November 8, 2024 • 54 mins
Jenn sits down West Wilson from Summer House and gives her unfiltered advice on dating.
Why can’t he commit to a girl? Does he like women to play hard to get? Has West ever been in love or had his heart broken? Find out in our first episode of Just Jenn!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, you guys. This is Jen Fessler and I am
not here as a part of Two Jersey Jays, which
I will always be a part of, but I am
here for the first time ever doing my own solo podcast.
It has been labeled just Jen, but I think that
might be the dumbest name I ever heard. So you're
(00:22):
the surprise, So very very excited to be here in
the iHeart Studios. I thought long and hard about who
I wanted to be my first guest on my first
single podcast. I've met a lot of very cool people
in my time as a New Jersey friend of a
housewife run and my favorite person that I met, and
(00:46):
I want to give him a big head. It happened
a while back at a watch party in Los Angeles,
and I was there with the beautiful Lisa Milan, and
we were backstage we were going to surprise this club
of people, and all of a sudden, Golden Retriever puppy
pounced on to the scene and everybody was sort of look.
(01:07):
I think he brought a gaggle of young men that
were just so thrilled to be there, and he had
this dumb, adorable smile just all over his face and
everybody was kind of staring at him, and I met
him and it was love at first sight. His name,
in case you're wondering, drum roll please, is mister west Wilson. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
My parents have never said anything that nice to me
before my life.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And they probably never will. I've never said that about
my own kids. Thank you good. I'm glad you liked it.
I am so happy to be here with you. You
are my number one choice.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I one. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It is my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That was the best injury of all time. I ate mutual.
Oh that was such a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We had such a ridiculously fun time that I know.
By the way, ps, we were totally fucked up. So
I did bring I asked, actually, my friend Andrew over here,
one of the producers, if you had me tequila just
for fun, just to hasten us up. It is my
first time. It's my first doing a shot. We're doing
a shot. Are you into it or no?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Time is it isn't even like what time is it?
Three o'clock? Hold on, I'm bringing it to you.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Oh wow, thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
All right, you guys, this is going to be a
really really fun podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, I know, we're rob dogging this. I don't know
anything what we're doing today. Listen, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I we're totally winging it. All I know is they
said that I can do my own podcast, and I
was like, all right, I want tequila and Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Does does what you call it just jen digestion chase?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, for the next tip until we get sucked up,
and then I'm going to come up with something better. No, honey,
to be a man.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, That's why I asked. I want to make sure
she is hes. I haven't. I haven't stuck it on
golf drops all day and that Oh my god, real spicy.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Wow. But I'll also, I've never met that was ever
someone i'd ever met a housewife. I'm not a housewife.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm a friend of a housewife, but I know, right,
I say that just to be silly. But yes, for
me spilling.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Still, that was like, yes, first interaction.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Did you ever watched housewives?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
No? Obviously, being in the Bravo universe, I hear about
housewives all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Lucky you, but I never had like a real encounter.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No, And that was so fun. He chose two incredible
women for me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I have to say that leaves some milan.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I didn't realize this, but there was an article that
came out about how I like hit on her the
whole night.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Not you, No, not you West if anything, it was okay,
do you guys hear what he just said? Yeah, I
just want to make sure everyone heard that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No. But I couldn't believe how many kids she had. Yeah,
because she's she looks what like twenty six, isn't she?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, And I think she told me that, and I
kind I was like, stoping, Wow, three kids.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well we're going to get into Wes Wilson and who
he hits on and why, but well we'll just give
it another minute here to acclamat So we fell madly
in love and one of the things. And by the way, ps,
just so everyone knows, my husband was literally sitting there
with us, my best friend Cherry. So when we're taught
we were it was so flirtatious. I haven't flirted that
(04:15):
much since I was probably I don't know, I don't know,
maybe never. And Jeff would be sitting right here next
to me and saying that he loved every single minute
of it. He could not believe that a twenty something
was hitting on his fifty six year old Yes, old
hag wife, it was fabulous, Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Not old hag. Thank you stop, thank you Smoke Show.
Thanks what we say?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Guy's great to hear?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Can you hear? What is called me? Smoke Show? That's
the new name of the podcast, that land, that's one
the name. And not only that. I want this whole
podcast I see it's all coming to me in the
middle of this. I want it to be like this.
I want it to be me with younger men, right, yeah,
preferably ones that think I'm a smoke show yep. And
then we're just going to shoot the ship.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah. Oh, I got a lot of homeboys that we
can bring in here. Really.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, you know, I just met with it who I
just met Kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Thoughts he's got but he's too old. He's forty two.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh right, he's one of the bros.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right, he gives like thirty one. Yeah that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I was actually surprised to say this, and this is
not any And I've watched some of Summer House. I
hadn't watched all of it. I didn't watch it back
years ago. But I was very impressed with him, not
because I didn't think that he was, but that he
just didn't seem like what I had seen on the
few episodes that I had watched. Yeah, we were laughing.
He I guess he cut the mullet.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He did. Unfortunately, I was like with the only person
who liked it. I'm not surprised on it all the time.
And well, I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Didn't think he was handsome before. Now I think he's
very handsome. Again, I was drunk, and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Also, this is iHeart. Can I say the word shiit?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I just said fuck about okay twelve times?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So, yes, I met Kyle. I told him that we
were doing this, and then I actually tried to add
him on Instagram and he did not except or add
me back. I'm just pretty mad out doubt. Kyle's private,
very private. I don't like it. He ain't coming on
the show. He's going to begging to come on this show.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Let's see. I don't think that I'm going to be
a Carl.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
On next I love Carl Ratkey.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
How we have to check this out. Oh, I don't
think Kyle's.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm going to show you watch what's his name again?
Kyle what Cook? Kyle hold on Kyle trying.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
To think of other famous Kyle's emn of accidentally.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Okay, Hi, wait, we both follow wrestling Conrad, which, by
the way, I don't know what that means. I mean, look,
I said, this is Monday. Hi, my new friend loved
chatting with you the other night. So I wasn't going
to say do you want to come on my podcast?
Was going to save it and he didn't respond. So
now he doesn't get an invite.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, So Kyle, right, Kyle Cook could fuck off. Although
I thought that he was charming, he is charming, very sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He's a sweet boy.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I guess the wife wasn't there at this. We went
to Jen. You know Jen Geyser, Is that is that
a that is somebody that you really should not admit
to not knowing. She's sort of your boss NBCPR your face. Yes, no,
she's beautiful, but and my age you would love her.
But she had this fundraiser for her son has chronic
(07:15):
kidney disasse.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Matt, Yeah, no, I saw, I know exactly what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, So he was there, but not with Amanda.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I guess he's very outside that guy, Kyle, Yeah,
never home.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, he's adorable. I love meeting him anyway. I don't
want to just have a podcast with younger men. I
want to have a podcast potentially, and I'm still kind
of flushing it out with people who like have those
age different so like women as well, and like you,
and I could like shoot the shit about what's going on,
and I can tell you all of my wisdom and
you can tell me that I'm completely like stuck in
(07:48):
the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't know your pants. You're not stuck anyway, as Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Very very I know, right, Yeah, great stylist, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So you're not stuck fashion wise, you're not. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I appreciate that we're going to talk a little bit
about Wes Wilson. You guys, And what I want to
know is not what everybody else wants to know. So
what does everybody else ask you?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
How is your sure?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I don't care about that. So one of the things
I freaked out about when I met West was he well,
he showed me a picture of his father, and that
was an immediate problem.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That happens a lot. Actually, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Don't know if you guys that are listening, I'm thinking
that you're probably all West groupies.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He had a moment on the show and then I
have a show right now on Complex, which is where
I work, Okay, and he had another moment where I
went on the stage. This chick was asking about my dad,
showed pictures they like flashed the thing, and that became
I think he's aged twelve though, and he's a cowboy, so.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He's actually so so his mom, as you guys don't know,
is an obgyn beautiful woman and the dad is a cowboy.
Now picture they those two people got together and made
West Wilson. So them like back into that right, Like
what are they like?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
My dad very like caught, yeah, I guess fiery, very outgoing,
brash kind of individual mom, I would say, modest, reserve,
soft spoken, wants everyone to like have a good time,
like like a glass of wine, kind of just like sweet, sweet,
sweet lady. But I think the best thing for their
(09:36):
marriage now is that they're both so different and their
lives are so different that like my mom goes and
does like vagina shit all day, my dad does. Actually
that's probably.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
How they describe it. What's her name? Elizabeth Elizabeth, I'm
here for vagina shit.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Weirdly enough though, actually because my dad does deal with
cows and like them giving birth and that whole process.
He deals with caw vaginas and night cow birth and
right calves all the time. So they actually can share.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The love that that a little bit Giina talk but once.
That's actually the name of the new podcast, Vagina Vagina
Talk first guest Vagina first get how fitting. That's awesome fitting. Okay,
so you have parents that are very into vagina. Yeah, anyway,
but I will tell you that it did. It did
take me back when we were talking and I was
getting to know my dear friend Wes. I was like, wait,
(10:27):
what did you say? Your father's a what and your
mother is a what? Yeah, but it makes sense because
he walks in here with like this, he's got this
swagger thing going, but you can tell he's not like
all swagger like you got a little there's an intellect
thing happening here. I know someone to say that, I know, No,
I know, I'm good like that, thank you fifty six.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Uh yeah, but people are very fascinated by that like combination.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Of occupying a hot occupation. I mean a hot combination
kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes. But before my dad was full time on the farm,
he taught world history for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think, full time on the farm and.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Was a football coach. And of course he was he's
very like, very like dad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You have a brother.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I have a little brother who lives in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He is a software engineer for Capital one. Okay, so
he like codes and fucking like, I don't know what
any of that shit means.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But is he just getting laid now?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Like it's nobody's He's a girlfriend guy, always had oh
really opposites in that way. Yeah, always had girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah. And he doesn't even have to pull out the
West Wilson card.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, that's not uncommon.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh my god, my kids I have I have a
twenty four year old son.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And he was mortified by the whole thing. He was like, listen,
you do you don't ask me to ever get involved
in that ship. That is the most embarrassing. Now, all
of a sudden, he's out chatting up whoever just happens
to come up in conversation, do you Oh yeah, no,
my Zach Fessler. Fessler, you know you've heard.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of it, and Where does he live?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He is here, he was New York.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I grew We don't even tried it. Don't even try this. No, no, no,
what You're going to turn the tables and all of
a sudden, I'm gonna be like telling you my life story.
I have to get yours.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
But I like to interview people as well, and that's
where a good conversation is.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, where I'm from? I grew up in Tech, Texas.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No I remember actually from say that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, it doesn't really because it doesn't really make sense.
I'm a Jersey housewife, right right, But yeah, I grew
up in Sugarland, Texas. Is that closer to Southwest Houston?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I love that?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, husband, husband, Yes, where if you met him? His
name is Jeff Essler. He grew up in Union, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So he's more he's like the Jersey roots.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes. I moved to New York right after I graduated
from the University of Texas and immediate hooke Horns. And
my plan was, well, my parents were divorced. They were
both like Brooklyn Jews, and my father I was always
living here and I was absolutely going to end up
in New York City. Right, that was like the dream.
And then I meet this frickin' stuff nerdy yes jew
(12:57):
boy from Central Jersey of all places, and now I
have like this Jersey has been, these two Jersey kids,
and I'm on the housewist of New Jersey, something that
I could not have predicted. As a matter of fact,
do your kids give me no, I just come here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Do your kids identify with Jersey?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I mean I certainly hope so they were born and
raised here.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, so they're like Jersey kids.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
They're Jersey kids. I mean, they can't deny.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It when people say where are you from? If you're
like on a trip or.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like, I feel like they're Jersey proud they are.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, It's interesting. Yeah, I always like to because obviously
people move, but a lot of people affiliate that, like
with different parts of their lives. Like I'll always claim
Missouri because I grew up there, But like I know
people who move here and like are like em from
New York. You're not.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think it's as cool as it used to be.
