“I SOLD MY HUSBAND”

I talk on the phone with the woman who married her horse in last episode’s Geckmail. She catches me up on their marriage, her life philosophies at 60, and her next big adventure involving a mobile camper. 

Afterwards a caller wrestles with life after film school, a caller talks about his experience as a refugee, and a final caller finds a dead deer while on a walk. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, what's up everybody, how you guys doing. Welcome to
the Therapy Gecko Podcast. Thanks for being here. I'm feeling
pretty good today. Actually, I am back from Japan and
I am chilling and ready to talk to some people
on the phone today. As of recording this, it is

(00:21):
March eighth, twoenty twenty five. I'm feeling pretty good. It's
interesting to still be here. I know that's a weird
thing to say, but I think I always thought that
once you hit a certain age, you just explode and
you become you know, it's hard to like imagine you

(00:43):
ever have those things where like you can't even imagine
what life is like at a certain time, and then
you're there and you're like, oh, I'm still me. I'm
still here. I didn't just explode. Life just keeps going.
And I think that feeling used to Oh, I'm live
on Twitch. Someone on the twitch chats that they turned
sixty two last year. How are you feeling? Wooll fourth

(01:07):
turning sixty two. I'm curious, But anyway, you know, I'm
actually feeling pretty good today. I'm ready to take some
phone calls. I'm ready to talk to people. I've been
doing a lot of gek mail lately because I don't
think I was in as great of a position to
take phone calls. But now I feel good and I

(01:29):
actually feel pretty ready to talk to some people on
the phone. So I'm gonna do that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hello, oh hello Lyle.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yes is this h Janet?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
It is yes, indeed, Janet.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, Janet, I'm calling you back for you sent me
a text. But I read an email on one of
the mare gek mails from a woman who married her horse.
I believe me, and I believe that is you, and
so I am.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
That is me. Did you have a picture?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I did see the picture. I did see the picture. So,
uh you for people who didn't hear that email or
that episode or whatever, and if do you want to
just give us some context of you know, what happened?

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I I for my sixtieth birthday, I had a
wedding party. So I made a suit for my horse
out of a blanket, you know, a horse blanket. I
converted it and he had a tie and everything, and

(02:49):
I had some socks on his legs and I had
a bouquet of carrots and uh, yeah, it was a
who It was really fun And.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
You are there would have been the benefits thus far
of marrying your horse.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Uh, well, you know, I don't even have the horse anymore.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So, oh no, what do you mean you sold the
fucking horse? That's Janet. That's so fucked up up things.
You got married to a horse and then you sold it?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
What did you.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well the reasons, I'm taking care of my mom full
time right now. She's just menia and so that's time
consuming and the expense very very expensive. So yeah, since
I sold my horses, I have money.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Now can I ask it? And it's okay if it's
a personal question you would like not to answer. I'm kidding.
What do you sell a horse for? What's the horlet
looked like?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So I sold him for two thousand dollars. And then
I had another horse. I had two horses at one time,
and so I sold the other horse for five thousand dollars.
So the other horse was younger and had well, they
both had papers, but I just felt like she was

(04:22):
more valuable mayor, she was a mayor, she was younger.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
What else are you in the horse? The horse you sold?
Are you guys divorced? Are you still married? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I don't see him anymore at all. We have no
kids together, so well, thank.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
God for that.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
What else is going on in life? Janets?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, I just bought a travel trailer. Cool, so U
thirty foot trailer and mom is currently on hospice. So
we're looking at months not years, and so I'm looking
at My next adventure is traveling a little bit with

(05:09):
my camper and yeah, and then eventually I want to
settle in Pennsylvania. I love the Hershey Harrisburg area in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, like Hershey Park.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well do you know penn National Racecourse?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Okay, small track in near Harrisburg. It's in Grantville, Pennsylvania,
And so I worked there when I was much younger.
I did you know galloped racehorses and ponied horses and
hot locked horses. And I'm actually going to come full
circle back to that lifestyle again.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, I don't think I'll be riding exercising.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
How long have horses been a part of your life?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Pretty much since I was seven. I started writing lessons. Cool,
so yeah, I took ten years of lessons and then
I got my own horse and did four h and
then I went to horse management school and managed to
race horse farm, worked on the track, worked on a
dude ranch, and then decided to do something safer, So

(06:22):
I went back to school to be a veterinary technician.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, yeah, how.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Long did do How long did you do that for?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I did ten years in small animal practice, and then
I did twenty years in research. So I worked with
mice and rats, and I even I did blood collection
and injections and surgery and wrote some papers and invented
some things cool and yeah. Yeah, it was a good,

(06:54):
good life. And then ended up back in small animal
practice for a while, right before I started taking care
of mom and.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
For for all this time were you where were you located?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Michigan, Michigan. So I worked at the University of Michigan
a little bit at Wayne State University also cool cool?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
And where taking care? Where is your mom at? Where
are you taking care of her at home?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
We lived together our in a house.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, we're still still in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we like Michigan. But I'm ready
to ready to move again.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And you know you told me a little bit in
the email that you sent that I read that you
want to do You're going to do a podcast where
you interview folks about the paranorma.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I thought about that. So I have a lot of ideas.
I always, you know, I'm thinking about what I can do.
And because I don't want to take so security till
I'm sixty seven seventy, maybe you know I'm perfectly capable
of working. But oh, podcasting. I love the idea of
podcasting and talking to people, but I don't like the

(08:13):
idea of doing all the work editing and posting and
advertising and generating clicks and you know all that.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, you know, well, let me ask you this, do
you like? Because I'm curious, do you when you think
about like doing a podcast, is it like something you like?
Would the podcast need to make money for you to
like be able to do it or do or do
you have are you able to just do it?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, that's a good point. I guess I wouldn't. Maybe
i'd have to have a job. I don't. I do
need income, So I suppose I could do it on
the side spare time kind of thing for fun.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Because well, here's the thing, is like, well, so people
the listeners can tell from the ads, but like the
phone call podc this podcast, you know, I do for
a living, but I do another kind of version of
my show where I like do it in person, you know,

(09:33):
and like I set up my little and I actually
might start doing more episodes like that on you know,
I might start releasing more episodes like that on audio
on like uh, you know, this podcast on Spotify and
Apple podcasts and stuff. But I've recorded several of those
episodes where like I'm out on the streets interviewing people,

