The Sessions - George Stroumboulopoulos

Another legend from the Great White North joins us as George Stroumboupoulos hits The Sessions and … is Renee actually nervous? The Canadian media legend clues Renee in on his remarkable career journey, why he prioritizes creativity over all else and the best interview he’s ever had. Plus, he praises Trish Stratus and Sami Zayn, as any son of Canada should.

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(01:29):
the Sessions. I am so freaking excited for this episode.
He is somebody who has been like tippy top of
my wish list of guests for this podcast. George Strombalopolis.
So if you don't know, if you're from Canada, you
know him. Of course you know him. We all grew
up knowing loving George. He's basically been our north star

(01:51):
in terms of what's cool, what we need to know,
you know, whether it's something happening politics wise, if it's music,
if it's arts, if it's culture whatever. He was and
remains to be the guy I first started watching him
on Much Music in Canada, which is our MTV. He
was always the like, the like grungy punk dude. He

(02:13):
was the cool guy. He was the guy that you
wanted to be friends with. You was the guy that
you knew knew more about what was cool than you did.
So to watch his career for Much Music, moving on
to working for CBC, to have the hour, the Strombo Show,
all of the many different platforms that he's had, The
interviews that this man has conducted, from David Bowie to

(02:35):
Dolly Parton, to politicians to world leaders, to Kermit and
Miss Piggy, I mean, you rattle them all off. And
George has interviewed the who's who, which made me very
nervous for this interview. How do you prep to interview
somebody who has interviewed some of the greatest of all
time and he does his interviews with such care and

(02:56):
thoughtfulness put into into those interviews, so I really wanted
to do the same for him. I really feel like
it filled my cup up to talk to George, to
have this conversation with him and just pick his brain
about who he is as a person, and you know
the things that he's done throughout his career. It really
pumped me up. It's so nice to have those little

(03:17):
like gut check ins sometimes, and that's what this conversation
was for me. So without further ado, let's get into
a guys. This is George strom Balopolis. Guys, I am
so beyond excited for this George st Strombo joining me

(03:39):
here on the sessions. Dare I say, I've never been
this nervous. You are like without just blowing smoke up
your ass to start the interview. You're like the goat interviewers.
So it's hard to prep for the guy that does
the interview because I feel like maybe you're gonna cross
analyze me or like, really that's what you wanted to
ask me. Well, you're very kind of safe that you

(04:00):
were kind to say all those nice words off the top.
Thank you. But the secret to a good interview is
to be present and to listen and to actually care
about the person you're sitting across from. And so I
am in that same place being interviewed by you, so
this will be lovely. Where are you right now? What's
going on in your world? I'm in Los Angeles right now.
I do a daily show for Apple Music, so I'm
I spend my mornings early having East coast time zone

(04:23):
meetings living in a West coast. And then I tried
to do as much as I can before I have
to head to the studio and clear my brain and
just go have fun and play music. So that's and
do interviews. So that's where I am right now, la
getting ready for a new show. Did it take you
a while to adjust to that, like your internal clock
being on East Coast time to then going to Pacific
Coast time and feeling like you were missing out on

(04:45):
things during the day. You've had to accommodate for that. Yeah.
Luckily for me, I am always running at the same pace,
so I feel like people have to adjust to the
fact that I don't need to slow down. You know,
that's one of the great challenge. You know, your greatest
strength is your greatest weakness in many respects, right and
mine definitely that My pace is relentless. My pace has

(05:09):
never stopped since I was I think I got into
the workforce when I was eleven or twelve, and I've
been working at this pace pretty much the whole time.
Wait eleven to twelve. What was your first job? I
called it landscaping, but really all I was doing was
digging up weeds and roland lawns and I was unloading
dump trucks with limestone and filling and ditches. Then I

(05:30):
got a job driving a forklift at the airport in Toronto,
where I was the airplane containers I was a teenager,
then working at a movie theater. At this day, I
had two or three jobs pretty much from I think
fourteen fifteen years old on, I've had more than more
than two or three things on the go since that.
And I'm that's thirty five years ago. What's with all

(05:50):
of the jobs. What is that hustle? What is the
need to like stay so busy and like business oriented?
I think I realized very early, and maybe it's because
the music I into and I grew up, you know,
in the home of immigrants, so I'm the first person
in my family, I believe, born in Canada, and I
grew up realizing that the government, the police, the judges,
the schools, the churches, none of these are on your side.

(06:13):
Everything you ever get to will be either through luck
in the grace of others, or share as gored down.
He said, you know, will in determination, And no one
told me that. I just saw it. I saw my mom,
a single mom raising a family, working her ass off,
and I'm like, man you. If you want to do this,
you've got to go. So that's been my whole life

(06:35):
and now I just like to make things. I don't
have a family, I don't have kids. I never wanted
any of that stuff, So I'm just like, why can
we go do today? That's explaining. It's funny having that
like that kind of like go get her attitude, because
I feel like I was always the same. I mean
not you know, I wasn't born to immigrants in Canada.
I didn't see like that side of it, but like
I the same thing. Actually one of my first jobs

(06:56):
was working for a garden center. I was working like
one of the old cash registers, like pruning the flowers.
I always just wanted to work. And the same thing
actually applied to my broadcasting career, where I was like
where can I go? What can I work in? And
we can get into all that stuff in terms of
like where to work in Canada and how limiting that
can be in certain respects, but yeah, having that hustle

(07:17):
all the time of like what's next? Where can I go?
It's a really funny, like fire to have in your belly.
How have you been able to maintain that for this
long and to keep that workpace up. To me, it's
not hustle, it's grind, and they're different, and that hustle
is often about getting something off somebody. Grind is just

(07:38):
about you and your experience and what you're doing. I've
always approached my life my career. I worked the way
I partied, which is a lot. I ride motorcycles, the
way I make shows, which is I am all in
all the time. I don't negotiate with myself like in
my own head. I mean, if extreme accountability, but I