Wait cheers, oh wow, boom am, right here we go.
What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You guys?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You producers are sitting there like fucking three, like is
letting it happen? You don't give a shit. It's not
your career on the line, So so tell me who
you're dating. No, I'm gonna take that back. I'm gonna
take it back. I'm gonna take it back because I
actually sent West a text before we even started this
and said, are you dating anyone? I don't want to
(14:16):
step on anybody's toes. That sounded wrong, not because like
I'm gonna get in there with you. I want to
step on an oh god.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Feet and you find it fascinating though.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh, I know you have other fetishes you like into
like old lady poor messed up. Yes exactly. I was
going to say so anyway, so I know that you're
there's there are people that you are seeing or a
person or whatever. But we're gonna move away from that
for a moment because what I really want to talk
about is uh, not just who you're dating now, but
like Wes Wilson out there, and we're not going to
(14:52):
talk about from the beginning, not from like second grade,
but like, I want to know what's going on with
your kind of women you look for? What is it
like to be you and out on the dating scene maybe,
like even how it's a difference before you got on
the show. We're not going to talk about the beautiful, stunning,
sweet Sierra because I know that that's probably what everybody
wants to talk about, and I like to be different,
So we're gonna put that aside.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You are.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
If she ever listens to this, Wow, that is I
don't know what the fuck you were thinking there, but
that's anyway, that's their podcast. Somebody to smack you hard.
But anyway, okay, now'm moving on, moving on. Okay, tell
me about because I want what I'd like is like
to give my fifty six year old mama bear like insight,
(15:35):
like okay, so oh okay, what have you had a
lot of girlfriends?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Not really, but I've had a lot of relationships?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wait wait, I'm sorry. Do you young people understand the difference?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes? Yeah, come on, look all three?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Oh, because like now my kids are like they're like, oh,
I have a boy, so you have a boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No, he's a boy or they do the same they
say we're talking yes, yeah, does that mean you're fucking
well depending on age, but yeah, I think it does
mean that. I would say, okay, I am not the
poster child for like healthy text book relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
There is no poster child for that, my love.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, but I think people who like have clear and
defined relationships do a good job of at least keeping
it pretty objective and like by the book and it's easy.
Who does That's like he'll like have a girlfriend, be
single for a few months, and like if he likes someone,
they're like dating. Where I don't like get there as fast.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or like really stay there as fast.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I just like I kind of have lived in the
gray area since I was like eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, well I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That I lost my virginity to a girlfriend. Good for
your day. It's important to me.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That is why how old were you?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Sixteen? I think, isn't everyone sixteen?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I was nineteen? But I was fast and no one
really wanted to That's a whole other issue. No, I
was like this, but in Texas though, yeah, nobody was interested.
I don't know. I was like a big frizzy hair.
I was like, I don't know, it was like just
so uncomfortable in my body. I was like just I
was loud, insecure and like everybody like my skny little friends.
(17:18):
It was. It's a sad story.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Then I see a frizzy hair.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Oh it wasn't a red glasses, red glass. I'll show
you red red glasses. Big thick hair, thick frizzy hair,
probably a buck ninety something like that. And all my
friends were like these beautiful little waifs. Yeah, so I
developed a personality.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah you were just eating Texas good, that's all.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, you're right, that's all.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It was exactly right. Okay, wait wait now we're on
me again. Where were we so? Okay, So you never
really had a girlfriend and you were always kind of
like riding the f I.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Did, like when my sophomore of high school, I think
through like a little bit of my junior year, I
was dating, I like boyfriend girlfriend, like introduce you to
my grandma was like, this is my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, that's the one. You lost your virginity too?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, okay? Times where she now? She lived in New
York for a long time. Actually, I think I ran
into like one time. I think we made out in
like twenty eighteen on a whim. It was magical.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, is he the one that got away?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh? No, I was so young. I was just like okay.
She was a senior though when I was a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's hot. So to prom that's hot, which is a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Is no, So she moved, she graduated and the left
and then whatever. And then after that then I was like, okay,
I'll be I'm like going to college soon whatever. And
then definitely had a high school crush who I stayed
in communication with like throughout college, but like we went
to different schools. So I was like, you know, do
(18:48):
you all do me? Then? Like holidays, you like go
home and other watch movies and stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You Netflix and chill, Netflix and chilled. Do you see
how you guys see.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That one's kind of out though now we're done with
that one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Of course, of course. Yeah, no, this is what This
is what I want. I want to give you advice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Where do you get your memes and ship from Facebook?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I thought you saw me as what did you say,
I'm smoking? What's the new name of the new stroke show?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Rocket Ship?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Smoke Show? And now you think it I'm on Facebook.
I am on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I am just follow I have to follow birthdays.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Actually, I'm gonna say a great point by you. Facebook
somehow knows when it's an important person's birthday and sends
me a fucking little alert and I'm like, honestly.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know you could do that. I can get
the alert without going on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Uh, Like Facebook sends it to you. They like know
who your friends are and they.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Say, like, it's I love this podcast so cousin cousin
Kate's birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Ever since I became a reality superstar, I stopped going
on Facebook and I transition to Instagram. As a result,
I've lost so many friends people that I love because
I don't remember their freaking birthday.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yep, yeah, that's super fair.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know, Twitter though, is a place absolutely not Elon
has it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now, which it's like people are like it looks now,
but it's still is like that's where peak intelligent humor
comes from. And I don't know how people read it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Reddit.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, Reddit's the meanest fucking people ever.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And they're like, I thought Twitter was the meanest people ever.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Twitter is like kind of funny though. Reddit. I've never laughed.
I've just like cried. Yeah eating Reddit, I stopped. I stopped.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Good. This is all about you. How much of your
ship do you read?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It went from so fucking good, welcome to Bravo Reality
for like four months, and then one day so bad,
and I was like, not doing this anymore?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, I knew, well, you really I love this.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So you were like I'm out or I'm out of
Reddit or I'm not gonna be on the show anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, no, no, like I've just like engaged or like
because like I'll be super honest, like in the beginning,
everything was so good that I openly consumed it. You
know what I mean, Yes, I know exactly, but I
know it's I mean I did tell myself. I was like,
if you get in this habit of like like looking
(21:07):
up your fucking name or hashtags like all these things,
I was like that it's never nothing's going to be
this good forever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And I tried to kind of but even knowing that,
even knowing that there's like that little boys that says,
well they'd never met me before.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, but then it was like so like overnight horrible
that it was kind of easy.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do you remember? It was like the reunion hadn't aired,
and the night that I met you, I was like,
how's it going, and You're like, I fucked it up.
It was like the reunion. I screwed it all up
and it han't even aired yet, and you were stressing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, I mean I wasn't. I've never done one of
those before.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Fun right, fucking yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Man, damn my life.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I hope that was the worst day of your life,
my love. Uh, because it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, it wasn't, but it was certainly like jolting. Yeah,
like whoa. It's also not like real life like this
our show. At least it's like the weekend. You show up,
fucking do your own shit, go home, Like it's kind
of like it's what I would be doing on the
weekend anyways. Okay, the reunion is like not anything you
can like be. I tried to be. I don't know.
(22:13):
I just wasn't ready. Yeah, so I learned a lot
that day.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wait, have you guys done another reunion? No, not yet.
It hasn't even aired, of course not. But you're done filming. Yeah, Okay,
that's all we're gonna talk about summer.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So now high school college, now you're single, you're living.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
In Bozeman, Montana.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, I can't picture that for the life of me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I played football and it was like just oh.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's right. I have that my producer Jack that in
my notes somewhere. You probably told me that, but I
don't remember. You played like college football.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah it was. I didn't really know.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Can you just look at this for a second. I
came in here with just dumped me. No, this is
how I started the podcast. Started it like this, and
this is how it's gonna end.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's that's good for ratings.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah. I went to Bosontana on Tannasee University in the Mountains,
great place away sports because it's still D one but
there's no other.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Big D one. You played football for a D one.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know that. That's cool. I want to bite day. Yeah,
so that was tight, and it was all.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The kids in my Upper Saddleway of New Jersey. All
the parents they hold them back before they go to
middle school and they yeah, they do all that ship
because their kids are going to play and they're gonna
be They just don't. No one does. No one gets
to play for D one except for Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But it was awesome and it's fucking cool. For four years,
four and a half. I read shirted my freshman year. Wow,
which is like you don't play and they give you
an extra year. But football is easy because it's just
the fall. You're like fifty year okay, but yeah I
lettered four years, which was.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like, I don't know what it means, but it has
to be you.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You like play enough that you like the first time you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Letter, you get a jacket.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, but it's not like it's not like varsity because
it's college.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So it's just like okay, and then what were you
supposed to go to the NFL?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't know. I'm like a were you good? Good?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Is like a stretch had to be pretty good?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Like it was fun played? I don't. I wouldn't say
I ever at any point was like I'm I'm not naive,
like I kind of knew. I'm like a six foot
white dude like that. Playing safety in NFL is not
like that realistic. Really, I mean it's possible.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Can't you being humble like were you really good?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No? No? In college? No, like everyone's good in high school.
It's fun. I broke my leg when I was a
junior and I got an interception my first game back.
If I broke my leg, which was like my shining moment.
But also we can this can be like thirty minutes
if you really want to get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Not that I don't, but other things that we had,
not that I'm not. I I love you and I
could go on forever. Yeah, but I know we're limited. Okay,
So now we're done with football. Okay, no, unless you're
something important.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
No, it's like a trauma. It's like, hell, I don't
want any of them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, no, thank you. Okay. So anyway, but so you're this,
you're this adorable football and tell me about girls. That's
really what I want to know about. So now you're
in college and you're just a stud.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So a lot like where I grew up in Missouri.
I want to say, the frat dudes and good frats
got like hotter chicks than athletes did. Okay, she's always
found like super fascinating, but Montana State smallish Greek life
or just like not as cool. I would say football
and basketball like performed the best.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, as far as with the ladies, I die from you, Okay, go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
On, yeah, but I've been I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh my god. I just think about the fact that
like the younger Jennifer, Okay, like I would have you
would have ruined my life on so many different levels
because you're that guy, Like you're actually like a nice
guy and you don't really want to hurt anyone. It
just can't be helped. Thinks you're just fucking messy mess
you meet it. Yeah, yeah, you're very loving and you
(26:06):
walk the best for everyone I do. And you would
have destroyed me. Oh my god. I would rather introduce
you to a stranger. My daughter will never meet you,
God forbid.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Because the problem is that you can't be mad.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Because you're you. I know some people are mad, but
I did One time I chick in New York where
I was dating kind of a little bit. After we,
like whatever, stopped talking, she did text me and say,
it's really hard to stay mad at you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Oh no, that's because she wants to get back together.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well she shouldn't have told you think about it, you do.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh no, she could be mad at you. She just
thought maybe there was still a chance. That's my opinion.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It's a similar sentiment to like what, I don't know.
It's not good that I like, we're to like hold
on to that statement.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But it is good, and I really feel like that
is who you are. And I you know, I've known
you for a million years, but I just your eyes whatever,
thank you? So okay, hold on. So now college, So
you're a stud football player, but you're not as dudley
as the frap boys. Who cares?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, we were at Montana State for okay, so there.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are lots of girls. Now you go and you start
working at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh wow, this is so embarrassing. My first job in
New York City.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Wait, did you move from Montanna State to New York?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah? I moved from Montana to New York. Why. I
had an aunt who lived here, who's actually on the show.
