March 19, 2025 • 59 mins
Zoe has her dad, and her dad has his goddaughter! (Plus, his best friend). Ron & Bryce Howard join Zoe and Henry to take a walk down memory lane. Tune in to hear all about their tight knit, family-like bond.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
welcome back to another episode. Don't look at me when
I'm doing it. What in the Winkler. I am so
excited because today we have two well three actually, because
you're a guest too. We have three incredible guests who
are very, very very close to my heart. We have
my dad, Henry Winkler. We have Ron Howard and Bryce Howard.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm so excited and I'm so grateful, So thank you
guys for doing this.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Not corny, but I don't think I would have imagined
when I, like the moment you were born, that I would,
you know, one day be sitting on the couch and
you'd be hosting a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I didn't either, but that brings up my first prop.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So when Ron and I did Happy Days, there was
a kind of a shelf outside of our yes and
we put our coffee cups or a water bottles on
it as we went through the swinging doors before we
made our entries. At the end of Happy Days, I
took that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Shelf that is so smart.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And realized I wrote on it for almost the entire series.
Then I had people sign it like Ron, Gary Marshall,
and Marion. But let's see, this is very important because
(01:33):
Ron said I had a daughter today right there on
Oh my god. The I wrote it August thirty first,
in nineteen seventy nine. Ron found out he was going
to be a father. I found out I was going
(01:57):
to be a father on eight fifteen, seventy nine, and
here are our two daughters, and I wrote down the
start of each season beginning what happened. So there it is,
there's my board.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, incredible, because you guys basically grew up together.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Kind of we did.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It was the it was it was certainly my coming
of age story. It was you know, it was it
was all around that show. And uh, you know, and
we're still close. We still we still check in, we
still keep track of one another. But we learned so
much because you know, we went from well I learned
a lot from you, well vice versa.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean it, No, Yeah, Dad always talks about how
much he learned from you. Henry do you run?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But you have to have the microphone closer to oh okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I was gonna say the same exacting.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Thing, but uh, Tom Bosley was like giving us all
this guidance. He would get around and say, now do
you have what? What kind of insurance?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No idea what he was talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We learned, you know, and oh, you're gonna buy You
need to buy something, you need to own something. Right
and slowly, but surely we all started to actually buy things.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We did. Then we bought a house.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And then you had animals? Yes, yes, you had a monkey.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
We did, Sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you have ducks?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, we didn't have ducks.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, no ducks.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Later we had some goats.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Wait, what was your monkey's name, Sugar?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Sugar? Yeah, sure, a wooly monkey, which we wouldn't have.
I mean it wouldn't be legal.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Which is never should have happened, never ever should have happened.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, Wi brings us to our next subject, which is Pets,
which is Bryce's documentary that is coming out on April eleventh.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Called Pets.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Can I just be a dad and say it is great?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Tell us about it, Bryce, it's good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's so good.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
You tell us that my my phone is ringing, so
I'm just going to quickly shut that off or disconnected somehow.
Someone there is another adult in the household, who can
handle it all on my husband? Okay, so I will,
I will Henry.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh wait before we talk about Pats. Well, so my
father is Brace's godfather and he and he was there
for like the beginning of when you and Seth the
Gens story.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, let's start
there because it's just so yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
So, like Henry's always been in Stacy have always been
the most incredible godparents, very supportive, everything kind of everything
wonderful that my parents are and everything wonderful that my
parents aren't.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Like there's like.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Handy everywhere in the house house, and like Zoe, you
were allowed to like experience nice things like getting nice
haircuts and like you know, like you always had like
your you were always so cool and and everyone had
such great style all the time. And my family suffered
(05:20):
a little bit in that department.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I was way, way, way, way way faster than Bryce.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But I definitely, I definitely was had a little bit
of arrested development.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You could say from.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, I don't know which one's better, because I was
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, but I will say well that Bryce, what whatever
she thought she lacked was powerful because I took her
to lunch in a two thousand. Yeah, and you were
at school with Seth. Yeah, And you said, and I
know this guy, and I don't know how to get
(06:03):
him to pay attention to me. How do I get
him to pay attention to me? I said, Bryce, all
you have to do is breathe You're beautiful, you're talented,
you're strong. No, no, no, I need he's dating somebody else.
I need him to look in this direction.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's it's honestly true, Henry.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I I I saw Seth and I and I broke
into hives. And I was and I was with with
one of my best friends at the time who later
married Seth and I and were the purple suit.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I don't know if you remember for the wedding.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I was with that friend and and he looked at
me and he was like, WHOA, what just happened to you?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Because he saw me like just like burst into just
like red.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Hives and all the friend the friend, my friend saw
me burst into hives.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And we both have read so with red hives, red hair,
it's a lot of red.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's a nightmare. And I and I pointed at Seth
and I was like, look at that boy. Look at
that boy.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
And I went home and I wrote in my journal,
I met the man I'm gonna marry.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The thing was, I didn't really properly meet him. I
had to stalk him.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And I told all of his friends how much I
had a crush on him. And he was very alarmed
by it, like genuine like genuinely alarmed. And I never
would do anything social. And I heard that he was
at a party. He was going to go to a
party in Brooklyn and and and it was like it
(07:41):
was an ironic party. It was the early aughts. It
was a two friends of ours who were both queer,
who got married in Atlantic City and they were having
a nullment party, and so they were they were having this.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Party, and so I was like, I was like, Seth
is there.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
I've got to go to this party and like get him,
Like what does one where to like an annulment Brooklyn party?
And and so I wore my prom dress, which was
too much. It was it was too much, and he
and he was there, and he like and I like
went up to him and I was like, hi, I'm raised,
(08:19):
and I like introduced myself and.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He was like, oh cool, because he knew I was,
you know, and he like went home with someone else
that night.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
This is when Henry was saying, but that didn't work
out and I had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
That fizzled out on its own.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
But but what ended up No, no, it didn't need to,
but I would have and and what what ended up
happening was for yeah, months and months truly, I was
pining for him, and I went and saw him at
uh at a show he was doing. He did a
(08:55):
production of Light Sensitive, and he was just so amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I just couldn't get him out of my head.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And I went home that night and I was like, Okay,
I'm not going to be able to sleep, and so
I went to a midnight showing by myself of Hannibal
to try to get him out of my head. Came
back from Hannibal it was two am. Called my friend
who I knew had his information. Was like, Mary, you
have to give me sets info. And she was like, Okay,
I know you don't drink Bryce, so I know that
(09:22):
you're not like good going to be like drunk dialing him,
but this is like very close to that, and I
need you to promise me that you're not going to
call him until the morning, and I was like, absolutely,
and I called him immediately and.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I left a message and I was.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Like, how you on the Redhead. You know, I'm Bryce
and we have a lot of friends in common. We
should go out sometime. The message, as you can imagine,
freaked him out even more. But unbeknownst to me at the.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Time, his roommate with someone that I was friends with,
Dane Sharbonneau, and Dane listened to the message and was like, no,
Bryce is cool, you should go out with her, Like
it's fine. Dane later became writing partners and I set
him up with my sister and they now have three
kids and they're married. So I got him back, which
(10:07):
was incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But yeah, I went.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I went out with Seth and we had our first
our first date, and at the time he was he
was actually shooting something with this like whole group of
like really cool n y U kids who I now
like have like since worked with Jake Shier, John Watts
and Chris Ford who did like Skeleton Crew and and
(10:32):
and Beef and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
They like totally are all part of like Max's Crew,
and and we we had our like first kiss.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Seth was like on his way to go and and
shoot with the guys that day, and and uh, and
we we had our first kiss.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
But basically it was it was really elaborate and complicated,
and I made good on everything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Elaborate and complicate, the kiss.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The courtship, the court court one more ship.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So then, so she really didn't talk about guys a lot,
you know, and she was very quiet difference between us.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But no, I decided I wasn't going to date until
I was eighteen.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And so she started she started mentioning this guy and
and and you could just tell that, you know, that
she was really smitten, looked like she was in love
to chryl and and me. And then it was do
you want to come see him in a play? He's
the best actor at YU. Come see him in this
play and meet him afterwards. Sure, okay, we'll go. And
(11:41):
I'm just going over there thinking, all right, how I
know I've been directing for a while, but how good
of an actor can I be? If if he's craad,
you know, maybe he's just not there yet, you know,
And what will I how will I do it? So
I was kind of playing with line readings and things.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
He was awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It was great. I got to just immediately, you know,
he prays on him that he totally deserved and what
a great guy.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
He's the best, and he's such an amazing actor.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's an amazing actor. And my son directed him and
thought he was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that was so mutual because Seth, you know, yeah,
who's worked with a lot of different people, was just.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know, oh he just he said just Max was
was just tremendous, also incredibly stylish.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Every single day he was like it's an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
To be frank, Like, every day he was just like
I just I'm like, well Max Winkler showed up, so
we all better show up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know what's so funny is in the hospital when
my mom was in the hospital this last couple of months,
at every single time in the hospital, he was so
chic and I would take pictures and be like hospital
outfit number one, you know, because I didn't want anything
that I wanted anything I could just throw in the
wash after because I'm a germophobe. And every single day
(12:59):
he would just like look so good and I would
say like, are you going somewhere after He's like, I'm shooting, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He would just and he started he loved Wes Anderson,
and he dressed in a suit and tie and every
day when he started directing, Yes, yeah he did.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I mean it's it's to be honest, it's like that's
the that's sort of the least of it, you know,
Like Seth was saying that just his his awareness of
everyone in the crew and all of the actors and
just just creating an environment, really kind of curating an environment.
It's almost like a dinner party where just everyone is
(13:39):
being their best and he makes it really really just lovely,
like a lovely, lovely, lovely experience, and so his.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I would love to have had that experience. He only
hired me. I wore a cowboy hat, bermuta shorts and
ankle socks in the tub for a school shoot.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, you just did. You just did American horror Story.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, but he was he was the producer. I never
saw him. I never saw him.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
He was chic in another role.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We can hope, we can hope hers to hoping. You
get hired by Max Wingler. So you chose ron to
raise your family outside of Los Angeles. Yes, and you
chose to raise your family in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I was lazy. I didn't want to get it on
a plane every time I had an audition.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And I feel like it was the right decision for
both of you guys for different reasons. And I think
that that is probably why Bryce is so much more
normal than me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, the amazing thing is when when Ron and Cheryl
fun when you were moving across country. Ron and Cheryl
came to Stacy and I and said, oh, listen, would
you take the children if God forbid anything happens to us.
