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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing?
This is John and three and Out podcast. I pushed

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back the Master's preview till Wednesday. Still working on my
betting card. It's a little overwhelming, a lot going on.
It got rained out today, the practice round on Monday,
so I wait for some guys to talk on Tuesday.
See if any news comes out injuries or withdraws or anything.
Then we will have a big, big Master's kind of
preview from a betting perspective that will come out Monday.

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But today we'll be about football. And we had some
teams starting. They're voluntary Phase one, a lot of new coaches,
Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn. It's not Rabel's first rodeo, but
it's his first day as the Patriot head coach with
his whole team back. And wanted to dive into the
reality show that is the Draft. We're gonna do something

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on the draft every single day moving forward, so buckle up.
And some other stuff going on around the NFL. Couple
rants here and there on just random stuff in the world.
Vlad Guerrero got five hundred million dollars. Not the Dad,
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and I'm gonna need you because we're in the off
season now. It's the next week or two are pretty
slow and then we obviously Draft week we amp back up,
but not you know, the free agency has come to

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a screeching halt. Obviously the pro days now are basically over,
so that the NFL, I don't want to say, goes
into hibernation because the franchises are working the draft meetings
and the players are back in down. But in terms
of the stories coming out like they have been over
the last month, it definitely it definitely slows down. So

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the plight of coaches. And I love going to a

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wiki page and seeing where they start and how they
got to either become a coordinator and obviously how to
become a head coach, and a lot of these guys
it's a very nomadic profession. I mean, there are some
individuals you see You're like, wait, this guy's forty three
and he's already worked for seven teams. It's like geez, Louise.
I mean, one time you get fired, another time, you
move up a couple times, and then you get a

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promotion somewhere else. You just bounce around a lot, maybe
started in college and then you got your chance in
the NFL. But you had to take a step back
and listen. Like when you hire Mike Vrabel or Pete Carroll,
you kind of know what you're getting. When Starbucks hired
the CEO from Chipotle, they were pretty confident he knows
what he's doing, given that he had not just revamped

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and taking care of Chipotle and taking into another level.
He had done the same with Tackle Bell. This wasn't
some like, oh, we're getting the COO from company X. Now.
It's like this guy's got a track record. But anytime
a guy goes from becoming a coordinator to a head coach,
it's a completely different job. Like they don't have that
many parallels. Right. As a coordinator, all you care about

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are schematics and the guys that are available to play
that given week and the game plan. As a head coach,
you deal with things that you could never envisioned as
an assistant coach. You're dealing with training staff, with equipment, staff,
with the ownership, with the front office, with people's emotions
good and bad, with injuries, when people get in trouble.

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Everything that happens when it comes to your team comes
to your desk. That is not true as a coordinator,
and honestly, even when it's on your side of the ball,
as a coordinator, you have no decision making power when
it comes to like do we cut them, do we
trade them, do we suspend them? Do we benjam like,
that's not your call. And Mike Vrabel and Pete Carroll's

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been making these calls now for three decades. Mike Vrabel,
it felt like was born to be a head coach.
I'm fascinated by these guys, especially a guy like Ben Johnson,
who was like best offensive coordinator since like the McVeigh crew, right,
since the Shanahan's Mcveigh's, Lafleur's, Kevin O'Connell, Like he's the
next I know he's not from that tree, but the

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way we talk about him, he might as well be.
This guy is a genius. It doesn't get any better
than this. Well, now he's the head coach. And today
in these early voluntary workouts don't really have anything to
do with football in terms of on the field running plays,
but it's I think the first phase is a lot
of working out and getting in shape for the second phase,

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which then gets a little more in depth with the coaching.
But like today was the first time in his career
he's got in front of the entire team as the
head coach. Now, him and Aaron Glenn have obviously talked
to the team over the years when it came to
the Lions as coordinators. I'm not even just talking about

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their unit. They have got in front of the team
countless times training camp, during the season. It's just a
natural thing that coaching staffs do. Sometimes they rotate depending
on the coach. Some guys talk more than others. But
there was no confusion who in that building was the boss.
It was Dan Campbell. So when Aiden Hutchinson shattered his leg, like,

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that's Dan Campbell and the GM's job to figure out
what we're gonna do, not Aaron Glents. Now that he's
in charge, like those decisions fall on him, and it's
easy to root for these two guys. It's incredible what
these two guys have done. And we know they both
know football schematically. Why because they came from a CEO

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head coach and they got to control it all on
offense and defense. But they are both going to a
place where you look at the history is not a
place conducive to success when it comes to being a
head coach. The Jets fire a lot of coaches, so
do the Bears. And I think when you look at
these two guys, they're easy to room for. They seem

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just like high level guys. Dan Campbell swears by them both.
But it is going to be very challenging. Now, in theory,
the Bear's job should be easier than the Jets job
because at least they have something to work with at
quarterback that people are very hopeful on. We'll see on
justin fields. But the one thing I say about the
Bear is that division is no joke. That is not

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an easy division to lead. But I think anytime that
you take this step, we have no clue how it's
gonna work out. It's a little like the draft. How
many times have we seen, like God, it's one of
the best college players we've ever seen. This guy dominated
in the SEC and the Big ten, in the Pac twelve,
and then they get to the NFL and they're kind
of an afterthought because it's just a projection. We don't

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know how it's gonna work. It's an enormous step. Same
thing with being a head coach, the pressure, the stress,
now defense or offense, not your side of the ball
is also on your plate. Getting to know those players.
The way that you conduct yourself and act good or bad,
positively or negatively impacts everyone because everyone's looking at you

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for direction. And I would say the one thing about
the two Lions guys is they came to a guy
pretty comfortable, clearly in his own skin. When it came
to leadership, you would say, Dan Campbell has vaulted himself
near the top of the list in the NFL of
handling all that type stuff. These guys handled the schematics
football wise, but in terms of leading the group, leading

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the troops, handling messaging, he was a lite at that
And now this falls on them. And like he dealt
with the GM, because that's what head coaches do. They
work hand in hand with the GM, not the coordinators.
Not saying the coordinators don't have interactions and don't talk
to them, they don't run ideas by him. But the
buck doesn't stop with them, and now it does. And