She like makes a little cameo okay, and I was
I just wanted. I don't know. I lived in the Midwest,
South whatever you want to call it, and then lived
in the mountains. And I was like, let's try the
East Coast and like, see you again.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That's how you picked you just said, let's try the
East Coast.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I had a couch to crash on for like a
few months.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I was like, might as well, cool, did you have
a job when you came here?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Uh? No, I slept on her couch just like took
a bunch of stupid fucking interviews and then had actually
for six months before that the job. I was gonna
tell you this is crazy. I was like, what can
I do to make like side money. I worked for
MLB for a little bit, but I was like, a PA,
(28:03):
fucking it doesn't matter, it's not important. I walked into
an Equinox and I was like, I don't feel like
they actually care about like performance. They just they want
people to look hot in an Equinox. And I was like,
can I like be a trainer? And they were like,
we'll call you.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Did you have training experience?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Dude? No? But I played football in college, so I
know problem.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Can I be a trainer? And they say, sure, we'll
call you. That is the biggest problem. That's probably your
biggest problem. But you never get no.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But I'd like worked out in group environments and like
been around like strength coaches and stuff, so I did
like their training. And they're like, you have to get
a personal training certification to obviously be a personal trainer.
I was like, for sure, I'll do it, and I
just never did it for seven months and train.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
People without the certification.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, And I just said, like I said.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Engage your I mean do very well after this, right,
so you just train people. So this is I would.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So I would wake up at like five, bike to Equinox, say,
engage your core for like three hours, and then I'd
take a nap in the equipment room for an hour,
and then take the train to MLB and then work
till like seven. I had like a year of like
trying to like like figure it out. Good year, easy, No,
because I still don't like make money. I finally moved
(29:13):
in an apartment and like barely survived. I remember making
sweet potatoes for lunch for like three weeks. One time.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I was like, the fuck my damn, that's exactly what
you were supposed to be doing. You were twenty two
twenty three. Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So then I took a sales job. I'm going to
tell you the name of the company, and like everyone
in this room's gonna fucking laugh. It was called media Planet,
like it sounds like pizza Planet from Toy Story, cheesy,
and they sell they sold us on like you create
these like campaigns and fucking they go out and the
news or whatever. It is basically selling print ad space
in twenty nineteen, which is like not possible.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I just can't picture you sitting in any kind of
a confined space selling anything.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I made the company zero dollars, right.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, no, I would have guessed that. No, that would
have that would have been I could have told you that.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But maybe not a fit best best friends in New
York at all?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
From right, of course.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Actually, then I kind of dated a girl from that
company for a while, like a year.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Uh? It was good and then it ended bad, but
as they all do.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Okay, back on that, let's focus. So now you're twenty four,
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Twenty probably like twenty four, I think twenty.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Five, okay, and this up to this point, has any
girl ever really broken your heart?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No? I wonder all the time. I'm like, do I
have that coming my way?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yes, never happened, but hold on wait, maybe not. I'm
going to decide by the end of the hour. Okay,
So hold on. So now you're twenty four, twenty five
and you're doing your thing. And I know because we
spoke about it the night in LA You had a job,
and then you didn't have a job. You had a
cool last job. Yeah, I remember, what was it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I was a producer for Bleacher Report. Which is like
a big.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Sports Andrew's over here nodding.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, right, like media, Like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's like a barstool sports.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, but like see why I do that. Yeah, but
like barstool I have I'm an anti barstool just I.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Don't really know what barstool is, but I know that
that's those are words that go together.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah. Actually, to get that job, I had to move
to Las Vegas for a year to help them launch
like a betting vertical part of the company. I don't
really sports bet at all, but I knew enough to
fake it. Okay, live in Vegas for a year with
the goal to get like promoted back to New York.
That happened. And then yeah, basically like traveled the country
(31:36):
for like three years, like just going to events and
parties and like making fucking tiktoks and.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I want to be you in my next life so bad,
Oh my god, which is.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why I was like, I don't think anyone I wouldn't
want to date me right now, And I'm not going
to like not go out if I'm in another city
and say paid for Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Let's not say that out loud on the podcast, because
we want girls to want to date you. They just
need my advice a little bit. But hold on, we're
getting way ahead of ourselves. So now you're at this
great cool job in Vegas and you get fired Vegas.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Back to New York. I was in New York for
like three years and then got laid off.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
We had to say laid off because I was gonna say, okay, sorry,
laid off. There was a group of people. Yeah, they
were making cuts.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
We got acquired and then they let go a bunch.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Of people fired and anyway, okay, go on.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
In their defense, my I think my expenses were like
more than my salary.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I'm not surprised to hear that you knew how to
entertain the clients.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Why, Like it wasn't even client. It was just like
if I had to not be home ever, I'm going
to like use this corporate card and have fucking fun.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know that makes sense to me? Yeah, or what
are you gonna do? But you were laid off, you
were not fired.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I just wanted to be clear to our studio.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm also going to give them another shout out. Yes,
I had six months severance, which for being twenty worked
for a year three and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Four You had six months severance. Is this company still around?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, bleachars, Wow, they'll be around for a while.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Out six months severance to people that overspend on their
fucking corporate card.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But yeah whatever, No, it was I that was appreciative.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Bet Okay, So now you're fired. I'm sorry, but I'm
gonna okay. So you're fired, but you're West. So you're
in a bar and somebody says to you, oh, you'd
be great for this reality show summer House, at which
point point you are launched into your career as a
reality superstar. Now I just summ that up very quickly.
(33:27):
You do a better job, You're fired. You're in a
bar drinking away your sorrows.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, you made your West thing. And I think my
whole life like things had always like like come to
the next like step in the process, right, and then
it was over like in one day, right, And I
thought things would happen super quick, because especially with that job,
I knew a lot of cool Like I just thought,
I don't need to try that hard to get a
job at all, like come to me like easy.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I can't. This is all potause of your parents, By
the way, you have fucking great parents.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They're awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I know they are, as I can tell you have
so esteem.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I gotta get Christmas fucking gifts too. We'll talk about
the later.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You don't do that now, we'll get there.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But no, So I was in a bar and I
met Lindsay Hubbard on the show and like we like,
I don't know, we had like a shot or some ship.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And then were you coming on to her?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
No? She was like she was so bragging about being
engaged to Carl at that time.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I remember, and you did you know what summerhouse was?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No? What? No? I didn't I like anything.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I understand, not do cool.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I just didn't really know.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh you were too cool.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The Bravo shit was as big as it is. So
then I get a phone call. Actually this is crazy too.
I was in Europe for a wedding, came home, had
just spent like a lot of money. Severance had just ended,
and I was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to Like,
I took a call to sell lobster in Maine. That's
not a joke either. I was like, really, I was
(34:52):
ready to throw the towel in and just because I
like had to make money.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So even that, in fact, you have an opportunity to
sell lobster in Maine. Like you didn't just say to me,
oh and I got a call to be a telemarketer. No,
of course you got the call to like sell lobster.
There's something so romantic about that, right, It's like something
your options were summer house, lobster, and Maine.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wha, yeah, yeah, fair, Okay. Uh So then I was
not really in any position to say no to the
show because I don't think Bleacher Report would have let it.
I know they wouldn't have let me do it if
I was still with them not having a jobs run
for a week, and then I started to feel like
kind of gross and bored, and I was just like
ready to do some shit. Yeah, And I was like,
(35:34):
just were to think.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's not just so you know, for the rest of
the world, things don't come together this easily. There's no
that was like, No, I just want you to know.
I want you didn't struggle. Let me just say this
for you. That is not you have not you are
just life.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
No. Yeah, no, Like you.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Were born to a cowboy guynecologist family, the best combination
I've ever heard of in my life. You were born
not only were you athletic, not just athletic like kids,
I know you also were like went to a what
was it called a D one college where of course
you went to the college where the frap boys weren't
as cool as the athletes, and apparently that doesn't happen often.
(36:11):
But what you've described to me, and then you leave
there because of course, you have an aunt with an
available couch in New York City, at which point you
get a job at like the coolest what is it
called again, sports Bool Star, a Star, Bars, Bleacher whatever,
same thing.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You get, of course a job for no reason. I
don't know why you get a job at Bleacher whatever,
it is so cool, and then they let you go,
but they'd let you go with six months severance, even
though the reason they're letting you go is because he
didn't make them any money. You just spent money on
the corporate card, at which point you leave and you say, oh, okay,
I'll bum around now a little bit. Somebody wants me
to do lobsters in Maine, or Lindsey Hubbard wants me
(36:50):
to be on Summer House. I just want you to appreciate. Yeah,
I don't know who, what kind of a good mood.
Your parents were in the night that they made you.
I don't know what sun is shining on your head,
my love, but it is good. But the thing is,
it's okay because you're just so cute and you can
just tell you just humble, so like it so I
(37:11):
don't even resent it, like it's okay, so good, finally, okay,
moving on. So then you meet Lindsay and somebody. You
get the phone call.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, and I was like, all right, fuck it, let's
do the show. And then and showed up really and
fucking filmed, and then I got I was still because
I was still applying for jobs. So I think I
got a job offer from Complex is where I work.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now, okay, this is why you were about to start filming.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
No, this is like I got the job offer in
the fucking house, which the fact he sent me the
email on a Friday while you're there was perfect because
I couldn't have you have a job.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's not just this.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, I've been working since for like a year
and a half. You have post Bleacher Report. Yeah. Complex
Cool used to be a print magazine. Now it's like
a big it's like a pop cult, your media outlet.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I guess what do you do for them?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I was more of like a sports producer for the
last year, and then it gave me a dating show
like six months ago or but like four you guys
know this.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Nobody was going to tell me about this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Sound like a dating show. I'm not like looking for love.
I'm like still interviewing people the Yeah, so I'm interviewing
women about like their life through like a gimmicky date
so to speak.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
What do you mean, So.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's like fishing on a boat or like go karting
or like whatever, and like there's like a food and
then fucking blah blah blah, Like would you go on
a second date?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Like it's very so you're going with them on the
boat with them and the person that they're dating. No,
it's it's so you're dating everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I'm like going on the dates and what are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Hold on? So now your job?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I can't. Is there no more tequila? I what are
you talking about? So now you get summer house. You've
now gotten You've lived this gold then charmed life, and
now you get summer house. You don't even know what
the fuck it is? Many many, many boys your age,
I say boys, but I mean men. I mean boys
would have been would have died to have gotten this gig.
