April 23, 2025 • 35 mins
In this episode, Tudor welcomes David Rutherford, a former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor and host of The David Rutherford Show, who shares his journey from military service to becoming a motivational speaker and host of his own show. They discuss the challenges facing military recruitment, the impact of policy changes on morale, and the importance of trust in both military and political contexts. David emphasizes the need for strong leadership and the dangers of political manipulation, while also highlighting the rise of new media as a platform for truth and transparency. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am very excited
to welcome someone new to the Clay and Buck podcast family,
and that is David Rutherford. He is a former Navy Seal,
he's a CIA contractor and World Championship Performance coach, and
he is now the new host of the David Rutherford Show. David,
(00:21):
thank you so much for joining me, Tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It is an honor and a privilege to be with you.
When I first got asked by Bock to come and
join the network, the first thing I'm doing is immediately going, oh, man,
I gotta be side by side next to Tutor Dixon.
I was like, man, I better bring my a game.
So it is a real privilege that and I just
can't thank you enough for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, you're not new to this stuff. I mean, you've
done a lot of speaking. You're a motivational speaker, you
are a teacher. You have your own online academy, right h.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The Frog Logic Institute. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So I was reading a little bit about that, and
I find it kind of fascinating because it you talk
I read that you talked about why you joined the seals,
and it was really that you were kind of like
getting into trouble, you had this sort of self epiphany,
which I think is impressive too, which was, you know,
I'm really good on a team. I need like the
(01:16):
most skilled team in the world. I mean, being good
on a team is not like I must become a
Navy Seal, but that's what you chose, and now you're
kind of passing that on to other people, which I love.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, thank you. You know, having those God moments, you know,
is are you know not my age? I didn't know
that's what was taking place, and you know, through that
divine intervention, it was like, well, what are the things
that I know I need? And I always knew I
needed a team and and so I was like, all right, well,
what's what's the toughest team in the world to go
(01:50):
and be a part of. And you know, it's the
Navy Seals. And so thank god, there wasn't as much
information as there is today, like you know what events
you got to go through and have to pass and
there's a billion books and all that stuff. So if
there'd been anything like that, I probably wouldn't have it
would have been too afraid. But well, do you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Think that is why people aren't joining now. I mean,
you make agree. I never thought about that before. But
before we got on, you were saying how people who
have served are not like super motivated to have their
kids do it. They maybe they know too much, but
now your kids can also research. Do you think that
there's too much information out there?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's a really awesome question. No, because I believe that
information is power, right. Information is what enables us to
make the most focused decision, the most focused, well thought
out decisions when we take those big risks and lives
in our lives. And so the more information the better.
(02:52):
I think the problem that we've been having in the
military has nothing to do with that much information. It
has to do with the generation that comes before is
typically the group that inspires the following generations beneath him. Right.
I just was with a guy who drove me to
the airport yesterday when I was leaving New Jersey, where
(03:12):
I was given a couple of speeches, and his whole
dream was to serve in the military because his dad
was a Vietnam VET, his grandfather had served in World
War Two, and then he well, his dad had said, well,
you know, he was also a thirty year New Jersey
state trooper. He said, here's what I wanted to do.
Try the police force first, and then if you don't
(03:34):
like that, then go into the military. And so I
think it's like this, it's correlated to this legacy or
this idea to live up to something that's bigger than yourself. Now,
I know me and I know many many, many of
my gy brothers and sisters that are so dejected by
the morale and how it's attack on the morale that
(03:55):
we've seen taken place over the last you know, eight
nine years. That's why I don't like I mean, if
you know that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Is that because of all these policies that went into
effect that was like, you know, you have to be
I mean, it just kind of changed. There were different
requirements for women than men. There were loosening of the
rules of you know, what you could wear or what
you could do. Was it because people started to feel
like you weren't as much of a team. What do
(04:24):
you think the real turning point there was?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think you're absolutely right. The thing that holds the
US military or any organization that's built around that those concepts,
the thing that holds those people together is meritocracy. It's
the recognition that if I give the best effort amongst
my peers who are all giving a similar effort or
a focus, the person who exemplifies the best of the
(04:50):
best rises, gets rank and moves forward. And that seemed
to be reduced dramatically through whether it was the DEI
policies or you know, I mean the COVID shot, like
we're going to kick out six thousand plus people because
they won't take something that they don't believe they need.
I think it's the Endless Wars. And for you know,
(05:12):
for me and my friends, where it was is when
you finally reached there, you know, that point where you
understand that Iraq we went Iraq based on a lie, right.
And then the other one for me that just destroyed
me was how we pulled out of Afghanistan. I mean leaving,
leaving you know, all of the people that helped us
(05:33):
in those that twenty year fight, just leaving them to
get slaughtered by the Talban, leaving eighty plus billion dollars
worth of equipment that's now being used to train pretty
much every terrorist organization in the world in Afghanistan. And
then to know how we pulled out doing that, and
now we're funding the Talban forty million dollars a week.
(05:55):
I mean, why would I ever want to take my
four beautiful daughters, and my oldest is getting ready to go.
Why would I ever look at her and say, you
know what, I want you to go serve your country
because what they're going to tell you is the truth.
I mean, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I think, well, you mentioned something I don't think a
lot of people think about or maybe don't even know.
You talked about the people that helped you, that were
left behind. So I think that there are folks who
look at Afghanistan and they think, well, we brought all
of our people home. And maybe I've had some conversations
with folks who spent time over there, who served over there.
(06:32):
They're like, look, there's all of these interpreters, there's all
of these people who helped us, and their lives are
in grave danger because they helped us, and the agreement
was you help us, we take care of you, and
we didn't take care of them. Is that what you're
talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
One hundred percent? I have several close friends that were
part of the organizations that we're doing civilian paid flights overseas,
launching out of use Bekistan going in Jared Hudson, the
Pineapple Express crew right that they were going in and
they were leaving that wire going out and retrieving thousands
(07:11):
of our closest allies. Our interpreters, are intelligence people, people
that we trained, who fought alongside of us. And what
you have to understand is, you know, we go over,
we do a deployment, ninety days, six months, year deployment,
we come home, we go through a training cycle and
go back. Those people never are out of the fight.
