August 21, 2023 • 43 mins
You’ll learn why “cash is king” when Cash Warren hangs out with Jana and her Queendom! Cash gets open and honest about his marriage to Jessica Alba, including the real reason why they broke up… and got back together!
Cash shares the lesson he learned about channeling his negative feelings into positive actions, and he has some advice that could totally change your relationship.
Plus, find out why Jana is doing everything she can to avoid having a Scorpio son!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just take a breath. Hi, Hi, what a fun little
start to wind down. Guys. What's going on? I we
always have to start this with a deep breath and deep,
deep deep. You got anything to share? A kb H.
Nothing that's not toxic? So oh well, welcome to wind out. Exactly.
(00:29):
It's fine, it's fine. Are you in the brigatiers? Nope,
don't say that because that makes me on.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
She wasn't.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Damn did you hate when that happens at my doctor?
I went into my guano yesterday and my therapist like
gently suggested, She's like, I think maybe you should talk
to your kynecologists about options for drugs. Yeah, and then
that made me cry because but I just got off.
(01:01):
And then and then when I went into my therapist
or then I went to the guy, no, she was like,
all right, let's She's like, all right, see your anxiety,
talk to me about it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And then I just like started crying.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And she's like and I was like, I just I
don't know if I just need to talk about it
or like I just need to Like she's.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Like, what your therapists that you hear I just talked
about it in therapy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So I know y'all have like a mental breakdown last week,
but I want to start with.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You to talk about your mental breakdown.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I like to talk about other people's mental good I
don't feel like it's a mental breakdown.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I just am maybe start with Channa, Okay, let start
with me.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Start with your I was doing.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was going to lock it up, and then you
had to say the words do you want to cry? Yeah?
I should say what Alan's dad says, are you greeting you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
She wouldn't understand and she wouldn't cry.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I was on FaceTime with Ballan's dad and mom mom
the other day and he's like, even greetan or I
can't say. I can't do Scotland, I'm Scottish. I'm just
gonna just pretend it's whatever. I go Russian, I go
Russian British, like I cannot do Scottish. But he's like
a greeting and I'm like that's when I was like, yeah, great,
(02:21):
people like hello, goodbye. Like it's so silly. He's like, no,
greeton means crying in Scottish.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh I didn't know that I'm greeting greeting greetings from
KB on wine down. I don't know what I'm turned
down over here, So I don't want to really talk
about mine either.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If you'll just report.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Mine like the news and mentally I'll just detach and
that it's not even that big of a deal. It's
just frustrating. M Okay, I'll go with mine. It's okay,
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, no's like god, I just love not being hormonal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It is overly apparent when you have the most part
pregnant woman. You know, this is why jar and I've
always done pregnancies together, because we got to lean in.
Poor Cash Warren Man.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I mean, he's he's well, but then again, he's got
Jessica Alba, you know, who's you know, amazing in the
mom and so she he probably is gonna get the hormones,
but we gotta lock it up.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Who's going. Essentially, what happens to me is I have
a hard time asking for help, and so I've been
encouraged by couples therapist, amy therapist, everyone lean in, try
to get help, that's all. And I feel like, I
I feel like reliable help is hard to find.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
M H.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know if it's an age thing, I don't
generationally meaning, I don't know if it is an expectation.
I just try to lean in. And I already don't
trust anyone, and I don't think people are helpful. That's
really a big statement, but it's true. And so then
I feel like when I'm let down, it's just consistently
(04:10):
reinforcing that, right, because you ask for help today and
the kids are now here, uh huh in the other room. Yeah. Yeah,
So that's my story. Is overslept, right, which happens. It happens.
It's eleven o'clock, though, And so I know that's what's
hard for me, because I don't think I've ever had
(04:31):
and this is nothing to gets hurt. I just think
we're just living in a very different world. I never
had the luxury of not waking up to an alarm
my entire life. I have had jobs since I was fifteen. Yes,
I have had. I overslept for my morning show one time,
and I almost got fired. And so I'm just definitely
afraid of that. Yeah, and so yet even still today,
with that coming in, I packed up three children and
(04:53):
drove thirty five minutes and still got here right when
I was supposed to, and I just it's hard for
me to understand. And someone can't wake up at eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, but it's hard because the heart, the thing that
you have a hard time doing, you then get let
out and you're like, see, that's why I don't ask
for help because no.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
One's let it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I literally wrote it to you in capslock. Yeah, no
one is helpful. Yeah, that's how I feel. And it's
hard for me to like not feel that way. I
just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fair I hate that because there are a lot of
helpful people.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Do you that you feel that way?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And the other thing that I have, Yeah, that's been
kind of an issue is I have I share a
babysitter with someone else, and I feel like that is
not consistent. I just I just don't know. I feel
like sharing sitters is a very tricky thing. It is,
and I tried that and it didn't work. I know, well,
it's not working for me either, because one's not the
shared this is just and she's really wonderful person. Uh huh,
(05:51):
she's just sleepy. Yeah. Well, you know it's interesting though.
How old is she almost thirty? Oh? Okay, well then
that's interesting even more. No, like and she's great last
you should be up you know before. But sometimes but
also people have things like right, like I can't sleep
because I'm an anxious person, but some people just really
(06:13):
need a lot of sleep.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh I do, But I'm going to be there. I mean,
I don't mean that to be mean, but like I
love to sleep, you love I love to sleep. But
it also works since I was like twelve right now,
I'm going to be there on time.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, But it's not to be mean. It's just
it really has nothing to do with her. It has
to do with the belief that I have that no
one is helpful, and it's just reinforcing things like this
happen for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
When it actually comes true, then it's like, see that's why.
And then it's just very defeating.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wildly defeating, because I'm like, I'm postpartum. I've already today,
I've already taken both my kids to the dentist. I've
cleaned my house, I've started laundry, like I'm making things
and I've done it all by myself today. And so
the one part that I'm leaning in and to not
have that is just like it's speaking of the dentist.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I went yesterday thinking that I was going to have
like five root canals because my teeth, Like I have
this on tooth that's been hurting, and I'm like, well
I didn't this is gross, but like the water and
mint made me want to vomit first trimester, so like
I couldn't brush my teeth like I just use wisps.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, like I don't know. I was making fun of me.
I'm like, nobod, you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Like I would try and then I would gag and
then I'd puke, and so it just wasn't worth.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
The like extra puke of the day. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, So I just would always just use the wisp
And then I started to get a toothache and I
was like, oh no, I'm going to be in so
much like if I have to get like a root canal,
so into the dentist like terrified yesterday. I don't like
the dentist to begin with, but I was like, oh
my god, it's going to be over. And then he
was like, you did a really good job for not
brushing your teeth for three months.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was like, hey, so is the pain from pregnancy
because I felt like so this is what he said.
He said a lot of He's like, he goes, everything
looks good. He's like, where you're saying the pain is
is under a cavity or like it's a cavity tooth.
So he's like, nothing look looks like it's cracked or
seeping or anything. He's like, I can't do anything anyways
because you're pregnant. He's like, but a lot of women
(08:06):
are very when they're hormonal. It hurts more your teeth. Yes,
I felt that, like I was afraid I had cavities
or I was afraid something was like bad.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But then I feel bad because then we started. He's like,
well hopefully I go, oh, well, I got a cavity
like on every tooth, and and I brush my teeth.
I'm good with brush my teeth. But it's apparently it's
a genetic thing to have bad teeth. And so it
makes sense now because my daughter she has two cavities.
She's seven on her adult teeth. So I'm like, oh,
I gave it to my daughter. Yeah, Like you know,
like when you're the worst thing you've given your daughter.
(08:37):
We're breaking a lot of generations here. And you're like
the check up and it's like, oh, dad'side dead said
dead side, And then I'm like, but you don't have
to put there's no.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Teeth on that one present side. I don't know anything.
It's like born in some hospital in the middle of nowhere.