(08:00):
don't really care about the end results. So for me,
it was just the doing doing. Doing was the thing
that I valued the most. I was lucky enough to
listen to good music and watch good movies and read
good books when I was young, so that my foundation
prepared me for this. When things go well, if I
have a great career or I get fired from a
job public, I don't care like it's not about that,

(08:22):
It's about the doing of it. So I've been prepared,
I think by the art that I've consumed over my
life to be able to keep going, and I don't
really worry about any of the other stuff. It's grind,
though not hustle because grinding your creating space. I think
for other people where hustle is often about taking things
from people. Have you ever found yourself in precarious situations

(08:44):
or I guess having that lifestyle of being on the
motorcycles working all the time, Like, do you ever burn
yourself out or fall into like injuries or need to
like give yourself a little bit of a breather to
to refill your cup. One of my days, I was
doing the late night talk show. We would record around
five pm. I think it was the first or second

(09:05):
day of the new season, and I got on my motorcycle.
I had a chicks or seven fifty outside of Wayne
Gretzky's in Toronto, and I went too fast and I
crashed and I broke my calne and I had a
concussion and I ripped my leg and I was crumbled
underneath my motorcycle. And this gentleman who lived on the
street called Frosty, said, you better get out of here

(09:27):
before the cops come. Now. There was no reason for
me to get out before the cops come, because I
wasn't doing the wrong except for being stupid. And I
don't know why I listened to him, but he pulled
my busted up shoulder, pulled it out, put me on
my motorcycle, and sent me away. So I rode home
and I realized very I knew right away. I'm like,
I'm hurting, I'm in trouble. So I get myself to

(09:48):
the hospital. And this is where I'm the wrong guy
to listen to. Because I left the hospital, I got
wheeled to the front door, I got out of the wheelchair,
I got crutches, and I went to work. And I
didn't take any pain killers, not even tiling or aspirin,
because I thought a they would make me dopey on
the air. B I didn't want to get accustomed to

(10:11):
pain killers because I like to do things, so I
didn't want to get into pain killer life. I didn't
want to go back from that part of my life.
And also I thought the accident was one hundred percent
my fault and if I'm going to be stupid, I
should pay for it. But dude, I went on the
air and I did the show the entire time while
my bones healed. So the answer to your question is no.

(10:33):
But I don't actually think I did it the right way.
I think that I suffer today. From that choice, I
feel like my brain rewired in how gangster I was
about my career, and I think given another opportunity, I
would probably do it the same way, but I would
hope that I wouldn't. I don't miss shows, which is dumb.

(10:53):
I wish it wasn't like that. Well, why do you
not miss shows? Is that you feel like you're letting
people down? Is it that grind? What is it? I
feel like my responsibility is to make the gig, and
I know that that is part of toxic workplace mental
I know that, but I guess it's because I grew
up in a world where if you didn't make the gig,
you didn't get paid, you didn't feed your family. Now

(11:15):
I know that I've passed beyond that stage of my life,
but it's just my old school wiring and conditioning. So
now I'm very Now I'm much different. I still work
like this. I work through being sick, and I work
through being hurt. I've had multiple motorcycle accidents and made
the gig. There was a time at Much Music where
I was on the air and what people couldn't see,
and I was doing much news. I was on the
air and what people couldn't see was behind me. The

(11:37):
producer Catherine had her hand on my back, holding me
up because I couldn't use my left leg and so
she was holding me up and no one would know
because we shot, you know, just framing me. So I
just always came from that mentality. And now what I
do is if I feel like something's not right, I
make sure that I prioritize what needs to be done. Well,

(11:58):
I can't shirk this responsibility, but what I can do
is cut everything else out of my day to heal.
I don't care about what I want. I only care
about what I need in that moment. I've changed my
whole life in that respect, where I'm like, Okay, i
have to make the show, but I'm not feeling one
hundred percent or my back is broken or something. Well,
here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to spend

(12:19):
sixteen hours in recovery and I'm going to spend three
hours doing the gig. Okay, So I may be going
into a different territory here, but because you are hardwired
that way you work, you work, you work. That is
the priority. You mentioned that you don't have a family,
It wasn't something that you wanted. Do those things go together?
Did you purposefully not make room for those things because

(12:41):
you have worked out the pace that you have. Yes,
it was very intentional. I don't think you can have
it all. I think you can have a lot of it. Not.
At the same time, I think that to do what
I did for a living the way I wanted to
do it, which was remain true to myself, like remain

(13:02):
true for better or for worse, it meant I didn't
want to have to make choices based on any other
input than what is the most truthful way I can be.
I remember talking to Mark Messier. This is just after
he retired. He got married, and I said to him,
it's interesting that you got married now, and you said yeah,

(13:22):
because when I was the captain of the team, had
I had a family, they wouldn't believe that winning was
the most important thing in my life. That kind of
comment creates a whole bunch of responses in a comment section,
and everybody thinks what's right or wrong, But the fact
is only you really know what works best for you.
I'm not Mark Messier, but any means I'm not that good.

(13:43):
But I absolutely set out to do this thing the
way I wanted to do it, the way I heard
Joe Strummer do it, or George Carlin do it, or
Chuck d do it, or Ice Tea deal it where
you kind of These are the people I grew up
really liking as a fourteen year fifteen year old, and
the way Patti Smith did it, and I thought, now
they had families, some of them, but from my life,

(14:04):
I'm like, no, I'm all in on this. So I
made a choice. Like a long time ago. Some of
the people always say, oh, you meet the right person.
I'm like, no, I've met the right person. I was
the wrong person. Is there one person that you think
was your right person? No, no, No, I've been I've
been so privileged to have dated some of the most
amazing women with the most amazing minds, the most amazing hearts.

