May 7, 2025 • 33 mins
Jess Trevino lived a quiet life of true crime fandom - until she stumbled upon Talina Zar’s cryptic Facebook post. Isolated because of COVID, Jess assembles an online team of amateur sleuths determined to find out where Talina went. As they get wrapped up in the lives of total strangers, the sleuths discover that the question of What Happened to Talina Zar ? has no easy answers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Melissa Jelson, host of What Happened to Teleinazar.
I'm excited to share episode one of our new podcast
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Today the early days of the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're scary, the.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Mayor today, calling the spread unpredictable and worrisome. This morning
a grim new prediction. Nearly three hundred thousand deaths in
the US before the New year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
People come in, I get in, debated, they die.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The cycle repeats, but also but at some distance. The
things we did to cope with our fear were pretty weird.
Remember disinfecting our groceries, poording toilet paper, burning our mattresses.
I didn't do that, but I heard about a woman
who did because she thought it was contaminated with COVID.
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I remember holding my breath when I walked past another
person on a secluded lake in the middle of winter
with masks on. I'd left New York for rural Pennsylvania
with my boyfriend to ride out the worst of COVID.
We packed for a weekend and stayed for two months.
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I ended up marrying the man to we have a baby. Now,
looking back, what sticks with me the most about that
time is that queasy feeling that everyone I encountered, the
Amazon driver, the checkout lady at the grocery store. It
was a potential suspect, someone who could unwittingly kill me
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and my family just by breathing. COVID. Isolation severed even
the strongest connections, made it easy to hide behind a
mask or behind closed doors, and this changed our collective
psyche made us do things we probably wouldn't have otherwise,
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things we were forced into, or things would always wanted
to do and never had the opportunity. It certainly changed
the trajectory of Jess Travigno's life.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I was scared, you know, like most of the world.
I didn't know what was going to happen, or how
deadly the virus was, or we didn't know very much.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right one day in April twenty twenty, Jess is in
her kitchen, newly unemployed, because you know, COVID and she's
trying to take her mind off the chaos of the pandemic.
She's attempting to replicate the latest food trend she sees online,
a two layered drink called Dalgona coffee.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I was making that whipped coffee that you had seen
go viral during COVID. I'm obsessed with coffee. Obsessed. It's
a terrible obsession. I drink probably two pots a day
plus espresso.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But I was making this coffee and I'm scrolling on
Facebook and I see this post, and I was like,
this sounds insane.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The post is by a woman in Oklahoma who contracted
coronavirus and announced she would not be seeking medical care.
Something about her post stops Jess cold. Here's a recreation
of parts of the post.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Hey everyone, I'm on day nine of this virus, and
I am pretty sure it has reached my lungs. Feeling
a little raspy and tight. I made the decision at
the onset that if it got bad enough, I would
not go to the hospital. Those of you who know
me well know I have DNR orders in my health
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directive and I'm not gonna let anyone intobate me. So
I've made arrangements to spend some quality alone time at
one of my favorite idaways at one of my favorite lakes,
and I've booked it for the remainder of this week.
Didn't fill up to driving, so I hired a ride.
I'm almost there. Please respect my privacy and give me
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my alone time on the lake. I haven't been chatting
with some of you calling you back. I didn't want
to be talked out of this plan. After I post this,
I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
I'll catch up with everyone on the other side.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Jess reads closer. The woman's name is Teleina Tzar. She
is fifty three years old. It seems that no one
has heard from Telena since her post a few weeks ago.
Jess squints at Telena's profile picture, a smiling selfie taken
in the car, her blue green eyes twinkling, and tries
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to understand why a person would make such a decision.
Why would someone with COVID leave their friends and family
and go off alone instead of seeking help? And where
did she go? Jess, We'll spend the next four years
searching for the answer.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Sometimes when I tell this story, they're like you're making
this up, but nobody has an imagination like this. You
couldn't make this story up. There's one hundred little twists
and turns that every time you go down a different road,
it's another what the fuck is this? Why is this happening?
I mean, initially, when I told you, did you believe me?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jelson and this is what
happened to Telena's OAR episode one Alone Time.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
My name is Jess Travino. I'm a really nosy person,
so that's how I got caught up in all this.
My mom said, I've always been knowsy my whole life.
She said, You've always just wanted to know everything about everything.
So if I didn't know something, I'd be poking around
trying to figure it out. It's not a very endearing
thing about me, but it is who I am. It
took me like forty years to like me, so I'm
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just gonna embrace it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Jess's life can be divided into two parts, before she
read Telena's Facebook post and after.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
My whole life has been consumed by this. Since twenty twenty,
I've spent four years of my life on her.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Jess emailed me in twenty twenty three asking me to
look into the disappearance of her friend Talna'zar. She'd come
across the earlier seasons of this podcast, What Happened to
Sandy Beal, What Happened to Libby Caswell.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I remember that I couldn't stop listening. I'd listened to
it when I was going to buy it, and then
when I got out in the morning, and I'd listened
to it throughout the day, and you were so honest
about everything in it, like you've seen both sides, right.
