Popping Off: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Ep 7

Teddi and Emily are recapping season 1, episode 7 of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm Teddy Mellencamp and this is Emily Simpson, and.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're listening to Popping Off.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Emily and I are in a fight, So it's gonna
be a little bit of a touchy podcast today.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're in a fight. We're in a fight because you're
coming to LA.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
You effortlessly could have zipped on over to my house.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I know, I know, person, I know I did not
plan this well at all, So now I have to
do this from my house, jump in my car, drive
to LA doesn't make any sense at all. I should
have went to LA this morning, and we should have
done the podcast together. I got it.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I can take a hint. You don't want to
see me in person?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
No I would. I'd prefer to be in person. We're
even better in person.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, I mean whatever, it's fine, it's fine. You know
how I feel about you right now? Whay do Zach
feels about what's her name?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Why?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Jed jennat Black?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know what, I'm going to send you some hate
texts the way that Zach sent to Jenny.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Do you want to divorce? Listen?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't even know that I can talk to you
right now, because clearly your morals are askew.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
They are. I actually I didn't come because I was
too busy gambling this morning. That's why I was over
at Pachanga, just you know, just wastend the family money.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
But how much money did I give you to spend
at Pachanga?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And did you go over? I spend all of it.
It's all gone, So I would I'm gonna need you
to do some dildo ad ads on your Instagram so
that you can replenish.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Here's the thing like I would probably do with the
cockering ad that I sell so much on LTK, which,
by the way, we'll post again now because I know
everyone's gonna message me.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, you do not sell a cockering.
I don't sell I don't officially sell a cockering. It's
not an ad.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
But I talked about it on the pod with Tamra
and then every single I think every single woman in
our age range was like, what's the cock ring?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh my gosh, so you linked it?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I linked it on LTK and it's my number one
best seller, no way, yes, and it's I mean it's
like eight dollars for like sixteen cock rings.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You get them on Amazon. Oh my god, Okay, now
I'm gonna have to check it out.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, can I tell you a funny story about the
cock rings before we get into popping off?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I'm at this at a Christmas party, like a
very formal there's like an organization that my husband belongs
to that's, you know, like bougie type thing that you know,
the wives have to attend occasionally.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
And maybe I had a couple.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Margarita's and one of the wives was like talking about
her s life and I was like, well, you should
just get the cock rings and she's like what, And
I'm like, well, it really like jazz is things up
and it keeps things moving, and you know, as we
get older, it's sometimes hard to hit the moment.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, and she goes, okay, well pull it up for me.
So I went on.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Amazon and we ordered them, like we did this together,
like it was a plan.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah. Cut too.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
She gets home from Christmas break, she goes and opens
this box in front of her entire family and it's
a box full of pink cock rings and she had
zero recollection of.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Why they came. She didn't remember the conversation with you
at all. That's how memorable you are. At those fancy parties.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Teddy, I get a text from her friend and she's like,
hold on, we're dying because.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
All you know now there's all these cock rings arriving.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
She's telling me the story and she's like, you don't remember,
Teddy and you guys talking about it in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And she's like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
She's like, but why did I need to order like
eighty five of them?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's what I was going to ask. Are they are you?
Are they only like one use only, like a cor
have to throw it away?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yes, they're one use only, And yeah, I mean, who
wants to clean that and then try again?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't know. I don't know if you have to.
I'm gonna have to look at your LTK.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now listen, we'll post one when this episode airs.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
But did you have to rewatch? I did, but I
fell asleep.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, but once I started rewatching, then I started remembering
everything and started remembering how much I dislike Zach.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It came back effortlessly. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
I've Jen looks like a like a poor just woe
is me? Beaten down woman in that for this episode seven.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, so we're on episode seven. It's the Chippendale's drama continues.
Jen is crying as she talks to Zach on the phone.
He's threatening their marriage and questioning Jen's character. Zach isn't
the only husband that's upset about Chippendale's. Jin Taylor and
Mikaela all leave before the show starts because their partners

(05:02):
have an issue with it. Demi thinks it's a perfect
example of misogyny that exists within the LDS Church.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Jen tell's the girls, I love Zach so much.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't want to disappoint him.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, he's acting like she cheated on him. Yeah, and
you know, I think I think that's the way he
interprets it. Even though she didn't even go to the
actual show, all she did was walk inside the boundaries
of where this show takes place. I don't know. All

