My Deck Guy - Freddy Carrion

Daniel interviews Freddy, AKA the Malibu Deck Doctor, about Brazilian hardwood, his famous clients, and being a hockey dad.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Other than powerwashing. What can a homeowner do to preserve
the life of their deck?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
They off it.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kashsha Cash Shows Show. Welcome to Tash Show. I'm your host,
Daniel Tosh. We are here in Malibu, California, and I
know everybody likes to always talk about how crazy they
think the people of Malibu are, But I've got some news.

(00:33):
This is definitely a sign that people here in Malibu
are not as crazy as I once thought they were,
because I was confused when I first moved here and
I found not one, but two large crystal shops very
close to each other. You know, you see two Starbucks

(00:55):
next to each other, and you're like, oh, my goodness,
that's so ridiculous. Hey, but apparently that business model can
handle that type of saturation. I don't know, but when
I saw two crystal shops very close to each other,
I was so confused. I mean, if I saw one
crystal shop, I'm like, of course these idiots are buying

(01:15):
crystals and they can afford to have good storefront location
in Malibu. Well, anyway, both of them have gone out
of business. Wow, that's good. He's how you're saying, Oh,
you're applauding a company failing. Yeah, I am, because it
was a stupid business. Guess what opened up in one

(01:37):
of the locations. My favorite car wash guy, he turned
one of it into a detail shop. Yeah, it's like
a little bit building and now it's it used to
be crystals and now it's now it's his car wash spot,
and I'm gonna use them constantly. I just I couldn't
be happier. I told him, I go. The place looks

(01:58):
so much better now. There's not dumb crystals. I mean
these weren't like crystals, like like small crystals. These were crystals. Yeah,
they're huge that they have to get craned in and
they cost like millions of dollars massive, And I'm just like,
what dumbfuck is spending money on this?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, they are a waste of money because they
leave them outside and no one steals them.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, there's five million dollar crystals being left outside. Well whatever,
they're out of business. Good riddans, I say, and I,
you know, support the new car wash. Probably have him
on the show soon. I think we have time this
week to do my favorite segment, Dear Toss Show. That's
where our subscribers write to me. They're problems and I

(02:47):
fix everything all right, Eddie, let it rip.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
My wife wants to start watching sports with me so
we can spend more time together. How do I not
let this happen? Should I just stop watching sports before
she ruins them for me?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I like to where his HEA's at. I dated a
girl once that really loved sports and knew everything about it,
and I was miserable the whole time. I can't do this.
He's right now. Should he stop watching the sports? Now?
Here's what he has to do.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
In the world of.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Unlimited DVR storage and hide score technology on all the apps,
you have to go into your preferences. You gotta change
your Apple TV so that it doesn't ever put any
little icon up in the corner. Close game between Miami
and Charlotte. You gotta get rid of all that. And
he needs to just start watching all of his sports
after she goes to bed. And I know what you're saying,

(03:39):
that's porn time. No no, no, that's got to get pushed
even later. Okay, so's he's got a block off and
the and the good news is, uh, you're gonna watch
it alone peacefully, and you're cut the time, you know,
in half. Especially if it's a if it's a bad game,
you can really start jumping ahead. So yeah, you're gonna
watch the sports after she goes to bed, then your pornography.

(04:01):
Uh and then uh, and then go to bed.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
That's a brilliant idea.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well listen that why That's why I do the segment.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
My girlfriend always leaves her phone unlocked when she does this,
Is it okay to read her text messages? And if
that's okay, is it then okay to text people horrible
messages from her?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Short answer, yes, But there is some layers to this.
I used to always take my wife's phone back when
we were dating, way before children, and I would fire
off horrible things from her phone and then eventually her
friend groups like oh okay, this is this isn't carly.

(04:40):
But I mean I would I would start normal, and
then I would just get it like ridiculous, like hey,
oh I think you we should do this, and hey, hey, girls,
send me photos of what underwear you're wearing right now.
I'm just curious, Yeah, stuff like that, innocent stuff anyway,
But now that we have kids, I don't do that.

(05:00):
It's it's it's too much. Uh. But uh. The second
thing about reading your wife's text. If you're lying in wait,
then it's wrong if you're if you're trying to, But
if you're just bored and you want to read, it's
it's way more fun to read your wife's text than
your own. I'd agree, So yeah, I think it's fine.

(05:24):
And who cares if it's unlocked and you don't know
their code. I know my wife's code. Trust, These problems
are easy. This is why I do the segment to
spread my vast knowledge. Now I don't I don't know everything.
If you were to ask me a question about what
type of wood is going to age the best in

(05:44):
a certain climate, I'd be at a loss. But I
know who i'd call, the deck Doctor. Enjoy Casa. My
Guesterday is known as the Malibu deck Doctor, which means
if you want him to build you a new deck,
but you live in Santa Monica, you can eat shit.