Every single day, they're fighting for their lives. And then
(07:34):
the other component that you have to recognize is that
you know, Afghanistan is built on a real classic culture
of antiquity, right ie for I, tribalism and so if
you're willing to die for me, I'll die for you.
So the number one thing that affects them is betrayal.
And so we essentially betrayed tens of thousands of people
(07:57):
and left them to the very organization he said we
were going in to eradicate, and we put them back
into power. That's the type of morale destroying policy that
will always impede recruiting.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's almost a transactional society where if I'm going
to be here, I need to you need to be
committed to something too.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's interesting. So Pete Hegseth, he takes over. He's the
top guy. And everybody was very excited about this because
they're like, you know, this is a war fighter. He's
going in. He's now the secretary of Defense. He's going
to take care of our troops. It's just going to
be a totally different feel. And we've seen an increase
in people joining the army, but there have been these
(08:45):
situations we talked earlier about the reporter being on the
phone call or on the signal chat, and now you
see they're starting to get rid of people this. Dan
Caldwell was let go. You brought up something interesting that
I don't think a lot of people would think of.
I mean, they're regardless of what happens, people think you're
(09:07):
doging everything. You're going into these agencies. You're getting rid
of these career politician or career bureaucrats. You're getting rid
of a lot of the people that are against the swamp.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We've heard it for years where he Donald Trump is
going to drain the swamp, but the swamp is very
deep and the swamp you said something earlier about it, Well,
there's not that many people that lie really to get
what they want in Washington jokingly, And I mean that's true.
And you don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Who to trust.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's a really it's become kind of a very sick society,
the bureaucracy of DC. So what do you think Secretary
Hegseth is up against.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh, I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a war.
It's an enigma wrapped in a wrapped in a Pandora's
box or whatever that great saying was from the famous
movie JFK. Right.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It is.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's like an octopus. It has infinite number of tentacles
that are woven in at all these different places. You know,
my favorite description is always given by a gentleman named
Mike Ben's who exposed the you know, the censorship, and
colics love love that guy. Just a brilliant guy. And
so what do you do you need to revitalize the
(10:20):
American public. You're the base that got you overwhelmingly in office.
So you pick a face that they can relate to,
someone who is on the ground, who fought the war.
He's got the tax, he's a part of the war,
your culture. You bring him in, and what many people
don't realize is how short of amount of time that
you have to assemble the people that are going to
help you walk into that building. And the Pentagon is
(10:43):
no joke. I mean, at one trillion dollar budget this year,
you've got to figure out how deeply those people are
entrenched in a mindset that's been established since post war.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And just to step in for a second when you
say that, what you're talking about is, I mean Donald
Trump gets elected in November. He is then picking cabinet
secretaries into January and sometimes beyond, and so they're getting
in he's getting into office, they're immediately going into hearings.
They're prepping for hearings. They're trying to get prepared at
(11:17):
the same time. And that is brutal, brutal the prep
for those hearings. So at the same time as you're
prepping for hearings, you have to say, Okay, I'm going
to say that I'm getting confirmed, so I have to
start interviewing staff and figuring out who's who. And that
is all just a very complicated, rush quick situation where
some snakes could come slither through the process.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
There is no what is the famous quote is absolute
power corrupts absolutely right, And people in DC, they're always
trying to move up that that ladder. So think of
all the people that have been working the system. How
you want to describe it, either nefarious or genuine. A
(12:02):
lot most of these people actually believe what they believe
in and they're doing they think they're doing great, great work.
But all of those people, all the five star or
four stars, all the people that were writing policy at
all these different think tanks, all the people that were
part of the defense and the military industrial complex and
all the defense industry, all the people in the Senate
(12:23):
or the Congress that thought they had a shot at
being the Secretary of Defense. And now all of a sudden,
he pisss. What this kid? This whatever? How people that
the disgusting way they describe it. And I'll tell you
some of my closest friends are really close with Pete,
and they all say the same thing, that he is
a genuine brilliant guy. Right, this whole garbage that he's
(12:45):
just some newscaster, it's ridiculous, Right, He's a war fighter.
And so they bring him in now all of those
people are upset, and so what is the way that
you remember these people are the world's greatest operators, right,
not only the intelligens industry, but the DoD What do
we do. What's their whole job is to tear down
the enemy. And so if you get slated as the enemy,
(13:09):
stand by, they're going to come up you every which way.
But from Sunday. And so you know my issue now
is I love it. I love he's out there shaking
hands and lifting troops up and revitalizing the warfighter. But listen,
if you hear this, you know Sean, my good buddy
who used to be in the network with Claim Bock,
(13:31):
Sean Parnell, I love you, Sean, God bless you man.
I'm so proud of you. But if you hear this
or Pete, this gets to you, get in the building.
Stay in the building. That's where things will change when
you understand how that building works, how the bureaucracy works,
and you can attack the rot there. That's what needs
(13:51):
to take place.
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(15:25):
And do you think that that there is a balance
that needs to be struck because you have Alena Haba
out on the streets, You've got christinom out on the streets.
And honestly, that's a question I had for you too.
What is your opinion of that? Because you've got the
Secretary of Department of Homeland Security out there going in in,
she's leading the raid, but she's not a trained she
(15:47):
hasn't gone through the academy. I mean, she's not a
trained law enforcement official. Is that dangerous?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Does the same thing apply there? And I hadn't really,
I hadn't thought about this until you said this to me.
But I'm like, man, if you are the office, is
somebody doing stuff behind your back? And is that the
best place for you to be?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, it's all like you got to understand. The morale
was so pulverized beginning. I mean, you can go way
back if you want. I mean I've talked to many
people back even in the Obama administration that could not
get hired because you know, however, they answered their questions
and their political views were kind of understood. That they
(16:29):
were pushed off and the resume was dropped in the
drawer and never to be seen again. And and so
you know that that took place over a long time.
And the idea now that that what we need is
to rebuild that morale. I get it. I prove that
that's good. But to what degree are you willing to
sacrifice the operational requirements against the rot right, the deep state,
(16:53):
the blob, whatever you want to talk about it. These
people that are connected to you know, whatever power or
financial aspirations they're having. You got to focus there first.
