April 16, 2025 • 49 mins
It's the sister/mother-in-law convo you didn't know was missing from your life, because Jess Barden is here and she's sharing what it's been like marrying into a famous family! From the biggest fights and sex life convos with Zoe, to what Stacey and everyone else really thought about her when she first started dating Max, the actress and mom of 2 answers everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Today we have a really special guest. I feel like
I say that every time, but this is more special.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, this is the special, most special, the most special.
Jessica Barden is an English actress. She began her career
as a child actress. She is best known for her
role as Alyssa Foley in the comedy drama End of
the Fucking World. She received a British Independent Film Award
nomination for her performance in Scarborough. She's also staring in
(00:37):
the new TV series Dune.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She's also been and she's got the best reviews of
anyone in.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Jail my good and is married to my brother Max Winkler.
They've been married since March twenty twenty one. They have
two children together and we love her. Welcome to the podcast,
my sister in law, jess Barden.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Wow, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Should I go over all your other roles they're all
listed here in my notes?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, okay, well we could if we want so.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We have heard your requests to have jess on the show,
and we're so excited she's here.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And actually, before we start, before we even like started
a week ago, I think Jess put on her Instagram
if there were any questions that her fan base would
like answered.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
On what way? Sure it is?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And she got hundreds and hundreds of questions that they
would like to answered.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So should we answer some of them? Should we start there?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, let's start that, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So well, the first question is.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I haven't seen any of these questions, by the way, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She sent me all the screen Actually, she sent our
producer Mattie all the screenshots and there were hundreds. So
we're gonna ask and you're gonna answer, and we're all
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Really, really honest. Okay, Oh no, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, the first question that was very is there going
to be a third season of the End of the
fucking World?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is there going to be a third season of the
End of the fucking World? Well, okay, I would love
there to be a third season of the End of
the fucking World.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So I'm gonna manifest it and I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, ok I'm yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
So we'll make the third season of the End of the.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Fucking world, and can we be in it? Can my
mom and I be in it? Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why not? Let's do it?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay? What were.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Your first impressions of my mom and I?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Okay, okay, No, I didn't ever in a million years.
My first impression of Zoe was that she was exactly
the same as me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I have two brothers as well, So I remember.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The first time that I really met you was Max's
birthday and we were making that pasta dish that he
just continued to make, like over and over again, and he.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Went through a major what was it lemon pasta?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it was a lemon pasta.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So much he was like an insane cook. He he
had a cooking moment. He's a good cook. He is
a good cook, but he makes the biggest.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Mass human beyond like and he won't.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Let anyone help. Okay, go on.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But there was too much in it, and there was
what was it what was the herb that was in it?
It wasn't cilantro parsonally like insane amounts of parsley like.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It was the most anti social meala ever.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Anyway, So we came over and we were making that
pasta and the way that you were speaking to Marx
was just like everything about it was exactly the way
that I am with my family, and I was like, ohly,
this is so interesting, Like I can't really see myself
like fitting in here. But I didn't want to be
presumptuous of our relationship. Cut to a year later, I
think I was like pregnant. My first impression of Stacy was.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Honestly, I mean, the thing is the truth.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I thought that you were like one of the most
incredible people I've ever met.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
My wife, everybody for you know, you know what, I
just want to interrupt the ritz. That's bullshit. Anyone that
my sons love, I love, that's just a given. I
have two incredible daughter and loves and I would say
(04:33):
I am the luckiest person in the world. And that's
the truth. Sometimes you're nicer to your daughter in laws
than you're Oh yes, we know you feel that way.
So it keeps a running town that I've saved ju life.
You're much nicer to me. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I just remember another thing about the first time that
I met Henry and Stacy.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There was an earthquake.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh there was, it was fourth of July. We forgotten
about your first impression of me. Oh yeah, you guys
were the most incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You were incredible. You guys were so nice to meet.
You wanted me to stay over.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You like made you like made the spare bedroom up
for me. We went to Toscana. It was fourth of
July weekend. We went to Toscana. But me and Max were
like just friends.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right, were the pandemic?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It was, No, we were just no one ever believes
as far as friends.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, we I'm being so serious.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Okay, we honestly were still friends because that's the only
reason that he married me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Because friends.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Wait, should we start? Actually, how did you guys meet?
That's a great question. That was one that came up
a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, y, how you met? The way that we first
ta as old as time?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It was actually this is I tell the story a
lot for people.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Was the star of his movie.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No, we met each other before then. I tell the
story a lot to people. It is like a remind
of how like you meet people at the right time,
and you know when people like when am I going
to find the right person? Like when am I going
to be in a relationship? So me and Max, like
Max first saw me in a movie when I was
like fifteen.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, but let's not even go there.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Okay. So he first saw.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Me in a movie when I was fifteen.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He was like, what twenty four, twenty five, and he
was like, he tells a story and he was like wow.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Like want to meet this girl, like want to work
with her? Okay, all about the movie. There was a
movie called Hannah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh it's in my notes hammer a movie called Hannah.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And then he would like try and audition me for
movies and I've never got the part, Like he didn't
give me the job. He auditioned me for his movie
Flower when I was like twenty one, and we I
don't know if I've told you guys story.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was twenty one and I'm scared.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We like facetimed, and I was making a movie called
Far from the Mad in Crowd with Thomas Vinsberg, Oscar
winning director, Like this was a huge movie. This is
when everybody was like gonna be a movie star, like
before the industry change and everyone was like I'm gonna
be a TV star okay anyway, and I was like
I can't do this audition for you right now because
(07:09):
I was like improvising in like Victorian times, which was
extremely hard. Didn't mean anything to Marx, clearly an American director.
He was like, I don't have time to wait for this, like,
and he, you know, gave the role to somebody else
who was amazing in it, like Zoe Deutsch is like
the right person for.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
A movie Flower.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, but I was like, that guy was so arrogant.
So then my first impression of Marx was like, what
an arrogant person? Okay, So then when he wanted to
audition me for jungle Land three years later, I was like, guys, like,
I don't know, Like I literally was like to my team, like,
I don't know, Like I found that guy like kind
of arrogant last time. Like I was like, I don't
(07:51):
know if I'm he's really gonna be somebody that I
want to work with. Anyway, he gave me the role
and then we became really good for.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It seemed to work out for you, but we both.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Were in different relationships. We both still have really good
relationships with these people now, so we truly, you know,
we were friends on this movie. And then I came
to Los Angeles in the summer of twenty nineteen to
make a movie with Kelly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oxford and we were in that movie.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, Henry was in that movie. And then
we went on like lunch dates and then we realized
that we were both single. And then it was fourth
of July weekend and there was earthquakes all the time,
and then we just started like dating each other and
we lived together in September.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Because you guys lived together quickly.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Because yeah, but we seem to have escaped over this.
The first time that we went out on like a
date with Henry and Stacey, she like made up the
spare bedroom for me and was like she was trying
to like.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Force me to stay away Shane her Chane.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
She was like, why don't you stay over? Stay the night.
She wanted me to sleep in the spare room.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wait, did you plan on staying in the US prior
to meeting Max?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
In all honesty, yes, because at that point in my
life I was really I mean, look, I was twenty.
I would just turn wait, how old is I twenty
six twenty seven when I was like dating Marks. So
like the joke with me and my friends is like
I was like gonna do everything like for myself, and
I wanted to stay here. I'd worked like really solidly
(09:27):
for like two years of our breaks. I wanted to
stay in la and t hate time off, and then
I ended up like being with Max and we just
never like left each other. He moved into his house,
we moved it. You helped him move in, and he
was like, I don't want to stay here alone because
there was no TVs in the house yet, So I
stayed in the house.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Woman just never.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Left, never left, And you've made like I think the
never paid when.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think you've made the best.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I never really contry fire, she said, any keeper of the house.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Remember that you didn't know how to drive.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I didn't know how to drive.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, she just learned how to drive last year.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No I didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I learned how in the hills.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh yeah, yeah I would.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
She was like, she was like a prisoner. There a question.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We got a lot, but I don't even want to
like answer. This question was do you ever talk about
leaving and going back to London?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
No, yes, we have done. Of course we have done.
This is an important thing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We're of the first people in the world that are
from different countries.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know, I'll have like a soul.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, we probably will be, no matter how many times
we obviously don't want to live here anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Like I don't want to make it political, like iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I don't really know where you guys stand with that,
but I'm just gonna say, like for us, you know,
we obviously we're not big fans of the Apprentice.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Let's just say that.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
So obviously like we don't want to live here anymore.
But Stacey and Zoe would probably throw themselves.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Down and bring everybody and the family would have to come.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
They would throw themselves down, which would probably really fun.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes, the girls you could act. Lulu could dance. It
would be wondering.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Lulu can dance, Gus can dance.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yes, and everyone Jewls can do whatever Jewels does. If
they're baseball, India can probably end up being private serve
the country.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
There's not baseball in England is called rounders.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh and soccer, so of course everyone would be perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What would you do in England?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I would stay in my bed as I do here.
