April 16, 2025 • 32 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay goes inside the huddle with football royalty, the one and only Eddie George. Eddie shares how the Bowling Green head coaching job came about. Plus, how the interview with the Chicago Bears prepared him for this opportunity. You want to be a sponge and soak up all the mental wealth knowledge he is dropping!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast
build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome into Unbreakable, the Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer, and man, I am proud too have
a return guest, one of my best friends on the
planet but also a coaching star on the rise. Last
time we talked to him, he was the head coach
at Tennessee State. Now we're talking to him. He's the
head coach at Bowling Green. One of the best running
backs to ever play. My dude, Eddie George, how everybody,
(00:37):
Miss Booker?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, I'm doing great, man, Miss Booker?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Which the word?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What's the word?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Seeing you? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Great? Seeing you buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And man, you and I well we talked obviously when
you were going to interview for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
First of all, I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Don't even like we haven't We didn't dive into this.
How did Bullgreen come about? How quickly did it come about?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What was crazy? Man? And when I saw you in Indie,
just up there for the Tennessee State and just doing
my rounds is meeting people, networking and all that. That
night I think I saw across the ticker, Bowling green
head coach takes the Philadelphia Eagle job.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Right, I saw you get the combine.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Saying at the desk, all this so happened to combine
right after, So it's something about you.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm pretty much for your life, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So I look at the ticker and I say, man,
that's a messed up situation. I said, I would hate
to be that in that situation because of the timing,
you know, two weeks before camp, the two weeks before
springball starts. And I was like, man, they got they
gotta have an issue with that. So next morning, I'm
driving back home and it's about a you know, three
(01:49):
hour driver, so beautiful drive back, and I'm just contemplating, like, man, okay,
you know, I'm going to the last year of my deal,
and you know, I'm hoptimistic at things you want to
work out at Tennessee State and thinking about my team,
and I'm like, you know, God's what's going to be
next for me? You know it is? You know, I
had interview for the Bear's job and so forth, and
I was intrigued by that and I was like, Okay,
(02:11):
what's next. And about ten minutes later, I'm driving through
Bowling Green, Kentucky. I see a sign Bowling Green, Kentucky,
and I'm looking down on my dashboard it said urban
Meyer text mess for Urban Meyer. I was like, okay, interesting.
I looked at the text and it says, hey, would
you be interested in the Bowling Green job. I'm like,
(02:34):
oh boy. In immediately I'm like, oh god, that sounds
like a tough situation because of the timing and all
of that. Long story short, I call Urban We talked.
The guy from a DHR, Glenn Sujianmi calls me and
tells me that hey, I want you to you should
really look into this job. And I'm like, well, the
(02:55):
timing and all says, well, hey, just just look into it.
Seems like a good fit you ohioh blah blah blah blah.
So go home and discuss it with my wife. She
seems like she was on board. And then I said, hey,
let me just you know, secretly, just talk about it
in the background. Let me have this conversation, let me
talk have the interview, because I didn't want it to
be out there that hey, you know, I'm searching for
(03:17):
a job. I mean, I don't want to lose my team.
So I go through that process really well on my
way to Arizona for a retreat. That weekend. I fly
out to Arizona, which was another adventure. I get there,
I get a two hour massage. Then I get a
call saying, hey, he wants you to come interview in
person with the president. The a d if you.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Massage time out?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It was, it was, it's in Tucson. It's a legitimate spot.
Stop with see your mind, you're sick. Here you go
with all.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The the dag on uh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Investigatory is a legitimate massage by a professional?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I'm just asking. I'm just making an observation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's not. It's not the kind that you get, all right,
the thirty minute ones.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But I go to a Z and I go to
Detroit and I interview, and it was like fast and
furious at that point, and I had to make, you know,
some really tough decisions because I mean, I was thinking
about the team. I was leaving the coaches from both sides.
(04:36):
The you know what what this meant? You know what
I would have to go through to get get on
board the coach. It was just a mess that I
have to clean up. I was just thinking to myself,
but it just was the opportunity that you know, really
presented itself and it just felt like the right fit
at a tough time. So that's how it all came about, Jay,
(05:00):
And you know, it did a lot of prayer through
it all. It was very stressful, but I feel like
in the end, I think it was a win win
across the board for everyone.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So what made you want to run to the fire
and Steff run away from me?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's always been my life. The Tennessee State job came
at a time when it was it came out of nowhere. Again,
it was in the spring. It was no coaching experience,
but it was something that called me to it to say, okay, well,
and that instance Tennessee State was about, Hey, how can
(05:35):
I help these young men we stare for a potential
and I can give something back to the game that
gave back something to me, you know, gave me a
plethora of opportunities across the board and became successful in it.
And then it's like, Wow, I love coaching. I love
everything about coaching, even the hard stuff. I love, you know,
because it's a challenge, But ultimately it's about preparing these men,
(05:59):
these young men to become men through football and finding
their purpose and so forth. And you know, looking at
Bowling Green State University, it was it's in Ohio. They're
on a trajectory of going upward in terms of their
entire university. You know, we were sharing like mind ideas
(06:20):
and it was like, man, this this seems like a
nice fit. So, you know, my wife was excited about it.
My youngest son was on board. I talked to them
first to see what they thought, and they were like, man, Dad,
you know why not. You know, it's like you're playing
the video game like you used to play with Dynasty
and you were, you know, talking about what you would
do with your programs and all this and that it's
(06:42):
you're living it out. And that's why I ran to it.
It was it was something they called me.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
How much did the Bears interview play your name get
an heal there for it?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah? I think a lot. It prepared me for this moment,
which is kind of master plan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
We talked about it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yes, you know what, Jay, it's you know, we talked
about it. I called you, you know, to figure out, Okay,
what is this really about? You know, and I wasn't
trying to be somebody's pawn and all that stuff and
the Ruiney rule and all that. But you were like, no, dude,
you got to do it. You have to do it.
You must do it, you know absolutely, And the experience
(07:27):
was invaluable man. To sit there for three hours to
go through everything, I mean, whether I could have got
the job or not, was showed me like, Okay, here
are the areas where I can get improve in, but oh,
here's an area where I'm really strong. So it exposed
a lot in terms of my preparation over the past
(07:48):
four years, and I said, okay, let me let me
prepare for this, like this next step whatever that is
in these specific areas. And you know, from that point on,
you know, I took I wouldn't found more lessons to
get more interview prep and find out more information on
salary cap how they would do it. I mean, just
(08:10):
I became a sponge and ironically prepared me for this
opportunity for Bowling Green State that came out of nowhere.
