November 26, 2024 • 39 mins
There’s no sugar-coating it, being a mom is hard. In this episode, the Packers talk to someone who truly understands this: Kirsten Ferguson, a Peloton instructor, single mom of two young girls, and self-proclaimed president of the Ratchet Moms Club, an online community that Kirsten started so moms can be upfront about the messiness that goes hand in hand with raising kids. Kirsten opens up about the miscarriages she endured before having her kids, how she learned to parent post-divorce, and why it is so important to maintain her own mental health as a mom. Hear Kirsten and the Packers give voice to the real experiences of motherhood, in all its messy glory.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everyone, I'm Madison Packer. I'm a recently retired pro
hockey vet. I was a founding member of the National
Women's Hockey League, a pillar in the PHF, and an
inaugural member of the PWHL Sirens.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And I'm Anya Packer, also a former pro hockey player
and now a full Madison Packer stan.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Anya and I met through hockey and now we're married
and mom so two awesome toddlers, ages two and four.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And this is these packspots where we talk about everything
for professional women's athletes, to sports, to raising children and
all the messiness in between. Hello, everybody, welcome back to
your favorite duo. Madison and I are here. I cannot
wait to dive in. But most importantly, we have to
start with our hockey hot take. Hockey hot take.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right on. My hot take for the day is
that with the rise of women's sports right now, women's
hockey players are going to be the new hot kids.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
On the block, the new hottest, coolest hippist.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Really, that's your hot take?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I think so. I think that now that we've been
a part of a lot of things and we're seeing
kind of what goes on behind the scenes, of women's sports. Right,
it's not just what you see on screen, on the field,
on the court, et cetera. There's so much more that
goes into it. We're starting to get into those rooms.
There's a lot more space for a lot more hockey faces,
and we need to be in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I will say, just on growth, just on numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right, you spent eight years as a professional athlete in
the PHF getting all the shine, all the love, and
you netted that entire career with fifty five hundred followers.
People didn't care, not about you just in general, like
every athlete was in that same bubble. This last season,
you're now creeping up to twenty thousand, and that happened
like seemingly overnight.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I'm with you on that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And the other thing that we've recognized now is that
other athletes we kind of walk in with this predetermined
we're less than And every time we're in the space
and room with any of these other athletes, there's room
for you. There's conversations that include you, and they know
exactly what's going on. I think that, like the parody
is also generated by other athletes between you them, you
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know what I'm saying, like, I feel like as the wife,
I watch that connection really closely.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, yeah, and I think it's also who you surround
yourself with, right, Like you look at LC from Deep
Blue Sports and Entertainment, who made this whole iHeart slate
happen for all the women that are a part of
this women's sports slate. She is killing it in the
world of women's sports. She just knows everybody, and so
she's taking her agency work with Deep Blue and then
(02:48):
traversing that into panel opportunities events, getting all these athletes together.
And that's a big part of it, right, It's just
the sense of community and belonging to something, even if
it's not particular to hockey or whatever sport. Right, it's
the community aspect of we are all female athletes, and
as women's soccer does better, so does women's hockey. Right,
that's why we're here. We're riding the wave of them
(03:11):
keeping us relevant because for so long hockey has just
been a little bit behind, a little bit behind, and
now this huge boom is happening, so we're able to
enter on an already massively lit stage. Next year, the
buildings are going to be bigger, the crowds are going
to be bigger, Like, we just keep getting to do
more because these other sports have done so much, it's
allowed us to kind of learn from their roadmap. And
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now that they're starting to step into the light of
these behind the scenes, off the field, off the court
rolls again, there's being space made for us because you know,
we are fortunate enough that someone else has come before
and we're able to follow in those footsteps and take
advantage of the opportunities that are there for us.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It helps shine a light on all these spaces that
you wouldn't otherwise turn the TV on and see, Like
you know when you're on a panel with Millie Brighton
AJ Andrews.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Which is a whole different exposure.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Right, that's baseball, softball, soccer, Chelsea Field Club, all the things.
It's growing like crazy. It's starting to be that kind
of fame, and there's a whole dark side to that, right,
and that dark side is a little bit of a privilege,
right you get to be an athlete at the highest
level with the greatest job, and certainly like abuse has
no place, racism has no place, all of the really
damaging parts of the dark side, But like the lack
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of privacy is given, like there's some givens that are
dark about the situation and hoping everyone's safe.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But it does allow for.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
More light to be shown on the entire product, which
I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, speaking of dark side, why don't we get into
where you're at? Do a little check in today?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You feeling dark? Like, what's going on? That little dark
in me?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So we'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I have a head cold.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Everyone can hear my nasily voice, so I would give
myself even sick.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think I'm like a thirty seven. I'm probably done it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's still pretty low, but it's higher than me. I'm
at like an eleven. My whoop says I'm at an eight.
I've been up since four thirty. Fly long flight, right
to the rink, skated right to the gym, workout, came home.
A bunch of stuff got left out while we were gone.
I missing the kids.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
It should have been me.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, the garbage didn't get taken out.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I actually won't clean the garbage because that's not an
Aya chore, that's a Madison chour. But I do appreciate
that's frustrating to come home to dirty garbage.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So we're in one right now. But after this we're
gonna tidy up a bit. You prepped food, so that
brought me up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's kind of what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like you're an eight, someone prepped you food, you become eleven.
Like there's not a day that is always perfect. And
I think living in that bumb era, especially as a mom,
especially with the grace to be that person, is so important.
And that's where Kirsten Ferguson is the best. She's all
the things. She's the president of the Ratchet Mom's Club,
she's a mom of two beautiful girls by herself. She's
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a peloton instructor. She's a runner, which we aren't.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Babe.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You always tell me I'm not running unless I'm being chased,
and all around somebody that just gets it. She's real,
she's a human being, and she's somebody that I am
excited to listen to pick us up out of this lull.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Let's talk to Kirsten Ferguson.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We'll be back with Kirsten right after the break. Kirstin,
I am so excited to talk. Obviously, we've kind of
hung out in a couple different scenes, but first time
we met was at a WNBA game. Madison and I
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were obviously like, who is this person? We need to
like you were sitting right in front of us. We
were like, this woman is gorgeous. Like, first of all,
let's talk. We come from different worlds, but we live
in the same Lifefe Madison.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Pro hockey player.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You are pro athlete, nonetheless bar none, and it's different, right,
There's a unique set of challenges. So talk to us
a little bit about the pro athlete life from the
lens of being a Peloton instructor.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, it's wild.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Peloton changed my life literally overnight. I was just stay
at home mom, just live in the life and was
teaching cycling as a hobby. And then the pandemic hit
and my life flipped upside down.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I walked through a divorce during the pandemic.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
While navigating life with two little ones at home. So
it was a scary time for sure. And then out
of nowhere, I got a DM from Peloton like hey, you.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Want to audition, and I'm like what, But it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Was also just like a beautiful moment, like have you
ever been in a state of chaos? And then something
just so incredible and amazing takes you out of that
space and you're able to zone it on something else
besides the absolute chaos you're in. And so that was
Peloton for me, and now it is literally every day
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is a different set of amazingness and challenges all at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So it's been a whirlwind for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And what was that like, Like, I'm sure it had
to be hard, right, Everyone thinks back to COVID and
we were all isolated and alone. You mentioned, you go
through a divorce, you become a single mom, you get
reached out to you by Peloton, and then it's like boom.
There's professional athletes, right, and the celebrity and the status
that comes with that. But then being a fitness instructors,
particularly with Peloton, right, you are entering millions of homes
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that you may not even realize, and you all of
a sudden have this fan base and this following. Some
people you will never meet, lives you change that you
never know of. That's a different kind of celebrity, right.
Is it difficult to recognize sometimes that you are that
person to so many people, and so many of those
people you may never meet.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That's all interesting you bring that up, because it's true.