And then while you're doing that, someone says, you know
(39:13):
what we want to give. We want to pay you
money to go out on boats and we're just going
to fix you up with girls, and then that'll be
we'll give you a salary for that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'll say the idea of the show came from after
this my first season of Summerhouse, because I kind of
at that point somewhat dated or like experienced romance in
the public eye, and so like my boss's boss thought
my POV having done that would be relatable to like
(39:43):
interview other people who have tried dating while they were
like also famous. So that's sort of like what the
context of like the dates are is like talking about
like their life and being able to relate just to you.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
So are you going out? Well, first of all, what
is it called plug.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It West date? Ever? Oh my god, I don't I
didn't name it, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I actually think it's very cute.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
The first episode was talked to and you went on
a date with her. We went fishing on a boat
in nash.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
But these are dates you were going on dates, so
what is supposed to happen though, You're supposed to find
someone or then that would ruin the whole show.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, yeah, it's just it's like an interview. It's just
through the lens of like here's a date, make.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It cute, and how do your producers pick the girls?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Well, we the first three we did without having published anything,
so it was like just the like pitching the concept
and like the Complex has like a big talent team,
Like the talent that Complex has on a roll of
Dex is like super good. Okay, do you have the
show Hot Ones where that people do the hot wings
and like do an interview? Yes, that was a complex
show originally. Okay, it's not anymore, but like that started
(40:47):
it complex. So it's just like same.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You didn't get hired to be a host.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, but I got hired to do still do interviews
and like do shit on camera, but just on like
a long form capacity. So I was doing interviews like
I interviewed Patrick Mahomes and like Joe Burrow Lamarga, like
a lot of sports people. Like when it all started, okay,
and then we kind of pivoted more to like this, but.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I'm gonna stop saying this. It's just you are I
like feel so bad for like all the girls you've
ever met and like even your friends. But that's a
whole we'll move on to that moment.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So okay, so now we're here.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So now we're not here yet. So I just want
to say in the show for one more second, because
you did the Hawk whatever her name is, and then
you did who else?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sega? One was this lady named India Love. She's like
an LA influencers. She's not like super mainstream, she has
like very niche following. And then third was her name's
Joy Taylor. She's a Fox sports host. Okay, uh, and
so that was good for like kind of like the
(41:50):
sports market. And then we're trying to get can I say?
I can say we're trying to get Drew Barrymore for
the fourth one to.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Go on a date with you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Not, I don't mean that the way it came out.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, it's okay, Yeah, that's like that's just who we're
targeting for the fourth But you like, Complex has a
really good.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I'm sorry, what, Yeah, that's do you know who she is?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah? Fifty first dates she's Yeah, she starts.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, do you know what that movie is?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, not, come on, you're twenty nine?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Thank god? Thank god?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, yeah, I mean and he's wearing a red hood.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I look, come on, where do I watch the show?
Do I have to go on the internet?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
YouTube?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah? Oh my god, you type it in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm so excited to see send. Okay, all right, I
can't take We need to do an this can't. I
have to have a Maybe you should.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Be my co host. I'll stay for another hour.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's not just no, I'm saying into perpetuity, like I
maybe we should have a Okay, anyway, I'm getting weight. Yes,
I know you're like, you're cool. You ain't that cool?
I'm doing my complex. Come on, Summer Awl's a nice lady.
But so I want to talk about now you're dating,
(43:12):
You're on Summer House, you are living in New York City.
You're obviously meeting different girl, different night, right, So what
is happening? What kind of girls are you meaning? And
why aren't they translating into girlfriends? I just don't What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't wake up and crave human touch? No, No
that I do I'm very like a very snugly, touchy,
affectionate person, but like I just don't crave like a
like boyfriend girlfriend like lock it in. Yeah, I also too.
(43:49):
I am also afraid of hurting people's feelings breakups. Like
I'm afraid the second I whatever fall in love dates
someone whatever, you either get married or you like have
a break up and you're sad for six months. Such
an immature POV. But I like, true, have you been
in love? I don't think. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
You said you were? You said I love you?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, but I say, you want to know what's okay?
I'm gonna bring up the show. We there's a moment
where I said I love you to every like I
said it to the girl I've seen, but I also
had been saying it to everyone in the house and
she was like, nothing you say is that serious as
you say it to everyone? And so I was like,
I'm I mean, I understand that it has weight and
(44:36):
like it means something, but I like, say I love
you to like all my homeboys phrase that.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Then I get it. So you haven't had really your
heart broken?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No? I don't think no, And is.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It do you think? Because because I have a whole
philosophy about this.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I've been in the driver's seat, right, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't mean have to say that's it. Ladies, if
you're listening and you love Wes Wilson, please listen to
what he just said. He has been in the driver's seat.
That is not to take away from the fact that
I'm sure the women that you've been involved with, well,
I know one of them is clearly a ridiculously beautiful,
fabulous woman, but I'm sure they all have been. But
this would be my advice if it was, let's say,
(45:13):
my daughter, if Wes Wilson is the guy, or the
guy is a West Wilson type, play hard to get,
play hard to get as long and as hard as
you can to the point where like ice head is
spinning off his body. You're probably gonna disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
No, I think all the relationships have had that, like
had legs. Most of them were I chased in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Okay, so girls, listen, you heard it here first. Okay,
I say this to my daughter all the time, like
you are just too busy. You would love to talk,
but you're just too busy. Oh we go out tonight.
Can I meet. Can you meet me tonight? I would
love to, but I just I'm crazed. Talk to you later.
And I know, I know, but Rachel, if you're listening
(46:03):
that I didn't mean with Wes Wilson, stop it, stop that,
stop it. Sorry, Okay, I think that's so integral. I
was when I was your age, I worked for these
two friends of mine and they wrote this book called
The Rules, which you're not going to know about. Anybody
here heard of that book. Okay, So I actually went
(46:23):
them on my podcast. So these two women, Sherry and Ellen,
wrote this book called The Rules, and it was year
this was nineteen ninety six, and it was this very
sort of archaic People thought of it as a sort
of anti feminist book, and it was it listed out
(46:44):
these rules for finding quote unquote mister Wright. And I
know that, like, do you know what the rule?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Do you remember the rules? Of course?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Do I remember?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Minim?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I lived by them? There were that's a great question.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Fifty was it like three years, like a book of
like fucking hundreds?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
No, no, no, like fifteen or something. Okay. So, like
the concept behind it was that men and women are
in fact different. Men are from Mars. Do you know
what I'm saying? Yeah, Okay, they're different.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Get more stupid or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeaheah, no, that's no.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
That is what people said in Boys Got Jupiter to
get more stupidter.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh no, so that's what boys like you say. But
that's not what I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
What I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Okay, So anyway, the idea is that like it's basically
like boys want what they can't have, right, And I
don't think that's always true. And I don't want to
get in a bunch of trouble here. I'm not like,
you know, I'm just saying that it proved true for
me and most of the people that I know. So
for whatever reason, men are hunters, women are gatherers, and
and I don't know why we're built like this, but
(47:45):
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Historically though that is I mean, like survivally instinctually a
thing like that's.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Not okay, yeah, you're you're right, okay, Yeah, And this
book laid out the set of rules and the rules
like never accept because back in the day, like if
you mean it, you're asking for a Saturday night date.
Is that still a thing?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I think in New York. At least I try to
go during the week because I think everyone has Friday
Saturday plans already, so you do, okay. I would never
ask someone to like go, especially first or second date.
I would never ask some one to like ditch their
friends on Friday Saturday till like go get a drink.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
With me, unless you really liked her.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Uh yeah, but even then, Like, I feel like I'm
trying to go out with my boys on Friday Saturday too.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I thought you've never met anyone you really liked. No,
I know, I'm gonna get myself in so much trouble.
I don't wait, am I gonna? I don't mean it
like that. Clearly you've liked a lot of women. But
like the thing is, when you really like someone, you
don't give two shits about your boys on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
That's never happened, right. Wait? Can I tell you a
quick funny story? Yes? Please? The chick who I was
telling about, who I dated from work, it was that
Christmas I spent I have a white elephant with my
friends from home. Whatever you mean, It's like, it's like
gag gifts, but we've been doing it for so long
that people bring like real, like like fifty dollars gifts. Now, Okay,
(49:10):
I spent fucking like four days and like hundreds of
dollars making this like scrap book with like everyone had
like their own page, and it was like so cute
and like I scrap proud of it. Yeah, but it
was like online. It was just a big picture book
of like like all the memories of like this friend group.
And I brought it downstairs and was like so relieved
and so proud, and my dad was like, what did
you get I won't see her name. He's like, what
(49:33):
did you get her for Christmas? And I was like, fuck,
I didn't even think about it, Like I spent days
for this thing for my that.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I hope that people are listening. I hope that not
not people, I hope that women are listening because I
think this is so helpful. It's not gonna be helpful
for you, but it's gonna be very helpful for them.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah. No, my dad rips me all the time for
being too like group focused with my.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Don't think you're too anything I do. I don't, not
that I want to disagree with your gorgeous dad, but
what I think is what you just said is that
you you know, things have come very easy to you,
Wes Wilson, And I'm so happy about that because you
are you. I would probably be not happy about that
if it was some obnoxious asshole, but you're you. So
(50:22):
it's like and you just have in your eyes that
you're probably struggling anyway with something, and your hair is
in the face and you're like a little like sweaty,
but yet like you are living just like golden life.
So you can't even be mad about it because you
know you're not like cocky and whatever. So but this
is like the moral of the story. You just won't
(50:42):
it's going to have to not come easy. Yeah, and
so this role so the book, this book the rule.
So it's like, you can't you always have to say
not of guy if he doesn't ask you by Wednesday
for Saturday night, the answer is no, I'm busy. You
don't give him a hard time. You don't say why
didn't you call me? You just say so, I'm so sorry,
cannot do it. Wait, there's they're like, so, oh, well
(51:04):
you can't have sex for the first three which I
think is pretty progressive in nineteen ninety six, Right, that's
that is that's true. What does that mean? You think
that's good or not?
Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, Like that's yeah, that's fine. Three feels great, that
feels fair. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, I feel like with Wes, I'm gonna put a
caveat on this. Five. Don't do it for five. I
just feel like nothing, it's all coming comes too easy
to him.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Uh yeah, five.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
I mean okay, if the if the convo is stimulating,
I would chase five, like if the if.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
It's like fun and like the person's good banter.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, but just so you know that's because you like them.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. Same.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And also for women, this is a great way of
weeding people out because if he just doesn't like you
that much, it's like women are always worried. Well if
I you know, if I hold out or if I
don't go out with him, he'll find Yeah, if he
doesn't like you enough, he will find someone else. He
will absolutely, somebody will come that will be more interesting
to him. But that's the good news because guess what,
(52:12):
even if you if you hooked up with him, he
wasn't gonna like you enough anyway. So now uh yeah, no,
it was never gonna happen either. He's crazy about you,
and like you find that out and you guard yourself
or I mean, yes, you could have a relationship with
Wes Wilson. I'm sorry to talk about you like you know,
but he's gonna dump your us.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I do think, and I think five is still cool.
But I do think you the first time you have
full blown sexual intercourse with someone, I do think that
you do feel closer or less close to that person,
like you can. Yes, the chemistry is there, it's not,
(52:52):
of course, but to where Like I do think it's
a part of figuring out if you're like all in
or not all in early Okay, And I'm not saying
first date, but I'm saying, like I think you know
it's important.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Sex is important.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I just think you learn a lot about your chemistry
with someone.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yes, in that regard, I'm going to agree with you
that it is important. I'm going to disagree with you
that it's necessarily a game changer, like for instance, this
is what I mean. Ah, Okay, I know this is
why we have a podcast together, ye Wes Wilson. Yeah, okay,
Oh we have to no, okay, well hold on. Then
I have to make my very very important point I
(53:30):
agree with you, like sex is important, especially when you're
twenty nine year old West Wilson. It is. No, of
course it is, or any of my producer friends here.
Of course it's important. But it's something like when you
really like her and you're just fucking loving her and
laughing and she's hot as hell and you can work
on it, you can get there and you want to
(53:52):
more than if it's like.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And that's fun too, Yeah, to get there together?
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, And I mean, how bad could
it be? I mean, that's for another episode. Okay, it's
all downhill from here. Listeners, because it's not going to
get better at this than this hour, But listen if
you feel like it. Come back next week. Wes and
I will be discussing more intimate details of his sex life.