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you know, Mike Vrabel, when he gets like he's comfortable
in that role, why he's done it for a long time.
Same like we said with Pete Carroll. But for these
guys to be fascinating to see and saying whenever the
Cowboys start with Brian Schottenheimer, it is it's a massive,
massive step and you really have no time to like that.
There is no time for a learning curve because the

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season's five six months away and then you're playing games
and all of a sudden, you're playing Dan quinn or
Sean McVay or Jim or John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlins. Like,
these guys just know what they're doing. So it good
luck to all these teams. It's exciting and this is
why you know, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn Now got huge

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raises because you're in charge. I was thinking about this
when it comes to the draft. You know, ultimately what
the draft is, it's just a gigantic reality show, right.
It intermixes college football the pros and then all these
guys getting sent to different teams and a lot of

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them on a given draft star studded. Right. I think
the highest rated draft in recent years was now It's
somewhat unique twenty twenty, which you know, not great times.
We're all stuck at home. That was the draft when
Belichick had the dog. You know, everyone's all the head

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coaches and gms are drafting from their homes. It was
also a star studded draft when it came to quarterbacks.
You know, Joe Burrow had just had one of the
great seasons we've ever seen, LSU had won the national championship. Tua,
I mean, there was tank for Tua going on, and
Justin Herbert, who it's weird he was the third quarterback taken,
but he had basically been a four year starter at

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Oregon and like sixteen million people watched last year, got
enormous ratings. Why quarterback century and a draft? In terms
of popularity, it's like, John when are you gonna break
down Will Campbell? Yeah, probably not happening on the show.
Besides just yeah, his arms are a question mark, but
like no one's if I started breaking down his feet

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and technique, not that that interests me at all, it
definitely would not interest you and you would turn off
the podcast. So I think we love talking about quarterbacks.
We know they're the most important position, and they also
drive a draft, right the Johnny footballs, the Carson Wentz
Mariota years, the RG three Andrew Luckiers like those are

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enormous times for the interest of this product. And I
think this is we're kind of caught in no man's land,
and I was thinking about this the best thing that
could happen for this draft, especially on Draft night, and listen,
I have no clue what's gonna happen to Shador. I
like Schador as a player. I enjoyed watching him this season.
I think he's a pretty good player. I gambled on

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him a lot, and he won me some money. He
made some huge plays. I mean that throw he made
against Baylor rolling to his left. I remember watching it live,
like my jaw hit the floor. It was freaking awesome.
I don't disagree with people saying, like, you know, historically
it's not some all time great prospect, and that's one
hundred percent true. Ten years ago, a guy like this
probably goes in the second round. Well, a home used

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to cost four hundred grand. That same home now costs
nine hundred grand. Things change, and that's what's happening with quarterbacks, right.
They used to guys like Derek Carr and Andy Dalton
and Jimmy Garoppolo used to fall to the second round.
No one thought anything of it. Those guys now all
go in the top twenty. We just saw it last year.
Everyone's like Bo Dix not a first round quarterback. Not
only is he a first round quarterback, he's gonna go

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twelve and then he's gonna be a starter immediately and
lead a team to the playoffs. Now, lead a team
would be strong, but be a starting quarterback on a
playoff team. So could Shador go three? Because now Travis
Hunter is the betting favorite to go number two? Sure,
could he go six? Could he go fifteen? Could he
go twenty? Yeah? I don't know, but I know the

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drama on the draft. He by far is their biggest character.
I'm not proud to say this, and I've never been
a Bravo watcher, but my wife she loves a couple
of the shows, Southern Charm, She's addicted, and I'd be
lying if I said, listen, I hate watch it, but
I also like it a little. And you know, Summer
House is another one of those shows. They are two

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of the most popular shows on Bravo. They crush and
on some of these shows, these people break up. They
have these longer relationships. They break up and they are
still on the show years later together even though they're
dating other people, And you're like, how weird is that
because most human beings, when they break up with somebody, typically,

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especially when you're younger, you probably don't spend as much
time around that person anymore. But in these shows they do.
And the reason is because they're paying these people so
much money that like it's too lucrative for them just
to quit. On Summer House, these two were engaged, they
broke up the last episode of the season, their engagement

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a month before they were supposed to be married. And
then this season they're just back on the show and
it's like, how could you be around someone that you
were engaged to, that you dated for a long time.
This chick is now pregnant with some other dude and
spend around it's simple money, and you know what, that
creates a lot of drama that creates interests. Bravos got
these people by the balls, paying them twenty five to

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thirty forty grand an episode. It's like they're paying them
too much to quit, and that creates the interest. And
that's all the draft is. It's a huge reality television show.
And shador I would say, is the biggest reality television
character in this upcoming draft we have seen in years past,
it's been other people last year, by far, it was
Kayleb Williams. It was not even close. But the other

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quarterbacks were pretty big. You know, Jaden Daniels Heisman Trophy,
LSU became a pretty big deal. Bo Nicks had played
at Oregon, Michael Panics had played at Washington. Those were
big time programs and their stardom had grown and grown
and grown. And it's a huge reason why football is
so big is because college football and the NFL are
just so closely connected, and they flow right into the draft,

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which is one of the biggest events. You could argue,
the biggest event non game of the year. So I
think the Chador thing is just fascinating. I would have
no problem if I needed a quarterback taking them. I
think the Giants thinking that you can keep a job
with Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston wouldn't just be naive.

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It'd be crazy. Now if they say, hey, we like
a quarterback we can get in the second or third
round more than him, then I hear you take abdual Carter,
take another player, but you better be right because you're
gonna lose your job. And I'm telling you, Pete Carroll,
I would not be shocked at all, especially with the
power that Tom Brady now yields in that organization and
his connection with Shador. But I think by far no

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one knows. It's the best part about draft season. No
one actually knows because what a lot of the media
is being told, as Morgan Wallen would say, are lies, lies, lies.
I mean, you can't believe anything this time of year.
Things are coming all over the place. These teams now
for the next week or two are really hammering down
their draft board. Coaches, let's face it, have big mouths,

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They talk a lot. Some of these coaches are not
in the loop that they do not know what's going on.
Some of them do, so this information getting out, it's
impossible to know what's correct and what's not. Obviously, the
betting markets now are hard not to take seriously because
they clearly kind of know what's going on. And sitting
here today, we know cam Ward is going number one.

