Club Shay Shay - Sheryl Underwood Part 2

Welcome back to Part 2 as Sheryl addresses the challenges Black talent faces in entertainment, from fair compensation to systemic barriers. She praises creators like Tyler Perry, Issa Rae, and Regina King for paving the way but acknowledges the ongoing struggle for equity. They discuss how Black culture, especially rap music, is undervalued despite its influence on mainstream media.

The conversation turns personal as Sheryl shares her experiences with respect, survival, and trauma. She opens up about painful moments, including sexual abuse, and the resilience these challenges have built in her. Sheryl stresses the importance of forgiveness, grace, and the healing power of family.

Sheryl discusses her views on love, relationships, and vulnerability, sharing what she desires in a partner and the societal expectations placed on successful women. She reflects on lessons learned from her Southern upbringing and the value of mutual respect in relationships.

With heartfelt anecdotes, Sheryl emphasizes the importance of mentorship, collaboration, and creating opportunities for the next generation of comedians. This episode is a masterclass in resilience, authenticity, and the art of making people laugh through life’s highs and lows.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for You're coming back. Part two is underway movies.
Is there a movie that you audition a role that
you auditioned for that you didn't get that you're like, damn?
Or is this something that you turned down that you
wish you hadn't?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
No, because I rarely auditioned, because I don't consider myself
an actor, Okay, I consider myself a personality who can
be taught the mechanism of acting, how to hit your mark,
stay in your light, memorize your lines, work on it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
And I like doing certain things. I would love to do.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
A sitcom and I have a couple that I'm developing.
I like doing movies. What I feel is I think
Kim Whitley is one of the greatest actresses, Evette Nicole Brown,
greatest actress, Tisha Campbell, all these great actors. Regina King
is not just a great actor, She's a great director

(00:52):
and a producer.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Issa Ray.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I have ideas that I want to work with everybody,
and all I want is a cameo, That's all I want.
I want to produce. I want to be able to
stand up at these award shows and give it up
for the show us.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
The winner is and I walk my blacks up and go.
She did it. She did it, she produced and she
did it.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
You turned down players club, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Okay, let me tell you what happened. I because I
was in sexual interpretive dance. They knew I had the skill,
and so they called me and they said, we want
you to consider this part.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
So I said, let me see the.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Entire script, not just the sides. The sides are the
pieces that you're gonna be. I said, I need to
see the whole script. Now I'm still not understanding. You
ain't supposed to be making demands when they try to
give you a job.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
That's why you ain't in no relationship. You'm over here
making demands.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I say to them, I need to read the
whole script. So I read the whole script, and then
the script it's the words of the character they want
me to play. They say, you're gonna do Junior's party
or something like that. Where Monica Calhoun, the girl that
was in the Best Man and the Best Man Holiday,
she is a passing away.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
She's More's chestnuts white. She plays it. Okay, this is
where she gets raped and beat up.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
But it's my words to say, or the character they
want me to play, so you're gonna do Junior's party.
So I called him and I said I cannot do it,
and they were like why not? And I told him why.
I said, I've been raped. I said I cannot do it,
and they were like, well, it's just a part. I said, no,
I'm not that good of an actor to step out
of my own trauma. I said, because I've been told

(02:29):
this girl ap read the rest of the script.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
My folk pages.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You about to get gaffled, right you about to give it?
Uh sEH right up.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I would have been like the line wouldn't have been
you're gonna do Junior. Part of line beach, don't do
Junior party.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I'm not that good of an actor not to
do that.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
And my heart is always.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Your heart is always in the right spot.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Absolutely, Like when I dialed into the call with the
Queens of Comedy, I I when I got the call
to ask me to come and dial into this for
a possible situation. I was so excited to work with
them because I felt like this would be an achievement

(03:14):
to show us all together.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So it was gonna be it was gonna be you
some morell gibbings U and I.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Think Lord Hayes right, because I think Monique had already
gone on to the things that she was gonna do individually.
And so I get the dial in information, and you know,
we do a lot of conference calls in organizations and
nonprofits and things like that, so I know the dial in,
but I think they're gonna put me in Q.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't think they're.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Gonna put me directly directly in. Yeah, directly in the
so'm I go directly in the call and I hear
words spoken about me. But I think God needed me
to hear it, need me to hear what my colleagues
felt about me.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I can't you know prior to that they felt
this well about you.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
No, or maybe I was too delusional. Maybe I would
still on the.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Hey, hey, let's get together and do a show.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Let's rent a barn and we do a show and
raise some money and get a cow for the cookout
or something.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I'm still thinking, oh, this is great.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
And I did not know some of the things that
I had heard and still hear about me. I think
ire misplaced. And so then I took the time in
my life to show people a better version of me.
I'm still strong willed. I'm still you talking to Nah,
We're in doing it. I still walk into a bookings

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and say did everybody get paid? Well, sure, we paid you.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Did everybody get paid? Until you pay everybody, you will
not be having a show. Right.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I'm still a leader.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
But in that case, I think God needed me to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And that's what I really wanted to say on CBS
that these women had achieved something, but they blessed me
with something.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
To learn more about me, to help me.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Get to see and learn how to be a better
me while I work with a team, and if I
hurt them, I want to ask them to forgive me
even now, because wouldn't it be great to see me
Adele Somemore, Monique Lord Hayes, all of us do a
movie together. And I have that script, and I put

(05:20):
my team together to write the script because I'm not
trying to pay it backwards or forwards or anything. I'm
trying to show if we come together, why is it
other racism? People can hate each other, but they'll come
together and there it is. Let's show solidarity and then
we all get paid.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Did they know you were on that call, did they
did they have any idea?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, they didn't know. They didn't know. What I did
was the person who invited me to get on the call.
I said, I don't. I don't think I'll be a
good fit. And that's when I started to learn it's
okay for you to back out of something, Cheryl and
just say, hey, maybe this is not going to be right.
Without I could have called everybody I heard you said

(06:02):
about me, but that's not gonna be good spiritually, and
I gotta face God one day, and I'm trying to
be a better me.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
But also I respected what they said.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And then I tried to talk to each one of
them and see them at award shows, at the hoodies,
or see them on shows and different things that we
were working on. I would try to be a better
version of me, whether they accepted it or not, because
I fear God more than I fear man. And these
are my colleagues and I love them, and no matter
what they feel about me, I'm not saying I love

(06:32):
you and I'm gonna be a sucker, but I do
want to have that type of power to be able
to say, and I've said it. I can't play this part,
but she can call her. And every time my agents,
my representatives say would you stop doing that? No, I
will continue to do that because if somebody opens the
door for me, I opened the door for someone else.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
So how did you have the con Did you ever
have a conversation with them individually where you're like, I
heard what you said. I don't know why you said it,
because I'm just Cheryl Underwood. I don't think I'm there,
so I don't think i'm that. I'm just being me.
Did you have an individual conversation one on one with
these individuals.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think it had grown so big with me being
on CBS, and I will accept of the few times
that I've stepped in it at the top. You know.
One time I stepped in it and I was working
on Steve Harvey Morning Show, and Steve allowed me to
apologize to our community for stepping in someone that I

(07:28):
was not savvy to understand, and I asked the community
to forgive me.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
It had got so big.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think they missed a part of it where I
was saying thank you, I appreciate what you've done. And
when it goes viral, you know, and when everybody all
that's what she did. Everybody's weighing in on it. It
would be difficult to have of that conversation, I would think,
But I worked in my career to have the ability

(07:56):
to want to put something together, not because I want
them to kiss the pinky ring. I want to show
you I respect your talent. I respect you, and I
also believe you ain't always got to like.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
About to work with them.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I agree, sometime you just get that work, get that money,
and let's keep working and keep making that money for
your family, mortgage, everything. We've got to figure out how
to put our differences aside to make great art that
makes great commerce.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You mentioned making money, and you're very savvy with your money.
You invest, you take care of your money. You mentioned
that the most important thing to you is to making
sure your disabled sister has twenty four hours care. And
when you started making money, sure, did you always have
this idea like, it's not how much money I make,
it's how much I keep. Have you always been this

