let me let me I'll just put one
comment in there. Y. I talked to a guy two
days ago who said that they changed the standards on
the machines that he was using for everything he makes
in aerospace, and he said they kid The government literally
walked in my doors and said, you have to scrap
thirty six machines forty five thousand dollars apiece. No choice,
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he said, I went broke. And he said, I have
just started to pay off the new machines, because what
choice do I have. This is what I know, this
is my business. The government walked in his door and said,
you don't meet this speck anymore. He said that the
electrical difference in the two machines was non existence. He
said one was a wave and one was a straight line.
And they said, we don't go with the one anymore.
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You have to go with this one. He said, it
made no difference, what no safety difference?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Nothing think about though, again going back to progressives believe
that the state is a living organism that subsumes all
the rights of corporations and individuals. So again, this is
kind of an age old struggle. I make the point
at the end, is an age old struggle that takes
place between the state for man or man for the state.
We're just the most recent battlefield in this struggle. Does
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the government actually secure our rights and take none of
them away and actually benefit the people, or does the
state rule us and dictate to us on all aspects
of life, and that's what they want.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, yes, Kis.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Here's another The progressives view the state of salvation right, So,
why would you ever want to limit salvation? Salvation should
be in aspect of our lives. It should be in
business and manufacturing, and health and education, all these different aspects.
And even more so, it's almost like a test. Do
you want salvation for your life?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Tutor?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Sure, well, then why would you ever limit it? That's
why people go, why does government continue to grow? Why
does government debt continue to grow? Why are they talking
about eighty seven thousand new IRS agents to hoover up
the six hundred dollars PayPal transactions? Because you have to.
You have to fund salvation, Tutor, and there will be
no into salvation. Therefore, there'll be no into government growth,
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There'll be no end too. You actually funding your salvation.
That's how progressives think.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. This is what is passing in
Michigan and it goes into effect in February. This is
the breakdown of the free market. Our businesses now are
required by law to give six or eight days of
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paid sick leave one of the two they're required to
give that they're required to give a certain amount of
vacation that rolls over. You can never lose your vacation.
You now have a requirement that all vacation rolls over,
and you have up to three years to sue your
former employer after you leave if you feel like you
were robbed of some of that vacation or sick time.
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And our businesses are like, who would work here? And
the crazy part about it is we are in an
employees market right now. If the employee doesn't like the job,
they can go down the street because everybody is looking
for workers. How can you go into a company and
say you have to run your HR department this way?
How is this possible?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I like to bureaucrats tinkering with the free market and
capitalism is how you destroy it. They have no idea.
I mean, this is this is the Biden Harris administration
the last four years. They have no idea how the
economy works. They have no idea how inflation works. And
they're sitting there tinkering with it, trying to dictate people
that have no idea how any of this works and
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annihilating the economy, bringing about massive inflations because they don't
really know what they're doing. And this is again the farce.
This is the farce of the administrative state.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Tutor.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It was promised to the American people at the birth
of the administrative state that these would be educated elite
that applied science would bring us to the place of perfection.
These people don't know what they're doing, They have no idea.
But the problem that we have in this country today
is they're extremely powerful. And that's why, you know, I
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say at the end of the book, Donald Trump will
hopefully declare war on the administrative state. He has to
understand that the foundation of the swamp is the state.
Break the state, drain the swamp, restore the republic. Simple
to say that it will be monumental an application.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
The most successful business owners that I met, for the
most part in Michigan were not the ivy league. They
were the people who busted their tails. They understood it.
They were not educated. They were educated in street smarts.
You know, they'd be like, I was more street smart
than I was book smart. But I knew if I
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kept pushing here and here and I will say that.
I spoke with one of our biggest companies yesterday and
I said, you know, we have this fund where we
give all this money to the big three every year.