You know, with Christy Nome, I understand what she's doing,
you know, but the photo, just the photograph the other
day where she's holding the gun incorrectly that blew up
(17:14):
on X Man and every single operator I knew did
a new follow are just pulverizing, like, hey, stop what
you're doing and get in the building. That's where you
need to be. Even the bus like God bless you know,
Cash and Pambondi, and you know they're trying to say, hey,
look we're fighting against criminals, we're fighting the war, we're
(17:36):
doing what we need to do that big half billion
button dollar bus down in Florida. I get it, But man,
let your deputies take to you know, get in front,
show a different face. We've seen your face, promote the
other people that are loyal to you. Let them do
that type of thing. And we need those people in
the office in those places to figure out what's happened
(17:58):
and how do we fix the solution.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I thought it was I mean really, I hadn't
thought about what you were saying until you said it,
and then it started to strike me, like if the
person is out of the office, who is kind of
plotting against them? And I know that sounds crazy, but
that is how these agencies, how many people work because
they are trying. There is there are a lot of climbers.
(18:21):
There are people that are angry there. There's just it.
It's not like a business. It's not necessarily the case
that everybody's kind of working toward the same goal. There
are people with their own personal goals, right, So you
have to sort of have eyes in the back of
your head to see what's going on. And I've just
noticed that in the last week we've had these attacks,
(18:42):
well in the last few weeks you had the attacks
against Pete Hagsas saying, oh, he let somebody into this chat.
You know he's not. It's just like kind of picking
away at his character as a leader. And then there
was a big expose on DHS and who's involved there,
and you just made me think to me, those things
are like, oh, that's just a hit piece, just an article.
(19:04):
And then as you're saying this, I'm like, gosh, what
if the stuff does add up and that's how they
boot these people out and that destroys the whole movement.
And I mean that's maybe that's an extreme view, but
you do have me thinking, oh.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's not extreme at all. That And that's what they
want everybody to believe, is that when you go out
and you get on your show or I'm on my
show or whoever it is, and we start pointing this
stuff up, they label us as extremists or conspiratorial or whatever.
And that's that's always my favorite thing. The people who
invented the term conspiracy theorists are the ones who call
(19:39):
you a conspiracist. Right, So for me, what do I
do is I look at if I go in and
I work with a sports team or I work with
a business, and you know, the first thing I do
is I always say, all right, you know, how does
your command structure? Look, where where do we let's start there?
And then what type of training do you have and
it's and it's yeah, it's the operation rational execution? How
(20:01):
does it work? How does the organization function? Right?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Who?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How do the directives or the policy get made, how
do they become you know, their derivative of Congress or
law or the president's executive orders? And then how do
you execate cute those down the whole chain of command?
And then how do you make sure that the orders
are being followed? And then what is the reaction if
the orders aren't? You know? And so we're sitting here
focused on some some you know, reservists who didn't want
(20:28):
to put up the president's pitcher as a main news story.
And that's intentional too, so and you know, this is
tradecraft one on one, right, And I think another awesome
component of Mike Bens is he teaches us how this works. So,
you know, I work for the Central Intelligence Agency for
a little while, you know, just the blip, a little
bit of time, but I got enough time in to
(20:49):
realize this is outwork. So if you want to change
the opinion, how do you do it? You you plant
information that begins to challenge what the colultural narrative is,
which traditionally is a cultural narrative based on you know,
long term behavioral patterns. And then you attack that right,
and then all of a sudden people start to go, oh,
(21:10):
well that must be true because the experts are saying it.
And then once it's somehow locked into the social consciousness,
they come in and say, see, this is real, this
is the deal, this is what's going on. This is
a big thing there. These people are incompetent. We need
to get rid of them, which then gives the people
the you know, the people around Caesar, gives them the
(21:34):
go ahead or the green light to start attacking. And
what better way to attack. You pull away the people
who are most loyal, You isolate the person is at
the top, and then you know, at two brute right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, no, I mean I think that people forget that
you're dealing with essentially professional mind benders. I mean that's
what they have been trained to do, is to bend
your mind the way they want you to think. And
this is what you go in there and you're working
with these people and you have to understand that. But
the political world is so twisted compared to the regular world.
(22:12):
I mean, just this week, I will say, we I've
watched what when you know, we ran a race here
in Michigan, and then you have people when I ran
I've told the story before. When I first started, people
said to me, pick the ten people that are closest
to you. By the end of the campaign, you might
have five. And I remember thinking that's a terrible thing
(22:34):
to say. And then at the end of the campaign,
I think I was like, Okay, there's about three people
I trust left in the world. Because you really do
have people just do terrible things and they lie right
to your face and they manipulate and these are not
trained people. So that's why I think. I think about
the people on the level of campaigning and state levels
(22:54):
kind of stuff that are not trained to manipulate people's minds,
and they're bad enough. I mean, this week, I will say,
this just cracks me up because there's a woman here
in the state of Michigan and she sends me I
put out a statement. You know, I was looking at
the Senate race and the governor's race, and she sends
me this tweet or she sends me a text with
(23:15):
a screenshot of my announcement and she said, I'm so excited,
can't wait, like totally support you. And then can I
work for you? I have this organization that does this
and I want to work for your campaign. And then
yesterday someone goes out and tweets about me and says,
you know, she doesn't she shouldn't be running for one
(23:37):
of these offices, and she openly comments on Twitter, Yes,
all she cares about is getting her face out there,
something like she's a you know, media whoror or something.
And I'm like, do you think I can't see? But
these are people who reach out to you, tell you
I love you, I support you, I want to help you,
and they actually hate you. I mean, you really don't
(23:57):
know who to trust in this world. There's like there's
no when loyal very few.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yes, very few, because there are, I mean there are people,
but you have to think about what are how do
we build those bonds to where we can trust somebody?
And then the biggest thing is once people get a taste, right,
a little bit of taste of what is it a
validation of how important they are, a validation of you know,
how they learn how to play the game. And and
(24:25):
then they're like, oh man, this feels good. And you know,
maybe someday I can be a chief of staff. And
then someday I can find myself at the Pentagon or
at the Agency, or or or wherever their aspiration is,
or next to the governor. Better even yet, maybe I
can run for governor, run for this. And and what
happens is is that you know that that what that
(24:47):
desire overwhelms our sense of morality. It's the oldest thing
in human the human condition is, you know, how easily
we can be manipulated. Right, The greatest, the greatest I
ever told was the devil convintion it didn't exist and
and and that evil is out there. So yeah, the
hardest thing when you are aspiring to make real change
(25:10):
is to stay true to that belief and then to
have the appropriate fighters around you that can withstand the
storm with you. That you know, and it's it's very difficult.