(08:45):
business savvage? Have you always been like I gotta not
only make money, but I gotta keep it because I
got people counting on me.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Both My mamas was entrepreneurs.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
My mama, mama who raised me, had a drapery business
down in the basement, but she would come upstairs and
make sure.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That the post was rathering. My daddy had to play
the food.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
The middle piece of the comb, bread, the big piece
of the chicken. And that's what I watched, right, And
my dad entrepreneurial, so I knew I had to get
in some type of business structure.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
So you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
And then when my sister came to live with me
after my birth mother died, and my brothers, you know,
and my sister. I understand what they want to do
with their life. I understand it. But I've been up
under my sister since I was a baby. She's older
than me, and I didn't know she was disabled. I
thought she was just fun to be around. And I
still tell jokes about her. And if political correctness would

(09:38):
allow me to tell the jokes that they're written, I
would bring those jokes back. They're funny jokes, but you're
not supposed to use certain words. You're talking about the disabled, right,
But the word gives the joke. It's like English on
the ball when you're playing pool. The word gives the joke,
the spend the power right, So my sister. I knew
I was gonna take care of my sister. I knew

(09:59):
when I was a because I was already doing it.
I was a little bitty girl, I mean three, four, five,
six years old being with her. She was my playmate
and I was hers. This is the baby I was
supposed to have.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Did your mom or dad ever tell you that this
would be your responsibility if something were to happen to them,
that you would have to take up the role or
be the mother even though that's your sister. You now
you're the parent in the relationship because now you have
to provide. Did they ever tell you that or you
just knew that was your responsibility?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, I know my grandmother on my mother's side, was like,
you've got to do it because you're a girl, and
she's a girl, you know, and you know in our
families it's whoever's.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
The oldest take care.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
But my older brother was looking at this like, Okay,
I'm doing it, but I shouldn't be doing this. I'm
uncomfortable about this. I'm speaking for him. He's never told
me this, but he did come on to talk and
tell me.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
That he was proud of me.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Wow. And of the two people that's ever told me
that was proud of me, my father before he died
and my oldest brother.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But I was shaping my life for this.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I've been married once and the only reason I didn't
jump into a marriage. When people are like I marry me,
I'll take care of you and your sister, I said, Okay,
I understand this. If you touch I ken you. That's
as simple as that.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
You still want to get married, right, That's.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Just me and to me, the greatest joy in my
life was asking God open the doors for me.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Where does she go if something happens to me?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know? So? Yeah, I mean, my sister was my motivator.
And you know she can't ReadWrite a top, but she'd
be load. I'll been telling her little jokes and I'll
be like, you can understand morning, you gonn understand?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Or I make a drink. I turned my back. Now
my dream's gone. I'm a long gun. It's happened a
long gun, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
And she would clap and we would have fun together.
But that is what motivated me to succeed, even though
I was not You were pretty much deputized. You know,
I'm the girl. I'm gonna do it. And then I
started to enjoy it. I started to enjoy grocery shopping
and doing laundry, going to school and then rushing home
to take care of her.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I started to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
And what did it give me? A work ethic. I
have a strong work ethic. And my father. I remember
my dad going, are you sure? And I said, I'm sure.
He said, but what about your life? What about your family?
I said, she is my life, she is my family.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I can't I can't turn my back on her.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
You think that's the greatest. Like I was a kid
growing up and coming home and give my grandmother ten
dollars to give my grandmother twenty dollars. That started me
at a very young age. I'm a provider. My greatest
enjoyment if providing for my family. Now that's the only
thing that I think about when I wake up and
when I go to bed at night. Just let me
provide for my family.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Let me tell you something. My father would not take
money from me.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, he worked a good jobby chrome play the right,
but you know, everybody between tent so I would have
to dap him up. On my way out the door,
I had daddy, you know when I come back, I
come back to Chicago, we're gonna hang out.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And I dap him up.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
But one time when he figured out how much money
I was making. This was back when you remember the war
before a war on terrorism. There was a war on drugs. Yes,
and they were pulling us off planes because we was
mules or drug dealers and everything. And that's when they
was paying us cash. So I had the dope brick.
Had the dope brick of cash flew through Chicago. I said, Daddy,

(13:15):
I need a favor. He said what I said, I
need you to take this money and wire it back
to me. Now I never showed him what the money was. Now,
come on, now we both you know if you no
one know, my father looked like you as a shorter man. Okay.
So my daddy was like, I take my baby to
the bank. I run the bank. They know me, brother Underwood.
So we walked at the bank. What you need, miss Underwood.

(13:36):
My daughter needed me.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
To wire this money. Okay, show him the money. I
pull out the money.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
His eyes get wide, She takes the money.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Walks out the room. Bring us back some forms.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
My father go, where you get that money from? I said,
I worked for it. I worked for it. I show
him the contract. He reads the contract. He said, you
made all this money just doing forty five minutes of work.
I said, yes, sir, Yes, sir, I said, I'm telling
you the truth. He kept the deposit slip when he died.

(14:07):
The deposit slip was under the lace runner on the dress. Yes, sir, yes,
underneath it.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
He would look at it with.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
He was so proud.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's right. That's right. That's what this is about it, And.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's hard to get. You try to get your older
people to accept things. Because my grandmother, my sister, would
literally have to sneaker out the house yes for to
get a refrigerator, yes, or to get a washing dry
because she's like living. Let them boys enjoy their money,
but I enjoy it. Was to take care of her
when she gave up. She raised her nine and then
took my mom's three and raised them as her own.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And so that was me and my brother's responsibility. But
we called hell trying to get her things because he's like, no,
I don't need it.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I tell the story about my sister riding in the
passage seat of my convertible Bentley. I tell the story
in the show, and I can't tell him because I
gotta use certain words, and I don't want your little
show it get cancer.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You appreciate that, okay, if you love a little bit
of money I'm making.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
And if you come to my live show Mix and
Mingle Tour twenty twenty five, you come to show. If
I've been drinking enough, I will tell those jokes. But
I wanted to achieve something. I wanted her to have security.
I wanted her to have a roof over her head.
That is why I'm working hard now. There are people
that depend on me. The other acts depend on me.
Everybody that works with us depend on us to make

(15:29):
sure we do the right things so we can keep
making this money.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
You mentioned you told black people buy stocks instead of
a lot of the tickets every Friday.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
That's right, that's right. We need to see people say
I ain't gonna buy no stock. Stock too risky. Shut
up a nigga. You buy a lot of reticket every Friday?
Is the difference you investing in something. If you hit
the number, that's great, But what if you hit the
stock number. What if you like cryptocurrency, are you investing
in this crypto?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I can't. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's just I had an opportunity when it first came out.
I can show you the thing. A guy, a friend
of mine, I met him many many years ago. He said, Shannon,
I got this opportunity. I would say. He says, I
don't know if you know anything about crypto, but I
got an opportunity, and I'd be willing to sell. I'd
be willing to sell you. I think he said like
twenty five or fifty. And at the time the coins
was like probably like one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars.

(16:20):
So he said, I can sell you, you know, ten to
twenty and if you wanted more, it would take time,
but I could get you more because I know you.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
How long ago is this?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
This was twenty fifteen, Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Now listen to me, though, But you gotta hold it,
and you gotta remember how to get into it, because
if you lose the thing, to get into.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
It and see what this is what I and I love.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Mark Cuban. As matter of fact, I was talking to
Mark Cuban when I was working at KR and B
in Texas. I think that when you have disposable income
that you can speculate in cryptocurrency.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's great, but most people don't know and they think.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
You're gonna take one thousand dollars of cryptocurrency and make
a hundred million. That's not how this works. You got
to have money to lose.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Correct disposed You gotta have this. You gotta have even
when the stock market's like, Okay, I got money, and
that I can sit aside for five ten years and
I'm not gonna miss it. Absolutely, because if you don't.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Absolutely and what we need to do.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
When you see a black man running Beatrice Foods and
when you see a black man doing the things that
these black billionaires are doing, yes you can do that
if we come together. But if we don't have the
money to lose, don't play with people's money, right, it's
just light raising the sun. When they got that Isshir's
money and they supposed to get that liquor stone, they

(17:34):
go to mess them up the money. That's what it's about.
And you can't mess up people money because people need it.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Absolutely, Are you okay? Being the bread winning a relationship.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I'm not the bread winner and the relationship.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You mean any man I'm with.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, I'm not the bread winner and a relationship.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
But would you be okay if you were, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
There's no man I know from you or the the
He got a regular job.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
You work at a warehouse. He is the head of
the household.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
He is the bread winner.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I will chip in as he see fit because he's
the Now, this is the way I was raised. A
lot of women not gonna agree with me.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I ain't gonna ree with that.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I'm cool if you don't, but about to tear you up, Cheryl, tear.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Me up, because here's the thing. Even if I make
more money, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Make me the bread winner. Oh okay, it doesn't make
me the bread winner.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It makes me the baby. What you say you wanta do?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
What or what you want for Christmas?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
You want a pony?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Okay, nigga, I got you?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Sure? You know like what the bread winner? You know
he has Normally that person has the larger voice in
the relationship.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
He's a man, he's going to have. This is what
you got the money? No, this is what I believe.
I believe. I am advice and concurrence. He is the
head of the household. Now is how I believe the
word did not originate with me. He is the head
of households. People need to start reasoning Ephesians. That's probably