(14:27):
I've been so grateful. I'm the man that I am
today because of these beautiful relationships I've had raised by
my mother and my sister and my grandmother. Like, I've
been around some really beautiful brains and hearts, and They've
been instrumental in raising me into the man that I became.
So they were all great. It was I was the issue, No,

(14:48):
but it is. You know. It's an interesting point though,
because I mean, you know, being married, having a daughter now,
and I wasn't that girl that was I was like, Oh,
I can't wait to get married, I can't wait to
have kids, Da dada, Like those things lined up and
it happened for me and it's the best. But I
see it even in like my husband, who has always
been a bit of like a lone wolf in his career.
He's always done his own thing. Professional wrestling has always

(15:09):
been his deal, and I have to remind myself of
those things as well in terms of like creating space
for the things that he needs to do to stay
on track, to stay focused, to do things he does
what I'm like, We've got these things to do, and
our kid needs this, and sometimes yeah, you just need
to like keep those dreams in the forefront. We have

(15:29):
this fire in us that has to be stoked, and
if you don't stoke it and maintain it, that fire
either dies out or gets out of control and tortures
everything around it. And I recognized in me at a
young age that I have this fire that burns and
that's as bad as it is good. So I had

(15:50):
to maintain it and I had to protect it. And
I realized to be a great father would mean I
couldn't create movies or stories the way that I want to.
So I was like, well, I have to make a choice.
Plus I just looked around and when I just do
what feels right, and I've never felt the need for it,

(16:13):
like never, I have no idea how you do that?
And this, like I have no idea how because the
thing that I do your head spin. It does make
your head spin. For sure. My relationship with sleep is
so tenuous at best that to give up another two
hours because something needs fuck that, I'm not doing that.
It's not really the sleep for me, because I can

(16:33):
function pretty well on a minimal amount of sleep. It's
more so keeping those creative juices flowing. What's next, what's
this other thing? Can I make this meeting? Can I
get to this part of town? It's yeah, it's kind
of making space for that creativity to still be able
to like flow through you. And I'm still kind of
juggling that. Luckily, I'm have jobs and I'm busy and
that keeps me focused with all those things. But yeah,

(16:55):
sometimes I'm like, oh, good human beings also are the
only animal that I'm aware of that can reinvent their experience.
They're the only animal that can decide it's going to
be something else. As great as spiders are, and they are,
I've never met one that started a band, but this

(17:18):
idea that one of the I think the true jewels
of the human experience is within a version of biology,
you can kind of do a lot of different things.
So I think hope is a monumental a monumental north

(17:39):
star to follow, and it hope is not a plan,
but it is important and you have to be able
to push yourself to do these things. Now, some people don't.
Some people actually their whole thing is they want to
build a community with the family and do that, and
that's great. Like I think you have to know what
your version is. And where I think people get themselves
into trouble in their lives is when the goal between

(18:00):
who they want to be and who they are is
too wide. I heard somebody say once the distance between
who you are and who you want to be is
the size of your unhappiness, and that really smoked me.
I went, wow, dude, that's something to like sit and
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gambler dot net in West Virginia. I want to go
back to something that you were talking about earlier, in
terms of growing up in Canada. You're you're working, you're
grinding away, you're figuring things out, but you were consuming
all of this art, the literature, the music, etc. Etc.

(20:30):
And that really put you on course to be who
you are today, to lay the foundation for all of
the things that you brought to us. To me, you
really were the guy that told us what was cool,
what we should know about, what were like the first
things that really stuck to you in terms of like
the literature and the art that you were consuming that
really made you want to hone in on all this.

(20:52):
It was all the scary stuff, right, It was all
the edgy stuff that I would have been too young
to have or should have seen, Like seeing Night of
the Living Dead when I was five or six years old,
Same age when I saw The Exorcist, same age when
I heard Alice Cooper. A couple of years later, I
heard The Misfits and the Rise of Slayer and Metallica,

(21:15):
the beginnings of Public Enemy. All the stuff that was
in the margins of the conversation were the things that
I was naturally drawn to. It's why it's why, you know, Renee,
I don't know how much free will we actually have
because I don't know why I chose all that stuff.
My mom my mother said to me, it was like
the lights went out of my eyes. You just were

(21:37):
drawn to all this really dark art. And I'm grateful
that I was drawn to that stuff because what it
did was teach me to be comfortable in being an outsider.
It taught me to be comfortable with questioning, not just
the answers, but questioning the questions that you get. And
I learned that when I was twelve years old, I
was working out a Mister Submarine. You know what, I

(21:59):
love Mister sub great milkshakes as well. It's hard to
explain to people just how amazing it was when you
had your first assorted and like people most people around
the world don't order assorted. You're having a cold cut trio?
You mean, yeah, exactly. And I remember walking with um
with my walkman that I had on listening to a
cassette with those foamy earphones. And this guy said to me,

(22:20):
what you're listening to? And I think I was listening
to I don't know if it was the Misfits or something,
or I don't know. And he said, why do you
like punk rock? And I said, you got a question
the answers and he goes, nah, man, fuck that question
the questions. It blew my mind when you realized that
there was a different experience out here. So I started
but you know, I started reading Stephen King, and Stephen King,

(22:41):
of course, was really big. And I started reading Sherlock Holmes,
and I started reading Anton LaVey. I read Alistair Crowley
because I heard about it in you know, Black Sabbath
or Aussie Osborne tunes. So music was my connection to
all this stuff. And then I had my uncle, who
was still a live Paul is maybe the biggest uncle.
Paul's the biggest cultural force in my life. He, when
I was eleven or twelve, would take me to see

(23:01):
independent movies in Toronto at these movie theaters that weren't
playing the big blockbusters. So I would watch really really
what would now be called age and appropriate stuff. But
what he did was let me watch them and then
talked about them to me. So he taught me how
to think critically and that became That became my driving force, right,

(23:22):
which is I don't just want what everybody likes because
it doesn't speak to me. It felt manufactured. I wanted
something that was a little bit more, you know, in
the darker alleys of the neighborhood. To grew up in
that kind of thing. Music was really important, like the Clash,
the sex pistols directly to answer your question, we're really
George Carlin, were really really important to me in terms