So I was like, I'm going to reach out to her,
like maybe she'll tell a story and she can get
both sides, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Jess and I emailed back and forth a little bit
and had a few phone calls. I learned she was
using a loose definition of the word friend when she
first reached out to me. She hadn't met Telena, But
from what I was able to understand about Telena and
Jess's multi year investigation into her life, I was convinced
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I needed to learn more, and so I flew to
Minnesota to meet with Jess in person. Jess lives in
an old farmhouse surrounded by cornfields, about a fifty minute
drive from Minneapolis. Hey, we are just about three minutes away,
passing some more cornfields. No grocery store, no gas stations,
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nothing absolue.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think it's maybe this house.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We were a greening party. Yes, I wanted to be
out here when you guys can't make because this is
kind of like Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Going to the right place. That was perfect time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Melissa's nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So okay, heads up, the two dogs are out are
going to bark at you.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He just doesn't grow vegetables or raise farm animals, but
her walls are dotted with signs like farm, sweet Farm
and farmhouse Ish. Jess does have a lot of pets,
three dogs, two cats, and a lot of kids and
about a dozen wall clocks that chime at different times
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of the day. And well, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm forty one.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I am an events planner hospitality director for Minnesota Horse
and Hunt.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jess was born and raised in Minnesota and has spent
most of her life working in bars and restaurants. She
had her first child when she was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I was a dumb teenager. I did a lot of
stuff that I mean, nothing criminal, but just stupid. The
minute I found out I was pregnant, I decided I
cannot screw this up.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And went on to have three more.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Over here, we've got some family photos.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
We do so the tall one, this is Riley. He's
my Sunnay's twenty three, says Ty. He's twenty one, Maddie seventeen,
in Jocelyn fourteen. That's my husband and myself.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Jess had wanted to be a writer, she told me,
but becoming a young mom meant she wasn't able to
finish high school. Eventually, she got her ged and took
some college level writing classes before ultimately getting a more
practical degree in business. Since then, Jess has worked in
various capacities in the hospitality industry, from bartending to large
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event planning. She likes the work, but it's not her calling.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I feel like the only thing I've ever done that's
been really, really good is raise my kids.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
While she's giving me a tour of her home, I
notice her bookshelf is cramped with true crime stories, old
and new.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
My husband makes fun of me. I am and it
sounds really bad, but let me explain. I'm obsessed with
serial killers, and I mean obsessed. I don't know what
my problem is. It all comes from wanting to know
how their brain works, not like obsessed with Oh I
love murder, but I love trying to figure out why
and who and what was going through their brain? What
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makes you want to kill somebody?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Jess tells me her fascination with crime star when she
was still a kid. She remembers following the Menendaz Brother's
case on TV and watching oj Simpson's Bronco racing down
the Expressway in real time. But the first true crime
story that completely enthralled her was that of Eileen Warnos,
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who killed at least seven men between nineteen eighty nine
and nineteen ninety and has been dubbed America's first female
serial killer.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Eileen Mornos was a huge one for me. I thought
she was fascinating. I felt like she was very much
a victim and tried to understand where she was coming from.
You know, she was a prostitute and she had a
really hard life growing up, really hard life. She was
molested and raped, you know, from the time she was
a child. So that I got super interested, and then
I started looking at the Green River Killer and a
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Zodiac Killer, and just deep dived into all the serial killers.
I find them fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Jess became an avid reader of crime novels. She devoured
In Cold Blood by Truman Capoti, To Kill a Mockingbird
by Harperley, worked her way through the back catalog of
true crime Icon and Rule. The stories she liked the
best dealt with big, complicated questions of justice, punishment and fairness,
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what's right and what's wrong? And where those lines become blurry.
As a reporter who's dedicated my life to these topics,
I can relate. Later, around twenty seventeen, after crime podcasts
exploded onto the scene, Jess got into those too.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I listened to a ton of podcasts. I started with
Crime Junkies and then I went to Morbid. I'd listened
to Dateline if I'd missed an episode on TV, I
found you recently.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Obviously, for Jess, part of the thrill of all this
was discussing the cases with others on social media.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I just would join the pages after I'd listened to
a podcast, wanting to know, like let's discuss this, and like, hey, what'.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Do you think of this?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So you were an active participant, not just a lurker.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there.
I'm an action kind of girl.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
All those hours reading about true crime, listening to true crime,
discussing true crime provided Jess with a masterclass on how
not to get murdered. She knows, never go to a
second location, Always trust your instincts. You're much more likely
to be killed by someone you know than a stranger.
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If you can run, run. It also taught her some
real world skills on how to investigate cases, the same
type of skills I use in my reporting in between
bartending shifts and putting the kids to bed. Just learned
how to do a background check, how to trace people's
Internet footprints, how to track down old criminal records, and
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dig up archival news coverage.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I just love to know how point A got to
point F, trying to follow all the dots in between another.
People get a lot of shit online about being you know,
Internet tough guys and Internet armchair detectives. But we're in
a digital age. Maybe thirty years ago you needed the
boots on the ground and be there. But this is
the way that it's happening now. I feel like a
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lot of stuff is solved literally on the Internet.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's on the internet on a Facebook fan page for
crime Junkies, where Jess first sees Telenazar's post about having
COVID and choosing to go off into the wilderness alone
rather than go to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time
on the lake.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
A friend of Telena's named Nicole had uploaded screenshots of
Telena's post to the group in an attempt to solicit help.
I asked Jess to read some of Nichole's plea.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Hi Junkies. Since April seventh, my dear friend has been missing.
She left this post and we haven't heard from her.
Since the information we have doesn't make sense. I've spent
every day and night going over them. Out of desperation,
I thought I would post here and see what you
all think. My friend lives in a very small town
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near Tulsa, Oklahoma. The police would not investigate this because
of the post. She would not make people worry for
this long. She just wouldn't. And if she died from
this virus, where is her body? Am I being paranoid?
What can I do to locate her. I can't sleep,
but I can't really grieve or have any hope after
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this time. Anyone, anyone have any ideas on what to do?