(05:35):
I know is I am Mary to Shane, who is
an active member of the LDS Church, and I have
been to thunder Down under a right up front and
he had no problem with it.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
So well, I think that there's like a big difference
between not that one is better than the other whatever,
but like going and watching a show versus like and
I'm not even I don't even care if Edwin were
to go to a strip club, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't care about that, But I do think a
strip club is different because they like it's to get
you off where.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I think Chippendale like to me.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I gotta be honest, I wasn't turned on for one
second watching any of those guys.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, I wasn't either. And you know, when we went
to the thunder Down Under show, it really is a show.
It's a Vegas show. There's a lot of women, they're screaming,
but at the end of the day, they're all on
stage and they're they're doing a show. It's not you know,
it's not like there's orgies going on in back rooms
or anything. So it doesn't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean about like having fun with your girlfriends and like, yeah,
I mean, if I was gonna think, what's more dangerous
to be at a Chippendale show watching from the stands
or the seats or whatever, versus going to a nightclub
and getting a table and getting hammered with all my girlfriends,
I would think probably more dangerous being at a nightclub

(06:59):
where you have every skeazy guy there trying to get
in your pants.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's funny. I was just gonna say that because I
was gonna say after we went to Thunder down Under.
We went to a club and we had a table
and bottle service, and guys kept coming up and we
kept trying to get rid of them. That was scarier.
At least the guys on like Thunder down Under or
Chippendale's they're controlled. They're on the stage, they do their job,
they leave, that's it.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, And honestly, to me, a lot of them seemed
like they probably weren't interested in females at all.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
No, just zero guessing by no man shaving or what's
man escaping?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
But then the Chippendale show starts and we get a
glimpse into what the girls experience. Men ripping off their shirts,
stripping down to their underwear. I love just even reading this.
Humping the air, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And some showing their bare butts.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the mom taught girls that stayed for the show
are having the time of their life. Demi got pulled
up on stage and a Chippendale placed her hands on
his butt cheeks, and then Layla was pulled up on
stage and one of the dancers was grinding on her.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wait, can can I just back up? Is Demi's husband
is LDS? Is that correct? I think so, the older
guy that's like forty six or something, the ex football player,
he is access.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't know if he's active, but I mean, I
know they met when Demi was ten in the church.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
They could have just been family friends. I don't think
they were like making out or anything. No, I'm not implying.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
That, but it's still weird to me, Like, I've known
you since I was ten, but then when I hit
twenty four, it was on and poppin'. But I'm also like, okay,
we're we're gonna judge this right here.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
But okay, wait, let me ask one more question. I
find it interesting that Taylor left.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know what I think Taylor was just like, I'm
thirty nine weeks pregnant and I'm freaking exhausted and I
don't even want to sit in this uncomfortable yea and
eat donuts.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like it was more
of a pregnancy thing than actually Dakota, because I don't
feel like he has a lot of control over her.
So I think you're right, it was probably more of
a pregnancy issue as opposed to her just you know,
bowing down and listening to him.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And I think that the Tippindale show starts at like
nine o'clock, Like, it's not like a seven, it's not
a matinee.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
No, it's way too late. I could have taken a
nap during it, if there was an intermission, I would
have taken a little nap, a little a little nappy
nap and.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Without a beverage like and being that pregnant. And you know,
I think she was just like few these other girls
are leaving now, excuse to go home and have a
magnum soda and eat some junk and listen to other
people's problems. But I don't think she really gave two
shits what Dakota.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Had to say.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
But I feel like the fact that any of these
women can pass any judgment on the ones that stayed,
but they're fine with putting fruity cereal in their vaginas, Yeah,
seems a little confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I'm still confused by the fruity. I tell you, I
feel like maybe you should do a fruity pebbles cockering
like integration and see what happens. Well, that's going to
be my next only fan. That's your homework. Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, guys. Sorry kids, I can't take you to
school this morning.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I've got a fruity pebbles experiment.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I need to do. But no, you can't have any
of them.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Let me know how it goes. Then they're back at
the airbnb. Which also, I don't really like to stay
in an airbnb in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't either. You got to stay in the casinos,
in the hotels. Why would you stay in an airbnb like? Offstrip?
How not fun?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
How zero?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I mean, I'm guessing that's where they can film, But
I mean Housewives. I've been to Vegas multiple times and
filmed Housewives and hotel rooms.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
We filmed in Vegas. We filmed at Westgate, a hotel
right on the strip. But maybe season one they were
on the cheap. Maybe, I don't know. It's those off
those houses off the strip in Vegas that remind me.
Did you ever watch the show Jigglos? Oh my god, yes,
that was, isn't it. It's such a it's such a

(11:25):
Jigglo setting.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's a Jiggleo setting and it's also did you watch
the documentary about Heidi Flies?

Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, no, that Vegas? My gosh, did you watch the
Bunny Ranch?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I did watch the Bunny Ranch. Shane was all
about the Bunny Ranch. We even met the guy, the
guy that owned the Bunny Ranch. We met him in
like Reno at a restaurant. Well, now, the woman that
runs the Bunny.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Ranch, it's it's a woman now, and she is hilarious
because I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I can't say how I know her.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's nothing salacious, but I do, and she cracks me up.
But yeah, they're back at the Airbnb. Jen and Taylor
are complaining about this trip and how shitty it's turning
out to be. Then Zach texted Jen saying I'm done.
I'm not interested in talking. I can't do.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
This anymore with you.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Meanwhile, the camera crew is filming Zach gambling at the casino, like, no, he's.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Just wasting that medical school money one ship at a time.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, and then, can you also explain to me when
Dakota's husband, I mean, when Dakota becomes good friends with
Demi's husband and calls Brett from the Vegas strip.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't get it. I don't get it either. I
don't know, but Brett clearly I don't think he had
an issue with it, right, Brett's like, I don't give
a My wife is hot and like so am I
and so am I and doing just fine. And I
just wiped the cereal from my lip and I'm glad
to go. I'm gonna toss the football later with my

(13:00):
shirt off. It's all good. It is all good.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Dakota starts to get emotional as his mind jumps to
the worst case scenarios with Taylor going to Chippendale's. Brett
gives some words of encouragement to him that seems to
revive Dakota's mood. But I'm like, if anybody should be
worried about somebody in Vegas, like if and I'm not
trying to place blame, but if somebody is a recovering addict,
I'd probably be more concerned for that. And like, she's

(13:28):
not giving him a hard time about where he is.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, and she's also like nine months pregnant, Like what
does he think she's going to do? Yeah, like what
She's probably not even wanting to bone you. She I mean,
she looks miserable, she's got like a sweat outfit on
and everyone else's dress up, like, I don't think she's
there to mingle with the guys. No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Then de Me, Jesse, Layla, and Macy arrive back at
the house after the show. They give the three girls
a recap of what missed. Jen, Taylor, and Michael seem
annoyed by the girl's excitement. They don't care how the
show went. I don't think Taylor was really annoyed. I
think Taylor was just like whatever, I've probably been to
one of these before, like it is what it is,

(14:15):
but the other ones did. At this point, Jen is
just down in the dumps.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
She's like she.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Can't even look up, she can't be bothered to move
her hair over and cover her tracks like none of them.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I know she's done. She is a broken woman. Yeah,
she is not handling it well.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And then we see that zach'sent a long text to Jen,
and from what we were able to read, so thank
you to Maddie, one of our producers who felt the
need to take a screen grab of the television so
she could capture the three seconds that.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was on.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And it says something along the lines of do you
want to read it.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Seriously, I don't want to hear one more time about
your heart. Start taking accountability for your actions and the
situations you put yourself in. You're a grown woman. Doesn't
matter your intention, you were there, and that's the image
you portray of your self, family, church, et cetera. Everyone
you represent with this platform. The fact you would have
to ask me, is he us the R word? The

(15:17):
R word? Yeah, we don't use that word. Yeah. And
it's like Jen, the fact that he's sending the text
while he's like, excuse me, he has to stop the dealer,
hold on, I got to send this text, yeah, like
hold up, let me.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
And also I'm like, are you allowed to have phone?
Like at the gambling table. I'm not a gambler, but
I do feel like.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
They don't, like they don't you have your phones?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
But also we have to also remember he is gambling
with her money and now coming after her in the
midst of all this. And it's like, if you want
to place your bet on something, Jen or Zach, it's
the flags that I see in this relationship.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, it's and the hair. I can't with his hair.
They both could use a hair makeover. Yeah. The hair.
You need to go to Jiz and get figured out.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, but I have to skip and I know that
we're gonna get more into the relationship with Zach and
Jen and what happens that, you know, when she leaves
and does everything.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But before that, can we talk about.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
What's happened as of recent with the tiktoks with Jen
and Zach?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, so are they alluding to them not being together?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, there's one TikTok where there's like they're for sure elluding,
like I forgot where we left off, and then the
other one's like you broke up or you know something
like that, and it's like we're alluding to that.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Then there's another one where it's like she's got the
ring on. Then there's another. But this is my question.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I stand, this is reality TV, it's for entertainment, it's
all these things.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
But if you are seriously in.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
A decent marriage, I'm not even saying good. If you're
in a decent marriage, you're not making joke tiktoks about it.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, that was my question. Why would you think it's
okay to make content where you're questioning your marriage like
that doesn't make sense to me. I wouldn't do that
with Shane. No, And I mean, look, I get it.
It would get a lot of views, and it would,
and it would It would create a lot of controversy
and stories. If I made content alluding to the fact