(23:44):
of fighting a system that everybody told you you to respect.
Why was it broadcasting that that was the avenue that
you chose to have that be your art? But weird
is that it wasn't. It's not the plan. I wasn't
supposed to do this for a living, and I don't
know how happened, Like I just was not my goal.
I loved radio and I but I didn't think you

(24:05):
could be on the radio. I didn't think that that's
how it worked. So I was working at this movie
theater in Rexdale, seeing lots of movies. I kind of
figured I was like, maybe I'll be an architect. I
love design, maybe I'll be a designer or some kind
I like to draw. Maybe I'll be a I don't know,
maybe i'll be a director, you know, films. I thought
that stuff. But again I didn't know anybody in any
of these fields. I didn't see any pathways to any

(24:28):
of it. And I wasn't the kind of guy. I mean,
I think I'm inherently lazy. I do. I think I
begged a different you mean, I'm inherently lazy in this way.
If I don't really want to do it, I'm just
not going to do it. So I was just working
at this movie theater, gone out for whatever. I joined
the militia, the reserves in the army. On the there,
I'm like, maybe I'll do that. I don't know. And

(24:49):
but I was working at this theater, and so I
went to get a motorcycle licensed as a teenager because
I love motorcycles, and motorcycles to me were the equal liberation.
And the woman who worked there was a girl who
I had a crush on, and I think, you know,
I was too edgy for her, which you know that
I've never said that out loud, but I actually think
that's what it was. I think this girl saw something

(25:09):
in me that I didn't, and she said, here, take
a look at this where the motorcycle thing was, and
she said, there's a course calendar here for other projects.
So I flipped through it and I saw a radio
and I went, at fuck it, I'll try that. That's it, dude,
that's my whole career. I applied to one college, Humber,
really for one program I had. My meeting with Humber

(25:32):
College was twelve seconds fifteen twenty seconds long. I certainly
did not wow them. They did not wow me, and
I left with no interest. And then I got a
letter in the mail saying you're coming on Humber for radio,
and I went, oh, okay, And you know what it was.
I think tuition at the time was nine hundred dollars

(25:52):
plus another four hundred for books and materials and radio
like get to buy tapes, so it was a thirteen
hundred dollars experience. I worked at the movie theater and
I drove a forecliff and I worked at Mister Submarine
and I paid Actually, by this point I went to
Subway and I paid for my college and I didn't
get a grant from the government. Eventually they gave me
a loan year two, but I didn't want the loan
because I didn't want student debt. So I put it

(26:14):
in the bank and I had it mature on the
day I had to pay it back, and I just
paid all the money back, and I think I made
like three hundred dollars of interest that I used to
pay for my motorcycle insurance. That's really funny. I remember.
So I went and applied to Seneca for their broadcasting
because I didn't know where to go either or what
to do or how to get my foot and the

(26:36):
door't really know what I was doing. But I remember
going to my meeting at Seneca and I was with like,
you know you do, like the orientation with like you know,
ten or twelve people, and everyone's like I work in
audio and I do video production, I do whatever, and
this asshole I go, I just want to be on TV.
They fucking scoffed at me, like get out of here.
I still have embarrassment over Like everyone turned around was

(26:57):
like calm down. Anyways, I didn't get in it worked
for you work. The thing I didn't realize back then,
but it is actually true, is I don't believe in manifestation.
But I do believe in feeding your subconscious with the
things and the ideas you want, and you do that enough,
you have a better shot at getting them than otherwise.
It's not a guarantee, but you knew what you wanted

(27:20):
and you found a way to do it. And I
think that there's something really impressive about that, because there
are a million roadblocks in every human unless you're ultra wealthy,
unless you're that person, but even then you have roadblocks.
It's just fucking hard to do this life, and it's
hard to get close to your dreams. You're dealing with
your parents, conditioning if you have them, your guardians, you're

(27:42):
dealing with a system. You're dealing with all these things
that kind of don't want you to win. They just
want you to be safe, and safe isn't the same
thing as winning. And that's My entire career was about
putting myself in dangerous places and putting myself in dangerous
places in my mind, which is now, bro go fucking
get it. Most people didn't do that, but it worked
for me. You have to know your brain absolutely having

(28:05):
that risk and feeling that little bit of like that danger,
knowing that you're pushing yourself, that having that safety, having
that safety net alone. So I didn't want to go
to college. I didn't want to go to school. I
didn't want to have that thing to fall back on.
It's like, no, fucking figure it out, go do it, okay?
You Much Music, staying true to yourself, You were that
guy for everybody. Like I said, you really told us

(28:27):
what was cool. You were that outsider guy at Much Music.
Talk to me about what that experience was like for you,
because you are that guy that's very true to himself.
There's such an authenticity with what you do. There's nothing
contrived about what you're doing. But when you're experienced at
Much Music, how much freedom did they give you to

(28:47):
work on those shows, come up with those programs and
just be you? Bernae my time at Much Music, I
feel like I was gifted the greatest five years you
could have in a career. That place was so amazing
to work. It was like it was a place. It
wasn't perfect, and there were lots of challenges for sure,
but the people who worked there, certainly when I got there.
It changed a little bit as time went on, But

(29:08):
when I first got there, the on air people, the hosts,
the producers, the management, everybody loved the culture and they
valued the culture. They've valued the relationship you have with
the audience. We didn't have the biggest ratings, but what
we knew was we had the biggest impact. But I
never planned on that. I didn't want to be on

(29:29):
I didn't have much music as a kid, right, I
didn't have cable. So I was working at the show
in a radio and I got a call one day
saying do you want to go talk to him about
working at Much Music? And I was like, yeah, I
don't really like most pop music. I don't want to
that's not my thing. I would do it for the
money because I was broke. I think I was making
fourteen thousand dollars a year at the edge. I had