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I feel really confident on that, and that's not because
the betting markets. I mean, hell, a month ago I
was told that by someone that would know. And when
it comes to two and three, like it does feel
in some order that the other the two top prospects
in this draft, Carter and Hunter will go and then
Shador's like, we'll see, But I would never rule out
like Okay should or ended up with the Giants. Wouldn't

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shock you. It wouldn't be like Michael Pennox last year
with Atlanta. So it's it's gonna be fascinating how this
works out. But don't ever get this twist. This is
a gigantic reality show and it's listen. It's someone that
has a love hate relationship with reality shows. I do
respect kind of the business model of it all, and
it's whether it's scripted regardless what it is like. I

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do think there's some validity to some of these people's emotions,
but it's hard for them to get out if the
network wants them to stay because they're paying them so
much money. And it's a little like that with like Shador
is just in this gossip loop, which is part of
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Speaker 1 (20:00):
Another thing that happened today is like Trent Balke is
a polarizing figure. I've been talking about him for years
because it does feel like a lot of people in
the NFL don't like him, definitely do not trust him.
And it felt kind of mob style this year that
Liam Cohen in a weird way indirectly took out Trent.

(20:21):
It's like, hey, shod you want to hire me, I'll
never working for this guy. So if you want me,
you better get rid of this guy. And then he
was fired. A couple of years ago, he made a
draft pick that was I would say pretty baalsy. Aiden
Hutchinson was as close to a can't miss again. I
say it all the time, there is no such thing,
but there are players that it's going to be harder

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for them not to be a contributing member of a team.
That's Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. Are they going to
be All Stars? Are they going to be Hall of Famers?
I don't know. I have a hard time seeing Abdull
Carter and Travis Hunter health permitting not be good players
in the NFL. I said the same thing about Aidan Hudginson.
It's like, yeah, I didn't know he was gonna be
as good as he is, but if you watch him

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play at Michigan, you're like, this fucking guy can play.
He took Trayvon Walker, who at the time was on
this star studded Georgia defense that had first rounders all
over the place, and he wasn't the best player. But
it doesn't always play out that way when it comes
to a draft, like what are your measurables? Physically? The
guy was a freak, even though he wasn't the most productive. Like,

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I don't want to say Trent Balkey got it right
because I would still rather have Aiden Hutchinson over Trayvon Walker,
but he definitely didn't get it wrong. Walker's had ten
sacks each of the last two years. He just got
his fifth year option picked up by an administration that
had nothing to do with him. Liam Cohen, I think Gladstone,
maybe I'm screwing up his name. The new GM from

(21:46):
La and Boselli. The Jags actually put out on YouTube
behind the scenes video of Cohen, the New GM and Boselli.
It was really I enjoyed it. I watched it on
YouTube probably within the last week. Tony Boselli feels like
just a high level, impressive guy ran into him once
at Starbucks. He is fucking massive. He looked. He looks

(22:08):
really skinny and good right now, maybe a little zempic
going on, but it feels like the JAG's got some
positive momentum. But anytime you get a new operation, like
you saw Mike Rabel come in and Josh McDaniels and
they're like, Joe Milton, you're out of here. It's like
you just drafted me. You don't want no, You're gone,
see you, buddy, And they just they just trade him
for basically nothing. It's like, we just want him out

(22:29):
of the building. Why we're setting the tone. We want
our guys. And someone will say, well, they wanted to
clear the decks for Drake May. It's like, yeah, Drake
May is not worried about Joe Milton, but like Mike
Rabel wants no questions asked. And a lot of times
when you get new administrations, they just if you're not
our guy, it's like a wait and see approach, and
there was no wait and see approach to this. It's like, yeah,
fifty year option, We'll pay you fifteen million dollars and

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wouldn't shock me if things go well, they give him
a huge contract extension. So Trent Balke takes a lot
of shit, currently unemployed, probably getting paid to do nothing.
Give him some credit on that one because it was
controversial and not even necessarily correct because as of the
day it wasn't the correct decision, but it wasn't a
wrong disaster either. A couple other things non football. Vlad

(23:15):
Guerrero Junior, the son of Vlad Guerrero, I don't think
he's seniors. Is Vlad Guerrero who I loved, I mean
the guy he sway out of his shoes, hit bombs,
Bvlad Guerrero the dad made I think almost one hundred
and fifty million dollars playing baseball. His son, who is
a big bopper like his father, but definitely built a

(23:38):
little different, little more physical, you know, size wise, is
just signed a contract for five hundred million dollars. And listen,
I have seen the internet and seen people with takes
all over the place, like you're just a year away.
You've waited this long, you could have seen what the market.
Can you imagine someone putting five hundred million dollars in

(23:59):
front of your face in turning that down. We just
had a question the other day on the mail bag
about a guy's business and he could make two million
dollars in his mid thirties. It's like, this is listen,
I love I own this company. Things are going great.
It's like should I do this? And it makes you
think you probably have some sleepless nights. I'll never forget
being in Philadelphia when I first moved there, Cole Hamil's

(24:23):
was like this. I don't want to say the star pitcher,
because they had Roy Halliday as well, who was better.
But it's like they were gonna give Cole Hamill's an extension.
Maybe he was gonna make it the free agency, and
it was like he signed for one hundred and twenty
million dollars. And I remember someone saying like, can you
imagine being Cole Hammil's and trying to drive a hard bargain?
And then they put in fifteen years ago one hundred
twenty million dollars might as well have been like two

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fifty put that money in front of you and saying, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna wait another six months. It's hard
to pass up this money. Now signing a player on
the flip side to these ten plus year deals fourteen
years besides someone you marry. I don't know if I
would do business with anybody and sign a fourteen year contract.