You know, even my ex husband, he played in the
NFL for ten years. He is an offensive as we
wore a helmet all the time, so no one they
knew his name, they knew his stature. But like walking
around on the street, you'd be like, he looks.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Like an athlete. I don't know who he is, but
he looks like an athlete.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But the difference with us is, you know, we are
in people's homes every day. It's not just on the
TV on Sunday. We are sharing our life story, our struggles,
are everything with our community every single day, and they
really look at us like we're they're best friends.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And so when they meet us, they're like, hey, how's
your kids?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
How's It's so weird, like how do you know so
much about me? And you're You're like Leslie five to
one from Portland and I've never met before.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It's cool, like when you meet them to put a
name with a face.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But it is so interesting to know that we are
impacting lives across the world and just encouraging them, whether
it's to get moving or maybe it's just a space
you need to breathe and mentally, you know, I created
this class called Attention Setting Sunday where I share affirmations,
and I just created it as a space and a
place to motivate as we're moving, as we're walking, challenging
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yourself physically, but also mentally and as a mom. That
has been game changer for me. And so to know
that I'm able to impact other lives across the world,
like that's ultimately my why and a win, you know
for sure?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean so for my connection to Peloton, Maddy
bought me a Peloton after I had Whalen, which was
COVID where he's four years old. But I did all
Kendle Tools rides and then Maddie met Kendall Tool at
an event and she was like, you pulled my wife
out of a really dark time.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Always something that can like immediately be like obvious. Like
people come to a hockey game, they're coming with the
idea that they're going there, they're jazz for the game,
they have their gear on whatever. I was like breastfeeding,
jumping on the bike, crying, not really doing the ride,
like just listening to her scream. And that's a that's
a different love Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
And it's so funny you said that because my first
connection to Peloton I got my bike as a push
president in twenty fifteen, So that was my first connection
to Peloton. And it's so interesting because I didn't know
then that why I got it, And you know, I
had a bunch of miscarriages and a journey to get
to where I was. And so once I had my
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daughter and I got on the bike, it was that
release for me. But I didn't know then that that
was going to be my purpose in life ten years later.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, it's so wild how life works. One thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So we went through a similar process where we started
fertility treatments immediately, right, like we have to go through
that life. I joke around, I'm like, we could try
every night, it's never going to work, Like let's let's
go to the doctor. So when we get married and
we kind of like immediately go into this process, hopes
are high and I get pregnant, We're excited to tell
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the family. We rock up to Thanksgiving only to find
out I'm.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Having a miscarriage.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And so I think, like for somebody that's gone through
that process, like where did the courage for you come
from to start to talk about such a damaging thing.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
You know, it was really because I know how I
felt it during that time, and I'm so sorry that
y'all had to walk through that, because there is.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Truly nothing worse.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I remember when I was walking through it how
lonely I felt. I felt like I was the only
person in the world that was going through it. I
felt like there was something wrong with me.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, damaged goods, like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Damaged goods like what what did I do wrong in
my past?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Why is this not happening for me? Questioning everything?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And so the reason why I'm so open about it
is because I want people to know like, unfortunately happens
so often.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And you're not alone in it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And also, the journey to motherhood looks different for everyone,
and it's not cookie cutter and it's not you know
what you read in fairy tale books. It could look
different for every single family. And I've really wanted people
to know that and accept that. And even if you
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are walking through something really hard and challenging, like we
both had to walk through, is to be able to
give somebody hope in that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And so if I could provide hope in that space.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I would win thousands, do it over and over and
over again and tell my story and really it was
also a form of healing for me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah. I mean I feel like the catharsist there, right.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, the more you talk about it, the more healing
it is, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think that's so powerful too. I Mean, Madison and
I do a lot of talking about mental health, about struggles.
I was very open about my postpartum depression with my children,
you know, and we kind of have a deal with
each other, like when the other one needs that check in,
like we're going to be there. We're going to give them.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
That space and grace.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And you say something like I had a miscarriage, And
I don't think that there's been a single person that
we've ever talked to that have children that haven't said
we went through something similar.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Or we had those struggles too.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But it's the unknown or the like mystery baggage that
we all carry that it somehow is easy. Maybe this
is like the high school us that like are so
afraid to like kiss that we're going to get pregnant, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Stuff is not easy to make these correct. I'm like,
I was so scared all my life and then all
of a sudden, when I actually wanted to happen, it's like, hello, yes,
I did all the things.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Why stop working.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's so true too, I think as athletes, and that's
not taking away from anyone's struggle, but I just think
in watching Anya go through it, like it was difficult
for me because I am on the other end of
this so disconnected, like there's literally nothing I can do, right,
But there's also nothing she can do. And I remember
the second time we came home and she was like, oh,
like I just I need to do this and I
need to change that. And I'm like, there's literally nothing
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you can do. But as an athlete, like you view
something not going well, or you want it to go
differently for you, you work harder, or you do more,
or you change this. And in this situation, like there's
nothing women can do. It's just literally fate in the
hand of God and waiting, and it's just really really
hard to watch people go through that. But it's in
a weird way, completely changed how I look at women
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in general, just because like so much of these stories
are not told and not shared, and so much of
what we go through is just behind a wall. And
I think that platforms like this and people like you
sharing their stories and being willing to talk about it
is letting women know that it's okay to talk about
it and creating a space for women to feel safe
and feel supported. Because I think, as you said, that's
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the biggest part is just there's so many people that
are going through this every day and they feel like
they're the only people going through it. And I think
that's the most powerful part of all of it is
finally women are feeling empowered and feeling safe to share
their stories and support.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
One another one And like you said, as athletes, you
know it's like, Okay, this didn't work all right, Well
what do I need to do. I need to strength
train here, or I need to spend more time doing
this right, or Okay, this hurts, so let me get
pt on this so then I can perform the way
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I need to. But when it comes to having a child,
you could do all the things, and in my case,
I don't know what your story. With my case, we
did all the testing. Everything was fine, We tested everything,
and there was no answer. And that's the unfortunate part
of it too, is you may not get the answer
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and you just have to somehow be okay and in
the waiting, and for me, what I realized in the
waiting was there were things that me and my husband
at the time I had to work through before we
brought children into the mix. We were feeling the pressure
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from the world around us. I don't know if it's
that same in hockey, but it's like they meet young
and they have babies young, and so we were feeling
pressure immediately, like okay, first you get married, and then
you have kids, and then you have a build a house,
and then you got to build this, and then you
have this, and then you got to do it. And
so we were following the lines of what everybody else
was doing, when in reality it was like, hold on,
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we need to fix this before we bring that into
the mix. And so there was a lot of learnings
we had to do, which we spend a little.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Bit more like the more learnings would have been helping.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Because it didn't really work out the way we did.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But you know what, my kids are here and that's
that's enough reason as to why all that happened for me.
But you know, there was definitely some key learnings we
needed to do during the waiting and you bring up
a really solid point too.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's similar but different. Right, you are a single mom
of two period. Madison spends so much time on the road,
so much time training, so much time away from me
and the kids, and we have a similar breakout in age.
We've got a four year old and a two year
old and you guys have that one year gap.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But it's it's kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So you're you're gonna tell us the future of this
parenting thing and hopefully it's easier, I.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Joke, But it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Bigger kids, bigger problems.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, bigger kids, bigger problem. That's all we hear, which
is not encouraging. But I spend a lot of time
solo primary mommy, and it's it's really really, really hard,
especially when you don't have like a village. So like,
what are some things that give you maybe the space
when you need it, but you can't Like sometimes I'm like, guys,
I just want to go to the bathroom. Can y'all
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just go do that thing together? And the answer is no,
But how what what is it that you're doing? How
are you building that what is working for you?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Maybe a great question I get asked all the time
like ho, DOIE do it all? And I'm My quick
answer is I don't. I have a village of people
that support me daily. My mom has been amazing, but
I also have my mom friends that I know I
can call it a pinch if I hey, I get
called the sub or I have to travel. I have
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my people that I can be like, hey, can you
help me out? And it took a while for me
to be okay with that though I'm the type of
person like I can do it all.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I could do it all until I.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Can't, and then I have a breakdown and I'm like,
what is happening to me?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Why am I crying all the time? Doing too much?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And you're carrying too much and I don't have to
carry it all alone. One thing that I've actually been
learning this year is that love comes in different ways.