(29:49):
a futon frame, a would frame without a mattress. I
had the frame and a sheet over the frame. And
that's what I That was my bad that I found
another garbage like, that's so broke living in Toronto back there,
anyone's broke living in Toronto. Now, Shit, that's true, that's true,
that's true. And so they said, no, it's to host
the New Music and that's a show that I had
watched because it was airing on CITYTV at the time,

(30:10):
so and you didn't need a cable for that. And
that's a big reason why I liked a lot of
the bands. I liked was the new music. So I
went to meet with them, and honestly, it was an
average meeting. It was fine, there was nothing to it.
They didn't call me back. I didn't pursue it with them,
but I met with the producer. What happened was a
few months later, I'm working at a radio station at
the Edge doing that night show. And what I did

(30:32):
was when I got there, there were these poles and
ropes that the hosts would have up to keep people
off the street away from you. Every time I went
to work, I would take those poles down, and everybody
would come into the studio and come sit with me
at the desk. Let's hang around. And you could tell
that some of these kids were experiencing homelessness. Some of
these kids had at homes but didn't want to go home,

(30:53):
and we were creating this really safe space, community center
for them and talking about music. I was also like
fucking twenty four years old, twenty five. I was a kid,
and there was some dude hanging around for a couple hours,
and at the very end he said, so, I run
much music. Do you want this or not? And I
was like what? So he brought me in to meet
with Denis Donlin, who's running it at the time, she
was his boss. Why do you want to be a VJ?

(31:14):
And I said to her, I don't think that I do.
She wrote about her in her book, actually thankfully corroborating
my memories, so I remembered it correctly. But she's like,
I don't. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here
for music and culture, and I'm here for kids who
are at home single moms who are I'm here to
show kids that there's a way out. And essentially, and

(31:34):
then they gave me the job, and that's kind of
what happened. So it was never part of the plan.
But I have stayed true to my values for most
of my career, and when I haven't, it backfires. When
haven't you what are the instances that you haven't. I
stayed true to my values when I took the Hockey
nine Canady Gate, but I knew that they were never
going to let me live my values, so it blew up.

(31:56):
So what happened there? Because being a Canadian being on
in Canada of course as a dream, but you were
kind of walking into a bit of a sticky situation
to begin with. What was that experience like for you
to go from ho, you know, God, you've interviewed the
who's who everybody from David Bowie, Mick Jagg or Dolly Parton,
f Kermit and Miss Piggy like you've interviewed everybody to

(32:18):
them being on Hockey NA in Canada and covering a
sport and making that transition can be pretty difficult, not
so much as a broadcaster but in terms of reception.
But I started in sports. That's what's crazy, right, is
that early in my career I was an NBA reporter
at the fan, so I actually was on the fan
for years doing and I was a sports reporter and
hosting sports show, so so sports to me wasn't new

(32:38):
by any means. What was different was that I didn't
like the way sports broadcasting was done generally. I thought
it was exclusive. I thought it was inherently biased, misogynist, racist, homophobic, transphobic.
And I thought that because I worked in places where
I saw it all the time, nothing compared to what

(32:59):
you would have experience. But I saw it because I
was in the boys club. I was a fucking dude
working with a bunch of dudes. So I saw shit
and it was kind of awful. And so when I
left it and went to do my rest of my career,
when Hockey approached me, I remember saying to them, you
don't want this like trust me. What was like the

(33:20):
initial idea where they just like, everyone loves Rombo, everyone
trusts Rombo, Let's bring him in. He's the trusted voice.
I think what happened was in the NHL, they saw
what I was doing with my talk show, and they
saw that on the talk show that we had lots
of different people from different walks of life watching us.
Different They what I was told directly was we want

(33:44):
to make it more open and progressive. I remember the
heads of Rogers, the guy that ended up trying to
get fire me. He said to me when I was
the host of ratings went up with people under thirty
in with women. I was doing my job. I was
doing what I'm supposed to do because I was being
more inclusive and all that stuff. But what happened was
the guy who hired me left, So he left me
to a bunch of people who would never have hired
me in the first place because they were a far

(34:07):
more concerned I'll tell you what. There was times where
a producer would say, your socks are getting a lot
of attention on Twitter. We don't want people to tweet
about the socks, They said, just a bunch of the hosts,
you should just be talking about the game. And I
remember saying to them, you only understand the audience you
currently have. And I'm telling you that if you want
to make this more inclusive and gurgle, you will shed

(34:28):
some of the closed minded people off the top, but
you'll get them back when you get their families back
and you're more inclusive. And I said, it actually matters,
Like I'm like, I'm the edgiest guy here. How am
I the voice of reason? So there was a lot
of that, And I remember, speaking of interviews, I remember
doing an interview and I got some stuff out of
the person and the team freaked out, called hockey and

(34:50):
made them pull the interview. So then I realized all
the broadcasters work for the teams, and I'm like, yeah,
you know what, you guys don't actually want this, so
we are frustrated the exit, which is very It worked
out beautifully for me, and when it was over, I
was relieved. But I took the job knowing it wasn't
going to work. I took the job I had actually
turned down working with members of that team earlier. I

(35:12):
got offered a job in the Olympics, and I turned
the Olympics down, which I probably shouldn't have, but I
did for two reasons. One because it was in China.
It was very On my daily show, I was talking
a lot about human rights, so I was like, you know, ethically,
I can't do it. But also I heard some pretty
shifty things about some of the team. I just thought
I don't want to be a part of this. I
ended up working with them on Hockey Night and I

(35:33):
was like, oh, my instincts were right. But the majority
of the people on Hockey Night were amazing and they
make a great show. I have no knock on Hockey
Night in Canada. But I knew they didn't want to
do what they said they wanted to do. I just
knew it, but I gave it the old college try.
Any right, was there at least a little part of
you that had that like, ooh, risk danger, pushing yourself
into that. Okay, we're going to see what's up in
this territory. Was there a little bit of that firing off? Yeah, totally.

