February 5, 2025 • 18 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay sits down with Philadelphia Eagles Superstar Tackle Lane Johnson who will be playing in his third Super Bowl this coming Sunday in New Orleans. Lane shares how this SB appearance differs from the other two, the advice he’s given to the new guys on how to deal with all the weeklong distractions, and his favorite funny moment from the big game. Lane also talks about his anxiety and explains the rituals he uses to get the roommates in his head to talk nicely to each other, especially on gameday.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Jay Glazer.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Joining me is a man who has quite a busy
week I had him here, but also one of my
first friends in this league who really made a difference
when it comes to mental health. He is my battle buddy. Hell,
he lived with me for about five months with my
son and I. He was one of the first guys
who really took on our mich Marslat's training program to heart.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'd have to change his life and he's changed mine
as well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The all world right tackle for the Philadelphi Eagles, Lane Johnson.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How are we doing, big boy?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man? Doing good?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh? Yes, quite a busy week in a busy one
coming up, but yeah man, thankful, time's going fast and
uh yes it's spending five ride.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So third one crazy?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How this one different from the other two? Like now
that you what you know?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, every team's different. I just feel like, uh, not the.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Team, just the experience, Like how are you able to
better prepare because you've we advented twice?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I mean I just trade as another game. I don't
make it more than what it is. And so yeah, really,
I mean, I mean a lot of it comes down
to a lot of factors, Like staying healthy is one
of them. And but I just feel like we're close
on and off the field, and all that stuff translates to, uh,
you know what's happening on the field?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Is there stuff though that you learned?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But obviously you know, finding for the new guys, like
what advice do you give them about Hey, when this
comes up?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
How do you make it just another game?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, you just got to stay in the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I think a lot of what athletes do is overthink
and over analyze, and so when you do that, you
don't play as fast. You're not reacting as fast. So
you know, that's really one of them. And you know
a lot of it's staying focused and you got to
practice stay in the moment and stay in the present
because you know, a lot of what we do is
(02:04):
you know, dealing with distraction. So that's the biggest thing
that don't make the situation bigger than what it is
a lot of distractions.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Down there, right, there's a lot of you let it
become a distraction.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's easy for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, it's easy to attackle and you don't have to
play quarterbacks or roundabout.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
What so again, you know I've said a couple of things. One,
you're my battle buddy, the mm A. It's funny because
the unbreakable mindset for us used to be, right, Lene,
I used to tell you and all, I got a rule, right,
no putting your hands on your hips, neutral face, neutral face,
don't show that we're hurt. Don't show that we're hurt,
and we need that in football and fighting. Now we
have a different unbreakable mindset right outside those white lines
(02:44):
are outside that cage. We got to open up. We
got to show that we're hurt, and we got to
show that we're well, that the things are bothering us.
You know, let's dive into that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, well, it's really going for being a robot slash
animal to a human.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
The human again, So that's surely what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And it's hard to turn that on and off when
a lot of your friends or whoever you hang out with,
or alpha males and a deer there in a different
line of work.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So you know, it's just diver from that aspect, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, it was interesting though, because like the I'll never
forget what we go back to our first workout, you
threw up play eight times just to hip them up right,
and I thought that's just because being randy coatur are
wearing you out. And then it comes to find out
it's not really that's your anxiety which gets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Not to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, a little bit of both. Yeah, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Take credit for the first part of it, right.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, Well, just what I was saying is a lot
of it's goes down over thinking things and making stuff
worse than what it actually is. So, you know, I
think a big quote is people suffer more and is
in their heads and what they do in reality.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know, So how much your life changed since we've
started coming out and talking about this, just as.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Far as what's yet, I think it you know, allowed
me to help a lot of other people as well
as help myself. But you know, with anything, I just
think it's made the conversation a lot easier and people
being vulnerable on themselves and so, you know, I think
that's the most important thing is that it doesn't feel
forced and it's not fake. And yeah, I mean definitely
(04:19):
wouldn't like that. Ten years ago when I first got
in the league, you know, it was you know, a
lot different.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean just the I mean, hell, I came
into a future last week with playing and he and
I got together a little work out, a little so on,
and I told him and to talk like, dam man,
I'm struggling because I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just I'm worn down and tired.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And you know, we were trading partners, but we didn't
know we had that until now, and it's just that
helped me so much. And that's what I'm saying, like
these things were able to lift each other up now
that we just didn't know we had five years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, it was really Uh, I don't know, you left
fear and those emotions that you feel really consume you
and dominate your lifestyle or your life. And it's like
and those come up in any time, and so you
feel like you're you don't have any control of anything,
and so I want you to flip that around, you know,
then then you control everything.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Tell people heard how much you still go through it,
because I want people to understand there's something we work on,
but it's not like we don't know what, but just
how we head.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, yeah, just game game days are rough on me.