Thanks in advance.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I just didn't feel like she would leave that many
people worried about her.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
This is Nicole Carr. She's the author of the post
asking for help finding to Lena.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It wouldn't be a strange for her to go off,
because if she was sick, she wouldn't have wanted to
make anyone else sick. But for her to just leave
people with no way of contacting her and knowing if
she was alive or dead was strange to me.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Nicole knew Telena's habits because she was one of her
best friends that had been close since they met in
twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It was love at first to get together.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
She was the kind of friend that you could call
at three am, knowing that she would answer with equal
part concern and humor to.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Cheer you up.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Her kitchen was her happy place, and she always had
the aroma of something simmering or cooking or frying, and
if not, she was planning something to.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Simmeror cooker, cook her fry.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Sharing a meal with her was really like being wrapped
up in love. She lived with her heart wide open,
and you couldn't help but just feel lucky that she
was in your life. Nicole and Tealina's friendship had always
it has been long distance that had never lived in
the same state at the same time, but they found
ways to connect both online and in person.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We did text a.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Lot and talked on the phone, and then also through
Facebook a lot, sharing memes, trying to.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Make each other laugh.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
In February twenty twenty, Talina went to Tennessee to visit
Nicole at her home.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
She came and spent three days with me.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We of course cooked and played video games and watched
TV and talked and cried and laughed, and we really
had a great visit. And it was right before they
asked everybody you know to go home and stay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Telena left and immediately the friends started planning their next visit.
This time Talina would host Nicole at her house in Wagner, Oklahoma,
but COVID got too big too quickly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
She wanted me to come visit her, and I really
wasn't comfortable in traveling at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
All in my family we have stuff wrong with us.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
You know they were really concerned about people like us
having COVID, So I declined the offer, And you know, I'll.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Never know what would have happened if I had gone.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
As the COVID pandemic took over everybody's lives, the friends
continued to communicate as they normally did, texting, keeping up
with each other's social media, and it was on Facebook
where Nicole saw that her friend wasn't feeling well. First
it was a post on Sunday, March twenty ninth about
a migraine, Day two of.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
A bad migraine, taking more meds and turning down my
phone volume so I can sleep.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I'll catch up with everyone later.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Migraines were a fairly regular occurrence for Teleina, so Nicole
didn't think much of it, But a day later, on Monday,
March thirtieth, she saw a post about Teleina's headache worsening
my weekend.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Migrain developed into a fever last night and it is
currently hovering around one hundred point five. I'm surfacing long
enough to go to the bathroom and get a drink.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Then it is back to sleep. All I want to
do is sleep.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Send your well wishes an energy, but please don't.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Expect a response.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I called my doctor and was told to stay in
bed and stay hydrated and self medicate and call back
or go to the er. If my tempreach is one
oh two. I think Oklahoma's medical system is stretched thin
right now. Everyone stay safe, healthy, and please practice social distancing.
If you don't live with someone, don't visit them.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Nicole texted Tolena a few times checking up on her,
but didn't hear back. A week went by, and then
on April seventh, came to Lena's cryptic post.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Hey everyone, I'm on day nine of this virus. I've
made arrangements to spend some quality alone time. After I
post this, I am turning off my phone.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Tolena would occasionally that once a year go on a
sbatical where she didn't talk to anybody, and she's pretty
strict about it. She would let everybody know, if I
don't answer my phone, this is why, and I'm just
going to go off somewhere for a couple of days
and be with myself. It was just a spiritual time
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for her to get herself together and kind of reconnect
with herself. She's a big giving person, so I think
people that give to a lot of people need that
little bit of downtown.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Knew that her friend prized her solitude, but after a
few days without hearing from Telena, she had a feeling
that something wasn't right.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
At the time, I was laid off from work, so
I didn't have that much to preoccupy myself with.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I wasn't leaving the house because of COVID.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Every morning I would wake up and check Facebook and
check the phone and text her and call her, and
I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Nicole was in lockdown in Tennessee, hundreds of miles away
from Tellina's home in Wagner, Oklahoma. Feeling antsy, Nicole started
reaching out to Tellina's friends, some of them also in
far flung states, others in the same town as Telena.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I kept just kind of asking everybody anyone else thinks
this is strange?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And everybody's like, no, no, this is you know, this
is Toulna. This is how she acts.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know that experiment where they show people that are
in a room and there's smoke coming out of the grate.
Nobody does anything because they're all kind of looking around
to see if someone else is going to do something
that was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Where we were.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
People were just worrying in their own space. We're all
just waiting for someone else to do something, or for
a word from you know, Telena. But the more time
that went on, it just didn't Her story didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Nicole wasn't sure what to do, but she felt compelled
to at least do something, and so one night, out
of desperation, I just, you know, I listened to this
little podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I had no idea how popular it was.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I just knew that I liked listening to it, and
so I thought I would go on there and see
if anybody else thought it was strange. So I typed
out a little message and posted it, went to sleep,
and I woke up two thousands of replies. Some of
them were from my friends, people actually knew that I
didn't know also listened to this podcast. And then some
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of them were from strangers, and none of them were
more strange than Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It sounded fishy. You've read the post right, It sounded
really weird.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Making her whipped coffee in Minnesota just sees Nichole's plea
for help and her immediate response is bullshit.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
The way Nicole explained in the post was very weird.