In terms of the interview.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What's good that you just brought this up because it's
self scounting is great, right, and it's like you know
we far, we're always kind of working on stuff we're
bad at.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's where it's the right place to do it. No
one's gonna watch.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So when you're in that interview, tell me the instances
that surprised you that, Oh man, I'm better than I thought.
It wasn't just I ain't really prepared here, and then
some of the instances the other way you're like, oh no,
I'm not close to this, I gotta learn this.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, it was it was more about I guess roster management,
understanding the cap really delving deep into that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, there was something you knew better or you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I didn't know. Excuse me, I didn't. I wasn't really
polished in that area because it's not my world. I'm in,
like the world of n I L and Transfer Portal,
That's that's where I'm at. But just really kind of
on the surface understanding, but really getting delving deep into it.
In terms of roster management, that area I was not
well reversed. But then you know, in terms of culture,
(09:18):
you know, I know, I know a room. I know listen,
I know how to build the brand, and I know
how to lead. I know how to develop leaders. You know,
Caleb Williams was a perfect example. I saw the example
Steve mcnaher and how we dealt with him and how
we dealt would have dealt with Caleb Williams in terms
of team culture that I know inside and out, you
know too. To build you know, Tennessee State back to
(09:42):
prominence was a process and I had to turn a
lot of things around, and it started with mindset. Turned
started out with with your habits, you know, it started
out with the spirit of the team and holding people accountable.
And there was a lot of lessons I had to
learn through that. It was a lot of hard stuff
that I had to go through to get there. So
(10:02):
that experience was invaluable man. So you know, the Bears
thing really really helped me in terms of that and
situational football on a high level, you know, putting me
in a situation that what would you do here? You're down,
You're at the plus forty five yard line and it's
the end of half. You know, what are you thinking?
(10:24):
What is going through your mind is twenty three seconds
on the clock, two timeouts? What do you want to do?
You know? Do you try to go for the first down?
Do you try to get aggressive do you play for
the field goal? What are you thinking? You know?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It was like, oh, where's.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
My analytic guy right now? That guy right?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So you know, and it was good, you know, it
was great, man, And I'm like, I can dig this.
I love it. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think a lot of people get down with her
and things like this. They don't know the answer, and
then they get down themselves. Instead of realizing exactly they are,
just say you learn.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like, man, I got choked out my first MMA, best
thing ever happened to me.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I didn't know anything.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So I was a boxer wrestler. I went learned under
Hento Gracie and won a huge the biggest submission tournament
in the world. And it's got to coach this to
thousand pro athletes over time. You know, that lost the
best thing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Ever happened to me, right, And and that's what you
have to do. It may not be this opportunity, but
it'd be maybe for the next one. That's when I said,
you know what, I'm so thankful that I went through
that process because it forced me one to prepare under pressure.
In a short period of time. I had about two
or three days to get ready for this thing, and
they gave me no type of prep. He tell all, Like,
(11:45):
so I'm calling around asking questions, trying to get stuff
offline and looking at the roster, looking at the salary
cap and trying to understand it as best I could,
and went in there and just let it, let it hang. Man.
It's like it's like when I did the Billy Flynn
audition on Broadway. You know, it was exactly like that,
and you know it exposed a lot, but I had
to work on a lot, a lot of different things
(12:07):
that that I'm still continuing to work on a sharp
in my iron. Wait.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When Eddie called me about this bears getting so the
Bears and and they legitimately like, we think this guy's
gonna be at the start one day and we want
to give a young guy chance, which I love.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I did say that he better not be elected. Tooking
black eye just suppressed.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, like no, because.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They didn't didn't think Ben Jonson was gonna lose. You
be out.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And they had a couple more interviews with minorities, but
they were legitim according to them, and I believe them.
Even so, even you were like, hey, I'm taking this opportunity,
whatever it is. But when you were calling, we were
you and I were going over staff members. Did you
call those staff members and were they like are you
fucking serious your reaction? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I did, and they were like, oh, he says, well,
what do you think about some of my staffs? Like yeah, yeah,
that'd be great, Eddie h Okay. What is right right? Is?
What is this interview?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
How with who coming to call you?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Right? Hey? I said, listen, man, I gotta do this interview.
It is what it is. So I call. I called
quite a few guys, man, I called Mike Rabel, I
called the guys you mentioned, and it really it allowed
me to put a database of staff together for what
it is that I envisioned for a situation like that
(13:29):
or even now, you know, Jay, where I'm looking at
other coaches possibly for positions here the next year, you know,
quality control guys that are just waiting for an opportunity
to be call play callers, learning their philosophy the scene.
If it marrias my philosophy, GM's possibly that can come
(13:51):
to the collegiate level, you know, because that's where we're going.
College football. It's becoming more and more more like professional sports,
professional football. So it really broadened my networks. And you know,
whether people took me seriously or not, it didn't matter.
You know the fact that I made the calls and
they were they were receptive to it, and they understand
(14:12):
they knew what I was doing at Tennessee State and
they heard and so it wasn't there was about there
was surprised, but not really surprised, if that made sense.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And that was the best thing about the Bears, because
you have done really well at Tennessee State and nobody
realized Eon.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Gets a ton of attention that he should. He's question right,
no question, but you've done a really remarkable job there
as well.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And we were able to tell people that you were
coach of the Year and you know, won your your conference,
and nobody in the world really knew it outside your bubble.
That allowed us to go, oh man, look what he's done.
And that's what it's great And that's all you got
to do is give it on someone someone's greater, and
everybody's gonna root for you. They know you're they know
you already know in my opinion, they know what you
(14:53):
know what it takes to be a champion. Now they're
realizing they know, you also know how to teach it,
not just use it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right right. And that's and that's been the blessing every
every morning I wake up, I mean, I try to
find something I can teach these young men. Like this morning,
for example, I showed them exactly who they were, you know,
seven and sixteen by how the locker room looked. Took
a video of it was relatively clean, but they still
had paper and bottles and shoes and not paying attention
(15:23):
to detail, and it was consistent. I said, this is
a seven and six football team.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's just look like that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Don't look like that, Nah, they don't. It all starts there,
you know, It's all started for me at fourteen Military Academy.
