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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
This is also going to be the Ben Ferguson podcast,
and many of you are going to hear this on
radio stations as well. This is moments after the presidential debate,
Center Cruz. I didn't think it could actually be this bad.
It was worse than even I think either of us
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could have imagined. And now the Democratic Party is screaming
replaced the president.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, you and I are sitting here at is ten
seventeen pm Texas time, at is eleven seventeen pm East
Coast time, the night of the debate. The debate just ended,
and I have to say we have just witnessed what
I believe is the most consequential presidential debate in US history.
Sometimes debate change, debates change things. Sometimes they don't. I
believe to bite tonight's debate change things fundamentally. And I
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believe the odds have now skyrocketed. I believe the odds
are north of eighty percent that the Democrat Party will
remove Joe Biden from the ticket and replace him. And
I believe they are likely to replace Joe Biden with
Michelle Obama because Biden did so disastrously badly tonight that
Democrats across the country are in utter freefall and complete panic.
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We're going to break all that down tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And by the way, this was a prediction that you
made on this show back in September of twenty twenty
three that the Democratic king makers could bring in Michelle
Obama will break all that down. I want to tell
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Speaker 1 (02:07):
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Speaker 2 (02:08):
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Support IFCJ dot org Centaer. I want to get to
some of the highlights, but even before we get to
the debate, I think the most shocking part is what
happened directly after the debate.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
This was the.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
First thing that America heard on CNN, the host of
the debate.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's into the debate, and it continues right now. It
involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,
and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they
think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people
down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations
about what they should do about it. Some of those
conversations include, should we go to the White House and
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ask the president's step aside? Or other of the conversations
are about should prominent Democrats go public with that call
because they feel this debate was so terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
They do say in moments in the debate.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Later the president got better and got his footing, but
then at the end, even his closing statement was a
little halting the contrast between the two candidates.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Let me be clear, none of them and.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
A lot of Republicans don't think Donald Trump had a
great night. Donald Trump broke the fact check machine more
than I can count tonight. That will be on the
record as we go forward. He refused to answer some
very specific and direct questions about his conduct about January sixth.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And what all.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So that will be dealt.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
With out there. And sometimes there's a parallel universe between
the political elites and the American people. Be nice to
see what the voters say. But I can tell you
it started minutes in. It started with the first couple
of answers, and it has continued throughout the night from
oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To what do we do about this?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
And it involves very senior people in the Democratic Party,
including elected officials, saying we have a problem, and just we.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Have a problem.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They're moving actively right now to replace Joe Biden, saying
we've got time before the convention, which is exactly what
you predicted on this show nine months ago.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, let me say what you played just there. I
agree with half of it, and I disagree with half
of it. What I do agree with is that Joe
Biden did unbelievably badly, that the degree of dementia he
is facing right now, it is escalated to a point
that it is unrecognizable. And I think there are a
great many Democrats who are looking at this saying we
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cannot nominate this man. He is not capable. He doesn't
know what's going on. In a second, we're going to
play a couple of clips that show that. But it
was I will say, as badly as I thought Joe
Biden was going to do, he did worse. It was stunning.
I've never seen a debate performance this bad. But the
part I disagree of what you just played is I
think Donald Trump had hands down his best debate performance
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he has ever had in his life.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Look.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I've stood on that stage with Donald Trump about a
dozen times, and I've seen him and sometimes he said
good debates. Sometimes he's had less than good debates. Tonight
he did exactly what earlier this morning, you and I
did a special podcast preparing for this debate, and what
you and I talked about that Trump needed to do
is be calm, be measured, be under control, not interrupt
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Joe Biden, let him hang himself, give him the airtime
to talk. And Trump did that spectacularly. He was restrained,
even as Biden was saying ridiculous things. He was restrained,
he was calmed, he was matter of fact. He prosecuted
the case and Biden couldn't handle it. Biden repeatedly, what
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was screaming, You're a liar, you're lying, you could I
mean he was. There were moments. Look, it's clear we
talked before about the meds. They had him on meds.
They put him on different meds from the State of
the Union. He was not nearly as amped up as
he was at the State of the Union. But when
Trump poked him and he got angry, Biden couldn't respond
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other than just screaming, liar, liar, liar. And he returned
to the State of the Union, old man on his
front porch, screaming, get off my front port. She had
moments like that, But that's not even the dominant takeaway.
The dominant takeaway is this is a man who doesn't
know what's going on here.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I want to play the.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Clip early in the debate where he just completely loses
his train of thought, and this is the answer at
which I think people all over the country said, uh, oh,
this guy's just not there.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Give a listen.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I sculd me with dealing with everything we have to
do with. Look, if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
We finally beat medicare, I mean Donald Trump's response was quote,
I don't I really don't know what he said at
the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows
what he said either.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And Biden gets lost and and Trump counters with what
he counters to. That is and by the way, the
question had nothing to do with medicare, Like the word
medicare comes completely out of left field. It's the only
thing he mentioned. He's just like, we finally beat medicare.
And then Trump cames and said, well, he said at
the end, he beat medicare. He beat it to death.
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Give a listen to Trump's response. Play the next clip.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
All those things we need to do, childcare, eldercare, making
sure that we continue to suppend strength in our healthcare system,
making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
person eligible for what I've been able to do with
the h with the COVID I exculd me with dealing
with every day we have to do with Look, if
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we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you, President Biden.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
President Trump, Well, he's right, he did beat medicare, beat
it to death. And he's destroying medicare because all of
these people are coming in, they're putting them on Medicare,
They're putting them on.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean you hear that he just stopped, didn't know
what he was doing. And if you look at the
look on his face, Senator Joe Biden actually looked lost
and was looking around like what am I doing?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Where am I?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
His brain was frozen, it short circuited throughout the time.
I'll tell you Joe Biden did badly when he wasn't talking.
When he wasn't talking, the look on his face was
a look of confusion. Listen, anyone who's ever dealt with
with an elderly parent, an elderly grandparent who's dealing with
the loss of their faculties knows that look. My grandmother Miabuela,
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whom I love, she had Alzheimer's. I've seen, I've seen
what happens. It was clear he didn't know what was
going on. He was just confused. And even his most
passionate defenders, they can't defend them all, right, Maria Shriver.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I just saw this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Kennel Kennedy, Yeah, I just saw this.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Democrat 're Democrat Royalty. Let me read you what she
just tweeted moments ago.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I love Joe Biden. I know he's a good man.
