October 11, 2024 • 29 mins
Get to know Jackie’s husband, Evan Goldschneider. He has always stayed on the sidelines during filming, but not today!
How does Evan really feel about being part of RHONJ?
Plus, he opens up about trying to help Jackie when she suffered from her eating disorder. And, how life has changed since she’s recovered.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, welcome back to Just Jackie and I have
a really special guest today. So you know, guys, this
limited pod is only six episodes, my solo pod, and
I wanted to make sure that someone really special to
me was invited on before this ends, because I feel
(00:22):
like people got to know very little about my husband
Evan on the show, and a lot of people were
intrigued by him because he's sort of like an outlier.
He didn't really get involved the way that other husbands
get involved on the show. He stayed by my side
but sort of on the sidelines as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And I know that people loved him. He really behaved
very well. He's very smart.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He didn't get in the mud, but people did not
get to really know him personally. And he's so smart
and funny and he has such interesting takes on life,
and I thought I'd love for everyone to get to
know him a little bit better. So today's guest is
my husband Evan. We're going to talk about everything from
reality fame, to parenting, to social media, what it was
(01:14):
like for him when I was sick, and the keys
to a good life.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So, without further ado, welcome Evan. Golschneider.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Hi, Jackie, Hi.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So a little bit about you, just for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So, Evan grew up in Westchester and New York, and
you were very sporty growing up. You were asked to
go to a special tennis school in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Why didn't you go?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I didn't go because I didn't have parents that pushed me.
Thanks for opening up another wound, but they should have
pushed me. So I had an opportunity to go to
avolitary camp. I don't know if I was good, I
probably wouldn't have made it because I think mentally I
wasn't really ready to be good at tennis. But I
was supposed to live there right after sanm person Agacy.
(02:01):
I was a shy kid, so I said no. My
parents were like, oh, that's good, we'll keep you at home.
In retrospect, what they should have done and said, get
your ass down there, and you know, not follow your dreams,
follow our dreams, which was they wanted me to be
a great tennis player, but they didn't want to push me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So, well, you're still a great tennis player, and I
know that that's influenced how you parents are kids.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So you graduated from Michigan in ninety six, still a
huge Michigan fan, and Georgetown Business School.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And now now you teach at Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
What do you teach, of course on hedge fund investing?
Actually two courses, so I was just trying to go
over something right now, trying to get speed. I get
speakers for a lot of my classes, so I make
it a little bit easier on me. I only have
to lecture the first two classes, and then outside of
that then the speakers do the hard job for me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think I love that you're professor. I like breaking
about that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You are a very avid, very avid reader. You watch
the same movies over and over again, very into politics.
But let's start with something a lot more shallow. Let
me ask you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So you spent four years as a full.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Time spouse on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, two
years as a part time spouse, but you were never
into fame and you're pretty much a private person. You're
not on social media. What is it like without commenting
on your feelings about the show. What is it like
for a private person to suddenly be thrust into this spotlight,
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this public sphere.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
By the way after twenty one years. Thanks for getting
my bio correct. That's really impressive. So being a private person,
you know, it's the uncertainty of what you're going to
That's what I didn't like. I didn't know, So there's
anxiety about, like I don't want to be recognized. I mean,
you know the stories I tell about my favorite dinner
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of all time, and no offense. It's not with you,
it's not with the kids. My favorite dinner is by
myself in nineteen ninety nine, sitting at Nobu in London
a book. I had my two souporos and I was
by myself. I was free, like nobody noticed me. It
was just, you know, I was incognito. Same thing as
I used to love sitting on a subway and reading
my newspaper and just you know, being essentially invisible to
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the world and then visible when I need to be.
So for that, for bringing somebody that likes that and
then being recognized on the street, I mean, it's it's
it's a change, definitely, But I actually, you know what
I'd be living if I said I didn't embrace it.
And you see, like everybody that comes to me and
asks for a picture, says Hi, I'm like, I'm flattered
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that they would ever come to me for anything. I mean,
who am I anyway? You know, I'm a kind of
a husband and father first, So to judge me based
on you know, seeing me on the shows, you know,
I got used to it, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't
be honest if I said there wasn't some anxiety going
into it. But it's actually turned out a lot better
than I thought.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right, there were good parts of fame, right, name one. Well,
I mean it does open doors. Did it open any
doors for you?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Shut of for you? But that's okay, No, really, I
mean open it didn't open any doors?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Really, I mean it opened a lot of doors for me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well that's the most important, Like going into this, I
think your happiness is my happiness, right, So to see
you happy in being able to chase some of your dreams, like,
that's fantastic as well, So fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So without you know, talking about specifics or laying any
blame or anything, there was you did have one very
bad season where a lot of negative things are said
about you. What was that like for you as a
private person to see people in the public sphere of
commenting on you, commenting on like.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Untruths about you. Was it uncomfortable? Did it make you angry?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, I was more angry at the situation than
anything because going into it, you know, we had or
you had said, like, You're not going to be impacted
at all. You're just gonna be there. You're probably gonna
be doing a bunch of shots with the guys. You're
gonna be eating a lot of lamp shops like you
always do in the background. So to have like my
reputation smeared in a way, yeah, I thought that was
(06:15):
That was what bothered me more than anything. Yeah, just
because going into it, like you know, I thought, look,
it's it's gonna take some of my time. I'm gonna
be doing some things I don't want to do, but
but I'm gonna be protected reputation wise. And then when
that reputation was sullied in a way like that, obviously
that the whole situation annoyed me more than anything. That
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That's why I was angry, to be honest, Like, the
whole situation is like why am I doing this? Not
only am I a jet fan and I have to
live through a misery, but now I have to live
through this. I mean, not not making light of it,
but still like it was. It was annoying just being
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I think that's the fear that most husbands would
have going in, Like they want to support their wife,
but they're afraid of getting dried into the drama when
they don't want to be a part of the drama.