(06:07):
He's a total character and one of my favorite contractors
I've worked with. The Doctor is in Please welcome Freddy
sim Sullivan. Freddy, thank you for being here. First of all,
let's start with the simple one. Do you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's so hard hitting one, right, off the bat, But
I'll have to say I haven't seen one, but I
do believe that.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Where you can't see ghost, they're invisible.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Then I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Hey your accent. You from Louisiana? Yeah? Born? And were
you born in the Bronx?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah? No, actually I was born in Queens, moved to
the Bronx at a very early age, the Lovely Bronx.
And yeah, I can't watch this accent. That's it. I
just can't. You know, to thirty years in California, look
at this accent.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Is it help business? Your accent?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
God?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Does it hurt business?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know what? I gotta be honest with you. I
you know, if I'm meeting someone from back East, Hey,
New Yorker, you know everyone else. You know. Basically, I
just try and tone it down as much as like you.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Don't tone it down at all. Really, Freddy, the very
first time I met you, I was like, oh no,
what did I get myself into? This guy is crazy?
And first of all, always say a few things about
I'm I'm very I'm a big fan of yours. But
you're You're intense, You're a close talker, and I'm like, oh,
this is this is my nightmare. Then quickly I'm like,

(07:37):
this is the greatest guy ever. I told my wife,
I'm like, this guy's amazing. You know everything about what
you're talking about, like your job, you know the woods,
you know everything about So I was like, well, he's
smart and he knows what he's doing. On top of
the fact that he is a maniac.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
And I lovedn't mention handsome at all.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
You're not handsome at all, Freddie, those days have sailed?
Are you a diehard Yankees fan? Yeah? What about the Mets?
You like the Mets?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Mets suck. I'm a Yankee fan. I love the Yankees,
but I have no real reason for loving the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Now, I.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Think that's only because I'm from the Bronx. You know
we got out of the Bronx. Yeah, well, you know
the place is a piece of ship, So you know,
I only associate the Bronx, I guess, with being a
Yankee fan. So that might no. No, now I'm thinking,
is that the reason why I'm proud of being a
Yankee fan of the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Did you study decking in college?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Uh? No?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
How did you get into the offer that?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
How in the world did you get into being literally
the deck doctor.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh my god, you know what. My story is long
and boring, but I'll edit it.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I was a hyperactive kid, so I got the heck
out of New York as soon as I thought I
was capable of doing something. I was a musician. I
always thought I was going to be an actor. But
I got to be honest with you. It came out here,
studied a little bit, played in some bands late eighty
did all that stuff, long hair. I'm not what kind
of music sad to say, glam rock music.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Lambrock's wonderful. Well, it had its moment.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Look, I'll be honest with you again. I did. It
wasn't that crazy about it was in a couple of bands.
All of a sudden, Guns n' Roses hit, glam.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Rock just went by the wayside. Do you play the strip?
Did you ever play on the strip?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Played on the strip? Gizaris? Let me see, really the
Rainbow a couple of times at the Rainbow. But you
know that's it.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Just you know, drugs not many. You know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I just and the funny thing was that I was
working during the day as a carpenter to support my
my musical and acting lifestyle. I was studying with Susan Strasbourg,
you know, a daughter of the father of method acting.
You know, I really thought I was going to get
in to it, but I had no money to survive,
you know, and I'm dead tired going to these classes

(10:04):
at night. So I'm like, fuck this. I said, I'm
going to just dig in. I'm gonna do what I
know how to do, and started some just small jobs
here and there. That kind of led to a few
other gigs with a few lesser known actors that I
kind of I like doing it. I like being outside.

(10:26):
That was pretty much it. And everyone that I had
no training. Oh no, I've been a carpet this. Oh
all right, you know why you want to go back? Yeah,
I'm fifteen years old. I get arrested for running into
a Crazy Eddy, which was basically an electronics store in
New York. Famous electronic store, oh famous commercial Crazy Eddy. Anyway,

(10:47):
make a long story short. My friends damned me to
run into Crazy Eddy. I steal something from Crazy Eddy.
I run out, I jump into the car. They grabbed
my shoe. Three days later, the cops knock on my door.
They're like, is this is your shoe, I said, yeah,
and you're under a rest.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
My parents, if you fell for that, you said, yeah, completely.
You thought it was the story of Cinderella going to
the pokey.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I went to the pokey and all right, you know
you're gonna you're gonna, definitely you're gonna have to take
this one.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
What are you buttoning up for? Yeah? Chilling.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm nervous because now I'm about to tell you something
from here. My mother I told I said, Mom, it
was a mistake. I mean, she said, You're gonna get
fucked in the ass, and I said, my god, Mom,
I started crying on the spot of fifteen years old.
That was it. From that moment on, I went to
what they called a board of Cooperative Educational Services program

(11:41):
where they started to teach me carpentry. Next thing you know,
I was out on a work program, working for a
contractor taking English at night at high school. Next thing
you know, I'm bailing on New York and heading to
California in my early twenties. And that was how I
got here, Yes, Santa Monica, Hollywood, trying to do a
little acting, little music. Uh, and then yes, ended up

