In this Best Of episode of Conversations with a Legend, we revisit LaVar Arrington's conversation with Lawrence Taylor. They discuss Taylor's impact on the game and how he became the standard for linebackers. Taylor shares his approach to the game and the importance of causing chaos on the field. The conversation concludes with a discussion about Taylor's popularity on campus and his legacy AND THEN:
**WARNING GRAPHIC LANGUAGE** We continue with Greg Lloyd, the 3x First-Team All-Pro and 5x Pro Bowl Linebacker took out the flamethrower and talks about how it's a shame that he's not in the Hall Of Fame. Lloyd lets you know that the fans came to watch the Steeler's defense not the offense. Plus, they are really giving these players big money for a FIVE-SACK Season!?!?! GTFOH!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is up on Game Presents Conversations with a Legend,
Best of Show with LeVar Errington, and LeVar is sitting
down with some of the legends you have watched on
and off the field. This is up on Game Presents
(00:21):
Conversations with a Legend, Best of Show. And now here's
LeVar Errington.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What's up, everybody? LeVar Arrington here Fox Sports Radio. Up
on Game Conversations with a Legend. This is actually the
most impactful one I'll ever do during the course of
my time ever doing an interview.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
My favorite outside of Greg Lloyd.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Greg Lloyd is somebody that I love playing watching when
I grew up. But when it comes down to it,
there was one dude that was the gold standard of
what it represented, played the position that I played, and
we were all measured and we continue to still all
be measured by that standard the way he created. The
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goat of goats is Lawrence Taylor. Some of y'all may
know him as LT. You're in conversations with a legend.
I mean, I gotta say, listen, I don't get I
don't do the starstruck thing, but I just get weird
like like cause you're Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
How does that right? Like? Every day you have heard that? Right?
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The first thing I got to ask you is because
for my entire life, I've always mentored and I've given back,
and I've tried to be a positive example to two guys.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You are the standard. We're all if you do anything
that's phenomenal. The first thing they're going to say.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Is there's a couple guys that they'll mention from from positions,
but as it applies to linebacker, your name is the
first name that always comes up.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What's that like? What's that like? Knowing that you are
you are the standard?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's not there, there is a standard and maybe you
try to be good, you are the standard.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, I mean, I'm appreciated now that I am this
standard as you as you put it, But it didn't
start out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I at the work for it, at the you know,
train for it.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
My father used to tell me, listen, hey, you know
you gotta be better just to be equal. So listen,
you gotta go out there and do more on the
football film. That's what I did. I truly enjoyed the
game when I was playing, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Shot I enjoyed everything.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I enjoyed life, I enjoyed everything, but hey, when it
comes to football, I am truly wonder one of the
masters of the craft of football.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hey man, you know, how where did it? Like? I
know for me because there was a point.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
In time my level of athleticism and the things that
I did, it was mirrored. I married you like I
was trying to match and do better every every single
thing that you did. If it was running the forty,
I'm gonna try to run a faster forty than you.
If it was getting to the quarterback, I'm gonna try
to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If it's how I feel after I get to the.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Quarterback and what I'm feeling and the intensity of what
I'm approaching, I try to match or be better than
what you were.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
That was my motivation. What was yours?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, I know, I guess I just wanted to be
the best player I could be. And you know, when
I first came into the league, I have bill for
ourselves and built for ourselves. Used to ride my ass
all the time, and so we got it straight that
it wasn't his team, it's my team.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So let's get that part of it let's get business together.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And I tell you, I enjoyed playing with the guys
that I played with. I enjoyed Harry Carson, George Crian Kelly,
I'm enjoyed Carl Banks. I enjoyed Pepper Johnson, Brad Van Pelt,
enjoyed my deg on linebacker's group. And when I came
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to the team, they were already one of the best
linebacker groups. They didn't need another linebacker.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Then I came to the team and they found out
they did. Who didn't need you, right, who couldn't use you?
