The W.A.D.E Concept - Ben Whittaker’s ARROGANCE Is a MAJOR Problem.. And It May BACKFIRE

Wade discusses the latest with Ben Whittaker and how his attitude could turn into a big problem for him. #Volume

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we are bad and today I want

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to talk about UK's potentially most infamous boxer right now,
a man that has all the eyeballs right now in
the UK boxing scene. He's a silver medallist, He's eight
zero and one. Thing we're going to talk about in
a second. It is Ben Whittaker and why his rematch
with Liam Cameron is a bigger problem than I think
people realize. And no, it's not just about the fact

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that both he and Liam did a John Cena Bautista
esque royal Rumbules circa two thousand and five flip over
the top rope before their eventual draw. Or are the
questions about Ben Whittaker's heart or did he quit in
the first fight. It's more about level of fighter Ben
Whittaker is, versus what he thinks he is and how
potentially his mindset can absolutely derail everything. What do I

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mean the breakdown? Let's go speaking of this fight coming
up this Saturday. This is the rematch between Ben Whittaker
and Liam Cameron. But there's more fights coming up brought
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else live on his own. Anyway, before we get to
host car Let's talk about this weekend, Ben Whittaker versus
Liam Cameron, the rematch and why I think it's make
or break time for Ben Whitaker. Like I said, Ben Whitaker,
if you haven't seen him on this channel before, you've
seen him in every social clip everywhere. When it comes
to boxing, he is flashy, he has style, He is confident,

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bordering on not even he's cocky. He's arrogant, but he
usually backs it up in the ring because he's got
high level skills, speed and ability. When it comes to
the squared circle. He's a silver medallist and going into
the pro ranks, a lot of hype behind what he
potentially eventually would be in that style of fighting. Combined
with the hype around you can do a couple of things.

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One it will get you a massive fan base very
quickly because he's doing stuff like well, quite frankly, what
we're seeing on screen here, he's a character, to say
the least, and you got to see a lot of
that in the Olympics, and as he's hit the pro
scene you've seen a lot more of that. The shots
of the body there in and out movements, the taunts,
the faints. It does somewhat reminds you of a prince,
and I see him. I think if a lot of

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people will see the similarities between the two, it's because
they're flashy and they talk of big game while backing
it up. And for the most part, like I said,
that can gain you a lot of fans, but can
also put you in a position to piss a lot
of people off. And the moment set, the moment becomes
either too big for you or that things don't go
your way. The risk and reward of being so brash,
being so cocky is that it will come back to

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bite you, and in the Liam Cameron first fight, it did.
And I think that happened for a couple of reasons.
Number one, yeah, I do think that he underestimated Liam
Cameron because this is a guy in Lia Cameron who
has not been knocked out before. He has twenty three wins,
six losses, but all of his losses that come in
by decision. He's not losing by being knocked out. So
what does that tell you about a fight That means
they're going to be stuck in from the moment the
first bell goes until the last round. And speaking of

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the last round. We'll get to why that's a big
discrepancy in the rematch coming up. But the first fight
with Cameron was an eye opening tale because what you
saw was in the beginning, Ben Whittaker doing what he does.
He was very stiff with his jab, he was fast,
he was elusive, and he was catching Cameron on the
end of punches without fully committing to being in the
pocket and by proxy, fully committing to throwing big time power.

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And as Ben Whittaker started to open up on the
other side, you saw Liam Cameron feel like he could
take the power punches of Ben Whittaker like he has
for every opponent before him, and not be phased by it.
And you were starting to see that from Ben Whittaker
in fights previously, where his power punching as he's going
up levels starts to fall off a little bit as
the opponent gets better, more seasoned, more experience, more durable

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power punching, at least from what we've seen to this point,
has started to wane just a bit, and when those
power punches aren't shocking his opponent, you start to see
some issues with some of the footwork of Ben Whittaker
and some of the landing into range and taking pictures
of punches while not being able to reset and getting
clipped with big shots. Also, a lot of the things
that Ben Whittaker does and did in the Cameron fight

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rely on big, stringent movements. The head movement to get
away from punches isn't here here, it is way down,
turn evy backgu under turn. It's a lot of movement.
And trust me as a guy that has only had
one fight and almost knows damn near nothing about ten
round fighting, especially not twelve round again, ten to twelve

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discrepancy we're gonna talk about in a second. Even four
rounds of a lot of movement will cause your gas
take to zap big time. And that's what happened. And
you combine that with power punching that's not affecting your opponent.
You combine that with an opponent that's trying to pressure
you forward, that hasn't been stopped before, and quite frankly,
doesn't care about your flashiness, doesn't care about all the hype,
doesn't care about the newsletters or you're in Olympic silver medal.