She would keep living her life. I'd keep living my life. No,
I they do have lovely shops, yeah, and great bookstores.
And you just.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Went to London this past summer. She met all my family.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I met all her family. That's a question.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Does does your family get along with our family? And
you your mom has come out and visit. Were obsessed
with her. I've never met your brothers, but we follow
each other on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I've met she's met.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Okay, this is another family. You met my nan and
you met my grandma and granddad. You met my step mom.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
This is like Gail. I didn't say step mom like that.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just meant like, this is like a good again,
another amazing story that I tell people. You know, because
like when you first start dating people, you when you
feel it getting serious, you get like anxious because you're like,
oh my god, like people are going to meet my family?
You do if you have my family and their family
because they're eccentric, so you're like the people going to think.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
They fully centric. They fully I'm not.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
They fully just hung out with each other without me,
like I couldn't control the situation, and I was just like,
well just breathing, breathe out.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And it worked. Yeah, you had a really good time,
and so did. We had a great time. And I
love wonderful. I love your mom. I love your mom too,
And you know who loves your your mom is my kids.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, I mean she I mean, you know what, she's
really she's a really good mom when we.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Every single, and she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I try and recreate a lot of things that my
mom did for us when we were kids. Really like
that is basically my age that was she's a she's
actually the same age as Jet.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And yes, that's a problem Jesse's.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But I am younger than Max. I'm ten years younger
than him.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm the age of Jesse's grandmother. Well that's okay because we.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Multiple people have asked me when we're out together if
i'm her mother.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's just because we look the same and I'm holding
a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's devastating I'm holding a.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Kid and they're so confused.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It happened one time at the country mart with like
an actor that was in Honey Current Okay, and he
was like.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh my gosh, it's just your mom, And I was like,
I'm sorry, are you talking to me? He's choking to me.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Honestly, I don't want to say anything despired about Tony Curran,
like amazingly talented arts.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But he also like left the and this is such
an insane story.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
What I'm trying to say is, but he thought I
was your mom and she was dead.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Of windows down like he had a high a car
and he like left all the windows down, and like Fried,
I don't even worry about that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Then we were and Frankie had heard herself. She'd heard
herself in the hotel room. Character her head opened, so
we had to go to the emergency room and Max
was working.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So Jess was with me and my family and the baby,
and so I went. I went with her to the
to the O HI E. R.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And the nurse said, why don't you hand the baby
to grandma? And I literally was turned around and I
was like, wait, no, where do you see.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Because people are very Margaret once and the man in
the antique store asked her if I was her mother,
have ended the friendship immediately, but it did not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I was so a lot of people also think I'm
just a mom, which is fine, but.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I think it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Wait, have you and I ever gotten into a huge
fighteror have you ever gotten into a huge fight with
my mom?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, we went the dog all of the arguments that
we have been about Hamlet.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I've never gotten into a huge because I never
had a wait, I'm not honest.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You are, but not with but Hamlet is like obviously.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Very let's speak unless if.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You want to speak about him, I'll put his picture
right here. I have seven dog that Max bought all forgot.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He bought it with such a spiel.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was like, okay, she got this dog. It had
three legs, It definitely had a hard life. It was
also rabbit and.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Just leaving the chat and numerous, numerous, numerous people. What's
the matter, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
No, she's just getting the picture.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Wait, what does it mean?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
What does it mean?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My fifty here does chat mean? We're in a bad
room with naked man? I don't know, I don't know
the name.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I just said, she's leaving the chat, and my thirteen
year old had like a meltdown.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What could it possibly be? Okay, so here's the dog.
Here's Hammy, the dog that my brother. Let's say my
brother did this dog.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
However, the dog lived here at my parents house numerous people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is going to be a new baby.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just want to tell you something I think said
many people have dogs with children.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He was violent, a scar from him.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, listen, this is I will not be.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
As you can see like you're actually experiencing the question
in real time. I just want to say really quickly,
before our first child, friends, this was born.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Max was like, I just don't understand how I'm going
to love my kid more than this dog. He obviously was.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Completely was like I was wrong, but like that was
the level.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Sure he figured it out because the dog lived here,
didn't even live.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How intense Max's relationship he was in an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Dog the dog was not around the dog, the dog
around anybody. And my mom is a full, full, full
enabler when it comes to Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And my dog her and let's not go into the
sibling rival.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Every every moment is unenabled in some way, not every mom.
And this is dying right now, like Ace can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I we're literally doing this over spring break. So
Ace is here and Matilda's here. Well, Manilda doesn't go
to school. She's three months old.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
She she'll go to school soon.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh, this is a good question. Can I put Handy's
picture down? I want it, get rid of it. Excuse me.
Literally a magnificent dog. No one thinks it's a magnificent job.
He's dead.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And second of all it bit numerous people except my
brother in law of the hospital. Brother in law to
the hospital could have been sued this had him gone.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Ham was doing his job, your brother down put it
down incorrect and leaving my door a job again, abusive.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Relationship is in like full really see this is a great.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Question, Ace that you need to leave the room microphone
because I knocked it over one night.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, you're fine, sprung to get a picture of Hamley Max.
I mean, Ace, you're gonna want to leave this room.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, She's gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
This go on even though Just is married to Zoe's brother.
Are you guys open about your sex lives?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I am, No, Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I don't think that any No, I think that Robin
Max would be really mind I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But the thing is is Just and I have like
a very very close friend.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We're also friends, and we also have multiple friends like
in common.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So obviously, like we talk about everything.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
It would be so insane to not talk about sex. Obviously,
She's like this is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, but all so I think, like it's really I
think when you have we're sister. I'm also super close
with Max, So I think that like it's very It
would be really hard for me if I didn't get
along with Max's wife. That would be like something I
would never want.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To be really careful and clear Enet, like you and
Max don't talk about your sex lives?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh my god? Like we we we we don't really either.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But like if you wanted to talk to me about it,
I would be able to Okay, no, wait.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Let okay, No.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The way that we talk about sex is like after
you've had a kid, right and like you get it okay,
which is like by the way your.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Sex life with jests always with both of you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Did you and Margaret ever talk about your sex lives
even though you weremerge the same.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
The first man? Yeah? Did you guys like compare notes
on Howard Whitesman. No, I did not. I most certainly
did not. But he was the best not sex actually necessarily,
but he was a wonderful guy. And so is Margaret.
(21:09):
She's a wonderful guy, wonderful lady. What was it like
meeting Phansie and marrying into this family? Okay, you were
looking for funds? Okay? Where is he? Where is he?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
No? Okay, so Henry knows this. I've never I'd never
seen Happy Days. I'd never seen it, because that's true.
I was born in nineteen eighty two. Like I hadn't
seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's why we have.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
What I did know Henry from was The water Boy
and click, you know, like every of a millennial on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's why you were looking for that tattoo on his bottom.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It's not true. It's not true anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
By the way, like one of the first times that
I met Henry or anybody meets Henry, he does the.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Magic tree from Clare. Yeah, he carries around the this
is your thing.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I was in a movie of Henry, so you know,
like I met him as an acta and so yeah,
like I was just kind.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of like, there's Ace, who my first grandson?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Okay, and how what are the crazies? O? No, what
about what are the craziest things about the Winkler family
that differ from your own family dynamic? Are you sure
this is nicety black?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
It is? It is just you know, like foy.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Because everyone's trying to save the world. Now like a SMA.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You're recovering this couch anyways, fabric that you're using behind you.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I really like it. Amanda didn't like it either.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
A Jamaica vibe.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
She's just survived, Like are you she in death? Like
let him cover the couch and like this is that it?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes? It is? Are you a time Island? I love it?
And there will be fish, there will be I do
not like that one bit. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm sorry you don't. It's fun. Where's it from French House?
It's from Clarence House.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Let's got like try Clarence on.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That Clarence House. Oh okay, well it literally and it's
like Baker's Bay and Jamaica. Well I love it and
Daddy loves it. But it matters, that's all. They don't.