I'm just very appreciative that of the guys that I
played with, and you know, they helped me, helped me
do what I do.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Let me ask you this one last thing before I
let you go, because this is something I've always and
you may be able to relate to this and you
may not.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But for me, during my career, I never got the
credit of being someone who studied the game. And what
I did self study and approached the game from what
they would call the students perspective. They always said, what
an athlete? What an athlete? What an athlete? What was
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your approach in terms of how you went into the
games and how you you know, whatever your opponent was
going to be, how did you approach your preparation towards
the week? Because to do what you do and to
do what you did it was brilliant. There's nothing short
of brilliant what you were doing on the field. And
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that doesn't that's not by luck, that's not you can't
do what you were doing by luck. What was your like,
what what was your mindset going.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Into the game? You got it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You had to understand Bill Parcells, great coach, great coach.
And when I came into the came into the league,
Bill wanted me to be a traditional linebacker.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Dropped back in the past.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
All that I can't do all that, right, you know,
I can drive back into in the past. And yet
but hey, seatball, go get set ball, get ball. Yeah,
and that's that's that's that's what and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I tell guys all the time, Hey, And I've had
the guys that play with me and and they'll say, hey,
you know, I my man, I got my man, make
your defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Your man got the got the ball, So listen, get
to the ball, get to the ball, right.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
So and and I I found out that if you
anybody can make a tackle, but if you can cause chaos,
if you can cause the fumble, you can cause this
if you or when they think they got the first
of them, you can put them back.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Anybody can do that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But when you when you're doing that, when you'll become
a player that you're making things happen. Because I'm already
like I'm going to going that bath from the quarterback.
I'm coming up from the backside way. He already can't see.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Me, right, so listen, and he got the ball right there,
so I'm gonna get the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Let me go get the ball, right, you know, I
mean that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And then common sense, just simple common sense.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
If I started calling the strip rule and then all
of a sudden they started coaching the strip stripper because
it was it was just added, well, I got I
got to be here anywhere, I just won't work. Why
net work?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I had to deal with tight ends because of you. Yeah,
thank you. They started using more tight ends because because
of what you was doing. Why could I just have
a tackle ship?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
My first year I had a running back was the
first three games I had a runner.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They were sending running backs out to block. You can't happen. Ever,
he can't have it. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's Lord's Taylor Man, my favorite player, probably the most
influential player over my career. I have the pleasure and
the joy to interview the mister master Greg Lloyd.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Og?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
What's up? La?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
How's it going? Bud Man? Happy to have you on,
Happy to get some time to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Likewise, likewise, I appreciate your having me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All you might have already answered, but and I feel
like you may have, but I want to give you
the opportunity to answer it. I ask every legend, what
what do you want your legacy to be? When people
speak on you long after you cease to exist here?
(09:23):
What is it that you wanted your legacy to linger on?
What is it that you wanted people to say about
Greg Lloyd?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Well, I'm going to say this when it comes to linebackers,
and especially still as linebackers, but when it comes to
linebackers in general, when they start speaking to linebackers in
the NFL, if my name, if my name doesn't get mentioned,
then I didn't do my job.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So you got to do your job, so well, I
tried to do that job, so the work's been done,
can undo it. But when you start talking about linebackers,
and you know, especially linebackers of the past, I mean,
at some point I was number one, number two or
number three linebacker, you know, in the nineties you're talking
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about DT and say, y'all you know at that point
and you know, depends on who's writing a magazine and
who was talking and who was a fan. You know,
you won two or three. And in my head, I've
always thought I was one. You know, I've always thought
I was one. Very was very good friends with my
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two deceased you know, buddies Derrick Thomas and.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And uh and Julie say, it's like, you know, all
my great friends, it's like.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
They all passed away, you know, and the more than
nine to one, so no competition. It was just that
I did things different because again they had the opportunity
to rush every down where I got it. I got
a cover, I got a car. I was cover linebacker.