(09:55):
and I've just I've just I don't know why, but
I just haven't even posted the you know, I haven't
even posted them because probably because I got lazy or whatever.
But it was like it was like I have episodes
like that recorded that I never posted, but I don't.
I'm not tripping out about it, because it's like I
just liked doing the interviews. I just liked being set

(10:21):
up and getting to chat with folks that I never
would have chatted with before. And I just liked it.
So I mean, look, I guess that's I say all
this to say to you that, like, you know, unless
if you I don't know, if your whole thing is
like you have a hankering to build whatever, but like
you could goddamn very well just take a camera, take,

(10:44):
take your I take. You could take your iPhone or whatever.
You could do a minimal, cheap, crappy setup, hint record
you know, uh uh set up the just to get
people to talk, and and like, you don't you don't
have to, you know, go u crazy. You don't have

(11:07):
you don't have to start a clip page and make
Instagram reels and yeah, I mean you know, like post
the thing. You can just post it on YouTube. I'm
sure you know folks channel. Yeah, Chanel, it doesn't. I
guess what I'm saying to you is like the you
don't like you the the the intensive labor. Sure, if

(11:28):
you want to and if you really want to make
like a business out of it, and you really want
to do whatever you can. In fact, you know, do
do do labor intensive clipping and uh YouTube thumbnails and
all that stuff. But if you're just doing a podcast
for fun, it can be it can truly be as

(11:50):
labor intensive as you want it to be.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, just keep it simple, make it fun. It's
not like I'm trying to get rich off it. I'll
have my part time job so I have enough income
to survive in my little trailer. Yeah, good way to
meet people in the community.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
And also another thing is, you know, I don't know you.
There may maybe you uh you know, I know you
you you said you worked at a university.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I did you know?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Maybe I don't know. If there's any Internet savvy folks
in your life who might be able to help you
out a little bit, you know. That's that's another option,
if if, if you know that happens to be a
thing in your life, right. But yeah, again, that's that's

(12:50):
the thing is like it can be as you don't
like when you you know, I I assume that because
you are familiar with me that you're on you know,
Instagram and TikTok or whatever, and I'm sure you I am.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, my daughter introduced me to you like four years ago.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, And actually you were in Romulus at one time.
Does that ring a bell? Romulus, Michigan.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Uh hold on, let me it was four years ago.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Romulus, Michigan. Rom Yeah, uh am, I hell on? Where
is that is that near Lansing?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, it's near Detroit.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, I've been Detroit a few times. Yeah, I've been
to Detroit, like yeah, three times.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, uh yeah, yeah you were at this. I'm super
close to Romulas. Cool, but I actually had breast cancer
at the time. It was right after I was.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Diagnosed.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You came in February twenty three, so I couldn't go.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well hopefully I'll well, well, you know, I might do
another tour in twenty twenty six. I'll try to come
back to uh to Detroit's. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, I
was gonna say, yeah, I'm sure you see like people
you clips or whatever. But yeah, like like I said,
it didn't have to be it. It can be as
labor intensive as you want it to be, or it

(14:21):
could just be like a fun passion project that you
do just because you want to talk to people. And
I'm in that too a little bit because again, like
this podcast, this version of the podcast, like taking phone
calls and stuff is like, you know, my my business
and career and whatnot. But like the the stuff that

(14:43):
I do outside of this where I'm just chatting with
people on the street is you know, I just do
that because it's fun. Yeah, that's why sometimes I don't
even post the episodes.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Huh yeah, yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, I have
all kinds of random stuff on my you tube channel.
It started with horse training because I had a farm
where I boarded and trained horses. So it's got some
It's Equine Charm School. Drop the name.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Oh hold on, yeah, okay, let's get another plug. Go
and how do you spell equine e.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Q U I n E.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
School charm school? Well, you know either way, I mean,
I love the idea. I love Oh is it Kennedy
Equine Center.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Nope? No, Equine Charm School?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh this is you Janet?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, wow, cool, cool, cool. Well, I love it. I
think it's I think it's awesome. I'm I'm I'm I am,
I am uh truly, I I am inspired by you
continuing to at all states of your life reinvent yourself
and try new things and do something that I think

(16:05):
that's like the coolest fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh, definitely have done a lot of that, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I did some traveling, did a lot of career changes,
and yep, just keep moving forward.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I actually actually invented a device that made anesthetizing cats
and rats in my safer for people and less stressful
for the animal, but it just never took off. I
put a lot of time and money into it, and eventually, finally,
after like fifteen years, I finally dropped it. And I

(16:48):
still have parts, like maybe I'll go back and do
something with it.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
But yeah, what is anesthetizing?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So putting to sleep for surgery?

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Oh oh oh oh you made you invented a thing
that allows you to put mice to sleep so you
can do surgery on them.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, it made it safer for people because the way
they currently did it exposed people to a lot of
the gas. You know how they put a face mask
over your nose and tell you to breathe and you're
breathing that gas. Well, in the research world.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
You have a box. It's a little box like.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Five by eight size. You put a mouse in there
and you fill it with the gas, and the mouse
goes to sleep, and then you open the box and
all that gas escapes into the air and you're breathing it,
which is not good for you. So I came up
with the way that sucked the gas out of the

(17:50):
box before you opened it.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
M that's cool that they care enough about mice to
sleep before.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh yeah, oh there's yeah, yeah. There's a lot of
rules and regulations and oversight and and they're pretty you know, pretty,
it's very well regulated.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So that's not how I thought it was. I thought
that they were just like I thought that I thought
in general, the consensus in the scientific community was just
fuck mice.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, yeah, it depends who you ask. I guess, I
mean because and that's where I found my niche because scientists, biologists,
you know, they know their research, they know they're a
lot smarter than me in a lot of ways, but
they don't know how to handle the mouth, and a