Mickey Sullivan. You clean that locker room up, and that's
where championships began, you know, exactly. So you know, we're
learning that stuff first. And the treating people with respect,
making the people that equipment put people and the janitor
(15:53):
is making their job easy, you know, and not taking
it for granted. And I gave them a story of
when I was with the Titans and I had the
worst locker in the whole building. It was terrible. I had,
oh Jay, I had all kinds of mail in it.
I was, you know, getting stuff from girls and fans,
(16:14):
and you know, it was just closed everywhere. And Bruce
Matthews pulled me into the aside and said, hey, man,
you know we're looking to you as our leader, and
there's no way we can take you serious if your
locker is a mess like this.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Really that was in nineteen ninety seven, ninety six, ninety six.
He was like, man, you're going to be the leader
of this team, so if you want us to follow you.
He was an eighteen year vet iron man, You're going
to have to do the small things right before we
can do that. That and I made sure that everything
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was folded in the line, you know what I mean.
So that, to me, that was like an eye opening
experien I never forgot. That never forgot.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
And that's where you know a lot of people ask
about when the kid comes into the NFL. There's so
much extra that effects go, including whose teammates are, who's
sitting next to him in his locker, how happy is
in that town, the positive reinforcement, the negative reinforcement.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So to get a life lesson like that from a
guy like Bruce Matthews. Yeah, incredible, That's incredible. But that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Like I always tell people, you know, I've trained again
a thousand guys in MMA and tell every team ten
percent of the world they are just fucking gangsters, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
They are.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Chuck Ladell and Ray Lewis or James Howison are just
they are just chillers.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
They're born that way. Ten percent. It's ship. You could
do it and can go either way, you know, up down,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And you could that goes up or down based on
exactly what you're saying. Yeah, who you're with, who teaches you,
you know, the coaching that you get, just the circumstances
and that right there, man put you boost you back
up to that ten percent.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Story, it really is. It really was. Man. It put
me in check. You know, you can take things like
that for granted, and I never forgot that, man. And
that's and that's what we're doing, and that's the things
that those are the lessons that I've learned, certainly at
Tennessee State. And I'm so grateful for that opportunity because
it was a lot of hard lessons, a lot of
hard stuff. I had to learn about everything because it
(18:30):
was a lot. We had to do more, We had
to do more, and that was okay. I didn't mind
the grind, and it was it was tough. But to
see the mindset shift in the kids and and them
take pride in their work and really believe that they
were champions, behave like champions and hold each other accountable,
become leaders on that campus was really really remarkable by
(18:53):
that's by me, but my staff and the commitment of
the kids day in and day out, so you know,
it was it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, I'm always pridy when I hear these and
I see how you light up on Yeah, my pride, man,
gratitude for your for your for our brotherhood. Man, it
just goes through the ceiling. Where's he, Eddie Georgia. It's
just taking this job. What's he going in with this
job that he didn't know first couple of years Tennessee State,
that he's learned over.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
This stuff everything, like everything, Jay, I didn't know a
lot about the business of college football.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I knew elements of leadership, but just to
get my mind wrapped around you know I have you know,
I have his master plan here for Bowling Green that
I used for Tennessee State, and it was just a lot.
So I had to brain dump and put it in
categories like everything that touches football. And that's first the
(19:53):
players and my staff and the academics, because academic still
matters here. The next thing is recruiting, coster management, strength
and conditioning, alumni n i L, equipment, housing, athletic training,
compliance and video. You know, and and have goals associated
with those things. What are the the what are the
challenges in each of those areas because if those things
(20:15):
go unchecked and it falls on you. Because everything that
touches football is the culture, so you have to make
sure that hey, okay, prime example with with compliance, understanding
the deadlines to get paperwork in from our recruits that
we're recruiting to them at a certain amount of time
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is huge because if you don't get it in there
at the particular time, now you're having to double back
to beat the deadline to get kids onboarded when they
when they signed, when they go through the process of
coming into school. You know, those little did spots. So
how can we build relationships to say Okay, what is
(20:57):
the what are your challenges? How can we help assist
you so we can get things done in the efficient
way and operate at a high level. So it's holding
my coaches accountable, but also building relationships across campus why
And that's something that I didn't know. Now if I knew, like,
if I knew that now at Tennessee State, I would
personally go over there to these offices and build more
(21:19):
relationships so we can be on the same page and
re growing in the same direction. So those are the
things that I didn't know coming in. I thought it
was just, Hey, it's about building the team. But the
team for you to be.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Successful extends to everybody else that touches football. And you
have to treat people with respect and grace and compassion
and empathy and really put yourself in their shoes to say, Okay,
if something's not getting done, why.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Let's let's talk about it. How can we how can
we really find the win win in these situations? So
the wall right right find out why because they might
have a bad day, they might be understaffed, they might
you know, so it's like the whole you know, the
waiter situation. You know, like if somebody's late with your
food or you gonna cut them out, you know, you
(22:11):
don't know what they're going to do with it. So
it's it's it's it's those things that I had to learn,
and I had to learn on the on the fly,
and I had to learn the hard way. I made
a lot of mistakes. There's a lot of things that
would have done differently when I look back in hindsight,
you know, I was not perfect, and you know it's
okay that I wasn't. But my heart's in the right place,
you know what I'm saying. And that's that's what I
(22:33):
had to learn, like, you know, delegating other duties orange
of coaches and holding them accountable. And it's really the
coaches that you got to manage more so than the
actual kids. At times, you don't what I'm saying that
that's crazy. That's the crazy part. Is this the coaches
that you have to look out for. But yeah, kids,
(22:56):
you know what you canna get. But you figure like
you're a grown man, like really, we I right, we
have to have this conversation that you're eighteen, you know,
so ay the way.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
The coaches, the conversation with these coaches.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
When you become an NFL head coach, you're still gonna
have with these NFL assistants. Just you know it, don't
It doesn't yah what you realize too, especially you know,
I hope a lot of guys get hired as head
coaches the league.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
As you know, I warn them all everyone in your
buildings fucked up.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And you don't know it until you sit in that chair,
and then you find out what the fuck really goes
on with this guy and his wife and his baby's mama,
and his agent and this and that and these hangers
on and these people and this. Oh my god, it's everything,
and it's not. It becomes so much less about X
and os and more about how do I manage every
(23:46):
people and people around those people so I can get
the best.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
From my guys. Right, But you have no idea until
you're sitting in that scene.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, you know what you have a you have I
have a new appreciation for guys like Jeff this year,
and Bill part ourselves and and Mike Tomlin and you know,
the guys that have had to sit in these seats
and make some stuff, decisions decisions, and ultimately a lot
of that stuff comes back on them, you know, and
it's it is a tough is a tough seat to
(24:15):
sit in because it's a lot to manage.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And there's no schooling.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Even if you get a psychiatry like you could get
a mastering psychiatry, it does not prepare.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
You can crush your desk.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
In the world of football, not close the stuff come
across your desk. You cannot find a case study anywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
As soon as you walk in the building, it's came on.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So by the time I walked from the parking lot
to my office and getting attacked with five things that
I gotta deal with prior to even putting things down.