But on our show, the men do want to be
a part of the drama, and you kind of always
stood outside of that. Are there any other husbands you
feel like don't want to be involved in the drama.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, I think most of the husbands embraced it for
some reason. That's just not my personality. I mean, there's
a variety of reasons why I don't want to, Like
I feel like there's more downside to my career than upside,
and if I act like a fool or say what
I want like there's then that opens me up to
criticism from people online, which you know, I don't even
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read it anyway, but still I don't want that. You know,
I did the show for you one hundred percent, Like
there was no like, there is no what can I
get out of this? That was not my motivation at all,
and obviously because I got nothing out of it beside
your happiness, but nothing personally for me. Like there's no
business opportunities that were opened up, I can tell you,
(07:54):
like in twenty twenty despite what happened in twenty twenty one,
Like it was so boring being at home every day
thing doing the same thing. I mean, you know, I
didn't even go past the driveway for like the first
two months. Yeah, so something that's a little bit different.
That was great, Like the timing was fine. You know.
I wish there wasn't a rumor that was started at
my birthday party, which is why I'm always scared of
(08:16):
my birthday now. But outside of that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'll never throw you a party again.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well didn't I tell you before that? Please don't do.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You keep in touch with any of the husbands.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I did, but not anymore. No, I mean there's Louis
is the only one that I talked to because you know,
we go out to dinner with them outside of that,
Like I don't, but you know how guys are, Like
if if we wanted to talk, we would just get together,
have a bunch of drinks and feel like nothing's changed
over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, okay, well that makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You talk a lot about one day running for political office.
If you ran for political office, your name would get
smeared a thousand times worse than anything that can happen
on this show.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So why is that okay for you?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But not this because I'm running for political office, because
I'm doing something that's good potentially not only for me,
but more importantly, you have a change legacy, right Like,
when you're running for political office, that's the best way
to have a legacy to enact different legislation, to to
be a voice on a pro Israel voice, on a
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low tax voice, on a socially liberal voice. So you know,
I'm throwing all those things out there, so you can't
even tell what uh what political party I am. But look,
I think it's doing. It's it's a necessary evil. I
don't love it, but it's it's a it's a means
to an end. That that's it's part of the territory
when you're running for political office, right like, they're going.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, I mean you'd be okay being attacked like all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, of course, okay, I'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
But look, one's a reality show, right, and then one
is you're getting attacked for being on a reality show,
and the other one you're attacked because you're you're trying
to do good for people by being an office lot.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know ninety nine point nine nine percent of politicians
don't try to do good for society, but they try
to do good for themselves. I would be running only
for the whole purpose of hopefully making you know, my constituency,
whatever district I am in, or the country as a
whole better. That's it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Do you think that being on the show would hurt
you or help you?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hurt me?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean, it didn't hurt Donald Trump, but I think, now,
well that's a great one. How many other reality people
have ever run for office has been successful? Like, it
doesn't happen because there's I think, frankly, there's a negative connotation.
People kind of look at you like, oh, you're that
guy who was accused of something. You're that guy who's
(11:03):
always in the back dooring shots with the other guys.
Like you just don't look like a serious You don't
look like a serious person at that point.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So let's shift and let's talk about social media, because
you're not so active on social media, but you have
witnessed the effect that it's definitely had on me. Also
the effect that it's had on our kids, specifically our daughter,
without going into specifics, she just did not have good
reactions to social media.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
A lot of fighting on there.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
She's in middle school, a lot of dangerous algorithms, bullying.
But I see it as a necessary evil because that's
the way the kids socialize now, and it's here to stay.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Tell me what your thoughts on are kids, kids in
general today and social media and parenting, what you do
with it all.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think you can probably heard me in the car
when we were going somewhere in Las Vegas. And I
truly believe this. If you look at your kids' screen time,
and I was looking at Hudson's and it was like
seven hours a day, all right, seven hours a day,
all right. Maybe he's listening to podcasts, you know, maybe
he's doing research on you know, biomechanics or something that's
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good for you. And it was like three hours on TikTok,
two hours on Instagram. So what I say is social
media is here to stay and you said it's a
necessary evil, but still an evil. Right, That's not good.
If you spend ten to fifteen minutes a day just
looking at some stories, et cetera, that's fine. If you're
spending hours on it, that's hours that you can be
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doing homework to get better grades. Hours that if you say,
like some of our kids like basketball, obviously they want
to be good basketball players, those are hours that you
could be practicing that you can be getting better at something.
I also think that you have a lot of these
anonymous trolls and fools on social media that can say
whatever they want and they kind of on behind behind
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you know, a door that nobody ever sees behind that door,
so you just remain anonymous. I think it's it's a
cesspool of misinformation. It's a cesspool of people just trying
to get a rise out of you. And like the
people that usually say stuff that say mean stuff like
I had people you know, who write to me and
talk to me about like my jewno's and like stuff
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like that. I don't kind of laugh because I have fine,
I got a jew nose. I don't care. But at
the same time, the people that are writing it are
like these disgusting low lives. And that's why, you know,
when when I talk to you about like people saying
stuff on social media to you, you have to consider
who's writing it and who's saying it. Like most of
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the people, not all, but most of the people that
are writing these mean things that are taking time out
of their day to try to diminish you are the
biggest losers in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Be honest, like I know, and it's and you've got
a very level head about it. I had a very
hard time. I signed off of Instagram for almost a month,
and I know that during that time there was just
tons of mean comments about me. They've all gone away,
but you're really good at reminding me who's writing them.