(35:55):
I thought, I know it's going to blow up. So
if I don't do it, what am I? Because I'm
afraid it's going to blow up? Fuck fear. So I
made sure with my team, said just negotiate a guaranteed
contract because it's not gonna work. It's not gonna last.
But I wanted it to. I wanted it to. I

(36:16):
still would like I would do it. Like they did
what they were trying to do. They weren't all in
and it's a good life lesson. They dipped their toes
but didn't understand that to actually win. What they did
was with me was they brought in a kind of
player and then they didn't play the right system. They
played the wrong system. And if you bring in a
certain kind of player, you got to play a system

(36:37):
for that person. And we could have made something pretty special.
But they got what they wanted. It's very conservative, like
let's not worry about you know that that's what they wanted,
and only a couple of people wanted progress, but the
guy brought me in left, and when he did that,
I knew it was over. Like I knew it was
over one year. Come on, fantastic stick. I think it's

(37:01):
really important to do shit, just to do it. And
also what it did was it actually extended my career.
By this point, I'd been on the TV a long time,
I've been on radio a long time, and you become
just something that people accepted. Oh yeah, it's our guy.
You know, it's cool, it's whatever. When that blew up,
I think the Global mail or somebody wrote or piece
about it, and they try to reach me for comment.

(37:21):
I didn't respond because I didn't care. And I think
the quote was George canby reach because he's currently riding
his motorcycle across the US, which was true, okay, And
so what it did was it made me the young
edgy guy again in a weird way. That's great. Yeah,
put you back in that spot. Kind of fired that
back up. And then you know, in the when when
sports media got quite rightly land based it for their

(37:43):
handling of actual events happening in the world, I was like, yeah,
guess what you guys wanted. But it wasn't like the
hockey night guys were great. Like I said, I just
had a couple of people where I thought, yeah, this
is not you. Guys, don't want this to be Take
a look at I shouldn't say this, but the way
women were represented on TV and sports at the time.
It still are. But just looked at some of the

(38:05):
imagery being used, in language being used, and you could
hear that shit now. I wouldn't have known that at
twenty two, but I was lucky enough to work at
Much Music and work at CBC with amazing people who
taught me here's where your bias is appearing. Here's where
your language is exclusive rather than today people attack that

(38:27):
is being politically correct, But it's not politically correct. It's
actually about being honest and know who represents the country,
don't just represent a bunch of fucking small, close minded people.
Like remember that everybody's opinion or everybody's presence is welcome. Here.
I learned from amazing people how to be the kind
of broadcaster that stitched the country together. I used to

(38:47):
say this about CBC all the time. I remember telling
people that were the emotional and intellectual railroad of the country,
like we're not the country. The country is the country,
and the country always changes at our best. We should
be the people that these ideas and connections and resources
towards that all of us. And I felt and I thought,
that's what hockey should do. I think hockey should do
it now, and it's not what they do. It became

(39:09):
a little bit browy again, and I love I watched
the halbs of every game. I watched motorcycle racing every
week when it's on. That's my other favorite sport. I
love watching basketball. I love sports, but I mostly don't
watch the broadcasting part of it anymore. I listened to
some people having a conversation on sports radio in the
US about trans athletes, and I thought, I have never

(39:33):
heard a less equipped group of people to have this
discussion in my life. It was sucking. You can hear
some fucking outlandish shit sometimes if you just keep your
ears open and you understand, like where people come from,
what their mindsets are. Even yeah, I mean when you
look at people that are high up in networks and stuff,
and it's like it can be jaw dropping because people

(39:54):
are scared to step out, they are afraid to have changed,
They're afraid to lose viewership. They're afraid of all of
those things, and that is a thing that's been really
hard to like legitimately evoke change totally. Do you remember
that the wrestling show Live Audio Wrestling? Yeah? Do you remember? You?
We wouldn't know this, did you. It used to be
called Slam and that I was one of the creators

(40:14):
of it. What me and Jeff Merrick and Bob Mackwoods Junior.
We created that show for the first internet radio station
in Canada in the nineties before I worked at the Edge,
long before I worked that much. It was called Slam
and we created the show. But I realized very quickly,
like I loved wrestling as a kid, but I realized
that as wrestling was changing, I wasn't. I wasn't connected

(40:35):
to it. So I walked away from it. And Donnie
k and and Dan came in and it became su
with Jeff Kinds something else. They changed it to Live
Audio Wrestling and it became a whole other project. But
it's it's genesis was Slam on an internet radio station,
and I was one of the creators of it, who
were like, your wrestling guys, what were you into? Remember
I'm old, right, So Jimmy super Fly and I would

(40:57):
watch the early Help and the junk Are Dog. I
remember my first wrestling match I had my uncle got
ringside seats. It was a cage match with Big John
stud and Ken Petera against Junkyard Dog and Andre the Giant.
So that was my era of watching wrestling. It's great, Well,
we got to get you back out because I feel like,
you know what, even some of the things that we're saying,

(41:17):
I feel like wrestling actually does a very good job
in terms of being progressive and inclusive. I think wrestling
does a pretty good job with all of those things.
Wrestling had women competing at a high level. I think
people might not outside of wrestling, might not understand just
how important Trish Stratus is. Oh my god, legend, legend.