And then obviously I'm bored. It's COVID and I can't
go anywhere or do anything. So I creep on Nichole's
Facebook and see that she has another friend who's missing
as well, and I was like, there's no way you
know two people who just up and disappeared. So I
called her out on it. I called her a liar.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Nicole had turned to the Internet for help looking for
her missing friend, and now she was being accused of
lying or worse, being involved in Telena's disappearance herself.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I had a friend that her niece had also shown
up missing in Georgia, and I didn't really know the niece,
but if someone you know is missing someone they love,
you share it. So I had shared that, and I
guess Jess had gone back and looked at my history
and she kind of thought that maybe I was the
one responsible and had no qualm in telling me. So
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she said that she was going to be my worst nightmare.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I messaged Nicole on Facebook and I said, hey, you
sound like you're lying, Like how many missing people can
you know?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Nicole is taken aback by Jess's aggressive messages, but instead
of just ignoring this internet stranger she engages. She offers
to connect Jess on a call with some of Talina's
friends in Oklahoma who can verify nicole story, and Jess
she backs down pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
She called me back and she said I wanted to apologize.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And you know, I appreciate that so much about her
that she was just so ready to apologize.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Nicole accepts her apology, and almost immediately their hostile encounter
transforms into the start of a real friendship.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Nicole will post on my Facebook, so happy you became
my beautiful nightmare.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Nicole sees a tenacity in Jess that could be helpful
in finding to Lena, and the two of them start
working together that day.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I have to say, Jess is a force being reckoned with.
She's a woman of unwavering determination, and that insensity can
catch you off guard. She was unwilling to let anyone
or anything get in her way. It made us a
very good pair because she could be very direct and
very not cold, but just determined, and I have a
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more gentle kind approach to people.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
She made me feel like I could help and we
could figure it out, and we could solve what happened.
You know, we can maybe or at least catch the
person today.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Jess is not the only Internet stranger activated by Nicole's
post about her missing friend. It gets hundreds of comments
from people all over the US. Most of them are
just there to stir the pot, instigate fights, entertain themselves,
but some of them seem to actually want to find
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out the truth. Jess Corral's a select few into a
private group. There's Rosie, who, like Jess, is also a
mom in her mid thirties. She and her husband own
a welding business in Ohio.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I commented on the post, this doesn't sound good. You
know you need to contact the police. I had a
woman reach out to me named Jess via Facebook Messenger
and in the nutshell she was basically like, Hey, this.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Sounds really weird to me.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
You and I kind of sound like we have the
same vibe about her needing to contact the police.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Do you want to talk about this?
Speaker 8 (27:15):
I don't know what it was that made me say yes,
other than I was intrigued and I thought, well, what
could the harm be? I was bored because of COVID
and I was like sure, And then born girls kind
of joined the group. And we just sort of started
armchair detectiving this situation, and I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This is Brittany younger than the others. She's in her
early twenties and works at a bank in Arkansas. Brittany's
eager to jump in and help because she too feels
drawn to Teleina's story.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
It seemed like she was like a really sweet person
and she was really easy to like. It didn't seem
like anyone had any hatred towards her. She seemed like
a nice person that everyone loved. When there's mysteries to stuff,
there's some people that just have to know why and how.
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And I'm definitely one of those people. I have all
the questions all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And so organically, cosmically, this group of online sleuths comes
together and forms a new Facebook page called find Telenazar
Nicole and Tennessee, Jess in Minnesota, Rosie and Ohio, Brittany
in Arkansas, and more joining by the hour. These women
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are strangers thrust together by their desire to solve the
mystery of what happened to Telena. Here's Jess, the ringleader.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
We ended up staying up until like four o'clock in
the morning that first night, talking to each other via
Facebook Messenger and then starting little side messages all this
person's this or It was almost high school asque to
be honest with you, just kind of like being a
little bit bitchy about who who was saying and what
we believe.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The online sleuths, even from that first night, are exhilarated.
They're energized for the first time since the pandemic slowed
the world down and made their lives very small. Suddenly
they have a distraction and a purpose.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
It kind of felt like I was living out one
of my fantasy dreams of being a detective. It kind
of gave me something to do and something else to
think about rather than what's going to happen to the world.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
We just wanted to help this person, help Telena and
find her, like where was she?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
In those early hours. As this new group of friends
start to gell, the online sleuths returned to Tolena's post.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I made the decision at the onset that if it
got bad enough I would not go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So it just felt a little off. It felt weird.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The post itself is odd.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But the comments left by Tolina's friends it.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Was just really strange.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
And her friend's reactions to it also felt like they
were concerned, but people were afraid to kind of pull
the trigger and you know, get something going about trying
to find out where their friend was.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Jess is judging these people. To her, they are at
best bad friends, at worst potential suspects.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Like friends of hers all kind of saying well, we
wish you well and we love you and we respect
your privacy. And I'm like, what in the hell, what
do you mean. This woman's basically saying she's going to
go kill herself in the woods, and you guys are like, okay,
see you later, have fun. If that was my friend,
I would be flipping over rocks trying to find her.
I'd call the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I would be out there.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I would not be sitting there wishing her well on
her journey.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And so Jess, Rosie, Brittany, and Nicole they get busy
from Afar.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
There were a lot of secrets that were very hard
to find, and no one wanted to talk about anything.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Day and night. They research online and talk to anyone
who will pick up the phone.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I probably spent twelve fourteen hours on my phone or
computer a day talking to people, cold calling strangers.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They trust no one.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They're not telling us the truth, like there's they're lying.
There's no truth to what these people are saying. Don't
believe them.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And what they uncover shocks them to their core.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Rarely do people just drop off the face of the
earth and disappear.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This season on What Happened to Tealinazar?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
How in the world can somebody even contemplate doing something?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
How evil one person really be?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
She's always willing to help somebody, and that was her
downfall as well as one of her greatest straints.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
When I read the details I collapse.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
I would agree that I have never had a case
involving these kinds of details.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And I was like, well, literally not very polite of me.
What the how are you people into? What is going
on here?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
This little group of women that came together to look
for Telena will always have my heart.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I just had to know how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What Happened to Teleinazar is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
It's written, reported, and hosted by me Melissa Jelson, with
writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer
is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason
English and Carl Catel. Fact checking by Savannah Hugley. Zoe
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music by Aaron Kaufman with additional music by Jeremy Thal.