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And I have to say, like, I've never, as much
as I've disliked certain people, I've never ever gone on
someone's page who I disliked and wrote something mean to them,
even like.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would never even consider doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So it's just bizarre to me that people have the
time and the inclination to do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But you're very good at reminding me.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know what I think you should do from now
on if you ever get a message from somebody that
is mean. I want you to visualize what that person
looks like where they're sitting in their parents' basement probably
or like a shirt up to hear the sooner, you're
a little bit of pop or you like disgusting, Like
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you have to be a disgusting person to write these
disgusting things, and you have to ask something like really
unhappy with your own life? You think about it. If
they're trying to make you unhappy, they're probably unhappy in
their own life.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So that's your Is that how you process it when
people say rude thanks to you?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I probably do. I just didn't realize, but yeah, probably.
I just know that they're all anybody who would take
time out of their day to write something to me
where I'm so insignificant in this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
World right now, Like no, you are not stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, My world is you, guys, is you and the kids.
But like from a reality TV show, I'm a husband
on a reality TV show. That's why they're going to
write mean things like that's it's just so stupid, like
save your time for more important things.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I agree. Let's shift to I want your take on this.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So in our area, northern New Jersey is very super
competitive when it comes to getting into college. Right, So
we've got two high schoolers now, and I see what
goes on with the I mean, there are college advisors
that people hire that are tens of thousands of people.
Parents have their kids starting businesses for their college applications.
(16:05):
I don't want to do any of that. What I
would like to do is what I did. Work hard,
try my best, apply to schools and see where I
get in. Study hard for the for the SATs, you know,
get a tutor of course, or go to a course.
I went to Princeton Review, and then see where you
get in. And then for me, the most important is
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that not that our kids are at an Ivyleague.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
School, but that they're at that are a way.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Somewhere where they can learn independence and have a good
time and learn and then get out.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And hustle and work their ass off. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I mostly agree with that. So I the more
I do this, you know, teaching and meet a lot
of people like there's there's not really a high correlation
in my opinion, between where you go to school and
intelligence or success. You could be successful going to like
an average school sometimes people just mature later. You know,
(17:04):
I was. I got into a pretty good undergrad and
I just I wasn't ready. I'm matured really later. Uh
you'd probably say I'm stolen the process of mature. No,
oh really, I'm a good actor then. But I think
for the kids, yeah, Like I want them to be kids,
and I want them to work hard. They don't have
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to do all this extraneous stuff like, you know, be
the head of the bait club, start a finance club,
start a nonprofit you know, to help you know, uh,
the seals in Norway. Like, it just doesn't it's just
not necessary. It's super competitive, get good grades. Work hard. Look,
I think the working hard, I think that's an important
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character to have because you know, once you have that characteristic,
you work hard. Now you know what it means to
work hard during your first job, your second job, because
that's then you set your career on a good path.
And look, maybe our kids want to be in sports,
maybe they want to be lawyers like you, maybe they
want to go on finance, but whatever it is, they
have to work hard and they have to earn what
they got. I mean, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And you know, I've been toying with going back to
law that we'll talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But I never took the New Jersey Bar exam, so
i'd have to sit for that again.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But to think about it, yeah, I don't mind studying,
though I want to shift to something else because I
get a lot of people asking me how to help
a loved one who's struggling with an eating disorder. So
I just want to know because you and I don't
talk about this too much, but I never really considered
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when I was anorexic for twenty years, I didn't really
consider the impact on you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And the kids.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was very much a lonely disease that I didn't
talk to anybody about. But I know it did impact you,
and I touch on it in my book. But you know,
just for all the people listening who have a loved
one who struggles with any kind of addiction or illness,
what's it like to watch someone you love do something
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dangerous to themselves and not be able to help them.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You feel pretty helpless to why. It's always good to
get outside help. But you know, I never said, hey,
you need some help. I was more, you know, hey,
why don't we make this together? Or why don't we
go to dinner here? Why don't we do this? And
you know, once the notes started piling up, I kind of,
you know, went into my own shell a little bit,
(19:35):
and I wish I could have helped you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I say, like, there's no
there's no guidebook, like nobody tells you when you get married,
like what to do if your spouse is, you know,
slowly killing themselves. You know, because people ask me, they're like, well,
couldn't Evan help you? And it's a mental illness, so
it's very hard to you know, crack that nut with
an adult. With a kid, you could stick them into rehab,
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but with an adult, it's really hard. Did you worry
about the impact on the kids?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yes, yes, so yeah, I mean I was worried about it.
And I think one thing that really shook you more
than anything was when I told you that they noticed
it and they asked me about it, which they did,
so I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
They didn't know that Yeah, yeah, no, Look they observed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
They're smart kids, and they knew that it was a
little bit different. So look, they just knew that it
was different. They didn't know that it was kind of
a mental illness. They didn't know any of that stuff. Frankly,
I knew it was a mental illness. But there's only
so much you can try. The hard thing, like being
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part of it and being the spouse to somebody that
has the disease, is that you try and try, and
then all of a sudden, like the more you try,
the less likely you're going to get a positive response,
because there's only so many ways to say, Hey, you know,
let's let's go share a pizza right now, or let's
cook together, let's make steaks together. I knew, like the
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answer is definitely going to be no. There had to
be some willingness on your part to say, you know,
it's a problem and I want to take care of it,
and to seek outside help, professional help, Like I mean,
I don't I.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Can help because it's not it's not about the availability
of the food or someone to eat it with. It's
it's much deeper than that. So can I ask you
how life has changed since I've recovered.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's great, it's fantastic, Like, I just love number one
that you're happier, because you know, having having an eating
disorder makes you irritable a lot. I know it makes it.
It's just you're not living your life to the fullest.
And I've always said that, you know, at a certain age,
and I joke that I'm on the back nine of
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life now that I'm fifty. You have to enjoy life
because it's it's short and sweet, and eating is a
big part of it. I hate to say it, you
know you sometimes three meals, four meals, but I know,
whatever it is, however many meals a day. It's not
something you can avoid. You can't. You can't just say,
you know, I'm not going to do it. It's a
big part of your life. It's a big part of enjoyment.