(25:06):
That feels pretty crazy. Obviously, if you have a thirty
year mortgage, that's a long contract that you have with
the bank. But in terms of a business partner, and
from the Blue Jay standpoint now, the way that you
advertize it, if you are going to give a guy
five hundred million dollars, you'd rather do fourteen years than five.
But it does seem a little crazy, and it's weird.

(25:27):
Like baseball. All you ever hear from people on the
show is Baseball's dead because they just talk about the
NBA when ninety percent of the NBA nobody watches, and
you see these contracts being divvied out in Baseball's like
seven hundred million here, seven hundred and fifty million here,
or three hundred and fifty million, five hundred million, it's weird,
like cool for these guys it's an exorbitant amount of money.

(25:48):
It doesn't feel like a great deal for the team. Now,
I get if you're Toronto you don't want to lose them,
But if you're a great baseball player, right now, it
is a lucrative proposition. One thing, I have one stance
I'm gonna take moving forward and listen, we talk about
it here in regards to a guy moving teams. You know,

(26:10):
it's happening in basketball right now. You see this guy
goes from San Diego State and he goes to Wisconsin.
This guy transfers from Washington State to Kentucky. It's happening
all the time. I'm done with the arguing back and
forth about nil, Like, I just don't care. How are
people still so worked up over this? Now I understand
it's not an ideal situation and it's gonna play itself out.

(26:33):
But after a year or two, I get being like
having takes and takes. I don't understand how people are
still arguing this. I just like, who cares, Let's just
play itself out. It's like, this guy wants so and
so wants this much money. Will either offer him that
much money or say no? And if you say no,

(26:54):
and he goes somewhere else and he gets that much money.
That was his value if you say no, and he
can't get that much money anywhere else, and he'll take
what you offered him, like welcome to supply and demand.
I just think some of these takes on nil. I'm
just kind of getting exhausted with it, Like I don't
give a shit whether this guy gets three hundred thousand
or five hundred thousand, cool for him. I mean, I

(27:16):
just don't see how everyone is still so worked up.
And I'm talking more media people see him arguing constantly,
like on my Twitter timeline, It's like, how do you
guys care this much at this point in time? I mean,
we are several years into this. Let people make mistakes,
let them not make mistakes. Hey, who gives a shit,
It's all gonna play itself out. And last, but not least,

(27:39):
I enjoyed the first couple of seasons of White Lotus.
It was really good. I found this last season awful,
like really really boring. And my standards for television are
pretty low, Like I'm pretty easily entertained given that I
watch now Summerhouse in Southern Charm, so a show like
White Lotus, I welcome into my life. And the first

(28:03):
several seasons were pretty incredible, like they were just I
don't want to say elite television, but they were pretty
high level. This last season was awful. I thought it
was a snoozefest. Now I keep watching, and it's weird.
Sometimes with television shows, I get fomo like I don't

(28:24):
want to miss out when I feel like a lot
of people are watching, even if I don't like the show.
The best example for me on this would have been
Game of Thrones. I'm just not into like dragons, so
if you tell me there are dragons in a show, like,
it's not gonna be for me. But it felt culturally
the show was so big I had to watch, and
there was enough violence and enough nudity. I was like, oh,

(28:44):
I'm entertained. But I did not think it was as
like a transcendent as clearly a lot of people in
this space of talking about things. I feel White Lotus
kind of fell under that umbrella, like everyone held the
show to such high regard because of the previous seasons,
and rightfully so it was awesome, and then this season happened.

(29:04):
You're like, come on, guys, this isn't really it, and
we all know it. We're watching because we despite having
a million streaming services and a million shows to watch,
most of them kind of suck and we get into it.
It's not that interesting. Occasionally you run into like an
interesting documentary. Me and Maria just watched this chick called
like Ruby Frank. She was like this YouTube mom in Utah.

(29:30):
It's crazy. I mean, it makes you sick to your stomach.
You'd root for her. I mean, jail is not enough.
I'll just say that, like, I mean she should she
should go bye bye forever, not in a jail, probably down,
not up. But you watched it. It was really well done.
It was really powerful. Sometimes you run into like I

(29:52):
didn't even know about the story, but you know, you
get shows like White Lotus to build up everyone's talking
about it, and then you watch this season you're like, eh, what,
it's just kind of stupid, but yeah, it's finally over.
And then the anticipation for season five. Let's just hope
it's better than season four. Let's start with Allen again,

(30:27):
just firing those dms, thinking about the events of the
Super Bowl and what could happen in the next few years.
From Mahomes and the Chiefs. Could we see a Steph
Curry career for Patrick wins early and shows to be
the best player in the league, and then as the
team gets older, key players aren't there anymore and you're

(30:47):
just not the same, but you somehow make a championship
game a few years later after that last trip. We
could see Travis retire, Jones get injured, Oline never become strong,
Read retires. What are your thoughts on the similarities and
can you see something similar to Steph's career for Mahomes. Well,

(31:09):
I don't think they'll parallel each other because Curr's when
he won his championship in twenty two, it was still
with Raymond Green and Klay Thompson who had been there
since fifteen sixteen the Durant era, and then obviously those
guys had gotten injured in Clay mainly Achilles and acl tears.

(31:31):
I do think that the best thing that could happen
to like his the team big picture, if they had
a bad year where everyone got hurt and it was
just a disaster. And remember the Warriors had a year
where they had the second overall pick, they had a
year where they had two really high picks the following year.