I always thought love would show up in a partner,
but I've felt love from so many of my coworkers,
from my friends, from my different family members that have
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supported me on this journey of elevating myself and my
brand but also helping me out as a mom. When
they have a great father to that shows up for
them when they need him. But you know there's a
balance with that too, so to navigate that has been challenging.
Even this week, I had some amazing things that happened
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for me professionally, and then it's like, why is it
that this is so amazing and this family life shit,
I there's no balance. It's like, oh, I'm killing it.
And then it's like, you know, it's always.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
When the kids want to like throw some crazy, wild
tempertandrum that like is so justified, it's so real, And
then Maddy and are like, we were invited to this,
really dope and wait, wait, y'all, just wait, because when
they get these phones.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And they understand their emotions and they text you when
they're at the event, like, I just don't understand why
you're spending so much energy and time there and I'm
feeling like in a low space right now.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And You're like, valid balance, I stay here, this is
this is.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Fulcl my entire year and that.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I'm literally like standing there crying and they're like, what's wrong,
and I'm like, mom, jail. It's heavy at times, but
you know what, at the end of the day, I
also really truly believe one day our kids are going
to look at us and they're going to see all
the things, all the sacrifices you made, all of the
really amazing things you did to provide for them, And
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that's something they're going to remember when they step into
whatever they're being called to be, and knowing that it's
going to take sacrifice, that it's not always going to
look perfect, that you're going to have to say no
to things and you're going to miss things, and it's
okay because you're building a foundation for your family to
witness and see.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And so is it easy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
No, But I know that when they see me, they
see the lives that I'm changing. Like one time they
came to the studio and they were just I have
a video a picture of them watching me teaching on
the screen and then they see the members come up
to me after crying or just sharing their story and
they're like, Mom, you're really impacting these lives. And I
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think that's important for them to see, Like when I'm
not there, this is what I'm doing. I'm not just
out here kicking it trying to find husband two point
zero sometimes but not all. Sometimes, like we want that
for me, we are manifesting me, but well, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So interesting you say that, because a while ago Anya
sent me something because I was feeling really guilty. I
was on like my fifth road trip, and it was
a clip of Shonda Rhimes. She was winning an award
and they basically were like, how are you so great
at everything you do? And she was like, I'm not.
That's simply impossible. She's like, when I'm succeeding at one thing,
I'm inevitably failing at another. So when I'm here winning awards,
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my kids are home with someone else. But her point was,
but I'm fully present, and that's how I'm able to
be successful, and my kids seeing me here, know that
the work that I put in there is what to this,
and then they too can be successful and have those moments.
And I think I'm starting to see that with my son.
Like the last season and a half of hockey for me,
I've been really hard. I'm on the tail end of
my career, I'm getting older, I'm going now. I think
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probably for my last season, I got injured and it
was just like every day felt impossible. And I remember
halfway through kind of the rehab process, I looked at
Anya and I was just like I don't think I
can do this anymore, Like this is too much, and
she was just like, yeah, you can. And she literally
just like pointed at Whelan and she's like, you have
to because our principle with our kids is they're not
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allowed to say can't. And obviously that's extreme, but the
idea behind it is that you can do anything you
put your mind to. He now understands like the principle
of quitting and the idea of like pushing through something
and trying to succeed. He understands that now and so
for me, that's my biggest white He will remember and
he will see that sacrifice, etc. Leads to you can
do anything. What you both do ninety percent of the
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time as single moms is truly incredible. I say it
all the time about Anya. I'm like, I don't know
how you do it. When she leaves for one day
for work, I text her by eight am, I'm like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
On?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, I don't know how you do everything that you do.
Everything you're doing, you're killing it all the time. And
then you see your beautiful kids and it's just amazing
everything that you're able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's so funny.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Someone messages me text me today like you're absolutely killing it,
and I'm like, I wish you could see the way.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I look right now, and I wish the way.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You could see how much I lost it on my kids.
Probably pretty bad this morning because I'm cranky because I
was out late last night, you know, And I'm like,
it's all a balance, We're all trying to figure it out. Also,
I try to give myself grace in knowing that this
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is the first time I've ever done this before.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There's no instructions. There's no instructions. They don't come out
with a real book.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I remember questioning the nurse like, are you sure you're
gonna send me home with this chip?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Did I pass a test?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Maddie did the same thing. She's like, it's gonna sleep
in our room. You're not gonna stand here. It doesn't
go in like.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
A nursery like what happens overnight.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
The second time, though, I was like, we're leaving and
the nurse, the nurse was literally writing on the board.
I was like, we've been here for twelve hours, We're leaving,
and her her arm like slipped and like drew a
line down with the dry racecorts, like, we really recommend
two nights day.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I was like, we're getting out of here, it crows.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Are We got it down, you know, And so you
got to give yourself grace in it all. And we're
all trying to do our best and you know, try
and provide for these two humans and create a space
for them that is safe but also that they can
be inspired by. I think that is the biggest weighted
vest that we carry on a daily basis is being
the example.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I was raised by a single mom too, and have
so much more respect for her now than I did
then because I know I.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Was a piece of work, but just the sacrifices that
she made and I remember just watching her just killing it.
And so I know a lot of that is within me,
and now that my girls can see it in me too,
and I want them to kind of push through. Like
one time, my daughter wanted to quit basketball, and I said,
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you know what, you can quit basketball after you've had
a really great, amazing game if you still want to.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Quit, you know. And so she she went out and
she killed it and she was like, Nah, I'm killing it.
I'm not quitting.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was like, see, you know, so we're going to
have tough days and so, like I said, we carry
the weight to base the weight a best of the
example and it's not easy, but it's important, so.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Important, And I love the way that you've created a
community that is the Ratchet Mom's Club because there is nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
More ratchet and nobody that's more like hot mess.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's all going on at the same time than any
mom that is stitting by herself with children, Like it
doesn't matter what's going on, Like there's poop in my hair,
there's food on my shirt, there's like it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's it's a whole thing. So I think, like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
All of that in that community that you fostered is
so authentic to all the things that you're saying. But like,
Ratchet Mom's Club, what does that mean to you other
than giving that space and grace?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Why ratchet? What? Like because we are? But like why it's.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So funny and it's so wild that it is literally
like a hashtag on Peloton and has crossed over into
multiple modalities, which makes my heart honestly so heavy. It's
like ratchet dog Dads, Like it's a movement. But I
think honestly, ultimately it's like, I'm not going to take
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myself too seriously. I am trying my best and it
is hard and recognizing that and.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Creating that space to just be.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I remember going to kindergarten orientation and I remember going
in there a hot mess, like literally coming from work,
hair crazy, sweatpants, probably a staying on it that I
walk in and it's like Martha Stewart or moh yeah,
everyone's signing up for all the volunteer stuff. I'm like,
I don't know what you're talking about. What is this
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just a hot mess? And I remember feeling like I
was the only one, and I'm like, there's gotta be
other people out here that are like y'all are not
for real.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You do not have it all together, like you are
putting out there like please be for real. You're unclipping
your braw the second you get in your car. Let's
be for real.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And so I wanted to just call that out and
ever since, I crack up the amount of videos I
get from people of just different stories that have happened
to them throughout the day, or things they missed or
things they forgot like it. It just gives people a
space to feel seen and I think that's important. And
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I said, it's three qualifications. When you gotta like Rashet
music too, you have to move as you autapologetically and
three uplifts and inspire those around you.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There's enough ugly in this world, Like let's let that
go and let's just be real.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, because why like I always say, like comparison is
the thief of joy.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I don't need. It's not the same as me.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Like I listen to an interview where you said, I'm
not Sarah's mom, Like, I'm not that person's mom. I'm
my kid's mom. And if I'm going to do something
completely ridiculous, like my kids will bear the brunt of that.