(19:01):
I may be strong willed, I may make money, but
I'm not the head of the household.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
But what I watch my mama, Mama who raised me,
and my daddy.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I've watched them talk on Saturday morning, and my brother
Chris will tell you this. I watch them talk on
Saturday morning, and they settle the differences and come out unified.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I am not the head of the house.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I may be an influencer, especially if this man has children,
right right, I want to make his life better and easier.
But I'm not the head of the household. Even if
I have access to more money. What happens If I
don't have access to more money and we gotta live
off his money, then we're gonna be eating peanut butter
and jelly sandwichs and fry blona because I love fried

(19:43):
blonia salwich and I like this a salami, fried salami
with the pepper corn delicious. But if we got to.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Live off of that, he is still the man in
the head of the household.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Women don't think like that no more.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well I think like that, and why the hell I'm
not married hebby and so. But that's what I believe it.
And I want a man young or old to see that.
In younger old, what you mean, I go from thirty
five to ninety five? Come on, wooddrobe.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Five five? How that your cat man?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Sure you ain't looking for no thirty five year.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Old young men talk to me.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I know, but you ain't want that pressure. You ain't
trying to get that pressure like that?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
What kind of pressure you talking about?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Back beat in on the rigs.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes to me, I know how to hold my own
I know how to rock. So let's go a little boy,
Come on and ate this cereal, rid this big wheel
and stop playing.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So what's to day? Obviously there's not any word that
you're gonna be able to go that people are not
going to know who you are.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's my voice, Yeah, it's really my voice when I
when I go through the drive through the order my popeyes,
it's thirty five negroes in the winter. I told you
why you.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Need all this shrimper chickens. I thought you was losing weight.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
So what's the dating scene like for Cheryl Underwood?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
How should I answer this employee at a millennium, I
would say, uh, I wish I wish that that, uh,
someone would appreciate what I bring to the table, and
I wish that.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't mind a man who has children. I don't
mind a man who.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Has lesson Yeah, because you ain't having none.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So yeah, can my transmission been drops?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm out if I'm pregnant every three wives but the
dog because it's crisman. Listen. I think the dating saying.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well, first, I don't go out a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I work a lot, and when I'm at home, I'm
happy to be home. I have people, a person situation okay,
but you know you never know, you know? Ling along?
But die you must you. I mean to ask, how
is the dating scene? You have to ask the men

(22:04):
because I mean, I will approach a man, but I
like to be approached.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I like, would you I grew up when you?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Would you?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Would you like to dance?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Would you like to go to the movies or something?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm looking for that.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm looking no light rejection.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I'm not gonna reject you.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
If you mad enough to walk across the room and
walk through three of my best girlfriends and go, hello, Cheryl.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
My name is Rodney Jenkinson.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I don't know why I picked ye. No light to
be rejected.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
You're not gonna be rejected.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, there's the possibility you might.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
No, Okay, go ahead, let's play the role action.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Ask now, ask now?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Do you want to go for a Hamburger or something?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Saying okay, this, this is how we're doing. Okay, my name,
I know.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Let's all I got to do is take these muscle relaxes,
go to the Hamburger place, get to Hamburgers. To me,
it's all the popping.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
My name is Saddy Chip.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I don't know why you even think you need to
tell me you're not I'm already taking my clothes. I've
even gotten the cars nacking.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
On the curve.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Why would you would you do online? Day? Would you
all like I am?

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm on like E Harmony, reah and all that.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
But I don't think people believe it's me. I don't
think people believe me. And as matter of fact, I'm
about to cancel all of that. I'm about to cancel
all of that. Listen, I I if you are coming
to the mix and mingle tour and would like to
date me, just walk up to me, because I think
men believe already have someone, you know, and you.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Kind of do.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
What you know. I don't know. I thought I walked
in here by my damn no, but who I got? Well,
let me just say this. I think that people think
that we all have it together stand up comedy or
really in your career, feel too. It's the loneliest thing

(24:00):
in the world because you're talking to the world, but
you go home alone and then you got to hope
that the person is there for long jevity, you know.
So I mean, yes, I would like for a man
that's in my vicinity to say, stop looking, you found
you found it. That's right, that's right. And I don't

(24:22):
care about age, and I don't care about things that
you would think if you want to date me, like
I said, I take a fry bolognay Sam. If you say, well,
what we're gonna do on the first day, You're gonna
fry some bologna, get some nice good bread. It don't
have to be name brand bread and good muster you
know French is you know good muster with the crush
around the bologna. That's a date for me. That's a

(24:44):
date we could sit in the car and listen to
music all night.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Oh so you ain't got well it, You ain't got
to worry gonna be the high and didy place and
spend five six hundred dollars on the first day.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
If if he after we did some reasonably priced things
and we're a couple, wanted to go to those places,
I would.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Want to open the door.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
But that ain't got to be the first date.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
No, no, no, And I wouldn't want a man to
break the bank trying to impress me, because you can't
do it every day.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
That's why I tell a man don't start out buying flower.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I leave with money.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
If you if you ain't got it now, if you
got it, you ain't got to do it either, keep it.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I need you to keep it.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
What if I need If you spending all your money
trying to get someone, and when I asked you eight,
nigg let me hold five hundred, I.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Ain't got it.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I ain't got it because you spent it all on
me where you could have saved the money.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And I've been here all week.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's got to mix a mingle to.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Get me on all social media. Yes, that is me
trying to learn social media.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Have you seen the Davy show pop the ballue?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
What and then you popped the balloon if you don't
like it?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, I think that's interesting TV content. I just don't
think that's real life. Okay, you ain't poping on balloon
on me just because you don't like my toes.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
So what you got out of City five? Right here?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's a bunyan that's a corn and a bunyance.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
How you a dressed or something like that?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah? I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Have we gotten to superficial.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I think we're no more superficial than we we've been
because some people men like what they see women here,
that's right. But when you get to social media, that's
when you have a problem.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
And when you let other people get in your ear.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah see that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Any man walking with me unnear me. I don't give
what the world is talking about. You're my man.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I love you. I want you to look good, smell good.
I believe in the smell good.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah that's me. Well, I'm gonna get me one day.
Listen I'm gonna get me a young one. Then say, hey,
charl say thirty five, thirty five.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I like. I like the smell of a man. You
know what really turned me on is I don't went
to bed early because I like to go to bed early.
Because I get up early in the morning and my
man come in smelling like club tobacco and brown liquor.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's snuggle up on me like that. I'm like, listen,
you're gonna be laying.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
For church.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
For church.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I like I like a man. I like a man
to be.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
No matter what your age, you must be the man.
You must be the man. Sure, say thirty five to sixty,
thirty five, ninety five, I goes ninety five.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I'm a young tenderoni to a ninety five woodrow woodrow.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Maliki.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I'm a matter of fact, we gonna have double
scooters drop around being in a casino playing and it's lot.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I'm ready. You was in World War two, you can
get it. If he was a tuskega aramine, you.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Get a check, let me take you something.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Let the old dude take that by.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
You gonna get worn out like a thirty five year.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Remarks and listen.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'll be like, look, look at Woodrow, look at Rufus.
You did you were up here listening to Johnny Taylor
as Sam and Dave.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What about marriage? You open to get married?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I believe in it.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't like to have sex on the first day,
but I mean, I can't.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Get caught slipping.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I'd be like, hey, let me.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Take my shoes off first. But you know, I prefer
to be married. I prefer to be married, and I
don't like sex on the first day.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I mean if you if if you don't get married,
would you consider would that be a no?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
No? I mean yes, hell noka.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
No man worth his manhood in his backbone put a
key in anything I own and walk in like he
run it or he owned it.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
You're not a man. That's that's not that's not how
to go.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I want you to live in your own separate house
and I live in my own separate house until you
make a decision that I'm worthy to be your wife. Right.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Have you ever had a key to a man's house?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Hell? No, that's your sh I'm like that.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
See people laugh at me because I say I ain't
never had a key to a woman's house.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
This to me. I want you to live. You can
live right next door.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I don't care, you.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Know, I just want to be We be monogamous toward
each other because I want to be able to trust
you and you trust me. You know you you can't
have no key.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
To my thof you know, anybody come over there and
see something.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
You don't see everything.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I got out the bathtob fast enough. You don't see
it all.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
You see all of this, and I done lost one
hundred almost one hundred and ten pounds, thank you, doctor Zuri.
More you need to interview my doctor on how I
got healthy and lost the way. Health and wellness is
a big thing for me. But no, I can't shack
with no man. I don't. I don't want to shack
with no man. And especially if you have children, I
don't want to show. And then you got daughters.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, oh hell no, I'm not gonna show your daughter
how to be horse. I'm not doing it. Oh man,
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
See that? See that? Now you're looking at it different.
Now you'll be like, I should have married this. How
many years ago? Was it?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Thirty two?