(17:41):
that Shane and I were no longer together, people would
lose their minds. But I would never do that for
the sake of just getting more followers or more likes
or whatever. And let's say they are still together.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I need to know he's more okay with her, making
reference is on TikTok and mom talk that they're over
than he is. For her to attend a Chippendale's thing, Like,
to me, that's more right degrading if that is the case.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right, Yeah, But I guess because that makes money. But
being at Shippendale's. But this is what I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I don't know how does it make money if there's
not an ad involved?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Like are they wearing a shirt that they're getting paid for? Like,
I don't know. I guess I think of it as
the more content they produce, the more followers they get,
and then when they do get AD revenue. Oh, and
I guess TikTok pays on I don't even have TikTok.
I don't know. I guess TikTok pays based on views.
It does, so does Facebook. You know, every once in

(18:47):
a while, I get like a twenty dollars check from Facebook.
Thank you Meta. Hold on, why are you please tell
me you're not one.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Of those that posts like.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Like Teresa and oh no, I don't. I'm not okay,
I am not click, I am not Lincoln Bio. That's
Vicky Lincoln Bio Gumbelson like, I don't do that stuff. No, Well,
then how are you getting paid by facebooks? I think
it's like TikTok. I think it's just based on views,
because I don't I.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Made a whole twenty bucks congratulation I've patient, yeah, I
have made about twenty eight dollars on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yess I'm not. I could not. I could now buy
some cockeries with eight dollars to spare right.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But then to me, we get into Demi thinking it's
gross that Zach would threaten Jen with divorce when she
does nothing but support him. To me, asks if Jen
and Taylor are miserable in the relationship.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Taylors of course.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Like, yes, miserable, then Jan admits she's worried that Zach
is alone with his thoughts. She won't be able to
sleep tonight unless she talks to him. Like, he's not
alone with his thoughts, he's alone with your cash spend.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, he's alone with his chips. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I mean the fact that he won't even hang out
with Dakota as another surefire sign that he is not
concerned about anything but himself. But then then we get
to the next morning, all the girls go to bed.
The next morning at the Airbnb, everyone's there except for Jen.

(20:24):
We knew Jen was going to go there. We knew, right,
would if you were in a major if you're on
a housewife trip and Shane was in the same city
and you got into a major fight with him, would
you leave the housewife House offstrip and go find him
in the hotel? No?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I would just talk a lot of shit about him
on camera in the housewife House film.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, Like, if anybody should be coming anywhere, it should
be Zach coming where the cameras are to the house,
so that we could witness the fight.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right, don't they know how this works? Like we don't
care about what happens off camera? Right?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Believe anything but Demi tells everyone that Jen left the
house at two am. She was texting Zach all night
because he wouldn't talk to her on the phone or
see her in person. Yeah, because his hand is underneath
the gambling table, texting and writes and gambling, he can't
be answering the phone that he would have to step
away from the table. But Jen had de me read

(21:29):
their entire text. That was a mistake, Jen, just so
that was.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
That was a mistake. I mean, especially when you know
the next day you're gonna be like, everything's fine, we
worked it all out. It's great. You shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
No, and when you have, especially if the if the
text message is just like you.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Hurt my feelings, this upset me, blah blah blah. But no,
it's you're disgusting. I don't love you anymore. And he
talks crap about everybody else's relationship.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, like I I don't want to be compared to
any of these assholes. So and so's a cheater, so
and so's married to a fifty year old this person's that.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
My only response I think to Zach would be at
two am if he was still harassing me after I
left the Chippendale show at nine to fifteen pm and
been texting ever since. Was like, listen, you better be
paying me back for whatever you've been gambling, asshole.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, I'm sending an invoice, I'm sending a wall request. Yeah,
vinmo request, and then I'm gonna ssue you. But I
don't get it.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna have Emily type up a legal zoom
and handleshit for me.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So excuse me. But then.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Demi claims that Zach was threatening to take the kids,
threatening to move back to his mom's house.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I'm like, oh, that's such a threat. I'm gonna go
move in with my mom. So for if Shane was
to take the kids to move in with his mom,
M'd be like, how can I help? Yes, awesome? Should
I pack your back or sounds great? See you guys
next week. I'd love a week off. Appreciate good time.

(23:11):
Thank you so much for that. I'm going to go
to my don't make me leave with the kids and
go to my mom. Don't threaten me with a good time.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right then, Jen confided into me about Zach's gambling issues.
Zach's family gave him a chuck of money to get
through medical school and he.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Blew through it.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
The fact that Zach even thinks he can negotiate any
kind of argument when we're hearing this information.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I want to know what Zach's parents think about his
gambling problem and him blowing through all his medical school
money on gambling. I want to know what they think
about it.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I also want to know if he's in medical school
right now. I really find it hard for my imagination
to It would be like if I were to say
to you, Emily, in three months I start medical school,
You'd be like, Teddy, you barely graduated high school?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Like, what don't you have to go to college first?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Don't you have to read a book? Like I can't
even read a book.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I listened to audio books, so like, I don't know,
I just don't find it feasible.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well, I'm surprised that you haven't dug deeper into that
and figured out if he's actually currently enrolled in medical
school or not.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Know what it would have taken for me to go
that level of research if he were hot.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, it's the hair. It just turns you off. Doesn't
you just care? Yeah? I can't. I'm like I can't.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, I care enough to ask you about it
because hopefully I thought you would know, or maybe one
of our producers would have written in the chat. Oh,
his mom posted he's going to med school in Arizona.
He's going, but has he gone? When does med school start? Like?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, so are they moving to Arizona? Are they gonna Well,
if he's in med school Arizona, they have to live
in Arizona. So how is she going to be a
part of mom talk now if she lives in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, it feels like she's really doubled down on her
mom Talk tiktoks and I think they've already started filming allegedly.
So my guess is he's on his own there and
maybe they're still trying to be together. But because I mean,
if she's going to have to keep paying for him
to go to this med school, she's going to need