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It's a big part of socializing, which I know you
love to do. So I'm just happy that you're happy.
I think you've made some amazing strides. I'm very proud
of you because I know a lot of people don't
have the will power or the desire to make that change.
Or maybe they have the desire, but they just don't
have the ability to walk in and say I need help.
(22:34):
And maybe that's a positive for the show. To be
honest too, is that since everything was kind of televised,
that it held you to be accountable to follow through
in a way. So absolutely, So I hate to be
positive on.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
The show, but so we take longer vacations. I don't
exercise on vacation. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Dinner, reading pizza together in Rome.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Do that again, yeah, I would love.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
All right, So your perspectives on life, and then I
have some rapid fire questions and then I'll let you
get back to your finance job. Your father was a
Holocaust survivor, My grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How how did that affect you?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
How does that affect your perspective on life or anything
that you've been through?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What's your what's your take on like how to live
a good life?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I mean, one, I'm very pro Israel, so that's been
passed down. But it's also you know, it's come organically
just by by reading and you know, learning about certain things.
So you know, I read a lot, a lot of
Middle East politics and history and stuff. The perspective is
life is short. I mean of obviously you know me
better than anybody. Is that you know, not not to
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get too angry, not to get too high, too low,
but to really just enjoy every moment and realize that
life is short. So I always say that you know
you're judged by you know, when you're on your deathbed,
you know who's going to be there. So the most
important thing in life is not material goods. It's the
relationships that you have. And also, you know, you want
to enjoy life. That's why I keep talking to you about, like,
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you know, four years and ten months, not that I'm
counting when the kids are all away in school. I
want to see the world, travel and experience things. So
you know, you know, I don't want to be this
guy who's seventy five years old, and I'm like, yeah,
you know, I've been in New Jersey for the last
forty years, and you know what, I really love New Jersey.
Like like, New Jersey's fine, But I'm a big believer
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in seeing the world and experiencing things and not having
any regrets by the time that your life is done,
because everybody's life's over. You look at an actual aerial table.
I'm supposed to live to eighty two, so I got
another thirty two years and I want to enjoy those years.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I hope you have more than that. Do you have it?
Do you have anything on your buck list?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, I want to see every country. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And I may want to skydive, oh no, and I
want to sky alone. No, you got to go. I
don't want to into a volcano with you too.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, there's so many I never I never do you
do you have an inner critic?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And how do you silence it?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, all the time, and I don't silence it, so
I should be better. Everybody has an inner critic, so
it's I mean, I'm definitely not a perfectionist, but I
always feel like I could do better. The only way
to really silence it is and these it happens maybe
like ten percent of the time. Yesterday, like I was
downstairs working here till like six thirty non stop, and
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then I want to come up and read and eat.
But I felt like I accomplished a lot yesterday, so
my inner critic was happy. There are other days are life,
you know what, I could have done a lot more.
And the same thing with kids too, by the way,
is like my inner with them is you know, I
just had a conversation with one of the kids saying, hey,
are you really serious about asketball? Because if you are,
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then I'm going to train you and we're going to
give you all the resources to be successful, and if
you're not then that's fine. Just be a kid, chase
girls have fun like drink, have fun like geca grades
do you everything? Well, well, it's the best way to.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Give me drink at twenty one.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
No, you know, I'm half Belgian, So in Belgium there's.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No drinking age, is there not? No, there is. It's European.
It's eighteen right.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Like four. My dad was giving me wine when I
was like three.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Really, yeah, ANSI drinking?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But see, I think you got a drink in moderation
when you're young, so that you don't abuse it later.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I agree with that. The kids had wine in Italy,
they didn't really like it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
One of our kids had like three glasses and was
still fun.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That concerns me. Do you believe in karma? Yes, Yeah,
that's good to know.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
It's usually negative.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think it's like if you if people have done
bad things, do you let the universe handle them?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, what's the opposite of karma? Fate face?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, I think it's the same thing, same thing, yeah,
or do you just believe? Do you believe, like in
a higher power in the universe? I know we're not religious.
We're part of the Jewish community, but we're not religious.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah. Well, I believe that h plus of one success,
like business wise, is based on luck. Really in my industry,
it's like, at least I've seen so many dumb people
make so much money.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And I think the last thing I want to ask
you is what what really brings you the most joy?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Just family relationships. That's it really is, like experiencing things together,
you know what. Like one of the happiest moments was
when we were at Arizona. I want to climbing those mountains,
Like that was fantastic. Just being with all of you,
nobody fighting, doing something active, being with just the core
of five plus me. That's all I care about. I'm
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not like you know me, I haven't even gone shopping
outside of what you bought me for my birthday, which
was great. Like, I don't really care about material goods.
I care about relationships. Love. That's really it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I love you, your great husband.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Thank you for standing by my side during my recovery.
Thank you for being on this show with me. Begrudgingly.
I know you did not want to do it when
it started. I don't know where it's going from here.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's only going to great places because you're at the helme.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Ah, well, I'm not the helme of the show.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No, no, no, I'm not talking about my podcast talking
about the Housewives.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh yeah, all right, you don't want me to answer that.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, I mean listen. I don't know where it's going,
but podcasting. I love. Thank you for being a part
of it. Thank you, and uh, do you have any
questions for me?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No? Can I come upstairs and make so munch?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You should? Yeah, come upstairs. I'd love to see you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All right, everyone, that's our episode for today. Thank you
for joining us, and thank you Evan for joining us.
I love you, love you, and love all you guys,
and I will see you next time.
