BONUS: Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 15 2025 - Verdict with Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. I am a dad,
So now I've got two dads talking to you here
on the show. Clay an old, grizzled, grizzled veteran of fatherhood,
me gray Beard. I'm a rookie to this fatherhood thing,
but I have to tell you I absolutely love it,

(00:21):
and I appreciate so much all of the just the
kind words and well wishes and everything from the moms
and dads out there and everybody who were so kind.
As I was out for a few days carry my
wife a total trooper, never lost her temper, never was
anything other than upbeat during it was pretty long, pretty

(00:41):
long time in the hospital, but she was gonna say
we got through it. She got through it. I was
there for moral support. And the only thing I learned
is probably next time, wait until my wife is out
of the hospital before I'm like, when can we have more?
So I was like, can we do two or three
of these? This is awesome? So yes, the baby thing
is incredible. And if I seem a little even more

(01:03):
upbeat and a bulliont about the future than ever, it's
because well, you all, those of you who have had kids,
you know exactly what I'm talking about it, and the
grandparents out there, you know that you just it just
kind of puts you in a frame of mind, in
a mood. So everything is great, Carrie's doing fantastically, babies adorable, healthy,
Everything is great. Thank you so much, Clay, thank you
for rocking out. I was listening when I was out

(01:24):
because you know, as one does when you're just sitting
around in the hospital. Talk radio is like your salvation
when you are stuck in a hospital room for hours,
hours and hours on end. So I was listening to
the podcasts and stuff, great shows, and I say, we
just jump right into it, and if you guys want
to talk more, talk more fatherhood ideas or the first
few weeks or anything, we can just throw that into

(01:44):
the mix as we go. But yes, I'm in kind
of a like walking on cloud a cloud nine attitude,
as I'm sure you all understanding. It was fantastic, but
we got a country to save and we got a
lot of things going on as well. So let's just
lay out there that we'll discuss this this situation, Clay,
of this individual who has been sent the case of

(02:06):
Guilmar Abrago Garcia, who has been sent to El Salvador,
and now it's in the it's in the courts, and
the Libs are saying Trump has to bring him back,
and Trump's like, that's foreign policy related to judge can't
actually review it, so we'll discuss this. I think it's
very interesting. I also threw out an idea on Twitter
which I don't think is crazy. Maybe this is crazy,

(02:27):
but I don't think this is crazy. Trump Trump International
El Salvador. I think it would send such a signal
this country is incredibly safe. He's talked about it in Gaza,
for Heaven's sakes, which is not incredibly safe. I think
that this would send such a signal that great allies
of the United States, people that make the right decisions,
and I think it's a lovely place. The problem with

(02:49):
El Salvador used to be that was the murder capital
of the world per capita, or in the top three.
Now it's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. So
I think time to start putting in some form investment.
I think the Trump International or whatever they want to
call a Trump sen Salvador would be a pretty cool.
So if anyone has a line into Eric Trump at
the Trump organization, I just think it's an interesting idea.

(03:10):
But Clay I wanted to start with this one. The
Trump let's just say what it is, the Trump War
on woe campuses, and Harvard University has found out that
Trump administration is going to freeze two billion dollars that
had been committed to this. It is tax day today,
which we'll talk more about. So, as Clay blearned out

(03:32):
to me before the show, I think this is a
particularly worthwhile time for us to say, hold on a second.
So the government backs the student loans with you know,
with no risk to these institutions whatsoever, and so that
lets them jack up the tuition endlessly. When my dad

(03:52):
went to Harvard Business School, clay and was he was
a doc boy that's what they called them, and waiting
tables over the summer to make money to pay, and
you could where the Business school was like two grand
for the year for the semester. This is obviously like
nineteen seventy. But now these schools are eighty grand, seventy five,
eighty grand a year. It's outrageous. And on top of that,

(04:13):
they're getting billions of dollars of research money, and they're
left wing lunacy factories. I like that Harvard and a
bunch of other schools are getting some heat from the
Trump team and that this is a real initiative. They're
not just coming up with this ad hoc. They want
to make universities abide by the spirit of not only
the Constitution, but the American ethos. This is where Hillsdale

(04:36):
College gets it right. And I'm not saying that just
because they're a sponsor. I love a lot of what
they put out into the educational ecosystem on a variety
of different levels.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
But think about this. It is tax day, and I'm
sure many of you are, like me, stroking checks that
you don't want to stroke to send to a government
that you feel is likely to be wasting the money
that you are giving them, and that you could spend
that money, or save that money, or utilize that money
that you earned better than the government could. I am
with you. Our tax rates are far too high. Okay,

(05:08):
with that being said, colleges right now, colleges.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Get a team.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but
I think this is pretty much true everywhere they get
tens of billions of dollars in direct cash payments from
the American taxpayer. That should end, and we'll talk about
that in a moment. But we're giving them property tax
subsidies in almost every city and state, and we are

(05:33):
giving them tax exemption, meaning that their endowments can grow
without having to be taxed in the same way that
yours and minds earnings are taxed. If you give them
property tax exemptions and you give them not for profit
status so they don't have to pay taxes, the taxpayers

(05:54):
are already subsidizing colleges and universities to a massive degree.
To build on what Buck said, then we all subsidized
student loans and try to take the risk from the
university itself and place it on the American taxpayer, our government.
Why in the world are we also giving them tens
of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies. I don't think

(06:16):
any college or university should get any of our taxpayer dollars.
I think a subsidy on property taxes and on not
for profit status should give them plenty plus their endowments.
Let them actually deal with their own cost structure, right.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean, there are limits on these things. Right, you
think about religious institutions, they are tax exempt, but you
tend to under people understand why proselytizing, for example, if
that's if the government was funding that, there'd be an issue, right, well,
why are universities getting all this money that they can
then use to pay salaries, administrative costs, all this other

(06:53):
They say it's for research, as if they're all running DARPA,
you know, Defense Advanced Research Project Agency out of the
Pentagon figuring out how to give site to the blind.
Really important, amazing stuff. I guarantee. If you think there's fraud,
waste and abuse in the federal government, just wait until
you see what the administrative staffs of universities have turned into.