And he was like, what do you mean, and I said, well,
you know the automotive industry. They always take hundreds of
millions of dollars out of this fund and promise us jobs,
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and we never get jobs, and they have layoffs. And
he said, how much money are they getting And he said,
I've never taken a single dollar from the state. He said,
to be honest, I won't because I don't want them
coming in and telling me how to run my business.
And I said, but think about that. We are complaining
about ev mandates right now and we think it's the
government forcing the automotive industry to take it. But it's
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a partnership because they've already been bought by the government.
They make massive amounts of money, and yet we pay
them hundreds of millions every year.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So one of the founders of the progressive movement was
a man by the name of Herbert Crowley, not as
well known as some of the others like Woodrow Wilson
or Theodore Roosevelt. When he started proposing some of his
ideas in early nineteen hundreds, his critics said, you're basically
arguing for fascism and authoritarianism because of the fusion of
the states and corporations. So think about that. Think about
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where we are today, big corporations, big tech, big government.
You think what is going on, Well, that's the whole
point of the administrative state, was the fusion of all
of these to be working together. That was the whole
goal the whole time with the administrative state and progressives,
that they were going to fuse all of these entities
into one massive power again first of all to control
the country and then dictate to the American people. This
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is how it's going to work. So none of this
should be surprising. I hope when people read the book,
it's illuminating. It's a moment of clarity. None of this
should be a surprise because progressives were very honest one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Ago exactly what they set out to.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
In fact, Woodrow Wilson said this. It was on a
July fourth speech, ironically, in which he said, we are
not bound to adhere to the ideals of the signs
of the Declaration of Independence. We are as free as
they are to make or unmake governments. They were very
honest about what they had set out to do to
get us to where we are today. So none of
us should be a surprise. We're just living there the
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reality of their dreams, and.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
We're one hundred years into it and we haven't really
all realized it. I think that we are many of
us don't realize what we're fighting against. And I think
that Donald Trump was kind of this wake up call
of wait a minute. He hasn't been a lifelong politician.
He doesn't come from a family that has been in politics.
You know, most of if you look, there's been a
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lot of dynasties in the United States still that go
one person to the next person in that's in state
government and that's in federal government. And he was outside
of that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And he's just.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Very detrimental to the American people, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, and exactly because I think that you get
so what you're talking about, it becomes normal to these people,
and they they continue to go even Republicans people think
that this is not happening. It's happening on both sides,
where you continue to go back to that idea of
control well, if we could just control this and you
make more agencies, so you have the DNR who suddenly
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is making rules about hunting and then turn into laws
even though they're not laws, but people can get a
missed demeanor if they break the rule, and then they
can have their guns taken away. It's all crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So, but you're hitting on a theme that I talk
about a little bit in regards to the Chevron doctrine. Yes, yes, yeah,
I'll say this really quick, tutor, when you write a book,
submit it off to the races a few months later,
go darn it. I wish I had actually written about
some other things because I completely missed it. So I'll
talk about one that I did not miss, which is
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the Chevron Doctrine, in which this summer the Supreme Court said,
we're overturning that it's been in existence for forty years.
We're no longer going to defer either through the judicial
branch and quite frankly, legislative branch to the statutes and
regulations of the unelected bureaucrats, which has essentially been governing
this country, not like the federal level, but the state
level as well. We're not going to do this anymore
because it's unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It really was.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
The I undermined the idea of an independent judiciary, which
was deeply important to our founders. By the way, our
founders deeply resented the British courts who were not fully
independent of the Crown, who are essentially rubber stamping all
of the edicts of King George the Third and his
ministers in Parliament. They said, we're not doing that in
our newly formed republic. We will have an independent judiciary
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that will actually be a check on the other two branches.
Chevron deference kind of annihilated that idea. The other thing
that the Supreme Court did this summer that has not
been as recognized was they went after the SEC tribunals,
the Security and Exchange Commission tribunals, and people like what
is this?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Those are the administrative.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Law of tribunals that a lot of departments and agencies
in DCAL when cases come before the SEC. This tribunal
ninety percent of the time rules in favor of the SEC.