He doesn't even have a birth certificate. Somebody was just guessing, Oh,
so I called you yesterday, Yeah coming back born you did?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So when I went to my gaiano yesterday, we have
to move up my c section date. But we have
a problem with that move update. I know nothing about
a scorpio. Man, Oh, this is right on brand for
a day. Nothing I know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it bad? Oh it's not that well even Gemini girl,
I know, do you remember the process? I went sort
of like, even it's nothing. It is so silly to me.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's something you know what mine are?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't know what my kids are?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Good? You what are you?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's why kidding, that's why she doesn't know. She's like,
that's right, fair, No, I actually have no idea about
a pisces. But yes, he's dirty. When she said that,
I was like, I got you know, I was excited
that we got to move it up.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A little, but also I was like, that's not such dirty.
I know SAgs. I am one. That's how I feel.
I had a Capricorn daughter. I am one. I had
a Leo's son. My husband's a Leo, and then we
just had this little tiebreaker with the twin personality. Well,
so I did a little googling and they say, a
scorpion man is like very he's got like two sides.
(10:19):
He's like a shape shifter.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I was like, fabulous, very passionate, yes, loyal and stubborn, yes,
but has like a dark side.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well it's called scorpion, scorpio scorpion. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I was like, I'm gonna call Christian the stings.
It's okay, we're gonna be fine. We're just stewarding everyone
as well as we can. Everything is fine. Well, we
can have the scorpio and in the Gemini.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Can you imagine if I got married TBD TVD.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
All right, so we're gonna take a break and then
we're gonna get cash worn on. I hate to say this,
but it's the truth. But like, he's Jessica Albo's husband,
but I'm sure he hates that title.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Did you know I didn't even know he was Jessicala.
I did.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I love Jesscalba, so I like know, like her whole thing.
But I just love them because he's just so like
got it. He seems to have it all like together,
and oh.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Maybe he can help us.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe he can help us, or maybe he'll do together.
I do not have it together today. Take a break
and give him up.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hello, Hi there.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm Jana, Hi Janna, I'm Kristen and I'm Catherine.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I just love you. I just have to say that.
I've I've always loved you. I think you're great.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I just I'm like, find you a cash, you know
what I mean? Like that's kind. I was like my motto,
find me a cash.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You know, that's so sweet. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm serious, Like you're just we met before. I don't know,
but Hi, hi there, I mean because you're Are you
still in La?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I am, yes? Are you guys in La?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I was for a very long time. I was there
from two thousand and two to twelve, but then I
went back right before COVID. It's like my ex husband
and I we went back there and then we had
our second kid and then we're like, screw it, let's
go back to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So now now I'm in Nashville. Now we're in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ah, that's a fun city. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, we all of your people are moving here. Do
you want to move?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I know, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Come on down over. Would you ever move out of LA?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Growing up, I split my time between LA and France,
So I definitely. My mom moved to France when I
was three years old. Or no, she moved there when
I was six years old. No, sixteen, divorced when I
was three. She moved there when I was six, So
I have definitely lived outside of LA for half of
my life. I have no attachments other than my kids
(13:02):
being in school, and I just you know, I have
a tenth grader now, a seventh grader and so and
a little one going into kindergarten. So I just it'd
be tough to move them in high school.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
How is that age difference?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Because I have an almost eight, almost five, and then
I'm pregnant with a third.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Thank you announced it on my daughter's birthday? I did, yes?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
How is so? How is that like age difference?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Because I'm like, oh my from my youngest to my
other one, it's going to be you know, almost eight,
it'll be all be eight years.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, so we have a ten year gap. It's been great.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
My twelve year old's more helpful than my fifteen year
old with with her five year old brother. But the
gap is has been nice.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I think.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
So fifteen, twelve, and five they each had their moment,
you know, each of that like had their own time
and dieers. We didn't have two kids and diapers ever.
They were like they each had.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Their time to shine, and so I haven't minded it.
It's been pretty nice.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Although this last one, the five year old, we were
like in the clear. We were ready to like be
empty nesters and like girls were getting older and it
was all good. And so now we're we hit reset
and so this five year old we got a long
way to go.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
M no, I hear you. On that beginning of this
episode was me talking about that because I have a
seven year gap in a nine week old right now.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah. So we're in the thick of it, and it's
crazy because everyone was tying their shoes, filling their own
water bottles, kind of like getting themselves in the car
and then we're like rewind all the way back to
the beginning. Yeah, but that gap is so helpful. Though
the gap is helpful, don't you feel a little bit
like you just soaked up the third one differently?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yes, I appreciate it. Even the early stages were before
I couldn't wait to get out this third one. I
kind of have been soaking up every last.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Bit that's really special.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like this. Yeah, you know, you know the rough times
do pass.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, and you know it's your last so at least
for us.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yes, I'm going to that hospital and taking everything out
like the most massive promise ever. But the theme of
like the start of this episode was like we have
a hard time, well, she has a hard time asking
for help. I have to and just pass things because
they feel like when you ask for help and it
doesn't happen, you're just like, this is why I just
(15:30):
need to do everything myself as a guy. And I
please know I'm not stereotyping you at all. Having said that,
I welcome to do with this. You are on a
podcast with three girls. So I just I just feel
like when it comes to again, this is it's different.
I think now with my fiance, like when I when
I ask him for help, it actually gets done, and
(15:54):
it's I'm not used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm like, what do you want?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Like, it's just it's a weird thing, right, But with
my ex husband and it would just never get done.
And so I'm like, well, I just learned and then
not asked for help and I would just do it,
but then I would get it resentful, right because I'm like,
I can't rely on He was like, I've seen this movie,
so like what what husband are you?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What husband do you think you are?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And what husband?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And your wife thank you are cash for?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Oh well, that's a good one. I'm a good sous chef,
so kids aside. In the kitchen, I'll chop, I'll set
a table, I'll wash dishes. I'm not the most creative
guy in the kitchen, but I'm a good soux chef,
so so that I do know, and with the kids,
I'm I'm super active, you know, because my mom moved
to France when I was six. I was raised by
(16:40):
my dad. He was like my mom and my dad,
and I mean he drove me to school every day,
made my lunch every day, picked me up, took me
to all my sporting and he worked a full time job.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And so you know.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
That's all I know really is to be involved and
to be active. I used to say, I'm gonna go
on a crusade to like kill the two or mister mom.
I'm like, it's just being a dad, Like just just
like be involved, be there, be consistent, and I you know,
I hope my kids feel that. I think Jessica would
(17:14):
say he loves to disappear in his man cave.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He loves.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
If I don't give give him a list of things
to do, he will have no problem watching sports all
day long and et cetera.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But no, I'm super involved.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That's funny because sorry not to cut you off, but
my husband is also super helpful. But I have to
tell him like it has to be laid out, and
I literally today I send him this meme. It's like
my husband would never cheat on me because I'd have
to plan it for him and remind him.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Of it seventeen times. I literally just sent him that
before this.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yep, that is literally mostualty. Sorry anyway, this might be
too soon to jump into this, but one of the
things that my husband and I talk about in the
list that happens and I'm always like, well, you could
help here, is laundry. And ironically, your undies are in
my laundry room. That is going to be That got
(18:13):
everyone a little more interested.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yes, I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You have dominated my laundry rooms. So do you want
to talk about a Pair of Thieves?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I do.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I started this brand, Pair of Thieves about nine years
ago with two buddies, one kid I went to high
school with and another kid from call They went to
college together. And and our goal with it really was
just to build a new basics brand, something that was comfortable.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
We would borrow trends and kind of uh technical aspects
from the high end market and and and we would
redevelop them in a way that made them more affordable.
And so we're a premium brand, but we're sold in
mass retail. It's called Pair of Thieves. We make underwear,
we make socks, we make t shirts and tenure. You know,
we started the business. I don't know if you guys
(19:01):
get into how much business stuff we started it. We
each invested around fifteen hundred dollars, so a thousand bucks each.
We never raised another dime. We have no investors in
the business, and we'll do around one hundred million this year,
and so it's a it's a really it's turned into
kind of this like underdog brand that like nobody's really
(19:21):
heard of, but it's it's turning into quite a business.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I couldn't be more proud.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, we used to spend a ton on I don't
know if I can mention your competition.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Isn't that isn't an undies because we oh no, what
was the other one essay XX was?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't know. I used to spend way too much
money on. My husband is a tour musician, and they
would park their bus at Target, and so all of
a sudden, I'm starting to get this influx of a
lot of underwear and I'm like, what is pair of thieves?