Hey, guys, welcome back to Just Jackie and I have
a really special guest today. So you know, guys, this
limited pod is only six episodes, my solo pod, and
I wanted to make sure that someone really special to
me was invited on before this ends, because I feel
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like people got to know very little about my husband
Evan on the show, and a lot of people were
intrigued by him because he's sort of like an outlier.
He didn't really get involved the way that other husbands
get involved on the show. He stayed by my side
but sort of on the sidelines as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And I know that people loved him. He really behaved
very well. He's very smart.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He didn't get in the mud, but people did not
get to really know him personally. And he's so smart
and funny and he has such interesting takes on life,
and I thought I'd love for everyone to get to
know him a little bit better. So today's guest is
my husband Evan. We're going to talk about everything from
reality fame, to parenting, to social media, what it was
(01:14):
like for him when I was sick, and the keys
to a good life.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So, without further ado, welcome Evan. Golschneider.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Hi, Jackie, Hi.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So a little bit about you, just for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So, Evan grew up in Westchester and New York, and
you were very sporty growing up. You were asked to
go to a special tennis school in Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Why didn't you go?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I didn't go because I didn't have parents that pushed me.
Thanks for opening up another wound, but they should have
pushed me. So I had an opportunity to go to
avolitary camp. I don't know if I was good, I
probably wouldn't have made it because I think mentally I
wasn't really ready to be good at tennis. But I
was supposed to live there right after sanm person Agacy.
(02:01):
I was a shy kid, so I said no. My
parents were like, oh, that's good, we'll keep you at home.
In retrospect, what they should have done and said, get
your ass down there, and you know, not follow your dreams,
follow our dreams, which was they wanted me to be
a great tennis player, but they didn't want to push me.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So, well, you're still a great tennis player, and I
know that that's influenced how you parents are kids.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So you graduated from Michigan in ninety six, still a
huge Michigan fan, and Georgetown Business School.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And now now you teach at Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
What do you teach, of course on hedge fund investing?
Actually two courses, so I was just trying to go
over something right now, trying to get speed. I get
speakers for a lot of my classes, so I make
it a little bit easier on me. I only have
to lecture the first two classes, and then outside of
that then the speakers do the hard job for me.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think I love that you're professor. I like breaking
about that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You are a very avid, very avid reader. You watch
the same movies over and over again, very into politics.
But let's start with something a lot more shallow. Let
me ask you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So you spent four years as a full.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Time spouse on the Real Housewives of New Jersey, two
years as a part time spouse, but you were never
into fame and you're pretty much a private person. You're
not on social media. What is it like without commenting
on your feelings about the show. What is it like
for a private person to suddenly be thrust into this spotlight,
(03:30):
this public sphere.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
By the way after twenty one years. Thanks for getting
my bio correct. That's really impressive. So being a private person,
you know, it's the uncertainty of what you're going to
That's what I didn't like. I didn't know, So there's
anxiety about, like I don't want to be recognized. I mean,
you know the stories I tell about my favorite dinner
(03:52):
of all time, and no offense. It's not with you,
it's not with the kids. My favorite dinner is by
myself in nineteen ninety nine, sitting at Nobu in London
a book. I had my two souporos and I was
by myself. I was free, like nobody noticed me. It
was just, you know, I was incognito. Same thing as
I used to love sitting on a subway and reading
my newspaper and just you know, being essentially invisible to
(04:14):
the world and then visible when I need to be.
So for that, for bringing somebody that likes that and
then being recognized on the street, I mean, it's it's
it's a change, definitely, But I actually, you know what
I'd be living if I said I didn't embrace it.
And you see, like everybody that comes to me and
asks for a picture, says Hi, I'm like, I'm flattered
(04:35):
that they would ever come to me for anything. I mean,
who am I anyway? You know, I'm a kind of
a husband and father first, So to judge me based
on you know, seeing me on the shows, you know,
I got used to it, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't
be honest if I said there wasn't some anxiety going
into it. But it's actually turned out a lot better
than I thought.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right, there were good parts of fame, right, name one. Well,
I mean it does open doors. Did it open any
doors for you?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Shut of for you? But that's okay, No, really, I
mean open it didn't open any doors?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Really, I mean it opened a lot of doors for me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well that's the most important, Like going into this, I
think your happiness is my happiness, right, So to see
you happy in being able to chase some of your dreams, like,
that's fantastic as well, So fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
So without you know, talking about specifics or laying any
blame or anything, there was you did have one very
bad season where a lot of negative things are said
about you. What was that like for you as a
private person to see people in the public sphere of
commenting on you, commenting on like.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Untruths about you. Was it uncomfortable? Did it make you angry?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, I was more angry at the situation than
anything because going into it, you know, we had or
you had said, like, You're not going to be impacted
at all. You're just gonna be there. You're probably gonna
be doing a bunch of shots with the guys. You're
gonna be eating a lot of lamp shops like you
always do in the background. So to have like my
reputation smeared in a way, yeah, I thought that was
(06:15):
That was what bothered me more than anything. Yeah, just
because going into it, like you know, I thought, look,
it's it's gonna take some of my time. I'm gonna
be doing some things I don't want to do, but
but I'm gonna be protected reputation wise. And then when
that reputation was sullied in a way like that, obviously
that the whole situation annoyed me more than anything. That
(06:37):
That's why I was angry, to be honest, Like, the
whole situation is like why am I doing this? Not
only am I a jet fan and I have to
live through a misery, but now I have to live
through this. I mean, not not making light of it,
but still like it was. It was annoying just being
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I think that's the fear that most husbands would
have going in, Like they want to support their wife,
but they're afraid of getting dried into the drama when
they don't want to be a part of the drama.