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to keep working.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I want to know. I want to see their tax returns.
I want to know how much they're actually making from
just social media, because I don't know how you support
kids and a lifestyle and pay for your husband to
go to med school all from social media, like.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well, I also want to know what's the cost of
living in Utah versus California. Oh, well, that's not even comparable, right,
But like, what do you think, like a month it's
costing her to pay for a house to rent their kids.
I mean, their kids are too young to even go
to school, but in order to film there has to

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be there have to be paying someone to watch them
to eat too. Are we thinking five thousand a month?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Are we thinking I'd say more because I know rent
there is pretty high right now. I know it's difficult.
You can't find like a two bedroom for any less
than twenty five hundred a month.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, and they have a lot of kids. But the
fact that Zach is private and on Instagram and his
mom deleted her profile or she changed her handles that republic,
it's a pretty pretty good sign that things are askew.
But then my favorite I can't help but love Taylor.

(26:47):
Taylor on the phone with Dakota and he's upset that
she met the Chippendales and he's like, why didn't you
tell me?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
And she's like, we haven't talked. I'm telling you now.
If there was just a visual of zero age, it
would be Taylor on the phone with Dakota, and he's
just like, spot, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Tell me you met them, and blub Dakota, You're lucky.
She's even given you the time of day one time.
Count your lucky stars, right. I can't like, does it?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Doesn't it? Don't you have someone to DM, Dakota, don't
you have to get up in somebody's dms or don't
you need to play on your PlayStation? Are they together?
That's my question? Are they together still? I think they are.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I feel like if they are together, it won't be
for long. She may be just like holding out because
I mean, I love that. I've just made up in
my head that Dakota doesn't have a job, so he'll
be even though they've told us he has one.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
But I don't know if I believe that. Well, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't some some sort of job there or doing
haavers or something.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
He just drives the truck around with a box in
the back.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, moving into different girlfriend's houses. But I feel like
as soon as her baby gets a little bit older
and she's not going to need his assistance and in
that like newborn stage, she's gonna for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Be like go kick rocks da coda, because there's no
way she likes him. Yeah, I mean we don't like him.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, and we clearly have the world's best taste
in men, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Living the dream over here. Yeah, k, we can't help ourselves.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
But Macy hears the conversation and she thinks Dakota's insecurity
is stemming from a secret he's hiding, which brings it
back to the confession she received on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Which brings me back to Emily. We forgot to do this.
What do we forget?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
We forgot to do confessions and see if people actually
confide shit in us, like.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't know, oh on our own Instagram, Like yeah,
oh okay, let's do that after this. Let's do that,
Let's both do it, and that's say, what are we
making a podcast again after this one? Oh yeah, just
see you guys that.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
We're trying to figure out what show to recap after
Secret Lives of Warm Wives. We don't want to get
ourselves into another too hot to handle situations.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So yeah, if we have a.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Little break, it's because we're figuring out what show we
want to talk about. And also, let us know any
good juicy, juicy ones. We should we want to recap
Southern Charm, but it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Hello, Bravo, where Southern Charm? Where is it?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Then we get to the girls talking about Whitney and
her absence from the Girl's trip.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Were you glad that Whitney wasn't there? Did you think
it was better without her there? Or do you think
we needed a villain? I mean, Zach was definitely the villain.
I don't know if we could handle Zach and Whitney
on that trip.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
To be honest, I forgot Whitney wasn't there until they
pointed it out, until they.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Were like, oh, it's so nice, just six of us.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh, hold on, we've got some information on Dakota.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Breaking news, breaking news. Read it again. Here we go. Okay,
So Dakota. Before becoming a known and known face on TikTok,
Dakota embarked on his journey on the platform in twenty
twenty two, starting with a video captioned the only kind
of Love I Want. At this point, his creative flair
quickly caught the who wrote this his creative did? His