(18:43):
lot of times they didn't have the respect for the animal.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So I was.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Able to go in and help them do things better,
more respectful for the animal, and better for the animal,
and safer for them, and help them, you know, past
all the inspections and regulations and things like that.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Nice nice, nice, nice. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. You're, uh,
you got divorced from I mean, I don't you didn't
even get divorced. You just I think the horse, well whatever, Actually,
I mean, I guess he probably didn't know a lot
because he's a horse, or maybe he knows horses no stuff. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, they have good memories, for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Janet, Is there anything else you want to say to
the people of the computer before we go.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes, I would say that, uh, do you agree that
animals sleep and they dream?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Do I agree that animals dream? I think so?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Like I've seen, uh, I got a Golden Retriever back
home with my family and I've seen it have nightmares
and ship.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, like they're running and they were, so their unconscious
mind is dreaming, right, So if they have an unconscious mind,
they have a conscious mind. And if they have a
conscious mind, they are pretty similar the way they think.
There's a lot of differences, but they have feelings, they
have consciousness.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well, thank God for for consciousness. I don't know why,
but I.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Said, no, you did well.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Thank you very much, Janet.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Awesome, thanks for calling.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Have a good one all right, love you, love you too. Bye.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
People got they got people. Gotta be telling them I
love them again. Ah. Fuck, I couldn't. I couldn't. I
couldn't leave Janet on hold. I'm not but you know what, whatever, whatever,
who cares about anything? Who cares about anything? I feel
good right now. That was a nice converse issue with Janet.
I feel good right now. I've been talking a lot

(21:03):
about Uh. I think I've been talked a lot of
the past few episodes about uh being in like a
weird existential crisis state and the antidote to that. Besides
you know, I mean fucking you know, I'm gonna go

(21:23):
get on meds or whatever. But I think the antidote
to that is like bringing yourself back to uh fucking
reality by uh, like doing things, not giving your brain
too much time to just fucking spiral. So I, yeah,

(21:47):
feeling good. Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up man? How you
doing good?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Are you doing?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
H I'm actually doing pretty good.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I haven't taken phone calls in like a week or two.
I was just kind of focusing on like chilling out
and stuff. And I'm actually I'm feeling pretty good. I
feel very connected to reality in this very moment.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
That's good. You're sorry in Japan, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was. I was in Japan for two months. I
might go back. I have no I kind of don't
really know what I'm gonna do with my life moving forward,
but yeah, I might go back. It was a great time.
It was a great time. It's interesting being back in

(22:44):
New York. It's a different vibe, but there is it
is nice to be in a place where you speak
the language and you feel a little bit more like
you belong there in some sense. But yeah, man, that's
that's what's up with me? What's up with you? Sir?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh goodness, sorry, I'm like very nervous. I know, the
lowest sikes thing I'll ever do. I've just I've just
been calling for a while. I've been listening to you
for a while. You got me through a very rough breakup,
So thank you for that. Cool cool, yeah, yeah, but
right now, let's see just like, well what I want

(23:23):
to talk about kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, sure, sure, I mean any anything, man, I'm not
I'm not pressed. Well yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean I've been listening to you
and when one reason I really resonate with you is
because you're you went to school for film, uh, and
so have I. I'm in Denver right now, I've got
a film degree, and I'm kind of just like I'm
so back and forth between I got something I can

(23:54):
do something with this, and also like it's a waste
of my time. Sometimes I'll just kind of feel like
an idiot because I do a little comedy sketches, you know,
and there's such a back and forth between I really
got something here, I gotta keep trying, or you know,
it's time to do something else.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, When you well, yeah, I'm I'm curious about a
few things. When you say I really got something here,
what does that mean? What do you feel like you've got?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
I feel like I got to create a bone, you know.
I feel like I can't be doing anything but creating. Yeah.
I love comedy. I love sketch comedy. I love everything
about it. And every time I'm like filming something, I
create something. There's no other feeling like that for me.

(24:46):
It's it's Yeah, it's such a great feeling to really
have something out there that's like mine.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I don't know, so uh if you really so, I
guess what's the dilemma here? Is like are you is it?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Like?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, here's here's the thing. And I'll go on
a little bit of a spiel. Is it like dreaming
of being able to do it for money?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
That's also the struggle because like, I just posted something
on YouTube. I just revamped everything. It's like my first
video up there, and I know it's such a stupid
thing to post something and hope for views and like attention,
because that's kind of what it's all about. But at
the same time, if I'm not posting stuff because I

(25:37):
like it and it's authentic to me, then there's no point.
But I I feel so driven by like by views
and not same but like like a following and yeah,
you want.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
People to see it. Yeah, if you're gonna work hard
on something, yeah you want people to see it.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
How long you've been doing this for? So?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean, I it all started because I was on
decided coming into college, and so was it like my
sophomore year of college. I was like, I have no
fucking clue what I want to do. And then there's
film club, you know, and then I made Uh, I
pitched my idea and we made it. It's like a
film noir stoner murder mystery and our bond gets murdered.

(26:25):
So that that was super fun and I just really
fell in love with it from there, and so I
kind of been on and off, but right now I'm
trying to be more consistent with it. But yeah, that's
whet started with me. And right now I'm at I
got like a few videos in my stockpile, and I'm
trying to upload weekly.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Are you uh, you just graduate from college? Like, are
you like twenty two?

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, I'm twenty two, but I got my last quarter
here coming up, so I'm about to graduate, and it's
been freaking me out.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's freaking you out about it.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
It's just I feel like I'm very reliant on my
parents still, and it's kind of like leaving college, especially
going into something that's like intense, as like film, trying
to break into that because you've got to be NonStop
and relentless, you know, you gotta be able to take
it on the chin. And sometimes I worry about having

(27:24):
that just thought I've been having. It's like that hunger
almost if that makes sense, like really being hungry for
it and if it's yeah, but it's sometimes I'm sitting
there and it's I struggle with being productive and doing
things I want to do, and sometimes I'm like, am
I hungry? That's something that some people just have and

(27:45):
some people don't or do I have to tap into it?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, I've wondered that too. I Mean some people are
just like it's it's interesting sometimes you like see other
people and you just have this image in your brain
that like something in their fucking like brain chemistry allows
them to like flawlessly, with zero resistance do things, and
you get a little bit jealous. You're like, well, fucking

(28:12):
I wish that my brain worked that way, and I don't.
It's interesting because I do actually believe that some people
are just wired fucking differently than other people. But with
with the stuff that you're telling me, now that I've like,
I'm from a place of like, oh, I've run the

(28:33):
gamut of like, uh, you know, having a following and
all that stuff is like, well do you do do
you stand up or do you do anything? Like in person?