But I would want people to think that, you know,
what a legacy for Greg Laws would be.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
You know, he gave you everything and every.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Down, and you know, don't don't don't don't line up
in front of him, and and and uh and not
be ready to play because he'll embarrass it, you know
kind of thing. So my legacy, you know, you're going
back to Steelers and.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
When you start talking still a linebackers, when your name
get mentioned with Jack Lambert's and your name get mentioned
with you know, uh uh Jack jod ham On it
put that I gotta do it, I gotta I gotta
call him Hammer or your name get mentioned with Hammer
and your name is mentioned with you know, you know, uh,
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all the all all the great linebackers that came through there,
When your name get mentioned with those guys, man, I
mean that that that in itself is a is a
Pittsburgh legacy, but a legacy throughout the league. I know
when I was playing, like I said, I played against
and with some great guys, and you know, I think
all of us at some point there was nobody that
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I thought that was better than me, you know, And
I never put myself out there to be better than anybody,
but I played that way and I played that way
because of this, because that's where I went to school
at and I had to keep proving the people that, yes,
it's an HBCU historically black college. We play football, but
guess what, we're not on television, but we got this.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
And if you put us and if you put.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Us somewhere in the forest, somewhere in the woods and
you drop us off, or we're coming out, we're coming
out with food for everybody. Were coming out and we're
gonna come out with food. So that's what I wanted
to do. And I think that's I think that's what
I did. You know, so leaving a legacy of Fort Valley,
a legacy at Fort Valley State College leagags and linebackers,
and then the legacy and listen in the nineties, man,
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we had so many great linebackers. Man, but to be
in that always in that top three, I think I
think that that that does it for me. So you know,
for me, man, that's just you know, there ain't one
other thing that they can honor me with, you know,
they need.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
If they had so if they have social media, are
you in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Oh, five years ten years ago, ten years ago? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Because again you're no different like like they I look
at how they talk about Aaron Donald, right, yeah, right,
and how he's quiet. Yeah, but I mean you gotta believe,
you gotta believe the DNA of how Aaron Donald is
and how he does things and how he moves.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
He's a descendant of the brain of Greg Lloyd. We
all are, we are, we all are.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Right right because you see it when he lose it,
he lose it. Oh yeah, when he lose it. I
was the same way when he loses and lose it.
But see again, like I said, I think social media
is a great thing for and it's a great tool
to be used, you know, in its proper place. I
just think that if we abuse it, if we take it,
and we say and you have the wrong people saying
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see lebar arige, and you can say that guy right
there is a great player. Why you played the game?
You understand you played against great player. You were a
great player. You played against great player. You've been on
the team with great players. So you understand what that
word great player mean. It shouldn't come It shouldn't come
out of your mouth like go brush your teeth.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
It shouldn't come out. It shouldn't come out of your
mouth like that.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And so my thing of it is because a guy
made a good play in a game.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know, maybe it was a great play, but that
does not equate to great player.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It does not great equate to a career of being
a great player. It was a great play, it was
you know, it may have been a great play. He
had a great play. But see, my thing was this
regular and I and I say.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
This, and I know you gotta go no, no, I said,
I said this.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I used to say this to the guys when I
coached in Tampa with Rohee Martins, the head coach I
coached in Tampa, I have to coach linebacker.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
M HM. I used to tell linebackers all the time.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You want to be in this league, here's what you
gotta do every day in practice and in every game.
There's two plays that you got to make. And then
there's two plays you ain't got no freaking business making.
So if you can make four plays, two plays that
you know in practice, you know how they scrip them
out in practice. They scripple the player at you. They
scripple the player at me because they know that they
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like to run this play. And then you got something
funk it that you do and you need to be
able to get this read. So boom here, come to play,
le bar boom.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
You made the play. Okay, so the bar's got that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
It ain't nowhere because they gonna probably give it to
you a get But come and come game. You made
the play in practw come game. You see that when
you make the play boom, All right, lebar got But
then there's also two plays that you got no business making.
That's when you take that tight end throwing down, hit
that full bag, reach out there and grab that guard,
and then reach around and grab that guy. They go,
God damn, the bar took on the tight end, the
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full back came down, hit him with his shoulder, reached
over and grabbed the guard and then top of the
guard or what were the other fuckers doing? What would
all the other fucker's doing? That's that's your guy. I
want to that's three more. That's three guys. That's three
three what would they right? And you make great play,
you see what I'm saying. That's a great play, you know,
and you make one more like that? So you don't
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made two plays you got you know, got no business making.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And you don't mean to. I mean what you.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Got to do that every week? That every week, that's
the definition of greatness. You gotta do it all the time.