(07:13):
This has been true across education. By the way, my
friend Ines Felcher has done great work on this clay
something like administrative headcount. And this is true from nursery
and you know, public schools and you know the very
beginning of education all the way up through universities and
PhD programs. Administrative staff has grown at breakneck pace in

(07:35):
the last twenty or so years, like six times what
actual teaching staff has. So whatever you think about how
fast teaching staff is growing, and the administrative staff. And
this is where you get DEI this is where you
I mean meaning people that that's their job. We had
diversity deans at my college. That was an actual job title,

(07:56):
and there were a lot of them, and their job
was to just march around and make sure that you
never said a naughty thing or took a non approved
position in public on the town square in the college
green or you'd be in trouble. You'd have to go
to re education camp. And which did happen to people?
I might add that was one of the punishments you'd
have to go and do like sensitivity training essentially clay.

(08:16):
And you know the other part of this that I
love is the so yes, the tax A lot of
you are saying, why are my tax dollars going to
subsidize Harvard has a what's the endowment? Sixty billion dollars
something like.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I was talking about that yesterday and I meant to
wok up with the heart. I'm gonna look it up
right now, because again, the otrageous yes, yes, I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
This is this is an amazing amount of money that
they have piled. The three billion as of last year
that's astonishing, astonishing, And so you sit here and you say, well,
hold on a second. You're as you're getting ready to
you know, or hopefully you've already got it in. But
if you're getting in the last minute, pay your taxes,
and you're trying to make ends meet Harvard with its

(08:57):
tens of billions of dollars sitting in the bank and
all these bloated salaries for professors who maybe teach a
class once a week and take sabbaticals of a year
where they get paid, and all the I mean, the
waste and everything in this is met. The other part
of this play is the university system. We have to
be on the same way that federal bureaucracy has become
a province of the left and essentially a form of

(09:21):
permanent left wing governance. That is, that is not about elections, right.
The federal bureaucracy, if you the EPA until Trump came along,
was democrats getting what they want, whether it was a
Republican or a Democrat administration. The university system, it's the
same thing. It's no matter who wins, who loses, doesn't
change the faculty at Harvard, doesn't change the board of overseers,

(09:43):
and they are factories of the left wing insanity that
has infected so much of this country in recent years.
They're not teaching people important stuff. They're teaching people left
wing nonsense, and so I think it's time that they're
held to account.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I just think, at a bare minimum, if you want
to have complete independence, you should do what Hillsdale College did.
Harvard has fifty three billion dollars in their endowment. They
have Again, it's not like they have to pay a
massive amount of tax on that endowment.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Every year.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
They return around to eight nine ten percent probably a
year on average, so they're growing that at a five
billion dollars a year clip. I don't think that a
government should be in the business of dictating to colleges
exactly what they can do. But if you take our
taxpayer dollars, then the government does have a say in

(10:41):
what you do. I mean, that's been established for a
long time. Go back and read Bob Jones put in
my constitutional law hat when the government gives you money,
they have a right to be involved in the way
that you run your college and university. And I think
the biggest solution here as we sit on tax Day
is Why are we giving billions of dollars in subsidies,

(11:04):
tens of billions of dollars in direct cash subsidies from
our tax dollars to these universities. They should be able
to make their business, which is the university, work without
needing any money from the federal government at all. If
they can't, they got to cut back like most businesses
would that don't have tens of billions of dollars in
federal dollars coming in. And I know what they're going

(11:27):
to do now, They're say the research grants that they're
gonna they're gonna try to promote.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
The New York Times is going to come forward. Because
remember that this is this is this is like the
cathedral of the left. This is so important to them
to have dominance, not just of of education in a
broad sense, Clay, but of elite educational institutions. They have
seized so called elite. They have seized these places and
leveraged them for their own maximum benefit. They turn into

(11:53):
indoctrination factories for kids to come out with. Yeah, I
know not everybody I went to ammers. You know, you
went to you to law school at Vanderbilt, that you
can go to these places and not come out of communists.
But I'm sure Vanderbilt's probably well, I don't know how
left wing is Vanderbilt. I I think Vanderbilt is actually committed.
A credit to the new chancellor a Vanderbilt. They kicked

(12:14):
all the protesters out, they have the University of Chicago
Free Speech Code.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's been solidly committed. They just re signed the chancellor
for ten years. I'm really very confident in the direction
Vanderbilt's going, but I hope that other schools follow that lead.
And I don't think it's coincidental that Vanderbilt is able
to go that direction while being based in a state
like Tennessee. Well, I think the SEC schools in general,
buck are a little bit different than your northeastern Ivy

(12:41):
League schools.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
As the weather gets better, the schools get less insane.
Not always true, but you know, I know there's Duke
and there's some exceptions to this. But as things get warmer,
I think you tend to have less the most the
most radical stuff is in the Northeast. It's where I went,
It's in the areas where I went to school. That's
where you have the craziest stuff. Maybe the Pacific Northwest too,
But there's nothing that that really can compare to how

(13:02):
crazy those places are. How you know, Brown University, Wesleyan University,
these these institutions. But Clay I would just say, I
think this is this is important. You know, Stephen Miller
is reportedly very much involved with this working group that's
that's going after that, and I think it's it's necessary
to put these universities on notice. They've been engaged in racism.