(12:02):
just strapping on my tools and sticking with it, but
have met a lot of wonderful, really cool people and uh.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
All right, Freddy, I got to know, did you get
fucked in the ass?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
No? No, no, I'm waiting for that. Yeah, I mean
I figuratively yes, yes, but but but no.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
No, good for you. Do you like these celebrities try
to like tell you like, hey, don't ever use my
name or don't ever say that you've worked on my house?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
All of them? Yeah, look, I work. You know, you're
a heck of a celebrity. I mean what I mean
by that is, you know, you seem to be a
pretty a pretty straightforward guy. Your family guy. You know,
I like your dog, your wife, your kids. At uh,
you know, believe it or not, we have more in
common than you would think.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yeah, it's it's just so you know, I have
had people that I've been so uncomfortable working around that.
Yeah that I just like, what, you know, what the
fuck am I doing? You know that like celebrity ship.
I'm not. I don't even want to associate with these
people and they're basically my neighbors. But the uh, you know,

(13:11):
you know, I'm I'm trying to really sugarcoat this. But
there what happens, you know, really, really what happens the
most is that. And God bless carly Man, because I've
had wives of let's just say, you know, more prominent people,
and the wives come out and they wheeld that ship.

(13:31):
All right, I've been on a project. I'm not going
to tell you who it was, but it was not
far from here. And literally, I take off my I
take off my shoes. When I walk in your house,
I take off my shoes.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I tell people not to take the shoes off.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
You go, okay, and I take them off.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I don't want your shoes already, rather your shoes than
your socks on my floor.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, I got news to you. When I walk into
people's house, I take them off, okay, and and and
I say who it was? But she says, you bringing
you know, I guess maybe people do bring bring in
whatever with with? She said, well, do you have something
to cover the floor with? I said, and I didn't
want to say I just took off my shoes, but

(14:12):
I said, no problem. I went out and I got
some of my drop clothes, right, which are marginally clean
drop clothes, but their drop cloths. I come back. All
the drop cloths are shoved to the side, and their
brand new clean sheets on the floor. It's not it
was beautiful. But now I'm going to start walking on her.

(14:33):
Hell yeah, I walked on the here she did. I
brought the whole crew in it. But now that being said,
you know, there I am, you know, doing my best
to respect their home and everything like that. And when
I came back in, I saw the clan you know,
all right, you know, yeah, you made your point, you know.
So yeah, so sometimes you know, it's just a matter of,

(14:54):
you know, what, how did I get into I'm not starstruck,
but sometimes you get a you know, bring like.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, cool Mario Lopez.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
That's another thing, all right. I cannot know not Mario
Lopez or when I get a kick out of you know,
because now that I you know, I washed the Tash Show.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I washed the shot it.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But now that I watched the Tash Show, you love it.
It's actually take in here.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Please, I gotta ask a question, let me talk, Let
me ask some questions. How did you come up with
a deck? Doctor? H I'm surprised that wasn't taken.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Doctor dek deck doctor. They both roll off the tongue.
But everybody, everybody who's ever built the deck is a
deck doctor, all right. Every contractor they ever know it
always you know built, there's always decks on his resume,
and a handful of them will call themselves, you know,
Joe Schmoe contractor a ka deck doctor. So I've seen

(15:57):
it over the years forever when I try to get
deck dooctor dot com, deckdoctor dot com has been gone
for thirty five years as some guy in Pennsylvania deckdoctor
dot com. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna become
Malibu deck doctor. I don't have to leave the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
By the way. Uh, you know you've been doing that
building these decks for thirty years, have you? You mess
with porches at all? You fuck with porches or.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
No, you know what, anything outdoor man, anything that has
to do. I just want to stay outdoors. You gotta
pull pergola, you got a trellis, you got an arbor,
you got anything you want to do outdoors. Pool deck,
second story deck.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
We've got stoop. You mess with stoops.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Stoops and normally you know, you associate them with concrete.
So you know, if I had to, yeah, I've built
wood decks over stoops.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know you deal with concrete at all or no.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean when I have to. I'm doing a job
down the block from you right now, where I got
to pour concrete slab for a jacuzzi and you know,
a little curb to hold a little bit of retaining
walls hall City Hall like you you know what city
Hall changes? You know a lot. I mean back from
when I believe or not when you dealt with them
several different inspectors even since then in the neighborhood, we

(17:08):
got probably about five or six of them. My I'm
lucky because a deck that's below thirty inches technically doesn't
need a permit. Okay, So flip side of that is
any job that I do over one thousand dollars, technically
I'm supposed to permit. So you know, go figure.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
You ever been red tagged?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, I had been. I have been popped by an inspector.
Let's come on my job and said, hey, you know
you've been down to the city on this one, and
I have to say no, I'll be down there tomorrow.
Good news is that I build a code, so I've
never had any problem. But yeah, of course, I've a
side stepped the building department.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Please walk me through the processed time frame and cost
to build a moderately elaborate deck.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Your deck is about one hundred and fifty grand whoa, By.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
The way, is my deck bigger smaller than Justin's.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Justin claims to have the largest deck.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
He won't shut the fuck up about this. Look he
keeps telling, let me tell you about go ahead, Justin.
I don't know why. By the way, Justin has put
a few people on this show. He introduced me to you,
and he introduced me to Alligator Jesus. Anyway, Justin tells
me he's this French guy that I can't interview him
because he won't let me talk. Ever, He's basically like