So you got to you gotta come in and with
a clear mind, and you have to take time out
for yourself to do some self care. Hence the trip
to Arizona with a massage and a yoga retreat. And
(24:57):
so that's how.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Do you take daily death. The other problem I find
for head coaches. They always tell me a couple of things.
I always tell these guys, hey date your wife. They
signed up for you, not that seat. So a lot
of times why I was gonna get insecure too, because
all of a sudden, everybody knows you. You're different because
everyone's knowing you. For all, everybody knows you. People are
coming up during family dinners asking for pictures, date your wife,
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but also time, like you think you don't have enough
time hours in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Take care of yourself. He's got to stop working out.
They stopped taking care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I'm always telling these guys, you got to figure
out a way to take that self care.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
What do you do well? Jay? He's funny you say that, man,
because I for the last was it fifteen last twelve years,
I started planning out my daily life, okay, And what
I do is I start with me first, and is
my private time and workout, right, and it's at the
top of the morning. I was up at four thirty
(25:57):
this morning working out, making sure I got my workout
hit practice field.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Go back to my looking at problems when you're doing that,
or you just.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
No, no, no, no, no no, that's my time, my time.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
These guys get on the treadmill, but they'll start looking
at that. You got to give your brain and your
soul rest so you can come back.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
With that with your buckets and you'll you'll find the
answers in the rest when you rest and you put
it down like there was a coach Derek Mason told
me a long time ago to start journaling, especially at night.
Just just journal your day out. How did it go,
what did I learn, what did I accomplish? What do
(26:40):
I have to do tomorrow? So that way when you
lay down, you're not thinking about it, you're not having
to sort things out. Like I didn't get any sleep
the last few weeks because of this whole staff situation.
I'm thinking about who do I keep, who do I tell?
Who they have it? It drives you, so it drives
you nuts. So it's very important that you when you
(27:03):
when you do a hard stop at night, say listen,
eight thirty when I stepped foot in that household is
nothing but my family decompressed. For me to just just
ease out and know that the issues will be there
tomorrow and I'll solve it between that time. The last
thing you want to do is continue to blind the
camera at both ends, and that that's stress, that stress
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to eat you alive. Man.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
By the way, just you know in the NFL and
ain't thirty thing don't work because motherfuckers don't get in
trouble before eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh, I know, trust me. I know. Hey, the real
the real stuff begins when you leave the building.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's right, man, that's what happened. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
All right man again, I appreciate you joining me. Man,
this is so great. How have you enjoyed this process?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Have you landed yet? You know, I said, like, okay,
I'm here, I get what's going on, and you're.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Still yeah, that's a great question. I haven't landed yet.
You know, I'm still trying to find my sea legs.
I'm still you know, finding myself thinking about what I
could have done differently at TSU or you know, just
kind of just going through that whole thing, you know,
(28:22):
thinking about that part.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Why you doing that?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, well it's it's the kids. Like my son's still there, right,
you know, So it's it's it's that part, you know
what I'm saying, like with with the whole portal and
all of that. So that is not like I'm think
regretting anything now. I'm just thinking about, you know, how
I'm going to get them to come here and so forth,
and you know that that part. But anyway, just yeah,
(28:48):
finding my sea legs is I'm still in that process,
you know, trying to get a house and trying to
get a routine. You know, each day that I'm involved
in ball and I'm watching nine on seven and getting
around the guys and getting to know them gets me
more and more settled into my role. And I'll tell
you what the hopefully, hopefully you can come to a game,
(29:09):
is not that far from Detroit, you know, I know,
but but I'm saying I have to do with anything
because you go to these camps. I know you travel around.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, yes, I'll do that and I will definitely come
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yes, so not that far from Detroit. I know you're
a Dan Campbell fan. I'll be going to Detroit myself.
I'm going to go up there some time. But yeah,
I'm just I'm really I'm really enjoying the process. I
am having a good time and with the people here,
they've been very, very helpful. They've embraced it. They're excited.
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So I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm going to leave fans here with one story, because
Eddie and I have a million great stories. She told
us a last podcast, a bunch of them. I don't
think we told this one Eddie's family, right, we're family. Well,
I have just crazy story.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So I'm in a place called Sushi.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
By Scratch with Justin Hartley, who's on this is us
and Tracker. So we're at his house. We go to
the Sushi by Scratch and we have which is incredible.
It's one of my favorite restaurants in America. But we
have like this sixteen seventy course on Makassi and there
was a different drink with each one and about shot
number twelve whatever. I get a FaceTime apparently for Maddie George.
(30:26):
I don't remember this, and yeah, you guys know, Howdy Georgia.
I show everybody there and what is like a week later?
Two weeks later, I get a cook Eddie's son going hey,
mister Glazer, I like an hour out, how do I
get in the house.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm like, what are you talking about? Do you know
about this part?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I had?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I was so drunk.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Each son was gone and passed to stay with me.
I did not remember at fall.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm like, and I think I called and you feeled
me and I'm like, hey, that but uncle does I said.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yes, a recollection and he's staying for a couple of weeks,
a lot of movement. I was like, no, it happened generally.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Hey, Eddie, you have to tell your son. He's he's
got two weeks to get out of here. A jay
kick him out. I mean, listen, hey, hey man, you're
You're hilarious. Man, you're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Your part of that story is the next morning, Justin
Hartley left his wife and I was out to that before.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
He really is a great actor. I was with the
two of them, no clue.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You know what's crazy again. You're like, you're a sign
for someone that their life is about to completely change
when you come around. They're like, this is again again again.
I saw you in Indy. My life changed. Somebody else's
life changed, so you Hey, I couldn't know.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
There was no signs, not a single sign.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It was the next day I looked on him, and
not even when he was drunk, he didn't say nothing
like it.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
By the way, tomorrow is gonna be a bad one. Zero.