And he's like, we're done with sex. We're not spending
another dime. He's like this is crazy. He's like these
are so good and they're so soft, So what how
(19:55):
do you we know how you just move up? But
how do you start from socks? And it worked their
way to Undy's. I just got that. I'm sorry, I
mean I really did want money here. From the toes
to the balls.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, you move from your toes to your balls. I
put on my underwear before my socks. But we started
with socks and then moving down to where we were
looking at the basics category and kind of just basically,
you know, like there is a loyalty with men in
underwear that's different than socks, right, And so if I
open a guy's underwear drawer, there's a really good chance
(20:31):
he's gonna have one brand of underwear in that drawer,
or is in his sock drawer, he's gonna have a
ton of different brands. And so it was it was
really important important for us to get it right. We
always knew we wanted to move into underwear, it was
just a matter of kind of how and when. Because
we were self funded, we had limited resources, limited bandwidth,
and and so we took about two years to develop it.
(20:52):
But by the time it launched, it quickly became our
our number one revenue generator.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And and it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You know, I never thought I would have a business
where I would be waking up to like naked selfies
from friends being like, dude, I'm wearing your ship, and
I'm like, it makes me so happy, it does makes
me so oh.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And where did the Because I get the of socks
start as socks, like the pair of but where where'd
you get the thieves part?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Like who came up with that?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know, like one of your socks always goes missing?
Who steals that sock? So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So yeah, oh gosh, I love that. Good for you?
So how long? How long has this business been going?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Then?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So we launched officially in twenty fourteen, so this is
our ninth year, next our tenth anniversary. Target was our
first retailer, but now we're carried at a wide range
of retailers from Walmart and Target and Amazon to Macy's
and Nordstrums.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
To Meyer fred Meyer.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
We weren't about six thousand stores nationwide.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Now that's incredible. Where you where do you want it
to go?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And then you said you're branching on to other things now,
but it's like, do you want to do brick and mortar,
do you want to do more like clothes like active
wear all that stuff or what do you want?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah, Like, we're not going to turn around and try
to go be a denim brand tomorrow, but we very
much look at ourselves as a lifestyle brand. And so
even though we do playing kind of really limited categories
of socks and underwear and T shirts. We still want
to tell lifestyle stories. So whether that's active, where performance,
where lounge, weear sleepwear, there's a lot of different lanes
(22:32):
that we can kind of expand into. We did women's
for about a year and a half because what we
were over fifty percent of our customers or women, and
so whether that's buying for a man in their house
or that's buying for themselves, we found that a lot
of women are buying our products for themselves, and so
we did launch a women's collection. We it did well,
but we quickly realized we just didn't have enough resources
(22:55):
to really support it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You guys are.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Highly sought after customers with a lot of competition, and
we if we are going to do women's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
We need to do it right.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And so so we decided to refocus on men's but
would love to go back into women's one day. And
kids were all dads, and so we did this dad
kid matching sock that was like the cutest thing. When
we were looking out there special daughters, there was like
nothing out there for dads and daughters. Everything was like
dads and sons or moms and daughters, and so we
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did the dad kid just to make it unisex and
and that was a lot of fun. And so kids
would be fun and women's would be fun, and then
expanding inside of men's.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I love that. Well, you let us know if you
need like a test group.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yes, I know, wadly we.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Have lots of kids, and I definitely remember I think
we did something for parathieves, like. I don't know if
you guys ever did like an influencer thing, but I
kind of I kind of remember, like because I was like,
oh yeah, parathets like and then I think my ex
had them. Anyway, Anyway, we do a lot of influencer stuff,
you know, not primarily, but some of the time it's
around our give back initiative.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
So we have a program called good Fits, which is
our social responsibility kind of branch, and inside of there,
we we've donated close to five million pairs of socks
to families in need with an organization called Baby to Baby.
We are partnered with Bring Change to Mind around mental
health for youth. It's you know, specifically around suicide prevention,
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which is just really scary what's going on with kind
of teens and tweens today and then and then lgbt Q.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
With Trevor Project.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
We have a Pride initiative, and so perhaps there was
an engagement around baby to baby or bring change to mind.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I love I love that you also have that aspect
to in the giving back. That's that's always that's nice.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, And you don't use it really as a marketing
ploy for us. It's really like I'm philanthropic in my
own life. When we were building the brand, I very
much wanted it to be a reflection of us, and
so we picked causes that were near and dear to
our hearts. But with the team expanding, I've told everybody
at the company bring new causes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
To the table.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
We're always looking to expand what we support, and even
if we're not talking about it publicly, like we're just
we're supporting and we're doing it right. And that's action
speak louder and words. I don't want someone to only
buy our product because of a give back. I want
them to love the products and then be pleasantly surprised
when they find out we're all so helping out.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's kind of a reverse business model for our society though,
because I feel like people love to lead with their
good deeds publicly, So look at you, you sneaky little
angel man.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know the reason was I actually I was like
so many people get for things that they support somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I don't know if I'm allowed.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
To cuss you, I'm sorry, but people get, you know,
get flack for supporting things or you know, you're you're
donating things to shoes to impoverish nations, and next thing
you know, you're getting backlash for not doting and not
donating enough or doing And I just didn't want to.
(26:09):
I would just wanted to do good and not get
not get any pushback.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I'm going to try and word this the right way,
So forgive me if I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Great.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But you are obviously were successful when you met Jessica.
But was there ever a piece of you that you know,
because obviously she's got the honest business and she's Jessica
Alba and she's got, you know, a huge name for herself.
For my own personal past experiences, if I was ever
(26:53):
more successful than the guy, they would say they loved it,
But then it was the thing that was used against me. Well,
I cheated because as it was always about you and
your schedule and this, that and the other. And so
when you kind of walked into this relationship with Jessica,
did you ever feel like it was you know, just
about her?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did? Like as a guy, like, how how did.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You kind of manage that knowing that, like, you know,
she is who she is?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know is a really it's a good question. I
think that.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
It manifest did I would say that yes, there was
definitely there was.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
There was definitely something that like that I felt. I
don't know if it was.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Jealousy towards her, resentment towards her, but when we first
started we've been together twenty years now, so when we
first started dating, I was really jealous of that, like
other guys and the attention that she was getting from
other guys, and and it just wasn't making me feel good.
And it just did Like I was always a pretty
confident person in my own kind of walking my own
(28:05):
path and really really happy there, and next thing, you know,
I'm like looking up and just feeling jealous all the time.
And I was like, I hate feeling like this. I
don't you know, it doesn't make me feel good, and
I know it doesn't make you feel good. And and
we broke up four years in four years into our relationship,
we broke up. It was like just the jealousy I
(28:25):
was turning into an asshole. And and so we broke up.
And and during that that time of part I was
just like, if we ever got back together, like I
I'm promising, I like made a promise to myself to
like channel that into in a different way, into a
more productive way. And so the jealousy towards other guys,
(28:47):
I've never resent I've always always like cheered her. I'm
like her biggest cheerleader. And so I'm I'm I'm I've
never felt jealous of or or kind of resentment towards
her for working hard or if anything we got together,
I was like, you know, like don't make sacrifice, like
push pursue your passion, pursue your careers. Don't make sacrifices
(29:11):
because you feel bad for leaving the kids for this
week or that week, or like.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Eventually they'll grow up and and they'll.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Forget the fact that you were gone for these three
days or these five days.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like we we we.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Live, we forgive, we forget, like you know, And so
I'm a biggest fan I'm a biggest cheerleader. I've I've
tried to be a good teammate in that regard. I'm
not interested in the spotlight. I don't have you know,
I'm not a star. I'm not a you know, I'm
not an actor. I've never tried to be an actor.
(29:46):
It's just I high five her, let her do her thing,
and and I've gotten.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
More comfortable with it over the years. I guess, long,
long answer.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, But you know it makes sense because I just
feel like it can be like hard for the guys.
It's like they like the power and the beauty in
this person, but then it's like, yeah, there comes resentment
and jealousy, and I think it's hard if you're not
secure and who you are in your manhood, Like it
can be challenging. I mean even like it was hard
for me even well well yeah, but I mean even
(30:15):
on the flip side, like when you when we go
do our tours, it's like Preston wants to be the star.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well he yeah, because he is right, but like.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
You deserve to like shine too, you know what I mean.