(18:27):
a shark tank guy. People ask him for money and
he's like, yeah, I'll give you money. That's all I've
ever figured out with him. But I'm at his house
and I'm like, this deck is beautiful, and he says,
you have got to meet doctor Deck. And I said,
I'm like, your deck is beautiful. He goes, well, it's
the largest deck in Malibu. I go, is it? I go,
it doesn't seem like the largest deck. My deck seems
almost as big as this, and I would never even

(18:49):
think to consider my deck as the largest deck. Now,
go on and tell me if Justin's deck is the
largest deck in Malibui.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
All right, look, I'm building a deck right now that's
about almost four thousand in the square feet. So Justin's,
I gotta admit, is a big deck, but it's broken
up a little bit more to pain in the ass
to work on. He spent god knows how much on
that beautiful Brazilian hardwood deck and all you see is

(19:18):
a billion screws in that thing. Forgive me, Justin.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
He didn't plug them, he didn't have plug, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Plug it, and uh, you know, I'd put my foot
in my mouth. I go, Justin, I can don't worry.
I'll come back. I'll do it for fifteen grant immediately, immediately,
as soon as I no, no, no, what am I
talking about. I can't afford to do that for Justin.
I can't afford to do it for fifteen grand But
I will come back and take care of it for you,
I promise. So, yeah, as soon as I that subject

(19:45):
came up, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I got to just a technical question break. Sometimes my
plugs start to have our floating up. There's no way
to tap those backs.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Give it a shot. If they don't go back in,
it's probably because, yes, all right, you want to get.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Technically sometimes all right, this talk about this wood, this
would well.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
This this looks this looks like just a piece of oak,
simple red oak that's been created into a table shape.
And but my point is that, uh, you look at
this grain. Okay, the grain is heading in one direction. Technically,
if I put my plug in with the grain in
the same direction, yes, I shouldn't have a problem. Okay,

(20:26):
but when you're putting in ten thousand plugs, you're just
putting them in. So when the plug swells, technically it's
not swelling with the wood itself, so it'll want to pop.
You've got an interesting deck because your deck is like
a thermally treated hardwood that has been chemically treated as
well as heat treated. So it's it won't burn. I
know that during those Really it's it's it's a very

(20:49):
unique product. It's expensive.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You misread it at first. At first you thought it
was a red wood.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
No. At first I thought it was an epaid deck,
and then I thought it was a a there's another
product that's called Kebny that's a very similar product. But regardless, yes,
you're right, it's sometimes these decks they throw me a
little bit, mainly to the truth because of the color.
When you see a color that's not naturally in nature

(21:14):
or that a tree doesn't have, and you know, if
you look at your deck, it's hard to describe that color.
You can say, oh, it's mahogany, or it's oak, or
it's it's a teak, or it's you know, brown. You know,
it's like just this kind of it looks like, it
looks very durable.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
It looks durable.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
That's the color.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Give me a low end what somebody can spend on
a deck and off the charts, what could they spend.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Off the charts, off the charts honestly, right now, in
the last couple of years, you know, I'm just finishing
up one hundred and twenty thousand dollars deck that's about
five let's just say, about the same size as your deck,
but broken up into about five different decks on the property.
That's about one hundred and thirty grand. That boils down
to almost fifty grand in material right there. Our issue

(22:02):
right now is fire coat, firefirefire Epay Brazilian hardwood. My
specialty is the only I've been trying to get it
mandated in Malibu for fifteen years as the only wood
to be used for decks. But yes, they're coming up
with some of these thermally treated products that are capable
of handling the embers and things like that. But again,

(22:22):
the Garapa that I'm using right now, in no way
compares to an Epay deck. So all these other decks
that are in the area when people want tone and
color instead of just durability, well yeah, they're getting a
class B, class C fire rating. These things will go
up like tinder.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So what did I do wrong to mind mine that
you had to come in and fix? God, because I have.
Everybody's getting all their socks dirty if they walked on it.
There's oil come out of it constantly.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, your deck doesn't require oil because again, oil is
required to nurture the cellulose fibers in the wood. Okay,
you've got something that the fibers are petrified. They've heated
this wood. They've gotten to a point.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Where why do they oil it? I didn't tell them.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
To no, But you know, the it's almost like, as
a matter of fact, you know, deck's done, let's get
some oil on it takes out some of the blemishes
and then they don't even know what to put on
top of the product. So yeah, so it sits on top.
Oil attracts dirt, It doesn't really want to dry because
it's oil. It doesn't really evaporate.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
You're telling me though the air this uh this marine
marine layer. Yeah, that acid rain marine layer crappy. You know, look,
we as wonderful as our neighborhood is, we do still have.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Pollution in our area. And a deck is an outdoor
floor that everyone beats the cowboy heck out of nobody.
But nobody cleans their deck except a handful of customers
that I'll go and swab the decks on a monthly
basis just to keep them.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
How should you clean a deck?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Basically, you gotta swab the deck with a little epsom
salt and water. That's the worst case scenario. If you
don't want to use a cleaner or brightener, just a
little bit of salt and water because you don't want
I don't like to use a lot of chemicals. I
like everything that I use to break down into the
environment as salts so epsom salt is like an old
school method of scrubbing the deck with a little lep some salt,