Every every everything else is usually pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Game days are just mornings nausea. Just uh, confidence is low,
and I don't know, I just feel like it's not luck.
There's not a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The first stats for us are usually negative like pressures, hurries, sacks.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So uh, but like.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I said once, I once, I have to deal with
emotions and over overcome that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I just really get out there and try not to think.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I really try to rely on my training and like
my habits, and so whenever pressure is applied, all that
stuff comes out and it's nothing, you know, nothing that
I have to think about. And after all these years,
it's really you know nothing thinking about a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're okay, if I could tell the world that,
like look what I tell you on game deck, Yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So Lane calls me when he's going through it, which
is again this is like that's your honor, that's your battle, buddy, right,
there's no no one's questioning our manhoods and we're going
through we call each other and he'll call me on
game damn when it's going rough, and this year, I'm like, here, bro,
that just means you get to put your armor on.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That means if you're starting to feel that anxiety, you're
starting to throw up, you getting that nose here, Fuck,
it's motherfucker. You get to go fight and you put
that armor on. It's you gotta use it. You got
to weaponize. You gotta kind of make it your superpower.
And these are conversations that are man, there's way more
powerful than anything we.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Ever could have.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, and I think a lot of it is too,
Like once you played a certain standard, you feel like
personally and professionally you have to meet that standard every
year and anything that may be short of that is
considered a failure. So you know, I think for you know,
athletes that have that mindset, they can be hard on
themselves some buns. But like I said, I think it's
(07:01):
also what makes an individual different than than the rest.
So once you learn to control it and use it,
you know to your advantage.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, it goes completely the other way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We also told you too, like look, you've trained with
Randy Gator and Chuckle Deeligether and these guys knock each
other out I'm like, no one looks at them and
judges their career by one knockout and one law.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Same for you.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's like, hey man, your body you work is Your
body work is not whether you have a good game
or not. It's not whether you have a good series
or not, not whether you have a good play. It's
your body work. And that's I think one of the
biggest challenges we have. It's to convince you and other
guys have it's your body of work. It doesn't come
down on one player that game.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yes, that and just you know, letting others define you
in general, I think is a big problem. A lot
of people use external resources for you know, internal gratification
and I already good quote other days for as Selvish
as we are, and as much as we care about ourselves,
we care about what others think a lot more, which
is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I just think a lot of people are older, they'll
realize how much time they wasted morey in wasting time, I.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Would just put a couple of Fight teammates two weeks ago,
Mark Kerr Couture, Alec Carroll Lexis, who was on the
first Fighter of the Ultimate first, he's the ultimate fighter.
And Alex said, hey, man, the whole stix and stones thing,
they get it backwards like sticks and stones won't break
behind the bones.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But words fucking hurt us.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, that's fucking fantastic, it does. That's how we are.