Speaker 3 (30:12):
See?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We could have been growing our empty we could have
been crypto currency down. We're selling it brober Hi, I'm
selling underwood. And when I want to turn up, I
drink dish right here. Matter of fact, I put this
in pecan pie.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You could see. Jeff Bezos is getting married hen His
wedding is estimated cost five hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I could do it for the lolo process of fifteen
hundred include. But I give it up for old girl
doog uh. I give it up for hot She really
helped him. Now if she could just help him in
the political space. You see what I'm saying, do something
more with that money? Right other people? And that's why

(31:01):
that's the other reason why my tour is called the
mix and Mingle tour.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
We've got to find out.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Why would have the country vote in a way that
may cost them things in the long run.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
And they really they're voting against their best own best.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Dangeries, absolutely absolutely, just because of some other issue. See
that's the next time we get together, talk about politics,
talk about the world events and things like that. But
if she can influence him to say, you have all
this money, what good are you gonna do with it?
And I want to shout out the CEO of Costco.
You know the CEOs that are standing up in sale.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
We're going to keep that, Yes, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
And you know who else I want to shout out
the young brother that's running Red Lobster.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Now you talking to me about dating?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I would love to do an unscripted show where I
go on dates and the only place we go on
is Red Lobster. Every city a man want to go
to real live. As long as you're not allergic to seafood,
let's go hit.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
All these red life I'm a seafood.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Oh well, damn, you.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Can't go there. You know you can get a chattter biscuit.
That's all you can eat. That's all you could eat.
But I want to help a helpless young brother really
grow a Red Lobster.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yes, I heard you say women shouldn't get divorced because
of cheating, especially if the man has money. Why do
you say that? You know women women? They told you up? Cherl.
Did you tell me they told you up?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
My tiger Wood Joe. I would have never divorced tager Woods.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I do't giving how many perkins and that would unattractive waitress. Yes, sorry,
not that I don't love the pie. I'm just saying
the girls, why would you divorce him? You grew this dude,
you making him the man that he became. Why would
you let another take what you grew? And you got
to learn how to forgive because I'm sure as women

(32:43):
we've done something.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
He may or may not know about. And now you mad?
Is he cheating all the time?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And you knew he was a dog when you met him,
and you thought you're what's going to change him? That's
not change a man, you don't, But a blow job
will make a man reconsider his position. What, okay?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
So listen, I just don't believe in divorce. I don't.
I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well, I mean until they say death dar part. You
took that you.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
First death do as part? You can't be whooping my ass.
But I'm not divorcing you now. If you whooping my ass,
I got to call somebody over and handle this. You know,
three four dudes out with prom Night or my brothers,
some street dudes, you know, Kelo and them. I give
you fifty dollars and and lump him up.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
But for me, I just I believe you should always
forgive as long as he hasn't crossed the line that
you can't come back from. But you need to tell
him that here are my deal breakers, and then ask
him what are your deal breakers?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
And as long as we can come together and go.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I was wrong because a lot of women will hold
to pus the hostage.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, and then the man go out, Well, you wouldn't
give me no ane, So I went out and got it. Well,
why didn't you just talk to me about Well, why
are you mad at me that you're in something that
might that's right, that's that's the right. And if you
can talk to a man and get a man to
trust you. See, women have other women to talk to
to get it out of them. Men don't have another
man to talk. You can't go to your boys and

(34:14):
go I don't know what sir, ass up. You know
you can't do that, right. So if your woman cannot
forgive you, and she's gonna want to be forgiven by God,
as long as it doesn't cross the line.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Whooping, Okay, Yeah, you got to go.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
But you knew he was crazy when you met him,
or ass whipper when you're you know, my deal breaker
is you can't lose all our retirement money because I
can't make this money back. I got pension, I got everything.
I worked too hard for this. You know my sisters
depending on me. You got some get rich quick scheme,
you lose all our money. That's a that's a deal
breakup for me. But I will tell a man the truth.
We ain't mixing money like that because so.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, you get mad. Yes, he has an account. You
have an account, and y'all have a joint account.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
That's right there. It is right there.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
We have an account, and I put it in there
that Now, what if this got growing hands and he
in that cryptocurtesy and not we been asked, But he
don't tell me. He's just pitching off that money and
growing it and growing it. And then I'll be like,
this got a fifteen hundred credits card.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Didn't know it existed? Baby, I love you. That's see.
That's you want your man to be able to do.
What do you believe in? What are your dreams?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
How can I help you become whatever you want to be?
That's what I want to do in any relationship.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Sr. Lee Ralph. They've been married over twenty years yup,
and they haven't lived together.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
It works, That's what I'm looking forul.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
When I first read this, I was like, ain't no
way this can be true.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
You know she over there, she go see him, he
go see her. They go tighten up like Archie bailing
the dress. That's right, I'm old, and that's what happens.
Sometimes some people can live together. Some people cannot. But
that doesn't mean they don't love each other, and that
doesn't mean they're not monogamous.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
If I can't if I say, well, I need to
see you because I can't trust what you're doing. If
you can't trust me to go to the grocery store,
you damn sure can't trust me anywhere else at night.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
All cheating don't occur at night?

Speaker 1 (36:21):
True?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Am I right?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
You're right?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
But if I love you and you love me, and
we respect each other, and I know cheating will break
your heart, I.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Won't do it.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Now. I have done some stuff that's questionable because men
don't like like and me and you as dating and
we broke up.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I couldn't get with who's.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Your best friend?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Bucket and burns?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, bucket and burns. Yeah, I like have this do dirte?
Not that I would do high five white if remade
now that. But if I was messing with one of

(37:07):
your friends after you and I got together, it's only
meant to hurt you.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, am I right?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's not cool to do? You know I would tell
you every man I know I can still talk to
them and be friends. It may not. I don't like
to look back. I ain't turned into a pillow salt
because you if I feel you don't want me. If
I feel I'm not that girl, even if I put
in work, I can feel it that I'm not her.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I'm not her.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So I'm gonna let you go and live, y'all.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yes, right, that's right. But I would never hurt you
so hard to get with your friends.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Now. I do have a joke that I tell, but
you gotta come to the mix and mingle to a
twenty twenty five to hear that joke, or how I
would hurt your feelings if you hurt me really bad?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You see, like the women like sleeping with robots, now,
shall is that? I mean? Come on, what's going on?
What's really going on?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well? I have had some you know, battery operated things,
and you know something, you know something that I put
a you know a lawnmower, gas lawnmower engine on it,
you know. But yeah, you have room, Charles, but you know,

(38:15):
and you don't really need a robot. There's two fangers
doing for you. I love you, you love me, We
love you, what little baby. But I I like the
intimacy of the talking and the us in the kitchen
and you know, you making the chili or whatever you feel.