(24:10):
wash it down. It's dirt free. Oil is the only
thing that nurtures wood. So yes occasionally raw wood, redwood, epay,
any wood that's raw, it's gonna need a little bit
of oil occasionally. In your case, you really don't. What
you're just trying to do is waterproof it, to maintain
the stability of the cellulose fibers in the wood.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Rank these woods in terms of favorite when building a
deck epay, Acacia, cedar, redwood, or hempher.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
You're talking about almost five different families of wood. They're
all so distinctly different. So hemphur quickly framing lumber, that's
a two by four. You're building your house with cedar,
not normally associated with decks anymore because it is a
little bit soft. So cedar you'll use it on siding,
You'll use it a on fence post. Build fences, Yeah,

(25:02):
I build fences. You know, you go for beauty sometimes
and grain or ultimately I'm just building for default, just
the badass wood that you know most likely is going
to survive through most fires, not what we just recently
add But.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You work with landscapers when you're building your decks, I do. Yeah,
that seems like those things go pretty we go hand hand.
That's the one thing I regret. I didn't do the
right lighting on my deck.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Nobody does. Nobody does. And every time I do a deck,
I always tell my customers let's think big. Let's think big,
and then we can back off.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Based on But I should I should have talked to you, Freddy,
because I should have wired for lighting everywhere on my
deck and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now, you do have an opportunity with solar to do
some nice stuff that you don't have to do a
lot of hard wiring for. But the solar is so unpredictable.
Light hard wiring, Yeah, it's a hard hardwired.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Lighting. Exterior lighting is.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
A way to washing. Should I be ever power washing
my deck or should I stay away from it? I'm
due to power.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Wise your deck and buy another year from now.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
What's the hardest part of building a deck?

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's really not a difficult thing. What's difficult for me
is maintaining the highest quality control I can with guys
that I hire.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Now A lot of people that might look at California
from Afar might just think these are day players from
home Depot. But these guys really are are, you know,
masters of their career.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
To be honest with you, you can get some quality
at a home depot. Okay, all right, Now that being said,
if you're a homeowner and you go to home depot,
the first thing they're going to say is, okay, let
me take.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
You can't do the accent.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Jesus. You're going to.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Say, okay, may I see the job and I will
quote it for you after I see it, And You're like,
you need to see the job. You can't tell me
how much it's going to cost to work for three
or four No, So what I'm saying is the whole
negotiation thing has become part of the routine now. You know,
even if I pull up believe me, I pull up
a lot and I I see guys that I've known,

(27:01):
they've been there for years. But the first thing that happens,
they're all going to crowd my truck and then you know,
I gotta do a hand pick one or two. But
I'll always just say I weed them out of metals
who speaks English.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
No, you can't say that because they they know that
question they do. They just say, yes, we gotta have
a trickier question.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
You're right, you're right, but that does break the ice.
And usually the one there's usually a leader, as you know,
there's one who will speak for everyone. That's the guy
always say okay, And you have them work with tools,
you know, and that's usually not important because I just
need them to dig a hole or sand or something
like that. But I'm trying to somehow vet these guys.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
For sure. It's like a dating guy.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Exactly exactly, because you know, next thing you know, they're
going to be in my truck with whatever colonne they're wearing.
That's what I got to deal with. But that being said,
all right, these guys alone, oh man, I'm wearing a
little bit of money.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You working on a deck of a house while a
porn was being filmed? Yes, okay, First of all, are
you sure you were not in that porn? Have you
watched that porn? Like you're in the background, sand in
or something like an extra?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Look, I gotta be honest with you. I'm known as
the hammer, but that's uh.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Who calls you the hammer.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Nobody calls me the hammer. The point that I'm trying
to make is that yes, they actually were out on
the deck and camera ndering out, not cameras, but.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
That's not a point. That's just people sex.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
No no, no, no no. They were definitely filming inside.
But you know, the the the actors were coming out
on the deck to have cigarettes. Yeah, and this was
the section of the deck that I had completed and
I'm on the other section. It was it was an
interesting moment. Your guys loved you that Oh my guys
loved me that day. And the funny thing with the
greatest part of the day was that they asked they