(30:29):
creative flair quickly caught the attention of many. Illustrated by
his quote okay, maybe just a little unquote couple skit,
which exploded in popularity, garnering more than one million views.
Beyond his social media exploits, Dakota has also ventured into
the real estate industry, where he has found success. He
owns Basin Tiling, a company operating in Idaho and Utah,

(30:53):
which marks his entrepreneurial footprint outside the digital world. Basin
Tiling has six hundred and twenty five followers and no website.
Crushing it. Crushing it, Dakota.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Rush, Dakota, slide on into my damc Yeah, making some money, honey,
Let's make.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Some content together, Dakota, since you have a creative flair
that quickly caught the attention of Mini, including us. Because
we're still talking about you know, we need to stop.
We need to stop talking.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, so we're back to Macy hasn't given up on
Whitney coming back to mom talk. She believes if Whitney
were to apologize for the things she's done, they would
forgive her.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
They're gonna forgive anybody that makes some money. They've even
forgiven Zach. I know, let's I mean, let's get over
the fact that you guys have to forgive each other
to make content, like we all know how it works.
They don't care. Yeah, they don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Listen, I would make content with about anyone if I
could support somebody going through medical school, my house, my kids,
all of it. Sure, put me in a TikTok with
whoever you want.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
We should start old mom talk.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Old old moms talk, old mom talk, old mom talk.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Who else would be in our I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
We have to have we have to be old moms
but have somewhat younger kids.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
So like, who else fits that demographic for us?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Gina, Gina, but she she as old as us. She's
forty now.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh well, welcome to the forty club, Gina. Yeah, okay,
Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
There's no one old moms with young GIRs.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I mean, I'm not sure that Dari would be interested
in old mom talking with us.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It doesn't seem like an aesthetic she'd be interested.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
No, But then to me and Jesse say they have
no interest in mending things with Whitney if she's never
going to show them.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
True friendship, I think that ship sailed. But then, but
don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Then we get to Whitney and Connor's house and Whitney
Whitney is of course.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay, wait, can I ask you a question? Is this
house doesn't it look different than the house they walked
into in the first episode. It's a different house, right.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's either a different house or maybe they live with
one of their parents at this point, because I feel
like we have seen the house, but this isn't that house.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So when they came back from Hawaiian like that first
episode and they walk into a house and are like, hey,
welcome to our new house and they pop the champagne,
I don't think that's the house that they film in
after that.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Maybe they have like a standard rule that every time
Connor changes his hair, they have to change where they live.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, that would make sense. Or grow a mustache. Connor's
eyebrows are killing me. I can't does he get them?
Are they threaded? Is it wax? Are they tattooed on?
What is going on? You just got a fresh microbe blading?
What's is that everyone's doing on their lips now too?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Like the rose tattoos, So you don't have to wear
lip gloss.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I can't. I just can't. But Connor, of course is
in on the hot tea.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
He's like, he comes into the room and he's like,
you want to talk about it? Because he spoke to
Jesse's husband. I love a Jesse's husband doesn't even get
a name. We have not either, goes honestly like, hold
a gun to my head and say what's Jesse's husband's name?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
And I'd be like, don't know. Has he even been
on camera other than the one hot tub scene for
like five seconds?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, the hot tub with the flask. That's the only
thing I know him from. Yeah. But after hearing what happened,
Whitney is so glad she didn't attend the girl's trip
because it isn't friends with these women anymore. Besides, Macey,
Whitney admits she did have fomo when she heard that
this trip was happening, but after hearing about this drama,

