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August 26, 2022 15 mins

Social media platforms like Tik Tok and Facebook have finally banned misogynistic, violent scam influencer Andrew Tate. And honestly, it should have happened sooner. 

My piece at the Nation- It’s Not Just Joe Rogan. The Entire Digital Space Is Rotten.https://www.thenation.com/article/society/toxic-podcasting/

The Grid: Andrew Tate isn’t just another misogynist with an online following. Here’s why you need to pay attention. https://www.grid.news/story/technology/2022/08/23/andrew-tate-isnt-just-another-misogynist-with-an-online-following-heres-why-you-need-to-pay-attention/

Laura Bates on TANGOTI- full episode- https://www.tangoti.com/episode-214

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production
of I Heart Radio and Unboss Creative, I'm Bridget Todd
and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet.
Social media platforms like TikTok and Facebook have finally banned violent,
misogynistic scam influencer Andrew Taine, and honestly, it should have

(00:26):
happened sooner now. If you don't know who Andrew Tait is,
don't worry. He went from being relatively obscure to seemingly
being everywhere on social media within a few months. Videos
featuring his name as a hashtag have been viewed over
thirteen billion times, and before it was shut down, his
TikTok account had over eleven billion views. He had four
million Twitter followers, four point seven million Instagram followers, almost

(00:50):
eight hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, and millions and millions of
clicks and shares across Facebook. So who is Andrew Tate. Well,
Andrew Tate is kind of like Joe Rogan on steroids.
Just like Rogan, At one time, Andrew Tate was a
professional martial artist, and also, like Rogan, Andrew Tate did
a stint in reality television. Tate was on Big Brother

(01:12):
in where he was known for being really respectful and
thoughtful of others. Oh wait, sorry, just kidding. It says
here he was actually known for homophobia and violence against
women after a video surface where he was beating a
woman with a belt while screaming at her quote, if
you ever message another guy whether we're together or not,

(01:32):
you're fucking dead. Tate was kicked off Big Brother after
only being on the show for six days. Andrew Tate's
podcast is called Take Speech, and it's basically exactly what
you think it is. He's part of what we call
the man of Sphere, a loosely connected ecosystem of online
websites and influencers that traffic in misogyny and racism on

(01:55):
places like four Chan and Reddit. If you listen to
our episode with Laura Bates, a researcher and writer who
went undercover in the mano Sphere to research her book
Men Who Hate Women, then you know exactly what I'm
talking about. So Andrew Tate's whole thing is these clips
of him speaking on his podcast wearing sunglasses and doors
you know, like you do, and smoking a cigar while

(02:17):
he basically says the most violent, sexist nonsense that makes
him sound like an alpha male like. Here is his
take on why he is anti breakfast. This is an
actual quote from him. I don't have food in the mornings.
I don't like the idea of breakfast, waking up from
sleep instantly with available food that you didn't have to
hunt and kill. Breakfast breathes arrogance and laziness. I will

(02:40):
not eat until work has been done. Instead, I start
my day with hunger and memories. My path to the
top wasn't a straight line. There's been bumps in the road, tears, blood.
I sit and remember the worst times of my life,
the pain and the heartache. Some mornings, if I try,
I can almost cry. I take all that anguish and
pain and then add a little nicotine and caffeine to

(03:01):
set my blood on fire, and I enter the world
ready to win life or die. While I'm trying, angry
men siege nations. I don't have time for cheerios. The
universe will pay me what she owes me, all the
money and power I deserve. So yes, sounds pretty healthy.
Definitely sounds like someone who is going to help the
start to the day and encouraging others to do the same.

(03:24):
Andrew Tate's brand of hyper violence, toxic hyper masculinity, and
misogyny basically says that women are property of men. This
is something that he's actually said, and he advocates for
men using violence and relationships. He outright said that if
a woman ever asked him about cheating, he would physically
attack her. In a really good piece for Grid, reporter
Christian Thorsburg spoke to Josh Ross, a political sociologist and

(03:48):
senior research fellow at Deacon University in Melbourne, who says
that Tate represents a dramatic shift taking place in online misogyny,
moving beyond the sexualization and dismissal of women which much
of Tate's material promotes, to also encouraging gendered hate and violence.
So basically, it's not just men are better than women,
it's men are better than women, and therefore men should