But on our show, the men do want to be
a part of the drama, and you kind of always
stood outside of that. Are there any other husbands you
feel like don't want to be involved in the drama.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
No, I think most of the husbands embraced it for
some reason. That's just not my personality. I mean, there's
a variety of reasons why I don't want to, Like
I feel like there's more downside to my career than upside,
and if I act like a fool or say what
I want like there's then that opens me up to
criticism from people online, which you know, I don't even
(07:31):
read it anyway, but still I don't want that. You know,
I did the show for you one hundred percent, Like
there was no like, there is no what can I
get out of this? That was not my motivation at all,
and obviously because I got nothing out of it beside
your happiness, but nothing personally for me. Like there's no
business opportunities that were opened up, I can tell you,
(07:54):
like in twenty twenty despite what happened in twenty twenty one,
Like it was so boring being at home every day
thing doing the same thing. I mean, you know, I
didn't even go past the driveway for like the first
two months. Yeah, so something that's a little bit different.
That was great, Like the timing was fine. You know.
I wish there wasn't a rumor that was started at
my birthday party, which is why I'm always scared of
(08:16):
my birthday now. But outside of that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'll never throw you a party again.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well didn't I tell you before that? Please don't do.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You keep in touch with any of the husbands.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I did, but not anymore. No, I mean there's Louis
is the only one that I talked to because you know,
we go out to dinner with them outside of that,
Like I don't, but you know how guys are, Like
if if we wanted to talk, we would just get together,
have a bunch of drinks and feel like nothing's changed
over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, okay, well that makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You talk a lot about one day running for political office.
If you ran for political office, your name would get
smeared a thousand times worse than anything that can happen
on this show.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So why is that okay for you?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But not this because I'm running for political office, because
I'm doing something that's good potentially not only for me,
but more importantly, you have a change legacy, right Like,
when you're running for political office, that's the best way
to have a legacy to enact different legislation, to to
be a voice on a pro Israel voice, on a
(09:34):
low tax voice, on a socially liberal voice. So you know,
I'm throwing all those things out there, so you can't
even tell what uh what political party I am. But look,
I think it's doing. It's it's a necessary evil. I
don't love it, but it's it's a it's a means
to an end. That that's it's part of the territory
when you're running for political office, right like, they're going.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, I mean you'd be okay being attacked like all
over the place.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, of course, okay, I'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
But look, one's a reality show, right, and then one
is you're getting attacked for being on a reality show,
and the other one you're attacked because you're you're trying
to do good for people by being an office lot.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know ninety nine point nine nine percent of politicians
don't try to do good for society, but they try
to do good for themselves. I would be running only
for the whole purpose of hopefully making you know, my constituency,
whatever district I am in, or the country as a
whole better. That's it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Do you think that being on the show would hurt
you or help you?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hurt me?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean, it didn't hurt Donald Trump, but I think, now,
well that's a great one. How many other reality people
have ever run for office has been successful? Like, it
doesn't happen because there's I think, frankly, there's a negative connotation.
People kind of look at you like, oh, you're that
guy who was accused of something. You're that guy who's
(11:03):
always in the back dooring shots with the other guys.
Like you just don't look like a serious You don't
look like a serious person at that point.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So let's shift and let's talk about social media, because
you're not so active on social media, but you have
witnessed the effect that it's definitely had on me. Also
the effect that it's had on our kids, specifically our daughter,
without going into specifics, she just did not have good
reactions to social media.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
A lot of fighting on there.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
She's in middle school, a lot of dangerous algorithms, bullying.
But I see it as a necessary evil because that's
the way the kids socialize now, and it's here to stay.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Tell me what your thoughts on are kids, kids in
general today and social media and parenting, what you do
with it all.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think you can probably heard me in the car
when we were going somewhere in Las Vegas. And I
truly believe this. If you look at your kids' screen time,
and I was looking at Hudson's and it was like
seven hours a day, all right, seven hours a day,
all right. Maybe he's listening to podcasts, you know, maybe
he's doing research on you know, biomechanics or something that's
(12:18):
good for you. And it was like three hours on TikTok,
two hours on Instagram. So what I say is social
media is here to stay and you said it's a
necessary evil, but still an evil. Right, That's not good.
If you spend ten to fifteen minutes a day just
looking at some stories, et cetera, that's fine. If you're
spending hours on it, that's hours that you can be
(12:39):
doing homework to get better grades. Hours that if you say,
like some of our kids like basketball, obviously they want
to be good basketball players, those are hours that you
could be practicing that you can be getting better at something.
I also think that you have a lot of these
anonymous trolls and fools on social media that can say
whatever they want and they kind of on behind behind
(13:01):
you know, a door that nobody ever sees behind that door,
so you just remain anonymous. I think it's it's a
cesspool of misinformation. It's a cesspool of people just trying
to get a rise out of you. And like the
people that usually say stuff that say mean stuff like
I had people you know, who write to me and
talk to me about like my jewno's and like stuff
(13:22):
like that. I don't kind of laugh because I have fine,
I got a jew nose. I don't care. But at
the same time, the people that are writing it are
like these disgusting low lives. And that's why, you know,
when when I talk to you about like people saying
stuff on social media to you, you have to consider
who's writing it and who's saying it. Like most of
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the people, not all, but most of the people that
are writing these mean things that are taking time out
of their day to try to diminish you are the
biggest losers in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Be honest, like I know, and it's and you've got
a very level head about it. I had a very
hard time. I signed off of Instagram for almost a month,
and I know that during that time there was just
tons of mean comments about me. They've all gone away,
but you're really good at reminding me who's writing them.