I know his heart is good. I know he's dedicated
to our country and is surrounded by good people. Tonight
was heartbreaking in many ways. This is a big political moment.
There's panic in the Democratic Party. It's going to be
a long night. The Democrats have lost Maria Shriver. That's
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a problem.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, and listen to Abby Phillips. Abby Phillips saying this
on CNN as well in the moments afterwards. This is
how she described how bad it was for Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
And just to co sign what John is saying. I mean,
the panic that I am hearing from Democrats is not
like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far,
and a lot of it has to do with First
of all, there was a deep frustration about Trump's lies.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, he lied a lot tonight.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
But the problem for Biden was that Trump was able
to take sometimes incredible falsehoods and turn them into some
kind of argument, whereas Biden's answers were in a lot
of cases not coherent, deeply problematic. That he was not
able to take pretty straightforward answers and answer them to.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
The that's CNN.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That is CNN who's saying the Democrats are panicking and
Biden's answers where in a lot of cases not go here,
all right, play Van Jones, Van Jones, this is the
hard left here, he's on CNN.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Listen. Here's what Van Jones had to say.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I was painful. I love Joe Biden. I worked for
Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all. He did
not do well at all.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's like a funeral. It's like you're watching a funeral
in real time on CNN. And this is their instant reaction.
These are the first voices that America heard after the debate.
Drudge Report, for example, which used to be pretty conservative center,
now they really hate Donald Trump. Their headline right now
is Operation Replace Biden, dim scramble with one hundred and
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thirty days to go debate catastrophe, Which brings me back
to let's go back to nine months ago. Nine months ago,
September the eighteenth, You and I had this conversation. And
by the way, there were a lot in the media,
and there were a lot of other people in Washington
that said you and I were crazy for having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So let's play the clip.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So here's the scenario that I think is perhaps most
likely and most dangerous. In August of twenty twenty four,
the Democrat Kingmakers jettison Joe Biden and parachute in Michelle Obama, and.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I want you to pause and reflect on it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So I'm pausing, and I'm reflecting, as we said, and
so is everybody else listening.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Right now, I view this as a very serious danger.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'm smiling right now because it terrifies me. And I
also could totally see this happen.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So Michelle Obama, number one, you don't infuriate African American women,
which is a critical part of the constituency that Democrats
are relying on to win. But number two, you avoid
the problem if you pick from any of the four.
The other three are pissed because they're all, to some
extent peers, they're rivals, they're all jabbin knives at each other.
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Michelle Obama, because she was first Lady, has the ability
to kind of parachute in above all four and say, hey,
we're not picking among any of you. You guys can
all fight it out. Next time. You're all going to
be on the same level. We're coming. This is the
Obamas saving the day. And I think in terms of
a solution, that unifies Democrats.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
There ain't nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I also think Michelle is not all that eager to
run for president. But to parachute in in August of
twenty four, a couple of months before the presidency and
suddenly wake up and to be president not a bad gig.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
It's not a bad gig at all. Now would she
do it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I've met Michelle, but I don't know her personally in
any meaningful way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I don't know if she would do it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I do think Barack Obama is already running the Biden administration.
I think he is already the puppet master behind this
Biden white House. I don't think Joe Biden is the
decision maker. And so when I see the media turning
on Joe Biden right now, I think the odds of
Michelle Obama parachuting in in August of twenty twenty four
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have risen dramatically, and that ought to scare the hell
out anyone who is unhappy about the direction this country
is going and doesn't want us to go even crazier
in an even worse direct.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
September eighteenth, center of twenty twenty three, we had this
discussion and even right now on MSN dot com. The
headline is we beat Medicare Biden Freeze's mid answer before
being bailed out by moderator, and then they go on
to talk about that was a total disaster by the
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sitting president and Democrats are running to replace Joe Biden,
so they're not even having the conversation behind closed doors.
They're having it out on national TV right now and
in the news.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, and Ben, what you've just played is I think
as good a promo for this podcast as you possibly
could have.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
What we are facing right now.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We predicted on this podcast nine months ago, in September
of twenty twenty three. We were among the very first
voices to do that. At the time, it made a
bunch of headlines. And you're right, people thought we were
batcrap crazy. Let's be clear, they thought I was bat
crap crazy. I shouldn't say we had stick you into that.
You were there while I was making that prediction, and
they were like, Cruise has lost his mind. And by
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the way, in terms of predictions, we also at the
outset of COVID laid out all of the evidence that
COVID originated in the Chinese lab in when CNN and ABC, CBS,
NBC were suppressing that news, when Facebook and Twitter were
suppressing that news. We were laying out the evidence then
and this morning, before the debate, our analysis of the debate,
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I predicted, unequivocally, Donald Trump is going to kick Joe
Biden's ass. That was my prediction. That is exactly what happened.
It was the title of the show. And there were
not a lot of people predicting that, but I number one,
thought Biden would do terribly. But number two, if Trump
could remain controlled, and he did that, he did that
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in an excellent way. I'm going to call President Trump
tomorrow and tell him it's the best debate he's ever done,
and I've been there for a lot of them. He
was measured, he was controlled, he was fact based, He
laid out the case. Even his response on medicare, Let's
take the one we just played. It would be easy
to be starky and say, okay, this guy is like
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that answer is incoherent. What Trump did was even better.
There said I mean, look, he said he actually did
beat medicare, which was obviously a weird brain short circuit.
And he said the reason he beat Medicare is because
he's let millions and millions of legal immigrants into this country.
He's putting them all in Medicare, which is going to
bankrupt Medicare. And that was a major message that Trump
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is hitting, is that the invasion on our southern border
is also bankrupting Medicare and social Security. I think that
was a smart decision to lean in on that. Joe
Biden had no answer. He had no response all night long.
As Trump laid out the case you caused the inflation,
Joe Biden had no response to that. As Trump laid
out the people who are being murdered all across this
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country from criminals and insane asylums. When Trump would say, look,
Venezuela is emptying their jails and sending US murderers and
rapists and child molesters and lunatics, you saw Joe Biden
just looking confused. He had no response, He didn't dispute it.
He had nothing to say in response on foreign policy,
and we talked about this again in this morning's podcast
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and just said, well, if Trump's president Putin will invade
all of Ukraine and all of Europe, and Trump is like,
what utter crap? When I was president Russia didn't invade
one square inch of territory anywhere on planet Earth. And
by the way, he did under Barack Obama, and he
did under Joe Biden. You're so weak that that's why
Putin invaded and it. Trump did an excellent job of
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prosecuting the case, and Biden was utterly incapable of responding.