Wow for now, from me to you, just Jen, signing
(54:21):
out later. Leader Subscriber Subscribe, Push subscribe
Hi, you guys. This is Jen Fessler and I am
not here as a part of Two Jersey Jays, which
I will always be a part of, but I am
here for the first time ever doing my own solo podcast.
It has been labeled just Jen, but I think that
might be the dumbest name I ever heard. So you're
(00:22):
the surprise, So very very excited to be here in
the iHeart Studios. I thought long and hard about who
I wanted to be my first guest on my first
single podcast. I've met a lot of very cool people
in my time as a New Jersey friend of a
housewife run and my favorite person that I met, and
(00:46):
I want to give him a big head. It happened
a while back at a watch party in Los Angeles,
and I was there with the beautiful Lisa Milan, and
we were backstage we were going to surprise this club
of people, and all of a sudden, Golden Retriever puppy
pounced on to the scene and everybody was sort of look.
(01:07):
I think he brought a gaggle of young men that
were just so thrilled to be there, and he had
this dumb, adorable smile just all over his face and
everybody was kind of staring at him, and I met
him and it was love at first sight. His name,
in case you're wondering, drum roll please, is mister west Wilson. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
My parents have never said anything that nice to me
before my life.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And they probably never will. I've never said that about
my own kids. Thank you good. I'm glad you liked it.
I am so happy to be here with you. You
are my number one choice.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I one. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It is my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That was the best injury of all time. I ate mutual.
Oh that was such a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We had such a ridiculously fun time that I know.
By the way, ps, we were totally fucked up. So
I did bring I asked, actually, my friend Andrew over here,
one of the producers, if you had me tequila just
for fun, just to hasten us up. It is my
first time. It's my first doing a shot. We're doing
a shot. Are you into it or no?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Time is it isn't even like what time is it?
Three o'clock? Hold on, I'm bringing it to you.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Oh wow, thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
All right, you guys, this is going to be a
really really fun podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, I know, we're rob dogging this. I don't know
anything what we're doing today. Listen, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I we're totally winging it. All I know is they
said that I can do my own podcast, and I
was like, all right, I want tequila and Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Does does what you call it just jen digestion chase?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, for the next tip until we get sucked up,
and then I'm going to come up with something better. No, honey,
to be a man.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, That's why I asked. I want to make sure
she is hes. I haven't. I haven't stuck it on
golf drops all day and that Oh my god, real spicy.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Wow. But I'll also, I've never met that was ever
someone i'd ever met a housewife. I'm not a housewife.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm a friend of a housewife, but I know, right,
I say that just to be silly. But yes, for
me spilling.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Still, that was like, yes, first interaction.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Did you ever watched housewives?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
No? Obviously, being in the Bravo universe, I hear about
housewives all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Lucky you, but I never had like a real encounter.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No, And that was so fun. He chose two incredible
women for me.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I have to say that leaves some milan.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I didn't realize this, but there was an article that
came out about how I like hit on her the
whole night.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Not you, No, not you West if anything, it was okay,
do you guys hear what he just said? Yeah, I
just want to make sure everyone heard that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No. But I couldn't believe how many kids she had. Yeah,
because she's she looks what like twenty six, isn't she?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, And I think she told me that, and I
kind I was like, stoping, Wow, three kids.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well we're going to get into Wes Wilson and who
he hits on and why, but well we'll just give
it another minute here to acclamat So we fell madly
in love and one of the things. And by the way, ps,
just so everyone knows, my husband was literally sitting there
with us, my best friend Cherry. So when we're taught
we were it was so flirtatious. I haven't flirted that
(04:15):
much since I was probably I don't know, I don't know,
maybe never. And Jeff would be sitting right here next
to me and saying that he loved every single minute
of it. He could not believe that a twenty something
was hitting on his fifty six year old Yes, old
hag wife, it was fabulous, Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Not old hag. Thank you stop, thank you Smoke Show.
Thanks what we say?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Guy's great to hear?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Can you hear? What is called me? Smoke Show? That's
the new name of the podcast, that land, that's one
the name. And not only that. I want this whole
podcast I see it's all coming to me in the
middle of this. I want it to be like this.
I want it to be me with younger men, right, yeah,
preferably ones that think I'm a smoke show yep. And
then we're just going to shoot the ship.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah. Oh, I got a lot of homeboys that we
can bring in here. Really.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, you know, I just met with it who I
just met Kyle.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Thoughts he's got but he's too old. He's forty two.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh right, he's one of the bros.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right, he gives like thirty one. Yeah that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I was actually surprised to say this, and this is
not any And I've watched some of Summer House. I
hadn't watched all of it. I didn't watch it back
years ago. But I was very impressed with him, not
because I didn't think that he was, but that he
just didn't seem like what I had seen on the
few episodes that I had watched. Yeah, we were laughing.
He I guess he cut the mullet.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
He did. Unfortunately, I was like with the only person
who liked it. I'm not surprised on it all the time.
And well, I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Didn't think he was handsome before. Now I think he's
very handsome. Again, I was drunk, and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Also, this is iHeart. Can I say the word shiit?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I just said fuck about okay twelve times?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So, yes, I met Kyle. I told him that we
were doing this, and then I actually tried to add
him on Instagram and he did not except or add
me back. I'm just pretty mad out doubt. Kyle's private,
very private. I don't like it. He ain't coming on
the show. He's going to begging to come on this show.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Let's see. I don't think that I'm going to be
a Carl.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
On next I love Carl Ratkey.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
How we have to check this out. Oh, I don't
think Kyle's.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I'm going to show you watch what's his name again?
Kyle what Cook? Kyle hold on Kyle trying.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
To think of other famous Kyle's emn of accidentally.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Okay, Hi, wait, we both follow wrestling Conrad, which, by
the way, I don't know what that means. I mean, look,
I said, this is Monday. Hi, my new friend loved
chatting with you the other night. So I wasn't going
to say do you want to come on my podcast?
Was going to save it and he didn't respond. So
now he doesn't get an invite.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay, So Kyle, right, Kyle Cook could fuck off. Although
I thought that he was charming, he is charming, very sweet.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He's a sweet boy.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I guess the wife wasn't there at this. We went
to Jen. You know Jen Geyser, Is that is that
a that is somebody that you really should not admit
to not knowing. She's sort of your boss NBCPR your face. Yes, no,
she's beautiful, but and my age you would love her.
But she had this fundraiser for her son has chronic
(07:15):
kidney disasse.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Matt, Yeah, no, I saw, I know exactly what you're
talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, So he was there, but not with Amanda.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I guess he's very outside that guy, Kyle, Yeah,
never home.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, he's adorable. I love meeting him anyway. I don't
want to just have a podcast with younger men. I
want to have a podcast potentially, and I'm still kind
of flushing it out with people who like have those
age different so like women as well, and like you,
and I could like shoot the shit about what's going on,
and I can tell you all of my wisdom and
you can tell me that I'm completely like stuck in
(07:48):
the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't know your pants. You're not stuck anyway, as Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Very very I know, right, Yeah, great stylist, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So you're not stuck fashion wise, you're not. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I appreciate that we're going to talk a little bit
about Wes Wilson. You guys, And what I want to
know is not what everybody else wants to know. So
what does everybody else ask you?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
How is your sure?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I don't care about that. So one of the things
I freaked out about when I met West was he well,
he showed me a picture of his father, and that
was an immediate problem.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That happens a lot. Actually, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Don't know if you guys that are listening, I'm thinking
that you're probably all West groupies.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He had a moment on the show and then I
have a show right now on Complex, which is where
I work, Okay, and he had another moment where I
went on the stage. This chick was asking about my dad,
showed pictures they like flashed the thing, and that became
I think he's aged twelve though, and he's a cowboy, so.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He's actually so so his mom, as you guys don't know,
is an obgyn beautiful woman and the dad is a cowboy.
Now picture they those two people got together and made
West Wilson. So them like back into that right, Like
what are they like?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
My dad very like caught, yeah, I guess fiery, very outgoing,
brash kind of individual mom, I would say, modest, reserve,
soft spoken, wants everyone to like have a good time,
like like a glass of wine, kind of just like sweet, sweet,
sweet lady. But I think the best thing for their
(09:36):
marriage now is that they're both so different and their
lives are so different that like my mom goes and
does like vagina shit all day, my dad does. Actually
that's probably.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
How they describe it. What's her name? Elizabeth Elizabeth, I'm
here for vagina shit.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Weirdly enough though, actually because my dad does deal with
cows and like them giving birth and that whole process.
He deals with caw vaginas and night cow birth and
right calves all the time. So they actually can share.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The love that that a little bit Giina talk but once.
That's actually the name of the new podcast, Vagina Vagina
Talk first guest Vagina first get how fitting. That's awesome fitting. Okay,
so you have parents that are very into vagina. Yeah, anyway,
but I will tell you that it did. It did
take me back when we were talking and I was
getting to know my dear friend Wes. I was like, wait,
(10:27):
what did you say? Your father's a what and your
mother is a what? Yeah, but it makes sense because
he walks in here with like this, he's got this
swagger thing going, but you can tell he's not like
all swagger like you got a little there's an intellect
thing happening here. I know someone to say that, I know, No,
I know, I'm good like that, thank you fifty six.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Uh yeah, but people are very fascinated by that like combination.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Of occupying a hot occupation. I mean a hot combination
kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes. But before my dad was full time on the farm,
he taught world history for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think, full time on the farm and.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Was a football coach. And of course he was he's
very like, very like dad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You have a brother.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I have a little brother who lives in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He is a software engineer for Capital one. Okay, so
he like codes and fucking like, I don't know what
any of that shit means.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But is he just getting laid now?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Like it's nobody's He's a girlfriend guy, always had oh
really opposites in that way. Yeah, always had girlfriends.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah. And he doesn't even have to pull out the
West Wilson card.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
No, that's not uncommon.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh my god, my kids I have I have a
twenty four year old son.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And he was mortified by the whole thing. He was like, listen,
you do you don't ask me to ever get involved
in that ship. That is the most embarrassing. Now, all
of a sudden, he's out chatting up whoever just happens
to come up in conversation, do you Oh yeah, no,
my Zach Fessler. Fessler, you know you've heard.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of it, and Where does he live?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He is here, he was New York.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I grew We don't even tried it. Don't even try this. No, no, no,
what You're going to turn the tables and all of
a sudden, I'm gonna be like telling you my life story.
I have to get yours.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
But I like to interview people as well, and that's
where a good conversation is.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, where I'm from? I grew up in Tech, Texas.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
No I remember actually from say that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, it doesn't really because it doesn't really make sense.
I'm a Jersey housewife, right right, But yeah, I grew
up in Sugarland, Texas. Is that closer to Southwest Houston?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I love that?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, husband, husband, Yes, where if you met him? His
name is Jeff Essler. He grew up in Union, New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So he's more he's like the Jersey roots.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes. I moved to New York right after I graduated
from the University of Texas and immediate hooke Horns. And
my plan was, well, my parents were divorced. They were
both like Brooklyn Jews, and my father I was always
living here and I was absolutely going to end up
in New York City. Right, that was like the dream.
And then I meet this frickin' stuff nerdy yes jew
(12:57):
boy from Central Jersey of all places, and now I
have like this Jersey has been, these two Jersey kids,
and I'm on the housewist of New Jersey, something that
I could not have predicted. As a matter of fact,
do your kids give me no, I just come here.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Do your kids identify with Jersey?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I mean I certainly hope so they were born and
raised here.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, so they're like Jersey kids.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
They're Jersey kids. I mean, they can't deny.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It when people say where are you from? If you're
like on a trip or.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like, I feel like they're Jersey proud they are.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, It's interesting. Yeah, I always like to because obviously
people move, but a lot of people affiliate that, like
with different parts of their lives. Like I'll always claim
Missouri because I grew up there, But like I know
people who move here and like are like em from
New York. You're not.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think it's as cool as it used to be.