(13:24):
According to the Supreme Court, they've been engaged in racism
for a long time. These are racist institutions that are
getting These are constitutional violators. They are violating the right
that all of us have to be judged not by
the color of our skin, but by the content of
our character or by our SAT scores. They are in
violation and still to this day, they're trying to just

(13:46):
pull all these games. So part of we can get
into some of what the Trump administration wants them. They
want an end to all DEI programs. This is to
continue to get federal funding. They want access to admission
records because they know that all these schools are just
they're ignoring the Supreme Court. They're just going to keep
doing what they did, which is making sure that they have,
you know, the percentage of black students they want, the

(14:07):
percentage of Native American students they want, and so on
and so forth. They're going to do that even though
that's a violation of what the Supreme Court has said.
So I think this is I think this is great,
and it also is going to change people's thinking because
one of the things, you know, Clay, I'll be honest
about this, whenever I would have I don't know what
your experience was with this, whenever. You know, earlier on
particularly my media career, like young conservators would reach out

(14:29):
to me. They would say, I have a professor who
is a communist, like I'm going to write a paper
that really tells him. And I said no. I said no,
because I want you to get the best possible. I'm
not saying don't lie, like, don't write things that you'd
be embarrassed by. But don't think you're going to die
on this hill and be a hero by getting an
f as a student at some school your parents are
paying god knows how much money to sent or that

(14:51):
you're taking out loans to go to get the best job.
You can be as successful as you can help change
the country when you get out of that place, because
you're not gonna to change it really effectively from the inside.
I think the mystique of a lot of these places
is fading, and that's part of the power the left
is counted on. Like, oh, I went to Harvard. Even
you look at something, the people want to Harvard there, morons,

(15:14):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Your wife went to the University of Florida. It's almost
impossible possible university.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
If we were just talking to one of our neighbors
whose boy wants to go there, and they're talking, they're
talking Ivy League equivalent SAT scores or act. I guess
if you're in the South Ivy League equivalent scores to
get into a University of Florida. Now everybody wants to
go University of Tennessee. Buck.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
When I was a kid, seventeen eighteen years old, you
basically had to have a pulse to get into the
University of Tennessee. They have tens of thousands of applicants.
Now it's become increasingly difficult to get in there. University
of Georgia, it's almost impossible, UF. I mean, what's happening
is people are voting with their actual dollars. And I'll
tell you this, When I was a kid, nobody from Chicago,

(15:57):
LA or New York City would brag about sending their
kid to an SEC school. Now they all do. It's
a major cultural shift.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton find them on the free
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back
in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us as we are rolling through the
program here. We've been breaking down a lot of different
stories out there. Buck back, new dad baby in the house.

(17:53):
Very exciting. We'll continue to talk about that. Appreciate all
the fabulous responses we've gotten so far. So Buck, I
want to hit this story because I think it's important
and I think it ties in with a little bit
about what we were discussing, which is the inability to
distinguish between good and evil. And in particular, this story
is from Texas, north of Dallas, I believe, Frisco, Texas.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And for those of you to not hear about this story.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
A seventeen year old, Austin Metcalf, was stabbed to death
at a track meet by another seventeen year old named
Carmelo Anthony. Anthony has been arrested. He's been charged with
the crime. He admits that he did it. It appears
that his argument is going to be predicated on some
form of self defense. In other words, there is no

(18:45):
disputing that he had a knife and that he stabbed
this kid in the heart and killed him. The seventeen
year old who was stabbed to death, Austin Metcalf, died
in his twin brother's arms. This is an awful story.
It has received a substantial amount of attention in the

(19:07):
wake of the stabbing. The family of Carmelo Anthony set
up a legal defense fund and it was hosted by
a individual company and that fund has raised over four
hundred thousand dollars. Now, to be fair, the company that

(19:29):
is allowing this fund to be raised is the same one.
Their position is, hey, you should be able to raise
money for your legal defense. We're not going to make
decisions based on what you're charged with, what your race is.
They are going to allow it to be set up
no matter what. So this is not GoFundMe. This is
another one. But he's raised over four hundred thousand dollars.

(19:53):
They just lowered his bail from one million dollars to
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars since you only have
to pay ten percent usually in order to get bail.
That's just twenty five k of the four hundred thousand
plus that has been raised for him. The family bought

(20:17):
a new house buck The family has reportedly bought a
new house with the four hundred thousand dollars that has
been raised for this seventeen year old who is accused
of in cold blood murdering another seventeen year old at
a track meet, stabbed him in the heart, killed him.

(20:39):
What does it say for society today? I think you
can tie this in with the Luigi Mangioni case. I
think you can tie it in with what happened on
October seventh. That someone can stab teenage boys, one can
stab the other one in the heart, and over four
hundred thousand dollars can be raised, the bail can be reduced,

(21:02):
which seems crazy to me. He's only having to pay
twenty five thousand dollars and they're buying a house with
all of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations
that has rolled in the family.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, here's how here's how I would would want to
approach this clay. There are almost twenty thousand murders and
non negligent manslaughter cases in the United States every year.
Right depends on the year, but let's call it roughly
twenty thousand murders a year in this country. That's right,

(21:36):
one kind or another. Why is this murder getting or
alleged murder? Right, this is legally what we're supposed to say,
But why is this incident and the facts aren't in dispute.
It's not like he's saying I didn't stab it. He
stabbed him to death. Everyone saw it. This is so,
why are there people who are donating money for this

(21:56):
legal defense who have never donated money for anyone else's
legal defense. Why is there this ground swell of people
who want to assist the Carmelo Anthony family here, not
the metcalf family, notably, not the family that just lost
their boy for absolutely no reason whatsoever, in the most

(22:17):
vicious and violent way. They don't care about that family.
They care about the Carmelo Anthony family. I think we
have to ask this question, and I don't think that
there's a single answer. I think there are there are
many different answers. I think that there are people who
like to believe different narratives. I think there are people

(22:39):
who like to feel like they are advancing the cause
of justice by assisting those who are oppressed. It's one
way of saying it, because this is the other thing
I'm seeing people who are saying it's self defense. This
is the line that you are hearing everywhere, and unfortunately

(23:00):
that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances. Yes, because
what they're doing is they're saying, well, well, Carmelo Anthony
had a credible fear or a reasonable fear of his
own safety and or life, and so he reacted in
this way. If this is self defense, anybody who has
a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across

(23:22):
the country can murder that person in cold blood in
front of their family members at a crowded event and
get away with it. True, And anyone who is donating
money to this individual is really donating money to the
most toxic and cynical and divisive aspects of American politics.