And I think you are seeing seeing Democrats freaking out now.
I believe there are two things. Well, let me say
a couple of things. Number one, let me tell you why.
I believe it'll be Michelle Obama because you're going to
see today and tomorrow all sorts of discussion. You're gonna
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hear Gavin Newsome, You're gonna hear all sorts of other names.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think if they do it, what's the pitch Because
it's gonna start with Barack Obama, who was just leading
Joe Biden off stage, remember, and everybody saw it like
he was an elderly old man in opa home. And
I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm just being
honest about it. And clearly he witnessed how bad it was.
Then is he the guy that has to look at
Michelle and I going I'd do it, but I can.
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I've already been president for eight years. It has to
be you, honey.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, let me break it to two pieces. Let me
tell you why it has to be Michelle. It has
to be Michelle because of Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris is
the VP. If you push Joe Biden aside, Kamala's next
in line. The people who say we want Gavin Newsom,
you know what if the Democrat Party pushes an African
American woman aside and replaces her with a white guy,
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their party implodes. They cannot do it. They are being
counters and they are faced. It's actually what forced Joe
Biden to pick Kamala in the first place. He backed
himself into it. He doesn't like Kamala. And the problem
Democrats are having that now is they're looking at Joe Biden.
They're saying, oh my goodness, this guy cannot be our nominee.
And they look at Kamala and they recognize she's a
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terrible nominee. And if she's the nominee, they know they'll lose.
And so their problem is the only person on planet
Earth who can push Kamala Harris aside is Michelle Obama
another African American woman who stands on a different footing
as a former first lady. Now, what are the impediments
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that stop it? The impediments are twofold number one, Michelle
says no, number two. Joe Biden says no. On the
Michelle says no. I think you're going to have Barrock
coming to her. I think you're going to have a
lot of Democrat kingmakers coming to her. And the pitch
is going to be, Michelle, you need to save America. Michelle,
we need you, Michelle. If you do not step forward,
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Donald Trump is going to be president. Michelle, you are
the only person on planet Earth that can save the
world from a Donald Trump presidency.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And listen.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
People perceive Michelle Obama as somewhat nonpartisan because she was
a first late in first ladies kind of stay out
of politics. I think she is more radical than Barack.
I think she is an ideologue. I think she is
a leftist. You remember when when Barack Obama was running
and she talked about his getting elected was the first
time in her life she was proud of her country.
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I think she embraces hardcore leftism, but a lot of
people don't know that. And so the pitch to her
is going to be save America. And then the pitch
to Joe Biden. She's got to say yes number one.
And then too, Joe Biden has got to agree to
step aside. And I think you're going to see in
the coming days. You know, you played my prediction from
September of twenty twenty three. The only thing I might
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have gotten wrong is I said that this would happen
in August of twenty twenty four. It may be July
of twenty twenty four. I may have been a month
off in the timing. Because this debate I think changed
the fundamental terrain.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's also talk about there was two moments that I
think really speak to the demise of the cognitive colan
of Joe Biden. And it was subtle but significant, and
I want to get.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Your reaction to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
There was one moment when he was asked about social
Security and he gave a very very short answer and
then the moderators looked at him like, what are you doing?
You still have I think they said eighty four seconds
left or something like that. There was another time he
was talking about African American voters, African American community, and
African American issues. And they're like, sir, you still have
like another minute and ex ember of seconds, sixty four
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seconds left.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He couldn't even.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
By the way, he spent eight days at Camp David
preparing and he could not fill the two minutes with
it a the.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Two minutes on two vitally important issues like social Security.
Any politician should be able to fill for two minutes.
In fact, you should be able to fill.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
These were not subtle, These were not gotcha's, These were
obvious questions. He had nothing to say. He was scared.
He was a deer in the headlights.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So you said, deer in headlights. Let's go to the
next conversation that's being had right now. And I'm sure
it's being had at the White House, at the EOB,
at the Camp Paying headquarters. Who goes to the president
first and says step down? And then you're also dealing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
With every guy.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's everybody very stubborn though like he can just can't
he just look at him say I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He is absolutely stubborn. I think it is BARACKO Bob.
I think it is Nancy Pelosi. I think it is
Chuck Schumer. I think it is every leader in the
Democrat Party. It's not Kamala Harris Kamo is not allowed
in the room, but I think it is. And they
go to him and they're pitch to him. They say, Joe,
you were an historic president, you saved America from Donald Trump.
You wanted to be the next FDR. I think they will.
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They will appeal to his vanity and say you are
the next to FDR. You are consequential right now. If
you stay in the race, you risk undoing your entire
legacy and giving that legacy going down in history as
the man who made Donald Trump president. If you stay
in this race, it will be your fault that Trump
is president. I think they'll appeal to his vanity and
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and look that that is, I think to Joe bideny
really powerful pitch.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Look you look at the debate tonight. He said things.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
At one point, he said, during Trump's presidency, we had
a thousand trillionaires. By the way, there are no trillionaires
on planet Earth. At another point, he said, during Donald Trump,
we had fifty percent unemployment.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
No, that is wildly wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
At another point, he said he created Joe Biden created
hundreds of millions of jobs. Mind you, there three hundred
and thirty million Americans and apparently he's created hundreds of
millions of jobs, so more more jobs than there are
working Americans. Like it is, every answer was a problem.
At another point, he said, the Border Patrol endorsed me.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Let's be clear.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The Border Patrol Union immediately tweeted out to be clear,
we have never and will never endorse Biden at every stage.
And what's interesting, he was also trying to insult Trump. Yeah,
and Trump didn't take debate. Yeah, and he was smart.
It was really at Actually when Trump poked Biden, Biden
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freaked out. He couldn't not debate. And so the contrast,
and I'll say something else. You mentioned African American votes.
Trump's numbers are surging in the black community, and I
think tonight he made a very hard pitch for black voters,
and his most significant pitch. He had a lot of
points about how bad Trump, how bad Biden has been
for the African American community, talked about inflation, how it's
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hammering black families, but then he also tied it to
illegal immigration, and he said, look, the millions and millions
of ill immigrants that are coming into this country. They're
taking jobs from black Americans. That is a powerful argument.
That is an argument. And by the way, Biden had
no response to that. It was silent. It was on
the substance. Trump prosecuted the case and Biden crashed and burned.