This motherfucker could act.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Hey, that's why he's getting paid the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Absolutely, man, Eddie, I love you, buddy. I'm proud to
have most of your son, proud to be your brother.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Thank you, man, love you brother, loveybody
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hey, George Head, Coach, Bull and Green,
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast
build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome into Unbreakable, the Mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazer, and man, I am proud too have
a return guest, one of my best friends on the
planet but also a coaching star on the rise. Last
time we talked to him, he was the head coach
at Tennessee State. Now we're talking to him. He's the
head coach at Bowling Green. One of the best running
backs to ever play. My dude, Eddie George, how everybody,
(00:37):
Miss Booker?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, I'm doing great, man, Miss Booker?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Which the word?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What's the word?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Seeing you? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Great? Seeing you buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And man, you and I well we talked obviously when
you were going to interview for the Bears.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
First of all, I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Don't even like we haven't We didn't dive into this.
How did Bullgreen come about? How quickly did it come about?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
What was crazy? Man? And when I saw you in Indie,
just up there for the Tennessee State and just doing
my rounds is meeting people, networking and all that. That
night I think I saw across the ticker, Bowling green
head coach takes the Philadelphia Eagle job.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Right, I saw you get the combine.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Saying at the desk, all this so happened to combine
right after, So it's something about you.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm pretty much for your life, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So I look at the ticker and I say, man,
that's a messed up situation. I said, I would hate
to be that in that situation because of the timing,
you know, two weeks before camp, the two weeks before
springball starts. And I was like, man, they got they
gotta have an issue with that. So next morning, I'm
driving back home and it's about a you know, three
(01:49):
hour driver, so beautiful drive back, and I'm just contemplating, like, man, okay,
you know, I'm going to the last year of my deal,
and you know, I'm hoptimistic at things you want to
work out at Tennessee State and thinking about my team,
and I'm like, you know, God's what's going to be
next for me? You know it is? You know, I
had interview for the Bear's job and so forth, and
I was intrigued by that and I was like, Okay,
(02:11):
what's next. And about ten minutes later, I'm driving through
Bowling Green, Kentucky. I see a sign Bowling Green, Kentucky,
and I'm looking down on my dashboard it said urban
Meyer text mess for Urban Meyer. I was like, okay, interesting.
I looked at the text and it says, hey, would
you be interested in the Bowling Green job. I'm like,
(02:34):
oh boy. In immediately I'm like, oh god, that sounds
like a tough situation because of the timing and all
of that. Long story short, I call Urban We talked.
The guy from a DHR, Glenn Sujianmi calls me and
tells me that hey, I want you to you should
really look into this job. And I'm like, well, the
(02:55):
timing and all says, well, hey, just just look into it.
Seems like a good fit you ohioh blah blah blah blah.
So go home and discuss it with my wife. She
seems like she was on board. And then I said, hey,
let me just you know, secretly, just talk about it
in the background. Let me have this conversation, let me
talk have the interview, because I didn't want it to
be out there that hey, you know, I'm searching for
(03:17):
a job. I mean, I don't want to lose my team.
So I go through that process really well on my
way to Arizona for a retreat. That weekend. I fly
out to Arizona, which was another adventure. I get there,
I get a two hour massage. Then I get a
call saying, hey, he wants you to come interview in
person with the president. The a d if you.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Massage time out?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It was, it was, it's in Tucson. It's a legitimate spot.
Stop with see your mind, you're sick. Here you go
with all.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The the dag on uh.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Investigatory is a legitimate massage by a professional?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I'm just asking. I'm just making an observation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's not. It's not the kind that you get, all right,
the thirty minute ones.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
All right?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But I go to a Z and I go to
Detroit and I interview, and it was like fast and
furious at that point, and I had to make, you know,
some really tough decisions because I mean, I was thinking
about the team. I was leaving the coaches from both sides.
(04:36):
The you know what what this meant? You know what
I would have to go through to get get on
board the coach. It was just a mess that I
have to clean up. I was just thinking to myself,
but it just was the opportunity that you know, really
presented itself and it just felt like the right fit
at a tough time. So that's how it all came about, Jay,
(05:00):
And you know, it did a lot of prayer through
it all. It was very stressful, but I feel like
in the end, I think it was a win win
across the board for everyone.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So what made you want to run to the fire
and Steff run away from me?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's always been my life. The Tennessee State job came
at a time when it was it came out of nowhere. Again,
it was in the spring. It was no coaching experience,
but it was something that called me to it to say, okay, well,
and that instance Tennessee State was about, Hey, how can
(05:35):
I help these young men we stare for a potential
and I can give something back to the game that
gave back something to me, you know, gave me a
plethora of opportunities across the board and became successful in it.
And then it's like, Wow, I love coaching. I love
everything about coaching, even the hard stuff. I love, you know,
because it's a challenge, But ultimately it's about preparing these men,
(05:59):
these young men to become men through football and finding
their purpose and so forth. And you know, looking at
Bowling Green State University, it was it's in Ohio. They're
on a trajectory of going upward in terms of their
entire university. You know, we were sharing like mind ideas
(06:20):
and it was like, man, this this seems like a
nice fit. So, you know, my wife was excited about it.
My youngest son was on board. I talked to them
first to see what they thought, and they were like, man, Dad,
you know why not. You know, it's like you're playing
the video game like you used to play with Dynasty
and you were, you know, talking about what you would
do with your programs and all this and that it's
(06:42):
you're living it out. And that's why I ran to it.
It was it was something they called me.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
How much did the Bears interview play your name get
an heal there for it?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah? I think a lot. It prepared me for this moment,
which is kind of master plan.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
We talked about it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yes, you know what, Jay, it's you know, we talked
about it. I called you, you know, to figure out, Okay,
what is this really about? You know, and I wasn't
trying to be somebody's pawn and all that stuff and
the Ruiney rule and all that. But you were like, no, dude,
you got to do it. You have to do it.
You must do it, you know absolutely, And the experience
(07:27):
was invaluable man. To sit there for three hours to
go through everything, I mean, whether I could have got
the job or not, was showed me like, Okay, here
are the areas where I can get improve in, but oh,
here's an area where I'm really strong. So it exposed
a lot in terms of my preparation over the past
(07:48):
four years, and I said, okay, let me let me
prepare for this, like this next step whatever that is
in these specific areas. And you know, from that point on,
you know, I took I wouldn't found more lessons to
get more interview prep and find out more information on
salary cap how they would do it. I mean, just
(08:10):
I became a sponge and ironically prepared me for this
opportunity for Bowling Green State that came out of nowhere.