I commend you in every different way. I mean, you know,
watching you go up against uh, you know, Whitmer was
one of my favorite races to follow, and pay attention to.
(25:31):
But you were up against something and you know, per
proof positive. We just we just saw what a couple
of weeks ago that those guys who came up with
the kidnapping case, right their appeal was shot down pretty unanimously.
And even after we learned that, you know, out of
the twelve people that supported, like most of them were
FBI paid informants or or or or work for the
(25:54):
beer themselves. I mean, and and you're just like, wait,
what how this is the level of this is the
Machiavellian level that is considered the standard operating procedure in politics.
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can even call it that the energy grid is a disaster.
(27:57):
I mean, oh, you can go through measure after measure
of what a governor should be taken care of, and
she's failed at everyone. And yet she's on every list
for them to nominate as president as their presidential candidate
in twenty eight How bizarre is that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
No, that's the standard, right, I mean my favorite one
recently and this is this is one that this proves
the sheer level of what of it. It's a form
of cognitive dissonance, but it's even bigger. You know, it's
sociopathic in nature. Really, I think was when we watched
you know, Western La burn to the ground, and for
(28:40):
years and years and years, all the signs that this
was coming, even there was a warning the week before.
You know, you've got the mayor over, and you've gond
or wherever she was, you've got newsomb out of pocket
or whatever it is. The place burns down. A month
or two later, he starts a podcast and he has
Charlie Kirk and Steam O'Bannon as this first two people
(29:02):
on the show, and he's like, hey, I'm actually center.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, I know again, why do why does our side
even let that happen because it gives him this weird win.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I don't think it does. I think the American public
is much smarter than everybody gives them credit for. I
believe what you saw. You had this tremendous shift towards Trump.
And these people are not Trumpers. They're not maga diehards.
They're not in you know what the what the left call,
right could, They're not in that. What they were is
they're like, we're sick of the lies. We're sick of
(29:39):
being gaslet. We're sick of what they're trying to spew
to us, of the old guard media, right the you know,
the senior citizens and media like cal them, and you
know they know it's a lie. So now they're pivoting
to find their information on different places and different programs.
And that's why you know, our media now is thriving
and podcast to thrive in these independent voices like yourself,
(30:02):
who was in the fight, saw the intense storm that
the lies, and now they attack you and every other aspect. Well,
you can speak truth to that to people, and that's
where people are gravitating towards You know, all I do
is and you don't. You don't have to believe me.
But you just have to believe the numbers. Right, Numbers
(30:24):
don't lie, math doesn't lie. And so what is Joe Rogan?
It's something like sixty seven million unique downloads per month?
What's Sean Ryan? My best friend Sean Ryan show does
thirty some like thirty two thirty four million downloads per month?
Those numbers are so beyond what the old Guard is doing.
(30:45):
That scares the hell out of them. So what are
they willing to do? They're willing to whip up their
base into a frenzy that now we're seeing what people
burning down tesla's and attacking people and like it's you
have to stoke the fear in order to make the
lie seem real.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Right, right, Well, so you're part of this, You're part
of this new media. So tell everybody how they listen
to your show or can they watch the show? Tell
us everything about it, for sure?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know my whole intention was and for you know,
I've been in podcasting since twenty thirteen. I started with
a live online show called Navy Seal Radio, which I
do live every Saturday. It was a lot of fun,
and then had the incredible blessing to my friend Marcus
Latrell reached out and said, hey, let's do a show,
and I was part of the team Never Quit podcast,
(31:40):
and you know, in twenty sixteen, after six months, we
were actually nominated by iTunes as one of the top
thirty podcasts of the year that year. You know, in
the three years I was a part of it, I
think we masked something like twenty million downloads. We were
one of the biggest shows in the world. Because of
some family personal things, I left the show to be
home or I met my new wife and had four daughters,
(32:03):
and I was like, I can't, I can't commit at
that level. So then I launched the frog Logic podcast
did that for several years twenty twenty. I was essentially canceled.
Even though I was always motivational my whole life. I
don't I hate I hated to be open about my
politics or to call people out. But then after that,
it kind of I'm not going to say it radicalized me,
(32:25):
but it it made me recognize that, you know, the
stuff that you know, the stuff that I used to
do in my old my old life, right when I
carried a gun for a living. It seemed like that
was trying that was being done to the American public
on many different levels, and it's been proven and so
many different explicit points that were is asgregious as anything
(32:47):
I'd ever seen. And so after I kind of got
my my myself back together, my business had collapsed, everything
was over. I kind of got back got my my
my you know, generating enough revenue to support my family.
And just a couple months ago is when Buck reached
out and was like, hey, rut brother, you know, hey,
you got any interest of getting back behind the mic?
(33:09):
And I jumped at it. Boy, I was so excited
to as you know, to be a part of their
network and how impact those men have and to work
for Premiere is just it's such a blessing. And so
my idea is I just want to bring a little
bit of common sense to a tsunami of information so
(33:32):
that I can kind of consolidate and help contextualize, you know,
the information that's going to protect people against that onslaught
by that negative insurgencies. Those are nefarious forces that are
trying to convince people something that's not true is true
to get whatever ends necessary to do whatever they have
to do. And so that's the whole pretense behind the
(33:54):
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Speaker 1 (34:23):
Awesome, thank you so much, thank you for being on today.
It was awesome to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well, listen, what you got to do for me is
you just got promise now that I can get you
on my show. Of course we can dig into how
you're going to fight this thing this next time out,
because that's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Of course. Of course, Well, and I want to say
thank you to everybody listening, and you made me think.
I always tell people you can download on iheard on Apple,
you go to the Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, but I
never tell people that you can actually watch it on
Rumble too. So we put our show out there on Rumble.
If you want to see the show at any time time,
you can check it out on Rumble. We are there,
(35:03):
every every episode is there. So I appreciate having you
on today and I appreciate all of our listeners. Thank
you all so much. Have a blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am very excited
to welcome someone new to the Clay and Buck podcast family,
and that is David Rutherford. He is a former Navy Seal,
he's a CIA contractor and World Championship Performance coach, and
he is now the new host of the David Rutherford Show. David,
(00:21):
thank you so much for joining me, Tutor.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It is an honor and a privilege to be with you.