Wee kid and week out.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I'm not talking about a guy shows up for one
season and then the next season you go, well, is
he still the league? Who's he playing with? They said,
oh no, he's still playing for the same thing. He's like, whit,
I ain't hurt nothing about him this year because he
thought they ship didn't stink last year, and then this
year he didn't go and do he didn't go put
the work there because he figured that one year will
get him a contract. Because you realize, guys, now, five
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five sacks, that's considered a great season.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yes, yes, don't.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
You laugh at that ship? Yes that was a fucking
joke in our day. Bro, Yes, that was a joke
in our day. You know, but five sacks. Guys go
five sacks and oh man, you know he's gotten now
we're gonna give him seventy million dollars. They got me
fucking kidding me.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
But they couldn't afford us. They couldn't afford you think
they could afford me? Kevin Green, labarn kirklind Chad Brown,
Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake and Joele Steed and they couldn't
afford us. They couldn't afford to keep us all together.
But the way we played the game, we opened the
doors for these guys. And I don't want anybody who
see this to think that we're hating. It's just that
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it's a respect thing. It's a mentality, and the mentality
was defensive guys were getting on offensive guys and tell
an offensive guy, y'all get y'all shit together, you know,
and stuff like this right here, or like me, I
would tell the money and them the money, and then
would go out on the field and they would, you know,
they would get a fumble or something like that, and
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they be coming out of field and the body, you
know what, the nicest person in the world the money do,
nicest person in the world. You can't out nice the money.
You came out nice for one of the nice people
in the world. He'd be walking out the field go, oh, brother, Greg,
he's a brother, Greg. Oh man, we're gonna get that back.
And I would turn around look at him and I said, Hey,
I'm glad y'all fumbled, because didn't nobody come to watch
y'all ask anyway they come to watch y'all, so you
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see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
It's a mentality. You see what I'm saying. It's a mentality.
You sit on the sideline and you go, I'm waiting these.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Players. Funle it again. Sweet here, it will work.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
They come to watch us, they din't come to watch you. God,
So y'all get off the field so people can come
watching with the real show here. Now, I wasn't saying
it in a disrespectful way. I'm saying in a way like, Okay,
you know, I can really take these guys if I
want to, and I don't want to do it to
my teammates, but I got how do you spend something
positive off of something that, you know, go go to
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Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Come up though, you gotta accept the.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Challenge on that exactly, exactly accept that challenge.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
It's all head games, man, That's all right. It's just
head game, you know. And so the thing about it
is like if somebody tell me that, if you tell me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
That you walking up the field, you go, y'all get
y'all pure. Nobody couldn't watch oll.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I was like, dude, I'm either getting kicked out of
the game, I'm thrown thrown out of the game. I'm
getting to a fight very next play, very next play.
That's how it's gonna be.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
But it doesn't. It doesn't resonate, you know, with these guys.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And I understand that rules have changed and stuff like that,
but has the heart change? Has a heart change? What
makes you not want to make that guy in front
of you quit playing football?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
You ain't got to play dirty. You just beat him ass.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
He just beat his ass every play, talk shit to
him going but oh you can't talk shit no more
because it's called taunting.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
You can't go over there, you can't jog.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Around the field doing doing warm up to tell the quarter.
But hey, every time I run by here, motherfucker, you're
gonna shut it because when when the real ship.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Start, you know, ain't nobody gonna be you know, I
can't nobody say. You know, we used to say stuff
like that, man, y'all crazy. Yeah, we used to do
that because that was real football. It was real football then,
you know.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And if you can't, if you out here playing a
man's game and somebody run dry water, you know, running
through the field, say something crazy to you and you.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Go nut up, that's on you, That's right, that's on you.
That's why we heard of it.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But that's why we have a training camp to get
rid of motherfuckers like that.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
That's right, you feel me. That's what training camp is about.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Training campra is about getting rid of all these motherfuckers
who think they want to play football.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And then you just line to the next day you
be like, somebody messing, I can have grown ass man?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
See this is this? This is something that people.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Don't talk about. How can have grown as man? Think
about this? L most of your life, you don't want
to be an NFL player, right, NFL football player? You
get somebody says, hey, even if you don't get drafted,
somebody invites you to that training camp. Parents and everybody,
girlfriends being to say, wife, whatever, you got you going?