Like shit, physical paid is nothing to us, but somebody
says about its man, we're sensitive or we see on Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
You know, yeah, emotionally and yeah, I guess when everything's
like in the public eye too, and that can also
amplified things too. I don't know, it can be a
frustrating process, but I've learned with I guess with age
to handle it more with grace and talk and communicate
it instead of, you know, letting it turn into something.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What are some of the things you do to coop now?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I mean a lot for me is uh, you know,
we train concentration grands to do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
On game day.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I do a lot of Sudoku on game day. Don't
really listen to music anymore. I mean, we have it
in the locker room, but I just try to save
my mind, you know, pretty pretty relaxed, focused, but relaxed.
And then when I get to the game. I I
trying to thank too much, you know, I know what
to do. We I mean, all we do is do
walk throughs and and then go play, you know, game
(09:34):
after game, season after season.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So with all the experience, you know, but it goes
down to communication.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Uh, and every game is different, but a big part
of its communication and being able to adapt because sometimes
your game plan didn't match you know, what they have
on the field, and you have to adjust.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So beside from football, what do you do to cook?
So I learned the journal from you. You're the one
who told me. Yeah, because again we start talking about
this five years ago whatever, I was still learning shit.
Also now I know how to do breath with working
meditation and a gratitude list, and you know, I'll do
a cold plunge and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'll work out. I do all this stuff before I
look at my phone. What are some of.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Your rituals to get you to get to get the
roommates in your head to talk nice to each other
each day?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah? Well, I think is getting away from the phones.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Anything to do with me outside or in nature, usually
by a body of water usually or somewhere where I
like to go. But yeah, for me is really getting
off the phone and just just being content, you know,
really and not having to feel like I have to
be somewhere, you know, or have to be doing something.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Is your anxiety caused more by a fear of what's
about to happen or stuff that happened in the best.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
No, My my fear is that I have to be
perfect against somebody that has to rush forty times against me,
and I have to ever lose, and I'm on the
island the most. They don't help me at all with
guards or any tight ends or running backs jobs retally
the hardest in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Because you're that good. Yes, so it's kind of a
double edged sword.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah well yeah, well, like I said, that did help
you off, they're helping you. Yeah, well, like I said that,
the upside is the money outside is is Bisically, Hey,
you have to go against another team's alpha male and
uh they're trying to run over you or through you,
around you whatever they got to do. So but you know,
(11:27):
it's a battle. It is what it is, and it's
uh yeah, I mean I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
What's the funnest part about Super Bowl Week?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh, just enjoying it with the teammates, everybody else has
different reactions and emotions. But uh, you know, knowing that
the season is is finally uh here to this last
week is you know, something to celebrate in itself before
it kicks off?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Is the game is amp you up or like a
letdown of like because there's so much other stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I know, it's uh, I think it's a great wig.
I think it's a great you know experience for the
fans and families. And yeah, by game time it's like, yeah,
we're ready to play. It's you know, we've we've done
their duties. Let's get down the business.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You have a funny Super Bowl moment where you're standing
there one of the other games and you saw someone
famous for somebody in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You're like, oh.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Shit, trying to think super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I saw Kevin Hart running through the crowd, and
I think you want to go stats the super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, it's pretty wild man.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And this is is this our second or is our
second two Bowl we've done together?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, same team last time.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I want to get kind of just on this thing
again about our mental health.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's not just depressing anxiety, right, mental health that six
inches in between years also leads to greatness.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So you know, I changed this for Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And one of the things about being great is find
out who the best is and do more than them
over and over and over and over. That's one of
the things when I first met you, You're like, hey,
I'm I could do something different. But every year I
want you to explain to people. You don't just sit
and say, Okay, this works for me last year. You
always build. You always keep adding stuff each year. Who
taught that to you? And explain a little bit about
(13:19):
that people, because that's really the that's how you become
great by always trying to get better every year.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, it's really like an internal scouting. I mean you
kind of find you know, everybody, every player has their