You can even bar mids for them if you want this.
But just and and we got to be Bryce's God.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You could have had about mid spot.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I know, I know it's so sad. We just we
We would have had to take out a contract on
my parents and that would have solved that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The h.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
At the end of the day. Yes, we moved, and
it was always our dream. Look, Cheryl and I met
in high school, and I'd always talked about trying to
live somewhere else. And at a certain point as I
as I Burbank right in high.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
School in Burbank, right, Yeah, but at a certain point
the business was feeling a little smothering, you know, and uh,
and we were hearing stories about kids in kindergarten come
in the playground saying my dad's hotter than your dad
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
By the way, that that happens, Yeah, I'm sure it does.
I means it made sense to us at the time,
and that just sort of instigated us to say, Remember
we used to always talk about trying to live somewhere else, Well,
where else would we live? And we went on a
search and over a period of about a year, we
decided to try it back there in Connecticut, and it
(16:22):
turned out we really loved it, and entailed a hell
of a lot of traveling for me, but we liked it.
It felt like a good fit. And yeah, we wanted
to raise our kids outside of that, you know, that
sort of hot bed.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, I personally didn't care what happened to Mike.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Here's my point. Here's my point. You did stay. Your
kids are great. I know a lot of kids raise
here great.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I know a lot of.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Difficult, challenging. I don't think it's where you live, No,
it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
House.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
People ask me all the time, you know, like you
seem kind of normal, like, how did it? How did
it work?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The first ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That it's really it's family based. I mean, being a
parent is a really hard job and it takes extra
work to make sure that your kids are good people,
and you just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Have one thing in common, which is a couple of
parents who really love each other, who you know and
want and want our kids to know we love them. Yeah,
first and foremost.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Max said to me he directed his first movie. Uh,
and he did press, and he asked me to press
with him. He used me like a garden tool, which
is what I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Doing right now.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Happy.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I literally said, my problem growing up was I was
loved too much. I said, I want to tell you Max,
if I had to do it again, I would do
it exactly the same way. But here it is fifty
years later, your family and my family complete set, and
(17:59):
our dining room table just a few feet to my left.
And it was like, for me, in my heart, a
historic moment that these two incredible families that kind of
grew up together were all of a sudden two together
(18:19):
at that dinner. Bryce said, Hey, do you mind if
I paint? And she said, you know, when when I'm
just sitting around and I'm finished my food and everything,
i'd like.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
To paint prop number two. Sweet Henry made this incredible piece.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Just it's upside down.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Never no, no, it is okay, and it looks so
different inside. But the thing is that she never missed
a beat in the conference. Now she just oh, yeah,
I'll make this complicated garden. Oh I love that. It
was I amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was such an incredible dinner because it's a great dinner. Yeah,
and and and my kids were there, and Bryce's kids
were there, and it was just you guys were just
talking and you guys were going over these memories that
you have during this time where it was such a
different time. There weren't that many shows on television, there
weren't that many famous people around. It was just a
(19:25):
very different time, and you guys were going over these
stories about just what your life was like. And it
was so amazing for Bryce and I to listen. I
wished that we had recorded it, because.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
No, I did a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You did record it, right, you did.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I did record a little bit of it. So it
was like, oh, I wish you're recording it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I was like, I got a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like, I just like the memories and the experiences that
you guys have and that you guys stayed close, and
that MoMA and Cheryl are close, and it's just such
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My wife edited your wife's first book.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, that's right, Cheryl trusted.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Her and my wife poured over every word and wrote
in the margins and then sent it back. We're so interconnected, Bryce,
because you grew up in this environment, even if it
was in Connecticut. Did you always know that you wanted
(20:23):
to be an actress? Was that in your DNA or
did it come to you? Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It was more.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I don't think I I identified acting as the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I just wanted to be on a set.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
That was That was the thing I was really I
was really interested in, and the and the person that
I was always the most impressed with and paid attention
to the most was the first d D. And whenever
I tell ad is that, they're like, you made a
good choice. It was a really hard job. It is
a really really really hard job. But but yeah, it
was for me. It was just kind of being around
(21:05):
it and luckily I had just no bad experiences, you know,
in a way, I mean going back to the kind
of you know, wherever you raise your family, it really
is about kind of the culture within your family and
you know the people around that, and and and I
(21:26):
while I do think it was good, it was easier.
I think it was easier to raise to raise kids
outside of Los Angeles while kind of being in the
entertainment business in the eighties and nineties, at that kind
of point in time, my association with Los Angeles was
like you guys, and my grandparents and so it was
just like family, family, family, family, family, because my grandparents
(21:50):
were actors as well, you know, my uncle, and so
it was just I've had this like very very I mean,
we we all know that were privileged, but the layer
of privilege, like with Max, the problem being that he
was loved too much.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's like that's a privilege. That's a privilege.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And and it was just so extraordinary for me getting
to have have another kind of I have another set
of parents, have another set of siblings that I so
related to, felt so safe with, and was in this
kind of like place that I was like, oh, Hollywood,
(22:31):
that's like, you know the place that my parents left
and come here.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
We'd rent a house here. Sometimes we're making a movie here.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I remember, wasn't there, like when in Santa Monica Canyon, Yeah,
I remember that I was thirteen.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But but you know, the one thing we want very
good with films. With Thirteen and Day Lives, I just
realized we knew the end to both stories, and yet
you're a made them so compelling.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You were on the edge of your seat even though
we knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well turned out. I've really enjoyed working with stories based
on real events where you do know the outcome. But
if you get really granular, if you take a humanistic view,
people get invested in the process, like what you know,
what's going to be entailed in getting there? And the
first of all, I think they kind of forget that
they know the ending because they lose themselves in and
want to take a book.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
When you see a movie based on a book, you
just forget.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Because you see what But but even if they do
know what the outcome is, they don't know what the
emotional cost might have been. They don't know what you know,
what was entailed and actually getting over that, over that
finish line. But you know, one of the things that
by the way. Bryce was a great PA on Apalla thirteen.
She was one of these kids like she They had
to actually give her a walkie talkie on Far and Away.
(23:52):
I think she was ten because she was just nagging
the assistant director so much and she' said and finally
they let her have a walkie talkie and so stand
over by the experts and pass a couple of messages.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And I was thinking Bill the other night for that,
who was a PA on that? As well? Who's now
your first ad?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But the one thing we wanted was we didn't want
the kids to feel compelled to have to be in
the business, right And I think that's what we felt
is that it was our world. This became an industry
town because all of our friends were in it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
People when everybody we know wants to do something.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That's right and talk to us about it, and which
was great and exciting, but I feared it would be
pretty overwhelming for the kids and they would feel it
kind of a pressure. Bryce pursued it because she loved
the process, and it became clear at a certain point
I didn't think she was necessarily going to be interested
in acting. I didn't see, you know, a performer's energy
(24:50):
around her. She was just a great kid. But I
used to say, well, you know what she's I don't
know that she's ambitious. She's really people love her. She's
gonna be great in retail. I'd like to see a scarf,
and she would, she would.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
She could find you exactly the one for you.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And and you know and and uh uh uh Bryce
and her sister Page have pursued it. Uh read and
Jocelyn not not not at all, no interest whatsoever. And
have you know, very fulfilling lives. I'm I'm curious about about.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
The wind, so curious.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well did you feel I mean, you know, Max threw
himself into did you feel like that was something you
were supposed to chase?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I didn't, And I never felt I knew that I
really wanted to be a teacher. That was like the
number one thing. When I was younger, I was obsessed
with Madonna and I just wanted to be famous, but
I didn't really want to pursue it. And then once
I started kind of finding my passion in teaching and
(25:59):
all that kind of stuff, I I loved it and
I loved I love being a mom. And then when
this opportunity came up. I was excited, but I was
also nervous because I never really put myself out there
ever like that.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And so but let me just say a little story.
I'm driving all of a sudden there's a car next
to me here in La. The man says, put your
window down. He said, are you Zoe Winkler's father? I
said yes. He said, my daughter gets up in the
morning to go to school because she is her teacher.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I know the craziest thing. So I went to
this pop up burger place last Thursday, no kidding, yeah,
I was, and this this girl comes up to me,
an adult and says Zoe. And I looked at her
and it was Rachel Grode, the father, her father, that
was the child that and everyone was Sarah Mayah was
(26:54):
there and she was like, how do you know her?
And I was like, I was her teacher. She's a
full adult. And she was like, you're an icon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
When when I when Henry told me you were, you
were you were, that's what you were pursuing. It made
so much sense. Cheryl and I I went to.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is it her?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So it was amazing to watch her with these children
teaching them. By all of a sudden, Zoe went. I
was sitting there and got into an argument with her
fellow teacher, her co teacher, and then and then they
resolved it. I got in an argut, Yes, and it
was a lesson.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You were we were acting okay, but I didn't know right,
we were right? Did you really think we were just pulling?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't know what I've done.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes, bought it.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
It's true though, It's true because.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I you actually like as a teacher, you are a legendary.
Because I I would hear because I became a really
young parent, like you know, who was surprise for everyone,
and and so I was I had THEO at twenty five,
and so you were.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Still so young. It was so insane. You were still
you were teaching then.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, And I would hear, like in mom groups and stuff,
I would hear about you, and I would be like,
oh my god, that's my godsister, and everybody love love
loved you.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
They're like, oh my god, she's the best teacher. She's
the best. Oh my god, I love her. I love her.
I love her like you know, and good things about
the school.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But it was.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Always really really centered on you. Truly truly you guys.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, total, total star.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But this show makes sense too because you've always been
a great conversationalist, great conversational spirit. True great. You know,
people want to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think it's interesting to hear about other people in
their lives and you know, get into conversations that you
never thought you'd even get into. Like with you guys,
it's so comfy. But for a stranger, it's you know,
to hear about what their experience is. It's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I think, well, what is good? We realize we're all
the same, that we look different, we do different things,
we are different religions, whatever it is. But underneath all
of that, you hear the story.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Go I can relate. Yeah, which is such a beautiful thing. Grace.
Do any of your kids want to go into acting?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I mean it's definitely like like THEO is definitely on
the filmmaker track in a big way.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And and and in summer camp, everybody wanted him to
act in their films.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well yeah, he was like like they did like a
silly a sort of like silly awards ceremony and one
of the things was like yeah in in it involved.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In the most movies of any kid.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And my brother, my brother Clint had My brother Clint
had dinner with him the other night and he texted
me and he says, I know, his film is great.