(23:43):
I think that they are and society. I think that
they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of
a lot of discontent and resentment. And let's just be
honest about this. They've decided that because this kid is black,
they are going to back him to the greatest degree

(24:05):
possible while he estab this white kid to death. And
you want to ask, why is that? Are they trying
to Is this supposed to be some kind of a
reckoning moment? Are they trying to force some kind of
oj situation here where it doesn't matter what he did?
I mean, what exactly is the point that they make
with all this monetary and public support of this seventeen

(24:28):
year old who stabbed another kid to death in front
of his dad.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'll go time to kill for a second time today.
But can you imagine the reaction if a white kid
stabbed a black kid to death that attract me, gets
his bail reduced from one million to two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, raises over four hundred thousand dollars, and
buy the family buys a new house with it. It

(24:53):
would be the very definition of white privilege everybody.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
People would be saying that it's a research so of
the Ku Klux Klan or something. I mean. They would
be saying it's a white supremacist ground swell, that's what
the meat, and I don't just mean totally. Media would
be saying that there would be protest marches. It would
be everywhere. And I don't begrudge. Producer Ali says, well,
how in the world are you going to defend argue
self defense?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
He has no other defense. So again, I've been a
criminal defense attorney. I don't begrudge the argument of self defense.
When you admit that you stab somebody in the heart
with a knife, hold on, there is that applies to
the that applies to the lawyer. I'm talking about people
that are buying this, and so I'm going to give
money to.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Try to help this this fani. Well, why does Carmelo
Anthony's family does Carmelo Anthony's family should be, you know,
begging for forgiveness and saying we're sorry that our son
murdered somebody for no reason.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, he has no defense. So the only defense he
has is self defense. So yes, that's the legal that
makes sense, that's the old that's the war, your job.
That's the only defense he has. But why would anybody
else buy into that? And how in the world do
you reward.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
The family who has failed.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Look, if you're seventeen year old, white, black, Asian or
Hispanic stabs another kid to death at a school event,
you failed as a parent in some way. I'm sorry
you did. So the idea that the parent would be rewarded.
You can't tell me that the kid took a knife

(26:30):
to school if you aren't taking knives to school. This
goes for anybody out there, your kids, your grandkids. Something's wrong.
I told my kids this recently. I said, hey, I
understand that people have guns. If you're a high school
kid and you find yourself out with other high school

(26:50):
kids who have loaded weapons, You've made a very poor decision.
You need to extricate yourself from that situation. If you
find your taking knives that could be used to stab
someone to death to school, you have failed in some
way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And so I really yeah, I agree with a lot
of course, but who's donating to this? Like the really
really think what is the mentality? Why are you giving
money to this day he has been assigned for trying
to give.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Thousand dollars, not even just donating, donating tons of money?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
This is what I mean. Who is giving money for this?
And and what is the mentality behind that? You would
have to but to truly believe this was a self
defense case, you would have to be such a moron
that you can't spell self defense. There's just no way,
it's not possible.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think it's identity politics. I think it's purely Hey,
this is a black kid who killed a white kid.
I would bet if you go and look at the donors,
I think a large majority of them would be white
liberals who are whose brains are broken. And I think
black people who are buying into the idea that because
this black kid stabbed a white kid, that he is

(28:10):
somehow the victim and he's being cashiered by the media
and attacked unfairly. So I think if you went and looked,
I think this is the other thing.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Buck.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I think this would be ninety five percent Kamala Harris
voters right, if they voted at all. Definitely define Democrats
who aren't don't take the money one hundred percent. But
I mean when you when you think about again, I
just the mentality of somebody. So is it for some
of these individuals, it's you know, there's like guilty white liberals,
you know, guilty conscience white liberals who think, I'm just

(28:40):
going to help this young black kid because he made
like a mistake and I don't want his whole life,
so they're going to write a check even though he
murdered somebody or allegedly murdered somebody. Right, And and then you,
I guess you have members of the black community who
are just deciding, well, he's black, so I'm going to
stand with him in this. But to that, I just
want to say, why would you stand with this black

(29:01):
murderer and.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Not any of the others. You see him, like, well,
why are you picking this because it's a high level
case where he killed a white guy? Like, what message
are people trying to send? I think the message of
racial division. Here's another question, and I think answer that
makes this story. Again, I hate that this is a story,
but I do think it is a snapshot of the

(29:24):
world in which we live for some people. If he
had stabbed a black kid, which is far more common, right,
most victims of racial violence are the same race. If
he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation,
but the kid's black, not one person by and large
would have heard about it. Nobody would have raised money
for him. I doubt they would have dropped his veil.

(29:46):
I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
It certainly wouldn't have become a national story. White kids' lives,
in the eyes of the media, are worthy of cover
when they are taken violently in a situation like this.
It's happened so regularly to young black men that if
a young black man kills another young black man, it's

(30:10):
barely a blip on the national radar. The only reason
this is a story is because there was race involved.
If it's black on black crime, not a story at all.
That's the other part of this. And nobody donates to
the guy of the four hundred thousand dollars buck. I
bet he wouldn't have been able to raise four thousand
dollars if he had stabbed another black kid to death.

(30:30):
Think about the poison that will be injected into the
veins of the American populace if this kid is either
hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as
a possibility. All you need jury. Don't know what the
jury or jury is going, It just needs one.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Right And now we've seen is there's a movement to
make this kid into some kind of a victim. The
facts are not in dispute, Okay, I don't at an event,
at a high school event where there's people everywhere, you
don't get to just pull a knife out and stab
somebody in By the way, I've said this to friends
of mine too, Clay, because this does matter. You know,

(31:11):
you can pull a knife out, and it's a bad
thing to do, obviously, But if you pull a knife out,
you know, you slash somebody on the arm. You know
you you you kind of you know, you go like hey, buddy,
like the next one.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
For most people, if you pull a knife out, it
ends the entire compensation without you even having to wave
it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
People are like, dude, stab somebody in the heart is
to go for intentional legal force right away when you're
under no threat. It is vicious, It is barbarous. And
this kid should spend the rest of his life in prison.
I mean, I know the Supreme Courts that he's not eighteen,
so they won't. You know, you can't go beyond life

(31:50):
in prison. But the fact that people are raising money
for this is it's just it's just appalling.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
How about dropping the bail. Why isn't the bail getting
dropped from a million two hundred and fifty. Oh, you
have to pay his twenty five k to get out
of prison after you stab somebody to death.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
That seems wild to me. How do you think if
you're if you're a J six defendant who walked into
the Capitol building for like three minutes and took a
selfie and you were denied a trial for over a
year while you sat in solitary confinement in DC, how
would you look at this. I know it's all the
federal versus state, Yeah, but it's all our justice system.