(28:44):
asked us if we needed anything.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So it's like sometimes when client desks if you need
anything normally you know, no, no, we're good.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I tell my guys, you know, we don't go in houses,
we don't use the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
But where do you go to the bathroom when you're
building these decks, then.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's kind of tough because a lot of times, you know, well,
we'll take a break, you know, the guys have cards,
will take a break for lunch, the guys will go
but no, no, we got you know, occasionally got to
sneak one off, you know, And I always tell you
I didn't pee in your yard.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
That's fine, But I always tell people that they can
use the airstream is unlocked and there's a bathroom in there,
so I always tell people to go in there.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I we don't never use the airstream.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
I tell you, I'd rather that than pee in my yard.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
And that kid comes around and then sees some big
old hog. He's like, how come yours look so much
bigger than my dad's. I don't want to have that conversation.
People may be surprised. You know that you're forty five years.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Old as of last week. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
How old are you, Freddy?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh my god, I'm sixty three. I will be sixty
four years old.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I'm sixty three, almost sixty four. By the way, you're physically,
how are you doing physical? Are you still in pain? Where? Yeah?
Where's the pain level?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I I swear to you I am not in an
ounce of pain right now. But apparently I've got degenerative discs,
I've got osteo arthritis. I've got a bunch of stuff happening,
like right in my core that keeps me in a
bad quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But how often are you taking baths every day?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah? I probably spend at least two hours a day
in a tub.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
What Yeah, two hours a day in the tour.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
In the morning. When I get up four point thirty
in the morning, I am in the tub because it
look I sleep with a vibrator.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, where.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I sleep with a vibrator? Man, I am literally up
three times a night, and I'm making this move because
that's the area, okay, is in your back right on
my lower back?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, I mean, and I am literally I probably get
two or three solid hours of sleep a night. Once
I'm up and moving, I feel pretty good.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
What do you love most about living in southern California?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh, there's no place I'd rather live than where I
live right now. The best thing about it, it's easy
to say, the weather. There's very few places I really
enjoy going. We go to Mexico a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
But your daughter wanted me to bring up the fact
that you got busted in Mexico with her when she
was a young child.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh my god, all right, real quick, all right, take
the kid to eastlam Moo Harris A right, tiny little
island off of Cancoon All. They have his golf carts there,
so you rent the golf cart and he cruise around
the island. So I got my eight year old with me.
I think she's eight nine years old. And to make
a long story short, what better time to teach a
kid how to drive?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Sure driving a golf cart something? The same rules, Mexico whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Mexico roads are empty, throwing the driver's sea. She's doing
a great job. You know where this cop came from.
But woo, we get pulled over by is he in
a golf No, he's in a He's in a pickup truck.
That's what I'm saying. I had no idea where he
came from. Literally, I say, sweetheart, just keep driving, just
you know, outrun him. No. I just thought maybe she'd
pull it off, like, you know, just if she looked,

(31:40):
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
She meant like a nine year old exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
So he pulls in and he stays behind us, and
I'm like, all right, just keep driving, keep driving right.
So then he pulls up alongside of us and we're like,
all right, we don't want him to ram us. I said,
pull over over here. She pulls over shoots the tires exactly.
I'm like, okay, he's getting serious. Pulls up, comes over right.
So I'm trying to think quick. Immediately, I grab my

(32:06):
leg and I put it up on the golf course.
I've seen a hold of my leg.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Or you're taking injury, taking an injury right, just man
Spanish by the way.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
My Spanish sucks, but enough to have him guide us
to a hospital. And I say guide us, I mean
Sarah's still driving.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Fake it all the.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Way, we fake it all the way. I'm like, oh
this is I'm like, okay, pull into a hospital. He
literally pulls into the hospital. I get out. I limp
into that plump, got a plate all the way through,
a limp into the hospital. I'm sitting there. I'm in
the waiting room and they're like, s senor, guess who program?

(32:45):
What is the problem? What is your problem? You know?
This was after about three or four.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Times on the police left. Are they still?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
They're in the parking lot. So I'm sitting there going, okay,
you know, do I check in?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Do I?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
So I reached my pocket. I'm looking I I got
about probably twenty five hundred aesos. It was a couple
hundred bucks, give it to Sarahs and get out there.
Just give it to the cop. Just go give it
to him. Say thank you. My father's going to be fine.
Thank you. You know, I said, hug him if you
have to.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
She goes out, an eight year old go out there.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
With cash, shows that this is this is the way
it's done. Literally watched him. I mean he took the
money from her, like you know, there was no hey,
had no qualms about it. Took the money, literally looked
at it, flipped it over, put in his pocket, got
on his pickup truck, drove away.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And her.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
What's the problem, what's the problem, like, guys, Literally at
that moment, she started walking back the door he left,
made the right endo boom out of there, jump right
back into the golf cart. Other direction?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Did she driven? Okay, how exhausting is it having a
kid that's involved in so many activities.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I'd be a multi multi millionaire at this point had
I not sacrificed all the time that I took with
that kid. All right, so it's all say.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, your daughter's graduating soon too. She's a hockey product.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yea, yeah, we can't she's a hockey prodigty.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
That is probably the most expensive sport.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Thank you. Like I said, there's so much stuff, would
be a Malta Malta.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I remember as a kid in Saint Louis, my dad
loved the Blues, love the Saint Louis Blues so much,
and I was like, I was like, should I get
into hockey? Baby? And he's like, you don't want to.
They basically said you don't want to get into hockey
because they were because they knew how expensive it was,
and they just didn't want me to play.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Every sing I did with my kid from the age
of two years old, they said, she's got to do it.
I took her to I got pictures of her running
five years old medals for running. I took her to
swim class Lenny Krazelberg swim class. She was already completed
the whole program by seven. I took her to the
gymnastics place over and Agora Hills over there, right, the