(31:51):
So if you can bottom out and get a high pick,
and for the Chiefs that could be like pick seven
or nine or ten if they just over the next
couple of years a disastrous season. Obviously, I don't want
this to happen, but if he were to get hurt,
remember the Chiefs or excuse me, the Patriots. I forget
what year it was, but maybe they never really bought

(32:14):
himed out. I guess they just finished the second the
one time with Matt Castle. But you kind of got
to either get lucky with some later round draft picks.
But if they were to ever have a bad year
and Veitch were to get a top ten pick in
every round, it would be a problem. It really would.
And it also builds on the hype of you know,
this is the year remember when let's just say they
went nine to eight and they missed the playoffs, and

(32:37):
it's like, ah, he lost his fastball. And then the
next year, because you have the fifteenth pick in the draft,
you're able to kind of retool your roster. I doubt
that happens. I mean, I'm gonna bet the over this year,
but I hear what you're saying. I think there are similarities.
The difference is Patrick has never needed you know, Steph

(32:59):
took a lot of shit even though what he had already,
Kevin Durant needed him. He didn't need Kevin Durant, like
he'd already won a championship. Kevin came, they won a
couple more, and then he leaves. Kevin has never won
anything since Steph's won another championship. It's like Mahomes one
with Tyreek, one without Tyreek, one with a good offensive line,
one with an average one. So I actually think he's

(33:19):
already kind of done all the checklists. How does Anthony
Richardson go top five but Milroe will be a third
round or later pick. Was he almost hurt by how
much film we had on him? I've mentioned this before.
If Jalen Milroe had just played twelve games in college,

(33:40):
if Jalen Milroe would have just his season last year
would have been it. Yes, he would have gone higher.
The more film we have on a guy, the more
you get nitpicked, especially when it kind of is an
up and down experience, especially if you're not the most
accurate player. But listen, Jaen miro I saw today is

(34:01):
going to the draft I don't think he's going to
go in the first round. I think that would be insane.
I even think it's a second round pick. That's pretty crazy.
Third round, like Malik Willison has gone to the third round.
I can live with that if I'm a team, like
a project, if my OC and my quarterback coach are
into it. Though history would say most guys that struggle
with accuracy never turned that around. But we you know Milroe,

(34:23):
it's hard to get that Georgia first half, which might
have been the greatest first half he'll ever play in
his life, was pretty awesome. Everyone loves the guy. I
think that's Anthony Richinson had that going for him too.
Now clearly that's maturity has been a knock on him.
I've never heard that with Milroe. You were talking about

(34:43):
Gino and Cousins today, and I thought about other quarterbacks
that are close to that age other than Russ. I
couldn't think of any that had decent careers. Is this
a product of college offenses being so focused on bubbles
and short passes during that era or was it just
a weird coincidence that guys are left from the early

(35:04):
to mid tenths. Yeah, I think it's a weird coincidence
because if that was a trend, we never would have
got Lamar Josh mahomes Herbert. I mean, we've gotten a
lot of good quarterbacks hurts golf over the last seven
eight years, So I think it's just a weird coincidence.

(35:26):
We did go through a rough stretch there. You know,
Cam got old fast and he was really good for
a minute. Obviously won an MVP, but then his career
just fell off a cliff once the shoulder got hurt.
But if you think about rg Thie got hurt, you
know Foles could never quite find a role beside being

(35:47):
a backup. Yeah, I don't know. It's just you know,
Russ Dak to some mid rounders. Do you consider Dak
as part of that sixteen? Probably a little later than
you're talking about. There was a lot of eight lockers
and Christian Ponders and EJ. Manuals. I think it was
just a bad two or three year stretch. Clearly, it

(36:08):
feels like we're on a better one right now. It's
crazy how that happens sometimes. Patriot fan excited to see
how this upcoming season goes. I know you and Colin
feel how you guys feel about the over on our
wind total. Something to note too is that the farthest
the team travels this year to an away game is

(36:28):
New Orleans, pending any international games being finalized. My question
is how important is travel distance to overall team health
in morale? Seems like a good thing that we don't
need to do any West Coast games this season. Listen,
I never played in the NFL, so I can't speak
to you know what travel is like on the body now,

(36:52):
travel has never been easier for these guys unless you're
on the craft's plane, which obviously you guys are up.
They're like, there are cigarette what it was it? There
are not cigarette lighters, but ash trays. That was one.
Not there are ashtrays on the planes? Like, oh, sorry, guys,
no one's smoking on the plane. Who fucking cares? But

(37:15):
I hear you. It's like we'd like a newer plane.
That's yeah. But I would say, obviously, if you're traveling,
I think it's harder to go west to east, or
excuse me, it's it's harder to go east to west.
In terms of if you have a Monday night or

(37:36):
a Sunday night game and you're the Patriots, the Jets.
You know the Jets this year played Monday night football
in San Francisco. Well, the game ends at eight thirty
Pacific Standard time, what's eleven thirty their time, So by
the time did they get on the plane and start
taking off, it's what two two and a half hours later,
probably once you do media, shower, eat, and I mean

(37:57):
it takes a couple hours. Not only takes an hour
minimum just to get all your stuff off, change, get
everything to the bus, probably twenty thirty minutes by the
time you board the plane. I mean you're talking several hours.
So you don't even get up in the air till
eleven thirty at night Pacific standard time, and then it's
two thirty, you know, East Coast time, so by the
time you land sometimes the sun's coming out. That to

(38:21):
me throws you off. Vice versa. When you play on
the East fly back west, you gain time, so it
makes it a little bit easier. I do think there
is some value, Like if you play if you're the
Patriots or just any team and you've got like a
stretch where you play like the Chargers and then the
Seahawks or the Rams and then the forty nine ers

(38:42):
and it's like you just stay you know, in southern
California or whatever kind of some solid team bonding. Obviously
it works when you win. I think at the end
of the day, a lot comes down to like is
your team good? Because if your team's good, these guys
are used to think about now in football. In college football,
you know, if you're a Minnesota you come out to
play UCLA and then you play Oregon. Like, these guys

(39:04):
over the next couple of years are gonna get kind
of numb to the travel and the distances that some
of these conferences have to go. Right, if you are UCF,
you're in the Big Twelve, you come out to play
Arizona State, I mean some of the then you go
to Kansas. I mean some of the the travel distance
is now in college Stamford and Caller in the ACC,

(39:25):
that means they play Boston College, they play Duke in
North Carolina, Miami and Clemson and Florida State. I mean,
these guys they're used to some long road trips. Plus
in the pros, these guys are good with their bodies.
The teams take it so seriously how to rehab and recover.
So I it's not not a big deal, but it's

(39:48):
probably a little overhyped. I think it's fair unless you
just have an ungodly amount of travel, which you know
the coastal teams can get depending on their schedule, right Seattle,
the LA teams obviously, the Jets, the Giants, the Patriots, Panthers.
If you draw the opposite end of the NFC West

(40:11):
or the afcast like, you're gonna have some long flights
Hi from down Under. As a fellow podcaster, how do
you prepare for your podcast? It is one thing to
prepare for a guest, but being a solo podcaster is
at a different level. What is your key to success? Also,
what coffee do you drink? I would love to send
you some coffee. It's like this guy's got a coffee company.