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And in fact, the Wall Street Journal just sent out
their key takeaway, their story that they wrote tonight, and
it's now ten forty seven pm, and their headline is
Biden crashed in first debate with Trump. That's not an editorial,
that's the news headline in the Wall Street Journal because
it is just objectively. If you watch the Hindenburg explode,
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you don't say Zeppelin landed tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Great point.
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let's also talk about those that have been lying. The
media center has been lying, congressmen have been lying, staff
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members have been lying. They've been going on TV telling
you that Joe Biden can run circles around me. The
White House Press Secretary saying over and over again, saying
there's no cognitive decline here, saying that he's in perfect health.
This guy is is a beast. You know, he's jacked
up aviator Joe. Now they're all actually having to admit
they're wrong, but no one's gonna, i think, call them
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accountable for that. They're just gonna run out there and say, clearly,
it's time for him to step aside, step aside, step aside,
which is also weird because if you're not cognitive, you
don't have the cognitibility to be president in the future, right,
and they're saying he can't be the president come January again,
then when does the twenty fifth and does that even
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come up? Because you're admitting that he's basically incapacitated.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Now, yeah, listen, we have seen reporters and we've seen
Democrats lying about Joe's mental capacity for a long time,
and nobody fair and objective who watched tonight could conclude
anything other than this is a man who is seriously
mentally diminished. You know it's interesting Andrew Yang, who you remember,
ran for president against Joe in twenty twenty, he tweeted
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out tonight, quote, look, I debated Joe seven times in
twenty twenty. He's a different guy in twenty twenty four,
hashtag swap Joe out that that's from one of the
alternative one of the other candidates who ran against twenty twenty,
from a prominent Democrat. Two of the top trends that
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were trending tonight right after the debate were dementia and
Michelle Obama.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Now that's bad news.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I's if that's what's what is trending. And all right,
I want to wrap up tonight's pod with this. I'm
going to do something I have rarely, if ever done.
I may never have done this before. I'm going to
praise CNN this morning's debate. You and I both thought
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Jake Tapper and Dana Bash would do a terrible job.
They both hate Donald Trump, they both have become hard partisans.
CNN did an excellent job tonight with this debate. Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash. That was the best debate moderation
they have ever done. They ask good questions, They asked
substantive questions. They didn't make the debate about them. One
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of the interesting things no one is debating about the
moderators bad debate moderators. When Chris Wallace debated moderated, the
whole debate was about him because he wanted to be
right in the center of the show. When Candy Crowley
from CNN was the moderator between Obama and Mitt Romney,
she made it all about her. Jake and Dana they
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asked good questions, They moved subjects along. They would press
the candidates, but not in a jerky way. They just say,
I asked you the following question, you have another sixty
seconds to answer. When they didn't get their questions answered,
that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a debate moderator to
to do. I've been in multiple debates that each of
them have moderated. I think they both were incredibly sensitive
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to everyone laying out the facts that they have shown
wild bias, and tonight tonight they didn't and they did
an excellent job, and I think that was a service
to the country.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I have to ask you one other question, because everyone's
asking it in their head right now, what is the
hold on a second?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You didn't respond to that, and since you're a former
employee of CNN, I'm not gonna let you bet. Ben,
you have sixty two seconds. The question is do you
think Jake and Danna did a good job.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I think they did a decent job. And here's why
I'm not gonna get them as much cred as you did.
You ready for this, all right, but I'm gonna make
you answer it. I'm not gonna let you wiggle away.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Fair point. Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I think they were in as much shock as we were, going,
Holy crap, I'm watching an incapacitated president of the United
States of America, and they were caught so off guard
they said, just stick to the script, Just stick the script,
Just stick the script, like it was a default mode.
Because because it was such a glaring disaster with Biden
that no one, no, none of the moderators were honestly
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paying attention to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yes, but.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Jake and DNA were more measured than I've ever seen them.
They were deliberately controlled. They knew that half the country
viewed them as wild eyed partisans. Look, we played this
morning Jake analogizing Trump to Adolf Hitler. Yes, and I
still believe that to I think he believes it. But
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tonight that didn't come out. And and so if we're
going to criticize him when when he's not doing a
good job, I will say.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I think they think that they did their job.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The biggest political train wreck in American history, and they
were in it and it was like, I don't know
what to do?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How do you triage this? And so they got rid
of some of that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I think if Joe Biden would have showed up jacked
up like you did at the say of the Union,
I think it would have been a completely different debate
from the moderators standpoint. But I think they saw what
everybody else saw, which was we have a present that
is incapacitated and the whole world is watching it now.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And no one can stop it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
There was no one to step in and lead him
off the stage like Barack Obama did two weeks ago,
Which brings me back to that question that everyone's asking,
how quickly will we find out if the conversations with
Joe Biden are going to work to get him to
step aside?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Number one? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And number two, how quickly do Democrats have to fall
back in line and stick with this guy if he
doesn't decide to step down. And those are the two
most important questions. Maybe the entire night.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Three weeks, twenty one days, this happens or doesn't happen.
In three weeks, I think you're going to have massive
chaos following this debate. You're going to have massive panic.
People are going to go to Michelle Obama. People are
going to go to Joe Biden. I don't think given
the train wreck that happened tonight, I don't think they'll
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wait until after the Democrat Convention. I think they feel
a panic right now. I think they're going to want
Michelle Obama to be the keynote speaker at the Democrat Convention,
not Joe Biden. So I think we have twenty one
days for this to play out and look over the
course of the last year, I've handicapped this. I initially
laid it out as a possibility, then shifted as the
Democrats and the media we're starting to get nervous about
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Joe Biden. I shifted to about fifty percent. As we
sit here today, I put the odds at north of
eighty percent that Michelle Obama is the Democrat nominee on
the ballot in November of this year.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This has been fun. It's shocking. It is crazy to
watch this debate in real time. Never watch anything like this.
It's also fun doing a dual show with you with
my podcasts and you're in our podcast and this being
on the radio as well. Don't forget you can download
Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do this three days a
week Monday, we was Ay Friday. You can grab my
show obviously every day. And if you're listening to this
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on the radio, thank you and make sure you downloaded
the podcast that we just mentioned and the center. I
will see you back here for the Week in Reviews Saturday,
which is a recap of the past week. It's going
to be one heck of a show. And you can
also grab my show as well. We'll see you back
here soon.
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
This is also going to be the Ben Ferguson podcast,
and many of you are going to hear this on
radio stations as well. This is moments after the presidential debate,
Center Cruz. I didn't think it could actually be this bad.