Maybe someone else's mom is not going to do that.
That's fine, but that's who I am. And like, I
think that that embracing that in that ratchet mom's club
idea is fun and sometimes we miss the fun in motherhood.
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It doesn't feel fun, but if we have more fun
with it, it can be a better experience for everyone involved.
Like when Wayaleen's not putting his shoes on, if I'm like,
get over here, put your shoes on, Like that gets
really tense. If I'm like, well, your shoes are dancing.
Can you get your dancing feet and you're dancing shoes
like it's silliness, But that that's the seriousness that we
can't take into parenting.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, no one.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And I think it's also good to carry that mindset
in with your kids because the amount of times I
get well, Sarah can do.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It, well, Sarah don't live up in here.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
You live up in here, okay, And I say no, No,
I'm not your mom. I'm not Sarah's mom. I love
that Sarah's mom, I'm your mom. And this is how
we roll.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Up in the Ferguson household. Oh I did.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Or we are gonna be like you're not my friend
right now, and I'm like, I'm your mom.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I don't have to be your friend every day. All good?
It's the balance.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Are your kids on social media or they're still a
little young?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
No, they have phones, but I think we live in
a very very scary world, to be honest, access is
terrifying for me. They spoke about it at my daughter's school.
There's like a movement happening. Wait until eighth like wait
until eighth grade to allow them to have social media.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
They save phones. I'm like you don't know my life. Yeah,
they need the same time. They need.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
They need to listen, you have a little five minute
woo while I'm doing this. But way until eighth for
social media, because there's been a ton of studies on
just kids comparing themselves having eating disorders so young depression, like.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because they're comparing.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The false narrative we're telling on social media and they're
not grounded yet in who they are as individuals to
make those decisions on their own and be confident enough
in who they are on their own yet. And so
I think we still have a lot of work to
do with our kids before we let them have that exposure.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's a lot to have to balance that we never
had to deal with when we were well younger.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, we had a beeper and we had to like
find the payphone or the flip phone.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That just did like the snake game, and like social
media just becomes challenging. Like also that we need Whalen
reading when he can read the hate that Maddie's getting
on social media, No, because he's not prepared to be
like those people aren't in touch with reality. Like, and
I'm sure for as many followers as you have you've
got some haters.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Absolutely, you're not doing anything right if you don't have any,
Like I must suck if I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Have any haters. That part, that part for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
But yeah, you know, there's a part where you just
have to protect their eyes until they're prepared and ready
for what is to come. Right now, they don't really
understand how ugly the world you live in.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You want them to be able to live and experience life,
but you also, I think, have to have a balance
with that, especially with social media. So yeah, I'm terrified.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm terrified.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How do you balance that, like giving people access to
your life and your kids whilst also trying to protect
your kids from all of these peopleeople who are following
Kirsten the Peloton Superstar.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You know, it is.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Very interesting because I share so much of my life
with Peloton.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Within reason, they don't know it all, you know, But.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I do think there's a piece of and what I
try to lean in on is an authenticity and my
vulnerability and being honest of the things that I'm walking through.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I really try to hone in on that.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
But I also do respect, you know, privacy with my
kids and how much I really put them out there.
They watched me on social media a.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Lot, you know, and they're like, when can I have
TikTok never? You know.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So it's a hard balance, honestly, And you know, I
know some people they hide their kids' faces and all
of that, but my kids have kind of been out
there since they were born and they're just a really
huge piece of my brand and who I am. But
there are things in place that I just I really
don't share. I don't think it's necessary to share. And
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as they get older, I think they're going to want
their privacy protected even more. So it's a balance. It's
definitely a balance. And do I have it all figured out? No,
I'd be lying if I did.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The answer is always like this is how I feel today,
Like Matty and I will be like today, this is
how I feel, and then like two weeks og, I've
remember the other day when I said this, I feel
the exact opposite, and we're like.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All right, cool, roll with that for a little bit,
then move on to the next feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So all of that leans me into the idea of,
like your mental health, how do you prioritize the time
that you give to you for you.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So that's a great question, and it took me a
while to really figure that out, especially when it came
to motherhood, because you feel like you have no time.
But what I learned early on, and why I think
fitness really became my passion, is because I was like, wait,
I need to figure out what I'm doing for me
so I don't resent these two beautiful humans that I
prayed really hard for that I have now. And so
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it is finding an hour a day that I can
focus on. I also set aside an hour with my
life coach once a week. It's a non negotiable. It's
on my calendar. I will never schedule anything over it,
just to keep me grounded because I share so much
of me and I feel like there's a expectation for
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me to always show up.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
But what do I do when I don't have anything
to give you? But what do you do when you're zero? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I either literally I either say it. Like one day
I was I text my life coach. I was like,
I was going through really like a really dark time,
and I was like, I have to go in front
of these members and perform and I have nothing, And
she said say that yeah, and I did, and it
was one of my best classes because I was like, y'all,
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I'm at a zero, I'm at a zero, and I'm
going to do what I use to lift me and
fill me, and that's movement, and I invite you to
join me. And I hardly spoke of the class. The
music was perfect and it was exactly what I needed
to do. But I think there's a part of being
honest about that, like, shoot, there are days I don't
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have it together, you know, And I think the important
piece is to talk about it, however you choose to.
Meditation and prayer is a big piece for me. Also,
just the idea of everything does not need to be
on the priority list. I think when I first started
at Pelton, I had to say yes to everything because
I wanted to be the best in have everybody like
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me and all these things.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Everybody's not always gonna like you, so you got to
let that go.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And listen if they're not on this priority list, then
I said no, and it's okay. And I do that
so that when I say yes, I really can say
yes wholeheartedly without just giving little pieces of whatever I
have left to the people.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I say yes to I think we should als say
no more.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I agree. I agree, And it's hard at times.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You know, you don't want to disappoint someone or you.
You know, sometimes I say yes and then I'm like,
I feel bad because I really don't have it in
me to go, but I need to go. But then
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
That's you, Maddie. Will say yes and then be like,
I immediately regret saying yes to that, but.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Immediately regret and instead of just being like, as simple
as let me think about it, I'll get back to
you yet to say yes in the moment, it may
just be a no for right business second, but like that,
would love to take the opportunity to figure out when
we can make a habit totally fine.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, I feel like we could end there because you
just gave us all tremendous nuggets of life advice. But
we always end with this question, which is, what is
one piece of advice that you did or maybe wish
you had received about being a mom that has always
stuck with you.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
That's a good one. We spoke about it a lot
today and it's no one has it all together and
you're doing your best. Give yourself grace. I don't think
as moms will hear that enough like you're doing a
great job.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You are enough.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
I think every day I can get my kids from
the bed, clothes fed, teeth, brushed, stuff in their bag,
lunch worter bottle, snack, looking together, hair together, in the
car to school.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I deserve a metal around my neck. You're right, So
I love that you said that. I love that you
came on with us. You're so refreshing because you're real,
and I think that that's what everyone that follows you
loves you. That's why the Ratchet Moms Club is so hot.
That's why we can all connect on these levels. So
we thank you ten times over. Thanks for joining us
and dropping some knowledge.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
This podcast is great and y'all are awesome to be
killing it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And that's all we have today.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Thank you for listening. I'm Anya Packer and.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm Madison Packer, and this is These Packs Puck.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
in Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's hosted by us Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff
is our awesome senior producer and story editor. We were
mixed and mastered by Baheid Fraser. Our executive producers are
Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz and Ali Perry.