things that they're great at, and they have some things
that they may be the fishing or not as good at.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So everybody has things to attack.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so as you get older, people get more stiff,
the mobility decreases.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So work a lot on mad and then work a
lot in.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, some moving, some waiting, some you know, two
or three lifts that I think are functional for football,
and then yeah, I mean I do that usually five
days a week. During the off season throughout the year,
I do all day cass, but I make sure that
the gym is there and that you know I'm doing
what I'm so sweet doing. But I think you know,
(14:06):
listen to your body is one thing, and then you know,
as you get older and and just yeah, I think
it's worked well. But what the first thing to do
is you know, trying to tack your weaknesses and you know,
stay consistent with that.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But it's not just you know, getting stronger till so
how you rehab better, how you sleep better, how you
eat better. Every year you come up with something else,
every every else is No, it's not just about you
lift and you've figured it out too. There's more recovery.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Something else I could do for recovery, breathing, breath work, sleeping, eating, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, I mean a lot of like just stress control,
the breath works, some of the best love the sauna,
love the cold punge, and that's kind of part of
you know, the routine now. But yeah, I mean, I
think the thing is it's not it's not sexy, it's
not cool, but it's being consistent with it. And that's
what you find, you know, as as the time goes on.
(14:58):
Some people stay on the trained with it, or some
people hop off.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So tell everybody what you learned from me and doing
the MMA stuff being ran in Chuck.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean, you just gotta it's all about learning
new techniques and they're there to help you, but really
about you know, fighting, and you know stuff's just gonna
go bad, and you know you may throw up a
few times and not feel very good about yourself. But
as the days go on, you start getting better and
you improve, and you know you're not the same person
(15:27):
you were. You know, a few weeks from when you started,
you start changing.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, look, we told you when you come in then
we're gonna change. Tell you, man, you follow us, we'll
change your grandkids' lives.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Be the hardest.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We'll make football easy, but you make it a fight, right,
you don't see that you're hurt as we start wearing
them now. But we work on your hands, we'll work
on your hips more than make you violent when we
make it a fight every fucking play. And that's what
you gotta do football, We're gonna do fighting. That's what
you gotta do in life. But most people just they're
gonna want to type out most people don't sign up
for a fight.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They sign up for a business or a sport or
a game, not a fight.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, people need to talk to themselves more than they
listen to themselves, So try that a little bit, sir,
explain that, Uh, talk to yourself is come on, you
can do this instead of listening to your h the
good Wolf, Bad Wolf.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I like that a lot. Give me the again.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Since you've come out and talked about method, they got
one or two questions left for you. How many players
come up to like does it happened often? So guys
come up to during the game, before games, just like
thanking you for making okay for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Us to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yes, usually uh like after games. Uh, usually when we
have time to talk, which is probably the coolest thing.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So you know it's happened numerous times, and you know
we exchange numbers or you know, uh talk a lot
act of the game, but really kind of build a
connection from the game after that, so.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You pride yourself for this.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, you know, I think it's it's helped me, and
it's it's helped others, and I think it's you That's
ultimately what it's about.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I think it's authentic. So which is you know
all I care about.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
People always say to me, yeah, you're so courageous by
opening up, and I don't view it that way.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I just I know how you do. Like I never
saw it courageous.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'm just like, hey, man, if I could be a
service someone, Ye, I'm fucked up and I'm learning to
be good my fucked up and that's if you canna
help you, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Do you feel what's what's your thought? How does it
make you feel when someone says it to you?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, we all talk abub well better able to communicate
myself and uh you know it slopped me to change
and to you know, grow to the person I want
to become and not let any setbacks or any fear
or anything that I have.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In front of me set me back. So that's really
what it's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
All right, brother.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I appreciate you joining us, man. I know we're a
little brevia here super Bowl week. Love you, dude, love
everything that. Appreciate you leaning into me on those those
hard days, on Sundays and every day. Because when you
lean into me, dude, even though you're trying to get
help for you.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It lifts me up to me to be your brother,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Tides raised, raised all the boats. That's how we go on.