(32:28):
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Speaker 2 (34:42):
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show.
A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story,
and again I think from down in Texas, the stabbing
family buying a brand new home. Let me tell you something, Buck,

(35:06):
four hundred thousand dollars gets you a really good home
in many parts of Texas. That is not even just
a a a that's a really good home that they're
buying off legal defense fund donations. Now, I question whether
that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices of, hey,

(35:27):
we're going to retain really good lawyers who could cost
hundreds of thousands of dollars criminal defense attorneys could, and
then you use the money that you ostensibly were raising
for legal defense to buy a home, that seems like
a misappropriation of the funds that were raised in the
way that they're being used. Paying the bail money. That

(35:49):
would be somewhat understandable because it is connected the fact
that the bail was dropped from one million to two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars is crazy to me. The
fact that you can kill someone and get out of
prison for twenty five k blows my mind. I don't
know the standard dollars that are applied here again for
people who don't know, Usually you have to put forward

(36:10):
about ten percent of the bail money and the other
parts covered. But the fact that that could end up
in this situation. Alan Dershowitz Cut twenty nine is saying
what we just said, which is and it's interesting because
Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense attorneys for OJ Simpson.
But he is saying, Hey, if the race dynamics here
were reversed, everybody would be talking about it in a

(36:32):
totally different way.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Here's cut twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
This is all about who the jury is. This will
all be determined by the jury. If the racial factors
were reversed, if a white man had killed an unarmed
black man, everybody would be on the reverse side of this.
We live in a society where everything is judged by race.
You know, the Bible says to judges and prosecutors don't

(36:55):
recognize people just do abstract justice. We're way, way way
beyond that. If the racial elements were reversed there, virtually
all the people who are calling for him to be
acquitted would be calling for him to be a quick
convicted and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Let's not kit ourselves.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We live in a race conscious society. And jury selection,
which of course you're the guest, is so brilliant that
and did so well in the Zimmament cases. Terman, the
outcome of this case without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of
hinted at buck, would determine. Now, I don't know what
the makeup of jury's in Frisco, Texas typically is, but
again I'm just focused on what we know has happened here.
Stabbing definitely occurred. Only defense is self defense. That seems
very weak to me from a legal perspective. And the
family has now bought a new multi hundred thousand dollars

(37:45):
home and he's only had to pay twenty five thousand
dollars to get out of prison. For this, he is
profiting and his family is directly profiting off of murdering
in cold blood a completely innocent seventeen year old to
attract me and I'll take some of the call. Some
people are saying, well, this could be self defense.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm sorry, Actually it cannot be self defense because there's
no reasonable way to explain how a verbal dispute over
seats could turn into I have to pull a knife
out of my bag and stab you in the heart
with it. If that now is the standard of self defense,

(38:23):
anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically get away
with killing them and say I don't like what he
said to me. I was scared. I feared for my
life because I don't like the look in his eyes.
I also think the point you raised is a really
good one. You should not have a knife that is
capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or at

(38:44):
school related events. But for ninety nine point.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Nine percent of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife,
the dispute is over.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
There are not very many people who are going to
if you are unarmed and someone holds a knife to you,
most of us are not gonna be crocodile dundee and
pull out a bigger knife and be that's not a knife.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
This is a knife, right. Actually, I trained with some
guys from Ford Bragg who are edge weapons guys back
in the day. Just a little bit introductory stuff. I'm
not you know Tommy Lee Jones and The Hunted, which
is a pretty cool movie for all the knife fighting
they do if you haven't seen it, but anyway, but
I did some introductory stuff with them Clay and one
thing they just said, They're like, you have to understand
if somebody has a knife and you're you're you're bare handed,

(39:28):
you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going
to get cut, You're going to get stabbed, and you
know you're in a you're in a lot of trouble.
If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing,
you're gonna die. Like you you're basically the disadvantage is
much stronger than people. Everyone sees these things in the movies.
Were like they catch someone's wrists when they're about to
get stabbed, and then they go like karate chop, karate chop.
That's not how it works. I've seen videos of teams

(39:51):
swat teams in a stack coming in and a guy
has a knife and he's able to stab. You know,
they do this. It's training, right, but they'll show on
video he's able to get like two or three karate
strikes on these guys before they could even shoot him.
And that's and so this is what people don't realize,
Like a knife is a far more lethal tool than
most people understand. And to stab somebody in the heart,

(40:12):
that's not I mean that is that he went for
effectively a kill shot right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
And you may have seen some of the data on this,
many people stabbing someone with a knife. We talked about
this in the context of the Idaho murders, right the
allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and
everything else. It is for many people a far more violent, personal, deadly,

(40:43):
and sociopathic in many ways way to kill someone than
the remote nature of a gun. And I'll give you
an example historically, Buck, You know, in the Civil War,
every musket by and large had a bayonet, but actual
hand to hand and bayonet fighting was very rare in

(41:03):
the war by and large because it was seen as
so much more violent and brutal and nasty to be
trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the
end of your rifle than to stand and shoot at
people from a distance. In other words, this is a
particularly violent choice that this seventeen year old made, and

(41:27):
for him to be being rewarded for it and for
it to be largely ignored in the national consciousness is
I think, just the sign of our inability to distinguish
good and evil.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Something else that I would just say, because this is
obviously already playing out so much in the press, so
it's not like they're holding back. There's not some big
reveal that's coming about facts. We don't know if there
was some relevant basis for the self defense claim, like oh,
I thought he said he had a gun and he
reached for it, which there's nothing like that at all.
But if there was something like that, you already know, yes,

(42:01):
because they would want that out there because they know
a jury pool is going to be formed and they
would want you know, there is this kid was in
the wrong place, Anthony, he was in the wrong place,
and this kid, you know, it's sports people get a
little you know, Clay, you know all about this. People
can get a little riled up about their sports teams
or whatever. And he's like, hey, you're in the wrong place.