Speaker 7 (20:50):
And then this one day you show up and they
said did you get cut?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They're like, you know, well, while you're there, how do
you go home and tell Mama and the I'm to
fetch you fucking quit?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Quit?
Speaker 7 (21:04):
How do you go and tell somebody you quit?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
This was something that you've been training for since you
were six fricking years old, and you walk out of
training cat and you quit
This is up on Game Presents Conversations with a Legend,
Best of Show with LeVar Errington, and LeVar is sitting
down with some of the legends you have watched on
and off the field. This is up on Game Presents
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Conversations with a Legend, Best of Show. And now here's
LeVar Errington.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What's up, everybody? LeVar Arrington here Fox Sports Radio. Up
on Game Conversations with a Legend. This is actually the
most impactful one I'll ever do during the course of
my time ever doing an interview.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
My favorite outside of Greg Lloyd.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Greg Lloyd is somebody that I love playing watching when
I grew up. But when it comes down to it,
there was one dude that was the gold standard of
what it represented, played the position that I played, and
we were all measured and we continue to still all
be measured by that standard the way he created. The
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goat of goats is Lawrence Taylor. Some of y'all may
know him as LT. You're in conversations with a legend.
I mean, I gotta say, listen, I don't get I
don't do the starstruck thing, but I just get weird
like like cause you're Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
How does that right? Like? Every day you have heard that? Right?
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The first thing I got to ask you is because
for my entire life, I've always mentored and I've given back,
and I've tried to be a positive example to two guys.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You are the standard. We're all if you do anything
that's phenomenal. The first thing they're going to say.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Is there's a couple guys that they'll mention from from positions,
but as it applies to linebacker, your name is the
first name that always comes up.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
What's that like? What's that like? Knowing that you are
you are the standard?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's not there, there is a standard and maybe you
try to be good, you are the standard.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, I mean, I'm appreciated now that I am this
standard as you as you put it, But it didn't
start out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I at the work for it, at the you know,
train for it.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
My father used to tell me, listen, hey, you know
you gotta be better just to be equal. So listen,
you gotta go out there and do more on the
football film. That's what I did. I truly enjoyed the
game when I was playing, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Shot I enjoyed everything.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I enjoyed life, I enjoyed everything, but hey, when it
comes to football, I am truly wonder one of the
masters of the craft of football.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Hey man, you know, how where did it? Like? I
know for me because there was a point.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
In time my level of athleticism and the things that
I did, it was mirrored. I married you like I
was trying to match and do better every every single
thing that you did. If it was running the forty,
I'm gonna try to run a faster forty than you.
If it was getting to the quarterback, I'm gonna try
to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
If it's how I feel after I get to the.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Quarterback and what I'm feeling and the intensity of what
I'm approaching, I try to match or be better than
what you were.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
That was my motivation. What was yours?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, I know, I guess I just wanted to be
the best player I could be. And you know, when
I first came into the league, I have bill for
ourselves and built for ourselves. Used to ride my ass
all the time, and so we got it straight that
it wasn't his team, it's my team.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So let's get that part of it let's get business together.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And I tell you, I enjoyed playing with the guys
that I played with. I enjoyed Harry Carson, George Crian Kelly,
I'm enjoyed Carl Banks. I enjoyed Pepper Johnson, Brad Van Pelt,
enjoyed my deg on linebacker's group. And when I came
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to the team, they were already one of the best
linebacker groups. They didn't need another linebacker.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Then I came to the team and they found out
they did. Who didn't need you, right, who couldn't use you?
I'm just very appreciative that of the guys that I
played with, and you know, they helped me, helped me
do what I do.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Let me ask you this one last thing before I
let you go, because this is something I've always and
you may be able to relate to this and you
may not.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But for me, during my career, I never got the
credit of being someone who studied the game. And what
I did self study and approached the game from what
they would call the students perspective. They always said, what
an athlete? What an athlete? What an athlete? What was
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your approach in terms of how you went into the
games and how you you know, whatever your opponent was
going to be, how did you approach your preparation towards
the week? Because to do what you do and to
do what you did it was brilliant. There's nothing short
of brilliant what you were doing on the field. And
(06:11):
that doesn't that's not by luck, that's not you can't
do what you were doing by luck. What was your like,
what what was your mindset going.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Into the game? You got it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You had to understand Bill Parcells, great coach, great coach.