I love you too, Love.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You brother, good luck this week. I'll see you down there.
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Jay Glazer.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Joining me is a man who has quite a busy
week I had him here, but also one of my
first friends in this league who really made a difference
when it comes to mental health. He is my battle buddy. Hell,
he lived with me for about five months with my
son and I. He was one of the first guys
who really took on our mich Marslat's training program to heart.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'd have to change his life and he's changed mine
as well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The all world right tackle for the Philadelphi Eagles, Lane Johnson.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How are we doing, big boy?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man? Doing good?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Uh? Yes, quite a busy week in a busy one
coming up, but yeah man, thankful, time's going fast and
uh yes it's spending five ride.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So third one crazy?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How this one different from the other two? Like now
that you what you know?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, every team's different. I just feel like, uh, not the.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Team, just the experience, Like how are you able to
better prepare because you've we advented twice?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I mean I just trade as another game. I don't
make it more than what it is. And so yeah, really,
I mean, I mean a lot of it comes down
to a lot of factors, Like staying healthy is one
of them. And but I just feel like we're close
on and off the field, and all that stuff translates to, uh,
you know what's happening on the field?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Is there stuff though that you learned?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But obviously you know, finding for the new guys, like
what advice do you give them about Hey, when this
comes up?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
How do you make it just another game?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, you just got to stay in the moment.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I think a lot of what athletes do is overthink
and over analyze, and so when you do that, you
don't play as fast. You're not reacting as fast. So
you know, that's really one of them. And you know
a lot of it's staying focused and you got to
practice stay in the moment and stay in the present
because you know, a lot of what we do is
(02:04):
you know, dealing with distraction. So that's the biggest thing
that don't make the situation bigger than what it is
a lot of distractions.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Down there, right, there's a lot of you let it
become a distraction.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's easy for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, it's easy to attackle and you don't have to
play quarterbacks or roundabout.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
What so again, you know I've said a couple of things. One,
you're my battle buddy, the mm A. It's funny because
the unbreakable mindset for us used to be, right, Lene,
I used to tell you and all, I got a rule, right,
no putting your hands on your hips, neutral face, neutral face,
don't show that we're hurt. Don't show that we're hurt,
and we need that in football and fighting. Now we
have a different unbreakable mindset right outside those white lines
(02:44):
are outside that cage. We got to open up. We
got to show that we're hurt, and we got to
show that we're well, that the things are bothering us.
You know, let's dive into that a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, well, it's really going for being a robot slash
animal to a human.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
The human again, So that's surely what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And it's hard to turn that on and off when
a lot of your friends or whoever you hang out with,
or alpha males and a deer there in a different
line of work.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So you know, it's just diver from that aspect, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, it was interesting though, because like the I'll never
forget what we go back to our first workout, you
threw up play eight times just to hip them up right,
and I thought that's just because being randy coatur are
wearing you out. And then it comes to find out
it's not really that's your anxiety which gets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Not to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, a little bit of both. Yeah, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Take credit for the first part of it, right.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, Well, just what I was saying is a lot
of it's goes down over thinking things and making stuff
worse than what it actually is. So, you know, I
think a big quote is people suffer more and is
in their heads and what they do in reality.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You know, So how much your life changed since we've
started coming out and talking about this, just as.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Far as what's yet, I think it you know, allowed
me to help a lot of other people as well
as help myself. But you know, with anything, I just
think it's made the conversation a lot easier and people
being vulnerable on themselves and so, you know, I think
that's the most important thing is that it doesn't feel
forced and it's not fake. And yeah, I mean definitely
(04:19):
wouldn't like that. Ten years ago when I first got
in the league, you know, it was you know, a
lot different.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean just the I mean, hell, I came
into a future last week with playing and he and
I got together a little work out, a little so on,
and I told him and to talk like, dam man,
I'm struggling because I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just I'm worn down and tired.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And you know, we were trading partners, but we didn't
know we had that until now, and it's just that
helped me so much. And that's what I'm saying, like
these things were able to lift each other up now
that we just didn't know we had five years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, it was really Uh, I don't know, you left
fear and those emotions that you feel really consume you
and dominate your lifestyle or your life. And it's like
and those come up in any time, and so you
feel like you're you don't have any control of anything,
and so I want you to flip that around, you know,
then then you control everything.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Tell people heard how much you still go through it,
because I want people to understand there's something we work on,
but it's not like we don't know what, but just
how we head.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, yeah, just game game days are rough on me.