(42:22):
They exchanged some words and then he says well, he
like grabbed his backpack or something. I think that's my
understanding of how this went down. And someone grabbing your backpack. Again,
the context matters. This isn't a dark alley with two people.
These are two people who are rival high schools. There's parents,
there's adults around, there's security there, They're in broad daylight,

(42:44):
there in public. There is no reasonable basis for believing
that your life is in jeopardy and you need to
kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your
back I would also throw this out there. Is it
legal to have a knife on school rounds like this? No,
of course not. So he's got an I llegal weapon. Everybody,
how about we how about why haven't you heard that more?
Why haven't you heard more that Anthony Carmelo Anthony was

(43:07):
carrying an illegal weapon? You think you think that wouldn't
come up if this was a little bit different. I
remember because some of you called in about what about Rittenhouse?
And we could talk about that all day because I
actually know uh Richie McGinnis who was there and eye
witnessed and had to testify about it. And the guy
that kind of the the guy that Kyle Rittenhouse shot

(43:28):
attacked him, and one of them had a gun in
his hand when he was shot. Okay, so this is
not even vaguely comparable situation. But the Democrats were all saying, well,
he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines
with it. So it's like, well, he's he was allowed
to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took
it from Michigan and crossed state lines with it, maybe

(43:48):
that Because they were desperate to make it seem like
it was illegal for him to have the gun, that
was the whole game.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And also they looked like he was crossing state lines
with a weapon to try to kill someone, even though
it was just a suburb and it's like he lived
ten minutes from the state line or whatever. For people
who live close to a state border, crossing state lines
is not actually that big.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Of a deal in many of your lives. This is
what I mean, all of a sudden they became you know,
legal formalists and like extremely detailed about any possible violation
when it came to kyle rittenhouse. But this kid's carrying
a knife long enough to kill somebody. That's also a thing.
I mean, you really, you know, I mean I could
get into this, but there's actually a length of blade

(44:28):
that is able to puncture places that can puncture and
kill somebody. I mean, you can get into some of
the specifics of this. I'm sure some of you from
the military side have edged weapons training, you know what
I'm talking about. There's a length of blade that makes it.
You know, if you have a basically, if you have
a two inch Swiss army knife, yeah, I mean, you
could stab somebody with it, and you could do harm,
but it's very very hard to you know, to puncture

(44:51):
the sternum, very very hard to get into the subclavial
artery and the you know, kind of the neck stern
oclido mastoid region. It's very hard to do that. Do
you have a knife that's long and if it's actually
not hard to do that at all? And this kid
clearly did.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And I just come back to if you truly were
worried about the situation, the minute you pull the knife out,
everybody's done right nine Unless you are Jason Bourne. People
are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of
their own. That entire interaction would have been over the
minute he brandished the knife. If he truly felt threatened.

(45:28):
Everybody would have been like, whoa dude?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
All right? And then and then everyone walks away alive.
And this kid maybe is you know, suspended or expelled
from school and goes before a judge and maybe does
sixty days in Julie and has told you ever do
something of this again, you're in big trouble. But you know, no,
stabbed him in the heart. Stabbed him in the heart.
You're gonna tell me he didn't know what he was doing.
Think about the mentality and also this thing too, the

(45:52):
trying to say, oh, you know, he's he's he's a
really good kid too. I'm like, you know, guys, please
all right, Uh, there's been there's been no sense of
any no sense of remorse Clay from anyone who is
taking Carmelo Anthony's side and this at all, No sense
of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalf, no sense

(46:14):
of oh my gosh, what now. They're trying to say
it's a tragedy on both sides. Yeah, no, no, no,
actually it's a tragedy on one side. It's a criminal
and a tragedy. It's not the same thing. And I
mentioned this, I should have circled back to it. There
will be wrongful death lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I would imagine if this individual is convicted, or even
if he is not, the standard of liability is beyond like,
clearly this guy would be guilty culpable for the monetary
damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen.
In a civil context. The standard of proof is much lower.

(46:51):
So yes, the family could theoretically seize back this home,
but I would suggest this violates the donation terms to
be buying a home instead of actually retaining a warrior,
which is what people were donating for.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Well, at this point, you know, I think the bigger
question will be does he does he take this all
the way to trial? And does he think that he
can get a jury? You know? Does the defense for
Anthony think that they can get it? All they needed?
Clay knows very well, better better than most All you
need is one person on that jury, right, just says Nope,

(47:25):
not happening, even if the rest of them say, come on,
it's obvious hung jury. And then things get messy, you know,
and then does the state want to retry this? And
you get into all this stuff. It's not that hard
and it looks like they're gearing up for that, and
I just the message that this would send the country
is terrible in all counts, in all ways, it is

(47:47):
really really bad. And so it would be even the
this is what I mean by this, Clay, is even
the people who are clearly like rooting for for Carmelo
Anthony in this in this situation, it would be better
for them too if he actually faces justice and has
to you know, and has to serve time for this.

(48:08):
I mean that that is actually better for everyone, every
better for the country. But we'll see if that ends
up happening. Look, we were talking a lot about self
defense here, and you know, I'm a dad now and
one of the profound things you have. And the dad's
out there all know this. None of the moms know
this too. But you have this little being and you
do anything to protect them, right, and you feel that way.