(34:46):
this fomo went away.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Supposedly, Yeah, she's so happy she didn't go. And she's
team Zach.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Oh, Whitney's saying she could see where Zach was coming
from because Jen's not a good friend. Is of course
the only take Whitney could have Exactly, I'm.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Like, of course you would say this. But then we're
back in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Jin is still Mia, She's not answering anyone's calls, and
the girls are starting to get worried, so they decide
to get in the pool with during a wind tunnel.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Oh was there a lot of wind? Are you kidding me?
Like during that bar.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
And they're all like their cover ups are flying off,
like what is happening? It looks like a terrible like
eight minutes in the hot tub, but this is the
second time we've put them in a precarious situation in
a hot tub where you can tell they don't want
to actually be in water, but they just can't sit
on that couch anymore.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's at the Airbnb. They're like, guys, we got to
switch up the background. You gotta get the hots up.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But Jen finally texted me. She says she was up
all night talking to Zach. It was the hardest conversation
they've ever had. I gotta say, I don't believe her
on that.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
No, you don't believe Well you think they had a
conversation or do you think she just went apologize, got
down on her knees, beg for forgiveness and that was
the end of it.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, probably that too, But I don't believe this was
the hardest conversation they ever had. I think they've probably
had multiple hard conversations, like when he squandered all of
his money from med school.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, I woulde I mean if she had a If
she don't. She seems very subservient though, so I don't
know if she ever. I mean, do you think she
said something to him about the money? Like do you
think they got in an argument. Do you think she
brought it up? Or do you think she was like,
it's okay, I'll just make more on mom talk.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I think she's like, okay, I'll just give you an
allowance for your gambling so we can't go over that amount.
And like does he not have a credit card or
an ATM card to get more money out?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Like was she did? She just hand him the cash
and she's like, this is what you get. I don't know.
I have so many questions and you don't get upset.
Do you think Zach would come on the pod? I
doubt it, but we could try.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I would sland into his DMS, but now that he's private,
it's not accessible to me.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Bummer.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
But then of course Dakota shows up to the house unannounced,
do we think Dakota just wants to be on television?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like what is he doing? I don't know. He shows
up everywhere like unannounced. He just even the photo shoot,
he shows up unannounced, and he takes his shirt off,
and he shows up at the house unannounced. He comes
to Vegas, don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I don't think he moved unannounced, right, He's just like,
here's my box in my Rubik's cube.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm here. I don't know. Do you think it's producers
pushing him into being this annoying person, or do you
think he's really just that annoying on his own with
no bush, I.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Feel like he might just be that annoying. And I
feel like he can't be by himself for a second,
which I also find as a very annoying trait in humans,
Like I like to be by myself, Like I like
to be around people, but I like my alone time.
And people that can't understand that, Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I agree. I agree. I like to do things alone too.
I don't I don't need I don't need people.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't need people constantly around me. But he goes
up to Taylor's room. They're like, he's like woo's Taylor doing?
And they're like sleeping up where she's exhausted and birthing
in four days from now and has to go on
a Vegas trip where she can't even do anything. But
he goes up to the room. Macey and Michaela stand
outside of the room to eavesdrop, like, why didn't they

(38:29):
get a cup and put their ear up to the door,
like at least do it, right, ladies.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, don't they have like a stethoscope or something. Jack's
in med school, Come on, ladies.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Dakota admits he overreacted last night and apologizes to Taylor.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
She hears this and starts to sob.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
They're seventeen days away from having their baby and their
relationship is so bad. Macy doesn't know what when she
should tell Taylor about the anonymous confession. Michael MICHAELA, you know,
she shouldn't do it tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Mikaela. Yeah. She's like, you should do it now. She's like,
you should actually barge in the room. Yeah, right now,
just get in the bed in between them and just
pull it up on your phone.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I just show the confession and then get her
on a FaceTime or actually, better yet, get her to
the airbnb, but I love that. We're finally at episode seven,
and Mikaela's like, all right, I'll.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Show up to work today.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah right, thank you, Michaela. Then the girls are going
out for their last night in Vegas. They haven't heard
from Jin, so they assume she won't be joining them
for dinner. Demi decides to call Jen while they're at
the restaurant and puts her on speaker. When Demi asks
Jen how her talk with Zach went, she says, oh,

(39:45):
things are great. It honestly was so I feel like
every time somebody has shit with their significant other and
then they want to backtrack, they say it was needed,
like this is a breaking point that we needed.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
This is her, that's the default. It was so needed,
Like it's.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Just it really helped us get stronger now so much better.
Now we're so much better than The girls are shocked.
Macey thinks it sounds like Jen has a gun to
her head. She's gone back to pretending everything's perfect. And
then after dinner, the girls plan to go bar hopping.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
But I know, I know, like I just love it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Taylor's on probation, so she's not allowed to go to
any bar, so some of them stay back.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Oh maybe that's why. Do you think that's why they
had to say in the AIRBA beat she not allowed.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh I wonder if she's a casino, you're the lawyer,
do something.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Well, I don't know, Okay, let me let me look
up casino, like do your prep work or something. Sorry,
But then Taylor.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Would like to believe it's true. But if it is,
she will leave him in a heartbeat. This is when
Macy Mikaela decided to hang back with Your Taylor aka
break the Confession news, and Macy thinks this is the
best time to tell Taylor about the confession.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Taylor, what what what would be the best time, Like
if you were going to tell a friend something like that,
what would be the best time?

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Probably before, like months before when she found out right
play on pror not?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like holding on to it for months and months and
months waiting for the right time on camera to do it.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Seventeen days before she birthed right when I don't know
was it three months ago? She says to the group.
If she finds out it is true, she's leaving him. No, no,
God forbid, give her a heads up then, So she
could leave him and get her shit in order and
he can get his box of stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
No, no, wait it out seventeen wait out better wait,
wait until she's in Vegas about to give birth and
she's not allowed to go in any of the bars
because she's on probation. That's the best time and sweats
and evorable.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And with her stocker boyfriend following her around to all
the filming.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Locations, that's the best time.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
But yeah, Taylor wants to believe it's not true, because
if it is, she will leave him in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Wait, can we just talk about the actual confession?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
The girl Jenna, right, that's her name, supposedly is she
the one that sent it? Do we know that or
we think it might be this girl named Jenna? Well,
we get into this in the next episode. Emily, Okay, sorry,
it's all blurred together. But I just like how she
said accidentally. That's my favorite part of the confession. Yeah,
you accidentally? I hate Wait, do you hate it when
you accidentally sleep with people? I hate when he accidentally