Every every everything else is usually pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Game days are just mornings nausea. Just uh, confidence is low,
and I don't know, I just feel like it's not luck.
There's not a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
The first stats for us are usually negative like pressures, hurries, sacks.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So uh, but like.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I said once, I once, I have to deal with
emotions and over overcome that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I just really get out there and try not to think.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I really try to rely on my training and like
my habits, and so whenever pressure is applied, all that
stuff comes out and it's nothing, you know, nothing that
I have to think about. And after all these years,
it's really you know nothing thinking about a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're okay, if I could tell the world that,
like look what I tell you on game deck, Yeah okay.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So Lane calls me when he's going through it, which
is again this is like that's your honor, that's your battle, buddy, right,
there's no no one's questioning our manhoods and we're going
through we call each other and he'll call me on
game damn when it's going rough, and this year, I'm like, here, bro,
that just means you get to put your armor on.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That means if you're starting to feel that anxiety, you're
starting to throw up, you getting that nose here, Fuck,
it's motherfucker. You get to go fight and you put
that armor on. It's you gotta use it. You got
to weaponize. You gotta kind of make it your superpower.
And these are conversations that are man, there's way more
powerful than anything we.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Ever could have.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, and I think a lot of it is too,
Like once you played a certain standard, you feel like
personally and professionally you have to meet that standard every
year and anything that may be short of that is
considered a failure. So you know, I think for you know,
athletes that have that mindset, they can be hard on
themselves some buns. But like I said, I think it's
(07:01):
also what makes an individual different than than the rest.
So once you learn to control it and use it,
you know to your advantage.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, it goes completely the other way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We also told you too, like look, you've trained with
Randy Gator and Chuckle Deeligether and these guys knock each
other out I'm like, no one looks at them and
judges their career by one knockout and one law.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Same for you.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's like, hey man, your body you work is Your
body work is not whether you have a good game
or not. It's not whether you have a good series
or not, not whether you have a good play. It's
your body work. And that's I think one of the
biggest challenges we have. It's to convince you and other
guys have it's your body of work. It doesn't come
down on one player that game.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yes, that and just you know, letting others define you
in general, I think is a big problem. A lot
of people use external resources for you know, internal gratification
and I already good quote other days for as Selvish
as we are, and as much as we care about ourselves,
we care about what others think a lot more, which
is insane.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I just think a lot of people are older, they'll
realize how much time they wasted morey in wasting time, I.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Would just put a couple of Fight teammates two weeks ago,
Mark Kerr Couture, Alec Carroll Lexis, who was on the
first Fighter of the Ultimate first, he's the ultimate fighter.
And Alex said, hey, man, the whole stix and stones thing,
they get it backwards like sticks and stones won't break
behind the bones.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But words fucking hurt us.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, that's fucking fantastic, it does. That's how we are.
Like shit, physical paid is nothing to us, but somebody
says about its man, we're sensitive or we see on Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
You know, yeah, emotionally and yeah, I guess when everything's
like in the public eye too, and that can also
amplified things too. I don't know, it can be a
frustrating process, but I've learned with I guess with age
to handle it more with grace and talk and communicate
it instead of, you know, letting it turn into something.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What are some of the things you do to coop now?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I mean a lot for me is uh, you know,
we train concentration grands to do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
On game day.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I do a lot of Sudoku on game day. Don't
really listen to music anymore. I mean, we have it
in the locker room, but I just try to save
my mind, you know, pretty pretty relaxed, focused, but relaxed.