(48:30):
You also want to have the means, and that can
involve force escalation. And look at how important we're talking
about a story where there was no force escalation and
you know, somebody used a weapon the wrong way. I
want you to be able to defend yourselves in the
right way and have non lethal options to keep yourself
safe but not have to make that decision about lethality

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Speaker 1 (50:22):
Just a brief addendum or update to something we mentioned
in the first hour about how Trump and the White
House are going after these woke universities, holding them to
account saying no more free ride on federal tax dollars.
Trump has now said that he is considering taxing Harvard
as a political entity, which this goes to show you

(50:45):
he's not backing down on this at all. I think
one component of the Trump administration that I really like,
and I think is very effective and very in the moment.
You know, it's it's a Trump knows what time it
is strategy, and that is the offense offense offense, meaning

(51:07):
do things go for things go after the parts of
this country, whether it's institutions or its deep state, or
its bureaucracies or whatever. Go after the problems everywhere, all
at once, with everything that you can lawfully under the constitution.

(51:27):
A great example this, Clay, the border numbers year every
year for March have come in and this March there
were something like seven thousand encounters at the border in
the entire month. I think the previous year there were
one hundred and thirty seven thousand. So yeah, it can
be done right. We don't notice we don't spend as

(51:49):
much time talking about the border on the show. We
were banging the drums and hitting all the alarms for
years on this program because we needed to, because of
how insane it was. I think we were as focused
on it as absolutely anybody else out there, perhaps more so.
I think it was one of the primary issues that
propelled Trump and the Republicans to this enormous victory they

(52:09):
had in this last election. But Clay, there are still
there's still a lot to be done, and they're moving
on all fronts. That then takes me to the deportation
component of this and how the Democrats have decided that
this is really this is an area where they want
to fight, they want to dig in, and it brings

(52:31):
me to Kilmar Obrago Garcia. Now he is an alleged
MS thirteen gang member. Stephen Miller has been absolutely en
fuego on the television talking to people who will listen
at least about how this is not a close call,
this is no longer under the authority of any federal

(52:53):
judge to try to change or overturn. And here is
a former attorney general of the state of Florida, my
home state, Pam Bondy, now the US Attorney General, who
is just saying, look the people that are telling Bukeley,
the president of Olsalvador, that he has to give this
guy back, this gang member back. They're living in a
fantasy world Play one.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Listening to all these liberal reporters. They keep calling him
a Maryland man. He's not a Maryland man. He's part
of a foreign terrorist organization. He's a member of MS thirteen, who,
as you laid out in your monologue, came to this
country and committed just gang acts. He was caught, and
he was Two judges, an immigration judge and an appellate

(53:36):
judge ruled that he was an MS thirteen member, as
well as Isa's testimony. Yet his attorneys are saying he's
not affiliated with a gang. They're wrong, and he has
no right to be there, and President Bouqueley does not
want to give him back to the United States, nor
do we want him.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Clay, what do you think happens here? It's such an
interesting question. This is where I put on my lawyer hat.
I mean, the Supreme Court didn't say that America had
to bring him back from El Salvador, and Bouquelea yesterday
said why would I return this individual to the United States.

(54:15):
There now are reports which are crazy that I believe
the senator from one of the senators from Maryland at least,
is saying I'm going to travel to El Salvador to
make sure this guy's okay.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
He's an illegal.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I mean, I look at this and I just say,
this is where Trump has outsmarted many of his critics.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Do you really think very many people in.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
The United States think that senators should be traveling out
of our country to make sure that people who had
no business being here are being held in a manner
that you find to be acceptable in a foreign country.
And so I think this is just the reflexively anti
Trump perspective that has lit the Democrat brand on. I

(55:00):
unless the court says you have to return this the
Supreme Court says you have to return this person from
l Salvador, which I don't think they're gonna do because
it gets into foreign policy, then I think this story
is just gonna eventually go away because I don't think
it's that compelling. I do think it's significant the way

(55:21):
that Pambondi there says, and you talked about this, in
the way that they define someone Maryland Dad, Maryland man. No,
he's an illegal immigrant that had no ability to be
here and he's been deported. And so the way that
you decide to classify someone the pictures that you choose

(55:42):
to use. Remember when they used this was years ago.
But remember when they would use in the situation down
and down in Florida, they would often use pictures of
somebody who's like four or five years older. What was
the shooting situation, the self defense case in Florida.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Oh Zimmerman with the von Martin they had they had
trayvon Martin, they had photos of him and he was
like twelve with his graduation cap on. He was like
eighteen years old and one hundred and sixty five pounds.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
And over six feet tall. I mean, he was like
a big grown man. And they would use photos of
him when he looked like he was thirteen or fourteen
years old, the way.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
That you not even he was. He was like eleven,
he was eleven or twelve. They were using pre pubescent
photos of an eighteen year old man. They also changed
the audio tape with somebody at one of the news
affiliates got fired for they actually edited the tape to
make Zimmerman seem more racist. That was also clay the
rise of the White Hispanic conversation. Uh you know if

(56:40):
his name.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Same thing happened with Michael Brown in Ferguson, where they
tried to make it seem like he wasn't in any
way engaged in violent acts. That story just kind of
vanished when the Obamabia.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Was presenting Mike Brown as a gentle scholar that's wearing
a his every photo of him from the New York
Times was him in a you know, like a graduation cap,
looking like he's about to start his MD program somewhere right,
And the reality was there's a video of him doing
a strong arm robbery a few minutes before the incident
with the cop, which is why he got pulled over.