(14:11):
And I have to say, like, I've never, as much
as I've disliked certain people, I've never ever gone on
someone's page who I disliked and wrote something mean to them,
even like.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I would never even consider doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So it's just bizarre to me that people have the
time and the inclination to do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But you're very good at reminding me.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know what I think you should do from now
on if you ever get a message from somebody that
is mean. I want you to visualize what that person
looks like where they're sitting in their parents' basement probably
or like a shirt up to hear the sooner, you're
a little bit of pop or you like disgusting, Like
(14:52):
you have to be a disgusting person to write these
disgusting things, and you have to ask something like really
unhappy with your own life? You think about it. If
they're trying to make you unhappy, they're probably unhappy in
their own life.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So that's your Is that how you process it when
people say rude thanks to you?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I probably do. I just didn't realize, but yeah, probably.
I just know that they're all anybody who would take
time out of their day to write something to me
where I'm so insignificant in this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
World right now, Like no, you are not stop it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, My world is you, guys, is you and the kids.
But like from a reality TV show, I'm a husband
on a reality TV show. That's why they're going to
write mean things like that's it's just so stupid, like
save your time for more important things.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I agree. Let's shift to I want your take on this.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So in our area, northern New Jersey is very super
competitive when it comes to getting into college. Right, So
we've got two high schoolers now, and I see what
goes on with the I mean, there are college advisors
that people hire that are tens of thousands of people.
Parents have their kids starting businesses for their college applications.
(16:05):
I don't want to do any of that. What I
would like to do is what I did. Work hard,
try my best, apply to schools and see where I
get in. Study hard for the for the SATs, you know,
get a tutor of course, or go to a course.
I went to Princeton Review, and then see where you
get in. And then for me, the most important is
(16:26):
that not that our kids are at an Ivyleague.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
School, but that they're at that are a way.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Somewhere where they can learn independence and have a good
time and learn and then get out.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And hustle and work their ass off. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I mostly agree with that. So I the more
I do this, you know, teaching and meet a lot
of people like there's there's not really a high correlation
in my opinion, between where you go to school and
intelligence or success. You could be successful going to like
an average school sometimes people just mature later. You know,
(17:04):
I was. I got into a pretty good undergrad and
I just I wasn't ready. I'm matured really later. Uh
you'd probably say I'm stolen the process of mature. No,
oh really, I'm a good actor then. But I think
for the kids, yeah, Like I want them to be kids,
and I want them to work hard. They don't have
(17:26):
to do all this extraneous stuff like, you know, be
the head of the bait club, start a finance club,
start a nonprofit you know, to help you know, uh,
the seals in Norway. Like, it just doesn't it's just
not necessary. It's super competitive, get good grades. Work hard. Look,
I think the working hard, I think that's an important
(17:48):
character to have because you know, once you have that characteristic,
you work hard. Now you know what it means to
work hard during your first job, your second job, because
that's then you set your career on a good path.
And look, maybe our kids want to be in sports,
maybe they want to be lawyers like you, maybe they
want to go on finance, but whatever it is, they
have to work hard and they have to earn what
they got. I mean, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And you know, I've been toying with going back to
law that we'll talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But I never took the New Jersey Bar exam, so
i'd have to sit for that again.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But to think about it, yeah, I don't mind studying,
though I want to shift to something else because I
get a lot of people asking me how to help
a loved one who's struggling with an eating disorder. So
I just want to know because you and I don't
talk about this too much, but I never really considered
(18:44):
when I was anorexic for twenty years, I didn't really
consider the impact on you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And the kids.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was very much a lonely disease that I didn't
talk to anybody about. But I know it did impact you,
and I touch on it in my book. But you know,
just for all the people listening who have a loved
one who struggles with any kind of addiction or illness,
what's it like to watch someone you love do something
(19:10):
dangerous to themselves and not be able to help them.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You feel pretty helpless to why. It's always good to
get outside help. But you know, I never said, hey,
you need some help. I was more, you know, hey,
why don't we make this together? Or why don't we
go to dinner here? Why don't we do this? And
you know, once the notes started piling up, I kind of,
you know, went into my own shell a little bit,
(19:35):
and I wish I could have helped you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I say, like, there's no
there's no guidebook, like nobody tells you when you get married,
like what to do if your spouse is, you know,
slowly killing themselves. You know, because people ask me, they're like, well,
couldn't Evan help you? And it's a mental illness, so
it's very hard to you know, crack that nut with
an adult. With a kid, you could stick them into rehab,
(19:59):
but with an adult, it's really hard. Did you worry
about the impact on the kids?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yes, yes, so yeah, I mean I was worried about it.
And I think one thing that really shook you more
than anything was when I told you that they noticed
it and they asked me about it, which they did,
so I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
They didn't know that Yeah, yeah, no, Look they observed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
They're smart kids, and they knew that it was a
little bit different. So look, they just knew that it
was different. They didn't know that it was kind of
a mental illness. They didn't know any of that stuff. Frankly,
I knew it was a mental illness. But there's only
so much you can try. The hard thing, like being
(20:44):
part of it and being the spouse to somebody that
has the disease, is that you try and try, and
then all of a sudden, like the more you try,
the less likely you're going to get a positive response,
because there's only so many ways to say, Hey, you know,
let's let's go share a pizza right now, or let's
cook together, let's make steaks together. I knew, like the
(21:07):
answer is definitely going to be no. There had to
be some willingness on your part to say, you know,
it's a problem and I want to take care of it,
and to seek outside help, professional help, Like I mean,
I don't I.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Can help because it's not it's not about the availability
of the food or someone to eat it with. It's
it's much deeper than that. So can I ask you
how life has changed since I've recovered.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's great, it's fantastic, Like, I just love number one
that you're happier, because you know, having having an eating
disorder makes you irritable a lot. I know it makes it.
It's just you're not living your life to the fullest.
And I've always said that, you know, at a certain age,
and I joke that I'm on the back nine of
(21:52):
life now that I'm fifty. You have to enjoy life
because it's it's short and sweet, and eating is a
big part of it. I hate to say it, you
know you sometimes three meals, four meals, but I know,
whatever it is, however many meals a day. It's not
something you can avoid. You can't. You can't just say,
you know, I'm not going to do it. It's a
big part of your life. It's a big part of enjoyment.