(04:10):
be able to use violence in service of establishing and
maintaining that hierarchy. And this is even more troubling when
you consider that the majority of Tate's audience are young
men and boys. Teachers have been writing about how Andrew
Tate's popularity with boys has been creating problems and disturbances.
In their classrooms. So Tate is popular with boys, but

(04:32):
he's also really popular with young men who are just
starting to navigate their way into young adulthood. Going back
to Rus from that grid piece, Ruce also said, if
you want to know where Andrew Tate is gaining traction,
it's more likely to be the white collar sector. Among
educated younger men who work out at gym's on the
weekend or after work. Younger men are more likely to

(04:53):
hold anti women attitudes in terms of women's rights, that
women's rights has gone too far. So on top of
all of this, Andrew Tate is also a scammer. Let's
get that straight right away. He used to operate a
porn webcam business with his brother that his brother outright
described as quote a big scam, But that scam is

(05:13):
actually the least scammy scam that Andrew Tate is involved in,
because his whole thing, his whole ethos, his whole identity
is a scam. So I've actually written about the ways
that misogynistic podcasters and content creators and influencers who make
up the Manno sphere are all basically just scamming. They
prey on men and boys with low media literacy who

(05:36):
may feel lonely, get into their heads and convince them
to send over money. Podcasts like Fit and Fresh, the
late Kevin Samuel's they all basically convinced young men and
boys to send them lots and lots of money or
give them lots and lots of engagement in service of
learning how to become high value men. I actually wrote

(05:56):
a piece on this for the Nation, talking about the
Fresh and Fit podcast, which you can read in the
show notes. Let's take a quick break center back, so

(06:16):
let's talk about Andrew Tad's scam. Specifically, it is called
Hustlers University, where for the lolo cost of fifty dollars
a month, men and boys can learn about cryptocurrency from
three guys they Michael, Adam, and Daniel no less name given,
and learn about just the general concept of quote freelancing

(06:38):
from Dylan and Colston no last name given. Also, given
that Andrew Tad's audience mostly includes young men and boys,
don't worry. According to Hustlers Universities, frequently asked questions it
is not a problem if you are not a legal adult,
because they have plenty of young guys inside of Hustlers
University who are below eighteen and are pulling in several

(06:59):
thousand dollars a month. Do you have access to the internet.
That's all you need. By the way, this is a
little bit nipicky, but I just have to say it.
On the Hustlers University website frequently ask questions, it says
that you do not need any money to start because
most of the Hustlers University students are doing freelance work,
and that freelance work does not require any money to do.

(07:21):
Take it from an actual, honest to god freelancer, this
is just incorrect financial advice. You absolutely need money to freelance.
And when their tax bill comes, I hope the people
who were told that they need zero dollars to freelance
are not surprised when the government expects him to pay
self employment taxes. So again, you can see how he's

(07:41):
kind of praying on people who might not have a
lot of financial literacy or media literacy. And it's awful.
And it gets worse because guess what. The entire thing
is basically a pyramid scheme. Like most pyramid schemes, the
courses aren't really the thing. The thing is getting. There's
to sign up for the courses. Students of the program

(08:03):
got a commission for convincing other dupes to join via
affiliate marketing. So just like lu La Row and every
other MLM scam that somebody from your high school message
you about on Facebook who was all like, hey, hon,
have you ever thought about starting your own business? I
think you would really slay at it. It's a scam,
and honestly probably a lucrative one. According to The Daily Beast,

(08:26):
the program had some a hundred and nine thousand members
before its closure. And this is actually why you might
know who Tate is because Tate specifically told his students
to flood social media with videos of his content to
promote his scam university. According to Hope Not Hate, a
UK based advocacy group that uses research to challenge mistrust

(08:47):
and racism, Tate tells his supporters they can earn significant
sums by sharing his videos. In one podcast, he claimed
that a sixteen year old hustler University student was making
forty five thousand pounds a month from publishing his clips
on the TikTok, which is basically how he gamified the program.
Even though he's banned from TikTok his content is still

(09:08):
really prevalent there because his students just flood the space
with his content. And I think he definitely is someone
who needs social media. He's just game in the algorithms
because he knows that algorithms specifically boost inflammatory content. They
will always give content that is inflammatory or divisive more engagement.
Andrew Tate was a banned from Twitter back in seventeen