(34:50):
lady comes up through Russia. You must train your daughter
with us every day. I'm like, what she's gonna be
the Olympia. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, Literally everything
that kid could touch she could do.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, So it's a hockey prodigy. She's not interested in
playing college or beyond. Is that because nobody cares about
hockey outside Canada and the Northeast.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
No, it's because obviously, what future does a woman have
playing hockey? And even if it gets you into a school,
the school is so determined to win that you're training
on the ie, you spending two hours a day in class.
My kid happens to also be a you know, a singer,
and she's a.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Singer, a capting of her debate team. That brings me
to this. Go ahead, why doesn't she just not go
to college and go straight to Disney on ice singing
and ice skating? Boom, I solved all your problems.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
From your lips to God's ears.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Everybody's on the show gets gifts. I just got to.
I just find stuff around my house and I give
it to you. You ever get splinters working on decks?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah. My wife has drawing salve and I'm like what
she is, like, who uses drawings? She goes, oh, it's
good for you for and I'm like, and it leaves
this like black tar stuff on you. I'm like, I go,
I don't ever, this is I've never heard of drawing
salve until I met my wife, and then she's always

(36:16):
got a tube of it. And I'm like, I'm not
putting this stuff on our kids. I don't even notice.
For anyway, I'm gonna give you some drawing salve. O. Hey,
I will also give you all of her these because
of your back, all of these hot packs and cold packs.
I got a bunch of hot and cold packs for
you to break open for your back. I need you.

(36:38):
You know, you stick when you're driving. You keep these
in your car. You pop one, you stick on your back.
It's gonna make you feel good. You don't do it now.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, I have extra. Uh, I have extra doormats. I
figure you, of all people, need some extra. These are
brand new, never been used. These are good. I don't
know what this. What is this? Chili witch? Send me
more of these, Chiliwitch. I like these that you bring
these to the next time you have some hoity toity. Uh, person,
say I bring my own match to my gig. This
is so you don't walk on people's deck. I don't

(37:07):
know why I have these stilts, okay, but I think
you need a pair of stills to walk around These
are nice. They're they're retractable, so we'll get them to
your height.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'm going to send you a photo of me on
the deck. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
That'd be nice. You give those away or do whatever
you want.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Definitely a functional gift. I think that nice. Functional well,
you know, look, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
The warranty on No, no, those things are from Amazon.
They have to be quality. Eric, get these floor mets
in the fort, the drawing soult on the floor.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
It's just like Christmas. There is more than I got,
you know, well.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
But you're gonna love it. You got this good stuff here.
You've been doing this line of work for over three decades.
In that time, have you experienced deck building becoming increasingly complex?

Speaker 2 (38:01):
That is the most boring question, asked Breddy.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I won't ask you you ever fuck with any of
those composite materials or fastating a fuck?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
They need your customers.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Have you ever had a second any of your customers?
That's a good have you.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You want to get into it a little bit?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
No, unless you want to tell me do I know
them then my neighborhood. I built my wife's deck before
she was your wife. No, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'm just trying to find I have a couple of
questions for you.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh Jesus will take you ten hours to figure out
how to use your own phone.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Thank you. Yeah, I'm a little inept. No, no, continue,
please continue with your line of questioning. Something I lose.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
My is Justin's the biggest deck in Malibu? Yes or
no ah.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I'm pretty convinced I'm building a larger deck than he
has now. But I'll tell you what. Let's let him
live with that, because you know he's he's got such
little little in the life. He should.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Make sure that stays in the show. That's too fun.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Justin. I'm sorry, man, I love you, and forgive me
for not recognizing you a Trancis Market. I kind of
knew it was you. You're driving that Bronco, that retro.
It's not.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Blazer, he mocks me, because I have a retro bron
You got.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
The retro Bronco.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
You know you think you can build a dock, of course,
in the middle of the night. One night, in the
middle of the night, I got to do it illegally.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh yeah, I did in Malibu Lake. But uh uh,
you know what, we can try and pull that off.
Why not. Yeah, ship, I'll bring a crew over there.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
A crew.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
You got too many people going to keep that quiet?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
No, no, you gotta you gotta knock it out in
the winter, in the middle of the night. You get
a long night.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
That sounds like fun.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Though, Are you playing? Are you playing candy Crush over
there with the No?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I just fucking can't, I swear to God. Oh there
it is Frederick Carrion. Thank you. All right, let me
see if there's something here that i'd like to talk
to Daniel about. Oh my god, going on, I got
a whole bunch of time. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Freddy's gonna interview me now.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
So you say you like chewy cookies. You know what
I don't like chewy? I make cookies. I mean it's
all right, Peter's gonna get some. If you're lucky enough,
you'll get some. You'll probably complain that they're not chewy.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Let's say crunchy.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
No, they're a it's a cranberry chocolate chip. But the
cranberry's a little creanberry with the chocolate chip and the walnut.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Oh fuck off, I don't want any of it.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Go my cranberry chocolate chip walnut cookie. Very special. You
love it. Did you ever take that Porsche driving course
down off the four or five waste of time? You
want to have fun? You go to Fontana and you
get in one of those literally they got the NASCAR
cars on a half mile track. Crazy again for that experience.