Speaker 4 (28:43):
I don't do anything in person, which I've been really
I need to get my uh what do they call it?
The five minute stand up? There was it? Quote? Again,
I don't know, but I've been like wanting to get
into it, you know, but I gotta like sit down
and write an act.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Are you are you gonna stay in Denver? Like is
that where you grew up?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I I grew up in Virginia. Okay, Yeah, I came
out to Denver for school and just kind of shows
film out here after the fact. But yeah, Denver has
a pretty good stand up scene.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, are you. Are you planning to hang out in Denver?
Are you gonna try to go to like l A.
Are you gonna go back to Virginia? Are you just
kind of gonna go wherever you can find a job?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
See that that's another thing. This is why I like
the whole graduating costs. It's like freaking me out because
I got nothing planned out. You know, I'm trying to
think like I can if like I am uploading these
YouTube videos and I have my like group of friends
out here who help me out, I'd stay here and
keep doing that and work a job.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Do you friends your friends out there in Denver?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
I got lots of good friends right here.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
And and do you make videos with them?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
You know, so I have a lot. I have a
lot of thoughts about your situation. Actually, I have a
lot of thoughts.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I'd love to hear them.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
What I would say is that, first of all, the
fact that you're like a young guy and you have
friends that want to make videos with you, please please understand,
please understand this that having a following is great and all,
but having a being like a young guy and having

(30:35):
a group of like other young folks and you're together
making videos and you're having fun whatever you do through
your attempts at trying to be viral and trying to
have a following. Still, you know, there's a lot of like,
you know, we could sit here and do business class
and I could say things like, you know, you have

(30:56):
to kind of make content in the context of short
short form video, and the way that they kind of
teach you to make stuff in film school is completely
antithetical to how things work in the real world. And
those are all things you should be thinking about and whatever,
and you should still be striving to have a following.

(31:16):
But just please the fact that you've got a good
group of friends and you guys are making videos together
and you're talking about jokes and you're laughing, and maybe
you get into the stand up scene in Denver or
the sketch scene in Denver, and you work, you're fucking
whatever thing you need to do to make money during
the day, and you're hanging out with your friends making

(31:38):
stuff at night, revel in how much fucking fun that is.
You know, don't be too don't be too like if
you get don't be too hung up on like, oh,
I gotta get out of my day job, like, you know,
if you got to fucking go wait tables or be
a barista or whatever and live in a thing with

(32:00):
like five other dudes. You know, just at least for
right now, just just revel and how fucking fun that is.
Like you, you just are in such a position to
just have so much fun, you know, regardless of how
many people like are seeing the shit and you it's

(32:21):
still it's good to I think, be ambitious and to
be like, Okay, that didn't work. Maybe we try it
like this, and maybe you scroll on TikTok one night
and you're like, oh, this person's doing it like that.
Maybe I'll try something like that, like just if anything.
But the thing I want you to know is like
revel in the joy of the process of where your
life is at right now, because from where I sit,

(32:42):
your life seems really cool and fun, you know, to
have again to confidence and have a group of friends
that want to make this videos with you, and to
be in a place like Denver where it's like, you know,
it's not as cut throat and fucking like you know,
brutally expensive and vast and expansive as as you know

(33:05):
in La or in New York, or whatever, But there's
still so many I don't know exactly what the comedy
scene is, like their shout out to what is it?
The comedy comedy work, Shout out comedy work. I love
the comedy Works.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
You got the comedy just going there tonight?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh who you seeing Josh Oh cool cool, shout out
the Comedy Works. That's one of my favorite comedy clubs
in the country. It's a great place. But like, dude,
go do the open mic at the comedy works. Go
explore the old scene. Go start a sketch show at
some fucking bar, Go do right your five minutes and

(33:43):
get into the thing, and your friends go with you.
Like I don't know, Just dude, Like you know, here's
the thing being having a following, and like you know,
it's it's, it's it's good, it's it's it's a good
thing to strive for. But just the where you are

(34:04):
right now is just so fun and you should just
like enjoy the fun of it and enjoy the process
of it. Because here's the thing. If you're not enjoying
the process of it, right, it's like it's not gonna
change suddenly once you have twenty four thousand TikTok followers
or whatever the fuck. So, I don't know, I'm excited

(34:25):
about your life. I think it's you know, if that
if that's helpful, if that makes you feel better in
any way, shape or form. You know, I think you're
entering actually a very fun and exciting time, you know,
where you're in a community and you're in this thing
with your friends. I think it's cool. So that's that's

(34:46):
my I don't know if that's advice, that's just my
that's my perspective on your situation.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
No, that's I mean, that's really just they you know,
if I if I spend my time going after the following,
because that's just kind of a byproduct, like you said,
just spending time with your friend, you know, doing doing
like something you love so much. And I'm just like recently,
I'm just so strung tight, you know, really anxious about
everything going on, when I could just really kind of

(35:15):
and enjoy what I'm doing because I didn't really think
about it, like you said, Because even if I have
to wait tables or whatever, I get to like, you know,
twenty two, I'm young, and I get to go out
there and do all that stuff, and it's just yeah,
it's just figuring that out without like I don't know,
I say, the anxiety of it all just kind of

(35:36):
gets to me and it kind of kind of it
can take away from that.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Lot is the is the anxiety? Is the anxiety about?
I mean, I know it's about a lot of things,
but like if you had to pick it apart, you know,
what's it about?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, I mean definitely recently it's been what the hell
am I doing after college?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Because I mean there's just god, there's just so much.
I've been going back and forth on.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, go ahead, what are the options?

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah? I mean right now, I mean I'm graduating with
just a film degree, and I know how you feel
about film degrees, and I'm like, I'm trying to figure
out if I go back to school and get a
second degree for a.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Second and get a second degree for what?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Right Well, I was thinking like going back to marketing
and then I could do something with like commercials or
production commercials stuff like that, but then like exactly for what?
And then it's just kind of like a is it
a split focus thing if I go back and get
a second degree, or should I just like graduate with
my film degree? And run with it, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean are you are you no shame in it?
By the way, but are your parents helping out or
would you go into more debt?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
No, my parents are helping me.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
All right, all right, I mean another I'm not I'm
personally not a fan of like getting another degree, especially
if it's like if you want to go I mean look, yeah, like,
well are you thinking like you're going to go like
be a PA or something?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Uh goodness. So, I mean I I've talked to people
in the industry and because I like directing and writing
my sketches, and then they're always like, if if you
go in and be a PA, you're gonna be stuck
in the kind of the crew side of things. So
like they're saying, go work at an agency. Was there