(41:41):
Dairy and I met Trish I think when we were
both I was like twenty, She wasn't in wrestling at all.
We were just kids. We met at some event, and
Trish was as nice then as she was when she
was super famous. But wrestling gave a place where women
got in the ring and slayed on the same cards

(42:03):
as men, And that's fucking important when you look at Trish,
Like what Trish was able to do with Leda, to
be the first women to like main event Monday Night Raw,
to see what they were doing at pay per views,
to be like really key players and the factions that
they were working with, Like those women really laid the
groundwork for what we see in wrestling today. And there's
so many women that you kind of rattle off that

(42:25):
have just been able to make wrestling such a cool space.
And I'm happy that I was able to contribute in
any small way to what we see with women in
sports podcasting. You certainly were when I when I saw
you on there, I'm like, I'm like, I know her.
Wait a second, Like I knew her when she was
like a kid. And then your dad told me that,

(42:47):
oh yeah, didn't see that one coming. But kind of
going back to what you say, I didn't know it
was gonna end up in wrestling. I was just kind
of saying yes to opportunities that came my way and
figuring it out, finding a way to be like how
can I do this? How can I make this work
for me? And that's you know, now I have a
career in professional wrestling that I never would have seen
it in broadcasting in a way that I never would

(43:07):
have seen. And how amazing is it? By the way,
when because I get the reports, I look at ratings
all the time, and wrestling kills, so I love that
it kills. I love the range of storylines that's had.
I've gotten to know Sammy Zane. Is he not the best?
I was so happy when I saw that you had
him on your show when some of you guys got

(43:28):
to He's one of my favorite human beings. Sammy and
I kind of connected on social media only because we
both love the same punk rock band from Winnipeg, Propagandi,
and I just didn't occur to me. I hadn't been
keeping up on who was wrestling or doing and I
saw I looked at this guy followed me on social media,
like why does this guy with all these followers following me?
I looked at him like, oh, that's sam Musane. I've
heard of him, Like, oh, bro, he loves Propagandi. I'm down.

(43:50):
He's a legit dude. He's so cool, and he's Syrian.
He was speaking out about Syria. I went to Syrian,
so we really bonded on it. And I love what
Sammy does and I love Who's and I love this
crazy conspiracy shit because because I know his actual values
are so good and in a world where the conspiracy
shit is like super weird, and he feeds it but

(44:11):
also pulls back, I just love out right on the
fucking edge of the blade. It is the best. When
I was pregnant, he actually hosted one one of my
maternity leave episodes, And yeah, anytime I've had Sammy on
the show, like the stuff that flies out of his mouth,
he's the absolute best. Um, Okay, before I let you go,
I know we're kind of running short on time, but
I just really wanted to talk to you about and

(44:32):
by the way, I'll talk to you for as long
as you are great, We're going to keep on hanging. Then,
when you were doing The Hour and doing Strombo Tonight,
doing all these shows within Canada, how are those opportunities?
Were they brought to you? Were they shows that you
had pitched? Like? How did you do that? Because for
people that are listening that don't understand, there's like a
handful of people in Canada that have been able to

(44:53):
have their own shows as successful as yours were in
the timeslots that they were like, how the hell did
you pull that off? You know what it was. I
was working at Much Music at the time and I
had CBC had reached out to me to host a show,
and I went to meet them and I got a
bad vibe and I said, nah, I'm going to pass.
They asked me to host of arts and Culture show.

(45:16):
Then I got offered another show at CBC, which wasn't
the right show for me, but the person who offered
it to me was a very old school news producer,
conservative kind of producer, not a conservative in her approach,
but her and I just She's a bit older than me,
but we just kind of bonded. I liked her. She said,
I don't think this is the right show for you,

(45:36):
but would you come over here and host a news show?
And I said, nah, no, I'm it was a six
o'clock news show and I was like, no, it's not
the right fit. Then, when I was working at Much Music,
I got offered to host The Greatest Canadian. I got
offered to pick somebody for the Greatest Canadian. Canada was
doing this series and I said I wanted to represent
Tommy Douglas and they said, well, how do you know

(45:57):
Tommy Douglas is even in the top ten, and I said,
if he's not, I wouldn't want to be a part
of it. So they said, you can do it, but
I was still under contract to Much Music, so CBC
was going to pay like no money for that. Oh
it was a lot for me at the time. I
don't know if it was like twenty grand or thirty grand.
It was a lot. But I remember going to Much
Music and I said, hey, they want me to host
this thing. I still work here, it's not getting in
the way of this, but I would be me for

(46:19):
Much Music representing Tommy Douglas, and Much Music said, yeah,
you can do it, but you've got to give us
the money they're given you. Yeah, and I said what now.
I had just got a manager and an agent in
the US at this point, and I called my manager
an agent and they were flabber gass. They never even

(46:42):
heard of that. But Much of Music said, no, we're
going to take the money. That's our way of letting
you do it. And I said, fuck you, guys, cool,
so you can have the money. I'm going to do
it because I knew that I was going to go
in there, and I knew who was producing and directing
my episode, the late great Guy of Sullivan, and I
knew that we were gonna fucking win. I knew because

(47:06):
in my head, I'm like, Okay, you want to do
this to me. This is the old street kid in me,
right that fuck you guys, smile on great, No problem, guys,
no problem, And inside I'm like, fuck you guys. So
I went and did it, and I guess the footage
from the first week of shooting got back to CBC
because I got a call saying, hey, they want to
talk to you about doing a show with them, and

(47:27):
I'd already turned them down twice and I was like,
all right, let me just keep going. Then I got
booked to do. I was a guest on Peter Manfridge's
one on one show talking about music and politics, so
I did a thing about that and then they're like, yeah,
we want to give this guy a show. So they
offered me a show, but they didn't know what it was,
and I turned them down again. They said, we want
to do this kind of show. We don't know what

(47:47):
we're gonna do, and I said, no, no, no, no no, no,
it's not for me. Why did you think it wasn't
for you, well, kind of like my instinct with Howking
in Canada. I was like, you don't really want this.
I have a nose ring, I have I wear black
T shirts and studded belt, and I talked politics and
music and culture and I'll interview wrestlers and I'll do
like all this stuff. And I'm not you don't want that.
And I didn't believe them, so I was. I had

(48:11):
met with them a couple of times, and I said
to my manager, you know, I just turned it down.
I don't want to do it. I don't believe in it,
and he's, yeah, I don't think they're going to let
you do your thing any They're good your thing anyway.
So he called me one day and he said, it's weird,
but they're not accepting your no. They want to meet
with you. They want to meet with you one more time.
And I said I don't really want to and they said,
just meet with the one or ten because they're nice

(48:32):
people and they wouldn't take your money from you the
way much music did. I said, you're right, So I
walked down the street met with CBC. In the middle
of that meeting, I went maybe that week I was
supposed to fly to darfour. The genocide was happening in
darfour of the war. I was going with Rain made
it from my Lady Piece. We were just going as
friends to see what we can do. We weren't really affiliated.