It was worse than even I think either of us
(00:22):
could have imagined. And now the Democratic Party is screaming
replaced the president.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, you and I are sitting here at is ten
seventeen pm Texas time, at is eleven seventeen pm East
Coast time, the night of the debate. The debate just ended,
and I have to say we have just witnessed what
I believe is the most consequential presidential debate in US history.
Sometimes debate change, debates change things. Sometimes they don't. I
believe to bite tonight's debate change things fundamentally. And I
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believe the odds have now skyrocketed. I believe the odds
are north of eighty percent that the Democrat Party will
remove Joe Biden from the ticket and replace him. And
I believe they are likely to replace Joe Biden with
Michelle Obama because Biden did so disastrously badly tonight that
Democrats across the country are in utter freefall and complete panic.
(01:14):
We're going to break all that down tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And by the way, this was a prediction that you
made on this show back in September of twenty twenty
three that the Democratic king makers could bring in Michelle
Obama will break all that down. I want to tell
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Support IFCJ dot org Centaer. I want to get to
some of the highlights, but even before we get to
the debate, I think the most shocking part is what
happened directly after the debate.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
This was the.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
First thing that America heard on CNN, the host of
the debate.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's into the debate, and it continues right now. It
involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,
and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they
think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people
down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations
about what they should do about it. Some of those
conversations include, should we go to the White House and
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ask the president's step aside? Or other of the conversations
are about should prominent Democrats go public with that call
because they feel this debate was so terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
They do say in moments in the debate.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Later the president got better and got his footing, but
then at the end, even his closing statement was a
little halting the contrast between the two candidates.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Let me be clear, none of them and.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
A lot of Republicans don't think Donald Trump had a
great night. Donald Trump broke the fact check machine more
than I can count tonight. That will be on the
record as we go forward. He refused to answer some
very specific and direct questions about his conduct about January sixth.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
And what all.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So that will be dealt.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
With out there. And sometimes there's a parallel universe between
the political elites and the American people. Be nice to
see what the voters say. But I can tell you
it started minutes in. It started with the first couple
of answers, and it has continued throughout the night from
oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To what do we do about this?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
And it involves very senior people in the Democratic Party,
including elected officials, saying we have a problem, and just we.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Have a problem.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They're moving actively right now to replace Joe Biden, saying
we've got time before the convention, which is exactly what
you predicted on this show nine months ago.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, let me say what you played just there. I
agree with half of it, and I disagree with half
of it. What I do agree with is that Joe
Biden did unbelievably badly, that the degree of dementia he
is facing right now, it is escalated to a point
that it is unrecognizable. And I think there are a
great many Democrats who are looking at this saying we
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cannot nominate this man. He is not capable. He doesn't
know what's going on. In a second, we're going to
play a couple of clips that show that. But it
was I will say, as badly as I thought Joe
Biden was going to do, he did worse. It was stunning.
I've never seen a debate performance this bad. But the
part I disagree of what you just played is I
think Donald Trump had hands down his best debate performance
(05:50):
he has ever had in his life.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Look.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I've stood on that stage with Donald Trump about a
dozen times, and I've seen him and sometimes he said
good debates. Sometimes he's had less than good debates. Tonight
he did exactly what earlier this morning, you and I
did a special podcast preparing for this debate, and what
you and I talked about that Trump needed to do
is be calm, be measured, be under control, not interrupt
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Joe Biden, let him hang himself, give him the airtime
to talk. And Trump did that spectacularly. He was restrained,
even as Biden was saying ridiculous things. He was restrained,
he was calmed, he was matter of fact. He prosecuted
the case and Biden couldn't handle it. Biden repeatedly, what
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was screaming, You're a liar, you're lying, you could I
mean he was. There were moments. Look, it's clear we
talked before about the meds. They had him on meds.
They put him on different meds from the State of
the Union. He was not nearly as amped up as
he was at the State of the Union. But when
Trump poked him and he got angry, Biden couldn't respond
(06:59):
other than just screaming, liar, liar, liar. And he returned
to the State of the Union, old man on his
front porch, screaming, get off my front port. She had
moments like that, But that's not even the dominant takeaway.
The dominant takeaway is this is a man who doesn't
know what's going on here.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I want to play the.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Clip early in the debate where he just completely loses
his train of thought, and this is the answer at
which I think people all over the country said, uh, oh,
this guy's just not there.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Give a listen.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
I sculd me with dealing with everything we have to
do with. Look, if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
We finally beat medicare, I mean Donald Trump's response was quote,
I don't I really don't know what he said at
the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows
what he said either.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And Biden gets lost and and Trump counters with what
he counters to. That is and by the way, the
question had nothing to do with medicare, Like the word
medicare comes completely out of left field. It's the only
thing he mentioned. He's just like, we finally beat medicare.
And then Trump cames and said, well, he said at
the end, he beat medicare. He beat it to death.
(08:16):
Give a listen to Trump's response. Play the next clip.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
All those things we need to do, childcare, eldercare, making
sure that we continue to suppend strength in our healthcare system,
making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
person eligible for what I've been able to do with
the h with the COVID I exculd me with dealing
with every day we have to do with Look, if
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we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you, President Biden.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
President Trump, Well, he's right, he did beat medicare, beat
it to death. And he's destroying medicare because all of
these people are coming in, they're putting them on Medicare,
They're putting them on.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean you hear that he just stopped, didn't know
what he was doing. And if you look at the
look on his face, Senator Joe Biden actually looked lost
and was looking around like what am I doing?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Where am I?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
His brain was frozen, it short circuited throughout the time.
I'll tell you Joe Biden did badly when he wasn't talking.
When he wasn't talking, the look on his face was
a look of confusion. Listen, anyone who's ever dealt with
with an elderly parent, an elderly grandparent who's dealing with
the loss of their faculties knows that look. My grandmother Miabuela,
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whom I love, she had Alzheimer's. I've seen, I've seen
what happens. It was clear he didn't know what was
going on. He was just confused. And even his most
passionate defenders, they can't defend them all, right, Maria Shriver.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I just saw this.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Kennel Kennedy, Yeah, I just saw this.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Democrat 're Democrat Royalty. Let me read you what she
just tweeted moments ago.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I love Joe Biden. I know he's a good man.
I know his heart is good. I know he's dedicated
to our country and is surrounded by good people. Tonight
was heartbreaking in many ways. This is a big political moment.