Hey everyone, I'm Madison Packer. I'm a recently retired pro
hockey vet. I was a founding member of the National
Women's Hockey League, a pillar in the PHF, and an
inaugural member of the PWHL Sirens.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And I'm Anya Packer, also a former pro hockey player
and now a full Madison Packer stan.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Anya and I met through hockey and now we're married
and mom so two awesome toddlers, ages two and four.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And this is these packspots where we talk about everything
for professional women's athletes, to sports, to raising children and
all the messiness in between. Hello, everybody, welcome back to
your favorite duo. Madison and I are here. I cannot
wait to dive in. But most importantly, we have to
start with our hockey hot take. Hockey hot take.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right on. My hot take for the day is
that with the rise of women's sports right now, women's
hockey players are going to be the new hot kids.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
On the block, the new hottest, coolest hippist.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Really, that's your hot take?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I think so. I think that now that we've been
a part of a lot of things and we're seeing
kind of what goes on behind the scenes, of women's sports. Right,
it's not just what you see on screen, on the field,
on the court, et cetera. There's so much more that
goes into it. We're starting to get into those rooms.
There's a lot more space for a lot more hockey faces,
and we need to be in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I will say, just on growth, just on numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right, you spent eight years as a professional athlete in
the PHF getting all the shine, all the love, and
you netted that entire career with fifty five hundred followers.
People didn't care, not about you just in general, like
every athlete was in that same bubble. This last season,
you're now creeping up to twenty thousand, and that happened
like seemingly overnight.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I'm with you on that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And the other thing that we've recognized now is that
other athletes we kind of walk in with this predetermined
we're less than And every time we're in the space
and room with any of these other athletes, there's room
for you. There's conversations that include you, and they know
exactly what's going on. I think that, like the parody
is also generated by other athletes between you them, you
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know what I'm saying, like, I feel like as the wife,
I watch that connection really closely.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, yeah, and I think it's also who you surround
yourself with, right, Like you look at LC from Deep
Blue Sports and Entertainment, who made this whole iHeart slate
happen for all the women that are a part of
this women's sports slate. She is killing it in the
world of women's sports. She just knows everybody, and so
she's taking her agency work with Deep Blue and then
(02:48):
traversing that into panel opportunities events, getting all these athletes together.
And that's a big part of it, right, It's just
the sense of community and belonging to something, even if
it's not particular to hockey or whatever sport. Right, it's
the community aspect of we are all female athletes, and
as women's soccer does better, so does women's hockey. Right,
that's why we're here. We're riding the wave of them
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keeping us relevant because for so long hockey has just
been a little bit behind, a little bit behind, and
now this huge boom is happening, so we're able to
enter on an already massively lit stage. Next year, the
buildings are going to be bigger, the crowds are going
to be bigger, Like, we just keep getting to do
more because these other sports have done so much, it's
allowed us to kind of learn from their roadmap. And
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now that they're starting to step into the light of
these behind the scenes, off the field, off the court
rolls again, there's being space made for us because you know,
we are fortunate enough that someone else has come before
and we're able to follow in those footsteps and take
advantage of the opportunities that are there for us.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It helps shine a light on all these spaces that
you wouldn't otherwise turn the TV on and see, Like
you know when you're on a panel with Millie Brighton
AJ Andrews.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Which is a whole different exposure.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Right, that's baseball, softball, soccer, Chelsea Field Club, all the things.
It's growing like crazy. It's starting to be that kind
of fame, and there's a whole dark side to that, right,
and that dark side is a little bit of a privilege,
right you get to be an athlete at the highest
level with the greatest job, and certainly like abuse has
no place, racism has no place, all of the really
damaging parts of the dark side, But like the lack
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of privacy is given, like there's some givens that are
dark about the situation and hoping everyone's safe.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But it does allow for.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
More light to be shown on the entire product, which
I really appreciate.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, speaking of dark side, why don't we get into
where you're at? Do a little check in today?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You feeling dark? Like, what's going on? That little dark
in me?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So we'll start with you.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I have a head cold.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Everyone can hear my nasily voice, so I would give
myself even sick.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think I'm like a thirty seven. I'm probably done it.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's still pretty low, but it's higher than me. I'm
at like an eleven. My whoop says I'm at an eight.
I've been up since four thirty. Fly long flight, right
to the rink, skated right to the gym, workout, came home.
A bunch of stuff got left out while we were gone.
I missing the kids.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
It should have been me.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, the garbage didn't get taken out.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I actually won't clean the garbage because that's not an
Aya chore, that's a Madison chour. But I do appreciate
that's frustrating to come home to dirty garbage.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So we're in one right now. But after this we're
gonna tidy up a bit. You prepped food, so that
brought me up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
That's kind of what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like you're an eight, someone prepped you food, you become eleven.
Like there's not a day that is always perfect. And
I think living in that bumb era, especially as a mom,
especially with the grace to be that person, is so important.
And that's where Kirsten Ferguson is the best. She's all
the things. She's the president of the Ratchet Mom's Club,
she's a mom of two beautiful girls by herself. She's
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a peloton instructor. She's a runner, which we aren't.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Babe.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You always tell me I'm not running unless I'm being chased,
and all around somebody that just gets it. She's real,
she's a human being, and she's somebody that I am
excited to listen to pick us up out of this lull.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Let's talk to Kirsten Ferguson.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We'll be back with Kirsten right after the break. Kirstin,
I am so excited to talk. Obviously, we've kind of
hung out in a couple different scenes, but first time
we met was at a WNBA game. Madison and I
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were obviously like, who is this person? We need to
like you were sitting right in front of us. We
were like, this woman is gorgeous. Like, first of all,
let's talk. We come from different worlds, but we live
in the same Lifefe Madison.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Pro hockey player.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You are pro athlete, nonetheless bar none, and it's different, right,
There's a unique set of challenges. So talk to us
a little bit about the pro athlete life from the
lens of being a Peloton instructor.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know, it's wild.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Peloton changed my life literally overnight. I was just stay
at home mom, just live in the life and was
teaching cycling as a hobby. And then the pandemic hit
and my life flipped upside down.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I walked through a divorce during the pandemic.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
While navigating life with two little ones at home. So
it was a scary time for sure. And then out
of nowhere, I got a DM from Peloton like hey, you.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Want to audition, and I'm like what, But it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Was also just like a beautiful moment, like have you
ever been in a state of chaos? And then something
just so incredible and amazing takes you out of that
space and you're able to zone it on something else
besides the absolute chaos you're in. And so that was
Peloton for me, and now it is literally every day
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is a different set of amazingness and challenges all at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So it's been a whirlwind for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And what was that like, Like, I'm sure it had
to be hard, right, Everyone thinks back to COVID and
we were all isolated and alone. You mentioned, you go
through a divorce, you become a single mom, you get
reached out to you by Peloton, and then it's like boom.
There's professional athletes, right, and the celebrity and the status
that comes with that. But then being a fitness instructors,
particularly with Peloton, right, you are entering millions of homes
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that you may not even realize, and you all of
a sudden have this fan base and this following. Some
people you will never meet, lives you change that you
never know of. That's a different kind of celebrity, right.
Is it difficult to recognize sometimes that you are that
person to so many people, and so many of those
people you may never meet.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That's all interesting you bring that up, because it's true.