Wait cheers, oh wow, boom am, right here we go.
What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You guys?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You producers are sitting there like fucking three, like is
letting it happen? You don't give a shit. It's not
your career on the line, So so tell me who
you're dating. No, I'm gonna take that back. I'm gonna
take it back. I'm gonna take it back because I
actually sent West a text before we even started this
and said, are you dating anyone? I don't want to
(14:16):
step on anybody's toes. That sounded wrong, not because like
I'm gonna get in there with you. I want to
step on an oh god.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Feet and you find it fascinating though.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh, I know you have other fetishes you like into
like old lady poor messed up. Yes exactly. I was
going to say so anyway, so I know that you're
there's there are people that you are seeing or a
person or whatever. But we're gonna move away from that
for a moment because what I really want to talk
about is uh, not just who you're dating now, but
like Wes Wilson out there, and we're not going to
(14:52):
talk about from the beginning, not from like second grade,
but like, I want to know what's going on with
your kind of women you look for? What is it
like to be you and out on the dating scene maybe,
like even how it's a difference before you got on
the show. We're not going to talk about the beautiful, stunning,
sweet Sierra because I know that that's probably what everybody
wants to talk about, and I like to be different,
So we're gonna put that aside.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You are.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
If she ever listens to this, Wow, that is I
don't know what the fuck you were thinking there, but
that's anyway, that's their podcast. Somebody to smack you hard.
But anyway, okay, now'm moving on, moving on. Okay, tell
me about because I want what I'd like is like
to give my fifty six year old mama bear like insight,
(15:35):
like okay, so oh okay, what have you had a
lot of girlfriends?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Not really, but I've had a lot of relationships?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wait wait, I'm sorry. Do you young people understand the difference?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes? Yeah, come on, look all three?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Oh, because like now my kids are like they're like, oh,
I have a boy, so you have a boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No, he's a boy or they do the same they
say we're talking yes, yeah, does that mean you're fucking
well depending on age, but yeah, I think it does
mean that. I would say, okay, I am not the
poster child for like healthy text book relationship.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
There is no poster child for that, my love.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, but I think people who like have clear and
defined relationships do a good job of at least keeping
it pretty objective and like by the book and it's easy.
Who does That's like he'll like have a girlfriend, be
single for a few months, and like if he likes someone,
they're like dating. Where I don't like get there as fast.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Or like really stay there as fast.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I just like I kind of have lived in the
gray area since I was like eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, well I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
That I lost my virginity to a girlfriend. Good for
your day. It's important to me.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
That is why how old were you?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Sixteen? I think, isn't everyone sixteen?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I was nineteen? But I was fast and no one
really wanted to That's a whole other issue. No, I
was like this, but in Texas though, yeah, nobody was interested.
I don't know. I was like a big frizzy hair.
I was like, I don't know, it was like just
so uncomfortable in my body. I was like just I
was loud, insecure and like everybody like my skny little friends.
(17:18):
It was. It's a sad story.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Then I see a frizzy hair.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Oh it wasn't a red glasses, red glass. I'll show
you red red glasses. Big thick hair, thick frizzy hair,
probably a buck ninety something like that. And all my
friends were like these beautiful little waifs. Yeah, so I
developed a personality.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah you were just eating Texas good, that's all.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, you're right, that's all.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It was exactly right. Okay, wait wait now we're on
me again. Where were we so? Okay, So you never
really had a girlfriend and you were always kind of
like riding the f I.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Did, like when my sophomore of high school, I think
through like a little bit of my junior year, I
was dating, I like boyfriend girlfriend, like introduce you to
my grandma was like, this is my girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, that's the one. You lost your virginity too?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, okay? Times where she now? She lived in New
York for a long time. Actually, I think I ran
into like one time. I think we made out in
like twenty eighteen on a whim. It was magical.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, is he the one that got away?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh? No, I was so young. I was just like okay.
She was a senior though when I was a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's hot. So to prom that's hot, which is a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Is no, So she moved, she graduated and the left
and then whatever. And then after that then I was like, okay,
I'll be I'm like going to college soon whatever. And
then definitely had a high school crush who I stayed
in communication with like throughout college, but like we went
to different schools. So I was like, you know, do
(18:48):
you all do me? Then? Like holidays, you like go
home and other watch movies and stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You Netflix and chill, Netflix and chilled. Do you see
how you guys see.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That one's kind of out though now we're done with
that one.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Of course, of course. Yeah, no, this is what This
is what I want. I want to give you advice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Where do you get your memes and ship from Facebook?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I thought you saw me as what did you say,
I'm smoking? What's the new name of the new stroke show?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Rocket Ship?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Smoke Show? And now you think it I'm on Facebook.
I am on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I know you are.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I am just follow I have to follow birthdays.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Actually, I'm gonna say a great point by you. Facebook
somehow knows when it's an important person's birthday and sends
me a fucking little alert and I'm like, honestly.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know you could do that. I can get
the alert without going on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Uh, Like Facebook sends it to you. They like know
who your friends are and they.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Say, like, it's I love this podcast so cousin cousin
Kate's birthday.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Ever since I became a reality superstar, I stopped going
on Facebook and I transition to Instagram. As a result,
I've lost so many friends people that I love because
I don't remember their freaking birthday.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yep, yeah, that's super fair.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know, Twitter though, is a place absolutely not Elon
has it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now, which it's like people are like it looks now,
but it's still is like that's where peak intelligent humor
comes from. And I don't know how people read it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Reddit.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, Reddit's the meanest fucking people ever.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And they're like, I thought Twitter was the meanest people ever.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Twitter is like kind of funny though. Reddit. I've never laughed.
I've just like cried. Yeah eating Reddit, I stopped. I stopped.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Good. This is all about you. How much of your
ship do you read?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It went from so fucking good, welcome to Bravo Reality
for like four months, and then one day so bad,
and I was like, not doing this anymore?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
No, I knew, well, you really I love this.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So you were like I'm out or I'm out of
Reddit or I'm not gonna be on the show anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, no, no, like I've just like engaged or like
because like I'll be super honest, like in the beginning,
everything was so good that I openly consumed it. You
know what I mean, Yes, I know exactly, but I
know it's I mean I did tell myself. I was like,
if you get in this habit of like like looking
(21:07):
up your fucking name or hashtags like all these things,
I was like that it's never nothing's going to be
this good forever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And I tried to kind of but even knowing that,
even knowing that there's like that little boys that says,
well they'd never met me before.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, but then it was like so like overnight horrible
that it was kind of easy.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do you remember? It was like the reunion hadn't aired,
and the night that I met you, I was like,
how's it going, and You're like, I fucked it up.
It was like the reunion. I screwed it all up
and it han't even aired yet, and you were stressing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, I mean I wasn't. I've never done one of
those before.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Fun right, fucking yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Man, damn my life.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I hope that was the worst day of your life,
my love. Uh, because it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, it wasn't, but it was certainly like jolting. Yeah,
like whoa. It's also not like real life like this
our show. At least it's like the weekend. You show up,
fucking do your own shit, go home, Like it's kind
of like it's what I would be doing on the
weekend anyways. Okay, the reunion is like not anything you
can like be. I tried to be. I don't know.
(22:13):
I just wasn't ready. Yeah, so I learned a lot
that day.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wait, have you guys done another reunion? No, not yet.
It hasn't even aired, of course not. But you're done filming. Yeah, Okay,
that's all we're gonna talk about summer.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So now high school college, now you're single, you're living.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
In Bozeman, Montana.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, I can't picture that for the life of me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I played football and it was like just oh.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's right. I have that my producer Jack that in
my notes somewhere. You probably told me that, but I
don't remember. You played like college football.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah it was. I didn't really know.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Can you just look at this for a second. I
came in here with just dumped me. No, this is
how I started the podcast. Started it like this, and
this is how it's gonna end.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's that's good for ratings.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah. I went to Bosontana on Tannasee University in the Mountains,
great place away sports because it's still D one but
there's no other.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Big D one. You played football for a D one.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know that. That's cool. I want to bite day. Yeah,
so that was tight, and it was all.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The kids in my Upper Saddleway of New Jersey. All
the parents they hold them back before they go to
middle school and they yeah, they do all that ship
because their kids are going to play and they're gonna
be They just don't. No one does. No one gets
to play for D one except for Wes Wilson.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But it was awesome and it's fucking cool. For four years,
four and a half. I read shirted my freshman year. Wow,
which is like you don't play and they give you
an extra year. But football is easy because it's just
the fall. You're like fifty year okay, but yeah I
lettered four years, which was.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like, I don't know what it means, but it has
to be you.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You like play enough that you like the first time you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Letter, you get a jacket.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, but it's not like it's not like varsity because
it's college.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So it's just like okay, and then what were you
supposed to go to the NFL?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't know. I'm like a were you good? Good?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Is like a stretch had to be pretty good?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Like it was fun played? I don't. I wouldn't say
I ever at any point was like I'm I'm not naive,
like I kind of knew. I'm like a six foot
white dude like that. Playing safety in NFL is not
like that realistic. Really, I mean it's possible.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Can't you being humble like were you really good?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
No? No? In college? No, like everyone's good in high school.
It's fun. I broke my leg when I was a
junior and I got an interception my first game back.
If I broke my leg, which was like my shining moment.
But also we can this can be like thirty minutes
if you really want to get into it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Not that I don't, but other things that we had,
not that I'm not. I I love you and I
could go on forever. Yeah, but I know we're limited. Okay,
So now we're done with football. Okay, no, unless you're
something important.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
No, it's like a trauma. It's like, hell, I don't
want any of them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, no, thank you. Okay. So anyway, but so you're this,
you're this adorable football and tell me about girls. That's
really what I want to know about. So now you're
in college and you're just a stud.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So a lot like where I grew up in Missouri.
I want to say, the frat dudes and good frats
got like hotter chicks than athletes did. Okay, she's always
found like super fascinating, but Montana State smallish Greek life
or just like not as cool. I would say football
and basketball like performed the best.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, as far as with the ladies, I die from you, Okay, go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
On, yeah, but I've been I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh my god. I just think about the fact that
like the younger Jennifer, Okay, like I would have you
would have ruined my life on so many different levels
because you're that guy, Like you're actually like a nice
guy and you don't really want to hurt anyone. It
just can't be helped. Thinks you're just fucking messy mess
you meet it. Yeah, yeah, you're very loving and you
(26:06):
walk the best for everyone I do. And you would
have destroyed me. Oh my god. I would rather introduce
you to a stranger. My daughter will never meet you,
God forbid.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Because the problem is that you can't be mad.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Because you're you. I know some people are mad, but
I did One time I chick in New York where
I was dating kind of a little bit. After we,
like whatever, stopped talking, she did text me and say,
it's really hard to stay mad at you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Oh no, that's because she wants to get back together.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well she shouldn't have told you think about it, you do.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh no, she could be mad at you. She just
thought maybe there was still a chance. That's my opinion.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
It's a similar sentiment to like what, I don't know.
It's not good that I like, we're to like hold
on to that statement.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But it is good, and I really feel like that
is who you are. And I you know, I've known
you for a million years, but I just your eyes whatever,
thank you? So okay, hold on. So now college, So
you're a stud football player, but you're not as dudley
as the frap boys. Who cares?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
No, we were at Montana State for okay, so there.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are lots of girls. Now you go and you start
working at.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh wow, this is so embarrassing. My first job in
New York City.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Wait, did you move from Montanna State to New York?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah? I moved from Montana to New York. Why. I
had an aunt who lived here, who's actually on the show.