There's panic in the Democratic Party. It's going to be
a long night. The Democrats have lost Maria Shriver. That's
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a problem.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, and listen to Abby Phillips. Abby Phillips saying this
on CNN as well in the moments afterwards. This is
how she described how bad it was for Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
And just to co sign what John is saying. I mean,
the panic that I am hearing from Democrats is not
like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far,
and a lot of it has to do with First
of all, there was a deep frustration about Trump's lies.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, he lied a lot tonight.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
But the problem for Biden was that Trump was able
to take sometimes incredible falsehoods and turn them into some
kind of argument, whereas Biden's answers were in a lot
of cases not coherent, deeply problematic. That he was not
able to take pretty straightforward answers and answer them to.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
The that's CNN.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That is CNN who's saying the Democrats are panicking and
Biden's answers where in a lot of cases not go here,
all right, play Van Jones, Van Jones, this is the
hard left here, he's on CNN.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Listen. Here's what Van Jones had to say.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I was painful. I love Joe Biden. I worked for
Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all. He did
not do well at all.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's like a funeral. It's like you're watching a funeral
in real time on CNN. And this is their instant reaction.
These are the first voices that America heard after the debate.
Drudge Report, for example, which used to be pretty conservative center,
now they really hate Donald Trump. Their headline right now
is Operation Replace Biden, dim scramble with one hundred and
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thirty days to go debate catastrophe, Which brings me back
to let's go back to nine months ago. Nine months ago,
September the eighteenth, You and I had this conversation. And
by the way, there were a lot in the media,
and there were a lot of other people in Washington
that said you and I were crazy for having this conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So let's play the clip.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So here's the scenario that I think is perhaps most
likely and most dangerous. In August of twenty twenty four,
the Democrat Kingmakers jettison Joe Biden and parachute in Michelle Obama, and.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I want you to pause and reflect on it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So I'm pausing, and I'm reflecting, as we said, and
so is everybody else listening.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Right now, I view this as a very serious danger.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I'm smiling right now because it terrifies me. And I
also could totally see this happen.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So Michelle Obama, number one, you don't infuriate African American women,
which is a critical part of the constituency that Democrats
are relying on to win. But number two, you avoid
the problem if you pick from any of the four.
The other three are pissed because they're all, to some
extent peers, they're rivals, they're all jabbin knives at each other.
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Michelle Obama, because she was first Lady, has the ability
to kind of parachute in above all four and say, hey,
we're not picking among any of you. You guys can
all fight it out. Next time. You're all going to
be on the same level. We're coming. This is the
Obamas saving the day. And I think in terms of
a solution, that unifies Democrats.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
There ain't nothing like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I also think Michelle is not all that eager to
run for president. But to parachute in in August of
twenty four, a couple of months before the presidency and
suddenly wake up and to be president not a bad gig.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
It's not a bad gig at all. Now would she
do it? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I've met Michelle, but I don't know her personally in
any meaningful way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I don't know if she would do it.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I do think Barack Obama is already running the Biden administration.
I think he is already the puppet master behind this
Biden white House. I don't think Joe Biden is the
decision maker. And so when I see the media turning
on Joe Biden right now, I think the odds of
Michelle Obama parachuting in in August of twenty twenty four
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have risen dramatically, and that ought to scare the hell
out anyone who is unhappy about the direction this country
is going and doesn't want us to go even crazier
in an even worse direct.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
September eighteenth, center of twenty twenty three, we had this
discussion and even right now on MSN dot com. The
headline is we beat Medicare Biden Freeze's mid answer before
being bailed out by moderator, and then they go on
to talk about that was a total disaster by the
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sitting president and Democrats are running to replace Joe Biden,
so they're not even having the conversation behind closed doors.
They're having it out on national TV right now and
in the news.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, and Ben, what you've just played is I think
as good a promo for this podcast as you possibly
could have.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
What we are facing right now.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
We predicted on this podcast nine months ago, in September
of twenty twenty three. We were among the very first
voices to do that. At the time, it made a
bunch of headlines. And you're right, people thought we were
batcrap crazy. Let's be clear, they thought I was bat
crap crazy. I shouldn't say we had stick you into that.
You were there while I was making that prediction, and
they were like, Cruise has lost his mind. And by
(15:52):
the way, in terms of predictions, we also at the
outset of COVID laid out all of the evidence that
COVID originated in the Chinese lab in when CNN and ABC, CBS,
NBC were suppressing that news, when Facebook and Twitter were
suppressing that news. We were laying out the evidence then
and this morning, before the debate, our analysis of the debate,
(16:13):
I predicted, unequivocally, Donald Trump is going to kick Joe
Biden's ass. That was my prediction. That is exactly what happened.
It was the title of the show. And there were
not a lot of people predicting that, but I number one,
thought Biden would do terribly. But number two, if Trump
could remain controlled, and he did that, he did that
(16:35):
in an excellent way. I'm going to call President Trump
tomorrow and tell him it's the best debate he's ever done,
and I've been there for a lot of them. He
was measured, he was controlled, he was fact based, He
laid out the case. Even his response on medicare, Let's
take the one we just played. It would be easy
to be starky and say, okay, this guy is like
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that answer is incoherent. What Trump did was even better.
There said I mean, look, he said he actually did
beat medicare, which was obviously a weird brain short circuit.
And he said the reason he beat Medicare is because
he's let millions and millions of legal immigrants into this country.
He's putting them all in Medicare, which is going to
bankrupt Medicare. And that was a major message that Trump
(17:16):
is hitting, is that the invasion on our southern border
is also bankrupting Medicare and social Security. I think that
was a smart decision to lean in on that. Joe
Biden had no answer. He had no response all night long.
As Trump laid out the case you caused the inflation,
Joe Biden had no response to that. As Trump laid
out the people who are being murdered all across this
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country from criminals and insane asylums. When Trump would say, look,
Venezuela is emptying their jails and sending US murderers and
rapists and child molesters and lunatics, you saw Joe Biden
just looking confused. He had no response, He didn't dispute it.
He had nothing to say in response on foreign policy,
and we talked about this again in this morning's podcast
(18:00):
and just said, well, if Trump's president Putin will invade
all of Ukraine and all of Europe, and Trump is like,
what utter crap? When I was president Russia didn't invade
one square inch of territory anywhere on planet Earth. And
by the way, he did under Barack Obama, and he
did under Joe Biden. You're so weak that that's why
Putin invaded and it. Trump did an excellent job of
(18:23):
prosecuting the case, and Biden was utterly incapable of responding.
And I think you are seeing seeing Democrats freaking out now.
I believe there are two things. Well, let me say
a couple of things. Number one, let me tell you why.