In terms of the interview.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What's good that you just brought this up because it's
self scounting is great, right, and it's like you know
we far, we're always kind of working on stuff we're
bad at.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's where it's the right place to do it. No
one's gonna watch.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So when you're in that interview, tell me the instances
that surprised you that, Oh man, I'm better than I thought.
It wasn't just I ain't really prepared here, and then
some of the instances the other way you're like, oh no,
I'm not close to this, I gotta learn this.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, it was it was more about I guess roster management,
understanding the cap really delving deep into that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Well, there was something you knew better or you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I didn't know. Excuse me, I didn't. I wasn't really
polished in that area because it's not my world. I'm in,
like the world of n I L and Transfer Portal,
That's that's where I'm at. But just really kind of
on the surface understanding, but really getting delving deep into it.
In terms of roster management, that area I was not
well reversed. But then you know, in terms of culture,
(09:18):
you know, I know, I know a room. I know listen,
I know how to build the brand, and I know
how to lead. I know how to develop leaders. You know,
Caleb Williams was a perfect example. I saw the example
Steve mcnaher and how we dealt with him and how
we dealt would have dealt with Caleb Williams in terms
of team culture that I know inside and out, you
know too. To build you know, Tennessee State back to
(09:42):
prominence was a process and I had to turn a
lot of things around, and it started with mindset. Turned
started out with with your habits, you know, it started
out with the spirit of the team and holding people accountable.
And there was a lot of lessons I had to
learn through that. It was a lot of hard stuff
that I had to go through to get there. So
(10:02):
that experience was invaluable man. So you know, the Bears
thing really really helped me in terms of that and
situational football on a high level, you know, putting me
in a situation that what would you do here? You're down,
You're at the plus forty five yard line and it's
the end of half. You know, what are you thinking?
(10:24):
What is going through your mind is twenty three seconds
on the clock, two timeouts? What do you want to do?
You know? Do you try to go for the first down?
Do you try to get aggressive do you play for
the field goal? What are you thinking? You know?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
It was like, oh, where's.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
My analytic guy right now? That guy right?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So you know, and it was good, you know, it
was great, man, And I'm like, I can dig this.
I love it. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think a lot of people get down with her
and things like this. They don't know the answer, and
then they get down themselves. Instead of realizing exactly they are,
just say you learn.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like, man, I got choked out my first MMA, best
thing ever happened to me.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I didn't know anything.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So I was a boxer wrestler. I went learned under
Hento Gracie and won a huge the biggest submission tournament
in the world. And it's got to coach this to
thousand pro athletes over time. You know, that lost the
best thing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Ever happened to me, right, And and that's what you
have to do. It may not be this opportunity, but
it'd be maybe for the next one. That's when I said,
you know what, I'm so thankful that I went through
that process because it forced me one to prepare under pressure.
In a short period of time. I had about two
or three days to get ready for this thing, and
they gave me no type of prep. He tell all, Like,
(11:45):
so I'm calling around asking questions, trying to get stuff
offline and looking at the roster, looking at the salary
cap and trying to understand it as best I could,
and went in there and just let it, let it hang. Man.
It's like it's like when I did the Billy Flynn
audition on Broadway. You know, it was exactly like that,
and you know it exposed a lot, but I had
to work on a lot, a lot of different things
(12:07):
that that I'm still continuing to work on a sharp
in my iron. Wait.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
When Eddie called me about this bears getting so the
Bears and and they legitimately like, we think this guy's
gonna be at the start one day and we want
to give a young guy chance, which I love.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I did say that he better not be elected. Tooking
black eye just suppressed.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, like no, because.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They didn't didn't think Ben Jonson was gonna lose. You
be out.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And they had a couple more interviews with minorities, but
they were legitim according to them, and I believe them.
Even so, even you were like, hey, I'm taking this opportunity,
whatever it is. But when you were calling, we were
you and I were going over staff members. Did you
call those staff members and were they like are you
fucking serious your reaction? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I did, and they were like, oh, he says, well,
what do you think about some of my staffs? Like yeah, yeah,
that'd be great, Eddie h Okay. What is right right? Is?
What is this interview?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
How with who coming to call you?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Right? Hey? I said, listen, man, I gotta do this interview.
It is what it is. So I call. I called
quite a few guys, man, I called Mike Rabel, I
called the guys you mentioned, and it really it allowed
me to put a database of staff together for what
it is that I envisioned for a situation like that
(13:29):
or even now, you know, Jay, where I'm looking at
other coaches possibly for positions here the next year, you know,
quality control guys that are just waiting for an opportunity
to be call play callers, learning their philosophy the scene.
If it marrias my philosophy, GM's possibly that can come
(13:51):
to the collegiate level, you know, because that's where we're going.
College football. It's becoming more and more more like professional sports,
professional football. So it really broadened my networks. And you know,
whether people took me seriously or not, it didn't matter.
You know the fact that I made the calls and
they were they were receptive to it, and they understand
(14:12):
they knew what I was doing at Tennessee State and
they heard and so it wasn't there was about there
was surprised, but not really surprised, if that made sense.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And that was the best thing about the Bears, because
you have done really well at Tennessee State and nobody
realized Eon.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Gets a ton of attention that he should. He's question right,
no question, but you've done a really remarkable job there
as well.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And we were able to tell people that you were
coach of the Year and you know, won your your conference,
and nobody in the world really knew it outside your bubble.
That allowed us to go, oh man, look what he's done.
And that's what it's great And that's all you got
to do is give it on someone someone's greater, and
everybody's gonna root for you. They know you're they know
you already know in my opinion, they know what you
(14:53):
know what it takes to be a champion. Now they're
realizing they know, you also know how to teach it,
not just use it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right right. And that's and that's been the blessing every
every morning I wake up, I mean, I try to
find something I can teach these young men. Like this morning,
for example, I showed them exactly who they were, you know,
seven and sixteen by how the locker room looked. Took
a video of it was relatively clean, but they still
had paper and bottles and shoes and not paying attention
(15:23):
to detail, and it was consistent. I said, this is
a seven and six football team.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's just look like that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Don't look like that, Nah, they don't. It all starts there,
you know, It's all started for me at fourteen Military Academy.
Mickey Sullivan. You clean that locker room up, and that's
where championships began, you know, exactly. So you know, we're
learning that stuff first. And the treating people with respect,
making the people that equipment put people and the janitor
(15:53):
is making their job easy, you know, and not taking
it for granted. And I gave them a story of
when I was with the Titans and I had the
worst locker in the whole building. It was terrible. I had,
oh Jay, I had all kinds of mail in it.