You don't have to sit on it. I won't. Oh
I won't.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I don't really feel like a lot of people sit
on this couch anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
We always do. We always sit in this couch at dinner. Okay,
knocking this mic?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Wait, what was the question?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Sorry? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
What are some of the craziest things about the Winkler
family that differ from your own family dynamic? I have
a feeling that the twenty minutes we filmed so far
are really clear indicator on you.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing you got to remember, Like,
fuck it, my dad was literally a stripper, Like who.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know this?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yes, I want to say this, like you're not really
announcing that now, I want to say it with pride. Okay,
so what is he proud of it? You're not in
on the phone. My dad is should do a thing
with him. You guys should do a stripper together. You
and Jessic's deck t be fine? Oh yeah, Gail would
(24:38):
would better than me.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Gail undercidedly, I just want to say, like, because this
is like a real you know, sex workers are having
a real moments. Let's like, you know, keep it current,
let's break the algorithm. Okay, hashtag sex workers. My dad
is a stripper around Christmas time to get gifts for us,
Like you know, he needed we needed extra money.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So did my dad. This is actually, actually.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
This is there's a lot of similarity.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
We never shared this, but so is dad stripper to
get us gifts. He did give me that give me
the bunny. He stripped it time.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Playing a stripper right now?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, he did on Broadway and no, like minute movie
right now? Please on a show he did a.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Guest starring thing and they said they would prefer him
to be unclosed.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Shame shame, No, no, no, the movie was sexy. Ready's
not a stripper. He's Owen Wilson's boss.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Why is he dressed like a stripper?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, he's wearing a bathrobe with nothing under it.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There is so many similarities between our family, Like, honestly,
obviously there's obvious things like you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
On TV, But the rest of it is just.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, is there anything crazy?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, but by the way we're asking Jessica, we're
asking jess about the craziness of our family. Everyone, Yes,
that can be also not like doesn't tread on normal exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Know what I'm saying, just is like, there's a reason
she fits into this family because she's mentally ill and insane.
I am so tired hearing you refer to this family
is dysfunctional. Oh really, yes, okay, I would say we
are the most functional dysfunctional family. I would say we
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love each other so much. Yeah, I don't think it's bad,
like I think it's a nowhere but then let's call
it something.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
What would you come up with? Just a loving family?
We are loving, but we posed to it all were.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Very like oh wait, how are Oh, so I got
to be in the room with Jess for the birth
of her babies.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, actually the second one I didn't even make it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah, but no, we chose not to because it was
like a very kind of like stressful time.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Stacy was literally like two years above.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Stacey, you were in the hospital as well.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, so Zoe was literally at the hospital twenty like
twenty hours a day, so like she didn't need to
come back for the full twenty four I wanted to
be there, but.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I slept fully dressed in a bra so that I
could be there.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
No, you said that you only slept in the bra,
as if the bra was the thing that was going
to take the most at times.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Upon I just slept like so I could just literally
just like you slept dressed. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I fully was I was in the I was in
the room for I was in the room for Frankie's birth. Yeah,
And we got a lot of questions about that, like
why was I in the room?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Did it make you feel better? You feel more stressed?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Will?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
We used to say, they asked me, just just like
going the.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Same medical care, we have the same therapist, we have
the same in colleges shot out.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Doctor Sutton, who just retired, was just so annoyed he.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Retired from Doctor Curtin retired.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But doctor, I'm gonna breath still very much work.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
If I have a third child, I'm going to bribe
him to deliver it. I'm just gonna I'll just pay
him off in some way.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I love that for you, right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So they asked me to be in the room because
I've had three kids and they just a mom wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, so hello, I wanted a younger COVID though cod
I was at the hospital when Amanda gave birth to India.
You were in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You got liked by the security.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh yeah, you came to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You and you came to the hospital day of the
birth of breaking failure and you guys were both his
systerical crying and it was COVID and they wouldn't let
you up, and you could not.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Believe I couldn't believe it. Dad didn't work.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I feel like he did.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's why I told them to come and then you
facetimed us hysterical.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Then he left to deliver into a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I will tell you that having dad be dad while
you were in the hospital was a huge win for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It really like helped us out. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I changed my last name. Yeah, I'm trying to go
it alone. I'm trying to build my own legend.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You're doing it, You're killing it. I'm trying. You haven't
changed you.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
One day you're going to be changing your name to my.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Name for the screen. Yeah, for everything. Mom.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What is it felt like for you to see your
children like start their own families?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What does it felt like to see your kids all
three kids? It is extraordinary, to be very honest, what
I really wanted was if there were, like you know,
in my fantasy world and my wish list. I wanted
to have a second try talking about you guys. First,
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you want to have another case because I wanted to
be more patient and more pressed all do with Darrence.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
However, by the way, I remember when you came to
a We talked about this, I think on one of
the podcasts at the beginning, but we didn't have any listeners,
so we'll just tell it again. I remember when you
came to a Halloween parade for the kids and you
were crying at the end, and I said, why are
you crying, and you said, I just wish that that
was you and I could do it again and do
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it over. But I just want to say that you
were and are an incredible mom and we all, I mean,
I have those moments. I'm sure you have those moments
where you wish you could.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, your kids are still really young.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
But that being said, oh, I wish I could change
the whole way that I like Feta shouldn't any.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Food but my grandchildren and to see my children as parents.
It is hard to believe my eldest grandchild, India, is
talking about where she wants to go to college. Then
is Lulu? Then Ace, who was my first grandson? Oh
(31:19):
so then was okay?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Good on the history.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So here it is, I love my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You're older than Lulu Ace. That's not true by three years.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That's not true at all. It is Lulu is not okay,
well it doesn't matter, right, okay, only ten? No, she
is great, I mean twelve, I think. Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Lulu's twenty one.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We have seven grandchildren, and it is the most wonderful
thing because also also the fact is that if we
say I want shop, I want literally she just do
(32:18):
if you want to, don't ask me. Having a family great? Great.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Do you feel like Jess and Rob fit into the
family dynamic better than you could have imagined?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
An Amanda? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I think they are all wonderful.
Why do you guys think Rob is the perfect match
for me?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Because he's the complete opposite do every single.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Because Rob is a solid citizen. He is good as
the day is long. He's kind, he's gentle.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you could.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Describe the Winkler family in one word, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
God, I'm sorry, is that annoying? It would be good?
Questions from her fans? Okay, fans, so are you good?
If I can describe the family shame mom day.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
If I could describe the Wing family in one word,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Keep saving it to me as well.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Okay, the word would.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Just be oh my god, but like the one word,
just like oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Okay, good one. How do you think our parenting differs?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I don't think it does.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Oh yeah, you'll tie pay on type.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, I mean, but the real things, like the real
like meat of the situation is the same. Yeah, I agree,
you're such a I like, do you don't care about
germs like in any way, like I don't change the
baby on the floor without like a blanket.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We went to unless it's too hard the floor.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
We went to Universal Studios last week and I was
like literally letting Matilda have Tommy time, like on the
floor of like the Dino play area, because I was like,
she's just been in the stroller all day, and you
know she needs to get her neck up.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So I just put her on the floor.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The difference between me and you is that I would
never even be able to take the child or would never.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
To the Universal Studios and on my own, like with
just both and like I didn't I went to college.
You have like a three month old. I wouldn't even
Like I don't think it was a.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Disaster in all, honestly, like it was a disaster, Like I.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I really admire that about you though You're very like
capable but also like confident in in whatever it is
that you do.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And I think that that's honestly you just tothering instantly.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I really try.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I try.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
How I make so many mistakes with that, Like I
mean when we had Francis, like we had to because
our job is to travel.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And go to different places that you've never been to before.
So I just had to.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Become immediately comfortable. Basically just failing all the time.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
In public with people staring you, like why did you bring.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Your kid here?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Like what your kid is crying and I'm like, I'm
never gonna see you again. I don't care. I like
can't stay in the house.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Me and Marks have the same thing, Like we can't
stay in the house, right, and just like I can't
do Oh, there's no schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I can't do schedules. It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Okay, So he is very scheduling, very when you have
young children, and your children did really well, yeah, and
Frankie and Matilda will do really Yeah. Everyone's different. You
just have to do what works for you.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I mean, I am so anxious that the only way
like having a schedule and like and consistency is helps
my anxiety.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So that's why I do it. I don't think it's
like the best way to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I often watched you know, my kids are older thirteen,
nine and seven, and I watched Jess's parents. I watched
Jess parent and I'm so envious, like of that time,
and I wish that I could have been more like her,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I just like, it's just like simply not in my mind.
Always you'll always look bones.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You're always looking at whatever people do and you're like, oh,
I should have done that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Like my oldest kid is only three and a half,
and I still look at people.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I'm like, uh.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But it's also because they're constantly come up with like
new ways of doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, like the baby led weeding stuff, I'm like, I
should have done that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
With Francis, They're just always nude studies all the time, right,
and then you find out that it actually was meant.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
To kill them at some point, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And I just mean, like, you're very My therapist told
me that, she was like, you'll always be like I
should have done this and I should have not.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
She be like that too, she was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
When Max first started dating.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Jess one time, came over to our house and like
had a full meltdown on the floor of my kitchen.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You oh, And I was like, I think you should
see a therapist.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And you had told me that you and Max were
like just friends at the time, So I gave her
my therapist who she now Max.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Probably said it was just because he was like, if
she's crazy, we're just friends.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
No, no, you guys didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You guys both told me like you guys were just like, no,
we're good friends. This was like the second time we messed,
and so I was like, oh, okay, like you should
see my therapist. So now we both see the same therapist.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But honestly, it saved so much time.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I know, I love her so much, And isn't she
so great? Doctor Freed?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
She's really great, very strong.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
She was actually Rob's therapist. First I stole her from Rock.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And then we said that like oh and then like
you did sessions of like your mom and dad with her,
and the only person that she had a met was Marx.