I believe it'll be Michelle Obama because you're going to
see today and tomorrow all sorts of discussion. You're gonna
(18:44):
hear Gavin Newsome, You're gonna hear all sorts of other names.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think if they do it, what's the pitch Because
it's gonna start with Barack Obama, who was just leading
Joe Biden off stage, remember, and everybody saw it like
he was an elderly old man in opa home. And
I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm just being
honest about it. And clearly he witnessed how bad it was.
Then is he the guy that has to look at
Michelle and I going I'd do it, but I can.
(19:10):
I've already been president for eight years. It has to
be you, honey.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, let me break it to two pieces. Let me
tell you why it has to be Michelle. It has
to be Michelle because of Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris is
the VP. If you push Joe Biden aside, Kamala's next
in line. The people who say we want Gavin Newsom,
you know what if the Democrat Party pushes an African
American woman aside and replaces her with a white guy,
(19:36):
their party implodes. They cannot do it. They are being
counters and they are faced. It's actually what forced Joe
Biden to pick Kamala in the first place. He backed
himself into it. He doesn't like Kamala. And the problem
Democrats are having that now is they're looking at Joe Biden.
They're saying, oh my goodness, this guy cannot be our nominee.
And they look at Kamala and they recognize she's a
(19:58):
terrible nominee. And if she's the nominee, they know they'll lose.
And so their problem is the only person on planet
Earth who can push Kamala Harris aside is Michelle Obama
another African American woman who stands on a different footing
as a former first lady. Now, what are the impediments
(20:20):
that stop it? The impediments are twofold number one, Michelle
says no, number two. Joe Biden says no. On the
Michelle says no. I think you're going to have Barrock
coming to her. I think you're going to have a
lot of Democrat kingmakers coming to her. And the pitch
is going to be, Michelle, you need to save America. Michelle,
we need you, Michelle. If you do not step forward,
(20:41):
Donald Trump is going to be president. Michelle, you are
the only person on planet Earth that can save the
world from a Donald Trump presidency.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
And listen.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
People perceive Michelle Obama as somewhat nonpartisan because she was
a first late in first ladies kind of stay out
of politics. I think she is more radical than Barack.
I think she is an ideologue. I think she is
a leftist. You remember when when Barack Obama was running
and she talked about his getting elected was the first
time in her life she was proud of her country.
(21:10):
I think she embraces hardcore leftism, but a lot of
people don't know that. And so the pitch to her
is going to be save America. And then the pitch
to Joe Biden. She's got to say yes number one.
And then too, Joe Biden has got to agree to
step aside. And I think you're going to see in
the coming days. You know, you played my prediction from
September of twenty twenty three. The only thing I might
(21:32):
have gotten wrong is I said that this would happen
in August of twenty twenty four. It may be July
of twenty twenty four. I may have been a month
off in the timing. Because this debate I think changed
the fundamental terrain.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's also talk about there was two moments that I
think really speak to the demise of the cognitive colan
of Joe Biden. And it was subtle but significant, and
I want to get.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Your reaction to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
There was one moment when he was asked about social
Security and he gave a very very short answer and
then the moderators looked at him like, what are you doing?
You still have I think they said eighty four seconds
left or something like that. There was another time he
was talking about African American voters, African American community, and
African American issues. And they're like, sir, you still have
like another minute and ex ember of seconds, sixty four
(22:22):
seconds left.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
He couldn't even.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
By the way, he spent eight days at Camp David
preparing and he could not fill the two minutes with
it a the.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Two minutes on two vitally important issues like social Security.
Any politician should be able to fill for two minutes.
In fact, you should be able to fill.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
These were not subtle, These were not gotcha's, These were
obvious questions. He had nothing to say. He was scared.
He was a deer in the headlights.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
So you said, deer in headlights. Let's go to the
next conversation that's being had right now. And I'm sure
it's being had at the White House, at the EOB,
at the Camp Paying headquarters. Who goes to the president
first and says step down? And then you're also dealing.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
With every guy.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's everybody very stubborn though like he can just can't
he just look at him say I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He is absolutely stubborn. I think it is BARACKO Bob.
I think it is Nancy Pelosi. I think it is
Chuck Schumer. I think it is every leader in the
Democrat Party. It's not Kamala Harris Kamo is not allowed
in the room, but I think it is. And they
go to him and they're pitch to him. They say, Joe,
you were an historic president, you saved America from Donald Trump.
You wanted to be the next FDR. I think they will.
(23:34):
They will appeal to his vanity and say you are
the next to FDR. You are consequential right now. If
you stay in the race, you risk undoing your entire
legacy and giving that legacy going down in history as
the man who made Donald Trump president. If you stay
in this race, it will be your fault that Trump
is president. I think they'll appeal to his vanity and
(23:55):
and look that that is, I think to Joe bideny
really powerful pitch.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Look you look at the debate tonight. He said things.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
At one point, he said, during Trump's presidency, we had
a thousand trillionaires. By the way, there are no trillionaires
on planet Earth. At another point, he said, during Donald Trump,
we had fifty percent unemployment.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
No, that is wildly wrong.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
At another point, he said he created Joe Biden created
hundreds of millions of jobs. Mind you, there three hundred
and thirty million Americans and apparently he's created hundreds of
millions of jobs, so more more jobs than there are
working Americans. Like it is, every answer was a problem.
At another point, he said, the Border Patrol endorsed me.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Let's be clear.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
The Border Patrol Union immediately tweeted out to be clear,
we have never and will never endorse Biden at every stage.
And what's interesting, he was also trying to insult Trump. Yeah,
and Trump didn't take debate. Yeah, and he was smart.
It was really at Actually when Trump poked Biden, Biden
(24:57):
freaked out. He couldn't not debate. And so the contrast,
and I'll say something else. You mentioned African American votes.
Trump's numbers are surging in the black community, and I
think tonight he made a very hard pitch for black voters,
and his most significant pitch. He had a lot of
points about how bad Trump, how bad Biden has been
for the African American community, talked about inflation, how it's
(25:20):
hammering black families, but then he also tied it to
illegal immigration, and he said, look, the millions and millions
of ill immigrants that are coming into this country. They're
taking jobs from black Americans. That is a powerful argument.
That is an argument. And by the way, Biden had
no response to that. It was silent. It was on
the substance. Trump prosecuted the case and Biden crashed and burned.