I was, you know, getting stuff from girls and fans,
(16:14):
and you know, it was just closed everywhere. And Bruce
Matthews pulled me into the aside and said, hey, man,
you know we're looking to you as our leader, and
there's no way we can take you serious if your
locker is a mess like this.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Really that was in nineteen ninety seven, ninety six, ninety six.
He was like, man, you're going to be the leader
of this team, so if you want us to follow you.
He was an eighteen year vet iron man, You're going
to have to do the small things right before we
can do that. That and I made sure that everything
(16:52):
was folded in the line, you know what I mean.
So that, to me, that was like an eye opening
experien I never forgot. That never forgot.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
And that's where you know a lot of people ask
about when the kid comes into the NFL. There's so
much extra that effects go, including whose teammates are, who's
sitting next to him in his locker, how happy is
in that town, the positive reinforcement, the negative reinforcement.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So to get a life lesson like that from a
guy like Bruce Matthews. Yeah, incredible, That's incredible. But that's
what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Like I always tell people, you know, I've trained again
a thousand guys in MMA and tell every team ten
percent of the world they are just fucking gangsters, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
They are.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Chuck Ladell and Ray Lewis or James Howison are just
they are just chillers.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
They're born that way. Ten percent. It's ship. You could
do it and can go either way, you know, up down,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And you could that goes up or down based on
exactly what you're saying. Yeah, who you're with, who teaches you,
you know, the coaching that you get, just the circumstances
and that right there, man put you boost you back
up to that ten percent.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Story, it really is. It really was. Man. It put
me in check. You know, you can take things like
that for granted, and I never forgot that, man. And
that's and that's what we're doing, and that's the things
that those are the lessons that I've learned, certainly at
Tennessee State. And I'm so grateful for that opportunity because
it was a lot of hard lessons, a lot of
hard stuff. I had to learn about everything because it
(18:30):
was a lot. We had to do more, We had
to do more, and that was okay. I didn't mind
the grind, and it was it was tough. But to
see the mindset shift in the kids and and them
take pride in their work and really believe that they
were champions, behave like champions and hold each other accountable,
become leaders on that campus was really really remarkable by
(18:53):
that's by me, but my staff and the commitment of
the kids day in and day out, so you know,
it was it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, I'm always pridy when I hear these and
I see how you light up on Yeah, my pride, man,
gratitude for your for your for our brotherhood. Man, it
just goes through the ceiling. Where's he, Eddie Georgia. It's
just taking this job. What's he going in with this
job that he didn't know first couple of years Tennessee State,
that he's learned over.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
This stuff everything, like everything, Jay, I didn't know a
lot about the business of college football.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I knew elements of leadership, but just to
get my mind wrapped around you know I have you know,
I have his master plan here for Bowling Green that
I used for Tennessee State, and it was just a lot.
So I had to brain dump and put it in
categories like everything that touches football. And that's first the
(19:53):
players and my staff and the academics, because academic still
matters here. The next thing is recruiting, coster management, strength
and conditioning, alumni n i L, equipment, housing, athletic training,
compliance and video. You know, and and have goals associated
with those things. What are the the what are the
challenges in each of those areas because if those things
(20:15):
go unchecked and it falls on you. Because everything that
touches football is the culture, so you have to make
sure that hey, okay, prime example with with compliance, understanding
the deadlines to get paperwork in from our recruits that
we're recruiting to them at a certain amount of time
(20:37):
is huge because if you don't get it in there
at the particular time, now you're having to double back
to beat the deadline to get kids onboarded when they
when they signed, when they go through the process of
coming into school. You know, those little did spots. So
how can we build relationships to say Okay, what is
(20:57):
the what are your challenges? How can we help assist
you so we can get things done in the efficient
way and operate at a high level. So it's holding
my coaches accountable, but also building relationships across campus why
And that's something that I didn't know. Now if I knew, like,
if I knew that now at Tennessee State, I would
personally go over there to these offices and build more
(21:19):
relationships so we can be on the same page and
re growing in the same direction. So those are the
things that I didn't know coming in. I thought it
was just, Hey, it's about building the team. But the
team for you to be.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Successful extends to everybody else that touches football. And you
have to treat people with respect and grace and compassion
and empathy and really put yourself in their shoes to say, Okay,
if something's not getting done, why.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Let's let's talk about it. How can we how can
we really find the win win in these situations? So
the wall right right find out why because they might
have a bad day, they might be understaffed, they might
you know, so it's like the whole you know, the
waiter situation. You know, like if somebody's late with your
food or you gonna cut them out, you know, you
(22:11):
don't know what they're going to do with it. So
it's it's it's it's those things that I had to learn,
and I had to learn on the on the fly,
and I had to learn the hard way. I made
a lot of mistakes. There's a lot of things that
would have done differently when I look back in hindsight,
you know, I was not perfect, and you know it's
okay that I wasn't. But my heart's in the right place,
you know what I'm saying. And that's that's what I
(22:33):
had to learn, like, you know, delegating other duties orange
of coaches and holding them accountable. And it's really the
coaches that you got to manage more so than the
actual kids. At times, you don't what I'm saying that
that's crazy. That's the crazy part. Is this the coaches
that you have to look out for. But yeah, kids,
(22:56):
you know what you canna get. But you figure like
you're a grown man, like really, we I right, we
have to have this conversation that you're eighteen, you know,
so ay the way.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
The coaches, the conversation with these coaches.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
When you become an NFL head coach, you're still gonna
have with these NFL assistants. Just you know it, don't
It doesn't yah what you realize too, especially you know,
I hope a lot of guys get hired as head
coaches the league.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
As you know, I warn them all everyone in your
buildings fucked up.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And you don't know it until you sit in that chair,
and then you find out what the fuck really goes
on with this guy and his wife and his baby's mama,
and his agent and this and that and these hangers
on and these people and this. Oh my god, it's everything,
and it's not. It becomes so much less about X
and os and more about how do I manage every
(23:46):
people and people around those people so I can get
the best.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
From my guys. Right, But you have no idea until
you're sitting in that scene.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, you know what you have a you have I
have a new appreciation for guys like Jeff this year,
and Bill part ourselves and and Mike Tomlin and you know,
the guys that have had to sit in these seats
and make some stuff, decisions decisions, and ultimately a lot
of that stuff comes back on them, you know, and
it's it is a tough is a tough seat to
(24:15):
sit in because it's a lot to manage.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And there's no schooling.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Even if you get a psychiatry like you could get
a mastering psychiatry, it does not prepare.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
You can crush your desk.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
In the world of football, not close the stuff come
across your desk. You cannot find a case study anywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
As soon as you walk in the building, it's came on.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
So by the time I walked from the parking lot
to my office and getting attacked with five things that
I gotta deal with prior to even putting things down.