And then she obviously met Marx like because we did
like couples therapy together with her sometimes. And I was like,
now she's just gonna like disappear and finish because she's
like met everybody, and she's just like, God, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
What means so much to me is that our family
is so close, and so I love the relationship that
our kids have.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like that just means the world. That is important.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Even yesterday Jules was at sports camp, but Ace and
Gus went to the Kids Base Museum with Matilda Frankie
if you want to, like.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
We can maybe go there.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
In the podcast one day, Yeah, Frankie is obsessed with
all the all of her cousins, like obsessed with them.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Ace in particular, like genuinely is like really gifted with kids.
Yeah really yeah, I mean a calling in life is
like the cooking, like the carrot. His like gift is
like is acts of service people, you.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Know, like where she would do more acts of service
for me.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He may do a beef well into it.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm just kidding you. Do he need to cook?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
He made everything himself. The other night Ace told me, Oh,
we talked about this actually on the on the podcast
last week. He was we were going to the market
and we got all the stuff for beef Wellington and
he cooked it and he cooked it perfectly, and he
made mashed potatoes and a red wine reduction sauce. And
nobody on my Instagram believed that a thirteen year old
(39:39):
child cooked this. Not only did he cook it, I
did not help at all because I could never and I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A great million years I would never be able to
make a beef.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He made crepes bite bite by from scratch. I was.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I was just like, you need to make it beef.
Well into it. I'd be like, peace out, you never
see me again, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I like, I've never in my life. He made the
every bit of it. He I am so impressed. It
was unbelievable. It really was really impressive. But one time
when Ace came he Ace was hungry and Papa was hungry,
and they went into the pantry and Ace took.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Out a.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Long expired box of ramen and then improvised and made
the best noodle thing ever. Was really good. Sorry, was
that too long? I'm sorry I did. I didn't want
to ingredient. Yeah, I mean I want to go through it.
(40:40):
And actually, when when lived here, she would place all
the food that was expired like a jam.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I think I did that when I was We all
lived here, we've all lived here like while we've been
working on our houses.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Or literal mold in the fridge.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Ricky's trying to killy one.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Ricky. It's everything goes to Ricky to.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Kill you, try to kill you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No, eat this mold. It's good for you.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Antioxidants yeah. Well look, I mean, you fucking beat everything.
You're a warrior. So maybe the mold is going into
the mold. Maybe it's going well for you. It's going well.
Now sure?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Is is there anything else you'd like to talk about?
You're fine, You're fine now you are not?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Go on? Is the Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm excited for our trip at Christmas. We're all going
to go away to Hawaiian Christmas and I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Last year, but the arrival of Matilda like really rained
on that.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But we wouldn't have been able to go anyways because
Mom spent Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
We said that we would have lost so much money.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Daddy would have stripped to make it back. Is your
situation similar to nobody wants this?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Wait, you guys are Jewish?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I know you're not.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You guys are Jewish.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
I'm you don't know any Jewish people like, I'm so shocked.
Is our situation similar to nobody wants this? No, because
Max is the opposite of a rabbi like Max like
could not be less engaged in Judaism.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Let's be real. I wanted to convert.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I was ready to convert, and then Rabbi Chasen, I
love the guy but you know, he really he obviously
was like I'm gonna get to Max through her. So
we went to meet him and he was like, you've
gotta go to school. And I was like, huh, Like
everyone else, everybody, the majority of Max's friends, like okay,
this is why nobody wants this obviously. I mean there's
(42:58):
a lot of reasons why it was a good show.
But a lot of these guys married like non Jewish women, okay,
and they all went and they just did the mike
for straight away, like they were just like okay, dun't
them No, yes, yes they were. They were like, okay,
get him in, take a clothes off, getting your Jewish carats. Meanwhile,
Rabbi chas And was like, okay, you're gonna do school
(43:20):
for a year.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And I was like, I mean, have you seen sex
in the city when Charlotte, Like I'm not Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Let's be real, like I'm not Charlotte, never have been,
You're not a Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
And he was like he wanted us to. And I
did go to some of the lessons and like, honestly,
I loved it, but I can't do that every Monday
night at nine pm, Like I can't like we went
to Hungry you know, different time zones. I was filming
and then I was pregnant, Like I probably should have
(43:52):
done it when I was probably should have done it
when I was pregnant, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And then it's like you can't like go in the
water for a while.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Have more kids? Do Yeah, let me do you want
to have.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I would have three. If we become rich, I'll have full. Okay, great,
if we become poor, I'll have full. It's poor or rich,
you have full.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
It is though like two and three and one is
just like middle of the road, like middle class, like
the more money less when you have you just like
keep my kids just like.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
So yeah, it would be great to have four kids,
hopefully because we become rich.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
So is our life like nobody wants this, No, because
Rabbi Chasen won't let me converge. No, he will.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You just have to do the conversion, like you have
to go.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
To everybody else.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yeah, well I provided two kids. I've given this two kids, Like, well,
I've given two children.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Let's go back to Rabbi Chase and let's discuss again.
I'm obsessed with him. His wife was at the last night,
you guys, I got an award because not only do
I do this podcast, not only do I raise three children,
but I have a nonprofit. And last night we were
recognized and we got a humanitarian award and my mom
was there and I got to meet Doug m Hoff,
(45:11):
which exciting, and I ran off a teleprompter for the
first time.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
And it doesn't dog just like Live On So no
he live, No, it's not North okay.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
And I was very excited to meet him. And I
was very excited for an organization. It was a really amazing,
amazing night. But why did we bring that up.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Because we were talking about Robbi chasing and wife was there,
his wife.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
When I was a aces bombitz fah, what I was
thinking was like, what if you want to be a
rabbi but you're not.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
You're actually terrible at singing.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
No, no, no, that's that's not that's the camp.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
But still the rabbi sings a little bit.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
I think as if you're like real a rabbi, I
do not have a musical bone in my body.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Please write in, all rabbis, please write in and tell
us what happens if you want to be a rabbi
sing right, that's the cant and the cantor is the singer.
But he was still and he is a guitar and
I love him.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, that's just like something that he does.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Not every rabbit very strong and soothing. And I can't
believe that this is devolved into an homage to Rabbi Chasing.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
All I do the lessons, I look, I really do.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
But I think what my my thing was was like
I'm actually like very active, okay, like I go to school,
like I'm going to go to Frankie school passover, Like
I'm very involved in I am the only person in
our house that is involved in it, like Marx is
not like I organized the school passover.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I just wish that Rabbi Chasing would see that. I
just wish that you would recognize that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
That's let's send this to him. Let's let's let's make
a plea and say, can you can you fast track
justin to the Jewish.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
The truth is is that anybody can be Jewish. You know,
you don't have to do the schooling, and you don't
you know, it's really.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
About you, it's your heart. We also celebrate Christmas in
this house not very well. What what do you mean?
You know what a beautiful tree.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It's not about that, it's about the meal. And like
Ricky the meal Ricky made me. The meal wasn't grave,
but it's like Ricky.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Made me for my family for twenty something years. He's
a king. We are obsessed with him. He's like family
at this point. And he cooks for my parents. My
mom doesn't like when I say that, but he does.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
People that you cook.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
He just makes a series of soups for Henry. You
want to make the soup for Henry every night.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
But that's soup. Now. If he's on a weight last journey.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Like a light soup on a night, I would like chicken,
very moist with ricotta.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Cheese, Racota raccota cheese. Please come to our house for dinner,
Ricotta cheese, pink pasta. We're going to have the Farmers
over for dinner. Yes, check for the date night. It's yeah,
what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
No? Last week my mom and I entered viewed Farmer
once a Wife. The two guys from it, they were
so cute and they called my mom and icon and
they want to come over for dinner.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They were adore.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
So they single and like they need to be hooked
up with.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You don't know how they're single. They might have met
their match, but they won't tell us yet. You have
to watch the show. It's actually so good, it's so fun.
It you can watch on Hulu. Okay, well this has
been great fun. Oh my god, lunch.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
All right, Okay, thank you so much for listening to
episode of What in the Winkler. You can listen to
us wherever you listen to your podcasts. We love iHeartRadio.