(40:34):
I just drink. We got a coffee maker for the wedding.
It's actually pretty nice one with the beans. So I
usually get either Starbucks or Pete's or Duncan. Just the
beans a Safeway and dump them in and a couple
of shots of espresso in the morning, and then maybe
a coffee at lunch. I would say I've been doing
it the same since I've been in radio. To podcasting.

(40:56):
I just find things that I want to talk about. Obviously,
the just changed a little bit. I make notes on
my phone whenever thing's pop into my head, and like
today it's two o'clock recording the mail bag. I mean,
the mail bag is pretty self explanatory. You guys are
just asking me questions. But for anything that's not the
mail bag, I write it out things that I'm excited about,
angles I want to take, Yeah, things I think are interesting.

(41:20):
Kind of write it out before the show and then
press play and just talk about it. It helps me kind
of get my thoughts together. It doesn't always work. Sometimes
it does. Some shows are better than others. I don't know.
I don't really have like a master plan, but I
would say most shows are kind of I don't want
to say, written out like word for word, but kind

(41:42):
of write the main topics. I just it just helps
me to handwrite some thoughts down and then anything like
I usually get up. It depends. Like this morning, I
got up really early because I had to take the
dog to the haircut, So I was at the gym
by like six forty five, and by you know, the
time you get home, it's picked up. The dog's have
some coffee, shower. It's like I have the whole day

(42:03):
to attack. Sometimes if I I get up at like
six thirty seven, I'll just go make coffee and come
right to the office and kind of just figure out
what some ideas I want to talk about, and then
go to the gym at like nine ten o'clock and
that kind of gets my mind rolling. So it's just
every day is a little different. The off season is

(42:24):
where you make your money. I mean in seasons, I
don't want to say easy, but like right now, especially
these couple weeks before the draft, there's not gonna be
much going on, so it's probably a little more creatively
inspiring slash difficult. I guess I'm looking for twenty twenty

(42:46):
six NFL Draft prospects, and I don't see any stars
at quarterback. Aler is basically Hackenberg two point zero, Arch
Manning is gonna stay at Texas for a couple more years.
Collective nil oil money Club, Nika Small Nico at Tennessee
is two skinny. I don't see any quarterbacks that will
become starters right away, as they all feel like backups.
Do you think teams looking for a future quarterback are

(43:08):
in trouble. Does this make veterans like Cousins more valuable? Well,
if you think everyone sucks in college, I'm not saying you,
which you kind of do, but like if you're an
NFL team, and you always have to also look ahead,
so you have to have a pretty good idea. And
clearly things changed during a season. But hey, we like
three or four of these quarterback prospects. It was like

(43:30):
two years ago there was a lot of buzz on
Drake may On obviously, Caleb On, JJ McCarthy, and then
guys like bow Knicks, Bo Nicks not as much, well
a little bit. I mean, he had a good season's
first year to Oregon. Michael Pennix. We're just intriguing prospects,
so you kind of look. I think Club Knicks, Club

(43:51):
Knicks kind of intriguing. I don't know as measurables. I
think Arch is a major wild card. He could be
a star, who knows, I mean, but he also might
not be. Niko's got a long way to go before
we can talk about him getting drafted high. But things change.
I mean, we've talked about this a lot. Is at
this time going into their senior years, no one would
have talked about Baker Mayfield or Joe Burrow as the

(44:13):
number one overall pick not a soul, and Baker wasn't
a no brainer, but Joe Burrow sure was. So I
think the powerful part about a season is like you
control your own destiny. You ball out, you dominate like Nico.
What if Nico wins the Heisman next year. I'm not
saying you will, but if he kind of finally lives

(44:36):
up to that ability, he could be a top five pick.
Cam Ward is a good exam. He's gonna go number
one overall. He went back to school because they're like, yeah,
you'd probably be like a third or fourth round pick.
So things changed so much. You're on the right names.
But it's hard to say for certain. I'm with you

(44:59):
on o archeck. I think it would be shocking unless
he Texas goes like fifteen to Oh, they don't lose
a game, he wins the Heisman. Maybe he just comes
out he's the number one overall pick. But the other guys, yeah,
major question marks. Who knows. But it can go good too,
like it can go bad, it can go good. Thing
with Kirk Cuzins he's thirty seven, he makes a lot
of money, and he doesn't look like he's planning that well,

(45:19):
so I guess it gives him some leverage. But ultimately,
if Kirk Cousins your quarterback, do you feel great about
it right now? In twenty twenty five, you felt good
about it three or four years ago. I don't know
if you feel great about it now. I just think
things change so dramatically that it's hard to know what
a future draft will look like. I think it's really
really difficult. You know, if I would have told you

(45:42):
last year at this time that this five eight running
back from Boise State is gonna be most people think
a top ten pick, you thought it was nuts. Well,
he's about to run for like twenty five hundred yards.
You would have thought Travis Hunter would be a top
pick for sure, But think about some of the other guys.
You just never know. I don't understand why teams in

(46:02):
the draft would take the same position or near the
same position as their star players, Like the Browns that
already have Miles Garrett, why would they draft Carter? Or
the Giants that just drafted neighbors but they're thinking about
taking a Hunter. Can you make this make sense? With
such important picks. Why wouldn't you pick a serious need

(46:23):
because the old adage is draft the best player. When
you take need, it just brings in more potential risk
because sometimes the need right doesn't equal the board. So
why would you take Travis Hunter. If you're the Giants
and you just took the league neighbors, Well, he's by

(46:46):
far the best player on your board, for example, and
you go, well, he could also play corner. We need
a corner. And if you are the Cleveland Browns, like,
we don't love any of these quarterbacks that pick two.
And if we take out Dual Carter, we think he's
a star pass rusher. And in a couple of years
we'll move on for Miles Garrett and he will be