He's got a film that was just accepted at a
festival intulations and uh and you know, and that's that's terrific.
But with that, with his eyes and bone structure, I
don't know how they're going to keep him out in
front of the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, he's a very.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Handsome, but I didn't even know. I thought he was, like, uh,
he's a really amazing rock climber. Yes, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And that well, I mean that's the thing that's never.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
That's like the secret the sort of like secret thing
in our family because we're all such dorks. But both
my parents are super athletic, and both sets of grandparents
were really like you know, granddad, but both grandparents or
both grandfathers were athletes and kind of considered being professional athletes.
(30:39):
And my miss that I think, yeah, so that howards,
We all we all love that sort of stuff, like, yeah, no,
my brother's not so much.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I never played ball. I'm so dyslexic. I have no
eye hand coordination. And on the set. Ron Howard bought
me my first mint, my first baseball mint at twenty eight,
and I loved it. But all I could do was pitch.
And my catcher when we played on Sundays was Clint Toward.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And Clint came in and because Henry was it's very physical.
He can dance, he can move, he's great. Yeah, and
he said.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I can't play ball.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I can't play ball, and I knew it was it
was slow pitch softball, and I just felt like he
can pitch. He can.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Absolutely, You're such a good friend. Honestly, even the way
you're talking about it, You're just like such a good friend.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We should really know each other.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So I got him the glove. Clint came over and
around the seat and start, you know, and start of coaching.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And in between scenes, they taught me to pitch, and
Anson Williams, who played Pazzi, gave me my first bat.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
But I got to tell you. We then started playing
games that were in front of large crowds before major
league games, and we would travel around and because we
were a number one show, oh, big crowds would come
and and they would play this. We'd play the sixth
inning game against usually radio the Mets wives and wives
radio celebrities. Usually there were very easy games for us
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to win because we did want to win, and we
and for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The most part, very competitive.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And but one game in Philadelphia, they start, they put
they put not baseball players, but they put athletes against this,
hockey players in ex retired NBA players and stuff like that.
Vera and I said, oh, this is going to be tough.
And Clint said to me, Henry can get them out.
And we won that ball game two to one. You
(32:37):
did two to one, and Henry was was getting these
professionals to pop up because Clint would find the right
position and hint, Henry would.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Get the Clint talked me through it. We played against
all stars here in LA and one of the all
stars we played against was Magic Johnson. I remember that
are how hard name member of our team hit that ball.
All that man did was put his hand up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He played third base and at one point he grabbed
a ground ball at six', nine he played third. Base
he grabbed a hot grounder a third and it was
a double play situation and he literally whipped it behind
his back to the second. Baseman, yes and he then
threw it onto first to complete the complete the to.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Tell jewels that you're that you were a. PITCHER i
didn't even know he's a. Pitcher oh, YEAH i love.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
THAT i could not catch the, ball so when the
ball was hit toward, ME i turned my body and
stopped the ball with my. BODY i was black and
blue for seven.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Years as kind of a Tai chie approached the fielding.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Base, yes were you guys always close like from the.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Beginning from the, BEGINNING i knew THAT i was twenty
seven WHEN i Met, ron who was a team And
ron had a wisdom about him THAT i talk about
all the, time this depth of. UNDERSTANDING i hit My
(34:12):
this is a Story i've TOLD i hit my script
BECAUSE i couldn't tell a. Joke AND i came from
the theater AND i was doing a series AND i
was hitting my. Script And ron put his arm around,
me walked me to the back of the sound stage and,
said you, know the writers are working as hard as they.
(34:33):
Can let's not hit the. SCRIPT i, Said, RON i
will never hit the script as long AS i.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Live BUT i LOVE i loved it BECAUSE i, Mean
i've Been i've been acting all my life And i'd
been acting with good piece were three, yeah and and and,
uh you, know and The Andy Griffith show looked easy and.
Relaxed there's a place of real discipline and, professionalism SO,
i you, KNOW i knew my way. Around And hen
it was like this light of. Intelligence he'd been To.
(35:04):
Yale he spoke about acting in a different drama. SCHOOL
i couldn't get in Undergraduate yale drama. Scale BUT i
also recognized THAT i was going to learn something and.
Grow and we and our timing was just instantly, comfortable.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Easy there was like a thread that was connected between.
Us we could take a scene at twelve o'clock at
night when we were doing our. Reshoots we could take that,
scene memorize, it rehearse, it improvise, it and shoot it
three times in twenty. Minutes there was never a word.
(35:40):
SPOKEN i went where he, Went he went WHERE i
went in the. Scene, oh it, was it was you
cannot even describe.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It. Yeah And Jerry, paris who was our brilliant, director
a great comedy. Director and to this, day even When
i'm staging almost any scene, Something i'll just it's Like
jerry's on my. SHOULDER a little bit about movement and
uh and motivated action and. Things but he knew. It
he knew we were great together AND u and he
(36:14):
was also.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Nuts he would wear a red sweater every show and
then if they gave him the microphone to talk to the,
audience he would, say, hey where are you From? Japan
keep your cars to. Yourself they literally, said it is
(36:36):
against the law to let that man have a. Microphone
they would come and take him.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Away but a brilliant, comedian, Brilliant HERE'S i got a.
QUESTION i, know here's here's A this is a sort
of a generational. Question i'm being asked this. Constantly, culture,
society our business is, changed and people are constantly saying to,
me how different is? This how do you compare this
(37:05):
to other? Periods and you, Know I've i've AND i
think about it AND i have AND i have answers
or a point of. View But i'm very curious how
you two women feel about, it and also You, henry
because you, know it's a it's a really it's a
it's a dynamic. Time it's terrifying in a lot of.
Ways but there's a lot going.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
On, WELL i have an, answer no matter how different
the technology is no matter how different all of the
businesses WHICH, i because of my, dyslexia don't ever think
about WHEN i get a. Job my job is exactly
the same as it was in nineteen seventies when we
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were doing our. Show the job of creating that character
of being in the moment is not. DIFFERENT i.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Agree the problem solving, process when you get granular about,
it is by.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Granular you've liked that, twice, well like like super, detailed you,
know like like don't put your hand there because that
blocks that photo that is supposed to be a.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Clue got? It you know that those kinds of things got?
It or timing, real real precise timing. ISSUES i, mean
there's a right way in the wrong way to execute
certain moments to achieve whatever the reaction is you want
from the. Audience AND i don't think that's changed very
much at all from my childhood working on live television
shows Like playhouse. Ninety WHEN i was Directing, cocoon they
(38:37):
had a local. Actor this was about senior citizens living In,
florida and we cast, actors great, actors but there there's
one small part and we, thought, WELL i wonder if
we can find somebody locally so we don't have to
fly them. In and we. Did we found a guy
from The chamber Of commerce who had. Acted he was
ninety six years, old still driving his. Car he worked
(38:58):
part Time, charlie and he had acting credits on his
resume from nineteen sixteen and nineteen. Seventeen this was nineteen eighty,
four while or eighty, five and so he came in
and he did his three or four, lines and it
was great to Have charlie. Around and at a certain,
POINT i was sitting there at. Lunch we had cranes
and steady cams and multiple cameras and you, know all special,
(39:22):
effects AND i, Said, charlie this must be. WEIRD i,
mean tell me what it's like compared to your. Experience
because he had been an actor who chose not to pursue.
It he wasn't a big. Star he'd been a working.
Actor but when everything moved To, california you, know there
used to be the center of it Was New york,
(39:44):
biographs studios and places like. That when all of that,
moved he just decided to, stay you, know and eventually
found his way down To florida and so. Forth but
he was a salesman all of his. Life BUT i, said,
well so tell, me tell me ab out this experience
all these years later on a set, again and he,
said you, know it's kind of the same old, bullshit
(40:10):
hurry up and, wait you, know he, said he, said
the only difference is that now you have to shut
up every time they roll the. Camera in the old,
days if you weren't in the, scene you could just
keep the card game going and no one. Cared there's no. Sound,
Uh AND i never thought of.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It what do you, Think, BRYCE.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I think that is absolutely. TRUE i completely agree with.
THAT i think that the economics around the industry have changed,
dramatically and you, know have since kind of on of
of the, industry you, know a little over one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Ago SO i think that there were, uh.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
It's it's a little WHAT i would say is just
from WHAT i observed from kind of like my Like
henry And dad and kind of like you, know what
you guys were, doing and then just stepping into it
as an, adult and then and then kind of over
the last twenty years of my professional, LIFE i think
(41:20):
that there's been a little bit of a journey where
it's like WHAT i feel like when you guys were coming,
up it's still it wasn't a thing where you were, like,
OH i want to make a zillion trillion dollars doing.
This it was really, like oh my, god someone else
is going to pay for the thing THAT i want to,
do like you, know and, Yeah i'll make minimum and that's,
(41:40):
Fine like that's, Cool like minimum's, Amazing and there was
a sort of not a there wasn't as much sort
of like financial. Ambition and then and THEN i think
there was things kind of blew up in the eighties
and nineties and the business expanded as a, result and
(42:01):
the contraction that we've, FELT i think it's mostly the
disillusionment that the folks who thought that you're supposed to
be making livings that are like beyond a lawyer or
a doctor or something like. That and it's, LIKE i
don't know when that became a, thing because it's you,
know if you're a lawyer or a, doctor you, know
the the investment that you need to put into your
(42:23):
own education and career and expertise is, immense and so
so it's it's basically a long winded way of saying,
that you, KNOW i think the art form is, is you,
know very connected to what it's always. Been it's a
very ancient art form and the economics around it have
(42:44):
changed a, lot and it kind of the folks who you,
know Like, henry Like, dad who are still in. It you're,
like you're like in it to win, it but not
the winning isn't isn't necessarily, like OH i need to
be a.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
STAR i need to be winning An oscar every. YEAR
i need to you, know there.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Are these ants of, success, yeah or An, emmy but
it's you, know it's it's it's. True AND i AND
i really respect you, guys you KNOW I I i
really respect kind of your your.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Mindset let me ask you a. QUESTION i still love.
IT i so enjoy every detail of being on a.
Set do you feel that do you feel?