And when I came into the came into the league,
Bill wanted me to be a traditional linebacker.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Dropped back in the past.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
All that I can't do all that, right, you know,
I can drive back into in the past. And yet
but hey, seatball, go get set ball, get ball. Yeah,
and that's that's that's that's what and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I tell guys all the time, Hey, And I've had
the guys that play with me and and they'll say, hey,
you know, I my man, I got my man, make
your defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Your man got the got the ball, So listen, get
to the ball, get to the ball, right.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
So and and I I found out that if you
anybody can make a tackle, but if you can cause chaos,
if you can cause the fumble, you can cause this
if you or when they think they got the first
of them, you can put them back.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Anybody can do that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But when you when you're doing that, when you'll become
a player that you're making things happen. Because I'm already
like I'm going to going that bath from the quarterback.
I'm coming up from the backside way. He already can't see.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Me, right, so listen, and he got the ball right there,
so I'm gonna get the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Let me go get the ball, right, you know, I
mean that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And then common sense, just simple common sense.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
If I started calling the strip rule and then all
of a sudden they started coaching the strip stripper because
it was it was just added, well, I got I
got to be here anywhere, I just won't work. Why
net work?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I had to deal with tight ends because of you. Yeah,
thank you. They started using more tight ends because because
of what you was doing. Why could I just have
a tackle ship?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
My first year I had a running back was the
first three games I had a runner.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They were sending running backs out to block. You can't happen. Ever,
he can't have it. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's Lord's Taylor Man, my favorite player, probably the most
influential player over my career. I have the pleasure and
the joy to interview the mister master Greg Lloyd.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Og?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
What's up? La?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
How's it going? Bud Man? Happy to have you on,
Happy to get some time to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Likewise, likewise, I appreciate your having me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All you might have already answered, but and I feel
like you may have, but I want to give you
the opportunity to answer it. I ask every legend, what
what do you want your legacy to be? When people
speak on you long after you cease to exist here?
(09:23):
What is it that you wanted your legacy to linger on?
What is it that you wanted people to say about
Greg Lloyd?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Well, I'm going to say this when it comes to linebackers,
and especially still as linebackers, but when it comes to
linebackers in general, when they start speaking to linebackers in
the NFL, if my name, if my name doesn't get mentioned,
then I didn't do my job.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So you got to do your job, so well, I
tried to do that job, so the work's been done,
can undo it. But when you start talking about linebackers,
and you know, especially linebackers of the past, I mean,
at some point I was number one, number two or
number three linebacker, you know, in the nineties you're talking
(10:11):
about DT and say, y'all you know at that point
and you know, depends on who's writing a magazine and
who was talking and who was a fan. You know,
you won two or three. And in my head, I've
always thought I was one. You know, I've always thought
I was one. Very was very good friends with my
(10:32):
two deceased you know, buddies Derrick Thomas and.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And uh and Julie say, it's like, you know, all
my great friends, it's like.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
They all passed away, you know, and the more than
nine to one, so no competition. It was just that
I did things different because again they had the opportunity
to rush every down where I got it. I got
a cover, I got a car. I was cover linebacker.