And then when I get to the game. I I
trying to thank too much, you know, I know what
to do. We I mean, all we do is do
walk throughs and and then go play, you know, game
(09:34):
after game, season after season.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So with all the experience, you know, but it goes
down to communication.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Uh, and every game is different, but a big part
of its communication and being able to adapt because sometimes
your game plan didn't match you know, what they have
on the field, and you have to adjust.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So beside from football, what do you do to cook?
So I learned the journal from you. You're the one
who told me. Yeah, because again we start talking about
this five years ago whatever, I was still learning shit.
Also now I know how to do breath with working
meditation and a gratitude list, and you know, I'll do
a cold plunge and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'll work out. I do all this stuff before I
look at my phone. What are some of.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Your rituals to get you to get to get the
roommates in your head to talk nice to each other
each day?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah? Well, I think is getting away from the phones.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Anything to do with me outside or in nature, usually
by a body of water usually or somewhere where I
like to go. But yeah, for me is really getting
off the phone and just just being content, you know,
really and not having to feel like I have to
be somewhere, you know, or have to be doing something.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Is your anxiety caused more by a fear of what's
about to happen or stuff that happened in the best.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
No, My my fear is that I have to be
perfect against somebody that has to rush forty times against me,
and I have to ever lose, and I'm on the
island the most. They don't help me at all with
guards or any tight ends or running backs jobs retally
the hardest in the league.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Because you're that good. Yes, so it's kind of a
double edged sword.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah well yeah, well, like I said, that did help
you off, they're helping you. Yeah, well, like I said that,
the upside is the money outside is is Bisically, Hey,
you have to go against another team's alpha male and
uh they're trying to run over you or through you,
around you whatever they got to do. So but you know,
(11:27):
it's a battle. It is what it is, and it's
uh yeah, I mean I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
What's the funnest part about Super Bowl Week?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Uh, just enjoying it with the teammates, everybody else has
different reactions and emotions. But uh, you know, knowing that
the season is is finally uh here to this last
week is you know, something to celebrate in itself before
it kicks off?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Is the game is amp you up or like a
letdown of like because there's so much other stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I know, it's uh, I think it's a great wig.
I think it's a great you know experience for the
fans and families. And yeah, by game time it's like, yeah,
we're ready to play. It's you know, we've we've done
their duties. Let's get down the business.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You have a funny Super Bowl moment where you're standing
there one of the other games and you saw someone
famous for somebody in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You're like, oh.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Shit, trying to think super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I saw Kevin Hart running through the crowd, and
I think you want to go stats the super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, it's pretty wild man.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And this is is this our second or is our
second two Bowl we've done together?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, same team last time.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I want to get kind of just on this thing
again about our mental health.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's not just depressing anxiety, right, mental health that six
inches in between years also leads to greatness.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So you know, I changed this for Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And one of the things about being great is find
out who the best is and do more than them
over and over and over and over. That's one of
the things when I first met you, You're like, hey,
I'm I could do something different. But every year I
want you to explain to people. You don't just sit
and say, Okay, this works for me last year. You
always build. You always keep adding stuff each year. Who
taught that to you? And explain a little bit about
(13:19):
that people, because that's really the that's how you become
great by always trying to get better every year.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, it's really like an internal scouting. I mean you
kind of find you know, everybody, every player has their
things that they're great at, and they have some things
that they may be the fishing or not as good at.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
So everybody has things to attack.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so as you get older, people get more stiff,
the mobility decreases.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So work a lot on mad and then work a
lot in.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
You know, some moving, some waiting, some you know, two
or three lifts that I think are functional for football,
and then yeah, I mean I do that usually five
days a week. During the off season throughout the year,
I do all day cass, but I make sure that
the gym is there and that you know I'm doing
what I'm so sweet doing. But I think you know,
(14:06):
listen to your body is one thing, and then you know,
as you get older and and just yeah, I think
it's worked well. But what the first thing to do
is you know, trying to tack your weaknesses and you know,
stay consistent with that.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But it's not just you know, getting stronger till so
how you rehab better, how you sleep better, how you
eat better. Every year you come up with something else,
every every else is No, it's not just about you
lift and you've figured it out too. There's more recovery.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Something else I could do for recovery, breathing, breath work, sleeping, eating, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, I mean a lot of like just stress control,
the breath works, some of the best love the sauna,
love the cold punge, and that's kind of part of
you know, the routine now. But yeah, I mean, I
think the thing is it's not it's not sexy, it's
not cool, but it's being consistent with it. And that's
what you find, you know, as as the time goes on.