That is where our podcast is, but you can listen
to it anywhere.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Peace and love, bye bye, Thank you, Jess, Thanks Jess,
love you, thank you. Hopefully you'll
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Today we have a really special guest. I feel like
I say that every time, but this is more special.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, this is the special, most special, the most special.
Jessica Barden is an English actress. She began her career
as a child actress. She is best known for her
role as Alyssa Foley in the comedy drama End of
the Fucking World. She received a British Independent Film Award
nomination for her performance in Scarborough. She's also staring in
(00:37):
the new TV series Dune.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
She's also been and she's got the best reviews of
anyone in.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Jail my good and is married to my brother Max Winkler.
They've been married since March twenty twenty one. They have
two children together and we love her. Welcome to the podcast,
my sister in law, jess Barden.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Wow, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Should I go over all your other roles they're all
listed here in my notes?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, okay, well we could if we want so.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We have heard your requests to have jess on the show,
and we're so excited she's here.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And actually, before we start, before we even like started
a week ago, I think Jess put on her Instagram
if there were any questions that her fan base would
like answered.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
On what way? Sure it is?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And she got hundreds and hundreds of questions that they
would like to answered.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So should we answer some of them? Should we start there?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, let's start that, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So well, the first question is.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I haven't seen any of these questions, by the way, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
She sent me all the screen Actually, she sent our
producer Mattie all the screenshots and there were hundreds. So
we're gonna ask and you're gonna answer, and we're all
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Really, really honest. Okay, Oh no, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, the first question that was very is there going
to be a third season of the End of the
fucking World?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is there going to be a third season of the
End of the fucking World? Well, okay, I would love
there to be a third season of the End of
the fucking World.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So I'm gonna manifest it and I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, ok I'm yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
So we'll make the third season of the End of the.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Fucking world, and can we be in it? Can my
mom and I be in it? Sure?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Why not? Let's do it?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay? What were.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Your first impressions of my mom and I?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Okay, okay, No, I didn't ever in a million years.
My first impression of Zoe was that she was exactly
the same as me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I have two brothers as well, So I remember.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The first time that I really met you was Max's
birthday and we were making that pasta dish that he
just continued to make, like over and over again, and he.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Went through a major what was it lemon pasta?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And it was a lemon pasta.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So much he was like an insane cook. He he
had a cooking moment. He's a good cook. He is
a good cook, but he makes the biggest.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Mass human beyond like and he won't.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Let anyone help. Okay, go on.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But there was too much in it, and there was
what was it what was the herb that was in it?
It wasn't cilantro parsonally like insane amounts of parsley like.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It was the most anti social meala ever.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Anyway, So we came over and we were making that
pasta and the way that you were speaking to Marx
was just like everything about it was exactly the way
that I am with my family, and I was like, ohly,
this is so interesting, Like I can't really see myself
like fitting in here. But I didn't want to be
presumptuous of our relationship. Cut to a year later, I
think I was like pregnant. My first impression of Stacy was.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Honestly, I mean, the thing is the truth.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I thought that you were like one of the most
incredible people I've ever met.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
My wife, everybody for you know, you know what, I
just want to interrupt the ritz. That's bullshit. Anyone that
my sons love, I love, that's just a given. I
have two incredible daughter and loves and I would say
(04:33):
I am the luckiest person in the world. And that's
the truth. Sometimes you're nicer to your daughter in laws
than you're Oh yes, we know you feel that way.
So it keeps a running town that I've saved ju life.
You're much nicer to me. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I just remember another thing about the first time that
I met Henry and Stacy.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
There was an earthquake.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh there was, it was fourth of July. We forgotten
about your first impression of me. Oh yeah, you guys
were the most incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You were incredible. You guys were so nice to meet.
You wanted me to stay over.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You like made you like made the spare bedroom up
for me. We went to Toscana. It was fourth of
July weekend. We went to Toscana. But me and Max were
like just friends.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right, were the pandemic?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It was, No, we were just no one ever believes
as far as friends.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, we I'm being so serious.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Okay, we honestly were still friends because that's the only
reason that he married me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Because friends.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Wait, should we start? Actually, how did you guys meet?
That's a great question. That was one that came up
a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, y, how you met? The way that we first
ta as old as time?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It was actually this is I tell the story a
lot for people.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Was the star of his movie.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No, we met each other before then. I tell the
story a lot to people. It is like a remind
of how like you meet people at the right time,
and you know when people like when am I going
to find the right person? Like when am I going
to be in a relationship? So me and Max, like
Max first saw me in a movie when I was
like fifteen.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, but let's not even go there.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Okay. So he first saw.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Me in a movie when I was fifteen.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
He was like, what twenty four, twenty five, and he
was like, he tells a story and he was like wow.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Like want to meet this girl, like want to work
with her? Okay, all about the movie. There was a
movie called Hannah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh it's in my notes hammer a movie called Hannah.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And then he would like try and audition me for
movies and I've never got the part, Like he didn't
give me the job. He auditioned me for his movie
Flower when I was like twenty one, and we I
don't know if I've told you guys story.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was twenty one and I'm scared.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
We like facetimed, and I was making a movie called
Far from the Mad in Crowd with Thomas Vinsberg, Oscar
winning director, Like this was a huge movie. This is
when everybody was like gonna be a movie star, like
before the industry change and everyone was like I'm gonna
be a TV star okay anyway, and I was like
I can't do this audition for you right now because
(07:09):
I was like improvising in like Victorian times, which was
extremely hard. Didn't mean anything to Marx, clearly an American director.
He was like, I don't have time to wait for this, like,
and he, you know, gave the role to somebody else
who was amazing in it, like Zoe Deutsch is like
the right person for.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
A movie Flower.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, but I was like, that guy was so arrogant.
So then my first impression of Marx was like, what
an arrogant person? Okay, So then when he wanted to
audition me for jungle Land three years later, I was like, guys, like,
I don't know, Like I literally was like to my team, like,
I don't know, Like I found that guy like kind
of arrogant last time. Like I was like, I don't
(07:51):
know if I'm he's really gonna be somebody that I
want to work with. Anyway, he gave me the role
and then we became really good for.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It seemed to work out for you, but we both.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Were in different relationships. We both still have really good
relationships with these people now, so we truly, you know,
we were friends on this movie. And then I came
to Los Angeles in the summer of twenty nineteen to
make a movie with Kelly.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oxford and we were in that movie.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, oh yeah, Henry was in that movie. And then
we went on like lunch dates and then we realized
that we were both single. And then it was fourth
of July weekend and there was earthquakes all the time,
and then we just started like dating each other and
we lived together in September.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Because you guys lived together quickly.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Because yeah, but we seem to have escaped over this.
The first time that we went out on like a
date with Henry and Stacey, she like made up the
spare bedroom for me and was like she was trying
to like.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Force me to stay away Shane her Chane.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
She was like, why don't you stay over? Stay the night.
She wanted me to sleep in the spare room.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wait, did you plan on staying in the US prior
to meeting Max?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
In all honesty, yes, because at that point in my
life I was really I mean, look, I was twenty.
I would just turn wait, how old is I twenty
six twenty seven when I was like dating Marks. So
like the joke with me and my friends is like
I was like gonna do everything like for myself, and
I wanted to stay here. I'd worked like really solidly
(09:27):
for like two years of our breaks. I wanted to
stay in la and t hate time off, and then
I ended up like being with Max and we just
never like left each other. He moved into his house,
we moved it. You helped him move in, and he
was like, I don't want to stay here alone because
there was no TVs in the house yet, So I
stayed in the house.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Woman just never.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Left, never left, And you've made like I think the
never paid when.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think you've made the best.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I never really contry fire, she said, any keeper of the house.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Remember that you didn't know how to drive.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I didn't know how to drive.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, she just learned how to drive last year.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No I didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I learned how in the hills.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh yeah, yeah I would.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
She was like, she was like a prisoner. There a question.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We got a lot, but I don't even want to
like answer. This question was do you ever talk about
leaving and going back to London?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
No, yes, we have done. Of course we have done.
This is an important thing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We're of the first people in the world that are
from different countries.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know, I'll have like a soul.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, we probably will be, no matter how many times
we obviously don't want to live here anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Like I don't want to make it political, like iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I don't really know where you guys stand with that,
but I'm just gonna say, like for us, you know,
we obviously we're not big fans of the Apprentice.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Let's just say that.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
So obviously like we don't want to live here anymore.
But Stacey and Zoe would probably throw themselves.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Down and bring everybody and the family would have to come.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
They would throw themselves down, which would probably really fun.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes, the girls you could act. Lulu could dance. It
would be wondering.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Lulu can dance, Gus can dance.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yes, and everyone Jewls can do whatever Jewels does. If
they're baseball, India can probably end up being private serve
the country.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
There's not baseball in England is called rounders.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh and soccer, so of course everyone would be perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
What would you do in England?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I would stay in my bed as I do here.