But I would want people to think that, you know,
what a legacy for Greg Laws would be.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
You know, he gave you everything and every.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Down, and you know, don't don't don't don't line up
in front of him, and and and uh and not
be ready to play because he'll embarrass it, you know
kind of thing. So my legacy, you know, you're going
back to Steelers and.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
When you start talking still a linebackers, when your name
get mentioned with Jack Lambert's and your name get mentioned
with you know, uh uh Jack jod ham On it
put that I gotta do it, I gotta I gotta
call him Hammer or your name get mentioned with Hammer
and your name is mentioned with you know, you know, uh,
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all the all all the great linebackers that came through there,
When your name get mentioned with those guys, man, I
mean that that that in itself is a is a
Pittsburgh legacy, but a legacy throughout the league. I know
when I was playing, like I said, I played against
and with some great guys, and you know, I think
all of us at some point there was nobody that
(12:01):
I thought that was better than me, you know, And
I never put myself out there to be better than anybody,
but I played that way and I played that way
because of this, because that's where I went to school
at and I had to keep proving the people that, yes,
it's an HBCU historically black college. We play football, but
guess what, we're not on television, but we got this.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
And if you put us and if you put.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Us somewhere in the forest, somewhere in the woods and
you drop us off, or we're coming out, we're coming
out with food for everybody. Were coming out and we're
gonna come out with food. So that's what I wanted
to do. And I think that's I think that's what
I did. You know, so leaving a legacy of Fort Valley,
a legacy at Fort Valley State College leagags and linebackers,
and then the legacy and listen in the nineties, man,
(12:45):
we had so many great linebackers. Man, but to be
in that always in that top three, I think I
think that that that does it for me. So you know,
for me, man, that's just you know, there ain't one
other thing that they can honor me with, you know,
they need.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
If they had so if they have social media, are
you in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Oh, five years ten years ago, ten years ago? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Because again you're no different like like they I look
at how they talk about Aaron Donald, right, yeah, right,
and how he's quiet. Yeah, but I mean you gotta believe,
you gotta believe the DNA of how Aaron Donald is
and how he does things and how he moves.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
He's a descendant of the brain of Greg Lloyd. We
all are, we are, we all are.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Right right because you see it when he lose it,
he lose it. Oh yeah, when he lose it. I
was the same way when he loses and lose it.
But see again, like I said, I think social media
is a great thing for and it's a great tool
to be used, you know, in its proper place. I
just think that if we abuse it, if we take it,
and we say and you have the wrong people saying
(13:55):
see lebar arige, and you can say that guy right
there is a great player. Why you played the game?
You understand you played against great player. You were a
great player. You played against great player. You've been on
the team with great players. So you understand what that
word great player mean. It shouldn't come It shouldn't come
out of your mouth like go brush your teeth.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
It shouldn't come out. It shouldn't come out of your
mouth like that.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And so my thing of it is because a guy
made a good play in a game.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know, maybe it was a great play, but that
does not equate to great player.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
It does not great equate to a career of being
a great player. It was a great play, it was
you know, it may have been a great play. He
had a great play. But see, my thing was this
regular and I and I say.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
This, and I know you gotta go no, no, I said,
I said this.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I used to say this to the guys when I
coached in Tampa with Rohee Martins, the head coach I
coached in Tampa, I have to coach linebacker.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
M HM. I used to tell linebackers all the time.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You want to be in this league, here's what you
gotta do every day in practice and in every game.
There's two plays that you got to make. And then
there's two plays you ain't got no freaking business making.
So if you can make four plays, two plays that
you know in practice, you know how they scrip them
out in practice. They scripple the player at you. They
scripple the player at me because they know that they
(15:16):
like to run this play. And then you got something
funk it that you do and you need to be
able to get this read. So boom here, come to play,
le bar boom.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
You made the play. Okay, so the bar's got that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
It ain't nowhere because they gonna probably give it to
you a get But come and come game. You made
the play in practw come game. You see that when
you make the play boom, All right, lebar got But
then there's also two plays that you got no business making.
That's when you take that tight end throwing down, hit
that full bag, reach out there and grab that guard,
and then reach around and grab that guy. They go,
God damn, the bar took on the tight end, the
(15:46):
full back came down, hit him with his shoulder, reached
over and grabbed the guard and then top of the
guard or what were the other fuckers doing? What would
all the other fucker's doing? That's that's your guy. I
want to that's three more. That's three guys. That's three
three what would they right? And you make great play,
you see what I'm saying. That's a great play, you know,
and you make one more like that? So you don't
(16:08):
made two plays you got you know, got no business making.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And you don't mean to. I mean what you.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Got to do that every week? That every week, that's
the definition of greatness. You gotta do it all the time.
Wee kid and week out.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I'm not talking about a guy shows up for one
season and then the next season you go, well, is
he still the league? Who's he playing with? They said,
oh no, he's still playing for the same thing. He's like, whit,
I ain't hurt nothing about him this year because he
thought they ship didn't stink last year, and then this
year he didn't go and do he didn't go put
the work there because he figured that one year will
get him a contract. Because you realize, guys, now, five
(16:43):
five sacks, that's considered a great season.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yes, yes, don't.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
You laugh at that ship? Yes that was a fucking
joke in our day. Bro, Yes, that was a joke
in our day. You know, but five sacks. Guys go
five sacks and oh man, you know he's gotten now
we're gonna give him seventy million dollars. They got me
fucking kidding me.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
But they couldn't afford us. They couldn't afford you think
they could afford me? Kevin Green, labarn kirklind Chad Brown,
Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake and Joele Steed and they couldn't
afford us. They couldn't afford to keep us all together.