When I first got asked by Bock to come and
join the network, the first thing I'm doing is immediately going, oh, man,
I gotta be side by side next to Tutor Dixon.
I was like, man, I better bring my a game.
So it is a real privilege that and I just
can't thank you enough for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, you're not new to this stuff. I mean, you've
done a lot of speaking. You're a motivational speaker, you
are a teacher. You have your own online academy, right h.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The Frog Logic Institute. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So I was reading a little bit about that, and
I find it kind of fascinating because it you talk
I read that you talked about why you joined the seals,
and it was really that you were kind of like
getting into trouble, you had this sort of self epiphany,
which I think is impressive too, which was, you know,
I'm really good on a team. I need like the
(01:16):
most skilled team in the world. I mean, being good
on a team is not like I must become a
Navy Seal, but that's what you chose, and now you're
kind of passing that on to other people, which I love.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, thank you. You know, having those God moments, you know,
is are you know not my age? I didn't know
that's what was taking place, and you know, through that
divine intervention, it was like, well, what are the things
that I know I need? And I always knew I
needed a team and and so I was like, all right, well,
what's what's the toughest team in the world to go
(01:50):
and be a part of. And you know, it's the
Navy Seals. And so thank god, there wasn't as much
information as there is today, like you know what events
you got to go through and have to pass and
there's a billion books and all that stuff. So if
there'd been anything like that, I probably wouldn't have it
would have been too afraid. But well, do you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Think that is why people aren't joining now. I mean,
you make agree. I never thought about that before. But
before we got on, you were saying how people who
have served are not like super motivated to have their
kids do it. They maybe they know too much, but
now your kids can also research. Do you think that
there's too much information out there?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's a really awesome question. No, because I believe that
information is power, right. Information is what enables us to
make the most focused decision, the most focused, well thought
out decisions when we take those big risks and lives
in our lives. And so the more information the better.
(02:52):
I think the problem that we've been having in the
military has nothing to do with that much information. It
has to do with the generation that comes before is
typically the group that inspires the following generations beneath him. Right.
I just was with a guy who drove me to
the airport yesterday when I was leaving New Jersey, where
(03:12):
I was given a couple of speeches, and his whole
dream was to serve in the military because his dad
was a Vietnam VET, his grandfather had served in World
War Two, and then he well, his dad had said, well,
you know, he was also a thirty year New Jersey
state trooper. He said, here's what I wanted to do.
Try the police force first, and then if you don't
(03:34):
like that, then go into the military. And so I
think it's like this, it's correlated to this legacy or
this idea to live up to something that's bigger than yourself. Now,
I know me and I know many many, many of
my gy brothers and sisters that are so dejected by
the morale and how it's attack on the morale that
(03:55):
we've seen taken place over the last you know, eight
nine years. That's why I don't like I mean, if
you know that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Is that because of all these policies that went into
effect that was like, you know, you have to be
I mean, it just kind of changed. There were different
requirements for women than men. There were loosening of the
rules of you know, what you could wear or what
you could do. Was it because people started to feel
like you weren't as much of a team. What do
(04:24):
you think the real turning point there was?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think you're absolutely right. The thing that holds the
US military or any organization that's built around that those concepts,
the thing that holds those people together is meritocracy. It's
the recognition that if I give the best effort amongst
my peers who are all giving a similar effort or
a focus, the person who exemplifies the best of the
(04:50):
best rises, gets rank and moves forward. And that seemed
to be reduced dramatically through whether it was the DEI
policies or you know, I mean the COVID shot, like
we're going to kick out six thousand plus people because
they won't take something that they don't believe they need.
I think it's the Endless Wars. And for you know,
(05:12):
for me and my friends, where it was is when
you finally reached there, you know, that point where you
understand that Iraq we went Iraq based on a lie, right.
And then the other one for me that just destroyed
me was how we pulled out of Afghanistan. I mean leaving,
leaving you know, all of the people that helped us
(05:33):
in those that twenty year fight, just leaving them to
get slaughtered by the Talban, leaving eighty plus billion dollars
worth of equipment that's now being used to train pretty
much every terrorist organization in the world in Afghanistan. And
then to know how we pulled out doing that, and
now we're funding the Talban forty million dollars a week.
(05:55):
I mean, why would I ever want to take my
four beautiful daughters, and my oldest is getting ready to go.
Why would I ever look at her and say, you
know what, I want you to go serve your country
because what they're going to tell you is the truth.
I mean, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I think, well, you mentioned something I don't think a
lot of people think about or maybe don't even know.
You talked about the people that helped you, that were
left behind. So I think that there are folks who
look at Afghanistan and they think, well, we brought all
of our people home. And maybe I've had some conversations
with folks who spent time over there, who served over there.
(06:32):
They're like, look, there's all of these interpreters, there's all
of these people who helped us, and their lives are
in grave danger because they helped us, and the agreement
was you help us, we take care of you, and
we didn't take care of them. Is that what you're
talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
One hundred percent? I have several close friends that were
part of the organizations that we're doing civilian paid flights overseas,
launching out of use Bekistan going in Jared Hudson, the
Pineapple Express crew right that they were going in and
they were leaving that wire going out and retrieving thousands
(07:11):
of our closest allies. Our interpreters, are intelligence people, people
that we trained, who fought alongside of us. And what
you have to understand is, you know, we go over,
we do a deployment, ninety days, six months, year deployment,
we come home, we go through a training cycle and
go back. Those people never are out of the fight.
Every single day, they're fighting for their lives. And then
(07:34):
the other component that you have to recognize is that
you know, Afghanistan is built on a real classic culture
of antiquity, right ie for I, tribalism and so if
you're willing to die for me, I'll die for you.
So the number one thing that affects them is betrayal.