(48:54):
Our friend Eric from War Child was coming with us,
but it was we were on a different mission. And
I'm sitting on the plane with Rain from our Lady Piece,
and I said to him, Hey, what do you think
of this. CBC has offered me this show and it
would be a nightly news talk show. It would start
on news World, and who knows, maybe I could bring
out on the main network one day. He said, Look,
it's not going to work because they don't want what

(49:16):
you can do. But if it does work, if you
somehow do it, you'll have pulled the sword from the stone,
and you'll have pulled something that nobody else could do.
He goes, and it would be fucking cool. And I
looked at him and I thought, yeah, you're right. So
I texted my manager and I said, let's quit much music,
let's go to CBC. I hit send, I turned my

(49:37):
phone off, and I flew to Darfur. In the middle
of my trip in Sudan with the war going on,
I get on a satellite phone and I call him
and he's like really and I'm like, yeah, totally, let's
do it. And he's like awesome, And that's how it happened. Okay,
So you have this show for a decade again, like
the arts, the culture, the politics, you really were the
heartbeat for Canada to know what was going on on,

(50:00):
what we need to be aware of. What are some
of the key moments that really stand out to you,
Like some of your favorite interviews. I mean, shit, who
haven't you interviewed? I've been so lucky to interview most
of the people I loved, you know. The highlights for
me are when two human beings meet each other at
their presence and all the bullshit, all the artifice of
being in front of a camera or lights, when two

(50:23):
human beings just connect and they look at each other
and say, all right, let's do this, like let's really
fucking do this. Do you want to go? Let's go.
I've had a few of those moments where I remember,
like Judane Collwood, I got to interview jun call with
this great activist a few maybe a week before she
passed away. We knew she was going to pass away.
She was terminally ill, and it was about that two

(50:43):
people just at their rost talking. I remember I had
to interview ed Norton once and I was sitting down
an interview and he was preoccupied on his BlackBerry at
the time. He was doing a junk and I get it.
I get it. I'm sitting there. So I ask him
a question, a generic question to start. He gives me
a bullshit answered, which is fair because it was a
bullshit question. But I had a moment where I thought, no,

(51:06):
I'm not doing this. I asked him a second question
that was not any of this, and he had barely
looked at me to start the interview, and then he
went to answer the question in autopilot. He paused and
he looked at me. He went okay, and he put
his phone down. He's like that, yeah, let's do this,

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and then we dove in. And those are the moments
that I loved. When I'm not trying to get over,
I don't need to make myself look good. I already
have the show. That's the presence alone is the win, right,
It's not about me. And I think what I adopted
with him and with others is it's not even about you,
It's actually about this experience, So that somebody who's had
a terrible day, who was trying to hide their tears

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on the street car when they were going home on
Queen Street on the five oh one, and it just
ate this fucking shitty piece of leftovers, and they put
the TV on tonight and their problems are compounded and found,
and they got these two guys on TV who are
clearly very privileged. Regardless of how we got here. If
we do this interview and we make it about us, bro,
we fucking failed. And when I started to do interviews

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like that, I felt like it clicked. And it was
that June Callwood interview and a couple of those old
school ones where where the people who didn't think the
show was for them realized that we were for them,
because we weren't for an age group, but we were
for is an experience and a life. We're here for
a life lived. And that's when it changed for me

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at TBC, and I felt like June Callwood, Michael J.
Fox talking about what he was battling. Things like that
became really really impactful. I had such a great time,
especially the first handful of years there where it was
still so pure, those those good glory years when you
can just like be in it. No other bs like
you guys just like had such a great stride. And
for me to be able to watch that show and

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watch your career and watch a way that you've really
handled yourself and again coming back to just saying true
to yourself, I've always been such a huge fan of yours,
So I really appreciate you jumping on here with me.
I feel like it's funny starting this interview, and I
was legit like nervous because I'm like, oh my god,
what am I? What am I going to ask George?
Oh my god? What? But I feel like my cup
got filled a little bit during this interview, So thank

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you for that. Oh it's my pleasure. Thank you for
having me and let me be part of this. You
know that old cliche that people tell you and it
sounds like they're talking bullshit, but it's real. Which is
the only thing that matters is how people feel when
they leave the room with you. How do people feel
around you? That's kind of the only thing that matters,
And so I strive to surround myself with people who

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challenge me and push me and do things and talk
to you, And I was so thrilled for your career.
People who are interesting and interested and want to bring
people together. This is what a gift to be able
to do what we love for a living. So it's
got to be about this. It's got to be about
real human connection. So thank you for that, and thank
you for taking the time. I know you're a busy

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guy doing a million different things, but keep that grind going.
Thank you. I'm about to head on, either on the
motorcycle or the truck. I'm going to drive to Apple
and do my show. Give your family my love, please,
I will. I definitely will hopefully are passable across soon.
I look forward to it. A huge thank you to
Strombo for jumping on with me. I feel like I

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know he doesn't have time for this. I wish that
he could be one of my like repeat guests where
I just like have him on and like check in
and see what's up because he's the best. And just
to add a couple more things, things that I didn't
get to even talked about in this interview that I
wish that I had are some of some of the
other things that he's involved in. So he's got the
George Strombolopolis Music Therapy Scholarship Fund, which is really great.

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There's also Strombo's lit, his book club that he does
in partnership with with Apple. Two things to definitely check out.
But this guy is constantly giving back, working with the
World Food Program, going to Syria, whatnot. I mean, he's
just he's done it all. So there's there's lots of
things to check out. We can put some of the
links in the bio for this show as well, so
you guys can can get eyes on that. But until

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next time, guys, this has been the Sessions