Speaker 4 (43:30):
That oh my, god, yes, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
That passion that.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Separates AND i wonder if that's maybe what's, rare you,
know like it used to be that that was the
that was the, commonality and NOW i think that that's
sort of the.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Rarity it might. BE i don't. KNOW i Sometimes i'm
sad that people who are, making who are giving the,
money who are making the entertainment don't have the same
love for the process as opposed to the, business WHICH
(44:08):
i think you we were.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
SAYING i think some of that has to do with
the fact that that in order to have a career
today this is both liberating but also a little. Terrifying
it's almost like no one aspect of your career is
necessarily going to feed your. Family that you probably need
to write and act and sing and the maybe you
(44:32):
could direct as, well and you better be, producing and
you better be. Entrepreneurial AND i think that puts a
lot of pressure on people and makes them think about
economics and the.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Business and you have to constantly reinvent. Yourself do you
know you, Cannot, Oh i'm not getting hired in this.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Area you've done that so many times.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And not sit there and, go, oh woe is? Me,
OKAY i have, Family i've got a, House i've got,
Dogs i've got To.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You've got me.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
All that is the main REASON i. WORK i, EVER
i never saw anything like. IT a daughter with a credit. Card,
wait but let's talk about.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Pets let's talk about. Pets, YES i really want to
talk about it because it's so incredible AND i is
this like your first. Documentary, no, WELL.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
I i did a. Documentary oh my, gosh perfect for this.
CONVERSATION i did a feature documentary Called dads and it, was,
uh you, know celebrating dads around the, world and AND
i got to to interview.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You haven't seen and dad love.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It you guys would just, you you guys would would
be uh, yeah, Yeah you're definitely in that demographic for,
sure in terms of in terms OF.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I was in it, Right, no, no.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
No but But, henry.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
You should Have that's.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
TRUE i.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
HAD i had Because Josh god is the godfather Of.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Why DON'T i have a? GODFATHER i don't have a?
Godfather don't is because We're?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
JEWISH i have no idea that might have been.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Overset nobody wanted to take me on.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
People we. Didn't we.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Did We we went around, people we. Strangers we have.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
The.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Assumption the assumption Was zoe that if if your parents
are taking, us if my parents peace, out then we
would do the same for you.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
GUYS i was.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
What the thinks that you need to have multi hats
in order to survive and and? Provide he would have,
Had i'm not. Kidding he would have had to gone
into a hole of a.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Gift, okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yes So pets is my, second my second feature, documentary
and It. Disney it's gonna be On Disney Plus april,
eleventh and and it's it's celebrating the relationship you know
that that we all we you, know those of us
who have had pets in our, life.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
We we, know we know what that.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Means AND i got to, highlight you, know folks who
were who who had really kind of like, unique, extraordinary
uh situations that they had set up in their, life
whether or not it's you, know in rescue or just
kind of you, know you, like kind of more personal.
Stories BUT i got to interview kids about, pets and,
(47:45):
that to me was one of the most fun Things
i've ever done in my entire. Life, just you, know
two days of interviewing children about about their their pets
and animals and and kind of like what their perspective
was on all of.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
It and it was just, so.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Can you give us a tidbit a detail from that
from those?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Interviews, YEAH i mean it's from the little well there
is there's one one little boy Who, landon who had
the cleft, palate and he has a. Dog his parents
work in foster and adoption and foster, animals and they
got a foster dog who also had a cleft, palate
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and so it was it was a foster, fail which
is which is that you, know they were like intending
for the dog to go to another home and they were, like,
no this dog is going.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Nowhere and and.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
You, know their their relationship is so beautiful and kind
of what it what it meant to because they both
had to go through surgeries at the same time and
all of, that and they would help each other recover
and and you, know there's just there are a million
of those stories.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And the individual stories are, amazing and she was SO i,
mean it took it took. Months she was, analyzing interviewing,
people going through submissions to find people from really really
all over the all over the world who had very
special relationships with pets and the pets had had remarkable
(49:22):
impact on. Them so they're while every every story is incredibly,
relatable they're just. Surprising they're they're, funny they're they're, heartbreaking
they're you, know they're. Inspiring but she put in so
much uh time trying to find individuals with relationships with
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animals that would you, know be fascinating to.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
WATCH i can't. Wait that's. Wonderful that's. Wonderful how do
you choose your?
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Subject, well IT'S i mean, there it's it's something THAT i,
mean you probably know. THIS i MEAN i was raised
in the household where they were just like it. Was
it was my my mom was really strict about everything
apart from.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Pets it was sort of, like, oh can you, know
can we go and adopt some?
Speaker 5 (50:29):
Kittens and my mom would like, yes where pretty much
everything else was a hard, no you, know and uh
and so and so just kind of Being AND i
was sort of raised on like a like a you,
know a farm ish sort of, environment and and that
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was just incredibly impactful to me growing. Up and so
my relationships with with the pets in my life or
some of the kind of the deep relationships THAT i,
have AND i just wanted to to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
THAT i, mean interestingly, enough there are.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
People have like there are more people that have pets than,
children right, which.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And sometimes like pets become their. CHILDREN i, mean you
know it's like A i, mean my parents dogs sleep
with them every night in their, bed.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
And sometimes the pets kind of become the. Parent, YEAH
i have a hard.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
TIME i have a hard time with people wheeling their
pets in baby characters down the. STREET i don't know
WHY i live in health Wheel. AWAY i don't know
why that does not touch, me but it bumps me
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Too, boys, boys you're going to have a problem with my,
documentary then.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
This is Gonna YES i, Am i'm.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Going to be. OKAY i was saying to your dad about.
Pets it's like you you know that they're not gonna
like you're gonna outlive the. Pet that's usually how it,
works but you keep doing, it and it's a love
that you can't even, describe you, know like IT'S i,
mean our dog passed away right Before rob AND i
(52:22):
Got oh, no she was still, light right before we Had.
Ace But rob in his on our wedding day put
a you're at our, wedding remember he put a picture
of his. Dog his sister surprised him with a picture
of his dog in his.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Suit.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Maya you, know it's just like this love that it's
it's universal for most people unless you're full.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Psychopaths she, was but this dog was special Because rob
AND i my son in, law would take his Dog
maya and our dogs the beach because there was a
dog beach in law beach down the road and her
his dog was But. Chess it's like she owns.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And their dog jumped out of the car on the
freeway and my dad was driving and just simply stopped
in the middle of The rob was, like, no, no, No,
henry you got to keep. Driving you got to pull
over the. Side And dad was, like, no, no, NO i.
CAN'T i just stopped in the middle of The rob
ran out in the middle off and ran After, charlotte
but my dad. Paralyzed rob was, LIKE i can never
(53:30):
do that again with your. Dad it's like literally LIKE
i just well do that.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Again with the windows. Open you could go with. ME
i cannot.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Wait i'm so excited to show my kids. Pets thank.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
You, YES i mean it's and And henry, asked, like
how do you choose these? Subjects it's like you, YOU
i want to choose something that is many human beings
as possible relate To, yeah you know and and so.
Yeah WHEN i learned that they're that that folks, have you,
know more people have pets than than, CHILDREN i was, like, oh,
okay so that's you, know that's a. Topic that's that's
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something that that people can hopefully see.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Themselves, well you have two incredible. Children you.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Do thank, you thank, you thank.
Speaker 6 (54:13):
You And.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
ZOE i just wanted TO i, MEAN i, KNOW i don't,
know are we supposed to be done or. SOMETHING i
wanted to ask you a question BECAUSE i do feel
just for. You we were talking about like how the
industry changed and all of, that and just with, you
just you, know coming from a background in education and
specializing with you, know kids and young kids in, particular
and just as like the super mom that you are.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Raising you, Are oh you, Are? Zoe you? Are you?
Are you? Are come, on you.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
Are and so it's, like what are you sort of
seeing change and what we're grappling with and whether or
not it's like local To Los angeles or an industry
specific town or, Not like what are?
Speaker 4 (55:00):
You what are you kind of seeing right?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
NOW i think it's like at a point AND i
don't know that this IS i don't know if it's
just In Los. ANGELES i can only speak To Los
angeles because that's where we are and that's Where i'm
raising my. Kids and after being around and living in
this world for my whole, life our whole, lives you.
Know we were born into this you know sort of
(55:25):
place with parents that were not only you, know actors
and directors and all the, things but also very very
very recognizable and also come from a time where they
were actually like you, know in people's homes and it
felt very, familial and so it was like people felt
(55:48):
like they knew and and NOW i think it's LIKE
i don't know what it feels like with social media
and all the, things and it feels less about the
craft than it does about sort of like the end,
result which is you, know looking a certain way or
(56:09):
being a certain, way or dressing a certain. Way, yeah
it's all about, branding, which by the, way like is
something THAT i just like had to meet with somebody
about because IF i even want to keep doing a,
PODCAST i got to figure that out for, me which
is so, bizarre you, know but that is how. It
that is how It. Now it's so much less about
(56:31):
AND i don't mean this in a bad, way so
this might, sound, yeah so much less about, talent and
it's so much more about like the, vibe you know
WHAT i, mean which is so very interesting foreign.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well vibe only lasts a little bit in like a,
vapor it dissipates into the, air and talent and craft
That ron was talking about lasts.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Forever it's weird. Death we are definitely, in you, know
a massive. Revolution i'm not saying, anything and not everybody doesn't,
know but it's also kind of important to recognize that
in other times in history when there have been whether
it's The Industrial revolution or The, renaissance it's created a
lot of, turmoil and it's changed a lot of, things
(57:19):
and and and and it's and and it's all just
heightened and exponential because tech moves that way in a new.
Way and so you, KNOW i think things feel, destabilizing
BUT i also feel like audiences will continue to tell
us what it is they, want whether it's vibe or
follow through or long form or short. Form but WHAT
(57:40):
i WHAT i keep seeing is that somebody wants all of,
it not and not it's not that one person wants
all of. It it's that there are audiences for every
single stylesibility talent based whether it's, theatrical whether it's juggling
or singing or.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Poetry, yeah and that people maybe also have the space
now to find out what that, is and then to
find their audience. Themselves there's more of there is more
of a, variety you. Know so so there's something for.