So it's like having that like balance in like all
of it. Yeah, I mean I felt the resentment, even
just like hanging up my own career to be a
stay at home mom because what he does, you know,
is the PM.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He's the breadwinner. And so I just until we started
doing this, I've just kind of been home and that
was I mean, it's it's it's interesting when you say
those words, because I mean that's just real life and
a very honest response.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's human to feel that way.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, sure, yeah, And I think that it's something they
all like, I'll always be working on She'll always be
working on it. And we find ways where you know,
she can support me and she can uplift me and
kind of help help some of the Yeah, and we try,
we really do try to find that balance. I think
(31:10):
that there is no easy answer. I do think today
different than probably thirty years ago or twenty years ago. Today,
there are a number of households that have that are
two income families where you know, both parties are breadwinners,
both parties are working, you're both parenting.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And so it used to be.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
How do the moms balance career in parenting? And the
dads would never get asked that question. Today, dads also
get asked that question because they recognize that both parents
are probably balancing career and parenting.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
But I mean twenty years is like that's amazing, especially
in the Hollywood, you know world that you guys, Yeah,
exactly what is the thing that works?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Like why you know? Is is it love? Is the communication?
Is it their respect?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Like?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
What is the one thing you can be like this
has been what we've been really really good at?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What are what is the one thing that we've been
really good at?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And just like keeping that strong foundation of twenty years,
I mean that's a that's a really like that's a
long time.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that
I've thought a lot about recently is like the ebbs
and flows of a relationship. And so like when you
first start dating and you know you're together, and you
get into a fight, you make up right away, and
then you get into a fight, you make up a
couple of days later. And as the longer you're together,
those kind of disagreements or those moments where your energy
(32:34):
is just a little bit off, can those can last longer?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And so it goes from being like a one day
thing to a one week thing to a month, and
then the longer you're together, it actually can last even longer, right,
so you can almost you can go months where your
energy is just off. It's not like you're actively fighting
over those months, but your energy is off, and just
having the patience and the kind of the patience to
(32:59):
know that, like a eventually it starts to come back
together and your energy starts to get back aligned, and
and going through a few of those cycles, I no
longer get his nervous and kind of start looking at
the door, you know, I no longer get his nervous
when when you're drifting apart, so to speak, or you're
kind of your energy's off. I think she's felt very much.
(33:22):
She's a line there. And so when we're going through
those times, we you know, either give each other our
space that we need, we talk it out. We then
you know, maybe go on a date and I, like
you try to like do things to get it back.
And fortunately I've got a partner who's kind of right there.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Lock and step.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I love it. That kind of makes me think of
like you, you know what I mean, Like you're a
situation where it's like you and your she almost divorced
her husband, but like is because it just that resentment
was too many years, like no coming back together like
you can have you had the space, but then it
was no like reconnection.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Well it's interesting, he said, I no longer get scared
because it's like we were married for fifteen years, we
were going to get divorced, but ended up just being
separated for a couple months. But then it's like we've
had a little bit of a cycle now where it
is kind of feeling not now. I would say, like
over the summer that felt that way, And he kind
of made that comment like, well, I'm just like trying
(34:19):
not to get to a point where I'm scared or
like where I'm afraid of you know. So it's interesting,
like you have to talk through that, and because it does,
it can easily just get longer as you're married and
together longer.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It's interesting to hear that.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you keep your relationship kind of exciting?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, so we've been back together for a year, so
for us, a lot of it is just really the
communication part of it. We just got to a point
where we were not communicating and it was like I
need my space. So he got mad and went over
here to give me my space, you know, and it
was like we couldn't figure out how to come back.
We did figure out how to come back obviously when
(34:58):
we were separated, but now it's just communicating and making
sure that we are doing date nights and just you know,
being more.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But we've got kids.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I mean, I know it's not excuse, but we're kids
are about the same ages as yours, and it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It's busy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It's like, how do we even find time in the
schedule to have a date night? But you know it's important.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I feel it's so scripted to something it does.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I know it's true, and that's a piece like yeah,
as like starting a relationship, I'm like, I don't want
to I'm like, I don't I don't want to fall
into those traps, but I know you're gonna there. There's
gonna be those like holes that you fall into. But
it's like scary because I'm like, I don't want to
mess up again and I don't want to fail again
because I feel like I have like a lot of
pressure riding on like this new beginning. But it's like
(35:41):
but it's also you know, it's life. We're going to
have setbacks and stuff, but they just haven't come yet,
So I'm just like, when are they coming? And I
just want to wear because it's how We're all living
together for nine months, so like you know what I mean,
And I got a baby out of it, so you know,
it's like things are like a little but you know,
I've just you know, but I mean Max and I
were together for seven years and you know, so it's
(36:03):
just it's it's, uh, it's way wildly different than my
last relationship.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Though.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
There's so much more respect in this one, Like we
just he respects me and so then therefore I respect him,
and there was no respect in my last relationship. You know,
I didn't respect his choices and so therefore I spoke
ugly words and was not respectful to him either.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So it was just like such a toxic mess.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And it's like that's why I'm like, let's just be
so careful with our words, because I think anything you
do you can take back, but for me, words you
can't take back. Like if you were to say something
to me like that is like that is what I
remember the most as opposed to your action.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So yeah, He's like, can we go back to These
three shakes have really let me into the sorority. Okay,
so tell us, tell us if you can do anything
for all of life? Your cash worn you. You look
(37:02):
like the sweetest little superman. You look clerk keinnish. You've
got you know this, great wife, three beautiful babies that
are not babies anymore. One's gonna drive soon, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I got a teacher how to drive this year.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh my gosh, how do you learn to drive?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
In La?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Let me ask that question, you pray, just jump in.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
You gotta gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's probably the best place to learn how to drive.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Honestly, woof what were you going to ask them? Well, okay,
so I was going to ask if you could do anything?
If you if you can do anything? Like we just
we say cash now in this moment in time, what
do you want to be when you grow up? Like
you get to entrepreneur anything? What is it? Make anything up? Like,
make anything? It's okay if you're living it too, But
(37:45):
is there something that you're like this is the ultimate
because you've done so many It's like I just told
you my business is one hundred million dollars this year.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You're living it. I am I am, I'm I am,
I am.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I've been super I started my own business when I
was twenty five years old. So I started working for
myself at twenty five. And I've had tech startups, I've
done documentary producing, I've you know, done digital stuff, and
now I've got a pair of thieves and I've got
(38:20):
a beautiful family. Like, I love being an entrepreneur. I
love starting businesses. Even though I had no idea, I
knew nothing about the apparel industry, I jumped in head first,
like I just love the like taking an idea and
turning it into something tangible, like making it come to fruition,
like is my.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Favorite thing to do.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
And so I love partnering up with really creative people
and like figuring out how do we bottle this and
sell it?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And so.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
I am doing exactly what I would want to do.
I would like to play more golf.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, so get that on the wish list and you
want to enjoy the fruits of it all?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Now, yeah, I would like to do that. Now, Yeah
I've lived. I'm doing it. I feel I feel what
about you? What would you guys be doing?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's a really isn't that like such a special place
to be though? Really, the contentment piece. It's such a
rare thing for all of us to just sit like
at A girlfriend called me yesterday and I said, her
dad used to say, you're like you answered her call
you just an answer mine? I called, I called you back. Okay, Hey,
does everybody want to We're gonna pin this because when
she's nine weeks, we're just gonna come right back. When
(39:30):
you just call them when I call you and you're like,
mascara's down your face. So my girlfriend yesterday, her dad
always says you're living the best days of your life
and you don't even know it. And I told her
yesterday was the first time I really have felt that
I've pulled back in the Nashville circle a little. Like
I'm a country wife, so there's a lot of that,
(39:52):
and I've just kind of have gone like what is
important to me, Like who are my real people? Pour
into my real people, spend time with my real people,
do things, enjoy but like it's a really special place
to be in where you're just I said, I'm I
just feel like I'm living the best days of my life. Yeah,
well every day we're allowed and breathing is you know. Yeah,
But like I keep saying, we live in such an
(40:13):
unsatisfied society as kind of a whole that I feel
like we're always like what's next, what's bigger, what's next?