It's not an independent judiciary. It's literally the judge, jury
and executioner on behalf of the SEC to enforce with
the bureaucrats at the SEC. One Supreme Court said we're
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not doing that anymore. Again, independent judiciary, you can't have
that inside of the Article two executive branch where the
administrative state resides. And oh, by the way, private tribunals
actually annihilate the idea of the Seventh Amendment right to
trial by jury.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But this is what we've.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Been operating under, Tutor. People are under the illusion all
constitutional republic separation of powers. We have the Bill of Rights,
with all of these enumerated rights, we're living in a republic.
The reality that I just explained with the SEC is
one hundred and eighty degrees opposite in reality of how
DC works, and that when the first domino was flicked
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over one hundred and ten years ago by progressive system
the administrative state, it was almost inevitable that we would
end up right here and here we are.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I think for many people these changes, they haven't fully
felt them, or they haven't understood where they've come from.
And I think in the last few years, the banning
gas stoves, suddenly you all have to have new vehicles.
We're not going to have the same energy. We're going
to have these gigantic windmills in the across the entire
all of our farmland. We're going to have these solar panels.
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And the thing that makes me crazy about that, and
I'll just say this really quickly. People have heard me
talk about this before. As a manufacturer. I started looking
into because I don't believe that this is this is different,
and I don't believe that you put you have these
giant windmills and then you have to bury them in
the middle of Texas or the middle of Wyoming and
that's safe. And it turns out that they're filled with
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forever chemicals. So you may be fixing one tiny thing
where you say, okay, now we don't have these greenhouse emissions,
these greenhouse gases. You're destroying the ocean, You're destroying the land,
you're destroying the watershed. What are you doing? We have
no consumer Look at what China's done.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
They're des do electric vehicle batteries. What do you do
with those?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
What do you do with those after they don't live
as they don't last as long as people think they do,
and obviously filled with all kinds of damaging chemicals, what
do you do with those?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And here's a very little secret. We've never made them
in the United States. They're building all these factories right now,
and the factories are incredibly poisonous, and the factories are
for some reason exempt from environmental review. Why because there
are lobbyists who say it's okay.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, the thing that's scary about this push I consider
climate change of hoax that if you're to go down
this path, ninety five percent of electric vehicle batteries are
made in China. A lot of things that come from
this Green New Deal and climate change.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We've got to.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Have this renewable energy a lot of us produced in China.
So if we were to go down that path and
say we are no longer going to use fossil fuels
because the educated elites and the oracles of the States
have decided this is bad for us, we would actually
put ourselves into a situation where we would be heavily
dependent upon the communist Chinese solitarian state for our energy
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needs and providing for this economy, which, by the way,
since i'm on this topic, i'll mention this. Germany tried
to do this. Germany tried to go on the renewable energy.
We're going to actually run our economy off of this
total and complete disaster. You cannot run a first world
economy off renewable energy.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It does not work, it will never work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, I'm pretty sure I heard Kamala Harris tell me
that she was going to stop storms in the debate
the other night, So apparently she's divine as well in
some your cancer or whatever exactly. But let me fight
back a little bit on your climate change comment. Not
specifically about climate change, but as someone who worked in
a factory, the factories in the United States, there is pollution.
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Pollution does exist, and that does go into the ground,
and that does affect people, and you do end up
with full communities that end up with cancer and problems.
And we have fought so hard against that in the
United States, and manufacturing has fought hard against it. It's
been those business owners that have fought to fix this
and have the cleanest manufacturing in the world. And I
witnessed it. I saw what it took to stop this,
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to clean it up, to change it. Now we're bringing
factories in from China and we have no idea what
they're going to do, and that is real, and that
is harmful.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
This is the one thing I didn't discuss it in
this book, but I've been formulating some of my thoughts
on ethical capitalism, that we should have a free market,
we should have people that are free to actually achieve
their dreams of creating new businesses, the entrepreneurs, all that stuff.