(25:47):
And in fact, the Wall Street Journal just sent out
their key takeaway, their story that they wrote tonight, and
it's now ten forty seven pm, and their headline is
Biden crashed in first debate with Trump. That's not an editorial,
that's the news headline in the Wall Street Journal because
it is just objectively. If you watch the Hindenburg explode,
(26:09):
you don't say Zeppelin landed tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Great point.
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let's also talk about those that have been lying. The
media center has been lying, congressmen have been lying, staff
(28:03):
members have been lying. They've been going on TV telling
you that Joe Biden can run circles around me. The
White House Press Secretary saying over and over again, saying
there's no cognitive decline here, saying that he's in perfect health.
This guy is is a beast. You know, he's jacked
up aviator Joe. Now they're all actually having to admit
they're wrong, but no one's gonna, i think, call them
(28:24):
accountable for that. They're just gonna run out there and say, clearly,
it's time for him to step aside, step aside, step aside,
which is also weird because if you're not cognitive, you
don't have the cognitibility to be president in the future, right,
and they're saying he can't be the president come January again,
then when does the twenty fifth and does that even
(28:46):
come up? Because you're admitting that he's basically incapacitated.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Now, yeah, listen, we have seen reporters and we've seen
Democrats lying about Joe's mental capacity for a long time,
and nobody fair and objective who watched tonight could conclude
anything other than this is a man who is seriously
mentally diminished. You know it's interesting Andrew Yang, who you remember,
ran for president against Joe in twenty twenty, he tweeted
(29:12):
out tonight, quote, look, I debated Joe seven times in
twenty twenty. He's a different guy in twenty twenty four,
hashtag swap Joe out that that's from one of the
alternative one of the other candidates who ran against twenty twenty,
from a prominent Democrat. Two of the top trends that
(29:33):
were trending tonight right after the debate were dementia and
Michelle Obama.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Now that's bad news.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I's if that's what's what is trending. And all right,
I want to wrap up tonight's pod with this. I'm
going to do something I have rarely, if ever done.
I may never have done this before. I'm going to
praise CNN this morning's debate. You and I both thought
(30:01):
Jake Tapper and Dana Bash would do a terrible job.
They both hate Donald Trump, they both have become hard partisans.
CNN did an excellent job tonight with this debate. Jake
Tapper and Dana Bash. That was the best debate moderation
they have ever done. They ask good questions, They asked
substantive questions. They didn't make the debate about them. One
(30:24):
of the interesting things no one is debating about the
moderators bad debate moderators. When Chris Wallace debated moderated, the
whole debate was about him because he wanted to be
right in the center of the show. When Candy Crowley
from CNN was the moderator between Obama and Mitt Romney,
she made it all about her. Jake and Dana they
(30:44):
asked good questions, They moved subjects along. They would press
the candidates, but not in a jerky way. They just say,
I asked you the following question, you have another sixty
seconds to answer. When they didn't get their questions answered,
that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a debate moderator to
to do. I've been in multiple debates that each of
them have moderated. I think they both were incredibly sensitive
(31:07):
to everyone laying out the facts that they have shown
wild bias, and tonight tonight they didn't and they did
an excellent job, and I think that was a service
to the country.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I have to ask you one other question, because everyone's
asking it in their head right now, what is the
hold on a second?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You didn't respond to that, and since you're a former
employee of CNN, I'm not gonna let you bet. Ben,
you have sixty two seconds. The question is do you
think Jake and Danna did a good job.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I think they did a decent job. And here's why
I'm not gonna get them as much cred as you did.
You ready for this, all right, but I'm gonna make
you answer it. I'm not gonna let you wiggle away.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Fair point. Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I think they were in as much shock as we were, going,
Holy crap, I'm watching an incapacitated president of the United
States of America, and they were caught so off guard
they said, just stick to the script, Just stick the script,
Just stick the script, like it was a default mode.
Because because it was such a glaring disaster with Biden
that no one, no, none of the moderators were honestly
(32:06):
paying attention to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yes, but.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Jake and DNA were more measured than I've ever seen them.
They were deliberately controlled. They knew that half the country
viewed them as wild eyed partisans. Look, we played this
morning Jake analogizing Trump to Adolf Hitler. Yes, and I
still believe that to I think he believes it. But
(32:32):
tonight that didn't come out. And and so if we're
going to criticize him when when he's not doing a
good job, I will say.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I think they think that they did their job.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The biggest political train wreck in American history, and they
were in it and it was like, I don't know
what to do?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How do you triage this? And so they got rid
of some of that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I think if Joe Biden would have showed up jacked
up like you did at the say of the Union,
I think it would have been a completely different debate
from the moderators standpoint. But I think they saw what
everybody else saw, which was we have a present that
is incapacitated and the whole world is watching it now.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And no one can stop it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
There was no one to step in and lead him
off the stage like Barack Obama did two weeks ago,
Which brings me back to that question that everyone's asking,
how quickly will we find out if the conversations with
Joe Biden are going to work to get him to
step aside?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Number one? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And number two, how quickly do Democrats have to fall
back in line and stick with this guy if he
doesn't decide to step down. And those are the two
most important questions. Maybe the entire night.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Three weeks, twenty one days, this happens or doesn't happen.
In three weeks, I think you're going to have massive
chaos following this debate. You're going to have massive panic.
People are going to go to Michelle Obama. People are
going to go to Joe Biden. I don't think given
the train wreck that happened tonight, I don't think they'll
(34:06):
wait until after the Democrat Convention. I think they feel
a panic right now. I think they're going to want
Michelle Obama to be the keynote speaker at the Democrat Convention,
not Joe Biden. So I think we have twenty one
days for this to play out and look over the
course of the last year, I've handicapped this. I initially
laid it out as a possibility, then shifted as the
Democrats and the media we're starting to get nervous about
(34:28):
Joe Biden. I shifted to about fifty percent. As we
sit here today, I put the odds at north of
eighty percent that Michelle Obama is the Democrat nominee on
the ballot in November of this year.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This has been fun. It's shocking. It is crazy to
watch this debate in real time. Never watch anything like this.
It's also fun doing a dual show with you with
my podcasts and you're in our podcast and this being
on the radio as well. Don't forget you can download
Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do this three days a
week Monday, we was Ay Friday. You can grab my
show obviously every day. And if you're listening to this
(35:03):
on the radio, thank you and make sure you downloaded
the podcast that we just mentioned and the center. I
will see you back here for the Week in Reviews Saturday,
which is a recap of the past week. It's going
to be one heck of a show. And you can
also grab my show as well. We'll see you back
here soon.
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