She would keep living her life. I'd keep living my life. No,
I they do have lovely shops, yeah, and great bookstores.
And you just.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Went to London this past summer. She met all my family.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I met all her family. That's a question.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Does does your family get along with our family? And
you your mom has come out and visit. Were obsessed
with her. I've never met your brothers, but we follow
each other on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I've met she's met.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Okay, this is another family. You met my nan and
you met my grandma and granddad. You met my step mom.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
This is like Gail. I didn't say step mom like that.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I just meant like, this is like a good again,
another amazing story that I tell people. You know, because
like when you first start dating people, you when you
feel it getting serious, you get like anxious because you're like,
oh my god, like people are going to meet my family?
You do if you have my family and their family
because they're eccentric, so you're like the people going to think.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
They fully centric. They fully I'm not.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
They fully just hung out with each other without me,
like I couldn't control the situation, and I was just like,
well just breathing, breathe out.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And it worked. Yeah, you had a really good time,
and so did. We had a great time. And I
love wonderful. I love your mom. I love your mom too,
And you know who loves your your mom is my kids.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, I mean she I mean, you know what, she's
really she's a really good mom when we.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Every single, and she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I try and recreate a lot of things that my
mom did for us when we were kids. Really like
that is basically my age that was she's a she's
actually the same age as Jet.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And yes, that's a problem Jesse's.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But I am younger than Max. I'm ten years younger
than him.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm the age of Jesse's grandmother. Well that's okay because we.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Multiple people have asked me when we're out together if
i'm her mother.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's just because we look the same and I'm holding
a kid.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's devastating I'm holding a.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Kid and they're so confused.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It happened one time at the country mart with like
an actor that was in Honey Current Okay, and he
was like.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh my gosh, it's just your mom, And I was like,
I'm sorry, are you talking to me? He's choking to me.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Honestly, I don't want to say anything despired about Tony Curran,
like amazingly talented arts.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But he also like left the and this is such
an insane story.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
What I'm trying to say is, but he thought I
was your mom and she was dead.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Of windows down like he had a high a car
and he like left all the windows down, and like Fried,
I don't even worry about that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Then we were and Frankie had heard herself. She'd heard
herself in the hotel room. Character her head opened, so
we had to go to the emergency room and Max
was working.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So Jess was with me and my family and the baby,
and so I went. I went with her to the
to the O HI E. R.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And the nurse said, why don't you hand the baby
to grandma? And I literally was turned around and I
was like, wait, no, where do you see.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Because people are very Margaret once and the man in
the antique store asked her if I was her mother,
have ended the friendship immediately, but it did not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I was so a lot of people also think I'm
just a mom, which is fine, but.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I think it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Wait, have you and I ever gotten into a huge
fighteror have you ever gotten into a huge fight with
my mom?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, we went the dog all of the arguments that
we have been about Hamlet.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I've never gotten into a huge because I never
had a wait, I'm not honest.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You are, but not with but Hamlet is like obviously.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Very let's speak unless if.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You want to speak about him, I'll put his picture
right here. I have seven dog that Max bought all forgot.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He bought it with such a spiel.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It was like, okay, she got this dog. It had
three legs, It definitely had a hard life. It was
also rabbit and.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Just leaving the chat and numerous, numerous, numerous people. What's
the matter, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
No, she's just getting the picture.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Wait, what does it mean?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
What does it mean?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
My fifty here does chat mean? We're in a bad
room with naked man? I don't know, I don't know
the name.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I just said, she's leaving the chat, and my thirteen
year old had like a meltdown.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What could it possibly be? Okay, so here's the dog.
Here's Hammy, the dog that my brother. Let's say my
brother did this dog.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
However, the dog lived here at my parents house numerous people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is going to be a new baby.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just want to tell you something I think said
many people have dogs with children.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He was violent, a scar from him.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, listen, this is I will not be.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
As you can see like you're actually experiencing the question
in real time. I just want to say really quickly,
before our first child, friends, this was born.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Max was like, I just don't understand how I'm going
to love my kid more than this dog. He obviously was.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Completely was like I was wrong, but like that was
the level.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Sure he figured it out because the dog lived here,
didn't even live.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How intense Max's relationship he was in an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Dog the dog was not around the dog, the dog
around anybody. And my mom is a full, full, full
enabler when it comes to Maxwell.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And my dog her and let's not go into the
sibling rival.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Every every moment is unenabled in some way, not every mom.
And this is dying right now, like Ace can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I we're literally doing this over spring break. So
Ace is here and Matilda's here. Well, Manilda doesn't go
to school. She's three months old.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
She she'll go to school soon.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh, this is a good question. Can I put Handy's
picture down? I want it, get rid of it. Excuse me.
Literally a magnificent dog. No one thinks it's a magnificent job.
He's dead.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And second of all it bit numerous people except my
brother in law of the hospital. Brother in law to
the hospital could have been sued this had him gone.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Ham was doing his job, your brother down put it
down incorrect and leaving my door a job again, abusive.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Relationship is in like full really see this is a great.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Question, Ace that you need to leave the room microphone
because I knocked it over one night.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, you're fine, sprung to get a picture of Hamley Max.
I mean, Ace, you're gonna want to leave this room.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, She's gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
This go on even though Just is married to Zoe's brother.
Are you guys open about your sex lives?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I am, No, Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I don't think that any No, I think that Robin
Max would be really mind I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But the thing is is Just and I have like
a very very close friend.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
We're also friends, and we also have multiple friends like
in common.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So obviously, like we talk about everything.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
It would be so insane to not talk about sex. Obviously,
She's like this is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, but all so I think, like it's really I
think when you have we're sister. I'm also super close
with Max, So I think that like it's very It
would be really hard for me if I didn't get
along with Max's wife. That would be like something I
would never want.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
To be really careful and clear Enet, like you and
Max don't talk about your sex lives?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh my god? Like we we we we don't really either.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But like if you wanted to talk to me about it,
I would be able to Okay, no, wait.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Let okay, No.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
The way that we talk about sex is like after
you've had a kid, right and like you get it okay,
which is like by the way your.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Sex life with jests always with both of you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Did you and Margaret ever talk about your sex lives
even though you weremerge the same.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
The first man? Yeah? Did you guys like compare notes
on Howard Whitesman. No, I did not. I most certainly
did not. But he was the best not sex actually necessarily,
but he was a wonderful guy. And so is Margaret.
(21:09):
She's a wonderful guy, wonderful lady. What was it like
meeting Phansie and marrying into this family? Okay, you were
looking for funds? Okay? Where is he? Where is he?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
No? Okay, so Henry knows this. I've never I'd never
seen Happy Days. I'd never seen it, because that's true.
I was born in nineteen eighty two. Like I hadn't
seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's why we have.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
What I did know Henry from was The water Boy
and click, you know, like every of a millennial on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's why you were looking for that tattoo on his bottom.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It's not true. It's not true anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
By the way, like one of the first times that
I met Henry or anybody meets Henry, he does the.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Magic tree from Clare. Yeah, he carries around the this
is your thing.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I was in a movie of Henry, so you know,
like I met him as an acta and so yeah,
like I was just kind.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of like, there's Ace, who my first grandson?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Okay, and how what are the crazies? O? No, what
about what are the craziest things about the Winkler family
that differ from your own family dynamic? Are you sure
this is nicety black?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
It is? It is just you know, like foy.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Because everyone's trying to save the world. Now like a SMA.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You're recovering this couch anyways, fabric that you're using behind you.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I really like it. Amanda didn't like it either.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
A Jamaica vibe.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
She's just survived, Like are you she in death? Like
let him cover the couch and like this is that it?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes? It is? Are you a time Island? I love it?
And there will be fish, there will be I do
not like that one bit. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm sorry you don't. It's fun. Where's it from French House?
It's from Clarence House.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Let's got like try Clarence on.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That Clarence House. Oh okay, well it literally and it's
like Baker's Bay and Jamaica. Well I love it and
Daddy loves it. But it matters, that's all. They don't.