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Liam Cameron put it on Ben Whittaker in a way
that quite frankly, from the outside looking in, I think
a lot of people have pointed the finger and said yees.
Potentially he's looked for a way out of that fight,
and when that time came and the injury happened, over
the top rope again, I have no idea if he
was too injured to continue or whatever. I try to
err on the side of not saying fighters quit because
I am never in their position. When other fighters say it,

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like Derek Jazora and others, I kind of have to
agree with him. Take a listen just quickly, Derek ben
Whitticker versus Liam Cameron. A lot of people calling the
accusation that he quit in that fight. Some fighters might
do that. What did you feel about that situation?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Quick?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
When he came out in the ring, his legs were
up in there, He's like dropped down quick when those
type of things happen. Yes, it was a draw, there
was an injury. But adversity comes Ben Whittaker's way, and
you start to see the fight turning the opposite way
of what he is used to experiencing, which is someon
would say front running in fights. That is a major
red flag for an up and coming fighter. Because when

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you are rising levels very quickly. In fair play to
Ben Whittaker, he was fighting at a higher level than
most would with eight wins in his position, I would
say he's fighting at that British level pretty quickly. It's
still a test for a reason. It's to test your resolve,
it's to test your mindset, it's to test your physical
ability to step up the levels and be ready for
higher level competition. In that fight he showed at quite frankly,

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I don't know that he is ready for the next level.
But none of those things are issues in their own vacuum, right.
It's not an issue to have a test early on
in your career and not be ready. Many world champions
have had losses early on in their career to come
back and hold belts at multiple different weight classes. One
of the notable ones is Nonto Dunair. I think he
lost his second fight, maybe his debut, and came back
and was a five division world champion. And it's also

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not necessarily an issue to not have the biggest punching
power at light heavyweight one hundred and seventy five pounds.
There's a ton of guys that have made it work
without being knockout artists. One of them is the best
in the world right now, Dmitri Bvoll at one hundred
and seventy five pounds not the biggest puncher in the world,
he is able to be elite at everything else. And
that's where you look at Ben Whittaker and say, what
is he elite at? Is he elite level speed? Is

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he elite level mindset? Is the elite level toughness? Is
he elite level physicality? Is the elite level skills that
pay the bills? I don't know that I can say
yes to any of those categories right And I don't
mean that as a disrespect to Ben Whittaker. I just
don't know. My worry for Ben Whittaker is as we
head into this rematch, I go back and I look
at all the things that surrounded the first fight, all

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the things that were said that were done pre fight,
during the fight, and postfight, and it feels like Ben
Whittaker doesn't believe the things he's saying and doing. I
heard him in the build up talk about what he
was going to do to Liam Cameron. I heard him
in the post fight talk about the injury and how
he's going to approach the rematch how it was his
worst night and Liam Cameron didn't even hit hard. He

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wasn't feeling any of that power. He wasn't even tired,
And all of these things that I'm hearing from Ben
Whittaker don't match the actions when he gets cracked with
the right hand from Liam Cameron and he circles out
and you can see this vastly look in his face
and the deadness of his legs and everything starting to
come downhill in a domino effect. In that first fight,
not to say that he was going to lose, but
he was going to have to cut out a big

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time victory after you know, again having success early on
in the fight, turning in the middle part of those rounds,
and then you see him in the face to face,
and I gotta be honest, he is very confident, bordering
on arrogant, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's been
many American fighters, UK fighters the likes of it that
I've loved that were confident that we're arrogant, that were
prevose and braggadocious, but they backed it up. So when

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I see what happened in the first fight, when I
see what happened after the first fight, and the way
there was a lot of deflection from Ben Whittaker and
the confidence that Liam Cameron got going into this rematch.
This is why I say it's make or break. This
is a moment for Ben Whittaker to tell us who
he is, to show us who he is, because right
now there's a lot of questions specifically around who he

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thinks he is versus who he's shown us he is.
Quite frankly, there's a lot of unjustified statements that he's
making about Liam Cameron, about himself, how much higher level
he is than Liam and a lot of other people,
and really a denial about what happened in that first
fight based on his gas tank, his defense, his lack
of power shown or the lack of effectiveness shown in

(09:34):
the stuff he was doing, the reliance on his athletic ability,
and not necessarily his technique that I know is there.
You don't become a silver medallist at the lower weight
classes by just being an athletic free He does have skills,
he does have an ability to box at the outside
to get through this fight and take him further on.
It's just what is the commitment level like to getting
better at that versus just relying on what's got you

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to the dance. And that's the question I don't really
have the answer for and Ben Whittaker, but it just
seems like he doesn't have that answer something that was
oddly left out of the face to face. That's a
massive deal that I don't know how anyone isn't talking about.
Listen to this clip from Liam Cameron would say two
or three weeks ago talking about this fight in how
there's a massive discrepancy between the two fighters contracts that

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I can't even believe is real.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
There's a mess about what contracts, what no one's letting
me speak speak about. So I'm gonna try on air.
We've signed for a twelve round fight and they're trying
to push it for a ten round. They're doing everything
they can and I'm not budgeting. I'm having a twelve
round fight and this is what I tried to do
it on gloves are off, they won't let me speak

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about it, and on Sky Sports that didn't air my interview.
When I was signing contracts to fought it couldn't barely
get through five rounds.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
This feel weird, This is no disrespect to my influencer
boxing background. I haven't seen anything this goofy since Misfits
Boxing did something similar earlier this year. This doesn't happen.
A complete fumble apparently by Ben Whittaker's team and Ben Schilon.
They sent out a twelve round contract and had it
signed by both fighters knowing they wanted a ten round contract,