(22:13):
It's a big part of socializing, which I know you
love to do. So I'm just happy that you're happy.
I think you've made some amazing strides. I'm very proud
of you because I know a lot of people don't
have the will power or the desire to make that change.
Or maybe they have the desire, but they just don't
have the ability to walk in and say I need help.
(22:34):
And maybe that's a positive for the show. To be
honest too, is that since everything was kind of televised,
that it held you to be accountable to follow through
in a way. So absolutely, So I hate to be
positive on.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
The show, but so we take longer vacations. I don't
exercise on vacation. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Dinner, reading pizza together in Rome.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Do that again, yeah, I would love.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
All right, So your perspectives on life, and then I
have some rapid fire questions and then I'll let you
get back to your finance job. Your father was a
Holocaust survivor, My grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How how did that affect you?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
How does that affect your perspective on life or anything
that you've been through?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What's your what's your take on like how to live
a good life?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I mean, one, I'm very pro Israel, so that's been
passed down. But it's also you know, it's come organically
just by by reading and you know, learning about certain things.
So you know, I read a lot, a lot of
Middle East politics and history and stuff. The perspective is
life is short. I mean of obviously you know me
better than anybody. Is that you know, not not to
(23:57):
get too angry, not to get too high, too low,
but to really just enjoy every moment and realize that
life is short. So I always say that you know
you're judged by you know, when you're on your deathbed,
you know who's going to be there. So the most
important thing in life is not material goods. It's the
relationships that you have. And also, you know, you want
to enjoy life. That's why I keep talking to you about, like,
(24:20):
you know, four years and ten months, not that I'm
counting when the kids are all away in school. I
want to see the world, travel and experience things. So
you know, you know, I don't want to be this
guy who's seventy five years old, and I'm like, yeah,
you know, I've been in New Jersey for the last
forty years, and you know what, I really love New Jersey.
Like like, New Jersey's fine, But I'm a big believer
(24:42):
in seeing the world and experiencing things and not having
any regrets by the time that your life is done,
because everybody's life's over. You look at an actual aerial table.
I'm supposed to live to eighty two, so I got
another thirty two years and I want to enjoy those years.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I hope you have more than that. Do you have it?
Do you have anything on your buck list?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, I want to see every country. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And I may want to skydive, oh no, and I
want to sky alone. No, you got to go. I
don't want to into a volcano with you too.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, there's so many I never I never do you
do you have an inner critic?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And how do you silence it?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, all the time, and I don't silence it, so
I should be better. Everybody has an inner critic, so
it's I mean, I'm definitely not a perfectionist, but I
always feel like I could do better. The only way
to really silence it is and these it happens maybe
like ten percent of the time. Yesterday, like I was
downstairs working here till like six thirty non stop, and
(25:46):
then I want to come up and read and eat.
But I felt like I accomplished a lot yesterday, so
my inner critic was happy. There are other days are life,
you know what, I could have done a lot more.
And the same thing with kids too, by the way,
is like my inner with them is you know, I
just had a conversation with one of the kids saying, hey,
are you really serious about asketball? Because if you are,
(26:07):
then I'm going to train you and we're going to
give you all the resources to be successful, and if
you're not then that's fine. Just be a kid, chase
girls have fun like drink, have fun like geca grades
do you everything? Well, well, it's the best way to.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Give me drink at twenty one.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
No, you know, I'm half Belgian, So in Belgium there's.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No drinking age, is there not? No, there is. It's European.
It's eighteen right.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Like four. My dad was giving me wine when I
was like three.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Really, yeah, ANSI drinking?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
But see, I think you got a drink in moderation
when you're young, so that you don't abuse it later.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I agree with that. The kids had wine in Italy,
they didn't really like it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
One of our kids had like three glasses and was
still fun.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That concerns me. Do you believe in karma? Yes, Yeah,
that's good to know.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
It's usually negative.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think it's like if you if people have done
bad things, do you let the universe handle them?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, what's the opposite of karma? Fate face?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, I think it's the same thing, same thing, yeah,
or do you just believe? Do you believe, like in
a higher power in the universe? I know we're not religious.
We're part of the Jewish community, but we're not religious.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah. Well, I believe that h plus of one success,
like business wise, is based on luck. Really in my industry,
it's like, at least I've seen so many dumb people
make so much money.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And I think the last thing I want to ask
you is what what really brings you the most joy?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Just family relationships. That's it really is, like experiencing things together,
you know what. Like one of the happiest moments was
when we were at Arizona. I want to climbing those mountains,
Like that was fantastic. Just being with all of you,
nobody fighting, doing something active, being with just the core
of five plus me. That's all I care about. I'm
(28:14):
not like you know me, I haven't even gone shopping
outside of what you bought me for my birthday, which
was great. Like, I don't really care about material goods.
I care about relationships. Love. That's really it.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I love you, your great husband.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Thank you for standing by my side during my recovery.
Thank you for being on this show with me. Begrudgingly.
I know you did not want to do it when
it started. I don't know where it's going from here.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's only going to great places because you're at the helme.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Ah, well, I'm not the helme of the show.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
No, no, no, I'm not talking about my podcast talking
about the Housewives.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh yeah, all right, you don't want me to answer that.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, I mean listen. I don't know where it's going,
but podcasting. I love. Thank you for being a part
of it. Thank you, and uh, do you have any
questions for me?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No? Can I come upstairs and make so munch?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You should? Yeah, come upstairs. I'd love to see you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
All right, everyone, that's our episode for today. Thank you
for joining us, and thank you Evan for joining us.
I love you, love you, and love all you guys,
and I will see you next time.
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