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Today the early days of the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're scary, the.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Mayor today, calling the spread unpredictable and worrisome. This morning
a grim new prediction. Nearly three hundred thousand deaths in
the US before the New year.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
People come in, I get in, debated, they die.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The cycle repeats, but also but at some distance. The
things we did to cope with our fear were pretty weird.
Remember disinfecting our groceries, poording toilet paper, burning our mattresses.
I didn't do that, but I heard about a woman
who did because she thought it was contaminated with COVID.
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I remember holding my breath when I walked past another
person on a secluded lake in the middle of winter
with masks on. I'd left New York for rural Pennsylvania
with my boyfriend to ride out the worst of COVID.
We packed for a weekend and stayed for two months.
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I ended up marrying the man to we have a baby. Now,
looking back, what sticks with me the most about that
time is that queasy feeling that everyone I encountered, the
Amazon driver, the checkout lady at the grocery store. It
was a potential suspect, someone who could unwittingly kill me
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and my family just by breathing. COVID. Isolation severed even
the strongest connections, made it easy to hide behind a
mask or behind closed doors, and this changed our collective
psyche made us do things we probably wouldn't have otherwise,
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things we were forced into, or things would always wanted
to do and never had the opportunity. It certainly changed
the trajectory of Jess Travigno's life.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I was scared, you know, like most of the world.
I didn't know what was going to happen, or how
deadly the virus was, or we didn't know very much.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right one day in April twenty twenty, Jess is in
her kitchen, newly unemployed, because you know, COVID and she's
trying to take her mind off the chaos of the pandemic.
She's attempting to replicate the latest food trend she sees online,
a two layered drink called Dalgona coffee.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I was making that whipped coffee that you had seen
go viral during COVID. I'm obsessed with coffee. Obsessed. It's
a terrible obsession. I drink probably two pots a day
plus espresso.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But I was making this coffee and I'm scrolling on
Facebook and I see this post, and I was like,
this sounds insane.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The post is by a woman in Oklahoma who contracted
coronavirus and announced she would not be seeking medical care.
Something about her post stops Jess cold. Here's a recreation
of parts of the post.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Hey everyone, I'm on day nine of this virus, and
I am pretty sure it has reached my lungs. Feeling
a little raspy and tight. I made the decision at
the onset that if it got bad enough, I would
not go to the hospital. Those of you who know
me well know I have DNR orders in my health
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directive and I'm not gonna let anyone intobate me. So
I've made arrangements to spend some quality alone time at
one of my favorite idaways at one of my favorite lakes,
and I've booked it for the remainder of this week.
Didn't fill up to driving, so I hired a ride.
I'm almost there. Please respect my privacy and give me
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my alone time on the lake. I haven't been chatting
with some of you calling you back. I didn't want
to be talked out of this plan. After I post this,
I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
I'll catch up with everyone on the other side.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Jess reads closer. The woman's name is Teleina Tzar. She
is fifty three years old. It seems that no one
has heard from Telena since her post a few weeks ago.
Jess squints at Telena's profile picture, a smiling selfie taken
in the car, her blue green eyes twinkling, and tries
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to understand why a person would make such a decision.
Why would someone with COVID leave their friends and family
and go off alone instead of seeking help? And where
did she go? Jess, We'll spend the next four years
searching for the answer.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Sometimes when I tell this story, they're like you're making
this up, but nobody has an imagination like this. You
couldn't make this story up. There's one hundred little twists
and turns that every time you go down a different road,
it's another what the fuck is this? Why is this happening?
I mean, initially, when I told you, did you believe me?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jelson and this is what
happened to Telena's OAR episode one Alone Time.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
My name is Jess Travino. I'm a really nosy person,
so that's how I got caught up in all this.
My mom said, I've always been knowsy my whole life.
She said, You've always just wanted to know everything about everything.
So if I didn't know something, I'd be poking around
trying to figure it out. It's not a very endearing
thing about me, but it is who I am. It
took me like forty years to like me, so I'm
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just gonna embrace it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Jess's life can be divided into two parts, before she
read Telena's Facebook post and after.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
My whole life has been consumed by this. Since twenty twenty,
I've spent four years of my life on her.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Jess emailed me in twenty twenty three asking me to
look into the disappearance of her friend Talna'zar. She'd come
across the earlier seasons of this podcast, What Happened to
Sandy Beal, What Happened to Libby Caswell.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I remember that I couldn't stop listening. I'd listened to
it when I was going to buy it, and then
when I got out in the morning, and I'd listened
to it throughout the day, and you were so honest
about everything in it, like you've seen both sides, right.