And so we essentially betrayed tens of thousands of people
(07:57):
and left them to the very organization he said we
were going in to eradicate, and we put them back
into power. That's the type of morale destroying policy that
will always impede recruiting.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's almost a transactional society where if I'm going
to be here, I need to you need to be
committed to something too.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's interesting. So Pete Hegseth, he takes over. He's the
top guy. And everybody was very excited about this because
they're like, you know, this is a war fighter. He's
going in. He's now the secretary of Defense. He's going
to take care of our troops. It's just going to
be a totally different feel. And we've seen an increase
in people joining the army, but there have been these
(08:45):
situations we talked earlier about the reporter being on the
phone call or on the signal chat, and now you
see they're starting to get rid of people this. Dan
Caldwell was let go. You brought up something interesting that
I don't think a lot of people would think of.
I mean, they're regardless of what happens, people think you're
(09:07):
doging everything. You're going into these agencies. You're getting rid
of these career politician or career bureaucrats. You're getting rid
of a lot of the people that are against the swamp.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
We've heard it for years where he Donald Trump is
going to drain the swamp, but the swamp is very
deep and the swamp you said something earlier about it, Well,
there's not that many people that lie really to get
what they want in Washington jokingly, And I mean that's true.
And you don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Who to trust.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's a really it's become kind of a very sick society,
the bureaucracy of DC. So what do you think Secretary
Hegseth is up against.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh, I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a war.
It's an enigma wrapped in a wrapped in a Pandora's
box or whatever that great saying was from the famous
movie JFK. Right.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It is.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's like an octopus. It has infinite number of tentacles
that are woven in at all these different places. You know,
my favorite description is always given by a gentleman named
Mike Ben's who exposed the you know, the censorship, and
colics love love that guy. Just a brilliant guy. And
so what do you do you need to revitalize the
(10:20):
American public. You're the base that got you overwhelmingly in office.
So you pick a face that they can relate to,
someone who is on the ground, who fought the war.
He's got the tax, he's a part of the war,
your culture. You bring him in, and what many people
don't realize is how short of amount of time that
you have to assemble the people that are going to
help you walk into that building. And the Pentagon is
(10:43):
no joke. I mean, at one trillion dollar budget this year,
you've got to figure out how deeply those people are
entrenched in a mindset that's been established since post war.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And just to step in for a second when you
say that, what you're talking about is, I mean Donald
Trump gets elected in November. He is then picking cabinet
secretaries into January and sometimes beyond, and so they're getting
in he's getting into office, they're immediately going into hearings.
They're prepping for hearings. They're trying to get prepared at
(11:17):
the same time. And that is brutal, brutal the prep
for those hearings. So at the same time as you're
prepping for hearings, you have to say, Okay, I'm going
to say that I'm getting confirmed, so I have to
start interviewing staff and figuring out who's who. And that
is all just a very complicated, rush quick situation where
some snakes could come slither through the process.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
There is no what is the famous quote is absolute
power corrupts absolutely right, And people in DC, they're always
trying to move up that that ladder. So think of
all the people that have been working the system. How
you want to describe it, either nefarious or genuine. A
(12:02):
lot most of these people actually believe what they believe
in and they're doing they think they're doing great, great work.
But all of those people, all the five star or
four stars, all the people that were writing policy at
all these different think tanks, all the people that were
part of the defense and the military industrial complex and
all the defense industry, all the people in the Senate
(12:23):
or the Congress that thought they had a shot at
being the Secretary of Defense. And now all of a sudden,
he pisss. What this kid? This whatever? How people that
the disgusting way they describe it. And I'll tell you
some of my closest friends are really close with Pete,
and they all say the same thing, that he is
a genuine brilliant guy. Right, this whole garbage that he's
(12:45):
just some newscaster, it's ridiculous, Right, He's a war fighter.
And so they bring him in now all of those
people are upset, and so what is the way that
you remember these people are the world's greatest operators, right,
not only the intelligens industry, but the DoD What do
we do. What's their whole job is to tear down
the enemy. And so if you get slated as the enemy,
(13:09):
stand by, they're going to come up you every which way.
But from Sunday. And so you know my issue now
is I love it. I love he's out there shaking
hands and lifting troops up and revitalizing the warfighter. But listen,
if you hear this, you know Sean, my good buddy
who used to be in the network with Claim Bock,
(13:31):
Sean Parnell, I love you, Sean, God bless you man.
I'm so proud of you. But if you hear this
or Pete, this gets to you, get in the building.
Stay in the building. That's where things will change when
you understand how that building works, how the bureaucracy works,
and you can attack the rot there. That's what needs
(13:51):
to take place.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
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into making sure he's communicating with the people that the
people are seeing the active presence in the in the government.
(15:25):
And do you think that that there is a balance
that needs to be struck because you have Alena Haba
out on the streets, You've got christinom out on the streets.
And honestly, that's a question I had for you too.
What is your opinion of that? Because you've got the
Secretary of Department of Homeland Security out there going in in,
she's leading the raid, but she's not a trained she
(15:47):
hasn't gone through the academy. I mean, she's not a
trained law enforcement official. Is that dangerous?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Does the same thing apply there? And I hadn't really,
I hadn't thought about this until you said this to me.
But I'm like, man, if you are the office, is
somebody doing stuff behind your back? And is that the
best place for you to be?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No, it's all like you got to understand. The morale
was so pulverized beginning. I mean, you can go way
back if you want. I mean I've talked to many
people back even in the Obama administration that could not
get hired because you know, however, they answered their questions
and their political views were kind of understood. That they
(16:29):
were pushed off and the resume was dropped in the
drawer and never to be seen again. And and so
you know that that took place over a long time.
And the idea now that that what we need is
to rebuild that morale. I get it. I prove that
that's good. But to what degree are you willing to
sacrifice the operational requirements against the rot right, the deep state,
(16:53):
the blob, whatever you want to talk about it. These
people that are connected to you know, whatever power or
financial aspirations they're having. You got to focus there first.
You know, with Christy Nome, I understand what she's doing,
you know, but the photo, just the photograph the other
day where she's holding the gun incorrectly that blew up
(17:14):
on X Man and every single operator I knew did
a new follow are just pulverizing, like, hey, stop what
you're doing and get in the building. That's where you
need to be. Even the bus like God bless you know,
Cash and Pambondi, and you know they're trying to say, hey,
look we're fighting against criminals, we're fighting the war, we're
(17:36):
doing what we need to do that big half billion
button dollar bus down in Florida. I get it, But man,
let your deputies take to you know, get in front,
show a different face. We've seen your face, promote the
other people that are loyal to you. Let them do
that type of thing. And we need those people in
the office in those places to figure out what's happened
(17:58):
and how do we fix the solution.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, I thought it was I mean really, I hadn't
thought about what you were saying until you said it,
and then it started to strike me, like if the
person is out of the office, who is kind of
plotting against them? And I know that sounds crazy, but
that is how these agencies, how many people work because
they are trying. There is there are a lot of climbers.