One of the reasons we got the progressive movement and
the administ state was because of unethical corporate behavior with
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the railroads and with massive corporations that we're abusing the people,
We're abusing the privilege, if you will.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So in reaction to.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That unethical, hyper aggressive capitalism, you got the progressive movement.
I would call it in many ways corrupt capitalism on
some levels that would do anything and everything to earn
a dime.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's how you got the progressive movement.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So I think that we on the free market capitalist
side of things have to understand we have rights and
responsibilities to society, to our world to actually do everything
that we can to be successful, while at the same
time being very good stewards of what has been given
to us, whether it's this world, whether it's the community,
whether it's the people that are working for us, and
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to try and find that right balance.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, No, I agree, and I think that's something that
because there's a gray area there. It's been taken advantage
of by this progression of movement.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And we can not what we should.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, well, if you can demonize a group, then you
have the upper hand. As soon as you can put
somebody into some sort of a racist, oppressive, some sort
of paint them into a corner in some way, you
have the upper hand. And the court of public opinion
is very powerful.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Every status, every authoritarian's atalitarian, wants to dehumanize, subhumanize its
political opposition. There have been hyper cases of it. I
mentioned obviously the man with the funny little mustache who
used that subhuman strategy on the Jews in Germany. But
it's always been a tactic of them to dehumanize their
opposition to then get them to shut up, submit, but
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also to the point of you're not really a legitimate
voice in society. This is what concerns me again, all
the TV that I've done over the years and all
the things I've experienced.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Watching what takes place.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
This is why you had President Trump almost shot in Butler, Pennsylvania,
because of the dehumanizing tactics that the left has used
to say that Donald Trump and his supporters aren't really
fully responsible citizens of this society. Therefore you can pretty
much do to them whatever you want. We haven't fully
gotten to that stage, just to be clear toutor but
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that's where they want us to go, and that's why
they've they've literally done all this stuff to Trump. We
don't know the reality or the facts of what actually
happened in Butler, which is a shame. But the fact
that the climate was created in which someone could actually
try and kill Donald Trump was purposeful. It was intentional.
It's been going on for years.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean I think having run for office, I realized, wow,
this is and it doesn't matter what they say. There's
no fighting, there's no legal fight against it. They can
lie about you, they can say anything they want, and
you have no legal recourse against all of their lives.
It's shocking.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Well, speaking of redress of grievances, this is the problem
the administrative state, because they're detached from the American people.
People have no real redress against injustices that are done
to them. Because again, when you remove and again, only
separation progressives believed in was separating out the administrative state
from any political accountability. Again, people are too and the
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republic have duly elected representatives that are accountable to them.
Progresses want of nothing to do with that. But when
you separate out those who are doing the true governing
of the country and there's no ability to redress grievances
against them, you end up with authoritarianism in which well
you're going to do it because we say, say, dirty
little peasants, and people are sitting out here going this
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feels like a feudal system.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I allude to this in.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The book The administrative state is really a feudal system
in which the serfs are out here, you better do
what we tell you, and they're going. What is our
right to redress grievances against this system? There isn't one.
That's the whole point.
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It takes us back to the book, and I want
you to promo the book because I do think that
that's how people can learn about this. I think so
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many honestly, here, yes, a double shot of book, and
it's behind you too. So now it's like no matter
where you look, you see the book. If you're watching,
if you're listening, you can go to Rumble and see it.
But honestly, go get the book, because I do think
that we have so many people right now who are
feeling like, man, we're losing that Republican and you point
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out why, and I think it's important to know the
why to know how to fix it, because if you
don't know how it's happening, you really can't fix it.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So people have asked how we're going to address this,
and again it'll be monumental, and Apple, as you alluded to,
has been growing for over one hundred years. I talk
about system dynamics, how reinforcing loops, of which there are
many inside the administrative states, start slowly accelerate, almost like
compounding interest, and before you know it, you have this massive,
powerful leviathan that's been growing for over one hundred years.