You know, even my ex husband, he played in the
NFL for ten years. He is an offensive as we
wore a helmet all the time, so no one they
knew his name, they knew his stature. But like walking
around on the street, you'd be like, he looks.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Like an athlete. I don't know who he is, but
he looks like an athlete.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
But the difference with us is, you know, we are
in people's homes every day. It's not just on the
TV on Sunday. We are sharing our life story, our struggles,
are everything with our community every single day, and they
really look at us like we're they're best friends.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And so when they meet us, they're like, hey, how's
your kids?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
How's It's so weird, like how do you know so
much about me? And you're You're like Leslie five to
one from Portland and I've never met before.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It's cool, like when you meet them to put a
name with a face.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But it is so interesting to know that we are
impacting lives across the world and just encouraging them, whether
it's to get moving or maybe it's just a space
you need to breathe and mentally, you know, I created
this class called Attention Setting Sunday where I share affirmations,
and I just created it as a space and a
place to motivate as we're moving, as we're walking, challenging
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yourself physically, but also mentally and as a mom. That
has been game changer for me. And so to know
that I'm able to impact other lives across the world,
like that's ultimately my why and a win, you know
for sure?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean so for my connection to Peloton, Maddy
bought me a Peloton after I had Whalen, which was
COVID where he's four years old. But I did all
Kendle Tools rides and then Maddie met Kendall Tool at
an event and she was like, you pulled my wife
out of a really dark time.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Always something that can like immediately be like obvious. Like
people come to a hockey game, they're coming with the
idea that they're going there, they're jazz for the game,
they have their gear on whatever. I was like breastfeeding,
jumping on the bike, crying, not really doing the ride,
like just listening to her scream. And that's a that's
a different love Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
And it's so funny you said that because my first
connection to Peloton I got my bike as a push
president in twenty fifteen, So that was my first connection
to Peloton. And it's so interesting because I didn't know
then that why I got it, And you know, I
had a bunch of miscarriages and a journey to get
to where I was. And so once I had my
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daughter and I got on the bike, it was that
release for me. But I didn't know then that that
was going to be my purpose in life ten years later.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, it's so wild how life works. One thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So we went through a similar process where we started
fertility treatments immediately, right, like we have to go through
that life. I joke around, I'm like, we could try
every night, it's never going to work, Like let's let's
go to the doctor. So when we get married and
we kind of like immediately go into this process, hopes
are high and I get pregnant, We're excited to tell
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the family. We rock up to Thanksgiving only to find
out I'm.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Having a miscarriage.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And so I think, like for somebody that's gone through
that process, like where did the courage for you come
from to start to talk about such a damaging thing.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
You know, it was really because I know how I
felt it during that time, and I'm so sorry that
y'all had to walk through that, because there is.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Truly nothing worse.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I remember when I was walking through it how
lonely I felt. I felt like I was the only
person in the world that was going through it. I
felt like there was something wrong with me.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, damaged goods, like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Damaged goods like what what did I do wrong in
my past?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Why is this not happening for me? Questioning everything?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And so the reason why I'm so open about it
is because I want people to know like, unfortunately happens
so often.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And you're not alone in it.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And also, the journey to motherhood looks different for everyone,
and it's not cookie cutter and it's not you know
what you read in fairy tale books. It could look
different for every single family. And I've really wanted people
to know that and accept that. And even if you
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are walking through something really hard and challenging, like we
both had to walk through, is to be able to
give somebody hope in that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And so if I could provide hope in that space.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I would win thousands, do it over and over and
over again and tell my story and really it was
also a form of healing for me.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah. I mean I feel like the catharsist there, right.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, the more you talk about it, the more healing
it is, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I think that's so powerful too. I Mean, Madison and
I do a lot of talking about mental health, about struggles.
I was very open about my postpartum depression with my children,
you know, and we kind of have a deal with
each other, like when the other one needs that check in,
like we're going to be there. We're going to give them.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
That space and grace.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And you say something like I had a miscarriage, And
I don't think that there's been a single person that
we've ever talked to that have children that haven't said
we went through something similar.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Or we had those struggles too.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But it's the unknown or the like mystery baggage that
we all carry that it somehow is easy. Maybe this
is like the high school us that like are so
afraid to like kiss that we're going to get pregnant, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's not easy.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Stuff is not easy to make these correct. I'm like,
I was so scared all my life and then all
of a sudden, when I actually wanted to happen, it's like, hello, yes,
I did all the things.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Why stop working.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's so true too, I think as athletes, and that's
not taking away from anyone's struggle, but I just think
in watching Anya go through it, like it was difficult
for me because I am on the other end of
this so disconnected, like there's literally nothing I can do, right,
But there's also nothing she can do. And I remember
the second time we came home and she was like, oh,
like I just I need to do this and I
need to change that. And I'm like, there's literally nothing
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you can do. But as an athlete, like you view
something not going well, or you want it to go
differently for you, you work harder, or you do more,
or you change this. And in this situation, like there's
nothing women can do. It's just literally fate in the
hand of God and waiting, and it's just really really
hard to watch people go through that. But it's in
a weird way, completely changed how I look at women
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in general, just because like so much of these stories
are not told and not shared, and so much of
what we go through is just behind a wall. And
I think that platforms like this and people like you
sharing their stories and being willing to talk about it
is letting women know that it's okay to talk about
it and creating a space for women to feel safe
and feel supported. Because I think, as you said, that's
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the biggest part is just there's so many people that
are going through this every day and they feel like
they're the only people going through it. And I think
that's the most powerful part of all of it is
finally women are feeling empowered and feeling safe to share
their stories and support.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
One another one And like you said, as athletes, you
know it's like, Okay, this didn't work all right, Well
what do I need to do. I need to strength
train here, or I need to spend more time doing
this right, or Okay, this hurts, so let me get
pt on this so then I can perform the way
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I need to. But when it comes to having a child,
you could do all the things, and in my case,
I don't know what your story. With my case, we
did all the testing. Everything was fine, We tested everything,
and there was no answer. And that's the unfortunate part
of it too, is you may not get the answer
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and you just have to somehow be okay and in
the waiting, and for me, what I realized in the
waiting was there were things that me and my husband
at the time I had to work through before we
brought children into the mix. We were feeling the pressure
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from the world around us. I don't know if it's
that same in hockey, but it's like they meet young
and they have babies young, and so we were feeling
pressure immediately, like okay, first you get married, and then
you have kids, and then you have a build a house,
and then you got to build this, and then you
have this, and then you got to do it. And
so we were following the lines of what everybody else
was doing, when in reality it was like, hold on,
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we need to fix this before we bring that into
the mix. And so there was a lot of learnings
we had to do, which we spend a little.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Bit more like the more learnings would have been helping.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Because it didn't really work out the way we did.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
But you know what, my kids are here and that's
that's enough reason as to why all that happened for me.
But you know, there was definitely some key learnings we
needed to do during the waiting and you bring up
a really solid point too.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's similar but different. Right, you are a single mom
of two period. Madison spends so much time on the road,
so much time training, so much time away from me
and the kids, and we have a similar breakout in age.
We've got a four year old and a two year
old and you guys have that one year gap.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But it's it's kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So you're you're gonna tell us the future of this
parenting thing and hopefully it's easier, I.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Joke, But it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Bigger kids, bigger problems.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, bigger kids, bigger problem. That's all we hear, which
is not encouraging. But I spend a lot of time
solo primary mommy, and it's it's really really, really hard,
especially when you don't have like a village. So like,
what are some things that give you maybe the space
when you need it, but you can't Like sometimes I'm like, guys,
I just want to go to the bathroom. Can y'all
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just go do that thing together? And the answer is no,
But how what what is it that you're doing? How
are you building that what is working for you?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Maybe a great question I get asked all the time
like ho, DOIE do it all? And I'm My quick
answer is I don't. I have a village of people
that support me daily. My mom has been amazing, but
I also have my mom friends that I know I
can call it a pinch if I hey, I get
called the sub or I have to travel. I have
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my people that I can be like, hey, can you
help me out? And it took a while for me
to be okay with that though I'm the type of
person like I can do it all.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I could do it all until I.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Can't, and then I have a breakdown and I'm like,
what is happening to me?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Why am I crying all the time? Doing too much?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
And you're carrying too much and I don't have to
carry it all alone. One thing that I've actually been
learning this year is that love comes in different ways.