(38:35):
You can put turkey in.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
The chili is let me taste it. I like all
of that. Or I like watching TV together.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Y'all sitting on the cow you.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Know, yes, yes, yeah, I'm not gonna talk too much
to you. It depends like if you're watching the game.
I don't like talk to a man when he watching TV.
I'm gonna slide on you what you're thinking about. I'm
not doing that usually punch in the chain, I'm not
doing it. I'm not doing all of that. But if
I get doesn't mean I'm mad at you. It just
means I'm thinking right.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And I'm really a quiet person and I need my
alone time.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
We could be in the house. I'll be in the bedroom,
you be in a living room. But then when it
comes time for us to meet up together, let's meet up,
meet up together? Man, what is it?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
How many more cars?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You? God? Damn?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Can I go?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Peek? No, I'm just you can. I'm good.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
That was a joke.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
You got it? Did you? Did you actually have an
escort service? Yes?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I did.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You let me go one of my first companies because
I was going to when I got to l A,
I was going to events by myself and uh, you know,
you go to get a ticket to the Grammys, you know.
Or I went to the last Tyson fight in Memphis
by myself.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oh Landy's Lewis Yep.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I was gonna take my dad, and my dad passed.
But I I like companionship.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I like to share.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I like to turn around and go, oh my god,
did you see this? Or you know, uh, going to
super you know, to be able to go, oh my god,
did you see that past? Did you see this interception?
Did you see? You know?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
All the places that I'm afforded to go. It's great.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Just like Mahogany, success is nothing without someone you love
to share it with. Billy Williams was right, and I
want somebody to share that with, so to be able
to go somewhere with somebody, It just brings you close together.
So I wanted to hire men that would study the
woman and go with her to an event. The reason

(40:28):
I had to stop the company was because some women
felt that if they pay more than a thousand dollars
for this, they should be able to sleep with them.
And isn't that pandering, pipping, procurement? Is that the three
p's and that? So I couldn't do that. I couldn't
do it to her, and I didn't want it to
be done to him. I wanted a man. But if

(40:48):
you want it, you can't. You can't get it through
my corporation, because that makes me. That's right, leg I
believe in pimp and pip and pipping, but I don't
believe in breaking the lot. You get what you get
what I'm saying, because we might bring the dancers back.
We might audition a team of dancers and bring that
show back. And that helped me double quadruple my money

(41:10):
when I added a mail exotic and we call it
sexual interpretive dance. You know, But I may bring that
show back because I do believe that women should let
off steam, and I believe that men.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Should be able to go and enjoy themselves.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
You don't want to be with this girl. You just
smoking cigars, drinking liquor, and she's naked. That's what it is.
I would want my man to go and have fun
with his boys, even if that means they fishing, or
they're gambling, or if they go to the strip club.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Because now, what are you hot.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
And ready for me? Come on home, Come on home,
and let me take that where she'd have got you ready?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Do you ever sit back and wish as you've gone
on this journey and you've been so successful, sure, do
you wish you had someone by your side to share
it with?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Absolutely? I wish usband had lived.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I wish my husband had not taken his own life.
But there's nothing I can do about that. I only
can accept God's will. I had a whole plan for
our lives, you know, and I've dated some really great,
great men, and I don't believe there's anything wrong with me.

(42:21):
I believe that it might not have been the right time.
But what I've wanted to have a husband that would
have gone through all of this with me. Absolutely, so
I can turn to him and go, baby, we did it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
When your husband took his life. Did you do any
self reflection? Did you like what was going on? What side?
What did I miss? Was it me? Was it something
that I didn't know about he was dealing with? Did
you ever ask yourself those questions?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Absolutely? I mean I got on my knees.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I started to bargain with God, and I and I
had you know how you sleep, but your eyes are open, a.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Little cracked over, and you could I could hear the radio.
I can hear, and something said to me, he's gone.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
And then the phone rang, and then I got a
call and uh, you know I was in the military,
you know, so I was in the reserve.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I was a Medican in the reserve. And I know
what that phone call is.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
They don't tell you what's happened because they need you
to get to the hospital. So they want me to
get to the hospital. And as soon as they told me,
I fell out, you know, like they're doing. I fell
out and everything. And but before that I knew he
was gone because I believe that the Lord sent me
the message. And I got on my knees and I

(43:35):
started to ask God. I started to bargain with God,
and then I caught myself and I was ashamed that
I did. You cannot bargain with God. His will be done,
and that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You always say to our father's prayse used to let
that will be done.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I will be done. I had to accept it. And
then for me, I was asking myself what maybe. But
in getting therapy and one of my good charroty sisters,
doctor Benny Reims, a mentor of mine Zeta Phi Beta,
she I was going to therapist, but sometimes you gotta

(44:08):
find the right therapist to go to. And she she's
a family therapist, and she was helping me navigate this
situation and let me know when a person is in
a depressive state. And that's why mental help of men,
especially black men, very important, because they're taught to keep
their feelings inside. Just town.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Nobody right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
And so he would either be here and then down here,
he'd be up here and then he go down into
the valley of death.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
And there was nothing I could do about it. But
I was young, young married woman. I wanted to be married.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I wanted to be in these clubs, making this money,
working on my master's degree, being in the reserve, doing
everything that we were building together, and I love a
wounded bird. I love a man who needs me and
I need him, and we gonna grow together.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
But I think, as my daddy say, don't why me?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Why not you? So you you believe heartache and tragedy
not supposed to come to your door both it comes
to everybody else. Dope, you better learn, son, how to
get yourself together. And it taught me I don't have
the power of life or death over anybody. Only God
has that power. Right. But I did think about how
can I be better? And in every relationship I've ever had,

(45:22):
I look back at myself and go, how can you
be better? So when he comes, when the groom that
God is sending me comes, I will be ready. Damn
this deeper.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Say, hey, you've been in La all this time. You
been to the Hollywood parties.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I've been to a few parties.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Well, first of all, I don't partake because sometimes I
forget the lotion my whole body. You can't get bucking naked. No,
they're passing by, they're passing by. But I've seen a
few things. I've thrown a couple of parties myself.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Huh, yes, how you have part of that invite? Me
party two years. Who man, you no longer than me.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You break out that big ass and you break that
Louisville slug up in Heim, you break that Savannah salt
bone up in Hill. The party is over you the
bus I like a soon as you pull that out,
all the business getting in the car. I'm not doing that.

(46:38):
But I thrown a couple of consensual I don't go
to the freaking freaky stuff. Uh huh. It used to
be a movie called blue It was a blue collar
but y'all fed Codo, Richard Pryor and Harvey Cottel. They
were I think they were car workers or something, and
they had a little freak party. I was throwing something

(46:58):
similar to that wherebody consented, okay, but was nobody being
filmed and it wasn't coerced or anything like that. But
I'm not the greatest. I don't do things where people
can see, you know, do private for that, absolutely absolutely,
And I tell people what you see, ain't what happened.
Don't tell nobody, or you're not gonna get invited to

(47:19):
the next that's it.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
What What are your thoughts on women using their body
to ascend in the industry.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I feel if that's what gets you there. Okay, I
mean a little sex appeal. I understand that. But if
you are sleeping to get to the top, you must
continue to sleep to get to the top. That means
you have to leave the dude that got you there
and go to the dude that's gonna take you even higher.
And people say with Cheryl, have you ever been a proposition? Yeah,

(47:51):
but it doesn't work out because I mean, I've been asked,
if you do this, you can go on the road
with me. If you do this, I'll give you this
part in this movie. If you do this or do this,
and I've told men, okay, how about we renegotiating. Now,
that's where I'm up right there? Am I? Right?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah already he already told you what
what the deal was.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Okay, I think I should give a counter proposal. Okay,
if you that's a I'm a business person, Okay, if
you tell me I'm doing this first of all, If
I'm sleeping with you to advance my career or go
on the world, why am I. If I'm supposed to
be your lady, I'm retired. I am now your woman.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I am now here to.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Meet every need you need now get out there and
make more money. And because I'm here when you get back,
I got food cooked, I got clothes from drakling. I
got everything you need. If that's the offer, but that
ain't really the true offer.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
You just want to see if I'm down now if you.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Want to high let me? How let me? Now? I
have told some men, really big time men, Hey, you
want to do this? Won't you wait until we're equals?
We could, and it's unequal. How about we wait until
we're equals and make love a team?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Now what you want?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And most men back down because I ain't no gum.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I ain't no gum. Either you want it forever or
you don't want it at all.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
So you think you're gonna get some of this, and
I'm supposed to fall for the okie dote, but you're
gonna grow my career and I'm still doing taverns? How stupid?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Do I look that? I done gave.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
You some ass for that, because now you don't have
nothing to bargain with.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right am I?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, you don't get it, that's right?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
What does he need now? So that's why the answer is,
let's renegotiate.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Uh, Toaraji and Monique, that's like, look, we're some innegal
play and field. We don't get the compensation that the
fair compensation that we deserve, and uh, we need the
industry to take her u a reboot and look at this. Yes,
what are your thoughts on that one.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I'm proud that Tyler Perry and others, the Carl Weber's,
the Dave Talberts, everybody that's out there producer, even the
Sisters the Easter are races. Everybody that's out there making content.
I'm gonna say it again, Regina King, I think is
a genius. It's the financing that you have to get.