(37:40):
a suggestion, what kind of interesting like an acting agency?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Oh okay, it's not a horrible idea.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, because they're like, the only thing you need is
is like grassroots connections, so you go work at one
of those. And she was like, don't go to grad school,
go work here that you'll learn everything you need to know.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I don't. I also don't. I also don't love the
idea of a second degree.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Yeah, why do you say that?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I'm curious, well, cause like what do you? What do you?
I guess I just don't nothing you've said that you
aspire to do. Requires If you told me that you
wanted to do biology research, I'd be like, yeah, you
need a second degree. Or if you told me you
wanted to be a lawyer, I'd be like, yeah, you

(38:27):
need a second degree. But it being like you've said
nothing where that makes me feel like you need to
go get a second degree.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah. I think I'm almost like preemptively planning my failure
if that makes sense. Oh sure, I'm kind of like
making a fall black plan. I was even thinking of
going back again, like like a teacher certificate, so I
could do that.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
While I'm like, yeah, but you could. You can always
do that later, you know. I don't know if I'm again,
if I'm, if I'm you, I'm I'm like, uh okay,
I'll do whatever thing to make money. And if it's
film adjacent, then great. PA work sucks ass though, And
it's not gonna if you because if you're if you're
a PA, then you're gonna be like, by the way,

(39:13):
just for the listeners, I know, that, uh, this conversation
might be alienating to ninety nine percent of people, but
rarely do I feel it's it's f funny because sometimes
people will ask me for advice on stuff and I'll
be like, I don't know what the fuck to say,
but this, being twenty two and graduating from film school,
I'm like this, I feel actually genuinely very primed to

(39:34):
give advice about this, So I'm that's why this conversation
has lasted so long. But anyway, Uh, you know, yeah, Pa,
work would suck because you don't want to be in
some job that's like, you don't want to be in
some job that's like eighty fucking hours a week, you
know what I mean? Like, yeah, do some shit that's

(39:55):
like if it's industry adjacent, then great, but if it's
just some fucking bullshit nine to five marketing job in Denver,
and like at night you can go out and do
stand up and make sketches with your friends. Like again,
I think that you can have a fun, cool life.

(40:17):
You can have a fun, cool early twenties doing that.
I really do think that's it's it's fun to I
don't know. Again, I don't know exactly what's going on
in the Denver scene. But there's something going on, and
you know, you can build locally by again having sketch showcases,
and if you have a bunch of friends there, that's great.

(40:39):
I mean, you know, by the way, like when you're
saying like because you said to me, you were like, oh,
I really got something, you know what I mean. The
potential of being able to make a living or the
fleshing out of the thing that you feel like you've

(41:03):
got is not going to happen in your day job.
It's gonna happen on the internet, and it's gonna happen
when you're hanging out with your friends talking about comedy
and making jokes and doing things in the physical Denver scene.
So I don't I really just wouldn't stress out about

(41:24):
your day job that much, you know, I mean, I
wouldn't stress out about any of this stuff that much
because again I would just be reveling in the fun
of it, because it is such a it is a
joyous thing I think to be a part to have
a community of friends and people who you can work

(41:46):
on this kind of stuff with. So that's what that's
That's okay, that's the baseline. I would go at this
from it's like, I'm having fun making stuff with my friends,
and I'm making enough money that I can live on
my own without my parents' help. And then on top
of that, and then on top of that, you can
go like what's best for the algorithm or you know,

(42:06):
whatever the fuck. But so that's that's that's all I
really have to say.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that makes perfect sense. And
right now I'm trying to figure out how to just
relax a little bit, you know, yeah, yeah that should
go well. But yeah, you you inspired partly. I think
you subconsciously inspired the sketch I just uploaded. It's a
guy in a frog costume. It looks a lot like

(42:32):
the geck across the Magic frog Man.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
The Magic frog Man.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I love it, The Magic Man.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I love it. I love it. I feel I feel
like a magic frog Man every day. That's not even
really are what's your name again? Pierce? Yeah, Pierce, Pierce,
great talking to you, Piers. I'm again if it makes
I hope it makes you feel better. I hope it
makes you feel better too that I'm sitting here and
I'm like, oh, this guy sounds like he's in a

(43:00):
fun adventure.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, totally. I mean also makes me feel better seeing
someone as like creative as you making it. You know
that always helps.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, thanks man, I appreciate your kind words. Is there
anything else you want to say to the people of
the computer before we go?

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah? Would you be cool with me shouting out my
YouTube channel? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, it's a dumpster champagne. One word.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Hold let me, I'm gonna audit. You hold on dumpster champagne, Yeah,
dumpster sham pain? How fuck do you spell champagne? Hold on?

Speaker 4 (43:40):
I know, right?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
How the fuck? Hold on? Dump dumpster?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Campaign a right? Dumpster said? How do you fucking spell
this again?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
C h A MP? Oh my god? Wait yeah, oh wait,
I got it, I got it, got it?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Okay the magic frog man. Okay, here you go. This
is you. You look? Why what is this? A? Is
this a mug shot?

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Okay? So funny, funny story. I was trying to get
into Uh there's like a school trip to India and
I had to get a visa, but I didn't have
like a passport photo. So I showed up like like
ten minutes late to my passport photo picture. They maybe
put on that like the purple shirt, and then they
took that picture and I wasn't allowed into India. Actually,

(44:33):
they wouldn't let me in.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh ship, do you have to wait? Do you the way? Wait?
Do you show up at the airport and they sent
you back?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
No. I was trying to apply for a visa. I
literally went to the embassy in DC and they denied
me like four times.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well they don't want fuck them, fuck them all. I
don't just never mind. All right, man, have a good
rest of the night. Pre al right.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I love you, Ba, you.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Know, like I said, I know I alienated a lot
of I know that was a I know that was
an inside baseball kind of a call. But you know again,
it's like that's a bit of the perspective I think
I've gained over the years of doing this, and because
I spent some time in like a local comedy scene

(45:21):
when I was in college and whatnot. Is like it's
just fun. Like I think you forget that you always
when you're like doing things and you're kind of trying
to make a living doing it or trying to make
a name for yourself or a following or whatever, you
kind of forget that, Like oh this is supposed to

(45:44):
be fun, you know, but good luck, Pierce. Hey for real, Hey, Hey, Hey,
what's uh? What's that? What's your name?

Speaker 5 (45:58):
My name is a little bit hard to pronounce, but
I hope you try your best.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It's moaz moiz mois what's up? Where are you calling from?