(47:08):
our Miles Garrett, and for a couple of years we
will have them both together, so we'll have arguably the
best defensive player in the league to go with one
of the young up and coming stars. A position of
strength can turn into a position of need with one
broken ankle, so things can change really fast. Most teams

(47:29):
aren't like three four deep, so having an extra player
at a position beside quarterback makes a lot of sense.
So I don't think teams look at it quite like that.
Now when the need like I need a left tackle,
there's a star left tackle there. It's an easy pick.
But this isn't a good draft, So like, what should
the Giant? Who should the Giants take? Assuming they don't

(47:50):
take a quarterback, just take the best player on the board.
Figure it out later. If every team needs to spend
at least ninety percent of the salary cap over a
four year your average per the salary cap floor rule,
where do the media slash former players get off by
saying teams like the Bengals don't spend money. I absolutely

(48:11):
have no issue with it, as I'm a Bears fan
and we just paid our way to possibly having a
winning team next year. But just curious because it seems
like everybody is within ten percent each of each other
in terms of spending. At the end of the day, Well,
I think there's a big difference. And listen, I mean
the players, especially former players, are always going to complain

(48:34):
the teams aren't spending enough. I mean, that's the money
that they're trying to get. Which I've said this before,
but it's really kind of crystallized this offseason. Is like
they're in a partnership, a fifty to fifty agreement. You
know some of you listening and I am as well.
You're in partnerships, right. Most of our partnerships lay out
pretty If you're in a fifty to fifty or thirty

(48:55):
seventy or whatever, a dollar comes in, you split it
like that. The players who are in this partnership are
you know, obligated to their percentage, yet they have to
fight for their cut and the teams dictate. I mean,
it's a pretty incredible business. Like we have to pay
these players, but we get to pick and choose who

(49:15):
we want to pay, and we're gonna make you a
bag for it. It's kind of crazy when you think
about it. But you know, the Bengals are a good example,
and we hit on this a couple of weeks ago.
They just paid their two wide receivers, but they didn't
manipulate the salary cap. Both those two guys, if you combine,
their salary cap number in twenty twenty five is dramatically

(49:37):
higher combined than guys last year. Justin Jefferson, Ceedee, Lamb,
Brandon Ayuk. Their cap numbers that first year was really low.
Because you can pro rate it over the life of
a deal. Hell, the Eagles in the forty nine ers
just make up void years just to spread out the
signing bonus. The Bengals didn't do that because it actually

(49:58):
manipulates their cap, so they don't actually have that much room.
And you can give huge cash bonuses as quote unquote
signing bonuses and manipulate a contract. That's not necessarily what
the Bengals are doing. So they're cheap relative to Jeffrey Lurry, right,
or some of these owners that are spending a lot

(50:21):
of their actual cash last year, Jed York, the haslums,
they spend a lot of cash, but people would say
the Bengals don't. Now do they have it or not
relative to those guys. No, Mike Brown does not have.
Jimmy has some money, or even at this point in time,
Jeffrey Lury money not even close. But he also avoids

(50:41):
those situations as much as possible. So these are first
class super rich guy problems. But they're just cheaper than
other teams. You know, the Crafts get knocked on this. Yeah,
the salary cap. Again, the salary cap is just money
that's given through the partnership of the league, so that
much he's getting handed to you. Whether you have a

(51:01):
good bad team, make money or don't make money, and
all the teams do. But in terms of that's the
media money that pays for your salary cap, because the
media's check is if the salary CAP's two hundred and
fifty million dollars, the media money's like four hundred and
twenty five million. So it's impossible to lose money on
your players. And again you are obligated to give them
the money. They just have to beg and fight for

(51:23):
it with their agents. But I think there's some validity
to it. But I'm with you. I think stuff goes overboard.
But that's just kind of the world we live in.

(51:46):
Huge fan of the show. The Titans take cam Ward
it won, The Cowboys trade Dak Prescott to the Browns
for the number two pick and takes you to or Sanders.
The Giants select Travis hundred and three boost our underrated defense,
and the Eagles trade aj Brown a first round pick
and maybe more to the Patriots for number four and
draft Abduall Carter. Vrabel would love to get Brown back,
which would be huge for Drake May's development in New England.

(52:08):
The Browns likely had to promise Miles Garrett they were
going to make a move, and getting a proven quarterback
like Dak makes sense with their win now mindset. The
Giants secure in elite corner, making the defense even stronger.
The Eagles, already dominated in the trenches at a game
changing outside pass rusher to pair with Jalen Carter and
Jordan Davis, making them even scarier. The big question or

(52:30):
whether the Browns take on Dak's contract, if the Cowboys
truly trust Shador Sanders, and if the Eagles value Abdull Carter.
This is the well thought out a lot of moves there.
There was a rumor within the last I don't know,
a couple weeks from somebody I'd never heard of them,
but it made its round out there on the interweb

(52:51):
about Dak Prescott to the Browns for number two. I
don't know the exact details that he said. I would
imagine if it was number to Dak Prescott. I don't
even know who knows. It's pretty complicated because they just
paid Dak Prescott a ton of money. I don't know
why you would trade the number two pick for Dak

(53:12):
Prescott given that there are a lot of question marks
with actually how good he is. He doesn't have a
great arm. He plays in a dome, you play in
a cold not a great environment for weak arm quarterbacks.
It's really windy there in Cleveland. You play in an
outdoor division in Pittsburgh, in Baltimore, it's really cold. I

(53:35):
don't think I would do that now, if you were
Jerry again complicated, I think it would destroy their cap.
I think you would think about it. From a marketing standpoint,
the chances that should Dore Sanders is better than Dak
based on just history, how often quarterbacks that are drafted
are better than a guy that's been a really good

(53:56):
player for a long time. Now, we can nitpick him
obviously as flaws. Obviously he's not top five quarterback, but
he's a really good starter, im proven, like over and over,
you can win double digit games with him as your
starting quarterback. There is no guarantee Shot or Sanders can
do that. So from a marketing buzz, it'd be incredible,
But then you actually got to play the games, So
I don't know. I don't think I would do that

(54:16):
if I was the Browns lifelong Chiefs fan, help the
miles fall off Trucking America appreciate you. My question is
as Kelsey clearly ages and Noah Gray seems to not
be not be a solution. Should the Chiefs trade for
Kyle Pitts. I'm sure a six round pick would pass.