(50:18):
And because the system doesn't seem to be set up
to appreciate our audience.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
And what we do.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
It seems like that they think when it's about black people,
it's only for us, and white people are voyeuristic or
other racist people are voyeuristic and looking at us from
the outside in.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
If that's the case, then why it is rap so powerful?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
If it's just us. I believe that we as talent
should be paid equal to anybody, right, but I also
understand that the system seems to want to low ball
the situation and Unfortunately, our people think that when you're

(51:02):
in the entertainment business you are wealthy beyond measure.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
The job may be few and far between.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I I am no longer on the talk Talk went
off the air middle of December, almost in of December.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I am back on the road.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
That's why m we mixing in mingling in twenty twenty five,
so I can pay continue to pay my bills even
though I'm saving money for retirement. Here's the catch of this.
I understand what Taraji's saying, what Monique is saying. And
I even spoke to Monique Uh about this, and people say, well,
why you didn't support, Why you didn't support I. I

(51:37):
don't believe if my voice cannot help the situation, I
will not say something that would allow my voice to
be used against the situation. You know what I'm saying, R.
But we all could be paid uh more money. But
I understand who I am Uh to the industry. You
see what I'm saying, and and no, everything's not gonna

(51:59):
be fair. But if we look at this as a
commerce and numbers game, they cannot do anything without us.
If we decide one day we're gonna sit down and
you figure this out. If every football player sat down,
basketball player sat down and maybe said, if the basketball
players sat down and said, until you paid the w
NBA a little bit more money or a lot more money,

(52:22):
we're not gonna play, right. You gotta have some leverage,
am I correct?

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yes, you gotta have. You gotta have something to bargain
if you want to borrogs.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Absolutely, And I think when you're making content, we already
know when they make content for themselves, a white man
will probably always get paid more money because there are
people that still believe, well, the white man is the
head of the household and he's got to take care
of the wife and the children. Well, I'm the head
of the household until I get married, and even if

(52:51):
I do have a husband, I should be paid fairly.
And that I think that's all Monique and and Taraji
was saying, I think I know I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
How do you negotiating when do you just like, okay
the chunter versus okay, I pushed you much, I might
lose this deal. How do you walk that fine line?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
My intuition is rarely off.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I know what my number is that I think I
should get, but I also do a lot of research.
I have inside people. I'll call around what is so
and so getting? What is so and so getting? I
remember Sherry Shepherd helping me when I got the job
at the top. But I also understand I'm not gonna
overplay my hands, right. I always tell my represents, my lawyer,

(53:41):
do not negotiate this deal away, negotiate a win A
w I N I want the job. I will take
this amount of money so I can grow it. When
I came to the Talking season two, I ask to God,
show me favor. Lord, let me stay here as long
as I can so I can build. And I was

(54:02):
there till the last episode. So sometimes, like my daddy said,
you got to live low to get high. Sometimes you
take less money, but you get longevity if you can
stand it. If you can stand it.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
But sometimes you can't stand it, or sometimes it's unfair.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Then you gotta have an ally. I call it the
fairy godmother or the fairy godfather. It's somebody that's.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Gonna come in.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
No, no, no, no, no, we're not gonna pay that. What
is that craft service money? What it was that?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
We're not gonna do that. You gotta have somebody on
your side that will go in and say no, this
is what we're going to do. Somebody put their thumb
on the scale.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
You mentioned earlier that you lost over one hundred pounds.
You took we gov that.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah, I'm on we goov right now. Started on sex cender.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Now I'm on we govy we caly injected to help
suppress appetite instead of getting gasic bypass surgery. What has
that done for you? Cheryl?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I believe that the medication changes your impulses, reward impulses,
also anxiety impulses.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
As you notice, I'm calmer than I've ever been.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
You are since we've known each other all these years.
Because I can be arrested, I can rembum. But I
thank God for having a black doctor, doctor Zory Maround.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
I'm not saying nothing against my white doctor.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Doctor Copin is an amazing doctor over atsea to sign
on and and.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
He's he's gotten me this far.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
But I will tell you to be able to uh
handle weight and stress and and and uh high blood
pressure and pre diabetes and things like that. Now. I
enjoy walking, I enjoy drinking water, I enjoy eating vegetables
and everything. I enjoy it with everything else that I

(55:44):
enjoy in life because I believe when the Bible say
everything God made was good, I enjoy that. And you
get to a certain age and comedy on the road
is a is a rough life. It's a great life,
but you're gonna eat in fast food places, a certain place,
you're gonna laid, you're gonna sleep in, and things like that.
I enjoy being able to exercise and do the things

(56:06):
I want to do it, and I want to do
it as a lifestyle change. The ejection got me to
where I need to go, and I'll probably stay on
this for the rest of my life. The studies that
I've read seem to suggest that you stay on it
for the rest of your life. And I'd love to
testify before Congress and be a representative of one of
these companies so that we need to lower the price
of these medications. When you get them overseas, they're about

(56:28):
two thirds cheaper than what they are here in the
United States. The other thing is, if you get me healthier,
I can pay you more insurance premium when you want
that more than an amputation, Because maybe that's what the
doctor thinks is the thing that he needs to do.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
A lot of doctors don't believe.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
In the medications, right, Oh, you could just exercise what
some people need assistance, and I want to be the
example of that.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
To show this works. It just needs to be cheaper.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
If I wasn't living the life that I love living,
I wouldn't be able to pay for it. And now
that's why I got to keep working so I can
keep paying for it. But I love how I look,
I love how I feel, and I want other people
to be able to get these medications.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
You mentioned your show The Talk. I mean you're on
what fifteen seasons?

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I came season two.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Fourteen fourteen seasons and you see all these other Jennifer
Huston has one La Fantastic left hers.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Sherry Shepard? Did you ever?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Did you ever want to be on a daytime talk show?
Do you ever think it was possible?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
You mean when I was getting a phone call? I
mean before I got this job.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, before you got the job? Did you really?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
What happened? I was working a club in New York
call Caroline Okay, and Sherry Shepherd was on the View,
so I came to see her do the View. We've
been friends for years and she Reba McIntyre was the guest,
and I love Revama country.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I love country music. You know, go ahead, Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
You know. So Reva Macatize was a guest.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I was, you know, I like you.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
She was like, ooh, this some touching. But see I
love Reaba Macatie, love all the songs. So I hear
Sherry leaning over. Cherry introduces me to the audience, and everybody,
the people that know me clap and Sherry leans.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Over to Joy Bahar and go.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
You know, you should get Cheryl Underwood to do your
comedy corner and whoopee Co signs it. And I go
on the show and I do some political humor and
just tear it apart, and they invite me back and
I do it again. I never thought someone like me
could even do it, you know, or be afforded to

(58:41):
do it, and to watch Lonnie Love, you know, out
there doing it. Comedy is a great female comedy is
a great sorority. I'm a Zeta in the Black Sorority,
the NPA ces right, the four sorotis aka Delta Semi,
Gammerou and Zeta Phi Beta. But to be a female
comic things so when one of us succeeds, all of