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and fair play to Liam Cameron and Frank Warren, they're
not budget on it, Like, yeah, no, you sent us this,
it's signed by your guy. We signed it. This is
the only formal contract we've agreed to. We're not budgeing.
You messed up. And again him Cameron's right, go back
and look at that fight. Ben Whitaker was sucking wind,
he was out of shape, or you know, punched himself
out or you know, used up a lot of his
energy by you know, doing a lot of the big

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movements defensively and circling and being on his feet and
all those things. So to send out the twelve round
contract in the first place, and when your guys struggled
in the first fight, to then go back a couple
of weeks later and send out the ten round contract,
it calls the bluff on everything that you're hearing from
again Ben Whittaker and his team versus what the actions
they're showing us are. And by the way, we're at

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fight week at this point. By the time this video
goes out, it'll be a fifteenth of April. This fight
is only days away, and I don't know if it's
been fixed. I have no idea if it's a twelve
round fight, if it's a ten round fight, and neither
do the fighters, at least publicly right now as we speak. Ultimately,
because Ben Whittaker is kind of the a side of
this whole thing, it'll probably be a ten rounder, but
still just the baffling nature of this whole thing, like

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it shows again kind of in a way, a lack
of respect to Liam Cameron and a lack of genuine
thought and preparation not just from Ben Whittaker but his
team going into this fight. How important is this fight
to you? That's the question, Because if it's not important
enough to get the contract right, if it's not important
enough for Ben Whittaker the first time around to take
Liam Cameron seriously, how are we supposed to believe you're

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taking him seriously when you can't even get him the
right contract the second time around. Now, granted that has
nothing to do with Ben Whittaker, and I've seen comments
on YouTube watching some of this stuff calling him ben Quittaker.
That's crazy. But the point is, whatever happens if it's twelve,
if it's ten, we need to see a different version
of Ben Whittaker this time around. Can he get rid
of whatever demons he has and people questioning his gas tank,
questioning his toughness, questioning his mental toughness to go into

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this fight and take care of business versus let's be honest,
a tough, gritty you're gonna have to take it from
him to beat him. Liam Cameron that is full of
confidence after the first fight, full of confidence after this
whole contract botch negotiation situation, and truly believes that he
has Ben Whittaker's number. That's what we're gonna have to see.
And if I am offering a prediction, which I know

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usually go really badly for me for this fight, I
just genuinely have to think that Ben Whittaker can't take
the same approach with Liam Cameron and trying to bust
him up. Early in this fight, he was in a
lot of that energy, trying to throw big power shots,
even if they are to the body where he was
open in the first fight, and trying to go upstairs.
This guy's a fucking Walt And I have to believe
that Ben Whittaker has the ability to box from the
outside and win. This fight gonna be the most entertaining performance.

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Is it gonna be able to be as flashy? Maybe?
Maybe not? But what do you want to do here?
Do you want to go out and prove people wrong
and get a win, show that you are better than
what your last fight was, or do you want to
just be the guy that's flashy and throws the punches
and dances afterward and eventually runs into a wall that
you can't overcome. And I'm not saying don't be yourself
for Ben Whittaker. Is he going to be a showman

(14:03):
in this fight? Probably? Is he gonna do a little
dance here and there. Probably, But in my opinion, I
think he needs to strip away a lot of the
bullshit in this fight. Whatever it is, the rubbing on
the opponent's head, that kind of stuff. Strip that away.
Go and show us what you've been telling us about
how good you are. And Cam be because if not,
a trap fight could absolutely derail Ben Whittaker's career. And
I know that it may sound silly to say, but

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this is a make or break fight for him, no
question about it. So, like I said, predictions wise, I
do think Ben Whittaker gets this done. I think he
stays on the outside and utilizes his jab and doesn't
get into a ton of entanglements and uses his feet economically,
meaning he avoids punches without running a marathon in there,
and eventually out boxes Liam for whatever. There is ten

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potentially twelve rounds. I'm telling you right now though. If
this thing is twelve rounds, those two extra rounds are
a major major issue for Ben Whittaker and their team
and they know it, which is why they tried to
go with the ten round fight. So yeah, while I
don't think this will be a pretty fight, I think
it'll be a little rough, a little back and forth.
But I do see Ben Whittaker walking away as the
victor here. Maybe I'm hoping that he's worked on the
gat tank, He's worked on the things he needs to

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because Liam Cameron is coming for the win. It's a
live dog. He knew that first fight that things were
going his way and they were turning. This time around,
Ben Whittaker has a confidence, fire breathing, fucking dragon in
front of him, and he's gonna have to go slay
that thing. What do you guys think happens this weekend?
Ben Whitaker, Liam Cameron too, let me know below, and
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time cards coming up. Like I said April twenty six,
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Roly Romero, the three fight banger of a card, and
do not miss May third, Canelo alve out of his
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but stay around to see where your boy ends. What
happens in all those cards, and particularly for Ben Whittaker
this weekend, I don't have those answers, but he better

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because in front of the world it's put up or
shut up time, So I guess we'll find out better
well rather any than