She like makes a little cameo okay, and I was
I just wanted. I don't know. I lived in the Midwest,
South whatever you want to call it, and then lived
in the mountains. And I was like, let's try the
East Coast and like, see you again.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That's how you picked you just said, let's try the
East Coast.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I had a couch to crash on for like a
few months.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I was like, might as well, cool, did you have
a job when you came here?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Uh? No, I slept on her couch just like took
a bunch of stupid fucking interviews and then had actually
for six months before that the job. I was gonna
tell you this is crazy. I was like, what can
I do to make like side money. I worked for
MLB for a little bit, but I was like, a PA,
(28:03):
fucking it doesn't matter, it's not important. I walked into
an Equinox and I was like, I don't feel like
they actually care about like performance. They just they want
people to look hot in an Equinox. And I was like,
can I like be a trainer? And they were like,
we'll call you.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Did you have training experience?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Dude? No? But I played football in college, so I
know problem.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Can I be a trainer? And they say, sure, we'll
call you. That is the biggest problem. That's probably your
biggest problem. But you never get no.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But I'd like worked out in group environments and like
been around like strength coaches and stuff, so I did
like their training. And they're like, you have to get
a personal training certification to obviously be a personal trainer.
I was like, for sure, I'll do it, and I
just never did it for seven months and train.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
People without the certification.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, And I just said, like I said.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Engage your I mean do very well after this, right,
so you just train people. So this is I would.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So I would wake up at like five, bike to Equinox, say,
engage your core for like three hours, and then I'd
take a nap in the equipment room for an hour,
and then take the train to MLB and then work
till like seven. I had like a year of like
trying to like like figure it out. Good year, easy, No,
because I still don't like make money. I finally moved
(29:13):
in an apartment and like barely survived. I remember making
sweet potatoes for lunch for like three weeks. One time.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I was like, the fuck my damn, that's exactly what
you were supposed to be doing. You were twenty two
twenty three. Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So then I took a sales job. I'm going to
tell you the name of the company, and like everyone
in this room's gonna fucking laugh. It was called media Planet,
like it sounds like pizza Planet from Toy Story, cheesy,
and they sell they sold us on like you create
these like campaigns and fucking they go out and the
news or whatever. It is basically selling print ad space
in twenty nineteen, which is like not possible.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I just can't picture you sitting in any kind of
a confined space selling anything.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I made the company zero dollars, right.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, no, I would have guessed that. No, that would
have that would have been I could have told you that.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But maybe not a fit best best friends in New
York at all?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
From right, of course.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Actually, then I kind of dated a girl from that
company for a while, like a year.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Uh? It was good and then it ended bad, but
as they all do.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Okay, back on that, let's focus. So now you're twenty four,
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Twenty probably like twenty four, I think twenty.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Five, okay, and this up to this point, has any
girl ever really broken your heart?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No? I wonder all the time. I'm like, do I
have that coming my way?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yes, never happened, but hold on wait, maybe not. I'm
going to decide by the end of the hour. Okay,
So hold on. So now you're twenty four, twenty five
and you're doing your thing. And I know because we
spoke about it the night in LA You had a job,
and then you didn't have a job. You had a
cool last job. Yeah, I remember, what was it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I was a producer for Bleacher Report. Which is like
a big.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Sports Andrew's over here nodding.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, right, like media, Like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's like a barstool sports.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, but like see why I do that. Yeah, but
like barstool I have I'm an anti barstool just I.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Don't really know what barstool is, but I know that
that's those are words that go together.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah. Actually, to get that job, I had to move
to Las Vegas for a year to help them launch
like a betting vertical part of the company. I don't
really sports bet at all, but I knew enough to
fake it. Okay, live in Vegas for a year with
the goal to get like promoted back to New York.
That happened. And then yeah, basically like traveled the country
(31:36):
for like three years, like just going to events and
parties and like making fucking tiktoks and.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I want to be you in my next life so bad,
Oh my god, which is.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Why I was like, I don't think anyone I wouldn't
want to date me right now, And I'm not going
to like not go out if I'm in another city
and say paid for Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Let's not say that out loud on the podcast, because
we want girls to want to date you. They just
need my advice a little bit. But hold on, we're
getting way ahead of ourselves. So now you're at this
great cool job in Vegas and you get fired Vegas.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Back to New York. I was in New York for
like three years and then got laid off.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
We had to say laid off because I was gonna say, okay, sorry,
laid off. There was a group of people. Yeah, they
were making cuts.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
We got acquired and then they let go a bunch.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Of people fired and anyway, okay, go on.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
In their defense, my I think my expenses were like
more than my salary.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I'm not surprised to hear that you knew how to
entertain the clients.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Why, Like it wasn't even client. It was just like
if I had to not be home ever, I'm going
to like use this corporate card and have fucking fun.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know that makes sense to me? Yeah, or what
are you gonna do? But you were laid off, you
were not fired.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I just wanted to be clear to our studio.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm also going to give them another shout out. Yes,
I had six months severance, which for being twenty worked
for a year three and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Four You had six months severance. Is this company still around?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, bleachars, Wow, they'll be around for a while.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Out six months severance to people that overspend on their
fucking corporate card.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But yeah whatever, No, it was I that was appreciative.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Bet Okay, So now you're fired. I'm sorry, but I'm
gonna okay. So you're fired, but you're West. So you're
in a bar and somebody says to you, oh, you'd
be great for this reality show summer House, at which
point point you are launched into your career as a
reality superstar. Now I just summ that up very quickly.
(33:27):
You do a better job, You're fired. You're in a
bar drinking away your sorrows.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, you made your West thing. And I think my
whole life like things had always like like come to
the next like step in the process, right, and then
it was over like in one day, right, And I
thought things would happen super quick, because especially with that job,
I knew a lot of cool Like I just thought,
I don't need to try that hard to get a
job at all, like come to me like easy.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I can't. This is all potause of your parents, By
the way, you have fucking great parents.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
They're awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I know they are, as I can tell you have
so esteem.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I gotta get Christmas fucking gifts too. We'll talk about
the later.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
You don't do that now, we'll get there.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But no, So I was in a bar and I
met Lindsay Hubbard on the show and like we like,
I don't know, we had like a shot or some ship.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And then were you coming on to her?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
No? She was like she was so bragging about being
engaged to Carl at that time.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I remember, and you did you know what summerhouse was?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No? What? No? I didn't I like anything.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I understand, not do cool.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I just didn't really know.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh you were too cool.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The Bravo shit was as big as it is. So
then I get a phone call. Actually this is crazy too.
I was in Europe for a wedding, came home, had
just spent like a lot of money. Severance had just ended,
and I was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to Like,
I took a call to sell lobster in Maine. That's
not a joke either. I was like, really, I was
(34:52):
ready to throw the towel in and just because I
like had to make money.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
So even that, in fact, you have an opportunity to
sell lobster in Maine. Like you didn't just say to me,
oh and I got a call to be a telemarketer. No,
of course you got the call to like sell lobster.
There's something so romantic about that, right, It's like something
your options were summer house, lobster, and Maine.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Wha, yeah, yeah, fair, Okay. Uh So then I was
not really in any position to say no to the
show because I don't think Bleacher Report would have let it.
I know they wouldn't have let me do it if
I was still with them not having a jobs run
for a week, and then I started to feel like
kind of gross and bored, and I was just like
ready to do some shit. Yeah, And I was like,
(35:34):
just were to think.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's not just so you know, for the rest of
the world, things don't come together this easily. There's no
that was like, No, I just want you to know.
I want you didn't struggle. Let me just say this
for you. That is not you have not you are
just life.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
No. Yeah, no, Like you.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Were born to a cowboy guynecologist family, the best combination
I've ever heard of in my life. You were born
not only were you athletic, not just athletic like kids,
I know you also were like went to a what
was it called a D one college where of course
you went to the college where the frap boys weren't
as cool as the athletes, and apparently that doesn't happen often.
(36:11):
But what you've described to me, and then you leave
there because of course, you have an aunt with an
available couch in New York City, at which point you
get a job at like the coolest what is it
called again, sports Bool Star, a Star, Bars, Bleacher whatever,
same thing.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You get, of course a job for no reason. I
don't know why you get a job at Bleacher whatever,
it is so cool, and then they let you go,
but they'd let you go with six months severance, even
though the reason they're letting you go is because he
didn't make them any money. You just spent money on
the corporate card, at which point you leave and you say, oh, okay,
I'll bum around now a little bit. Somebody wants me
to do lobsters in Maine, or Lindsey Hubbard wants me
(36:50):
to be on Summer House. I just want you to appreciate. Yeah,
I don't know who, what kind of a good mood.
Your parents were in the night that they made you.
I don't know what sun is shining on your head,
my love, but it is good. But the thing is,
it's okay because you're just so cute and you can
just tell you just humble, so like it so I
(37:11):
don't even resent it, like it's okay, so good, finally, okay,
moving on. So then you meet Lindsay and somebody. You
get the phone call.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, and I was like, all right, fuck it, let's
do the show. And then and showed up really and
fucking filmed, and then I got I was still because
I was still applying for jobs. So I think I
got a job offer from Complex is where I work.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now, okay, this is why you were about to start filming.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
No, this is like I got the job offer in
the fucking house, which the fact he sent me the
email on a Friday while you're there was perfect because
I couldn't have you have a job.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's not just this.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, I've been working since for like a year
and a half. You have post Bleacher Report. Yeah. Complex
Cool used to be a print magazine. Now it's like
a big it's like a pop cult, your media outlet.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I guess what do you do for them?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I was more of like a sports producer for the
last year, and then it gave me a dating show
like six months ago or but like four you guys
know this.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Nobody was going to tell me about this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Sound like a dating show. I'm not like looking for love.
I'm like still interviewing people the Yeah, so I'm interviewing
women about like their life through like a gimmicky date
so to speak.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
What do you mean, So.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's like fishing on a boat or like go karting
or like whatever, and like there's like a food and
then fucking blah blah blah, Like would you go on
a second date?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Like it's very so you're going with them on the
boat with them and the person that they're dating. No,
it's it's so you're dating everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I'm like going on the dates and what are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Hold on? So now your job?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I can't. Is there no more tequila? I what are
you talking about? So now you get summer house. You've
now gotten You've lived this gold then charmed life, and
now you get summer house. You don't even know what
the fuck it is? Many many, many boys your age,
I say boys, but I mean men. I mean boys
would have been would have died to have gotten this gig.