You know, and sometimes it's okay to say you just
want to play golf. I would love a babysitter. So
since we're just putting things into the universe, I can
get you a babysitter.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Canter. Yeah, we have some good folks in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Well, Cash, anytime you and Jess are here, called her.
Just you know that we're like money. Whenever you guys
roll in and whenever here in Nashville, let me know,
let us know, and you guys can Bill will take
you out on the town. But everyone who's listening, go
buy Para Thieves for your for your hobby, and and
(40:54):
Cash says thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So I certainly do. Yeah. Our head of sales, Michael
Cole get a shout out to Michael Whole. He lives
in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, well I need to talk to him. Was missending
a lot of money on your brand and I would
love to support. But if there's a way that you
guys could cover our ass too, that would be great.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I really love you, buddy, I will gladly do that
the best.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Thank you, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Thank thank you so much for having me. I can't
wait to meet a person.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You'll make a tea time buddy. We love you. Oh
my god, I love him. We were so today. I
know he's like, oh well he has daughters. I love him.
You guys, He's just good and I'm just likeding my
cheeks hurt from smiling. Well because he smiled. He's you
(41:43):
guys are happy. Speaking of which, because I know my
looks keep getting published on this podcast. My reaction, Yes,
this brought to you by I was kidding, bubbly, hi you.
I love that. By the way they look here you
hey you. I always say I feel like he has
resting happy face, but he's in like a happy yeah
(42:07):
one thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
But also when we were doing the interview, I'm like,
you know how you thought like Amy's relationship is perfect?
Like when I look at him, I'm like, he looks
like the best husband. There are things and he even
said that, right, but don't even like it's like they
just look like the.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Happiest, go luckiest, Like I'm like, what helpful.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Are still the most from like y'all are like still
romanticizing about me. We are hopeless, hopeless romantic YEA.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Well, I kind of feel like I'm still in that
because I'm still in that season with my with.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
My Maybe it'll always be that way. It'd be great.
I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't know, TVD, TBD. Well, you, guys,
I'm kidnapping my husband this week in for his birthday.
It's a surprise and he doesn't know it. Sweet, oh
good this weekend? Ye, where are you going? Just it's close.
(43:02):
We're just going to stay close, but a little overnight
and some dinner and because I need it, so I'm
disguising it as a birthday gift to him. You have
a babysitter. I do. I have a do and a baby.
Two alarms different one. Al Right, guys, good luck with that,
have fun and see you next week. Bye bye,
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just take a breath. Hi, Hi, what a fun little
start to wind down. Guys. What's going on? I we
always have to start this with a deep breath and deep,
deep deep. You got anything to share? A kb H.
Nothing that's not toxic? So oh well, welcome to wind out. Exactly.
(00:29):
It's fine, it's fine. Are you in the brigatiers? Nope,
don't say that because that makes me on.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
She wasn't.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Damn did you hate when that happens at my doctor?
I went into my guano yesterday and my therapist like
gently suggested, She's like, I think maybe you should talk
to your kynecologists about options for drugs. Yeah, and then
that made me cry because but I just got off.
(01:01):
And then and then when I went into my therapist
or then I went to the guy, no, she was like,
all right, let's She's like, all right, see your anxiety,
talk to me about it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And then I just like started crying.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And she's like and I was like, I just I
don't know if I just need to talk about it
or like I just need to Like she's.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Like, what your therapists that you hear I just talked
about it in therapy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So I know y'all have like a mental breakdown last week,
but I want to start with.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You to talk about your mental breakdown.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I like to talk about other people's mental good I
don't feel like it's a mental breakdown.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I just am maybe start with Channa, Okay, let start
with me.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Start with your I was doing.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was going to lock it up, and then you
had to say the words do you want to cry? Yeah?
I should say what Alan's dad says, are you greeting you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
She wouldn't understand and she wouldn't cry.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I was on FaceTime with Ballan's dad and mom mom
the other day and he's like, even greetan or I
can't say. I can't do Scotland, I'm Scottish. I'm just
gonna just pretend it's whatever. I go Russian, I go
Russian British, like I cannot do Scottish. But he's like
a greeting and I'm like that's when I was like, yeah, great,
(02:21):
people like hello, goodbye. Like it's so silly. He's like, no,
greeton means crying in Scottish.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh I didn't know that I'm greeting greeting greetings from
KB on wine down. I don't know what I'm turned
down over here, So I don't want to really talk
about mine either.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If you'll just report.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Mine like the news and mentally I'll just detach and
that it's not even that big of a deal. It's
just frustrating. M Okay, I'll go with mine. It's okay,
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, no's like god, I just love not being hormonal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It is overly apparent when you have the most part
pregnant woman. You know, this is why jar and I've
always done pregnancies together, because we got to lean in.
Poor Cash Warren Man.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I mean, he's he's well, but then again, he's got
Jessica Alba, you know, who's you know, amazing in the
mom and so she he probably is gonna get the hormones,
but we gotta lock it up.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Who's going. Essentially, what happens to me is I have
a hard time asking for help, and so I've been
encouraged by couples therapist, amy therapist, everyone lean in, try
to get help, that's all. And I feel like, I
I feel like reliable help is hard to find.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
M H.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know if it's an age thing, I don't
generationally meaning, I don't know if it is an expectation.
I just try to lean in. And I already don't
trust anyone, and I don't think people are helpful. That's
really a big statement, but it's true. And so then
I feel like when I'm let down, it's just consistently
(04:10):
reinforcing that, right, because you ask for help today and
the kids are now here, uh huh in the other room. Yeah. Yeah,
So that's my story. Is overslept, right, which happens. It happens.
It's eleven o'clock, though, And so I know that's what's
hard for me, because I don't think I've ever had
(04:31):
and this is nothing to gets hurt. I just think
we're just living in a very different world. I never
had the luxury of not waking up to an alarm
my entire life. I have had jobs since I was fifteen. Yes,
I have had. I overslept for my morning show one time,
and I almost got fired. And so I'm just definitely
afraid of that. Yeah, and so yet even still today,
with that coming in, I packed up three children and
(04:53):
drove thirty five minutes and still got here right when
I was supposed to, and I just it's hard for
me to understand. And someone can't wake up at eleven.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, but it's hard because the heart, the thing that
you have a hard time doing, you then get let
out and you're like, see, that's why I don't ask
for help because no.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
One's let it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I literally wrote it to you in capslock. Yeah, no
one is helpful. Yeah, that's how I feel. And it's
hard for me to like not feel that way. I
just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fair I hate that because there are a lot of
helpful people.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Do you that you feel that way?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And the other thing that I have, Yeah, that's been
kind of an issue is I have I share a
babysitter with someone else, and I feel like that is
not consistent. I just I just don't know. I feel
like sharing sitters is a very tricky thing. It is,
and I tried that and it didn't work. I know, well,
it's not working for me either, because one's not the
shared this is just and she's really wonderful person. Uh huh,
(05:51):
she's just sleepy. Yeah. Well, you know it's interesting though.
How old is she almost thirty? Oh? Okay, well then
that's interesting even more. No, like and she's great last
you should be up you know before. But sometimes but
also people have things like right, like I can't sleep
because I'm an anxious person, but some people just really
(06:13):
need a lot of sleep.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh I do, But I'm going to be there. I mean,
I don't mean that to be mean, but like I
love to sleep, you love I love to sleep. But
it also works since I was like twelve right now,
I'm going to be there on time.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, But it's not to be mean. It's just
it really has nothing to do with her. It has
to do with the belief that I have that no
one is helpful, and it's just reinforcing things like this
happen for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
When it actually comes true, then it's like, see that's why.
And then it's just very defeating.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wildly defeating, because I'm like, I'm postpartum. I've already today,
I've already taken both my kids to the dentist. I've
cleaned my house, I've started laundry, like I'm making things
and I've done it all by myself today. And so
the one part that I'm leaning in and to not
have that is just like it's speaking of the dentist.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I went yesterday thinking that I was going to have
like five root canals because my teeth, Like I have
this on tooth that's been hurting, and I'm like, well
I didn't this is gross, but like the water and
mint made me want to vomit first trimester, so like
I couldn't brush my teeth like I just use wisps.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, like I don't know. I was making fun of me.