Speaker 5 (46:09):
I'm from Germany. Actually, well I was born and raised
in Syria, but I've been living here for the good
part of nine months. So nine months, nine years I meant, sorry,
so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Okay, nine years from Syria. I've been living in Germany
for nine years.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Cool Man's what's happening with you?

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Well, I'm going to be completely real with you. It's
around eleven pm right now, and I was feeling incredibly
lonely and a little bit depressed, and I got a
notification that your stream started, and yeah, I've been listening
to your show for the past few years now three years,
I guess, since the pandemic cool or actually, yeah, the

(46:58):
pandemic is now five years ago. Yeah, a long time listener,
first time caller to guess. Definitely a big sound of
the show man to guess.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Thank you, sir. Great to hear from you. What's as
your Uh yeah, I'm familiar with eleven PM loneliness depression
for sure. What's uh? I mean, well, it's you know
what's funny is I've been thinking a lot, Like I
was about to ask what was on your mind? And

(47:27):
then I was kind of like, you know what's funny
is I'm really I've talked about this on the podcast before,
probably recently, but like I'm really torn between like it
is the cure for depression or whatever? Is it like
talking through your problems or is it distracting yourself from

(47:50):
your problems? And you know, I don't know, I haven't
come to an internal consensus on that, but well let
me ask you are you feeling? Are you feeling a
talk through or a distraction?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
I'm actually more on team distraction, so to be honest
with you, yeah, because you know, in the last few years,
whenever I listened to your podcast, kind of an afterthought
that I have is what would I want to talk
to you about whenever I eventually make it, And so
what I always thought about was telling you about, you know,

(48:28):
the last nine years of my life and what I've
done with them since I've came to Germany. If you
would be interested in hearing that. I would be more
you know than glad to tell you all.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
About it you're here or hit me.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
So, like I said, I was born and raised in Syria,
and we came around here twenty sixteen with my family,
so we're war refugees basically, and since then a lot
has happened. I mean, I was seventeen years old at
the time. I didn't speak any German or anything like that.

(49:03):
But my parents were the typical immigrant parents, so you know,
they wanted us to succeed as fast as we could
and as hard as we could sort of say. And
so I went directly to a high school at the
time and managed to get my diploma within the normal

(49:23):
range three years. And after that there were way too
many options open for me, so to say. And for
the longest time, actually, I was really interested in video games,
you know, playing video games and how they're made and
all that, and so I was definitely interested in studying,

(49:45):
you know, game development. However, in Germany, and I guess
all over the world most likely, that is not something
offered in public universities or public colleges community colleges as
they call them in the US. I guess, and so
it was a privilege that I didn't have at the time,

(50:05):
and so I decided to study computer science instead, and
just last year I managed to finish my bachelor's degree.
And yeah, I have to say, man, it's been an
insane journey. A lot has happened. Last year in particular,
has been you know, an incredible milestone. I managed to

(50:27):
finally get my German citizenship, I landed my very first
you know, big corporate job, like I said, graduated UNI
and everything. And I guess this year is starting off
a little bit slower because there's not much going on anymore,
and there's no goal to chase, if you know what
I mean. And so I guess all this emptiness is

(50:49):
kind of coming from that. Like ever since we came
to this kind of new country, there's always been something
to chase and something to run after. But this year,
in particular, there's not been anything to motivate me to
you know, do more or like there's no new milestone

(51:11):
to catch up to.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It makes eight thousand sense. But why and forgive me
if you explained this already, but why is it that
this year specifically, there's nothing to go after.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Well, you know, ever since we were here, I had
either school or college, and there was always something for
me to work towards, whether that's you know, finishing school
or finishing college. But ever since I landed my job,
I basically try to live for the weekend, and whenever

(51:51):
I am at the weekend, there's kind of this dread of, oh,
the week is about to start again, and I'm losing
time and I'm not doing another and all of that.
Even though please don't get me wrong, I love my job.
My job is, you know, everything that I've ever dreamed
of and more. But it's still, you know, forty hours
a week. You still spend more time at work than

(52:12):
with your friends or family, And so I feel like
life is passing me by a little bit. I guess, yeah,
I don't know. Some it's like that in that realm,
more or less, we're around the same age. By the way,
I think, I'm like, I don't think i'm twenty six.
I think you're twenty seven. I'm not sure, yeah, yeah,

(52:33):
but yeah, m m.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, so you say that life is passing you by
and that you don't have any like things to go after,
and by the way, I'm having like a similar thing.
Not to push it back to me, but like you know,
I'm having a bit of a similar thing going on.
I'm curious when you say that, like, don't you get

(53:01):
to kind of decide for yourself if you have any
things you want to push towards and in that sense,
like do you not have any other goals or any
other like things that you want to do.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Now that's a good question.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
I mean I try to think about that around Christmas time,
kind of setting my New Year's resolutions or goals for
the coming year, and I was only able to think
of really long term stuff like, for example, I'm single
at a time being, and so I was trying to
maybe get back into the dating world or maybe try

(53:41):
out new hobbies and all of that. And then I
was thinking about stuff even more long term, like eventually
buying a house or some sort of property. But that's
not something you know, realistic in the next few years.
But I have to some extent try to stick to
those goals, you know, trying out new stuff of new hobbies,
for example, magic the gathering. Actually, even though I'm not

(54:06):
that big of a of a card game guy, I
want I went to a local tournament recently, and it
was it was pretty fun, even though a little bit
scary and a little bit intimidating. But uh yeah, but
you know, like you said, at the end of the day,
it's like eleven pm, I'm sitting here and talking to
a guy with a on in a get go suit

(54:26):
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
It's true. It's true. It's true.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah. I've been thinking about this for myself a lot
of like how do I because I have a weird
obsession with like I you know, I kind of snapped
recently and was thinking about how short life is, and
like I want to be doing something every day to

(54:53):
make it so that uh my, I was like, how
am I gonna make make it so that at twenty seven,
like when I'm thirty, like my life feels like it's
progressing forward, you know, and then like what does that
look like? Does that look like some radical action or
does that look like doing some shit for an hour

(55:15):
a day?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
You know?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
And so I don't know. I guess it's like you, yeah,
these long term goals, it's like how do you break
them up into like some shit that you can do
every day or every week or you know, like how
do you make shit manageable, right, and like, what do
you want yourself to look like in you know, X