EVERYONE i think at the bottom of it all. Tenacity
it's your personal, will your passion that will, eventually if
(58:24):
you build, it they will come.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Whatever whatever the what the whatever the technology. ESTHETIC i
totally agree with you.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Know OH i love you.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Guys thank you for doing.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
This you're just the.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Best you have us on. Again, YEA i, WILL i,
WILL i went.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Too to everybody.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
In your, will same with. YOU i love you, also
love you.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Guys thank You.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
Dad all, right thank, you thank, you thank.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
You So april, eleventh, okay So Disney plastic
Speaker 3 (59:05):
By M hm
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
welcome back to another episode. Don't look at me when
I'm doing it. What in the Winkler. I am so
excited because today we have two well three actually, because
you're a guest too. We have three incredible guests who
are very, very very close to my heart. We have
my dad, Henry Winkler. We have Ron Howard and Bryce Howard.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm so excited and I'm so grateful, So thank you
guys for doing this.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Not corny, but I don't think I would have imagined
when I, like the moment you were born, that I would,
you know, one day be sitting on the couch and
you'd be hosting a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I didn't either, but that brings up my first prop.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So when Ron and I did Happy Days, there was
a kind of a shelf outside of our yes and
we put our coffee cups or a water bottles on
it as we went through the swinging doors before we
made our entries. At the end of Happy Days, I
took that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Shelf that is so smart.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And realized I wrote on it for almost the entire series.
Then I had people sign it like Ron, Gary Marshall,
and Marion. But let's see, this is very important because
(01:33):
Ron said I had a daughter today right there on
Oh my god. The I wrote it August thirty first,
in nineteen seventy nine. Ron found out he was going
to be a father. I found out I was going
(01:57):
to be a father on eight fifteen, seventy nine, and
here are our two daughters, and I wrote down the
start of each season beginning what happened. So there it is,
there's my board.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, incredible, because you guys basically grew up together.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Kind of we did.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It was the it was it was certainly my coming
of age story. It was you know, it was it
was all around that show. And uh, you know, and
we're still close. We still we still check in, we
still keep track of one another. But we learned so
much because you know, we went from well I learned
a lot from you, well vice versa.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean it, No, Yeah, Dad always talks about how
much he learned from you. Henry do you run?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But you have to have the microphone closer to oh okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I was gonna say the same exacting.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Thing, but uh, Tom Bosley was like giving us all
this guidance. He would get around and say, now do
you have what? What kind of insurance?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No idea what he was talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We learned, you know, and oh, you're gonna buy You
need to buy something, you need to own something. Right
and slowly, but surely we all started to actually buy things.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We did. Then we bought a house.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And then you had animals? Yes, yes, you had a monkey.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
We did, Sugar.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Did you have ducks?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, we didn't have ducks.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, no ducks.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Later we had some goats.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Wait, what was your monkey's name, Sugar?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Sugar? Yeah, sure, a wooly monkey, which we wouldn't have.
I mean it wouldn't be legal.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Which is never should have happened, never ever should have happened.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, Wi brings us to our next subject, which is Pets,
which is Bryce's documentary that is coming out on April eleventh.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Called Pets.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Can I just be a dad and say it is great?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Tell us about it, Bryce, it's good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's so good.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
You tell us that my my phone is ringing, so
I'm just going to quickly shut that off or disconnected somehow.
Someone there is another adult in the household, who can
handle it all on my husband? Okay, so I will,
I will Henry.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh wait before we talk about Pats. Well, so my
father is Brace's godfather and he and he was there
for like the beginning of when you and Seth the
Gens story.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, let's start
there because it's just so yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
So, like Henry's always been in Stacy have always been
the most incredible godparents, very supportive, everything kind of everything
wonderful that my parents are and everything wonderful that my
parents aren't.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Like there's like.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Handy everywhere in the house house, and like Zoe, you
were allowed to like experience nice things like getting nice
haircuts and like you know, like you always had like
your you were always so cool and and everyone had
such great style all the time. And my family suffered
(05:20):
a little bit in that department.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I was way, way, way, way way faster than Bryce.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But I definitely, I definitely was had a little bit
of arrested development.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You could say from.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, I don't know which one's better, because I was
a disaster.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, but I will say well that Bryce, what whatever
she thought she lacked was powerful because I took her
to lunch in a two thousand. Yeah, and you were
at school with Seth. Yeah, And you said, and I
know this guy, and I don't know how to get
(06:03):
him to pay attention to me. How do I get
him to pay attention to me? I said, Bryce, all
you have to do is breathe You're beautiful, you're talented,
you're strong. No, no, no, I need he's dating somebody else.
I need him to look in this direction.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It's it's honestly true, Henry.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I I I saw Seth and I and I broke
into hives. And I was and I was with with
one of my best friends at the time who later
married Seth and I and were the purple suit.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I don't know if you remember for the wedding.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I was with that friend and and he looked at
me and he was like, WHOA, what just happened to you?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Because he saw me like just like burst into just
like red.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Hives and all the friend the friend, my friend saw
me burst into hives.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And we both have read so with red hives, red hair,
it's a lot of red.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
It's a nightmare. And I and I pointed at Seth
and I was like, look at that boy. Look at
that boy.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
And I went home and I wrote in my journal,
I met the man I'm gonna marry.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The thing was, I didn't really properly meet him. I
had to stalk him.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And I told all of his friends how much I
had a crush on him. And he was very alarmed
by it, like genuine like genuinely alarmed. And I never
would do anything social. And I heard that he was
at a party. He was going to go to a
party in Brooklyn and and and it was like it
(07:41):
was an ironic party. It was the early aughts. It
was a two friends of ours who were both queer,
who got married in Atlantic City and they were having
a nullment party, and so they were they were having this.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Party, and so I was like, I was like, Seth
is there.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
I've got to go to this party and like get him,
Like what does one where to like an annulment Brooklyn party?
And and so I wore my prom dress, which was
too much. It was it was too much, and he
and he was there, and he like and I like
went up to him and I was like, hi, I'm raised,
(08:19):
and I like introduced myself and.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
He was like, oh cool, because he knew I was,
you know, and he like went home with someone else
that night.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
This is when Henry was saying, but that didn't work
out and I had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
That fizzled out on its own.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
But but what ended up No, no, it didn't need to,
but I would have and and what what ended up
happening was for yeah, months and months truly, I was
pining for him, and I went and saw him at
uh at a show he was doing. He did a
(08:55):
production of Light Sensitive, and he was just so amazing.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I just couldn't get him out of my head.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And I went home that night and I was like, Okay,
I'm not going to be able to sleep, and so
I went to a midnight showing by myself of Hannibal
to try to get him out of my head. Came
back from Hannibal it was two am. Called my friend
who I knew had his information. Was like, Mary, you
have to give me sets info. And she was like, Okay,
I know you don't drink Bryce, so I know that
(09:22):
you're not like good going to be like drunk dialing him,
but this is like very close to that, and I
need you to promise me that you're not going to
call him until the morning, and I was like, absolutely,
and I called him immediately and.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I left a message and I was.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Like, how you on the Redhead. You know, I'm Bryce
and we have a lot of friends in common. We
should go out sometime. The message, as you can imagine,
freaked him out even more. But unbeknownst to me at the.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Time, his roommate with someone that I was friends with,
Dane Sharbonneau, and Dane listened to the message and was like, no,
Bryce is cool, you should go out with her, Like
it's fine. Dane later became writing partners and I set
him up with my sister and they now have three
kids and they're married. So I got him back, which
(10:07):
was incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But yeah, I went.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I went out with Seth and we had our first
our first date, and at the time he was he
was actually shooting something with this like whole group of
like really cool n y U kids who I now
like have like since worked with Jake Shier, John Watts
and Chris Ford who did like Skeleton Crew and and
(10:32):
and Beef and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
They like totally are all part of like Max's Crew,
and and we we had our like first kiss.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Seth was like on his way to go and and
shoot with the guys that day, and and uh, and
we we had our first kiss.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
But basically it was it was really elaborate and complicated,
and I made good on everything.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Elaborate and complicate, the kiss.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The courtship, the court court one more ship.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So then, so she really didn't talk about guys a lot,
you know, and she was very quiet difference between us.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But no, I decided I wasn't going to date until
I was eighteen.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And so she started she started mentioning this guy and
and and you could just tell that, you know, that
she was really smitten, looked like she was in love
to chryl and and me. And then it was do
you want to come see him in a play? He's
the best actor at YU. Come see him in this
play and meet him afterwards. Sure, okay, we'll go. And
(11:41):
I'm just going over there thinking, all right, how I
know I've been directing for a while, but how good
of an actor can I be? If if he's craad,
you know, maybe he's just not there yet, you know,
And what will I how will I do it? So
I was kind of playing with line readings and things.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
He was awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It was great. I got to just immediately, you know,
he prays on him that he totally deserved and what
a great guy.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
He's the best, and he's such an amazing actor.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's an amazing actor. And my son directed him and
thought he was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that was so mutual because Seth, you know, yeah,
who's worked with a lot of different people, was just.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
You know, oh he just he said just Max was
was just tremendous, also incredibly stylish.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Every single day he was like it's an inspiration.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
To be frank, Like, every day he was just like
I just I'm like, well Max Winkler showed up, so
we all better show up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know what's so funny is in the hospital when
my mom was in the hospital this last couple of months,
at every single time in the hospital, he was so
chic and I would take pictures and be like hospital
outfit number one, you know, because I didn't want anything
that I wanted anything I could just throw in the
wash after because I'm a germophobe. And every single day
(12:59):
he would just like look so good and I would
say like, are you going somewhere after He's like, I'm shooting, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
He would just and he started he loved Wes Anderson,
and he dressed in a suit and tie and every
day when he started directing, Yes, yeah he did.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I mean it's it's to be honest, it's like that's
the that's sort of the least of it, you know,
Like Seth was saying that just his his awareness of
everyone in the crew and all of the actors and
just just creating an environment, really kind of curating an environment.
It's almost like a dinner party where just everyone is
(13:39):
being their best and he makes it really really just lovely,
like a lovely, lovely, lovely experience, and so his.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I would love to have had that experience. He only
hired me. I wore a cowboy hat, bermuta shorts and
ankle socks in the tub for a school shoot.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, you just did. You just did American horror Story.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, but he was he was the producer. I never
saw him. I never saw him.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
He was chic in another role.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We can hope, we can hope hers to hoping. You
get hired by Max Wingler. So you chose ron to
raise your family outside of Los Angeles. Yes, and you
chose to raise your family in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I was lazy. I didn't want to get it on
a plane every time I had an audition.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And I feel like it was the right decision for
both of you guys for different reasons. And I think
that that is probably why Bryce is so much more
normal than me.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, the amazing thing is when when Ron and Cheryl
fun when you were moving across country. Ron and Cheryl
came to Stacy and I and said, oh, listen, would
you take the children if God forbid anything happens to us.
You can even bar mids for them if you want this.