You don't have to sit on it. I won't. Oh
I won't.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I don't really feel like a lot of people sit
on this couch anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
We always do. We always sit in this couch at dinner. Okay,
knocking this mic?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Wait, what was the question?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Sorry? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
What are some of the craziest things about the Winkler
family that differ from your own family dynamic? I have
a feeling that the twenty minutes we filmed so far
are really clear indicator on you.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing you got to remember, Like,
fuck it, my dad was literally a stripper, Like who.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
You know this?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yes, I want to say this, like you're not really
announcing that now, I want to say it with pride. Okay,
so what is he proud of it? You're not in
on the phone. My dad is should do a thing
with him. You guys should do a stripper together. You
and Jessic's deck t be fine? Oh yeah, Gail would
(24:38):
would better than me.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Gail undercidedly, I just want to say, like, because this
is like a real you know, sex workers are having
a real moments. Let's like, you know, keep it current,
let's break the algorithm. Okay, hashtag sex workers. My dad
is a stripper around Christmas time to get gifts for us,
Like you know, he needed we needed extra money.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
So did my dad. This is actually, actually.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
This is there's a lot of similarity.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
We never shared this, but so is dad stripper to
get us gifts. He did give me that give me
the bunny. He stripped it time.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Playing a stripper right now?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, he did on Broadway and no, like minute movie
right now? Please on a show he did a.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Guest starring thing and they said they would prefer him
to be unclosed.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Shame shame, No, no, no, the movie was sexy. Ready's
not a stripper. He's Owen Wilson's boss.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Why is he dressed like a stripper?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, he's wearing a bathrobe with nothing under it.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There is so many similarities between our family, Like, honestly,
obviously there's obvious things like you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
On TV, But the rest of it is just.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, is there anything crazy?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, but by the way we're asking Jessica, we're
asking jess about the craziness of our family. Everyone, Yes,
that can be also not like doesn't tread on normal exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Know what I'm saying, just is like, there's a reason
she fits into this family because she's mentally ill and insane.
I am so tired hearing you refer to this family
is dysfunctional. Oh really, yes, okay, I would say we
are the most functional dysfunctional family. I would say we
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love each other so much. Yeah, I don't think it's bad,
like I think it's a nowhere but then let's call
it something.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
What would you come up with? Just a loving family?
We are loving, but we posed to it all were.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Very like oh wait, how are Oh, so I got
to be in the room with Jess for the birth
of her babies.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, actually the second one I didn't even make it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah, but no, we chose not to because it was
like a very kind of like stressful time.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Stacy was literally like two years above.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Stacey, you were in the hospital as well.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, so Zoe was literally at the hospital twenty like
twenty hours a day, so like she didn't need to
come back for the full twenty four I wanted to
be there, but.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I slept fully dressed in a bra so that I
could be there.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
No, you said that you only slept in the bra,
as if the bra was the thing that was going
to take the most at times.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Upon I just slept like so I could just literally
just like you slept dressed. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I fully was I was in the I was in
the room for I was in the room for Frankie's birth. Yeah,
And we got a lot of questions about that, like
why was I in the room?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Did it make you feel better? You feel more stressed?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Will?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
We used to say, they asked me, just just like
going the.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Same medical care, we have the same therapist, we have
the same in colleges shot out.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Doctor Sutton, who just retired, was just so annoyed he.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Retired from Doctor Curtin retired.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But doctor, I'm gonna breath still very much work.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
If I have a third child, I'm going to bribe
him to deliver it. I'm just gonna I'll just pay
him off in some way.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I love that for you, right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So they asked me to be in the room because
I've had three kids and they just a mom wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, so hello, I wanted a younger COVID though cod
I was at the hospital when Amanda gave birth to India.
You were in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You got liked by the security.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh yeah, you came to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You and you came to the hospital day of the
birth of breaking failure and you guys were both his
systerical crying and it was COVID and they wouldn't let
you up, and you could not.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Believe I couldn't believe it. Dad didn't work.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I feel like he did.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's why I told them to come and then you
facetimed us hysterical.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Then he left to deliver into a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I will tell you that having dad be dad while
you were in the hospital was a huge win for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It really like helped us out. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I changed my last name. Yeah, I'm trying to go
it alone. I'm trying to build my own legend.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You're doing it, You're killing it. I'm trying. You haven't
changed you.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
One day you're going to be changing your name to my.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Name for the screen. Yeah, for everything. Mom.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What is it felt like for you to see your
children like start their own families?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What does it felt like to see your kids all
three kids? It is extraordinary, to be very honest, what
I really wanted was if there were, like you know,
in my fantasy world and my wish list. I wanted
to have a second try talking about you guys. First,
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you want to have another case because I wanted to
be more patient and more pressed all do with Darrence.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
However, by the way, I remember when you came to
a We talked about this, I think on one of
the podcasts at the beginning, but we didn't have any listeners,
so we'll just tell it again. I remember when you
came to a Halloween parade for the kids and you
were crying at the end, and I said, why are
you crying, and you said, I just wish that that
was you and I could do it again and do
(30:40):
it over. But I just want to say that you
were and are an incredible mom and we all, I mean,
I have those moments. I'm sure you have those moments
where you wish you could.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, your kids are still really young.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
But that being said, oh, I wish I could change
the whole way that I like Feta shouldn't any.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Food but my grandchildren and to see my children as parents.
It is hard to believe my eldest grandchild, India, is
talking about where she wants to go to college. Then
is Lulu? Then Ace, who was my first grandson? Oh
(31:19):
so then was okay?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Good on the history.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So here it is, I love my grandchildren.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You're older than Lulu Ace. That's not true by three years.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That's not true at all. It is Lulu is not okay,
well it doesn't matter, right, okay, only ten? No, she
is great, I mean twelve, I think. Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Lulu's twenty one.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We have seven grandchildren, and it is the most wonderful
thing because also also the fact is that if we
say I want shop, I want literally she just do
(32:18):
if you want to, don't ask me. Having a family great? Great.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Do you feel like Jess and Rob fit into the
family dynamic better than you could have imagined?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
An Amanda? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I think they are all wonderful.
Why do you guys think Rob is the perfect match
for me?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Because he's the complete opposite do every single.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Because Rob is a solid citizen. He is good as
the day is long. He's kind, he's gentle.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
If you could.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Describe the Winkler family in one word, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
God, I'm sorry, is that annoying? It would be good?
Questions from her fans? Okay, fans, so are you good?
If I can describe the family shame mom day.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
If I could describe the Wing family in one word,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Keep saving it to me as well.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Okay, the word would.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Just be oh my god, but like the one word,
just like oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Okay, good one. How do you think our parenting differs?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I don't think it does.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Oh yeah, you'll tie pay on type.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, I mean, but the real things, like the real
like meat of the situation is the same. Yeah, I agree,
you're such a I like, do you don't care about
germs like in any way, like I don't change the
baby on the floor without like a blanket.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We went to unless it's too hard the floor.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
We went to Universal Studios last week and I was
like literally letting Matilda have Tommy time, like on the
floor of like the Dino play area, because I was like,
she's just been in the stroller all day, and you
know she needs to get her neck up.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
So I just put her on the floor.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The difference between me and you is that I would
never even be able to take the child or would never.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
To the Universal Studios and on my own, like with
just both and like I didn't I went to college.
You have like a three month old. I wouldn't even
Like I don't think it was a.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Disaster in all, honestly, like it was a disaster, Like I.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I really admire that about you though You're very like
capable but also like confident in in whatever it is
that you do.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And I think that that's honestly you just tothering instantly.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I really try.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I try.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
How I make so many mistakes with that, Like I
mean when we had Francis, like we had to because
our job is to travel.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And go to different places that you've never been to before.
So I just had to.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Become immediately comfortable. Basically just failing all the time.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
In public with people staring you, like why did you bring.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Your kid here?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Like what your kid is crying and I'm like, I'm
never gonna see you again. I don't care. I like
can't stay in the house.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Me and Marks have the same thing, Like we can't
stay in the house, right, and just like I can't
do Oh, there's no schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I can't do schedules. It's not for me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Okay, So he is very scheduling, very when you have
young children, and your children did really well, yeah, and
Frankie and Matilda will do really Yeah. Everyone's different. You
just have to do what works for you.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I mean, I am so anxious that the only way
like having a schedule and like and consistency is helps
my anxiety.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So that's why I do it. I don't think it's
like the best way to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I often watched you know, my kids are older thirteen,
nine and seven, and I watched Jess's parents. I watched
Jess parent and I'm so envious, like of that time,
and I wish that I could have been more like her,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I just like, it's just like simply not in my mind.
Always you'll always look bones.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You're always looking at whatever people do and you're like, oh,
I should have done that.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Like my oldest kid is only three and a half,
and I still look at people.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I'm like, uh.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But it's also because they're constantly come up with like
new ways of doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, like the baby led weeding stuff, I'm like, I
should have done that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
With Francis, They're just always nude studies all the time, right,
and then you find out that it actually was meant.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
To kill them at some point, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
And I just mean, like, you're very My therapist told
me that, she was like, you'll always be like I
should have done this and I should have not.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
She be like that too, she was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
When Max first started dating.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Jess one time, came over to our house and like
had a full meltdown on the floor of my kitchen.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You oh, And I was like, I think you should
see a therapist.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And you had told me that you and Max were
like just friends at the time, So I gave her
my therapist who she now Max.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Probably said it was just because he was like, if
she's crazy, we're just friends.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
No, no, you guys didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You guys both told me like you guys were just like, no,
we're good friends. This was like the second time we messed,
and so I was like, oh, okay, like you should
see my therapist. So now we both see the same therapist.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But honestly, it saved so much time.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I know, I love her so much, And isn't she
so great? Doctor Freed?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
She's really great, very strong.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
She was actually Rob's therapist. First I stole her from Rock.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
And then we said that like oh and then like
you did sessions of like your mom and dad with her,
and the only person that she had a met was Marx.