(42:32):
sticks it in? Yeah? What what? I wasn't ready for
that when I took off all.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Naked photos prior. But then Jen starts to recap her
Jen shows up. She wants to She wants everybody to know,
to know that Zach apologized and realized he was wrong.
I was like, if it's not on camera, it didn't happen.
So I don't like, yep, how did she know? How
did she know what bar they were at?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
You know what? They all track each other on mom
talk I think.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I mean maybe on snapchat you can always find people's locations.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Maybe they're also snappers.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I can't figure out how to snapchat, but if I could,
I would track where you were right now, because clearly
you're not here, but you're willing to zip on over
to LA for other people.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I am sorry, apparently sorry, I know, sorry about that.
I'm back. Sorry, I'm apologizing, like exacted, sorry, it's all
my fault.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Well, now that your besties with Shena, you can ask
her if she can follow your location, because remember she
follows all of her friends location.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
That's right, I'm going to ask her at the end.
I feel like we're gonna bond so much that I'm
gonna be she's going to be following my location. I
don't leave my house though, so it's not very exciting
or need you, I can just ask Seena where you are.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
But I also saw that Shena is besties with the
Mom Talk girls.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
She did a bunch of tiktoks with them, I know.
And if I show up to do this podcast and
she doesn't ask me to do any tiktoks, I'm gonna
feel really really bad about myself. Well, I gotta tell you.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
If you want to be doing tiktoks, you can't be
wearing a cart again.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I can't wish that I wear. No, you have to one.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
You have to wear an oversized sweatshirt with some sort
of logo on it.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Okay, and then you know what.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean, like you have to really I have to
embrace the light like that you're at home taking care
of the kids. You can't be looking like formal and
like sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
All right, Oh my gosh, Okay, Okay, I'll change before
I go. I'll downgrade.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
You got a down grade and you gotta really or
you could just wear the outfit that Whitney wore when
she when she was bringing the cake, the one with
the pussy bow.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
What what was that that she had on? But I'm
gonna find it, And where does she shop. I don't
even understand where you find these outfits.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I don't know, but I feel like we got to
figure it out when we start our old mom talk,
but hashtag old mom talk, old mom talk, old mom talk.
We wear cardigans and baseball caps and what is what
is the our other aesthetics that we do for old moms.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, we take naps in between content. Oh yeah, naps. Okay,
now we have to do it. I could visualize it.
I could visualize this is this, this TikTok, this real
that we're gonna make.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's getting annoyed when our kids come in our room
after we've personally gone to bed, like I'll put Dub
to bed, but then if I put Cruise in slaves bed,
and then if they want to come in to talk
to me, and it's like after eight forty, I'm.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like, what I do the same thing? Annabelt does it.
I'm like, get out, why are you in here? Leave
me alone? We already did all of this, Like this
is my alone talk.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm trying to figure out this murder on the television
and I can't have you interrupting it. Or now old
moms also watch outer Banks because I'm watching that now,
I've already watched.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Have you watched season four already? No? Not that I
got okay, it was season four. I've done one storgery,
all right, all.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Right, Well, anyways, Jen starts to recap her fight with Zach,
and she says things like, Zach has these narcissistic qualities
that will come out every few months, but who's to
say in another marriage that won't be the same thing.
I truly feel like I've never met someone who loves
me more than him.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
She said that, because that's what he says to her.
No one will ever love you like I do. Oh,
that's such.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
But then, to me brings up a great point. Jen
got married at twenty.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
But I love it. Then I read it, and then
I realized that shady ass.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, DEMI brings up a point. Jen got married at
twenty before her brain fully developed.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
She doesn't know what else is out there for her.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Jesse is very passionate about Jen's situation because she went
through something similar with her ex husband. And then Jesse's
at a point where she never wants to be in
the same room with Zach again. Jen starts sobbing because
it's hard to talk about all of this.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That is hard because you know, she just had a
conversation with Zach where she just like smoothed everything over
and said everything that he needed to hear. And then
she steps into a situation with her girlfriends where they
give her a big dosa reality.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
And then she has to figure out more fibbs to
try to make it seem like this was a normal
interaction even though we all saw the text. But this
leads us into the finale. So thank you guys for
tuning in to episode seven of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Stay tuned for old mom talk coming sometime in the

(47:54):
near future.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Then we'll be back next week to recap episode eight.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
M m mm hmm.