I'm like, nobod, you don't understand.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Like I would try and then I would gag and
then I'd puke, and so it just wasn't worth.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
The like extra puke of the day. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, So I just would always just use the wisp
And then I started to get a toothache and I
was like, oh no, I'm going to be in so
much like if I have to get like a root canal,
so into the dentist like terrified yesterday. I don't like
the dentist to begin with, but I was like, oh
my god, it's going to be over. And then he
was like, you did a really good job for not
brushing your teeth for three months.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was like, hey, so is the pain from pregnancy
because I felt like so this is what he said.
He said a lot of He's like, he goes, everything
looks good. He's like, where you're saying the pain is
is under a cavity or like it's a cavity tooth.
So he's like, nothing look looks like it's cracked or
seeping or anything. He's like, I can't do anything anyways
because you're pregnant. He's like, but a lot of women
(08:06):
are very when they're hormonal. It hurts more your teeth. Yes,
I felt that, like I was afraid I had cavities
or I was afraid something was like bad.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But then I feel bad because then we started. He's like,
well hopefully I go, oh, well, I got a cavity
like on every tooth, and and I brush my teeth.
I'm good with brush my teeth. But it's apparently it's
a genetic thing to have bad teeth. And so it
makes sense now because my daughter she has two cavities.
She's seven on her adult teeth. So I'm like, oh,
I gave it to my daughter. Yeah, Like you know,
like when you're the worst thing you've given your daughter.
(08:37):
We're breaking a lot of generations here. And you're like
the check up and it's like, oh, dad'side dead said
dead side, And then I'm like, but you don't have
to put there's no.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Teeth on that one present side. I don't know anything.
It's like born in some hospital in the middle of nowhere.
He doesn't even have a birth certificate. Somebody was just guessing, Oh,
so I called you yesterday, Yeah coming back born you did?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh didn't see it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
So when I went to my gaiano yesterday, we have
to move up my c section date. But we have
a problem with that move update. I know nothing about
a scorpio. Man, Oh, this is right on brand for
a day. Nothing I know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it bad? Oh it's not that well even Gemini girl,
I know, do you remember the process? I went sort
of like, even it's nothing. It is so silly to me.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's something you know what mine are?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't know what my kids are?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Good? You what are you?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
That's why kidding, that's why she doesn't know. She's like,
that's right, fair, No, I actually have no idea about
a pisces. But yes, he's dirty. When she said that,
I was like, I got you know, I was excited
that we got to move it up.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
A little, but also I was like, that's not such dirty.
I know SAgs. I am one. That's how I feel.
I had a Capricorn daughter. I am one. I had
a Leo's son. My husband's a Leo, and then we
just had this little tiebreaker with the twin personality. Well,
so I did a little googling and they say, a
scorpion man is like very he's got like two sides.
(10:19):
He's like a shape shifter.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I was like, fabulous, very passionate, yes, loyal and stubborn, yes,
but has like a dark side.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well it's called scorpion, scorpio scorpion. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I was like, I'm gonna call Christian the stings.
It's okay, we're gonna be fine. We're just stewarding everyone
as well as we can. Everything is fine. Well, we
can have the scorpio and in the Gemini.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Can you imagine if I got married TBD TVD.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
All right, so we're gonna take a break and then
we're gonna get cash worn on. I hate to say this,
but it's the truth. But like, he's Jessica Albo's husband,
but I'm sure he hates that title.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Did you know I didn't even know he was Jessicala.
I did.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I love Jesscalba, so I like know, like her whole thing.
But I just love them because he's just so like
got it. He seems to have it all like together,
and oh.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Maybe he can help us.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe he can help us, or maybe he'll do together.
I do not have it together today. Take a break
and give him up.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hello, Hi there.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm Jana, Hi Janna, I'm Kristen and I'm Catherine.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I just love you. I just have to say that.
I've I've always loved you. I think you're great.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I just I'm like, find you a cash, you know
what I mean? Like that's kind. I was like my motto,
find me a cash.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You know, that's so sweet. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm serious, Like you're just we met before. I don't know,
but Hi, hi there, I mean because you're Are you
still in La?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I am, yes? Are you guys in La?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I was for a very long time. I was there
from two thousand and two to twelve, but then I
went back right before COVID. It's like my ex husband
and I we went back there and then we had
our second kid and then we're like, screw it, let's
go back to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So now now I'm in Nashville. Now we're in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ah, that's a fun city. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, we all of your people are moving here. Do
you want to move?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I know, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Come on down over. Would you ever move out of LA?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Growing up, I split my time between LA and France,
So I definitely. My mom moved to France when I
was three years old. Or no, she moved there when
I was six years old. No, sixteen, divorced when I
was three. She moved there when I was six, So
I have definitely lived outside of LA for half of
my life. I have no attachments other than my kids
(13:02):
being in school, and I just you know, I have
a tenth grader now, a seventh grader and so and
a little one going into kindergarten. So I just it'd
be tough to move them in high school.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
How is that age difference?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Because I have an almost eight, almost five, and then
I'm pregnant with a third.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Thank you announced it on my daughter's birthday? I did, yes?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
How is so? How is that like age difference?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Because I'm like, oh my from my youngest to my
other one, it's going to be you know, almost eight,
it'll be all be eight years.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, so we have a ten year gap. It's been great.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
My twelve year old's more helpful than my fifteen year
old with with her five year old brother. But the
gap is has been nice.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I think.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
So fifteen, twelve, and five they each had their moment,
you know, each of that like had their own time
and dieers. We didn't have two kids and diapers ever.
They were like they each had.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Their time to shine, and so I haven't minded it.
It's been pretty nice.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Although this last one, the five year old, we were
like in the clear. We were ready to like be
empty nesters and like girls were getting older and it
was all good. And so now we're we hit reset
and so this five year old we got a long
way to go.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
M no, I hear you. On that beginning of this
episode was me talking about that because I have a
seven year gap in a nine week old right now.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah. So we're in the thick of it, and it's
crazy because everyone was tying their shoes, filling their own
water bottles, kind of like getting themselves in the car
and then we're like rewind all the way back to
the beginning. Yeah, but that gap is so helpful. Though
the gap is helpful, don't you feel a little bit
like you just soaked up the third one differently?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yes, I appreciate it. Even the early stages were before
I couldn't wait to get out this third one. I
kind of have been soaking up every last.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Bit that's really special.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like this. Yeah, you know, you know the rough times
do pass.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, and you know it's your last so at least
for us.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yes, I'm going to that hospital and taking everything out
like the most massive promise ever. But the theme of
like the start of this episode was like we have
a hard time, well, she has a hard time asking
for help. I have to and just pass things because
they feel like when you ask for help and it
doesn't happen, you're just like, this is why I just
(15:30):
need to do everything myself as a guy. And I
please know I'm not stereotyping you at all. Having said that,
I welcome to do with this. You are on a
podcast with three girls. So I just I just feel
like when it comes to again, this is it's different.
I think now with my fiance, like when I when
I ask him for help, it actually gets done, and
(15:54):
it's I'm not used to it.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm like, what do you want?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Like, it's just it's a weird thing, right, But with
my ex husband and it would just never get done.
And so I'm like, well, I just learned and then
not asked for help and I would just do it,
but then I would get it resentful, right because I'm like,
I can't rely on He was like, I've seen this movie,
so like what what husband are you?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What husband do you think you are?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And what husband?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And your wife thank you are cash for?
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Oh well, that's a good one. I'm a good sous chef,
so kids aside. In the kitchen, I'll chop, I'll set
a table, I'll wash dishes. I'm not the most creative
guy in the kitchen, but I'm a good soux chef,
so so that I do know, and with the kids,
I'm I'm super active, you know, because my mom moved
to France when I was six. I was raised by
(16:40):
my dad. He was like my mom and my dad,
and I mean he drove me to school every day,
made my lunch every day, picked me up, took me
to all my sporting and he worked a full time job.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And so you know.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
That's all I know really is to be involved and
to be active. I used to say, I'm gonna go
on a crusade to like kill the two or mister mom.