But just and and we got to be Bryce's God.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
You could have had about mid spot.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
I know, I know it's so sad. We just we
We would have had to take out a contract on
my parents and that would have solved that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The h.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
At the end of the day. Yes, we moved, and
it was always our dream. Look, Cheryl and I met
in high school, and I'd always talked about trying to
live somewhere else. And at a certain point as I
as I Burbank right in high.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
School in Burbank, right, Yeah, but at a certain point
the business was feeling a little smothering, you know, and uh,
and we were hearing stories about kids in kindergarten come
in the playground saying my dad's hotter than your dad
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
By the way, that that happens, Yeah, I'm sure it does.
I means it made sense to us at the time,
and that just sort of instigated us to say, Remember
we used to always talk about trying to live somewhere else, Well,
where else would we live? And we went on a
search and over a period of about a year, we
decided to try it back there in Connecticut, and it
(16:22):
turned out we really loved it, and entailed a hell
of a lot of traveling for me, but we liked it.
It felt like a good fit. And yeah, we wanted
to raise our kids outside of that, you know, that
sort of hot bed.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, I personally didn't care what happened to Mike.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Here's my point. Here's my point. You did stay. Your
kids are great. I know a lot of kids raise
here great.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I know a lot of.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Difficult, challenging. I don't think it's where you live, No,
it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
House.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
People ask me all the time, you know, like you
seem kind of normal, like, how did it? How did
it work?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The first ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That it's really it's family based. I mean, being a
parent is a really hard job and it takes extra
work to make sure that your kids are good people,
and you just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Have one thing in common, which is a couple of
parents who really love each other, who you know and
want and want our kids to know we love them. Yeah,
first and foremost.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Max said to me he directed his first movie. Uh,
and he did press, and he asked me to press
with him. He used me like a garden tool, which
is what I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Doing right now.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Happy.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I literally said, my problem growing up was I was
loved too much. I said, I want to tell you Max,
if I had to do it again, I would do
it exactly the same way. But here it is fifty
years later, your family and my family complete set, and
(17:59):
our dining room table just a few feet to my left.
And it was like, for me, in my heart, a
historic moment that these two incredible families that kind of
grew up together were all of a sudden two together
(18:19):
at that dinner. Bryce said, Hey, do you mind if
I paint? And she said, you know, when when I'm
just sitting around and I'm finished my food and everything,
i'd like.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
To paint prop number two. Sweet Henry made this incredible piece.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Just it's upside down.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Never no, no, it is okay, and it looks so
different inside. But the thing is that she never missed
a beat in the conference. Now she just oh, yeah,
I'll make this complicated garden. Oh I love that. It
was I amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was such an incredible dinner because it's a great dinner. Yeah,
and and and my kids were there, and Bryce's kids
were there, and it was just you guys were just
talking and you guys were going over these memories that
you have during this time where it was such a
different time. There weren't that many shows on television, there
weren't that many famous people around. It was just a
(19:25):
very different time, and you guys were going over these
stories about just what your life was like. And it
was so amazing for Bryce and I to listen. I
wished that we had recorded it, because.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
No, I did a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You did record it, right, you did.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I did record a little bit of it. So it
was like, oh, I wish you're recording it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I was like, I got a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like, I just like the memories and the experiences that
you guys have and that you guys stayed close, and
that MoMA and Cheryl are close, and it's just such
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My wife edited your wife's first book.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yes, that's right, Cheryl trusted.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Her and my wife poured over every word and wrote
in the margins and then sent it back. We're so interconnected, Bryce,
because you grew up in this environment, even if it
was in Connecticut. Did you always know that you wanted
(20:23):
to be an actress? Was that in your DNA or
did it come to you? Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It was more.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I don't think I I identified acting as the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I just wanted to be on a set.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
That was That was the thing I was really I
was really interested in, and the and the person that
I was always the most impressed with and paid attention
to the most was the first d D. And whenever
I tell ad is that, they're like, you made a
good choice. It was a really hard job. It is
a really really really hard job. But but yeah, it
was for me. It was just kind of being around
(21:05):
it and luckily I had just no bad experiences, you know,
in a way, I mean going back to the kind
of you know, wherever you raise your family, it really
is about kind of the culture within your family and
you know the people around that, and and and I
(21:26):
while I do think it was good, it was easier.
I think it was easier to raise to raise kids
outside of Los Angeles while kind of being in the
entertainment business in the eighties and nineties, at that kind
of point in time, my association with Los Angeles was
like you guys, and my grandparents and so it was
just like family, family, family, family, family, because my grandparents
(21:50):
were actors as well, you know, my uncle, and so
it was just I've had this like very very I mean,
we we all know that were privileged, but the layer
of privilege, like with Max, the problem being that he
was loved too much.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
It's like that's a privilege. That's a privilege.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And and it was just so extraordinary for me getting
to have have another kind of I have another set
of parents, have another set of siblings that I so
related to, felt so safe with, and was in this
kind of like place that I was like, oh, Hollywood,
(22:31):
that's like, you know the place that my parents left
and come here.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
We'd rent a house here. Sometimes we're making a movie here.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I remember, wasn't there, like when in Santa Monica Canyon, Yeah,
I remember that I was thirteen.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But but you know, the one thing we want very
good with films. With Thirteen and Day Lives, I just
realized we knew the end to both stories, and yet
you're a made them so compelling.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You were on the edge of your seat even though
we knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well turned out. I've really enjoyed working with stories based
on real events where you do know the outcome. But
if you get really granular, if you take a humanistic view,
people get invested in the process, like what you know,
what's going to be entailed in getting there? And the
first of all, I think they kind of forget that
they know the ending because they lose themselves in and
want to take a book.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
When you see a movie based on a book, you
just forget.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Because you see what But but even if they do
know what the outcome is, they don't know what the
emotional cost might have been. They don't know what you know,
what was entailed and actually getting over that, over that
finish line. But you know, one of the things that
by the way. Bryce was a great PA on Apalla thirteen.
She was one of these kids like she They had
to actually give her a walkie talkie on Far and Away.
(23:52):
I think she was ten because she was just nagging
the assistant director so much and she' said and finally
they let her have a walkie talkie and so stand
over by the experts and pass a couple of messages.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And I was thinking Bill the other night for that,
who was a PA on that? As well? Who's now
your first ad?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But the one thing we wanted was we didn't want
the kids to feel compelled to have to be in
the business, right And I think that's what we felt
is that it was our world. This became an industry
town because all of our friends were in it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
People when everybody we know wants to do something.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That's right and talk to us about it, and which
was great and exciting, but I feared it would be
pretty overwhelming for the kids and they would feel it
kind of a pressure. Bryce pursued it because she loved
the process, and it became clear at a certain point
I didn't think she was necessarily going to be interested
in acting. I didn't see, you know, a performer's energy
(24:50):
around her. She was just a great kid. But I
used to say, well, you know what she's I don't
know that she's ambitious. She's really people love her. She's
gonna be great in retail. I'd like to see a scarf,
and she would, she would.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
She could find you exactly the one for you.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And and you know and and uh uh uh Bryce
and her sister Page have pursued it. Uh read and
Jocelyn not not not at all, no interest whatsoever. And
have you know, very fulfilling lives. I'm I'm curious about about.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
The wind, so curious.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well did you feel I mean, you know, Max threw
himself into did you feel like that was something you
were supposed to chase?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I didn't, And I never felt I knew that I
really wanted to be a teacher. That was like the
number one thing. When I was younger, I was obsessed
with Madonna and I just wanted to be famous, but
I didn't really want to pursue it. And then once
I started kind of finding my passion in teaching and
(25:59):
all that kind of stuff, I I loved it and
I loved I love being a mom. And then when
this opportunity came up. I was excited, but I was
also nervous because I never really put myself out there
ever like that.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And so but let me just say a little story.
I'm driving all of a sudden there's a car next
to me here in La. The man says, put your
window down. He said, are you Zoe Winkler's father? I
said yes. He said, my daughter gets up in the
morning to go to school because she is her teacher.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I know the craziest thing. So I went to
this pop up burger place last Thursday, no kidding, yeah,
I was, and this this girl comes up to me,
an adult and says Zoe. And I looked at her
and it was Rachel Grode, the father, her father, that
was the child that and everyone was Sarah Mayah was
(26:54):
there and she was like, how do you know her?
And I was like, I was her teacher. She's a
full adult. And she was like, you're an icon.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
When when I when Henry told me you were, you
were you were, that's what you were pursuing. It made
so much sense. Cheryl and I I went to.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is it her?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So it was amazing to watch her with these children
teaching them. By all of a sudden, Zoe went. I
was sitting there and got into an argument with her
fellow teacher, her co teacher, and then and then they
resolved it. I got in an argut, Yes, and it
was a lesson.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You were we were acting okay, but I didn't know right,
we were right? Did you really think we were just pulling?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't know what I've done.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes, bought it.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
It's true though, It's true because.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I you actually like as a teacher, you are a legendary.
Because I I would hear because I became a really
young parent, like you know, who was surprise for everyone,
and and so I was I had THEO at twenty five,
and so you were.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Still so young. It was so insane. You were still
you were teaching then.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, And I would hear, like in mom groups and stuff,
I would hear about you, and I would be like,
oh my god, that's my godsister, and everybody love love
loved you.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
They're like, oh my god, she's the best teacher. She's
the best. Oh my god, I love her. I love her.
I love her like you know, and good things about
the school.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But it was.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Always really really centered on you. Truly truly you guys.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, total, total star.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But this show makes sense too because you've always been
a great conversationalist, great conversational spirit. True great. You know,
people want to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I think it's interesting to hear about other people in
their lives and you know, get into conversations that you
never thought you'd even get into. Like with you guys,
it's so comfy. But for a stranger, it's you know,
to hear about what their experience is. It's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I think, well, what is good? We realize we're all
the same, that we look different, we do different things,
we are different religions, whatever it is. But underneath all
of that, you hear the story.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Go I can relate. Yeah, which is such a beautiful thing. Grace.
Do any of your kids want to go into acting?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I mean it's definitely like like THEO is definitely on
the filmmaker track in a big way.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And and and in summer camp, everybody wanted him to
act in their films.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Well yeah, he was like like they did like a
silly a sort of like silly awards ceremony and one
of the things was like yeah in in it involved.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In the most movies of any kid.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And my brother, my brother Clint had My brother Clint
had dinner with him the other night and he texted
me and he says, I know, his film is great.