So I was like, I'm going to reach out to her,
like maybe she'll tell a story and she can get
both sides, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Jess and I emailed back and forth a little bit
and had a few phone calls. I learned she was
using a loose definition of the word friend when she
first reached out to me. She hadn't met Telena, But
from what I was able to understand about Telena and
Jess's multi year investigation into her life, I was convinced
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I needed to learn more, and so I flew to
Minnesota to meet with Jess in person. Jess lives in
an old farmhouse surrounded by cornfields, about a fifty minute
drive from Minneapolis. Hey, we are just about three minutes away,
passing some more cornfields. No grocery store, no gas stations,
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nothing absolue.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think it's maybe this house.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We were a greening party. Yes, I wanted to be
out here when you guys can't make because this is
kind of like Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Going to the right place. That was perfect time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Melissa's nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So okay, heads up, the two dogs are out are
going to bark at you.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He just doesn't grow vegetables or raise farm animals, but
her walls are dotted with signs like farm, sweet Farm
and farmhouse Ish. Jess does have a lot of pets,
three dogs, two cats, and a lot of kids and
about a dozen wall clocks that chime at different times
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of the day. And well, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm forty one.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I am an events planner hospitality director for Minnesota Horse
and Hunt.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Jess was born and raised in Minnesota and has spent
most of her life working in bars and restaurants. She
had her first child when she was seventeen.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I was a dumb teenager. I did a lot of
stuff that I mean, nothing criminal, but just stupid. The
minute I found out I was pregnant, I decided I
cannot screw this up.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And went on to have three more.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Over here, we've got some family photos.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
We do so the tall one, this is Riley. He's
my Sunnay's twenty three, says Ty. He's twenty one, Maddie seventeen,
in Jocelyn fourteen. That's my husband and myself.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Jess had wanted to be a writer, she told me,
but becoming a young mom meant she wasn't able to
finish high school. Eventually, she got her ged and took
some college level writing classes before ultimately getting a more
practical degree in business. Since then, Jess has worked in
various capacities in the hospitality industry, from bartending to large
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event planning. She likes the work, but it's not her calling.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I feel like the only thing I've ever done that's
been really, really good is raise my kids.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
While she's giving me a tour of her home, I
notice her bookshelf is cramped with true crime stories, old
and new.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
My husband makes fun of me. I am and it
sounds really bad, but let me explain. I'm obsessed with
serial killers, and I mean obsessed. I don't know what
my problem is. It all comes from wanting to know
how their brain works, not like obsessed with Oh I
love murder, but I love trying to figure out why
and who and what was going through their brain? What
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makes you want to kill somebody?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Jess tells me her fascination with crime star when she
was still a kid. She remembers following the Menendaz Brother's
case on TV and watching oj Simpson's Bronco racing down
the Expressway in real time. But the first true crime
story that completely enthralled her was that of Eileen Warnos,
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who killed at least seven men between nineteen eighty nine
and nineteen ninety and has been dubbed America's first female
serial killer.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Eileen Mornos was a huge one for me. I thought
she was fascinating. I felt like she was very much
a victim and tried to understand where she was coming from.
You know, she was a prostitute and she had a
really hard life growing up, really hard life. She was
molested and raped, you know, from the time she was
a child. So that I got super interested, and then
I started looking at the Green River Killer and a
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Zodiac Killer, and just deep dived into all the serial killers.
I find them fascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Jess became an avid reader of crime novels. She devoured
In Cold Blood by Truman Capoti, To Kill a Mockingbird
by Harperley, worked her way through the back catalog of
true crime Icon and Rule. The stories she liked the
best dealt with big, complicated questions of justice, punishment and fairness,
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what's right and what's wrong? And where those lines become blurry.
As a reporter who's dedicated my life to these topics,
I can relate. Later, around twenty seventeen, after crime podcasts
exploded onto the scene, Jess got into those too.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I listened to a ton of podcasts. I started with
Crime Junkies and then I went to Morbid. I'd listened
to Dateline if I'd missed an episode on TV, I
found you recently.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Obviously, for Jess, part of the thrill of all this
was discussing the cases with others on social media.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I just would join the pages after I'd listened to
a podcast, wanting to know, like let's discuss this, and like, hey, what'.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Do you think of this?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So you were an active participant, not just a lurker.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there.
I'm an action kind of girl.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
All those hours reading about true crime, listening to true crime,
discussing true crime provided Jess with a masterclass on how
not to get murdered. She knows, never go to a
second location, Always trust your instincts. You're much more likely
to be killed by someone you know than a stranger.
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If you can run, run. It also taught her some
real world skills on how to investigate cases, the same
type of skills I use in my reporting in between
bartending shifts and putting the kids to bed. Just learned
how to do a background check, how to trace people's
Internet footprints, how to track down old criminal records, and
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dig up archival news coverage.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I just love to know how point A got to
point F, trying to follow all the dots in between another.
People get a lot of shit online about being you know,
Internet tough guys and Internet armchair detectives. But we're in
a digital age. Maybe thirty years ago you needed the
boots on the ground and be there. But this is
the way that it's happening now. I feel like a
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lot of stuff is solved literally on the Internet.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's on the internet on a Facebook fan page for
crime Junkies, where Jess first sees Telenazar's post about having
COVID and choosing to go off into the wilderness alone
rather than go to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time
on the lake.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
A friend of Telena's named Nicole had uploaded screenshots of
Telena's post to the group in an attempt to solicit help.
I asked Jess to read some of Nichole's plea.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Hi Junkies. Since April seventh, my dear friend has been missing.
She left this post and we haven't heard from her.
Since the information we have doesn't make sense. I've spent
every day and night going over them. Out of desperation,
I thought I would post here and see what you
all think. My friend lives in a very small town
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near Tulsa, Oklahoma. The police would not investigate this because
of the post. She would not make people worry for
this long. She just wouldn't. And if she died from
this virus, where is her body? Am I being paranoid?
What can I do to locate her. I can't sleep,
but I can't really grieve or have any hope after
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this time. Anyone, anyone have any ideas on what to do?