(55:37):
amount of years? You know, do you want to learn
French or whatever? The fuck? And like yeah, how do you?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Oh god know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Like how do you how do you progress? How do
you move life forward? It's an interesting question. It's a
conundrum I'm dealing with myself, and I don't know. I
don't know, I don't know. I'm just trying to like
fucking pick something and do it and keep it going.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
No, you don't have to worry about that, man, I mean,
I guess it's at least comforting to know we're all
in the same boat.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
No, yeah, of course you can't. Yeah, you can never
get out of it. You can never escape. I thought
I could rest on my laurels for a little bit,
because that's what happened is I was like, Okay, I was,
I did this successful thing, and I can just rest
on that. And there is a lot of I'm not

(56:38):
I would be lying if I said there was zero
comfort in that. But I also I also I was
talking to my friends the other day. No, it was
like with my friend last night, and I was like, man,
I don't want to be like, you know, thirty eight
years old, ten years from now and being like, you know,
I used to be the therapy gecko. You know what

(56:59):
I mean. I gotta like keep figuring out shit to do.
You know, your life never it never lets up funny,
you know, I mean even even sorry, like.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
A forty year old gecko, a fourty year old geck
is pretty funny, you have to admit.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, I mean who who knows? But I mean even
like our our caller from earlier, uh Janet, I mean
she's sixty and she's was we were talking and she
was like, yeah, I have plans and I have ideas
and I have you know, things I want to do,
and it's like, you know, it never ends. But that's

(57:39):
like that's good, right because once you you don't want
to be done, that's when you're just gonna wither if
that happens. I don't know if anything I've been saying
is relevant to any to what you were talking about.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
But.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
No, no, man, I told guess what you mean. This
actually kind of reminds me of you know, the sissifs meme,
the guy that's pushing the rock up the hill. Yeah,
I guess we're all kind of in that motion, and
you have to you have to imagine SIPs enjoying his
his his journey.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
You know.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
It's not about the goal, it's about enjoying every day,
enjoying pushing up that boulder.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, it's a way. It's a weird balancing act, right,
because you want to just enjoy fucking life as it is.
You want to be able to go see a movie
without hating yourself, but you also wanna, you know, keep
moving things forward. And everyone's brain is wired so differently,
Like some people just genuinely don't Some people genuinely are

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very happy to just like not do anything and that's great.
And other people are wired in this weird way where
they're like, I have you know, I have to do
shit or else I will go insane. And it is
probably something to be said about understanding your own wiring

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and making plays towards it. Man, it's so fun how
it's so funny how I think about these things when
I'm like talking about them to other people on my podcast,
versus when I am alone and depressed at eleven pm
on Reddit looking for answers of some kind. You know,

(59:29):
I'm trying to watch less motivational content.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I'm like, I've I've found myself recently looking I'm like
looking for answers, whether it's like on the Internet or
from other people or whatever. And part of me throws
up my fucking hands after. I like after, because supid Instagram. Right,

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you look at one motivational thing and then it's and
then all of a sudden, now like it's everything. You
know that it just keeps showing you and showing you,
and I'm I'm like, the answer, I'm like, this tweet
is not going to have the answer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
The answer is first of all, there might just not
be an answer A and you have to accept that.
And then second of all, the answer is going to
be within my own stupid balls. So I got to
look there and not on Reddit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
I guess, well, will you will you let me know
if you find something in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I will let you know if I find something that's
helpful in my balls for you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Well, I actually wanted to say when you were on
your on your Instagram thing. I love the hope core
videos on TikTok. You know, the slide shows. Those always
it for me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Sometimes they're stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Sometimes there's just full of dark soul memes, but you know,
they hit the spot most of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, I know, I like those too. I like those two.
I think I'm just I'm at a point now where
I'm just fed up with like, you know, at what
point do I am? I? Like, you know, I trust
myself enough that I don't need it. But maybe that's
not true. Maybe that's bad. Actually, maybe it's good to
be constantly trying to learn from other people and other things.

(01:01:30):
And you know, I mean that's one of the fun
things about doing this podcast is uh, I'm constantly getting
to like learn from other people, and then I get
to share that with other people too, so you know,
it's cool. Yeah, let me think what enoy you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Know, as a watcher and a listener for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Sorry, no far, you go ahead, I was gonna say anything, Okay, I.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Was gonna say I was gonna that as a long
time listener.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Uh, you know, for the past few years.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
It's actually also very clear that about actually very clear
how much you're learning about yourself in the in the
whole process. You seem to, you know, kind of more
and more share stuff about yourself and it's kind of
you know, it makes the whole thing a little bit
more authentic. You know, I know you're this is awn
entertainment thing or whatever, but it still, you know, gives

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off a vibe of authenticity, which I think most listeners
connect very well to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
That's a part of why the show is so successful,
whether it's you know, the live shows or the streams
or the podcast itself. So, you know, kudos to that
had thought.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Thanks man, Thanks man. I was gonna ask you where
in Germany are you?

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
Oh, I am in Lower Saxony. I wouldn't want to,
you know, say that exact city, but I'm on Lower Saxony. Actually.
I bought tickets to see both of your show in
Amsterdam and Berlin last year, and I was sick for
both days. Around next year again or I don't know
what I would do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah, I'll try. I'll try to come around. I'll try
to come around. Yeah if I once, I gotta I
gotta kind of build up some new act or some ship.
But I'll try to come around. I always have a
good time in Amsterdam and Berlin. Beautiful places, beautiful places.
Huh what's your name again? I know you said, it's

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hard to pronounce.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Yeah, it's it's Moas, but worries people call me mo also,
so that would be fun Moasas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
It's been lovely talking to you. It's been lovely talking
to you, man. Is there anything else that you want
to share with the people of the computer before we
scadadle on out of here?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Keep grinding, keep hoping, and take care of your bets.
And I really hope I end up on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Oh yeah, this will be. This will be. This will
be in the podcast. This will be in the podcast. Great, mo,
take care, I have a go on, man, Bye bye bye.
I liked that guy. That was a lovely, lovely guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Hi, what's your name?

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Miranda?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Miranda? What's up? Miranda?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Right now? Walking on some railroad tracks?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Okay? You you make? Are you doing like a like
a Tumblr thing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
I guess it could be, but no, not really, I
guess you know, Ashley, this is crazy. We started. I started.
I took like a shroom gummy thing like about three
hours ago m hm, and then walked to a science
museum with for kids, went in there and now walking

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back on railroad tracks?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Are you are you tripping?