I'm like, it's just being a dad, Like just just
like be involved, be there, be consistent, and I you know,
I hope my kids feel that. I think Jessica would
(17:14):
say he loves to disappear in his man cave.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He loves.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
If I don't give give him a list of things
to do, he will have no problem watching sports all
day long and et cetera.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But no, I'm super involved.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
That's funny because sorry not to cut you off, but
my husband is also super helpful. But I have to
tell him like it has to be laid out, and
I literally today I send him this meme. It's like
my husband would never cheat on me because I'd have
to plan it for him and remind him.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Of it seventeen times. I literally just sent him that
before this.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yep, that is literally mostualty. Sorry anyway, this might be
too soon to jump into this, but one of the
things that my husband and I talk about in the
list that happens and I'm always like, well, you could
help here, is laundry. And ironically, your undies are in
my laundry room. That is going to be That got
(18:13):
everyone a little more interested.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yes, I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You have dominated my laundry rooms. So do you want
to talk about a Pair of Thieves?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I do.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I started this brand, Pair of Thieves about nine years
ago with two buddies, one kid I went to high
school with and another kid from call They went to
college together. And and our goal with it really was
just to build a new basics brand, something that was comfortable.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
We would borrow trends and kind of uh technical aspects
from the high end market and and and we would
redevelop them in a way that made them more affordable.
And so we're a premium brand, but we're sold in
mass retail. It's called Pair of Thieves. We make underwear,
we make socks, we make t shirts and tenure. You know,
we started the business. I don't know if you guys
(19:01):
get into how much business stuff we started it. We
each invested around fifteen hundred dollars, so a thousand bucks each.
We never raised another dime. We have no investors in
the business, and we'll do around one hundred million this year,
and so it's a it's a really it's turned into
kind of this like underdog brand that like nobody's really
(19:21):
heard of, but it's it's turning into quite a business.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I couldn't be more proud.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, we used to spend a ton on I don't
know if I can mention your competition.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I don't mind.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Isn't that isn't an undies because we oh no, what
was the other one essay XX was?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't know. I used to spend way too much
money on. My husband is a tour musician, and they
would park their bus at Target, and so all of
a sudden, I'm starting to get this influx of a
lot of underwear and I'm like, what is pair of thieves?
And he's like, we're done with sex. We're not spending
another dime. He's like this is crazy. He's like these
are so good and they're so soft, So what how
(19:55):
do you we know how you just move up? But
how do you start from socks? And it worked their
way to Undy's. I just got that. I'm sorry, I
mean I really did want money here. From the toes
to the balls.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, you move from your toes to your balls. I
put on my underwear before my socks. But we started
with socks and then moving down to where we were
looking at the basics category and kind of just basically,
you know, like there is a loyalty with men in
underwear that's different than socks, right, And so if I
open a guy's underwear drawer, there's a really good chance
(20:31):
he's gonna have one brand of underwear in that drawer,
or is in his sock drawer, he's gonna have a
ton of different brands. And so it was it was
really important important for us to get it right. We
always knew we wanted to move into underwear, it was
just a matter of kind of how and when. Because
we were self funded, we had limited resources, limited bandwidth,
and and so we took about two years to develop it.
(20:52):
But by the time it launched, it quickly became our
our number one revenue generator.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And and it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You know, I never thought I would have a business
where I would be waking up to like naked selfies
from friends being like, dude, I'm wearing your ship, and
I'm like, it makes me so happy, it does makes
me so oh.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And where did the Because I get the of socks
start as socks, like the pair of but where where'd
you get the thieves part?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Like who came up with that?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know, like one of your socks always goes missing?
Who steals that sock? So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So yeah, oh gosh, I love that. Good for you?
So how long? How long has this business been going?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Then?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So we launched officially in twenty fourteen, so this is
our ninth year, next our tenth anniversary. Target was our
first retailer, but now we're carried at a wide range
of retailers from Walmart and Target and Amazon to Macy's
and Nordstrums.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
To Meyer fred Meyer.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
We weren't about six thousand stores nationwide.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Now that's incredible. Where you where do you want it
to go?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And then you said you're branching on to other things now,
but it's like, do you want to do brick and mortar,
do you want to do more like clothes like active
wear all that stuff or what do you want?
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yeah, Like, we're not going to turn around and try
to go be a denim brand tomorrow, but we very
much look at ourselves as a lifestyle brand. And so
even though we do playing kind of really limited categories
of socks and underwear and T shirts. We still want
to tell lifestyle stories. So whether that's active, where performance,
where lounge, weear sleepwear, there's a lot of different lanes
(22:32):
that we can kind of expand into. We did women's
for about a year and a half because what we
were over fifty percent of our customers or women, and
so whether that's buying for a man in their house
or that's buying for themselves, we found that a lot
of women are buying our products for themselves, and so
we did launch a women's collection. We it did well,
but we quickly realized we just didn't have enough resources
(22:55):
to really support it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You guys are.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Highly sought after customers with a lot of competition, and
we if we are going to do women's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
We need to do it right.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
And so so we decided to refocus on men's but
would love to go back into women's one day. And
kids were all dads, and so we did this dad
kid matching sock that was like the cutest thing. When
we were looking out there special daughters, there was like
nothing out there for dads and daughters. Everything was like
dads and sons or moms and daughters, and so we
(23:26):
did the dad kid just to make it unisex and
and that was a lot of fun. And so kids
would be fun and women's would be fun, and then
expanding inside of men's.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I love that. Well, you let us know if you
need like a test group.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yes, I know, wadly we.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Have lots of kids, and I definitely remember I think
we did something for parathieves, like. I don't know if
you guys ever did like an influencer thing, but I
kind of I kind of remember, like because I was like,
oh yeah, parathets like and then I think my ex
had them. Anyway, Anyway, we do a lot of influencer stuff,
you know, not primarily, but some of the time it's
around our give back initiative.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
So we have a program called good Fits, which is
our social responsibility kind of branch, and inside of there,
we we've donated close to five million pairs of socks
to families in need with an organization called Baby to Baby.
We are partnered with Bring Change to Mind around mental
health for youth. It's you know, specifically around suicide prevention,
(24:27):
which is just really scary what's going on with kind
of teens and tweens today and then and then lgbt Q.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
With Trevor Project.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
We have a Pride initiative, and so perhaps there was
an engagement around baby to baby or bring change to mind.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I love I love that you also have that aspect
to in the giving back. That's that's always that's nice.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Yeah, And you don't use it really as a marketing
ploy for us. It's really like I'm philanthropic in my
own life. When we were building the brand, I very
much wanted it to be a reflection of us, and
so we picked causes that were near and dear to
our hearts. But with the team expanding, I've told everybody
at the company bring new causes.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
To the table.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
We're always looking to expand what we support, and even
if we're not talking about it publicly, like we're just
we're supporting and we're doing it right. And that's action
speak louder and words. I don't want someone to only
buy our product because of a give back. I want
them to love the products and then be pleasantly surprised
when they find out we're all so helping out.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's kind of a reverse business model for our society though,
because I feel like people love to lead with their
good deeds publicly, So look at you, you sneaky little
angel man.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know the reason was I actually I was like
so many people get for things that they support somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I don't know if I'm allowed.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
To cuss you, I'm sorry, but people get, you know,
get flack for supporting things or you know, you're you're
donating things to shoes to impoverish nations, and next thing
you know, you're getting backlash for not doting and not
donating enough or doing And I just didn't want to.
(26:09):
I would just wanted to do good and not get
not get any pushback.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I'm going to try and word this the right way,
So forgive me if I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Great.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But you are obviously were successful when you met Jessica.
But was there ever a piece of you that you know,
because obviously she's got the honest business and she's Jessica
Alba and she's got, you know, a huge name for herself.
For my own personal past experiences, if I was ever
(26:53):
more successful than the guy, they would say they loved it,
But then it was the thing that was used against me. Well,
I cheated because as it was always about you and
your schedule and this, that and the other. And so
when you kind of walked into this relationship with Jessica,
did you ever feel like it was you know, just
about her?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did? Like as a guy, like, how how did.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You kind of manage that knowing that, like, you know,
she is who she is?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know is a really it's a good question. I
think that.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
It manifest did I would say that yes, there was
definitely there was.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
There was definitely something that like that I felt. I
don't know if it was.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Jealousy towards her, resentment towards her, but when we first
started we've been together twenty years now, so when we
first started dating, I was really jealous of that, like
other guys and the attention that she was getting from
other guys, and and it just wasn't making me feel good.