I always thought love would show up in a partner,
but I've felt love from so many of my coworkers,
from my friends, from my different family members that have
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supported me on this journey of elevating myself and my
brand but also helping me out as a mom. When
they have a great father to that shows up for
them when they need him. But you know there's a
balance with that too, so to navigate that has been challenging.
Even this week, I had some amazing things that happened
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for me professionally, and then it's like, why is it
that this is so amazing and this family life shit,
I there's no balance. It's like, oh, I'm killing it.
And then it's like, you know, it's always.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
When the kids want to like throw some crazy, wild
tempertandrum that like is so justified, it's so real, And
then Maddy and are like, we were invited to this,
really dope and wait, wait, y'all, just wait, because when
they get these phones.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And they understand their emotions and they text you when
they're at the event, like, I just don't understand why
you're spending so much energy and time there and I'm
feeling like in a low space right now.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And You're like, valid balance, I stay here, this is
this is.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Fulcl my entire year and that.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I'm literally like standing there crying and they're like, what's wrong,
and I'm like, mom, jail. It's heavy at times, but
you know what, at the end of the day, I
also really truly believe one day our kids are going
to look at us and they're going to see all
the things, all the sacrifices you made, all of the
really amazing things you did to provide for them, And
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that's something they're going to remember when they step into
whatever they're being called to be, and knowing that it's
going to take sacrifice, that it's not always going to
look perfect, that you're going to have to say no
to things and you're going to miss things, and it's
okay because you're building a foundation for your family to
witness and see.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And so is it easy.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
No, But I know that when they see me, they
see the lives that I'm changing. Like one time they
came to the studio and they were just I have
a video a picture of them watching me teaching on
the screen and then they see the members come up
to me after crying or just sharing their story and
they're like, Mom, you're really impacting these lives. And I
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think that's important for them to see, Like when I'm
not there, this is what I'm doing. I'm not just
out here kicking it trying to find husband two point
zero sometimes but not all. Sometimes, like we want that
for me, we are manifesting me, but well, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So interesting you say that, because a while ago Anya
sent me something because I was feeling really guilty. I
was on like my fifth road trip, and it was
a clip of Shonda Rhimes. She was winning an award
and they basically were like, how are you so great
at everything you do? And she was like, I'm not.
That's simply impossible. She's like, when I'm succeeding at one thing,
I'm inevitably failing at another. So when I'm here winning awards,
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my kids are home with someone else. But her point was,
but I'm fully present, and that's how I'm able to
be successful, and my kids seeing me here, know that
the work that I put in there is what to this,
and then they too can be successful and have those moments.
And I think I'm starting to see that with my son.
Like the last season and a half of hockey for me,
I've been really hard. I'm on the tail end of
my career, I'm getting older, I'm going now. I think
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probably for my last season, I got injured and it
was just like every day felt impossible. And I remember
halfway through kind of the rehab process, I looked at
Anya and I was just like I don't think I
can do this anymore, Like this is too much, and
she was just like, yeah, you can. And she literally
just like pointed at Whelan and she's like, you have
to because our principle with our kids is they're not
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allowed to say can't. And obviously that's extreme, but the
idea behind it is that you can do anything you
put your mind to. He now understands like the principle
of quitting and the idea of like pushing through something
and trying to succeed. He understands that now and so
for me, that's my biggest white He will remember and
he will see that sacrifice, etc. Leads to you can
do anything. What you both do ninety percent of the
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time as single moms is truly incredible. I say it
all the time about Anya. I'm like, I don't know
how you do it. When she leaves for one day
for work, I text her by eight am, I'm like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
On?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, I don't know how you do everything that you do.
Everything you're doing, you're killing it all the time. And
then you see your beautiful kids and it's just amazing
everything that you're able to accomplish.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
That's so funny.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Someone messages me text me today like you're absolutely killing it,
and I'm like, I wish you could see the way.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I look right now, and I wish the way.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You could see how much I lost it on my kids.
Probably pretty bad this morning because I'm cranky because I
was out late last night, you know, And I'm like,
it's all a balance, We're all trying to figure it out. Also,
I try to give myself grace in knowing that this
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is the first time I've ever done this before.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There's no instructions. There's no instructions. They don't come out
with a real book.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I remember questioning the nurse like, are you sure you're
gonna send me home with this chip?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Did I pass a test?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Maddie did the same thing. She's like, it's gonna sleep
in our room. You're not gonna stand here. It doesn't
go in like.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
A nursery like what happens overnight.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
The second time, though, I was like, we're leaving and
the nurse, the nurse was literally writing on the board.
I was like, we've been here for twelve hours, We're leaving,
and her her arm like slipped and like drew a
line down with the dry racecorts, like, we really recommend
two nights day.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I was like, we're getting out of here, it crows.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Are We got it down, you know, And so you
got to give yourself grace in it all. And we're
all trying to do our best and you know, try
and provide for these two humans and create a space
for them that is safe but also that they can
be inspired by. I think that is the biggest weighted
vest that we carry on a daily basis is being
the example.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I was raised by a single mom too, and have
so much more respect for her now than I did
then because I know I.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Was a piece of work, but just the sacrifices that
she made and I remember just watching her just killing it.
And so I know a lot of that is within me,
and now that my girls can see it in me too,
and I want them to kind of push through. Like
one time, my daughter wanted to quit basketball, and I said,
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you know what, you can quit basketball after you've had
a really great, amazing game if you still want to.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Quit, you know. And so she she went out and
she killed it and she was like, Nah, I'm killing it.
I'm not quitting.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I was like, see, you know, so we're going to
have tough days and so, like I said, we carry
the weight to base the weight a best of the
example and it's not easy, but it's important, so.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Important, And I love the way that you've created a
community that is the Ratchet Mom's Club because there is nobody.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
More ratchet and nobody that's more like hot mess.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's all going on at the same time than any
mom that is stitting by herself with children, Like it
doesn't matter what's going on, Like there's poop in my hair,
there's food on my shirt, there's like it's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's it's a whole thing. So I think, like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
All of that in that community that you fostered is
so authentic to all the things that you're saying. But like,
Ratchet Mom's Club, what does that mean to you other
than giving that space and grace?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Why ratchet? What? Like because we are? But like why it's.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So funny and it's so wild that it is literally
like a hashtag on Peloton and has crossed over into
multiple modalities, which makes my heart honestly so heavy. It's
like ratchet dog Dads, Like it's a movement. But I
think honestly, ultimately it's like, I'm not going to take
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myself too seriously. I am trying my best and it
is hard and recognizing that and.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Creating that space to just be.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I remember going to kindergarten orientation and I remember going
in there a hot mess, like literally coming from work,
hair crazy, sweatpants, probably a staying on it that I
walk in and it's like Martha Stewart or moh yeah,
everyone's signing up for all the volunteer stuff. I'm like,
I don't know what you're talking about. What is this
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just a hot mess? And I remember feeling like I
was the only one, and I'm like, there's gotta be
other people out here that are like y'all are not
for real.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You do not have it all together, like you are
putting out there like please be for real. You're unclipping
your braw the second you get in your car. Let's
be for real.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And so I wanted to just call that out and
ever since, I crack up the amount of videos I
get from people of just different stories that have happened
to them throughout the day, or things they missed or
things they forgot like it. It just gives people a
space to feel seen and I think that's important. And
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I said, it's three qualifications. When you gotta like Rashet
music too, you have to move as you autapologetically and
three uplifts and inspire those around you.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There's enough ugly in this world, Like let's let that
go and let's just be real.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, because why like I always say, like comparison is
the thief of joy.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I don't need. It's not the same as me.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Like I listen to an interview where you said, I'm
not Sarah's mom, Like, I'm not that person's mom. I'm
my kid's mom. And if I'm going to do something
completely ridiculous, like my kids will bear the brunt of that.