Thanks in advance.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I just didn't feel like she would leave that many
people worried about her.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
This is Nicole Carr. She's the author of the post
asking for help finding to Lena.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It wouldn't be a strange for her to go off,
because if she was sick, she wouldn't have wanted to
make anyone else sick. But for her to just leave
people with no way of contacting her and knowing if
she was alive or dead was strange to me.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Nicole knew Telena's habits because she was one of her
best friends that had been close since they met in
twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It was love at first to get together.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
She was the kind of friend that you could call
at three am, knowing that she would answer with equal
part concern and humor to.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Cheer you up.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Her kitchen was her happy place, and she always had
the aroma of something simmering or cooking or frying, and
if not, she was planning something to.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Simmeror cooker, cook her fry.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Sharing a meal with her was really like being wrapped
up in love. She lived with her heart wide open,
and you couldn't help but just feel lucky that she
was in your life. Nicole and Tealina's friendship had always
it has been long distance that had never lived in
the same state at the same time, but they found
ways to connect both online and in person.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We did text a.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Lot and talked on the phone, and then also through
Facebook a lot, sharing memes, trying to.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Make each other laugh.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
In February twenty twenty, Talina went to Tennessee to visit
Nicole at her home.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
She came and spent three days with me.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We of course cooked and played video games and watched
TV and talked and cried and laughed, and we really
had a great visit. And it was right before they
asked everybody you know to go home and stay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Telena left and immediately the friends started planning their next visit.
This time Talina would host Nicole at her house in Wagner, Oklahoma,
but COVID got too big too quickly.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
She wanted me to come visit her, and I really
wasn't comfortable in traveling at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
All in my family we have stuff wrong with us.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
You know they were really concerned about people like us
having COVID, So I declined the offer, And you know, I'll.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Never know what would have happened if I had gone.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
As the COVID pandemic took over everybody's lives, the friends
continued to communicate as they normally did, texting, keeping up
with each other's social media, and it was on Facebook
where Nicole saw that her friend wasn't feeling well. First
it was a post on Sunday, March twenty ninth about
a migraine, Day two of.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
A bad migraine, taking more meds and turning down my
phone volume so I can sleep.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I'll catch up with everyone later.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Migraines were a fairly regular occurrence for Teleina, so Nicole
didn't think much of it, But a day later, on Monday,
March thirtieth, she saw a post about Teleina's headache worsening
my weekend.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Migrain developed into a fever last night and it is
currently hovering around one hundred point five. I'm surfacing long
enough to go to the bathroom and get a drink.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Then it is back to sleep. All I want to
do is sleep.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
Send your well wishes an energy, but please don't.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Expect a response.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I called my doctor and was told to stay in
bed and stay hydrated and self medicate and call back
or go to the er. If my tempreach is one
oh two. I think Oklahoma's medical system is stretched thin
right now. Everyone stay safe, healthy, and please practice social distancing.
If you don't live with someone, don't visit them.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Nicole texted Tolena a few times checking up on her,
but didn't hear back. A week went by, and then
on April seventh, came to Lena's cryptic post.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Hey everyone, I'm on day nine of this virus. I've
made arrangements to spend some quality alone time. After I
post this, I am turning off my phone.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Tolena would occasionally that once a year go on a
sbatical where she didn't talk to anybody, and she's pretty
strict about it. She would let everybody know, if I
don't answer my phone, this is why, and I'm just
going to go off somewhere for a couple of days
and be with myself. It was just a spiritual time
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for her to get herself together and kind of reconnect
with herself. She's a big giving person, so I think
people that give to a lot of people need that
little bit of downtown.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Knew that her friend prized her solitude, but after a
few days without hearing from Telena, she had a feeling
that something wasn't right.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
At the time, I was laid off from work, so
I didn't have that much to preoccupy myself with.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I wasn't leaving the house because of COVID.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Every morning I would wake up and check Facebook and
check the phone and text her and call her, and
I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Nicole was in lockdown in Tennessee, hundreds of miles away
from Tellina's home in Wagner, Oklahoma. Feeling antsy, Nicole started
reaching out to Tellina's friends, some of them also in
far flung states, others in the same town as Telena.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I kept just kind of asking everybody anyone else thinks
this is strange?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And everybody's like, no, no, this is you know, this
is Toulna. This is how she acts.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know that experiment where they show people that are
in a room and there's smoke coming out of the grate.
Nobody does anything because they're all kind of looking around
to see if someone else is going to do something
that was.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Where we were.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
People were just worrying in their own space. We're all
just waiting for someone else to do something, or for
a word from you know, Telena. But the more time
that went on, it just didn't Her story didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Nicole wasn't sure what to do, but she felt compelled
to at least do something, and so one night, out
of desperation, I just, you know, I listened to this
little podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I had no idea how popular it was.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I just knew that I liked listening to it, and
so I thought I would go on there and see
if anybody else thought it was strange. So I typed
out a little message and posted it, went to sleep,
and I woke up two thousands of replies. Some of
them were from my friends, people actually knew that I
didn't know also listened to this podcast. And then some
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of them were from strangers, and none of them were
more strange than Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It sounded fishy. You've read the post right, It sounded
really weird.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Making her whipped coffee in Minnesota just sees Nichole's plea
for help and her immediate response is bullshit.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
The way Nicole explained in the post was very weird.
And then obviously I'm bored. It's COVID and I can't
go anywhere or do anything. So I creep on Nichole's
Facebook and see that she has another friend who's missing
as well, and I was like, there's no way you
know two people who just up and disappeared. So I
called her out on it. I called her a liar.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Nicole had turned to the Internet for help looking for
her missing friend, and now she was being accused of
lying or worse, being involved in Telena's disappearance herself.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I had a friend that her niece had also shown
up missing in Georgia, and I didn't really know the niece,
but if someone you know is missing someone they love,
you share it. So I had shared that, and I
guess Jess had gone back and looked at my history
and she kind of thought that maybe I was the
one responsible and had no qualm in telling me. So
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she said that she was going to be my worst nightmare.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I messaged Nicole on Facebook and I said, hey, you
sound like you're lying, Like how many missing people can
you know?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Nicole is taken aback by Jess's aggressive messages, but instead
of just ignoring this internet stranger she engages. She offers
to connect Jess on a call with some of Talina's
friends in Oklahoma who can verify nicole story, and Jess
she backs down pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
She called me back and she said I wanted to apologize.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
And you know, I appreciate that so much about her
that she was just so ready to apologize.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Nicole accepts her apology, and almost immediately their hostile encounter
transforms into the start of a real friendship.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Nicole will post on my Facebook, so happy you became
my beautiful nightmare.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I love you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Nicole sees a tenacity in Jess that could be helpful
in finding to Lena, and the two of them start
working together that day.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I have to say, Jess is a force being reckoned with.