(09:31):
over a thread commenting on Harvey Weinstein where he said quote,
if you put yourself in a position to be raped,
you must bear some responsibility. I'm not saying it's okay
you got raped. And TikTok took down Andrew Tate's account
for breaking its policies regarding quote content that attacks, threatens,
incites violence against for otherwise to humanize as an individual
or group based on attributes including sex. This is what

(09:54):
a TikTok spokesperson told The Washington Post. He was also
kicked off Facebook and Instagram for violating the rules around
dangerous organizations and individuals. But as always, let's not give
the platforms too much credit. Pretty much, whenever they decide
to remove somebody who is dangerous from their platform or
make any kind of policy change like this, it's typically

(10:14):
because of the work of organizers who have been pushing
them behind the scenes, and this time it's no different.
Hope not Hate filed a petition for platforms to drop
Andrew Tate and has been monitoring him for years. So
great job to all the organizers who did the work
behind the scenes to make this happen. But also what
we learned from how Alex Jones uses Facebook. You might

(10:35):
remember that Mark Zuckerberg personally intervened so that even after
Alex Jones was banned from Facebook, he carved out a
loophole so that other people could still post his content
on the platform. Even though Tate has been banned from
these platforms, it might not actually even really matter if
his whole thing is having other people his students, post
his content on his behalf. And I also should just

(10:57):
probably note that in April, The Daily Beast reported that
Andrew Tate's house in Romania was rated as part of
an investigation into crimes of human trafficking in rape. Tate
lives in Romania, and in a now deleted YouTube video,
he said that the reason why he moved there is
because Romanian police were less likely to pursue sexual assault allegations,

(11:18):
Um so yeah, you tell me and to me, Andrew
Tate represents the mainstreaming of really violent, dangerous ideas and
rhetoric and those things, you know, not just being fringe
but flooding popular social media apps like TikTok. Tate has
also treated like a thought leader. He's given a huge
platform by popular podcasts like bar Stool, which gives him

(11:41):
a huge audience of a young man and boys and
hosts who really don't push back on any of the
dangerous things that he's saying. And overall, like I've said
time and time again, these people are all scam artists.
They do not care about their audience, They do not
care about the men and boys that they're talking to,
They do not care about the students of their so
called university. Ease to them, these men and boys and

(12:02):
their pain and loneliness and anger is just a tool
that can be exploited and weaponized to make more cash.
It is the most cynical, exploitative ship in the world
and it works. Listen. To be clear, I am not
against people asking tough questions and having the thorny media
conversations about relationships, sex and gender. In fact, I believe

(12:24):
that we need more people spearheading those conversations in meaningful
and thoughtful ways. But Andrew Tate is not actually interested
in men and boys having healthy relationships, because people who
are in healthy relationships do not send over fifty dollars
a month to a charlatan to teach them how to
be high value successful men. People like Tate need to

(12:46):
keep their audience of men and boys angry. They need
to stoke their feelings of loneliness and inadequacy and anger
and tell them to keep pointing those feelings at women
so they keep shelling over more money. So this is
my call to everyone listening. If you have a young
man or boy in your life, talk to them about
what kind of content they're consuming, talk to them about

(13:07):
what they think about women and girls, and you honestly
might be surprised. And it really really matters. The implications
are huge. Here's so Laura Bates, author of Men Who
Hate Women, put it during our interview. We've never really
seen it because we are at the kind of hovering
on the edge of the first real generation coming of

(13:27):
age who have lived their whole lives on social media.
We have this kind of unique political moment that never
really gets picked up on this. I find it wild
that we're living at this moment in history has never
happened before and will never happen again, and yet it's
never really discussed where a generation of non digital natives
is parenting and educating a generation of digital natives, and

(13:48):
there is this chasm, there, this huge gap in culture
and understanding of what their world is like, what the
day to day landscape of their online world is like
amongst parents who grew up in a pre Internet age,
and that general Asian will becoming of age, and what
will that look like when our political representatives are being
drawn from a generation who have literally grown up with

(14:08):
the sheer daily bombardment of racism and misogyny and transphobia
that comes with living your life on the Internet in
the way that young people do today. And I don't
think we'll know what that looks like until we get there,
and I think when we do, it will be a shock.
But for now, Andrew Tate, good riddens. And if this
means I have to see you one last video of

(14:29):
a guy wearing sunglasses inside and smoking a cigar on
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(14:51):
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