And then while you're doing that, someone says, you know
(39:13):
what we want to give. We want to pay you
money to go out on boats and we're just going
to fix you up with girls, and then that'll be
we'll give you a salary for that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'll say the idea of the show came from after
this my first season of Summerhouse, because I kind of
at that point somewhat dated or like experienced romance in
the public eye, and so like my boss's boss thought
my POV having done that would be relatable to like
(39:43):
interview other people who have tried dating while they were
like also famous. So that's sort of like what the
context of like the dates are is like talking about
like their life and being able to relate just to you.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
So are you going out? Well, first of all, what
is it called plug.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It West date? Ever? Oh my god, I don't I
didn't name it, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I actually think it's very cute.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
The first episode was talked to and you went on
a date with her. We went fishing on a boat
in nash.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
But these are dates you were going on dates, so
what is supposed to happen though, You're supposed to find
someone or then that would ruin the whole show.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, yeah, it's just it's like an interview. It's just
through the lens of like here's a date, make.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It cute, and how do your producers pick the girls?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Well, we the first three we did without having published anything,
so it was like just the like pitching the concept
and like the Complex has like a big talent team,
Like the talent that Complex has on a roll of
Dex is like super good. Okay, do you have the
show Hot Ones where that people do the hot wings
and like do an interview? Yes, that was a complex
show originally. Okay, it's not anymore, but like that started
(40:47):
it complex. So it's just like same.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You didn't get hired to be a host.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, but I got hired to do still do interviews
and like do shit on camera, but just on like
a long form capacity. So I was doing interviews like
I interviewed Patrick Mahomes and like Joe Burrow Lamarga, like
a lot of sports people. Like when it all started, okay,
and then we kind of pivoted more to like this, but.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I'm gonna stop saying this. It's just you are I
like feel so bad for like all the girls you've
ever met and like even your friends. But that's a
whole we'll move on to that moment.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So okay, so now we're here.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So now we're not here yet. So I just want
to say in the show for one more second, because
you did the Hawk whatever her name is, and then
you did who else?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sega? One was this lady named India Love. She's like
an LA influencers. She's not like super mainstream, she has
like very niche following. And then third was her name's
Joy Taylor. She's a Fox sports host. Okay, uh, and
so that was good for like kind of like the
(41:50):
sports market. And then we're trying to get can I say?
I can say we're trying to get Drew Barrymore for
the fourth one to.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Go on a date with you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Not, I don't mean that the way it came out.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
No, it's okay, Yeah, that's like that's just who we're
targeting for the fourth But you like, Complex has a
really good.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I'm sorry, what, Yeah, that's do you know who she is?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah? Fifty first dates she's Yeah, she starts.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, do you know what that movie is?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, not, come on, you're twenty nine?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Thank god? Thank god?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Okay, yeah, I mean and he's wearing a red hood.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I look, come on, where do I watch the show?
Do I have to go on the internet?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
YouTube?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah? Oh my god, you type it in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm so excited to see send. Okay, all right, I
can't take We need to do an this can't. I
have to have a Maybe you should.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Be my co host. I'll stay for another hour.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's not just no, I'm saying into perpetuity, like I
maybe we should have a Okay, anyway, I'm getting weight. Yes,
I know you're like, you're cool. You ain't that cool?
I'm doing my complex. Come on, Summer Awl's a nice lady.
But so I want to talk about now you're dating,
(43:12):
You're on Summer House, you are living in New York City.
You're obviously meeting different girl, different night, right, So what
is happening? What kind of girls are you meaning? And
why aren't they translating into girlfriends? I just don't What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't wake up and crave human touch? No, No
that I do I'm very like a very snugly, touchy,
affectionate person, but like I just don't crave like a
like boyfriend girlfriend like lock it in. Yeah, I also too.
(43:49):
I am also afraid of hurting people's feelings breakups. Like
I'm afraid the second I whatever fall in love dates
someone whatever, you either get married or you like have
a break up and you're sad for six months. Such
an immature POV. But I like, true, have you been
in love? I don't think. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
You said you were? You said I love you?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, but I say, you want to know what's okay?
I'm gonna bring up the show. We there's a moment
where I said I love you to every like I
said it to the girl I've seen, but I also
had been saying it to everyone in the house and
she was like, nothing you say is that serious as
you say it to everyone? And so I was like,
I'm I mean, I understand that it has weight and
(44:36):
like it means something, but I like, say I love
you to like all my homeboys phrase that.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Then I get it. So you haven't had really your
heart broken?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
No? I don't think no, And is.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It do you think? Because because I have a whole
philosophy about this.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I've been in the driver's seat, right, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't mean have to say that's it. Ladies, if
you're listening and you love Wes Wilson, please listen to
what he just said. He has been in the driver's seat.
That is not to take away from the fact that
I'm sure the women that you've been involved with, well,
I know one of them is clearly a ridiculously beautiful,
fabulous woman, but I'm sure they all have been. But
this would be my advice if it was, let's say,
(45:13):
my daughter, if Wes Wilson is the guy, or the
guy is a West Wilson type, play hard to get,
play hard to get as long and as hard as
you can to the point where like ice head is
spinning off his body. You're probably gonna disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
No, I think all the relationships have had that, like
had legs. Most of them were I chased in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Okay, so girls, listen, you heard it here first. Okay,
I say this to my daughter all the time, like
you are just too busy. You would love to talk,
but you're just too busy. Oh we go out tonight.
Can I meet. Can you meet me tonight? I would
love to, but I just I'm crazed. Talk to you later.
And I know, I know, but Rachel, if you're listening
(46:03):
that I didn't mean with Wes Wilson, stop it, stop that,
stop it. Sorry, Okay, I think that's so integral. I
was when I was your age, I worked for these
two friends of mine and they wrote this book called
The Rules, which you're not going to know about. Anybody
here heard of that book. Okay, So I actually went
(46:23):
them on my podcast. So these two women, Sherry and Ellen,
wrote this book called The Rules, and it was year
this was nineteen ninety six, and it was this very
sort of archaic People thought of it as a sort
of anti feminist book, and it was it listed out
(46:44):
these rules for finding quote unquote mister Wright. And I
know that, like, do you know what the rule?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Do you remember the rules? Of course?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Do I remember?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Minim?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I lived by them? There were that's a great question.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Fifty was it like three years, like a book of
like fucking hundreds?
Speaker 1 (46:58):
No, no, no, like fifteen or something. Okay. So, like
the concept behind it was that men and women are
in fact different. Men are from Mars. Do you know
what I'm saying? Yeah, Okay, they're different.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Get more stupid or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeaheah, no, that's no.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
That is what people said in Boys Got Jupiter to
get more stupidter.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh no, so that's what boys like you say. But
that's not what I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
What I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Okay, So anyway, the idea is that like it's basically
like boys want what they can't have, right, And I
don't think that's always true. And I don't want to
get in a bunch of trouble here. I'm not like,
you know, I'm just saying that it proved true for
me and most of the people that I know. So
for whatever reason, men are hunters, women are gatherers, and
and I don't know why we're built like this, but
(47:45):
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Historically though that is I mean, like survivally instinctually a
thing like that's.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Not okay, yeah, you're you're right, okay, Yeah, And this
book laid out the set of rules and the rules
like never accept because back in the day, like if
you mean it, you're asking for a Saturday night date.
Is that still a thing?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I think in New York. At least I try to
go during the week because I think everyone has Friday
Saturday plans already, so you do, okay. I would never
ask someone to like go, especially first or second date.
I would never ask some one to like ditch their
friends on Friday Saturday till like go get a drink.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
With me, unless you really liked her.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Uh yeah, but even then, Like, I feel like I'm
trying to go out with my boys on Friday Saturday too.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I thought you've never met anyone you really liked. No,
I know, I'm gonna get myself in so much trouble.
I don't wait, am I gonna? I don't mean it
like that. Clearly you've liked a lot of women. But
like the thing is, when you really like someone, you
don't give two shits about your boys on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
That's never happened, right. Wait? Can I tell you a
quick funny story? Yes? Please? The chick who I was
telling about, who I dated from work, it was that
Christmas I spent I have a white elephant with my
friends from home. Whatever you mean, It's like, it's like
gag gifts, but we've been doing it for so long
that people bring like real, like like fifty dollars gifts. Now, Okay,
(49:10):
I spent fucking like four days and like hundreds of
dollars making this like scrap book with like everyone had
like their own page, and it was like so cute
and like I scrap proud of it. Yeah, but it
was like online. It was just a big picture book
of like like all the memories of like this friend group.
And I brought it downstairs and was like so relieved
and so proud, and my dad was like, what did
you get I won't see her name. He's like, what
(49:33):
did you get her for Christmas? And I was like, fuck,
I didn't even think about it, Like I spent days
for this thing for my that.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I hope that people are listening. I hope that not
not people, I hope that women are listening because I
think this is so helpful. It's not gonna be helpful
for you, but it's gonna be very helpful for them.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah. No, my dad rips me all the time for
being too like group focused with my.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Don't think you're too anything I do. I don't, not
that I want to disagree with your gorgeous dad, but
what I think is what you just said is that
you you know, things have come very easy to you,
Wes Wilson, And I'm so happy about that because you
are you. I would probably be not happy about that
if it was some obnoxious asshole, but you're you. So
(50:22):
it's like and you just have in your eyes that
you're probably struggling anyway with something, and your hair is
in the face and you're like a little like sweaty,
but yet like you are living just like golden life.
So you can't even be mad about it because you
know you're not like cocky and whatever. So but this
is like the moral of the story. You just won't
(50:42):
it's going to have to not come easy. Yeah, and
so this role so the book, this book the rule.
So it's like, you can't you always have to say
not of guy if he doesn't ask you by Wednesday
for Saturday night, the answer is no, I'm busy. You
don't give him a hard time. You don't say why
didn't you call me? You just say so, I'm so sorry,
cannot do it. Wait, there's they're like, so, oh, well
(51:04):
you can't have sex for the first three which I
think is pretty progressive in nineteen ninety six, Right, that's
that is that's true. What does that mean? You think
that's good or not?
Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, Like that's yeah, that's fine. Three feels great, that
feels fair. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, I feel like with Wes, I'm gonna put a
caveat on this. Five. Don't do it for five. I
just feel like nothing, it's all coming comes too easy
to him.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Uh yeah, five.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
I mean okay, if the if the convo is stimulating,
I would chase five, like if the if.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
It's like fun and like the person's good banter.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, but just so you know that's because you like them.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. Same.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And also for women, this is a great way of
weeding people out because if he just doesn't like you
that much, it's like women are always worried. Well if
I you know, if I hold out or if I
don't go out with him, he'll find Yeah, if he
doesn't like you enough, he will find someone else. He
will absolutely, somebody will come that will be more interesting
to him. But that's the good news because guess what,
(52:12):
even if you if you hooked up with him, he
wasn't gonna like you enough anyway. So now uh yeah, no,
it was never gonna happen either. He's crazy about you,
and like you find that out and you guard yourself
or I mean, yes, you could have a relationship with
Wes Wilson. I'm sorry to talk about you like you know,
but he's gonna dump your us.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
I do think, and I think five is still cool.
But I do think you the first time you have
full blown sexual intercourse with someone, I do think that
you do feel closer or less close to that person,
like you can. Yes, the chemistry is there, it's not,
(52:52):
of course, but to where Like I do think it's
a part of figuring out if you're like all in
or not all in early Okay, And I'm not saying
first date, but I'm saying, like I think you know
it's important.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Sex is important.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I just think you learn a lot about your chemistry
with someone.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yes, in that regard, I'm going to agree with you
that it is important. I'm going to disagree with you
that it's necessarily a game changer, like for instance, this
is what I mean. Ah, Okay, I know this is
why we have a podcast together, ye Wes Wilson. Yeah, okay,
Oh we have to no, okay, well hold on. Then
I have to make my very very important point I
(53:30):
agree with you, like sex is important, especially when you're
twenty nine year old West Wilson. It is. No, of
course it is, or any of my producer friends here.
Of course it's important. But it's something like when you
really like her and you're just fucking loving her and
laughing and she's hot as hell and you can work
on it, you can get there and you want to
(53:52):
more than if it's like.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
And that's fun too, Yeah, to get there together?
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, And I mean, how bad could
it be? I mean, that's for another episode. Okay, it's
all downhill from here. Listeners, because it's not going to
get better at this than this hour, But listen if
you feel like it. Come back next week. Wes and
I will be discussing more intimate details of his sex life.
Wow for now, from me to you, just Jen, signing
(54:21):
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