He's got a film that was just accepted at a
festival intulations and uh and you know, and that's that's terrific.
But with that, with his eyes and bone structure, I
don't know how they're going to keep him out in
front of the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, he's a very.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Handsome, but I didn't even know. I thought he was, like, uh,
he's a really amazing rock climber. Yes, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And that well, I mean that's the thing that's never.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
That's like the secret the sort of like secret thing
in our family because we're all such dorks. But both
my parents are super athletic, and both sets of grandparents
were really like you know, granddad, but both grandparents or
both grandfathers were athletes and kind of considered being professional athletes.
(30:39):
And my miss that I think, yeah, so that howards,
We all we all love that sort of stuff, like, yeah, no,
my brother's not so much.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I never played ball. I'm so dyslexic. I have no
eye hand coordination. And on the set. Ron Howard bought
me my first mint, my first baseball mint at twenty eight,
and I loved it. But all I could do was pitch.
And my catcher when we played on Sundays was Clint Toward.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
And Clint came in and because Henry was it's very physical.
He can dance, he can move, he's great. Yeah, and
he said.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I can't play ball.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I can't play ball, and I knew it was it
was slow pitch softball, and I just felt like he
can pitch. He can.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Absolutely, You're such a good friend. Honestly, even the way
you're talking about it, You're just like such a good friend.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We should really know each other.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So I got him the glove. Clint came over and
around the seat and start, you know, and start of coaching.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And in between scenes, they taught me to pitch, and
Anson Williams, who played Pazzi, gave me my first bat.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
But I got to tell you. We then started playing
games that were in front of large crowds before major
league games, and we would travel around and because we
were a number one show, oh, big crowds would come
and and they would play this. We'd play the sixth
inning game against usually radio the Mets wives and wives
radio celebrities. Usually there were very easy games for us
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to win because we did want to win, and we
and for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
The most part, very competitive.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And but one game in Philadelphia, they start, they put
they put not baseball players, but they put athletes against this,
hockey players in ex retired NBA players and stuff like that.
Vera and I said, oh, this is going to be tough.
And Clint said to me, Henry can get them out.
And we won that ball game two to one. You
(32:37):
did two to one, and Henry was was getting these
professionals to pop up because Clint would find the right
position and hint, Henry would.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Get the Clint talked me through it. We played against
all stars here in LA and one of the all
stars we played against was Magic Johnson. I remember that
are how hard name member of our team hit that ball.
All that man did was put his hand up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He played third base and at one point he grabbed
a ground ball at six', nine he played third. Base
he grabbed a hot grounder a third and it was
a double play situation and he literally whipped it behind
his back to the second. Baseman, yes and he then
threw it onto first to complete the complete the to.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Tell jewels that you're that you were a. PITCHER i
didn't even know he's a. Pitcher oh, YEAH i love.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
THAT i could not catch the, ball so when the
ball was hit toward, ME i turned my body and
stopped the ball with my. BODY i was black and
blue for seven.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Years as kind of a Tai chie approached the fielding.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Base, yes were you guys always close like from the.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Beginning from the, BEGINNING i knew THAT i was twenty
seven WHEN i Met, ron who was a team And
ron had a wisdom about him THAT i talk about
all the, time this depth of. UNDERSTANDING i hit My
(34:12):
this is a Story i've TOLD i hit my script
BECAUSE i couldn't tell a. Joke AND i came from
the theater AND i was doing a series AND i
was hitting my. Script And ron put his arm around,
me walked me to the back of the sound stage and,
said you, know the writers are working as hard as they.
(34:33):
Can let's not hit the. SCRIPT i, Said, RON i
will never hit the script as long AS i.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Live BUT i LOVE i loved it BECAUSE i, Mean
i've Been i've been acting all my life And i'd
been acting with good piece were three, yeah and and and,
uh you, know and The Andy Griffith show looked easy and.
Relaxed there's a place of real discipline and, professionalism SO,
i you, KNOW i knew my way. Around And hen
it was like this light of. Intelligence he'd been To.
(35:04):
Yale he spoke about acting in a different drama. SCHOOL
i couldn't get in Undergraduate yale drama. Scale BUT i
also recognized THAT i was going to learn something and.
Grow and we and our timing was just instantly, comfortable.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Easy there was like a thread that was connected between.
Us we could take a scene at twelve o'clock at
night when we were doing our. Reshoots we could take that,
scene memorize, it rehearse, it improvise, it and shoot it
three times in twenty. Minutes there was never a word.
(35:40):
SPOKEN i went where he, Went he went WHERE i
went in the. Scene, oh it, was it was you
cannot even describe.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It. Yeah And Jerry, paris who was our brilliant, director
a great comedy. Director and to this, day even When
i'm staging almost any scene, Something i'll just it's Like
jerry's on my. SHOULDER a little bit about movement and
uh and motivated action and. Things but he knew. It
he knew we were great together AND u and he
(36:14):
was also.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Nuts he would wear a red sweater every show and
then if they gave him the microphone to talk to the,
audience he would, say, hey where are you From? Japan
keep your cars to. Yourself they literally, said it is
(36:36):
against the law to let that man have a. Microphone
they would come and take him.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Away but a brilliant, comedian, Brilliant HERE'S i got a.
QUESTION i, know here's here's A this is a sort
of a generational. Question i'm being asked this. Constantly, culture,
society our business is, changed and people are constantly saying to,
me how different is? This how do you compare this
(37:05):
to other? Periods and you, Know I've i've AND i
think about it AND i have AND i have answers
or a point of. View But i'm very curious how
you two women feel about, it and also You, henry
because you, know it's a it's a really it's a
it's a dynamic. Time it's terrifying in a lot of.
Ways but there's a lot going.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
On, WELL i have an, answer no matter how different
the technology is no matter how different all of the
businesses WHICH, i because of my, dyslexia don't ever think
about WHEN i get a. Job my job is exactly
the same as it was in nineteen seventies when we
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were doing our. Show the job of creating that character
of being in the moment is not. DIFFERENT i.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Agree the problem solving, process when you get granular about,
it is by.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Granular you've liked that, twice, well like like super, detailed you,
know like like don't put your hand there because that
blocks that photo that is supposed to be a.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Clue got? It you know that those kinds of things got?
It or timing, real real precise timing. ISSUES i, mean
there's a right way in the wrong way to execute
certain moments to achieve whatever the reaction is you want
from the. Audience AND i don't think that's changed very
much at all from my childhood working on live television
shows Like playhouse. Ninety WHEN i was Directing, cocoon they
(38:37):
had a local. Actor this was about senior citizens living In,
florida and we cast, actors great, actors but there there's
one small part and we, thought, WELL i wonder if
we can find somebody locally so we don't have to
fly them. In and we. Did we found a guy
from The chamber Of commerce who had. Acted he was
ninety six years, old still driving his. Car he worked
(38:58):
part Time, charlie and he had acting credits on his
resume from nineteen sixteen and nineteen. Seventeen this was nineteen eighty,
four while or eighty, five and so he came in
and he did his three or four, lines and it
was great to Have charlie. Around and at a certain,
POINT i was sitting there at. Lunch we had cranes
and steady cams and multiple cameras and you, know all special,
(39:22):
effects AND i, Said, charlie this must be. WEIRD i,
mean tell me what it's like compared to your. Experience
because he had been an actor who chose not to pursue.
It he wasn't a big. Star he'd been a working.
Actor but when everything moved To, california you, know there
used to be the center of it Was New york,
(39:44):
biographs studios and places like. That when all of that,
moved he just decided to, stay you, know and eventually
found his way down To florida and so. Forth but
he was a salesman all of his. Life BUT i, said,
well so tell, me tell me ab out this experience
all these years later on a set, again and he,
said you, know it's kind of the same old, bullshit
(40:10):
hurry up and, wait you, know he, said he, said
the only difference is that now you have to shut
up every time they roll the. Camera in the old,
days if you weren't in the, scene you could just
keep the card game going and no one. Cared there's no. Sound,
Uh AND i never thought of.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It what do you, Think, BRYCE.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I think that is absolutely. TRUE i completely agree with.
THAT i think that the economics around the industry have changed,
dramatically and you, know have since kind of on of
of the, industry you, know a little over one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Ago SO i think that there were, uh.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
It's it's a little WHAT i would say is just
from WHAT i observed from kind of like my Like
henry And dad and kind of like you, know what
you guys were, doing and then just stepping into it
as an, adult and then and then kind of over
the last twenty years of my professional, LIFE i think
(41:20):
that there's been a little bit of a journey where
it's like WHAT i feel like when you guys were coming,
up it's still it wasn't a thing where you were, like,
OH i want to make a zillion trillion dollars doing.
This it was really, like oh my, god someone else
is going to pay for the thing THAT i want to,
do like you, know and, Yeah i'll make minimum and that's,
(41:40):
Fine like that's, Cool like minimum's, Amazing and there was
a sort of not a there wasn't as much sort
of like financial. Ambition and then and THEN i think
there was things kind of blew up in the eighties
and nineties and the business expanded as a, result and
(42:01):
the contraction that we've, FELT i think it's mostly the
disillusionment that the folks who thought that you're supposed to
be making livings that are like beyond a lawyer or
a doctor or something like. That and it's, LIKE i
don't know when that became a, thing because it's you,
know if you're a lawyer or a, doctor you, know
the the investment that you need to put into your
(42:23):
own education and career and expertise is, immense and so
so it's it's basically a long winded way of saying,
that you, KNOW i think the art form is, is you,
know very connected to what it's always. Been it's a
very ancient art form and the economics around it have
(42:44):
changed a, lot and it kind of the folks who you,
know Like, henry Like, dad who are still in. It you're,
like you're like in it to win, it but not
the winning isn't isn't necessarily, like OH i need to
be a.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
STAR i need to be winning An oscar every. YEAR
i need to you, know there.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Are these ants of, success, yeah or An, emmy but
it's you, know it's it's it's. True AND i AND
i really respect you, guys you KNOW I I i
really respect kind of your your.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Mindset let me ask you a. QUESTION i still love.
IT i so enjoy every detail of being on a.
Set do you feel that do you feel?