And then she obviously met Marx like because we did
like couples therapy together with her sometimes. And I was like,
now she's just gonna like disappear and finish because she's
like met everybody, and she's just like, God, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
What means so much to me is that our family
is so close, and so I love the relationship that
our kids have.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like that just means the world. That is important.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Even yesterday Jules was at sports camp, but Ace and
Gus went to the Kids Base Museum with Matilda Frankie
if you want to, like.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
We can maybe go there.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
In the podcast one day, Yeah, Frankie is obsessed with
all the all of her cousins, like obsessed with them.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Ace in particular, like genuinely is like really gifted with kids.
Yeah really yeah, I mean a calling in life is
like the cooking, like the carrot. His like gift is
like is acts of service people, you.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Know, like where she would do more acts of service
for me.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
He may do a beef well into it.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm just kidding you. Do he need to cook?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
He made everything himself. The other night Ace told me, Oh,
we talked about this actually on the on the podcast
last week. He was we were going to the market
and we got all the stuff for beef Wellington and
he cooked it and he cooked it perfectly, and he
made mashed potatoes and a red wine reduction sauce. And
nobody on my Instagram believed that a thirteen year old
(39:39):
child cooked this. Not only did he cook it, I
did not help at all because I could never and I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A great million years I would never be able to
make a beef.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He made crepes bite bite by from scratch. I was.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I was just like, you need to make it beef.
Well into it. I'd be like, peace out, you never
see me again, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I like, I've never in my life. He made the
every bit of it. He I am so impressed. It
was unbelievable. It really was really impressive. But one time
when Ace came he Ace was hungry and Papa was hungry,
and they went into the pantry and Ace took.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Out a.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Long expired box of ramen and then improvised and made
the best noodle thing ever. Was really good. Sorry, was
that too long? I'm sorry I did. I didn't want
to ingredient. Yeah, I mean I want to go through it.
(40:40):
And actually, when when lived here, she would place all
the food that was expired like a jam.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I think I did that when I was We all
lived here, we've all lived here like while we've been
working on our houses.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Or literal mold in the fridge.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Ricky's trying to killy one.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Ricky. It's everything goes to Ricky to.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Kill you, try to kill you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
No, eat this mold. It's good for you.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Antioxidants yeah. Well look, I mean, you fucking beat everything.
You're a warrior. So maybe the mold is going into
the mold. Maybe it's going well for you. It's going well.
Now sure?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Is is there anything else you'd like to talk about?
You're fine, You're fine now you are not?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Go on? Is the Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm excited for our trip at Christmas. We're all going
to go away to Hawaiian Christmas and I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Last year, but the arrival of Matilda like really rained
on that.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But we wouldn't have been able to go anyways because
Mom spent Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
We said that we would have lost so much money.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Daddy would have stripped to make it back. Is your
situation similar to nobody wants this?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Wait, you guys are Jewish?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I know you're not.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You guys are Jewish.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
I'm you don't know any Jewish people like, I'm so shocked.
Is our situation similar to nobody wants this? No, because
Max is the opposite of a rabbi like Max like
could not be less engaged in Judaism.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Let's be real. I wanted to convert.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I was ready to convert, and then Rabbi Chasen, I
love the guy but you know, he really he obviously
was like I'm gonna get to Max through her. So
we went to meet him and he was like, you've
gotta go to school. And I was like, huh, Like
everyone else, everybody, the majority of Max's friends, like okay,
this is why nobody wants this obviously. I mean there's
(42:58):
a lot of reasons why it was a good show.
But a lot of these guys married like non Jewish women, okay,
and they all went and they just did the mike
for straight away, like they were just like okay, dun't
them No, yes, yes they were. They were like, okay,
get him in, take a clothes off, getting your Jewish carats. Meanwhile,
Rabbi chas And was like, okay, you're gonna do school
(43:20):
for a year.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And I was like, I mean, have you seen sex
in the city when Charlotte, Like I'm not Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Let's be real, like I'm not Charlotte, never have been,
You're not a Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
And he was like he wanted us to. And I
did go to some of the lessons and like, honestly,
I loved it, but I can't do that every Monday
night at nine pm, Like I can't like we went
to Hungry you know, different time zones. I was filming
and then I was pregnant, Like I probably should have
(43:52):
done it when I was probably should have done it
when I was pregnant, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
And then it's like you can't like go in the
water for a while.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Have more kids? Do Yeah, let me do you want
to have.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I would have three. If we become rich, I'll have full. Okay, great,
if we become poor, I'll have full. It's poor or rich,
you have full.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
It is though like two and three and one is
just like middle of the road, like middle class, like
the more money less when you have you just like
keep my kids just like.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
So yeah, it would be great to have four kids,
hopefully because we become rich.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
So is our life like nobody wants this, No, because
Rabbi Chasen won't let me converge. No, he will.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You just have to do the conversion, like you have
to go.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
To everybody else.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yeah, well I provided two kids. I've given this two kids, Like, well,
I've given two children.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Let's go back to Rabbi Chase and let's discuss again.
I'm obsessed with him. His wife was at the last night,
you guys, I got an award because not only do
I do this podcast, not only do I raise three children,
but I have a nonprofit. And last night we were
recognized and we got a humanitarian award and my mom
was there and I got to meet Doug m Hoff,
(45:11):
which exciting, and I ran off a teleprompter for the
first time.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
And it doesn't dog just like Live On So no
he live, No, it's not North okay.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
And I was very excited to meet him. And I
was very excited for an organization. It was a really amazing,
amazing night. But why did we bring that up.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Because we were talking about Robbi chasing and wife was there,
his wife.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
When I was a aces bombitz fah, what I was
thinking was like, what if you want to be a
rabbi but you're not.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
You're actually terrible at singing.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
No, no, no, that's that's not that's the camp.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
But still the rabbi sings a little bit.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
I think as if you're like real a rabbi, I
do not have a musical bone in my body.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Please write in, all rabbis, please write in and tell
us what happens if you want to be a rabbi
sing right, that's the cant and the cantor is the singer.
But he was still and he is a guitar and
I love him.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, that's just like something that he does.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Not every rabbit very strong and soothing. And I can't
believe that this is devolved into an homage to Rabbi Chasing.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
All I do the lessons, I look, I really do.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
But I think what my my thing was was like
I'm actually like very active, okay, like I go to school,
like I'm going to go to Frankie school passover, Like
I'm very involved in I am the only person in
our house that is involved in it, like Marx is
not like I organized the school passover.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I just wish that Rabbi Chasing would see that. I
just wish that you would recognize that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
That's let's send this to him. Let's let's let's make
a plea and say, can you can you fast track
justin to the Jewish.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
The truth is is that anybody can be Jewish. You know,
you don't have to do the schooling, and you don't
you know, it's really.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
About you, it's your heart. We also celebrate Christmas in
this house not very well. What what do you mean?
You know what a beautiful tree.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It's not about that, it's about the meal. And like
Ricky the meal Ricky made me. The meal wasn't grave,
but it's like Ricky.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Made me for my family for twenty something years. He's
a king. We are obsessed with him. He's like family
at this point. And he cooks for my parents. My
mom doesn't like when I say that, but he does.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
People that you cook.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
He just makes a series of soups for Henry. You
want to make the soup for Henry every night.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
But that's soup. Now. If he's on a weight last journey.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Like a light soup on a night, I would like chicken,
very moist with ricotta.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Cheese, Racota raccota cheese. Please come to our house for dinner,
Ricotta cheese, pink pasta. We're going to have the Farmers
over for dinner. Yes, check for the date night. It's yeah,
what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
No? Last week my mom and I entered viewed Farmer
once a Wife. The two guys from it, they were
so cute and they called my mom and icon and
they want to come over for dinner.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They were adore.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
So they single and like they need to be hooked
up with.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You don't know how they're single. They might have met
their match, but they won't tell us yet. You have
to watch the show. It's actually so good, it's so fun.
It you can watch on Hulu. Okay, well this has
been great fun. Oh my god, lunch.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
All right, Okay, thank you so much for listening to
episode of What in the Winkler. You can listen to
us wherever you listen to your podcasts. We love iHeartRadio.
That is where our podcast is, but you can listen
to it anywhere.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Peace and love, bye bye, Thank you, Jess, Thanks Jess,
love you, thank you. Hopefully you'll
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