(37:16):
So people like, how are you going to actually fix
this net what are some of your solutions? I address
that in the last chapter, but I think there's three
things that are vital for us ending the administrative state
here in the United states. First of all, a powerful
executive at the head of the executive branch, Donald J. Trump,
where most of the administrative state resides, saying I'm going
to declare war on the administrative state. And if Congress
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continues to beffeckless and weak willed and spineless, I can
still do a lot of damage to devolving and destroying
the administrative state through executive orders, through whole series of
reform items that I've put in that last chapter.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's step one.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Step two the Supreme Court actually stepping up and saying,
as an independent judiciary who decides this is constitutional or not,
after the Chevron doctrine, after the sec tribunal decisions, the
Supreme Court has to actually step up more into this
situation and go administrative state deeply unconstitutional, continue to chip
(38:11):
away at the foundations of it. But ultimately, at the
end of the day, the way that the administrative state
ends in this country is that the American people become
aware of it, become aware of its abuses, and reject
any and all legitimacy that they claim they have. And
the American people say, this is not legitimate. We want
to republic back. But the only way the American people
can get to that point his understanding was taking place.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's one of the reasons I wrote the book.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I tried to make it relatively short, to make it
approachable and as simple as possible for people to understand
what's taking place. It has to be a knowledge of
what is happening before you can come to solutions and
say we do not accept this anymore. So I hope
when people read the book will go, yeah, we're not
doing this anymore. Hopefully Donald Trump, hopefully the Supreme Court,
hopefully more of our duly elected representatives are going to
(38:56):
actually fight for our rights and say we're not going
to accept the aministrative state is legitimate anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, So they better read the book quick.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
We're coming up to this election, Okay, so tell them
where they can get it.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Go to Amazon dot com you can get it. Barnes
and Noble, you can get it. Books a million, I
think there's another couple sites. But I would say, go
to Amazon dot com and order a copy, read the book, become,
hopefully reach a moment of clarity, a moment of illumination
of how this country, how DC is actually working, and
then ask yourself is this really what we want for
(39:30):
ourselves and for future generations, because I would argue the
future happiness of generations depends on what we will do
in this moment in rejecting the premise of the administrative
state and saying no, we want our rights restored, we
want a restoration of the republic. And it's going to
be incumbent upon us this current generation of saying we
will no longer accept this, we demand an into this
(39:52):
because I'm afraid, Tutor, this election right now, if we
do not successfully get Donald trum back into the White House,
it's going to be very very hard, if almost impossible,
to get any political power back to restore the Republic.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think people think that we have this equal government
right now half and half, and I don't think that.
I think you're right, they're not realizing what's going on
behind the scenes. We won't have we won't We will
struggle to have fair elections, we will struggle to have
one party rulestely.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, everything is aiming towards that, Tutor. I hope
people are.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
My fear is that too many Americans are asleep in
the light. They just continue to go through their day.
They're not fully aware of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Very spoiled we are.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
We're very apathetic because we've been truly blessed on a
whole host affronts for literally decades generations. They are fully
intent on one party rule and a one party rule
running the administrative state, absolutely devastating to our freedom and
rights moving forward. We cannot allow them to get to
that point.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, I agree, Well, that means a lot more people
have to go through it. You gotta run, you got
to get out there, you got to run for office,
you got to vote for people, get involved. I mean,
there's so many things that you can do.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
But definitely go vote, please and vote early.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yes, exactly, Ned, Ryan, thank you so much for coming on. Everybody,
go out and get his book American Leviathan. You will
not regret it. You will learn a lot, and you
will be able to go out there and talk to others.
And I think that's it's like spreading the information is
the most important thing. You got to learn it, you've
got to fully understand it, and then you've got to
talk to people about it. So get the book, share
it with others. Thank you, Ned, Thanks Doudor, and thank
(41:36):
you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
For this episode and others, go to Tutor Dixon podcast
dot com. You can subscribe right there, or head over
to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get
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Tudor Dixon
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