She's a woman of unwavering determination, and that insensity can
catch you off guard. She was unwilling to let anyone
or anything get in her way. It made us a
very good pair because she could be very direct and
very not cold, but just determined, and I have a
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more gentle kind approach to people.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
She made me feel like I could help and we
could figure it out, and we could solve what happened.
You know, we can maybe or at least catch the
person today.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Jess is not the only Internet stranger activated by Nicole's
post about her missing friend. It gets hundreds of comments
from people all over the US. Most of them are
just there to stir the pot, instigate fights, entertain themselves,
but some of them seem to actually want to find
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out the truth. Jess Corral's a select few into a
private group. There's Rosie, who, like Jess, is also a
mom in her mid thirties. She and her husband own
a welding business in Ohio.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
I commented on the post, this doesn't sound good. You
know you need to contact the police. I had a
woman reach out to me named Jess via Facebook Messenger
and in the nutshell she was basically like, Hey, this.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Sounds really weird to me.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
You and I kind of sound like we have the
same vibe about her needing to contact the police.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Do you want to talk about this?
Speaker 8 (27:15):
I don't know what it was that made me say yes,
other than I was intrigued and I thought, well, what
could the harm be? I was bored because of COVID
and I was like sure, And then born girls kind
of joined the group. And we just sort of started
armchair detectiving this situation, and I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This is Brittany younger than the others. She's in her
early twenties and works at a bank in Arkansas. Brittany's
eager to jump in and help because she too feels
drawn to Teleina's story.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
It seemed like she was like a really sweet person
and she was really easy to like. It didn't seem
like anyone had any hatred towards her. She seemed like
a nice person that everyone loved. When there's mysteries to stuff,
there's some people that just have to know why and how.
(28:14):
And I'm definitely one of those people. I have all
the questions all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And so organically, cosmically, this group of online sleuths comes
together and forms a new Facebook page called find Telenazar
Nicole and Tennessee, Jess in Minnesota, Rosie and Ohio, Brittany
in Arkansas, and more joining by the hour. These women
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are strangers thrust together by their desire to solve the
mystery of what happened to Telena. Here's Jess, the ringleader.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
We ended up staying up until like four o'clock in
the morning that first night, talking to each other via
Facebook Messenger and then starting little side messages all this
person's this or It was almost high school asque to
be honest with you, just kind of like being a
little bit bitchy about who who was saying and what
we believe.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The online sleuths, even from that first night, are exhilarated.
They're energized for the first time since the pandemic slowed
the world down and made their lives very small. Suddenly
they have a distraction and a purpose.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
It kind of felt like I was living out one
of my fantasy dreams of being a detective. It kind
of gave me something to do and something else to
think about rather than what's going to happen to the world.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
We just wanted to help this person, help Telena and
find her, like where was she?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
In those early hours. As this new group of friends
start to gell, the online sleuths returned to Tolena's post.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
I made the decision at the onset that if it
got bad enough I would not go to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So it just felt a little off. It felt weird.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The post itself is odd.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But the comments left by Tolina's friends it.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Was just really strange.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
And her friend's reactions to it also felt like they
were concerned, but people were afraid to kind of pull
the trigger and you know, get something going about trying
to find out where their friend was.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Jess is judging these people. To her, they are at
best bad friends, at worst potential suspects.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Like friends of hers all kind of saying well, we
wish you well and we love you and we respect
your privacy. And I'm like, what in the hell, what
do you mean. This woman's basically saying she's going to
go kill herself in the woods, and you guys are like, okay,
see you later, have fun. If that was my friend,
I would be flipping over rocks trying to find her.
I'd call the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I would be out there.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I would not be sitting there wishing her well on
her journey.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And so Jess, Rosie, Brittany, and Nicole they get busy
from Afar.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
There were a lot of secrets that were very hard
to find, and no one wanted to talk about anything.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Day and night. They research online and talk to anyone
who will pick up the phone.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I probably spent twelve fourteen hours on my phone or
computer a day talking to people, cold calling strangers.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They trust no one.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They're not telling us the truth, like there's they're lying.
There's no truth to what these people are saying. Don't
believe them.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And what they uncover shocks them to their core.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Rarely do people just drop off the face of the
earth and disappear.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This season on What Happened to Tealinazar?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
How in the world can somebody even contemplate doing something?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
How evil one person really be?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
She's always willing to help somebody, and that was her
downfall as well as one of her greatest straints.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
When I read the details I collapse.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
I would agree that I have never had a case
involving these kinds of details.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And I was like, well, literally not very polite of me.
What the how are you people into? What is going
on here?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
This little group of women that came together to look
for Telena will always have my heart.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I just had to know how did this happen?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
What Happened to Teleinazar is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
It's written, reported, and hosted by me Melissa Jelson, with
writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer
is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason
English and Carl Catel. Fact checking by Savannah Hugley. Zoe
(32:59):
Denkla is ourssociate producer. Jeremy Thal is our editor. Original
music by Aaron Kaufman with additional music by Jeremy Thal.
Episodes are mixed and mastered by Carl Katle. Voice acting
by Lizzie Gore, Chris Ferry, Stephanie Frame, Pete Monica, and
Molly Maslin. Our logo is designed by Edo Moore. Thanks
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so much for listening, Ready to hear more, Remember you
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