So you got to you gotta come in and with
a clear mind, and you have to take time out
for yourself to do some self care. Hence the trip
to Arizona with a massage and a yoga retreat. And
(24:57):
so that's how.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Do you take daily death. The other problem I find
for head coaches. They always tell me a couple of things.
I always tell these guys, hey date your wife. They
signed up for you, not that seat. So a lot
of times why I was gonna get insecure too, because
all of a sudden, everybody knows you. You're different because
everyone's knowing you. For all, everybody knows you. People are
coming up during family dinners asking for pictures, date your wife,
(25:21):
but also time, like you think you don't have enough
time hours in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Take care of yourself. He's got to stop working out.
They stopped taking care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I'm always telling these guys, you got to figure
out a way to take that self care.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
What do you do well? Jay? He's funny you say that, man,
because I for the last was it fifteen last twelve years,
I started planning out my daily life, okay, And what
I do is I start with me first, and is
my private time and workout, right, and it's at the
top of the morning. I was up at four thirty
(25:57):
this morning working out, making sure I got my workout
hit practice field.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Go back to my looking at problems when you're doing that,
or you just.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
No, no, no, no, no no, that's my time, my time.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
These guys get on the treadmill, but they'll start looking
at that. You got to give your brain and your
soul rest so you can come back.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
With that with your buckets and you'll you'll find the
answers in the rest when you rest and you put
it down like there was a coach Derek Mason told
me a long time ago to start journaling, especially at night.
Just just journal your day out. How did it go,
what did I learn, what did I accomplish? What do
(26:40):
I have to do tomorrow? So that way when you
lay down, you're not thinking about it, you're not having
to sort things out. Like I didn't get any sleep
the last few weeks because of this whole staff situation.
I'm thinking about who do I keep, who do I tell?
Who they have it? It drives you, so it drives
you nuts. So it's very important that you when you
(27:03):
when you do a hard stop at night, say listen,
eight thirty when I stepped foot in that household is
nothing but my family decompressed. For me to just just
ease out and know that the issues will be there
tomorrow and I'll solve it between that time. The last
thing you want to do is continue to blind the
camera at both ends, and that that's stress, that stress
(27:25):
to eat you alive. Man.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
By the way, just you know in the NFL and
ain't thirty thing don't work because motherfuckers don't get in
trouble before eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh, I know, trust me. I know. Hey, the real
the real stuff begins when you leave the building.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's right, man, that's what happened. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
All right man again, I appreciate you joining me. Man,
this is so great. How have you enjoyed this process?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Have you landed yet? You know, I said, like, okay,
I'm here, I get what's going on, and you're.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Still yeah, that's a great question. I haven't landed yet.
You know, I'm still trying to find my sea legs.
I'm still you know, finding myself thinking about what I
could have done differently at TSU or you know, just
kind of just going through that whole thing, you know,
(28:22):
thinking about that part.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Why you doing that?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, well it's it's the kids. Like my son's still there, right,
you know, So it's it's it's that part, you know
what I'm saying, like with with the whole portal and
all of that. So that is not like I'm think
regretting anything now. I'm just thinking about, you know, how
I'm going to get them to come here and so forth,
and you know that that part. But anyway, just yeah,
(28:48):
finding my sea legs is I'm still in that process,
you know, trying to get a house and trying to
get a routine. You know, each day that I'm involved
in ball and I'm watching nine on seven and getting
around the guys and getting to know them gets me
more and more settled into my role. And I'll tell
you what the hopefully, hopefully you can come to a game,
(29:09):
is not that far from Detroit, you know, I know,
but but I'm saying I have to do with anything
because you go to these camps. I know you travel around.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yes, yes, I'll do that and I will definitely come
talk to you.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yes, so not that far from Detroit. I know you're
a Dan Campbell fan. I'll be going to Detroit myself.
I'm going to go up there some time. But yeah,
I'm just I'm really I'm really enjoying the process. I
am having a good time and with the people here,
they've been very, very helpful. They've embraced it. They're excited.
(29:45):
So I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm going to leave fans here with one story, because
Eddie and I have a million great stories. She told
us a last podcast, a bunch of them. I don't
think we told this one Eddie's family, right, we're family. Well,
I have just crazy story.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So I'm in a place called Sushi.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
By Scratch with Justin Hartley, who's on this is us
and Tracker. So we're at his house. We go to
the Sushi by Scratch and we have which is incredible.
It's one of my favorite restaurants in America. But we
have like this sixteen seventy course on Makassi and there
was a different drink with each one and about shot
number twelve whatever. I get a FaceTime apparently for Maddie George.
(30:26):
I don't remember this, and yeah, you guys know, Howdy Georgia.
I show everybody there and what is like a week later?
Two weeks later, I get a cook Eddie's son going hey,
mister Glazer, I like an hour out, how do I
get in the house.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm like, what are you talking about? Do you know
about this part?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I had?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I was so drunk.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Each son was gone and passed to stay with me.
I did not remember at fall.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm like, and I think I called and you feeled
me and I'm like, hey, that but uncle does I said.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yes, a recollection and he's staying for a couple of weeks,
a lot of movement. I was like, no, it happened generally.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Hey, Eddie, you have to tell your son. He's he's
got two weeks to get out of here. A jay
kick him out. I mean, listen, hey, hey man, you're
You're hilarious. Man, you're hilarious.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Your part of that story is the next morning, Justin
Hartley left his wife and I was out to that before.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
He really is a great actor. I was with the
two of them, no clue.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You know what's crazy again. You're like, you're a sign
for someone that their life is about to completely change
when you come around. They're like, this is again again again.
I saw you in Indy. My life changed. Somebody else's
life changed, so you Hey, I couldn't know.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
There was no signs, not a single sign.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It was the next day I looked on him, and
not even when he was drunk, he didn't say nothing
like it.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
By the way, tomorrow is gonna be a bad one. Zero.
This motherfucker could act.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Hey, that's why he's getting paid the big bucks.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Absolutely, man, Eddie, I love you, buddy. I'm proud to
have most of your son, proud to be your brother.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Thank you, man, love you brother, loveybody
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hey, George Head, Coach, Bull and Green,
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