But the way we played the game, we opened the
doors for these guys. And I don't want anybody who
see this to think that we're hating. It's just that
(17:28):
it's a respect thing. It's a mentality, and the mentality
was defensive guys were getting on offensive guys and tell
an offensive guy, y'all get y'all shit together, you know,
and stuff like this right here, or like me, I
would tell the money and them the money, and then
would go out on the field and they would, you know,
they would get a fumble or something like that, and
(17:48):
they be coming out of field and the body, you
know what, the nicest person in the world the money do,
nicest person in the world. You can't out nice the money.
You came out nice for one of the nice people
in the world. He'd be walking out the field go, oh, brother, Greg,
he's a brother, Greg. Oh man, we're gonna get that back.
And I would turn around look at him and I said, Hey,
I'm glad y'all fumbled, because didn't nobody come to watch
y'all ask anyway they come to watch y'all, so you
(18:14):
see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
It's a mentality. You see what I'm saying. It's a mentality.
You sit on the sideline and you go, I'm waiting these.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Players. Funle it again. Sweet here, it will work.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
They come to watch us, they din't come to watch you. God,
So y'all get off the field so people can come
watching with the real show here. Now, I wasn't saying
it in a disrespectful way. I'm saying in a way like, Okay,
you know, I can really take these guys if I
want to, and I don't want to do it to
my teammates, but I got how do you spend something
positive off of something that, you know, go go to
(18:51):
Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Come up though, you gotta accept the.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Challenge on that exactly, exactly accept that challenge.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
It's all head games, man, That's all right. It's just
head game, you know. And so the thing about it
is like if somebody tell me that, if you tell me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
That you walking up the field, you go, y'all get
y'all pure. Nobody couldn't watch oll.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I was like, dude, I'm either getting kicked out of
the game, I'm thrown thrown out of the game. I'm
getting to a fight very next play, very next play.
That's how it's gonna be.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
But it doesn't. It doesn't resonate, you know, with these guys.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
And I understand that rules have changed and stuff like that,
but has the heart change? Has a heart change? What
makes you not want to make that guy in front
of you quit playing football?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
You ain't got to play dirty. You just beat him ass.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
He just beat his ass every play, talk shit to
him going but oh you can't talk shit no more
because it's called taunting.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
You can't go over there, you can't jog.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Around the field doing doing warm up to tell the quarter.
But hey, every time I run by here, motherfucker, you're
gonna shut it because when when the real ship.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Start, you know, ain't nobody gonna be you know, I
can't nobody say. You know, we used to say stuff
like that, man, y'all crazy. Yeah, we used to do
that because that was real football. It was real football then,
you know.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
And if you can't, if you out here playing a
man's game and somebody run dry water, you know, running
through the field, say something crazy to you and you.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Go nut up, that's on you, That's right, that's on you.
That's why we heard of it.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But that's why we have a training camp to get
rid of motherfuckers like that.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
That's right, you feel me. That's what training camp is about.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Training campra is about getting rid of all these motherfuckers
who think they want to play football.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
And then you just line to the next day you
be like, somebody messing, I can have grown ass man?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
See this is this? This is something that people.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Don't talk about. How can have grown as man? Think
about this? L most of your life, you don't want
to be an NFL player, right, NFL football player? You
get somebody says, hey, even if you don't get drafted,
somebody invites you to that training camp. Parents and everybody,
girlfriends being to say, wife, whatever, you got you going?
Speaker 7 (20:50):
And then this one day you show up and they
said did you get cut?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
They're like, you know, well, while you're there, how do
you go home and tell Mama and the I'm to
fetch you fucking quit?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Quit?
Speaker 7 (21:04):
How do you go and tell somebody you quit?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
This was something that you've been training for since you
were six fricking years old, and you walk out of
training cat and you quit
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