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I was more but not not too much. Now, I
kind of just feel like silly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
You kind of just feel like silly. That's good. That's good. Right,
So you're you're in like a come down a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Yeah, but not in a bad way. I've had like
bad comdowns. This one's kind of just like it's freezing
cold out and I want to not be outside anymore.
But it's like tolerable because it's just silly.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
M M.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Well let me, I mean, it's a what what is
it is? It's okay, it's completely okay if if not anything.
But did you have something particular you wanted to talk
about today?

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Dude, not really. I was just calling and calling and calling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
What is it that is? Well, let's do this. What's
your life like, Miranda, what's going on in your in
your universe?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Uh? I don't really know. I go to work and
I also don't go to work sometimes. And I like
to ski sometimes, and I like to go outside sometimes, yeah,

(01:06:40):
but also I like to go inside.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah yeah, but where.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Are you are you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Where are you are you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Walking through snow? I we're hearing a lot of snow crunches.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah, that's that's the that's the snow yep. Nice, it's
like it was. It was I don't know where you are.
You felt this, but it was like fifty degrees for
like a couple of days, and it was just a
nice sneak peak to spring and summer. And so I've
been thinking, like I need to go outside, like it's

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not as cold anymore, and then right now it's not
working out for me. There's no more sneak peak.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Well, what's your plan for the rest of the day
now that you've already uh done so much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Well, my boyfriend's like walking so far behind me. I
keep turning around and singing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Oh, okay, cool, this is cool. I thought you were alone,
which would be fine, but it's nice to have something
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
No, I'm pretty much alone. He's like twenty five feet
behind me. But I don't know. Today's like a weird
day because I haven't remembered. It's kind of nice, but
I feel like regularly I'm like super stressed out about
absolutely everything. But today's a nice day to forget about
life and just walk.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Okay, I won't. I want to ask you what's stressing
you out? If we can just walk? How's your boyfriend?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, he's good. I think he looks good, he looks happy,
he's I think he's also he was never surfing his
head as like I actually in the beginning of this,
we like parked at a trail head, like we were
walking on snow like the whole time. We parked at
a trail head and there was like a severed dear

(01:08:42):
leg just like hanging out there. No body, just like
the leg, and I had like just started feeling it,
and so I was like, what's the fuck, Like what
is going on? And then we started walking on the
trail and I looked back and my boyfriend would pick
up the He's like chasing me with it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Oh god, he picked up the severed deer leg. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah, I was like, put that shit down.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
What a fucking psychopath.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah. It was kind of like I don't know, it
must have been there. I don't know how long it
was there for, but it was like dry. It wasn't
like bloody. It was like it was like bone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Does he still have it? Does he? Well? It's funny
because I mean I know what it's like to be
walking around and pick up a stick, right and be like, oh,
I'm cool now I have a stick. But I don't
know if i'd do that with a deer leg.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, no, no, I wasn't, dude. I was surprised it
was in his hand. That's actually insane, and it was
freaking out so I started running. But it's like, dude,
I don't know. You never see just like a severed
animal leg.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
You don't. And that's probably a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Yeah, yeah, because you never see how the world really
works outside of society, Like you just like having to
kill for your food.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
You never see how the world really works outside of society. Yeah,
it sounds like this this deer leg really gave you
made you do some kind of existential questioning.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, dude, I've never had to kill for my food,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
No, you just make other people do it for you.
It's a great American way. I mean, it's a life way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
But we'll think about it and they become vegetarian, Miranda.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Is there anything else you want to say to the
people of the computer before we go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Go on a walk?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
More?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Go on more walks?

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I like that. I'll sign off on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
All right, all right, take care of yeah you too?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
By walking is good. I will sign off on that.
Do I have anything else to say? About walking. Uh,
it makes sense. It's probably my favorite thing to do
is to walk around. Okay, that's all I have to

(01:11:21):
say about walking. This has been a lovely episode. This
has been really fun. Thank you guys all for listening.
I am a gecko and uh yeah, I know, I
know the past couple episodes have been me going insane slowly.

(01:11:41):
But it's such a weird thing with this podcast, man,
like I'll have and this has been going on since
it started. And maybe this perspective is helpful to people,
maybe they can apply it to something going on in
their own life. But it's it's so weird because I'll
have like and again this has been going on all
five years that I've been doing this show. Is I'll

(01:12:02):
have like a month where I'm recording this thing and
I'm just like, I've fucking this is beyond me and
I can't I like this feeling of like I don't
know if I can be the like if I can

(01:12:23):
like show up to this, you know what I mean.
And then I'll have a month where I'm like, Wow,
this is so awesome. I'm so stoked to get to
talk to all these people and to have these like
It'll just like like I'll be in my brain thinking
like okay, well that's this is all. That's all over,
and you know now it's this is just uh, you know,

(01:12:44):
it's just gonna be despair forever. And then I'll have
a month where I'm like, wait, actually we're back. Things
are good, life is real, the world continues, you know.
And today today, recording the podcast today was definitely one
of those times where I'm like, wait, this is actually

(01:13:06):
pretty awesome. So thank you guys for listening, Thanks everyone
for calling, and I am excited to continue to be
a get go and talk to people about life and stuff.
Thank you very much. And oh once again, please'm in

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on Friday March fourteenth. Friday March fourteenth, I am doing
an art exhibition in Bushwick, Brooklyn on March fourteenth from
seven pm to ten pm and it's free and the closer.

(01:13:51):
I don't actually know why I decided to do this.
I was looking at my phone and I was like,
why the fuck am I doing this? And that? But
you know what, why the fuck does anyone do anything?
Come see my trash the exhibition. The exhibition is called
Lyle Forever presents Trash from around my room. Uh, you

(01:14:15):
can find the link in the episode description and uh
you can put your phone number in there and I'll
text you more details about it. And also if I'm
doing anything else, it's in Brooklyn, New York. Uh come
hang uh yeah, check the episode description for the link
to that. All right, thank you all very much for listening.

(01:14:37):
GEK bless see you around the universe. See see you
in a few days when I drop another episode of
the podcast. As always, okay, thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Akain goes on the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Line taking your phone calls every nine every week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
And goes to just teaching you the line exper