(59:02):
us succeeds. So for me to get that job, the
pride in my colleagues' face, male and female.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
The hugging Mike Epps comes on the show.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
We hugging George Lopez, all of us are hugging Kevin Hart.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
We're all hugging each other.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
If I could have got more people on, I would
have right but to be able to do it. If
God could put all of this together in six days
and rest on the seventh, he can open doors for
all of us.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
And I'm just proud to be there.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
And I'm probably the only person that's hosted the Daytime
Emmy's five times. I love Daytime TV. I'd love to
have my own talk show. So the podcast would be
like a talk show, and I'd be able to talk
and relax language and interview everybody.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I want to. Okay, Ken, we're doing the Los Angeles
because I don't, you know, I don't like to drive.
I can't drive good.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I can't drive.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I drive all right, I'm driving day I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah, Well, I'm sure, don't we do it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I'm sure that probably probably you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Heard them here, boys and girls. He said, wait a minute.
I didn't. I didn't ask the most important question, how
much do I get paid for this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Well, I mean to probably be a partnership. So you
know they ain't gonna be a home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You don't want to be a partnership in love?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
How are you gonna be a partnership of the podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
This sounds like some bush This is c your expertise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Oh so we're gonna make it. We're gonna make a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah no, yeah, we're gonna produce it and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
But under yr Yeah, how much is the percentage of
the podcast and how much is the partnership?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
What I mean, it's gonna probably have to be. I mean,
we all got to put something up, so we do
fifty fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
That don't sound right, don't find I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
In charge of production. Yeah, I got to eat. I
mean I gotta have producers, we gotta have graphics, we
gotta have editors, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You're gonna get all of that back. Yes, I think
your percentage should be lower.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I think my when we make.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Money because I'm I'm funded up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
For the risk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Okay, so okay, this is how it sounds. Boys and girls,
So you're gonna assume the risk yes, you're gonna assume
the risk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yes, but you don't believe it's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yes, I believe it to like you get sixty forty
sixty yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
You must have me with some other sixty five?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Are you going out to get sponsored?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
That's like that's like I'm gonta say something really sexual.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
That's like we and you kid me forty Where do
we do that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Well, let me ask your question. Are you going out
to get the advertising sponsors?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I can sit with you, I can sit with you integration?
Are we going to get integration? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Tell yeah, I'm right right by your side.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Now what you on that now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Sixty forty No.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
No, I go maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Fifty two forty eight?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Maybe, Charyl what I'm assuming the risk. I'm the one
that's got the camera crew. I got I got the people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
That is why we are not together. This that you
don't know how to take a good offer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
You your shit is a business.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Now you try to swindle me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Oho swindle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I'm trying to get the best deal possible our future.
Would you want to have forty eight percent of an
empire with success? It is sixty percent of nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
But on the show, I mean, obviously, I think you
had a very very good relationship with Julie Chen and
it was very open because she revealed that she has
added plastic surgery. She had had a cosmetic procedure to
make her eyes look more American. Yes, and I mean
obviously that was revealing. I'm sure her community weren't very
happy about that, just like any community when you have

(01:02:40):
procedures done that's not that tries to remove you from
said community. People are not gonna be happy about that.
So what what what brought about that? Why was that?
Obviously that was something that you guys had talked about when.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I first got to the talk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Remember it's my first consistent tea TV show job and
it was daytime TV. Julie and I had a connection,
a chemistry. She was the moderator, and she would tee
up the joke, you know, she would tee it up
for me and I would either look at her like
I got it, I'm about to hit it out the park,

(01:03:19):
you know, or I don't. I don't think I got
something bigger than what was what was going to be
said or what has already been said. When Aisha Tyler came.
Because by the time I was there. Aisha Tyler was audition.
I knew is Isha Tyler. Aisha and I worked together
in Montreal Comedy Fest Scrolls. A genius, the great actor,

(01:03:39):
great director, and a great comic. So I asked God,
she was like, well, put in a good word for me.
I said, girl, don't run another but my mouth in here.
And I touched her hand and I bowed my head
and I started to pray, and I asked God, put
us together so that the world can see two different
types of female comedians, but two black funny women. And
we were doing this, these jokes. This is how good

(01:03:59):
of them moderators. Julie was that she let us go
back and forth with these jokes and we were doing
how who was poor than who? You know, comedians like
Battery Jones and everything. So I used to said that
she was so poor that they didn't have shoes for
their feet. I said, bitch, we were so poor, we
didn't even have feet. We just walked on bloody thumbs,

(01:04:21):
bones and blood just scrating out everywhere. So everybody was
laughing so hard because they had never seen that kind
of organic chemistry. And I will say this sitting beside
every woman and man that's been on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
That show taught me something to the good. I miss everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I love everybody, but the Dream Team five Julie, Chen Moonves,
Aisha Tyler, Sharon Osbourne, and Sarah Gilbert. Sarah Gilbert who
created this show. It was the greatest experience of my
life working with a team of women who were at
the top of their game. And I loved Julie. Julie
was teeing up jokes for me, but also we were

(01:04:59):
teeing up great conversation. We were teeing up things in
the news. Donald Sterling member the coach, was the Sandusky,
the Penn State holiday. So we were teeing up those
types of things on a show that people saying, we
don't do politics. You don't have to do politics. People
don't want you to argue politics, but they do want
to be enlightened, entertained, empowered and laugh in the show.

(01:05:21):
And that's what we did and I think that's why
we won Emmy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
But you did have a public fallout. I had obviously
had a public, very public fallout. Yeah, my co host
in that moment. Was it what she said or was
it who said it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I I will say my start of it I remember
talking to Peer Morgan and I remember talking to them
and trying to get them to understand are the community's
feelings about Megan Marco her mother, Megan Marker mother live
in Windsor Hills. Now this is just maybe a joke,

(01:05:59):
but live in Windsor Hills and now she's in Windsor Palace.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Right with Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
They obviously love each other. They done had a black
wedding pastor a black pastor black choir.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
You know, Charles over there looking, you know, Camilla need
to get her face together because they're in love with
each other. If the Queen like it, then everybody love it. Right,
But you can't speak against Megan and disregard what she's
feeling as a black woman, isolated, stress, pregnant, having a
baby or whatever. We were not gonna take that lightly,

(01:06:33):
So you might want to back off of this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
And I think that's where it's them from.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
And I tried to say it off the air, and
I said that a couple of times to Peers on
the air, you know, to get off of her, right,
you know what I'm saying. So we love her, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
And she's got her happily ever after.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
She's married to Prince Harry get off of her, and
I think there was a I don't know what would
you say it was?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
What would you say for what you saw?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I think the thing is is that when you mentioned
when you're like, if I tell you something off air,
don't try to don't try to bring it back, because
I think in the situation like this, she thought you
were gonna take a different approach publicly as an opposed
you took privately.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Well, here's the thing. I will say this in production, yes,
just like you have your questions on your car. Yes, right,
if you're producing a show, everybody's talking about what's gonna
be said and what the response will be. Correct, right,
So if you're talking about what's gonna be said and
what the response will be, then and then if it

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does turn into a if it takes an off ramp,
I call it an off rap. So you could be
talking about something that you already talked about, but then
it takes an off ramp. It's not like you didn't
know what was going right or you didn't know it
was gonna be said. I think and for people to say,
do you do you talk to Sharon? Do you still

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care about you don't sit next to somebody for ten
years and don't have a feeling for her and her family,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
But I will tell you from what some people saw.
I equate this to OJ Simpson.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Two different communities see two different things, right, two different
community see two different things. I still get trolled to
this day in that situation. But I believe that when
I stepped in it earlier, I believe that God said, Servant,
something bigger is coming, and it's going to happen. I
need you to be prepared for what's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
You know, me shining.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You know if somebody's yelling at me. You know, I'm
not crying because you hurt me. I'm crying because I
can't say what I want to say. Just like when
somebody told you, there you go, What would you have
wanted to do?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Oh Shad, I wouldn't have had to show. I wouldn't
be on ESPN, I wouldn't have anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Because God was preparing you. Yes, you will face this option,
go somewhere else. And that's why you see me sit
there and when I hear when she's yelling, what are
you gonna do? What you're gonna do? And I turned
to the camera, go we're gonna go break, We'll be
right back. That let the world know she's ready.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
To be here. But also, I represent every black woman
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
We cannot be seen as the angry black woman because
now you're messing up somebody else's job somewhere else. Right,
But I was prepared for that. I didn't do anything wrong.
Matter of fact, I'm trying to articulate this in a
in a different way. Right, what would you say to
people who think that, But if an explosion occurs, what

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would have been the best thing to do?

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Come back and hug it out after commercial? Am I right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
That would have been daytime gold, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
See, that takes two to have an altercation. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
It also reconcile.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Too, absolutely absolutely, And if reconcile on air, everybody kumbay
y'all moment. Right, But if you double down on it,
and if you type in right now, there are things
being said that I will not answer. Why one, I'm
not gonna go tip for tag and keep something going going.