(18:21):
There are people that are angry there. There's just it.
It's not like a business. It's not necessarily the case
that everybody's kind of working toward the same goal. There
are people with their own personal goals, right, So you
have to sort of have eyes in the back of
your head to see what's going on. And I've just
noticed that in the last week we've had these attacks,
(18:42):
well in the last few weeks you had the attacks
against Pete Hagsas saying, oh, he let somebody into this chat.
You know he's not. It's just like kind of picking
away at his character as a leader. And then there
was a big expose on DHS and who's involved there,
and you just made me think to me, those things
are like, oh, that's just a hit piece, just an article.
(19:04):
And then as you're saying this, I'm like, gosh, what
if the stuff does add up and that's how they
boot these people out and that destroys the whole movement.
And I mean that's maybe that's an extreme view, but
you do have me thinking, oh.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's not extreme at all. That And that's what they
want everybody to believe, is that when you go out
and you get on your show or I'm on my
show or whoever it is, and we start pointing this
stuff up, they label us as extremists or conspiratorial or whatever.
And that's that's always my favorite thing. The people who
invented the term conspiracy theorists are the ones who call
(19:39):
you a conspiracist. Right, So for me, what do I
do is I look at if I go in and
I work with a sports team or I work with
a business, and you know, the first thing I do
is I always say, all right, you know, how does
your command structure? Look, where where do we let's start there?
And then what type of training do you have and
it's and it's yeah, it's the operation rational execution? How
(20:01):
does it work? How does the organization function? Right?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Who?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How do the directives or the policy get made, how
do they become you know, their derivative of Congress or
law or the president's executive orders? And then how do
you execate cute those down the whole chain of command?
And then how do you make sure that the orders
are being followed? And then what is the reaction if
the orders aren't? You know? And so we're sitting here
focused on some some you know, reservists who didn't want
(20:28):
to put up the president's pitcher as a main news story.
And that's intentional too, so and you know, this is
tradecraft one on one, right, And I think another awesome
component of Mike Bens is he teaches us how this works. So,
you know, I work for the Central Intelligence Agency for
a little while, you know, just the blip, a little
bit of time, but I got enough time in to
(20:49):
realize this is outwork. So if you want to change
the opinion, how do you do it? You you plant
information that begins to challenge what the colultural narrative is,
which traditionally is a cultural narrative based on you know,
long term behavioral patterns. And then you attack that right,
and then all of a sudden people start to go, oh,
(21:10):
well that must be true because the experts are saying it.
And then once it's somehow locked into the social consciousness,
they come in and say, see, this is real, this
is the deal, this is what's going on. This is
a big thing there. These people are incompetent. We need
to get rid of them, which then gives the people
the you know, the people around Caesar, gives them the
(21:34):
go ahead or the green light to start attacking. And
what better way to attack. You pull away the people
who are most loyal, You isolate the person is at
the top, and then you know, at two brute right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, no, I mean I think that people forget that
you're dealing with essentially professional mind benders. I mean that's
what they have been trained to do, is to bend
your mind the way they want you to think. And
this is what you go in there and you're working
with these people and you have to understand that. But
the political world is so twisted compared to the regular world.
(22:12):
I mean, just this week, I will say, we I've
watched what when you know, we ran a race here
in Michigan, and then you have people when I ran
I've told the story before. When I first started, people
said to me, pick the ten people that are closest
to you. By the end of the campaign, you might
have five. And I remember thinking that's a terrible thing
(22:34):
to say. And then at the end of the campaign,
I think I was like, Okay, there's about three people
I trust left in the world. Because you really do
have people just do terrible things and they lie right
to your face and they manipulate and these are not
trained people. So that's why I think. I think about
the people on the level of campaigning and state levels
(22:54):
kind of stuff that are not trained to manipulate people's minds,
and they're bad enough. I mean, this week, I will say,
this just cracks me up because there's a woman here
in the state of Michigan and she sends me I
put out a statement. You know, I was looking at
the Senate race and the governor's race, and she sends
me this tweet or she sends me a text with
(23:15):
a screenshot of my announcement and she said, I'm so excited,
can't wait, like totally support you. And then can I
work for you? I have this organization that does this
and I want to work for your campaign. And then
yesterday someone goes out and tweets about me and says,
you know, she doesn't she shouldn't be running for one
(23:37):
of these offices, and she openly comments on Twitter, Yes,
all she cares about is getting her face out there,
something like she's a you know, media whoror or something.
And I'm like, do you think I can't see? But
these are people who reach out to you, tell you
I love you, I support you, I want to help you,
and they actually hate you. I mean, you really don't
(23:57):
know who to trust in this world. There's like there's
no when loyal very few.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yes, very few, because there are, I mean there are people,
but you have to think about what are how do
we build those bonds to where we can trust somebody?
And then the biggest thing is once people get a taste, right,
a little bit of taste of what is it a
validation of how important they are, a validation of you know,
how they learn how to play the game. And and
(24:25):
then they're like, oh man, this feels good. And you know,
maybe someday I can be a chief of staff. And
then someday I can find myself at the Pentagon or
at the Agency, or or or wherever their aspiration is,
or next to the governor. Better even yet, maybe I
can run for governor, run for this. And and what
happens is is that you know that that what that
(24:47):
desire overwhelms our sense of morality. It's the oldest thing
in human the human condition is, you know, how easily
we can be manipulated. Right, The greatest, the greatest I
ever told was the devil convintion it didn't exist and
and and that evil is out there. So yeah, the
hardest thing when you are aspiring to make real change
(25:10):
is to stay true to that belief and then to
have the appropriate fighters around you that can withstand the
storm with you. That you know, and it's it's very difficult.
I commend you in every different way. I mean, you know,
watching you go up against uh, you know, Whitmer was
one of my favorite races to follow, and pay attention to.
(25:31):
But you were up against something and you know, per
proof positive. We just we just saw what a couple
of weeks ago that those guys who came up with
the kidnapping case, right their appeal was shot down pretty unanimously.