(54:39):
I do think the Chiefs are gonna be interested in doing, Like,
how are they going to acquire talent? Right? They are
drafting at the end of these rounds every single year,
so it's harder to get flyers. It's why they have
taken trying to think in recent memory. Have they done
that recently? Obviously they made the big raid with Tyreek Hill,

(55:02):
but they trade for someone else. I don't know why
my mind's not working. I feel like he had a
pretty good year last year, not really had forty seven catches.
I think he's is he going into his fifth year option?
I don't know. I would probably do it for a
fifth or sixth for you hear them, but I'm pretty

(55:24):
sure it's a contract. Isn't small? Uh, Kyle Pitts contract?
Say this about Google? Yeah, I think is pretty Legit
comes right up. So Kyle Pitts is scheduled to make
ten point eight million dollars, that'd be an expensive tight
end room because Kelsey makes a lot and then you're
paying Pits ten point eight. I don't think financially it works.

(55:47):
If he was making like you did last year. I mean,
he was drafted, so he's made a lot of money.
Kyle Pitts after the Kyle Pitts for a guy that
it is not gone great is doing pretty well financially.
I mean he originally signed a thirty two million dollar
contract and then next year's fifth year option is another

(56:09):
ten so he's gonna make He's gonna make like forty
plus million dollars in five years. Listen, it sucks getting
drafted high to bad teams if you're a good player
and that team stays bad. But financially there's a big
difference to go in top five and like pick twenty,
big difference. Okay, last question, bucks fan, here, long question

(56:32):
for you. Why does everyone feel the need to dump
on the NFC South For the past ten years? The
Falcons went to the Super Bowl with the MVP, the
Panthers went to the Super Bowl with the MVP. The
Bucks won the Super Bowl. The Saints were successful during
an era with multiple Playoff appearances, and if it wasn't
for that PI call against and the Minnesota miracle, they
would have went to a Super Bowl and the NFC

(56:54):
Championship Game. Why doesn't anyone dump on the AFC South,
which has done way less. How does a DI with
three teams that made the Super Bowl always get bashed
in the media more than the AFC South. Well, you
guys are much more relevant. Like you said, I mean,
the Panthers Cam Newton was just a major story for
a decade. The Matt Ryan Falcons is still talked about.

(57:18):
The twenty eight three game. The Saints were, I mean
a stalwart conversation in the NFL once Peyton got there
with Breeze and then killed the head the body will die,
the Suspensions, that second version of them with Dennis Allen
as the defensive coordinator, and the Bucks who were just good.

(57:41):
I just think you guys are way more relevant, Like
the AFC South is by far, by far the least
relevant division in the NFL. You know, the Colts post Peyton,
Manning and Andrew Luckelet's like, what are we talking about?
The Titans have just not bringing much to the table.

(58:02):
The Jags are really not bringing much the I mean,
the Jags are terrible. I think people underestimate how bad
their records have been. If you just go to the
Jags over the last let's just start in seven. I'm
just gonna read you win totals since seven, So starting
in eight, five, seven, eight, five, two, four, three, five, three,

(58:29):
seventeen out of nowhere ten. Then they go on a
great stretch here five six, one. Forgot that they went
one in fifteen. Holy shit, they were bad in twenty three,
nine and eight, nine and eight, and then last year
back to who they are four and thirteen. They're a
bad franchise. You could argue right now they're one of

(58:50):
the worst, if not the worst franchise in the NFL.
They're really bad. So I think it's that. So you
get the Colts, the Titans, the Jags. Why do I
always forget the other team? Oh, the Texans? I think
the Texans. It's like whenever I see should so and

(59:11):
so move to Austin, Texas? Like Texas doesn't need another team.
The Cowboys is enough, they don't even need Houston. But
Houston's such a big market in Houston solid. But I
do think Houston, even when they're solid the last couple
of years, they get overshadowed in that state by the Cowboys.
So it just shows you. I mean, I talk about
football for a living and I'm trying to like name

(59:32):
off the South teams and you just forget that there
is not that there's not another division. The AFC East
has had two good teams for twenty years, the Patriots
and now the Bills. Yet when you think the AFC East,
the Dolphins and the Jets consistently are suck. It's like
you just the Dolphins and the Jets. The AFC West,
same thing. It's like Chiefs have dominated that thing for

(59:54):
a while. The Raiders haven't been good the majority of
my adult life, and just the Raiders, you know, there's
always kind of doing something. Get I'm with you. The
AFC South, you guys take more shit. It's like, you know, what,
did did Reggie Jackson say? They don't boo nobody's You
guys are just a little more relevant, way more relevant

(01:00:15):
than that division. There's a reason Mike Tomlin gets talked
about a lot. He's a coach of the Steelers. If
Mike Tomlin was a seventeen year vet as the coach
of the Jags, it wouldn't be the same so it's
just like brands do kind of matter. They matter. I'm
more in Travis Matthews right now, more in Rainbow Sandals,

(01:00:36):
got a Stanley next to me. You know. It's like
the Steelers, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Packers. Then there's
the Jags, the Colts. I love Nashville, just got married there.
The Titans are like, feel like an afterthought in that
part of the country. You know what matters down there,
the SEC. So I hear you. You guys are also

(01:00:56):
in SEC country. But clearly your football teams have just
been We're just well run. I mean, think about the
difference of like Chris Ballard, I don't think they've made
the playoffs in seven eight years and the Jags we
just right off their wind total. They probably average over
the last fifty sixteen seventeen years five six wins a year.
I mean, you guys, the Falcons had Thomas Demetrov for

(01:01:18):
a long time, Julio Jones, Matt Ryan, cam Newton, Tom Brady,
the Bucks did suck before that, Drew Brees, Sean Payton.
So I you're one correct, good uh good DM audios
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