(01:10:18):
I'm gonna go on to the greatness that God is
opening doors for all of us. If you don't look
inside yourself and get better. Right, But me sitting up
there arguing with my colleague who.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I care for.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
And then after that she makes a special and after
that she continues.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
To say things we recently say things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Come on, Cheryl, what you gonna keep doing? Because it's
like a man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I mean, look, my grandma used to say, boy stirring
up old poop, it's still stink.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
So that that was my thing. It wasn't. It wasn't
what he said. Yes, it was who said it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I've been sitting across from this man for six years.
I thought, look, are we best friends?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
But I thought we had the type of relationship that
were respectful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
There you got it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
You would give me a certain level of respect as
I've always given you. That's all I ask. I don't
ask anything more. I'm not saying you have to be
my best friend. That we don't have to hang out.
We ain't got to go to dinner. You ain't coming
to my house, I'm not going to yours. That's at
least we can be cordial, we could be respectful of
one another.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Sometimes you find out who you thought was your friend
is really your coworker.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yes, am I right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
And then you find out because we all gonna step
in it again. This is where talk show is. You
probably said stuff, I say stuff that the community is
mad about. But on those days where the community we
rode hard for you, we was on I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Wish I would yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
What I'm saying, and you held it together and so
did I type it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
They was on it nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
But I would afford somebody grace and forgiveness, just like
I would want grace and forgiveness to be afforded to me.
And I feel like the only thing is the trolling,
the people who you know, these thumb thugs, these people
on the internet are anonymous saying you this you that
I'd have been all kind of I don't then I

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kind of you this you that you don't even know me,
You don't know nothing about me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
But if that's what you want to do, you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
But I'm not giving you none. I'm not. You want
me to give you some cut me a check, I'll
sit a right across from it, and I'll give you
what you want. This will be Morton Downy Junior meets
Jerry Springer. We're gonna yell and act crazy and then
you and old Boy gonna come on and y'all gonna
do the next half hour and we're gonna make a fortune.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
That's a partnership right there, exactly, but makes you diition.
We won't get out here on this because I wanted.
I wanted to get to your upbringing. You had a
very rough upbringing. How did that upbringing shape the shirrel
that's sitting across from me right now?

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Survival?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Survival? You know, when you know, sexual molestation, sexual violence
at a young age.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Whether it a family friend, whether it a family member,
was it someone that you could we close.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You know, there's always people going in and through neighborhoods,
in and through households and everything. It does sexualize you.
And I wish people would understand that. Males and females,
it sexualized you. If you read the Bible, you know,
read song Asylomon. The body was made for procreation and
that goodness of that. The body understands that. But if

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you are not old enough and mature enough to handle it,
it changes you. Well, first thing I thought, being molested,
you know, the first thing I thought was I'm going
to protect my sister. So it was no longer about me,
It was about my sister. So I became violent. You

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wanna bring some, You're gonna get some, you know. So
I became a violent person, but I never mechanize that.
But I was always on protection mode. You know. When
I was raped, the first thing I thought was, you
need to survive this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
You need to survive. On my way to reserve duty,
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Out stationed out at o'hairfield early in the morning, and
I thought to myself, you need to survive so much
so that I was telling my rapists, don't take my ID.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
That is a government ID. Do you on some fed charges?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
So I'm thinking survive so he doesn't kill you, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
And I rarely talk about this, but my whole life
is about survival.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I will survive, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
It's a song. Oh no, not I I will survive.
I'm going to survive, that's right. I'm going to survive
this and every other obstacle put.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
In my path. I'm going to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
There's something God needs me to do here, and I'm
going to stay here to do it and be open
to His will even if I don't understand it. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
So that's that's my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
And I wanted to people say, well, Why is your
act so sexual? Because I wanted my sexuality back from
those who took it. I'm going to be what I
feel I can be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
I'm a hell of a kisser, hell of a kisser.
Listen to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
But if I had let this overtake me and I collapsed,
I would never be able to express attraction.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
For a man that I love.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Let me ask you this. You had a too. I
don't know if people know this. You had a twin sister.
She didn't make it. You kept her birth certificate. I
don't know if you still.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Having the feet ye, the left feet under it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Yeah, you kept that. And I read that your mom
lied to you about what really happened to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Absolutely who you been talking to in my family?

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I'm he talks of it, said my family.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Cause when you obviously, when you found out that what
was being said, do you want it true? How did
that make you feel about your mom?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
I wanted my mother's love more than anything, and that's
probably why I'm so attracted to wounded birds or something
like that, because I wanted my mother's love.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
But it was the pain of my father.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Telling me I didn't do that, telling me the truth
is what made me closer to my father because I
was determined to go and find out his side. You know,
my birth mother stabbed my father and I witnessed it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I wanted to find out, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
What is it? They were young? You know, I loved
my mother, but God sent me another mother, my mama.
That's how much the Lord loved me to send me
motherly love. Right. But it was my father that was
going through pain as a young man that nobody understood
what he was doing until he died. I really didn't

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know how old my father was because at that time period,
you know, black men carried himself much much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Older, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And when I saw the tombstone, I says, your dates
are wrong. They said, no, your father this age. And
then I put the numbers together.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
My father was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
A young man. A young man so to be able
to talk to my father and go tell me the
truth what happened, and he tell me the truth, and
we hugged and we got.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
To know each other and we were strong together.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
If you can fix it while they're alive, fix it,
fix it, give grace and forgiveness, and that's what he
gave to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Do a party. You feel that your parents didn't protect
you from this abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I think that my father thought that a little girl
should be living with her mother until he was hearing
continuously what was going on with me, and he asked
me to forgive him. And I looked at life and
I was like, I understood why you couldn't take me,
you know what I mean? No matter how bad I
wanted you to take me, I would say, well, I

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will tell you a couple of time. My brother's whipped
that ass, my older brothers. Listen, my brothers wasn't no punk,
you know, listen. I love my family members because they
protected me as much as they could.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
And some people they call you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Fast or you know, something like that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I will, I will tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I love my family.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
They didn't do everything right, and neither did I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
You know that's the only one you got that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I got a great family. I got great memories.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
And if my mother was alive to see how much
of her is within me, I would have wanted her to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
I can hear her, you know, I can see her.
I'm looking at pictures. This is my mother's face too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Your mother never got a chance to see this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Chirl no, no, no, she died before it could happen,
and she saw the work up to it. But having
a strange relationship with your mother, that's your origin. So
you're searching for that now. So any man getting with
me understands what I'm searching for, you know. But my father,
my father always had my back always and would tell

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me you can do it. Your brain, that's right, made
by the same brain that made Bill Gates or all
these other famous billionaires.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
God made your brain and their brain. So I have
a great life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I don't want nobody to feel pity or sadness for me,
but I do want them to understand who I am
and why I am the way I am.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Get you out here on this As a person that's
dealt with childhood trauma, what would you tell someone that's
going through something similar? And what would a you tell
yourself having overcome that one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Put the butcher knife down once she killed, once she killed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Listen to me, Listen to me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
And I will tell you this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I live, I live a great life and educate as
an educated woman. But I'm still closer to the streets
because when I was raped, street dudes said, if I
find him, I'm gonna kill him, I said, do not
kill on my behalf.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I appreciate why you didn't want that on you. Why
do you didn't want that on your conscience?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
I didn't want that blood on my hands.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
But I knew if they found him, they was gonna
kill him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
And that's what he said to me. If I find him,
I'm gonna kill him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
But that you want that, that's dashing in our community.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
You want a group of black men to go search?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yeah? Yeah, but vengeance of mind, said the Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
But I'm not the Lord, and I sometimes I got
that taste in my mouth for vengeance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
But you gotta control that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
But I thank street dudes for always coming to my rescue,
always having my back, you know. So to me, I
lived a great life. I've had angels around me that
I didn't even know. So what would I tell myself?
Put the butcher knife down so you can survive. You're
not gonna survive in jail if you do it. Where

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will your sister go? What will your family think? Don't
disrespect the Underwood name? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
What's next for Cheryl Underwood?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Sky's The Limit podcast seventy five twenty five splits.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
How anything you want to promote.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
The Mix and Mingle Tour. I'm on Instagram. What is Instagram? Facebook?
I just got on TikTok we the other little snapchat.
I'm on X. I'm on ex by way at Twitter.
I think I got more followers over there, but I'm
learning at all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
So follow me. It's s H E R Y L.
And the last name is Underwood. Follow me on all
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
I got a great tours, the Mix and Mingle Tour.
Please come to see us. Buy these tickets because this
is how I finance everything. Kyle Irbie, Mike Washington, and
there's something at the end for the fellas. And I
got a sports in this there that I'm definitely gonna
need your help on. Young boys as young as three
years old as old at eighteen will study lacrosse, baseball, tennis, golf,

(01:22:21):
and soccer and other sports. So if they listen, Jim
Brown was the greatest lacrosse playp He told me this
on a plane ride. He was the greatest lacrosse player
who couldn't make money in lacrosse. What if we get
our kids into lacrosse and then they can go into
other sports where I want to finance that more.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
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Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
All my life on and all my life sacrifice that's
to pay the price.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Want to slice?

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Got the brothers?

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Why all my life I've been grinding all my life,
all my life running all my life. Sacrifice that's to
pay the price and want to slice. Go to brother
all my life I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
H assassas