Maybe someone else's mom is not going to do that.
That's fine, but that's who I am. And like, I
think that that embracing that in that ratchet mom's club
idea is fun and sometimes we miss the fun in motherhood.
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It doesn't feel fun, but if we have more fun
with it, it can be a better experience for everyone involved.
Like when Wayaleen's not putting his shoes on, if I'm like,
get over here, put your shoes on, Like that gets
really tense. If I'm like, well, your shoes are dancing.
Can you get your dancing feet and you're dancing shoes
like it's silliness, But that that's the seriousness that we
can't take into parenting.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, no one.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And I think it's also good to carry that mindset
in with your kids because the amount of times I
get well, Sarah can do.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It, well, Sarah don't live up in here.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
You live up in here, okay, And I say no, No,
I'm not your mom. I'm not Sarah's mom. I love
that Sarah's mom, I'm your mom. And this is how
we roll.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Up in the Ferguson household. Oh I did.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Or we are gonna be like you're not my friend
right now, and I'm like, I'm your mom.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I don't have to be your friend every day. All good?
It's the balance.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Are your kids on social media or they're still a
little young?
Speaker 5 (30:39):
No, they have phones, but I think we live in
a very very scary world, to be honest, access is
terrifying for me. They spoke about it at my daughter's school.
There's like a movement happening. Wait until eighth like wait
until eighth grade to allow them to have social media.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
They save phones. I'm like you don't know my life. Yeah,
they need the same time. They need.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
They need to listen, you have a little five minute
woo while I'm doing this. But way until eighth for
social media, because there's been a ton of studies on
just kids comparing themselves having eating disorders so young depression, like.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Because they're comparing.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The false narrative we're telling on social media and they're
not grounded yet in who they are as individuals to
make those decisions on their own and be confident enough
in who they are on their own yet. And so
I think we still have a lot of work to
do with our kids before we let them have that exposure.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's a lot to have to balance that we never
had to deal with when we were well younger.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, we had a beeper and we had to like
find the payphone or the flip phone.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That just did like the snake game, and like social
media just becomes challenging. Like also that we need Whalen
reading when he can read the hate that Maddie's getting
on social media, No, because he's not prepared to be
like those people aren't in touch with reality. Like, and
I'm sure for as many followers as you have you've
got some haters.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Absolutely, you're not doing anything right if you don't have any,
Like I must suck if I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Have any haters. That part, that part for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
But yeah, you know, there's a part where you just
have to protect their eyes until they're prepared and ready
for what is to come. Right now, they don't really
understand how ugly the world you live in.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You want them to be able to live and experience life,
but you also, I think, have to have a balance
with that, especially with social media. So yeah, I'm terrified.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm terrified.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
How do you balance that, like giving people access to
your life and your kids whilst also trying to protect
your kids from all of these peopleeople who are following
Kirsten the Peloton Superstar.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You know, it is.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Very interesting because I share so much of my life
with Peloton.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Within reason, they don't know it all, you know, But.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I do think there's a piece of and what I
try to lean in on is an authenticity and my
vulnerability and being honest of the things that I'm walking through.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
I really try to hone in on that.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
But I also do respect, you know, privacy with my
kids and how much I really put them out there.
They watched me on social media a.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Lot, you know, and they're like, when can I have
TikTok never? You know.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So it's a hard balance, honestly, And you know, I
know some people they hide their kids' faces and all
of that, but my kids have kind of been out
there since they were born and they're just a really
huge piece of my brand and who I am. But
there are things in place that I just I really
don't share. I don't think it's necessary to share. And
(34:00):
as they get older, I think they're going to want
their privacy protected even more. So it's a balance. It's
definitely a balance. And do I have it all figured out? No,
I'd be lying if I did.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The answer is always like this is how I feel today,
Like Matty and I will be like today, this is
how I feel, and then like two weeks og, I've
remember the other day when I said this, I feel
the exact opposite, and we're like.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All right, cool, roll with that for a little bit,
then move on to the next feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So all of that leans me into the idea of,
like your mental health, how do you prioritize the time
that you give to you for you.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
So that's a great question, and it took me a
while to really figure that out, especially when it came
to motherhood, because you feel like you have no time.
But what I learned early on, and why I think
fitness really became my passion, is because I was like, wait,
I need to figure out what I'm doing for me
so I don't resent these two beautiful humans that I
prayed really hard for that I have now. And so
(34:57):
it is finding an hour a day that I can
focus on. I also set aside an hour with my
life coach once a week. It's a non negotiable. It's
on my calendar. I will never schedule anything over it,
just to keep me grounded because I share so much
of me and I feel like there's a expectation for
(35:18):
me to always show up.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
But what do I do when I don't have anything
to give you? But what do you do when you're zero? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
I either literally I either say it. Like one day
I was I text my life coach. I was like,
I was going through really like a really dark time,
and I was like, I have to go in front
of these members and perform and I have nothing, And
she said say that yeah, and I did, and it
was one of my best classes because I was like, y'all,
(35:47):
I'm at a zero, I'm at a zero, and I'm
going to do what I use to lift me and
fill me, and that's movement, and I invite you to
join me. And I hardly spoke of the class. The
music was perfect and it was exactly what I needed
to do. But I think there's a part of being
honest about that, like, shoot, there are days I don't
(36:09):
have it together, you know, And I think the important
piece is to talk about it, however you choose to.
Meditation and prayer is a big piece for me. Also,
just the idea of everything does not need to be
on the priority list. I think when I first started
at Pelton, I had to say yes to everything because
I wanted to be the best in have everybody like
(36:30):
me and all these things.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Everybody's not always gonna like you, so you got to
let that go.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And listen if they're not on this priority list, then
I said no, and it's okay. And I do that
so that when I say yes, I really can say
yes wholeheartedly without just giving little pieces of whatever I
have left to the people.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I say yes to I think we should als say
no more.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I agree. I agree, And it's hard at times.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You know, you don't want to disappoint someone or you.
You know, sometimes I say yes and then I'm like,
I feel bad because I really don't have it in
me to go, but I need to go. But then
I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
That's you, Maddie. Will say yes and then be like,
I immediately regret saying yes to that, but.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Immediately regret and instead of just being like, as simple
as let me think about it, I'll get back to
you yet to say yes in the moment, it may
just be a no for right business second, but like that,
would love to take the opportunity to figure out when
we can make a habit totally fine.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, I feel like we could end there because you
just gave us all tremendous nuggets of life advice. But
we always end with this question, which is, what is
one piece of advice that you did or maybe wish
you had received about being a mom that has always
stuck with you.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
That's a good one. We spoke about it a lot
today and it's no one has it all together and
you're doing your best. Give yourself grace. I don't think
as moms will hear that enough like you're doing a
great job.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You are enough.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
I think every day I can get my kids from
the bed, clothes fed, teeth, brushed, stuff in their bag,
lunch worter bottle, snack, looking together, hair together, in the
car to school.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I deserve a metal around my neck. You're right, So
I love that you said that. I love that you
came on with us. You're so refreshing because you're real,
and I think that that's what everyone that follows you
loves you. That's why the Ratchet Moms Club is so hot.
That's why we can all connect on these levels. So
we thank you ten times over. Thanks for joining us
and dropping some knowledge.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
This podcast is great and y'all are awesome to be
killing it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And that's all we have today.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Thank you for listening. I'm Anya Packer and.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm Madison Packer, and this is These Packs Puck.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
These Packs Puck is a production of iHeart Women's Sports
in Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's hosted by us Madison and Anya Packer. Emily Meronoff
is our awesome senior producer and story editor. We were
mixed and mastered by Baheid Fraser. Our executive producers are
Jennifer Bassett, Jesse Katz and Ali Perry.
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