Speaker 4 (43:30):
That oh my, god, yes, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
That passion that.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Separates AND i wonder if that's maybe what's, rare you,
know like it used to be that that was the
that was the, commonality and NOW i think that that's
sort of the.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Rarity it might. BE i don't. KNOW i Sometimes i'm
sad that people who are, making who are giving the,
money who are making the entertainment don't have the same
love for the process as opposed to the, business WHICH
(44:08):
i think you we were.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
SAYING i think some of that has to do with
the fact that that in order to have a career
today this is both liberating but also a little. Terrifying
it's almost like no one aspect of your career is
necessarily going to feed your. Family that you probably need
to write and act and sing and the maybe you
(44:32):
could direct as, well and you better be, producing and
you better be. Entrepreneurial AND i think that puts a
lot of pressure on people and makes them think about
economics and the.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Business and you have to constantly reinvent. Yourself do you
know you, Cannot, Oh i'm not getting hired in this.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Area you've done that so many times.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And not sit there and, go, oh woe is? Me,
OKAY i have, Family i've got a, House i've got,
Dogs i've got To.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
You've got me.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
All that is the main REASON i. WORK i, EVER
i never saw anything like. IT a daughter with a credit. Card,
wait but let's talk about.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Pets let's talk about. Pets, YES i really want to
talk about it because it's so incredible AND i is
this like your first. Documentary, no, WELL.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
I i did a. Documentary oh my, gosh perfect for this.
CONVERSATION i did a feature documentary Called dads and it, was,
uh you, know celebrating dads around the, world and AND
i got to to interview.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
You haven't seen and dad love.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It you guys would just, you you guys would would
be uh, yeah, Yeah you're definitely in that demographic for,
sure in terms of in terms OF.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I was in it, Right, no, no.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
No but But, henry.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
You should Have that's.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
TRUE i.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
HAD i had Because Josh god is the godfather Of.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Why DON'T i have a? GODFATHER i don't have a?
Godfather don't is because We're?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
JEWISH i have no idea that might have been.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Overset nobody wanted to take me on.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
People we. Didn't we.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Did We we went around, people we. Strangers we have.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
The.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Assumption the assumption Was zoe that if if your parents
are taking, us if my parents peace, out then we
would do the same for you.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
GUYS i was.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
What the thinks that you need to have multi hats
in order to survive and and? Provide he would have,
Had i'm not. Kidding he would have had to gone
into a hole of a.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Gift, okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yes So pets is my, second my second feature, documentary
and It. Disney it's gonna be On Disney Plus april,
eleventh and and it's it's celebrating the relationship you know
that that we all we you, know those of us
who have had pets in our, life.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
We we, know we know what that.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Means AND i got to, highlight you, know folks who
were who who had really kind of like, unique, extraordinary
uh situations that they had set up in their, life
whether or not it's you, know in rescue or just
kind of you, know you, like kind of more personal.
Stories BUT i got to interview kids about, pets and,
(47:45):
that to me was one of the most fun Things
i've ever done in my entire. Life, just you, know
two days of interviewing children about about their their pets
and animals and and kind of like what their perspective
was on all of.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
It and it was just, so.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Can you give us a tidbit a detail from that
from those?
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Interviews, YEAH i mean it's from the little well there
is there's one one little boy Who, landon who had
the cleft, palate and he has a. Dog his parents
work in foster and adoption and foster, animals and they
got a foster dog who also had a cleft, palate
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and so it was it was a foster, fail which
is which is that you, know they were like intending
for the dog to go to another home and they were, like,
no this dog is going.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Nowhere and and.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
You, know their their relationship is so beautiful and kind
of what it what it meant to because they both
had to go through surgeries at the same time and
all of, that and they would help each other recover
and and you, know there's just there are a million
of those stories.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And the individual stories are, amazing and she was SO i,
mean it took it took. Months she was, analyzing interviewing,
people going through submissions to find people from really really
all over the all over the world who had very
special relationships with pets and the pets had had remarkable
(49:22):
impact on. Them so they're while every every story is incredibly,
relatable they're just. Surprising they're they're, funny they're they're, heartbreaking
they're you, know they're. Inspiring but she put in so
much uh time trying to find individuals with relationships with
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animals that would you, know be fascinating to.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
WATCH i can't. Wait that's. Wonderful that's. Wonderful how do
you choose your?
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Subject, well IT'S i mean, there it's it's something THAT i,
mean you probably know. THIS i MEAN i was raised
in the household where they were just like it. Was
it was my my mom was really strict about everything
apart from.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Pets it was sort of, like, oh can you, know
can we go and adopt some?
Speaker 5 (50:29):
Kittens and my mom would like, yes where pretty much
everything else was a hard, no you, know and uh
and so and so just kind of Being AND i
was sort of raised on like a like a you,
know a farm ish sort of, environment and and that
(50:51):
was just incredibly impactful to me growing. Up and so
my relationships with with the pets in my life or
some of the kind of the deep relationships THAT i,
have AND i just wanted to to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
THAT i, mean interestingly, enough there are.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
People have like there are more people that have pets than,
children right, which.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And sometimes like pets become their. CHILDREN i, mean you
know it's like A i, mean my parents dogs sleep
with them every night in their, bed.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
And sometimes the pets kind of become the. Parent, YEAH
i have a hard.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
TIME i have a hard time with people wheeling their
pets in baby characters down the. STREET i don't know
WHY i live in health Wheel. AWAY i don't know
why that does not touch, me but it bumps me
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
Too, boys, boys you're going to have a problem with my,
documentary then.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
This is Gonna YES i, Am i'm.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Going to be. OKAY i was saying to your dad about.
Pets it's like you you know that they're not gonna
like you're gonna outlive the. Pet that's usually how it,
works but you keep doing, it and it's a love
that you can't even, describe you, know like IT'S i,
mean our dog passed away right Before rob AND i
(52:22):
Got oh, no she was still, light right before we Had.
Ace But rob in his on our wedding day put
a you're at our, wedding remember he put a picture
of his. Dog his sister surprised him with a picture
of his dog in his.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Suit.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Maya you, know it's just like this love that it's
it's universal for most people unless you're full.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Psychopaths she, was but this dog was special Because rob
AND i my son in, law would take his Dog
maya and our dogs the beach because there was a
dog beach in law beach down the road and her
his dog was But. Chess it's like she owns.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
And their dog jumped out of the car on the
freeway and my dad was driving and just simply stopped
in the middle of The rob was, like, no, no, No,
henry you got to keep. Driving you got to pull
over the. Side And dad was, like, no, no, NO i.
CAN'T i just stopped in the middle of The rob
ran out in the middle off and ran After, charlotte
but my dad. Paralyzed rob was, LIKE i can never
(53:30):
do that again with your. Dad it's like literally LIKE
i just well do that.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Again with the windows. Open you could go with. ME
i cannot.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Wait i'm so excited to show my kids. Pets thank.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
You, YES i mean it's and And henry, asked, like
how do you choose these? Subjects it's like you, YOU
i want to choose something that is many human beings
as possible relate To, yeah you know and and so.
Yeah WHEN i learned that they're that that folks, have you,
know more people have pets than than, CHILDREN i was, like, oh,
okay so that's you, know that's a. Topic that's that's
(54:05):
something that that people can hopefully see.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Themselves, well you have two incredible. Children you.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Do thank, you thank, you thank.
Speaker 6 (54:13):
You And.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
ZOE i just wanted TO i, MEAN i, KNOW i don't,
know are we supposed to be done or. SOMETHING i
wanted to ask you a question BECAUSE i do feel
just for. You we were talking about like how the
industry changed and all of, that and just with, you
just you, know coming from a background in education and
specializing with you, know kids and young kids in, particular
and just as like the super mom that you are.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Raising you, Are oh you, Are? Zoe you? Are you?
Are you? Are come, on you.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
Are and so it's, like what are you sort of
seeing change and what we're grappling with and whether or
not it's like local To Los angeles or an industry
specific town or, Not like what are?
Speaker 4 (55:00):
You what are you kind of seeing right?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
NOW i think it's like at a point AND i
don't know that this IS i don't know if it's
just In Los. ANGELES i can only speak To Los
angeles because that's where we are and that's Where i'm
raising my. Kids and after being around and living in
this world for my whole, life our whole, lives you.
Know we were born into this you know sort of
(55:25):
place with parents that were not only you, know actors
and directors and all the, things but also very very
very recognizable and also come from a time where they
were actually like you, know in people's homes and it
felt very, familial and so it was like people felt
(55:48):
like they knew and and NOW i think it's LIKE
i don't know what it feels like with social media
and all the, things and it feels less about the
craft than it does about sort of like the end,
result which is you, know looking a certain way or
(56:09):
being a certain, way or dressing a certain. Way, yeah
it's all about, branding, which by the, way like is
something THAT i just like had to meet with somebody
about because IF i even want to keep doing a,
PODCAST i got to figure that out for, me which
is so, bizarre you, know but that is how. It
that is how It. Now it's so much less about
(56:31):
AND i don't mean this in a bad, way so
this might, sound, yeah so much less about, talent and
it's so much more about like the, vibe you know
WHAT i, mean which is so very interesting foreign.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well vibe only lasts a little bit in like a,
vapor it dissipates into the, air and talent and craft
That ron was talking about lasts.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Forever it's weird. Death we are definitely, in you, know
a massive. Revolution i'm not saying, anything and not everybody doesn't,
know but it's also kind of important to recognize that
in other times in history when there have been whether
it's The Industrial revolution or The, renaissance it's created a
lot of, turmoil and it's changed a lot of, things
(57:19):
and and and and it's and and it's all just
heightened and exponential because tech moves that way in a new.
Way and so you, KNOW i think things feel, destabilizing
BUT i also feel like audiences will continue to tell
us what it is they, want whether it's vibe or
follow through or long form or short. Form but WHAT
(57:40):
i WHAT i keep seeing is that somebody wants all of,
it not and not it's not that one person wants
all of. It it's that there are audiences for every
single stylesibility talent based whether it's, theatrical whether it's juggling
or singing or.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Poetry, yeah and that people maybe also have the space
now to find out what that, is and then to
find their audience. Themselves there's more of there is more
of a, variety you. Know so so there's something for.
EVERYONE i think at the bottom of it all. Tenacity
it's your personal, will your passion that will, eventually if
(58:24):
you build, it they will come.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Whatever whatever the what the whatever the technology. ESTHETIC i
totally agree with you.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Know OH i love you.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Guys thank you for doing.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
This you're just the.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Best you have us on. Again, YEA i, WILL i,
WILL i went.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Too to everybody.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
In your, will same with. YOU i love you, also
love you.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Guys thank You.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
Dad all, right thank, you thank, you thank.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
You So april, eleventh, okay So Disney plastic
Speaker 3 (59:05):
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