(40:51):
I just could you know. Sometimes I'm listening to you know,
some of your guests make me nuts.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
You're listening to my podcast and then you're taking it's taking. No,
tell me, this is what I will in this particular moment.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Eddie, you weren't at the Heart concert last week, were you?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I wasn't. Okay, and then I swear I saw somebody
that looked just like Eddie.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Did you have a crown on?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well? That's he had a hat on, and I was
trying to get him to take it off to see
if he had a crown underneath it. Nothing there?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
All right?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
No, okay, I think I.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Mean again, I think I think we hit all the.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, I got, I got, I got you put your
phone out, I got one more question. I'm looking for
a hold on a second. Oh, I have a tash impersonation.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Okay, we'll get the phone off my desk.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
All right, all right, if I had my glasses, it
would be something like this. Ah, that's it. When he
like this, Kidy goes out a waste of time.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
You guys, you're the best. Thank you for helping Pasha.
I want to thank Freddy for being on the show.
I'm gonna be honest with you. Freddie might be one
of my favorite guests. I mean, complete maniac. I also
need him to come back to my house right now now.

(42:12):
Am I looking for a deal. No, Freddie's got a
family to support. I respect that charges me an honest rate,
But I would like my deck cleaned. Did you hear this, Carl,
Freddie already used the stilts that we gave him. I
thought there's no way in hell that that man was
gonna get on those stilts without dying. Sure shit, he

(42:36):
did it. That's great on a brand new deck too.
Wow a madman. All right, we got some plugs tossshowstore
dot com. Get your sweet merch. You hat Eddie's tour?
You got my tour? Where am I going? I'm going
to Vegas. I'm doing the Midwest in June, and then
we've got new dates being announced where San Francisco, the

(42:59):
Bay Air, Central California you know the Monterey the big
little lies areas, that Carmel. What else is in there?
San San Santa Cruz. That's fun. I love doing a
show in Santa Cruz. What a cute town. Now you're asleep.
Let's do the free plug. Hit the music that'll wake

(43:23):
you up and the sweet sounds of the cello. I
love a cello too. My mom played the cello. I
don't know if that's true. Did she play the cello?
She played the clarinet.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Very different, yeah different.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
She didn't play the cello. She played the clarinet. Now
I gotta ask.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Her, love it?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
What did she play? Hey, Margot, what instrument did you
play growing up?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Piano? Trumpet, french horn?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
French horn for the last six years, you.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Know, from junior high to high school.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, all right, that's what you Never played the cello,
never played. What about the clarinet?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, Carol played the clarinet. My two sisters did that.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I never did.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
That's all. That's all. I'll talk to you later, Bye bye.
French horn. I didn't see the french horn. No, I
didn't see that coming. All right, let's do this free
plug as free plug is for a couple of witches
who run the Green Witch Apothecary located in New Brunsville,

(44:43):
New Brunel News, New Bronfels, Texas, New Bronfles, Texas Apothecary,
The Green Witch. Huh, I mean that's who should run
an apothecary. Witches. They specialized an artisan made herbalist, formulated
or organic skin care products. What is it? Medicinal salves,

(45:05):
herbal teas and remedies, always in small batches and brews.
You leave a batter view online, they'll cast a spell,
making you grow a tail. It seems awful. They are
they They're not. They can't use their powers like that,
can they? They're just business women. Oh, Eddie here gets

(45:25):
his beard oil from them or beard balm? Whatever? Are
you just looking to get free beer beard balm out
of this?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
It stuff lasts a long time. I have to be.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
It'd be a weird long Yeah. What a what a
great way to save twelve bucks, Eddie making me plug
this goddamn witch business. Look ayeah, the beer bomb run
up to sixteen dollars. The oil sixteen dollars. You get
the oil or the the whatever the ball?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I get both?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Oh? Oh get Okay, that's some money, all.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Right, oils for the skin bombs.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
The beer, all right. They have anti aging creams, wellness tonics.
They're witches. They probably can whip up anything if you
ask him. Free shipping with orders over one hundred dollars
oly ship. That's you gotta really spend to get some
free shipping.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Good deal.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
That's not a good that's a bad deal. Or or
you can if you live near New Bromfields, you can
pick up your order from their front porch or one
of their area market events they attend each weekend in
the Texas hill Country. But where's the Texas Hill Country?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Everything north of Austin.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
No, this is near Austin. Oh, this is This is
nothing but hipster heaven here. All right. Well, head on
over to Greenwich Apothecary dot com. That's good that they
got that. See you next week.