(57:13):
So he left, he did. He was not wearing his
cap and gown during the strong arm.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Robbery, no doubt, and the way that these stories are
told are significant. Here, By the way, is Caroline Levitt
just a little bit ag cut thirty. She just did
an our White House press briefing saying yeah, he's not
coming back.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Cut thirty.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Abrado Garcia was a foreign terrorist. He is an MS
thirteen gang member, He was engaged in human trafficking. He
illegally came into our country, and so deporting him back
to El Salvador was always going to be the end result.
There is never going to be a world in which
this is an individual who's going to live a peaceful
life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and

(57:52):
an MS thirteen gang member. Not only have we confirmed
that President Bukelly yesterday and the Oval Office confirmed that
as well. So he went back to his home country
where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and
his engagement in human trafficking. I'm not sure what is
so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.
And it's appalling, truly appalling that there has been so

(58:14):
much time covering this alleged human trafficker and this gang
member MS thirteen gang member. It's truly striking to me.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I think what this represents is a flailing attempt to
find something that sticks. Think about it. In the last
three or four weeks, what have we heard. The talking
point was egg prices are out of control. Trump is
making you pay more for eggs. Well, wholesale egg prices
are down, and you are going to be paying substantially

(58:44):
less than you were when Biden was in office, if
you aren't already very soon. So that story is vanished.
Stock market last week, Oh my goodness. For the last
ten days, Oh my goodness, the stock market's going to collapse.
You're gonna everybody's going to lose all their money. Trump
has no idea. Well, it's gone right. Sub markets basically
same price it was in September. That has faded as

(59:04):
the sort of lack of a movement has declined. Right now,
the new argument is, oh, Trump's going to deport you, right,
That's what they're really trying to pivot from. They're trying
to go from If he can take this Maryland man
and send him Dell Salvador, why can't he do the
same thing to you. Well, presumably because you're an American citizen.

(59:26):
That's why he can't do it. That's the easy answer.
If you are here illegally and you have a history
of violent crime, then they can get you and they
are going to try to deport you. And you should
think that because I think one story's not being told, Buck.
I do think a significant number of people are self deporting.
You know, we talked about how the southern border is
shut down and there's a limit on how many people

(59:47):
in any given month that Trump can get out of
the country. I think if you have a criminal record,
you may be starting to look at this and say,
wait a minute, I don't want to end up in
an El Salvador prison. I'm free and clear and able
to move around now. I think there are tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands of people here illegally that
are seeing what's going on, and they're saying, maybe I

(01:00:08):
should just go back to my home country, or at
least go back somewhere in Latin America.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And you know, when you dig into this Abrego Garcia case,
it also is indicative clay of just a scam that
has been run so many millions, even tens of millions
of times against this country, with the total assistance of
ideologues in the judiciary. This guy was arrested back in

(01:00:37):
twenty nineteen, but a judge said, oh, we can't deport you,
even though you're an illegal, because he had a fear
of a credible fear of violence in his home country.
As we are told, violent gang member was able to
stay in America because he said, oh man, it's too

(01:00:59):
scary for me to go back to El Salvador, and
a judge bought it. An overrode federal law under this
withholding from removal order. But as Stephen Miller has pointed
out his participation in MS thirteen, a foreign designated terrorist
organization overrides the removal order, which makes perfect sense, right,

(01:01:20):
you can't or the withholding removal order. I mean, you
can't have somebody who's protected from violence who's actually perpetrating
violence themselves. And the whole thing is just so nuts.
Democrats just don't want to deport anybody. Clay. That's really
everything else is really noise. They don't want to deport anybody.
That makes them feel good about themselves to say everybody

(01:01:41):
can stay and everybody can come, and whatever happens to
the country, we deserve it because of you know, colonialism
or something. But they actually don't want to deport anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
What I think is wild is how much time we
spent talking about how wide open the southern border on
this show and other places the debate. We even have
a had moron Republicans who were saying, you know what,
let's go ahead and sign on with the Democrats and
do a bill in the summer of twenty twenty four.
I don't think voters should forget who was willing to
do that. And Trump and Tom Homan just kept consistently

(01:02:14):
saying if you elect US, will shut down the southern border,
southern borders shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
The story is completely gone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
There is not even any acknowledgment of the fact that overnight,
effectively Trump shut down the United States southern border in
terms of illegal crossings. When have we ever had an
administration come in saying that they would essentially solve a
top three concern of the American people and do it

(01:02:44):
within sixty days. I can't think of anything else where
so quickly, something so important to the electorate was by
the numbers, objectively addressed and solved in the way that
this has, which I think has wrong foot of the
Democrats even further with all the all the other stuff

(01:03:05):
that got lack of leadership and you know, they're the
transagenda and the crazy stuff that they all believe Clay,
the problem is that Trump is keeping his promises, yes,
and he's doing what he said he would do. And
so that just drives Democrats even more insane because what
they were hoping was you'd get a little bit of
what you had in twenty seventeen, where you had you
had some swamp creatures saying they were going to drain

(01:03:26):
the swamp, and you had some bad picks, and you
had some you know, some Democrat advisors around Trump. And look,
I'm not saying it wasn't very good overall, but there
were some missteps and Trump has admitted those missteps. This
time around, it's just all systems go, and I think
that drives them even more insane. I'm not sure you
can point to anything that was an acknowledged problem, and

(01:03:47):
again you can say Democrats didn't really acknowledge it was
a problem until he got to be election season, but
that a politician has come into office and eliminated ninety
five percent of in the first hundred days. Ever, as
ninety five percent of legal border crossings are gone. Is
there any other comparable example to a promise made by
a political candidate that was immediately delivered to this extent

(01:04:09):
in the first one hundred days. I think the border
is one of the greatest success stories in modern American
political history in terms of what Trump was able to
do solely without congressional authority, despite the arguments to the
contrary for years and years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Well, and it also has proven that those of us, you, me,
and all of you who were screaming under Biden's administration,
they just don't want to enforce the law. This is
a decision, this isn't there overwhelmed, and they can't fix it.
They don't want to fix it. We were right because
Trump fixed it in the blink of an eye, because

(01:04:46):
he wanted to. So all those other people were lying
to you. You know, that's everyone else in the media,
who's all but the border. It's so complicated. No, Actually,
if you enforced the law, they stopped coming. Almost like
with crime Clay, you back police and you take offenders
and people that are repeat offenders off the street. Everyone
gets safer, there's less crime. How Democrats don't How the

(01:05:07):
Democrat brain cannot seize on these things. Unfortunately, one of
the great weaknesses of American society these days. They just
can't they can't learn, they can't figure this stuff out.
All right, Look, good Ranchers is fantastic. You know, Carrie
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(01:05:29):
not really going to restaurants because while my baby crying
doesn't bother me at all, it is my baby communicating
with me. I will choose not to have my crying
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keep it real anyway. That means we're cooking here at home.
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