And even after we learned that, you know, out of
the twelve people that supported, like most of them were
FBI paid informants or or or or work for the
(25:54):
beer themselves. I mean, and and you're just like, wait,
what how this is the level of this is the
Machiavellian level that is considered the standard operating procedure in politics.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
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(27:34):
results from Gretchen Whitmer and what she's done in the
state of Michigan. And I say that in all seriousness.
I mean the numbers don't lie. The schools are terrible,
the business, the jobs have left. There have been tens
of thousands of jobs lost under her leadership. If we
can even call it that the energy grid is a disaster.
(27:57):
I mean, oh, you can go through measure after measure
of what a governor should be taken care of, and
she's failed at everyone. And yet she's on every list
for them to nominate as president as their presidential candidate
in twenty eight How bizarre is that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
No, that's the standard, right, I mean my favorite one
recently and this is this is one that this proves
the sheer level of what of it. It's a form
of cognitive dissonance, but it's even bigger. You know, it's
sociopathic in nature. Really, I think was when we watched
you know, Western La burn to the ground, and for
(28:40):
years and years and years, all the signs that this
was coming, even there was a warning the week before.
You know, you've got the mayor over, and you've gond
or wherever she was, you've got newsomb out of pocket
or whatever it is. The place burns down. A month
or two later, he starts a podcast and he has
Charlie Kirk and Steam O'Bannon as this first two people
(29:02):
on the show, and he's like, hey, I'm actually center.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, I know again, why do why does our side
even let that happen because it gives him this weird win.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I don't think it does. I think the American public
is much smarter than everybody gives them credit for. I
believe what you saw. You had this tremendous shift towards Trump.
And these people are not Trumpers. They're not maga diehards.
They're not in you know what the what the left call,
right could, They're not in that. What they were is
they're like, we're sick of the lies. We're sick of
(29:39):
being gaslet. We're sick of what they're trying to spew
to us, of the old guard media, right the you know,
the senior citizens and media like cal them, and you
know they know it's a lie. So now they're pivoting
to find their information on different places and different programs.
And that's why you know, our media now is thriving
and podcast to thrive in these independent voices like yourself,
(30:02):
who was in the fight, saw the intense storm that
the lies, and now they attack you and every other aspect. Well,
you can speak truth to that to people, and that's
where people are gravitating towards You know, all I do
is and you don't. You don't have to believe me.
But you just have to believe the numbers. Right, Numbers
(30:24):
don't lie, math doesn't lie. And so what is Joe Rogan?
It's something like sixty seven million unique downloads per month?
What's Sean Ryan? My best friend Sean Ryan show does
thirty some like thirty two thirty four million downloads per month?
Those numbers are so beyond what the old Guard is doing.
(30:45):
That scares the hell out of them. So what are
they willing to do? They're willing to whip up their
base into a frenzy that now we're seeing what people
burning down tesla's and attacking people and like it's you
have to stoke the fear in order to make the
lie seem real.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Right, right, Well, so you're part of this, You're part
of this new media. So tell everybody how they listen
to your show or can they watch the show? Tell
us everything about it, for sure?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know my whole intention was and for you know,
I've been in podcasting since twenty thirteen. I started with
a live online show called Navy Seal Radio, which I
do live every Saturday. It was a lot of fun,
and then had the incredible blessing to my friend Marcus
Latrell reached out and said, hey, let's do a show,
and I was part of the team Never Quit podcast,
(31:40):
and you know, in twenty sixteen, after six months, we
were actually nominated by iTunes as one of the top
thirty podcasts of the year that year. You know, in
the three years I was a part of it, I
think we masked something like twenty million downloads. We were
one of the biggest shows in the world. Because of
some family personal things, I left the show to be
home or I met my new wife and had four daughters,
(32:03):
and I was like, I can't, I can't commit at
that level. So then I launched the frog Logic podcast
did that for several years twenty twenty. I was essentially canceled.
Even though I was always motivational my whole life. I
don't I hate I hated to be open about my
politics or to call people out. But then after that,
it kind of I'm not going to say it radicalized me,
(32:25):
but it it made me recognize that, you know, the
stuff that you know, the stuff that I used to
do in my old my old life, right when I
carried a gun for a living. It seemed like that
was trying that was being done to the American public
on many different levels, and it's been proven and so
many different explicit points that were is asgregious as anything
(32:47):
I'd ever seen. And so after I kind of got
my my myself back together, my business had collapsed, everything
was over. I kind of got back got my my
my you know, generating enough revenue to support my family.
And just a couple months ago is when Buck reached
out and was like, hey, rut brother, you know, hey,
you got any interest of getting back behind the mic?
(33:09):
And I jumped at it. Boy, I was so excited
to as you know, to be a part of their
network and how impact those men have and to work
for Premiere is just it's such a blessing. And so
my idea is I just want to bring a little
bit of common sense to a tsunami of information so
(33:32):
that I can kind of consolidate and help contextualize, you know,
the information that's going to protect people against that onslaught
by that negative insurgencies. Those are nefarious forces that are
trying to convince people something that's not true is true
to get whatever ends necessary to do whatever they have
to do. And so that's the whole pretense behind the
(33:54):
David Rutherford Show. You can find me everywhere on Audio, Apple, Spotify,
the iHeart Network. You can find a video on YouTube, Rumble.
We've got a Patreon account. If you go on all
social media X, Instagram, Tiktac, it's David Rutherford Show at
(34:15):
David Rutherford Show, and then on X It's de Rutherford Show.
And then if you want to follow me, it's at
Team frog Logic.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Awesome, thank you so much, thank you for being on today.
It was awesome to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well, listen, what you got to do for me is
you just got promise now that I can get you
on my show. Of course we can dig into how
you're going to fight this thing this next time out,
because that's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Of course. Of course, Well, and I want to say
thank you to everybody listening, and you made me think.
I always tell people you can download on iheard on Apple,
you go to the Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, but I
never tell people that you can actually watch it on
Rumble too. So we put our show out there on Rumble.
If you want to see the show at any time time,
you can check it out on Rumble. We are there,
(35:03):
every every episode is there. So I appreciate having you
on today and I appreciate all of our listeners. Thank
you all so much. Have a blessed day.
Host
Tudor Dixon
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