(14:58):
Some people stay on the trained with it, or some
people hop off.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So tell everybody what you learned from me and doing
the MMA stuff being ran in Chuck.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean, you just gotta it's all about learning
new techniques and they're there to help you, but really
about you know, fighting, and you know stuff's just gonna
go bad, and you know you may throw up a
few times and not feel very good about yourself. But
as the days go on, you start getting better and
you improve, and you know you're not the same person
(15:27):
you were. You know, a few weeks from when you started,
you start changing.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, look, we told you when you come in then
we're gonna change. Tell you, man, you follow us, we'll
change your grandkids' lives.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Be the hardest.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We'll make football easy, but you make it a fight, right,
you don't see that you're hurt as we start wearing
them now. But we work on your hands, we'll work
on your hips more than make you violent when we
make it a fight every fucking play. And that's what
you gotta do football, We're gonna do fighting. That's what
you gotta do in life. But most people just they're
gonna want to type out most people don't sign up
for a fight.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They sign up for a business or a sport or
a game, not a fight.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, people need to talk to themselves more than they
listen to themselves, So try that a little bit, sir,
explain that, Uh, talk to yourself is come on, you
can do this instead of listening to your h the
good Wolf, Bad Wolf.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I like that a lot. Give me the again.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Since you've come out and talked about method, they got
one or two questions left for you. How many players
come up to like does it happened often? So guys
come up to during the game, before games, just like
thanking you for making okay for.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Us to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yes, usually uh like after games. Uh, usually when we
have time to talk, which is probably the coolest thing.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So you know it's happened numerous times, and you know
we exchange numbers or you know, uh talk a lot
act of the game, but really kind of build a
connection from the game after that, so.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You pride yourself for this.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, you know, I think it's it's helped me, and
it's it's helped others, and I think it's you That's
ultimately what it's about.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I think it's authentic. So which is you know
all I care about.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
People always say to me, yeah, you're so courageous by
opening up, and I don't view it that way.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I just I know how you do. Like I never
saw it courageous.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I'm just like, hey, man, if I could be a
service someone, Ye, I'm fucked up and I'm learning to
be good my fucked up and that's if you canna
help you, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Do you feel what's what's your thought? How does it
make you feel when someone says it to you?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, we all talk abub well better able to communicate
myself and uh you know it slopped me to change
and to you know, grow to the person I want
to become and not let any setbacks or any fear
or anything that I have.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In front of me set me back. So that's really
what it's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
All right, brother.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I appreciate you joining us, man. I know we're a
little brevia here super Bowl week. Love you, dude, love
everything that. Appreciate you leaning into me on those those
hard days, on Sundays and every day. Because when you
lean into me, dude, even though you're trying to get
help for you.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It lifts me up to me to be your brother,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Tides raised, raised all the boats. That's how we go on.
I love you too, Love.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You brother, good luck this week. I'll see you down there.
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Jay Glazer
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