And it just did Like I was always a pretty
confident person in my own kind of walking my own
(28:05):
path and really really happy there, and next thing, you know,
I'm like looking up and just feeling jealous all the time.
And I was like, I hate feeling like this. I
don't you know, it doesn't make me feel good, and
I know it doesn't make you feel good. And and
we broke up four years in four years into our relationship,
we broke up. It was like just the jealousy I
(28:25):
was turning into an asshole. And and so we broke up.
And and during that that time of part I was
just like, if we ever got back together, like I
I'm promising, I like made a promise to myself to
like channel that into in a different way, into a
more productive way. And so the jealousy towards other guys,
(28:47):
I've never resent I've always always like cheered her. I'm
like her biggest cheerleader. And so I'm I'm I'm I've
never felt jealous of or or kind of resentment towards
her for working hard or if anything we got together,
I was like, you know, like don't make sacrifice, like
push pursue your passion, pursue your careers. Don't make sacrifices
(29:11):
because you feel bad for leaving the kids for this
week or that week, or like.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Eventually they'll grow up and and they'll.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Forget the fact that you were gone for these three
days or these five days.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like we we we.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Live, we forgive, we forget, like you know, And so
I'm a biggest fan I'm a biggest cheerleader. I've I've
tried to be a good teammate in that regard. I'm
not interested in the spotlight. I don't have you know,
I'm not a star. I'm not a you know, I'm
not an actor. I've never tried to be an actor.
(29:46):
It's just I high five her, let her do her thing,
and and I've gotten.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
More comfortable with it over the years. I guess, long,
long answer.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, But you know it makes sense because I just
feel like it can be like hard for the guys.
It's like they like the power and the beauty in
this person, but then it's like, yeah, there comes resentment
and jealousy, and I think it's hard if you're not
secure and who you are in your manhood, Like it
can be challenging. I mean even like it was hard
for me even well well yeah, but I mean even
(30:15):
on the flip side, like when you when we go
do our tours, it's like Preston wants to be the star.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well he yeah, because he is right, but like.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
You deserve to like shine too, you know what I mean.
So it's like having that like balance in like all
of it. Yeah, I mean I felt the resentment, even
just like hanging up my own career to be a
stay at home mom because what he does, you know,
is the PM.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He's the breadwinner. And so I just until we started
doing this, I've just kind of been home and that
was I mean, it's it's it's interesting when you say
those words, because I mean that's just real life and
a very honest response.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's human to feel that way.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, sure, yeah, And I think that it's something they
all like, I'll always be working on She'll always be
working on it. And we find ways where you know,
she can support me and she can uplift me and
kind of help help some of the Yeah, and we try,
we really do try to find that balance. I think
(31:10):
that there is no easy answer. I do think today
different than probably thirty years ago or twenty years ago. Today,
there are a number of households that have that are
two income families where you know, both parties are breadwinners,
both parties are working, you're both parenting.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And so it used to be.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
How do the moms balance career in parenting? And the
dads would never get asked that question. Today, dads also
get asked that question because they recognize that both parents
are probably balancing career and parenting.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
But I mean twenty years is like that's amazing, especially
in the Hollywood, you know world that you guys, Yeah,
exactly what is the thing that works?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Like why you know? Is is it love? Is the communication?
Is it their respect?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Like?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
What is the one thing you can be like this
has been what we've been really really good at?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
What are what is the one thing that we've been
really good at?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And just like keeping that strong foundation of twenty years,
I mean that's a that's a really like that's a
long time.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that
I've thought a lot about recently is like the ebbs
and flows of a relationship. And so like when you
first start dating and you know you're together, and you
get into a fight, you make up right away, and
then you get into a fight, you make up a
couple of days later. And as the longer you're together,
those kind of disagreements or those moments where your energy
(32:34):
is just a little bit off, can those can last longer?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And so it goes from being like a one day
thing to a one week thing to a month, and
then the longer you're together, it actually can last even longer, right,
so you can almost you can go months where your
energy is just off. It's not like you're actively fighting
over those months, but your energy is off, and just
having the patience and the kind of the patience to
(32:59):
know that, like a eventually it starts to come back
together and your energy starts to get back aligned, and
and going through a few of those cycles, I no
longer get his nervous and kind of start looking at
the door, you know, I no longer get his nervous
when when you're drifting apart, so to speak, or you're
kind of your energy's off. I think she's felt very much.
(33:22):
She's a line there. And so when we're going through
those times, we you know, either give each other our
space that we need, we talk it out. We then
you know, maybe go on a date and I, like
you try to like do things to get it back.
And fortunately I've got a partner who's kind of right there.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Lock and step.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I love it. That kind of makes me think of
like you, you know what I mean, Like you're a
situation where it's like you and your she almost divorced
her husband, but like is because it just that resentment
was too many years, like no coming back together like
you can have you had the space, but then it
was no like reconnection.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Well it's interesting, he said, I no longer get scared
because it's like we were married for fifteen years, we
were going to get divorced, but ended up just being
separated for a couple months. But then it's like we've
had a little bit of a cycle now where it
is kind of feeling not now. I would say, like
over the summer that felt that way, And he kind
of made that comment like, well, I'm just like trying
(34:19):
not to get to a point where I'm scared or
like where I'm afraid of you know. So it's interesting,
like you have to talk through that, and because it does,
it can easily just get longer as you're married and
together longer.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
It's interesting to hear that.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you keep your relationship kind of exciting?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, so we've been back together for a year, so
for us, a lot of it is just really the
communication part of it. We just got to a point
where we were not communicating and it was like I
need my space. So he got mad and went over
here to give me my space, you know, and it
was like we couldn't figure out how to come back.
We did figure out how to come back obviously when
(34:58):
we were separated, but now it's just communicating and making
sure that we are doing date nights and just you know,
being more.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But we've got kids.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I mean, I know it's not excuse, but we're kids
are about the same ages as yours, and it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It's busy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It's like, how do we even find time in the
schedule to have a date night? But you know it's important.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I feel it's so scripted to something it does.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I know it's true, and that's a piece like yeah,
as like starting a relationship, I'm like, I don't want
to I'm like, I don't I don't want to fall
into those traps, but I know you're gonna there. There's
gonna be those like holes that you fall into. But
it's like scary because I'm like, I don't want to
mess up again and I don't want to fail again
because I feel like I have like a lot of
pressure riding on like this new beginning. But it's like
(35:41):
but it's also you know, it's life. We're going to
have setbacks and stuff, but they just haven't come yet,
So I'm just like, when are they coming? And I
just want to wear because it's how We're all living
together for nine months, so like you know what I mean,
And I got a baby out of it, so you know,
it's like things are like a little but you know,
I've just you know, but I mean Max and I
were together for seven years and you know, so it's
(36:03):
just it's it's, uh, it's way wildly different than my
last relationship.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Though.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
There's so much more respect in this one, Like we
just he respects me and so then therefore I respect him,
and there was no respect in my last relationship. You know,
I didn't respect his choices and so therefore I spoke
ugly words and was not respectful to him either.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So it was just like such a toxic mess.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And it's like that's why I'm like, let's just be
so careful with our words, because I think anything you
do you can take back, but for me, words you
can't take back. Like if you were to say something
to me like that is like that is what I
remember the most as opposed to your action.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So yeah, He's like, can we go back to These
three shakes have really let me into the sorority. Okay,
so tell us, tell us if you can do anything
for all of life? Your cash worn you. You look
(37:02):
like the sweetest little superman. You look clerk keinnish. You've
got you know this, great wife, three beautiful babies that
are not babies anymore. One's gonna drive soon, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I got a teacher how to drive this year.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh my gosh, how do you learn to drive?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
In La?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Let me ask that question, you pray, just jump in.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
You gotta gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's probably the best place to learn how to drive.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Honestly, woof what were you going to ask them? Well, okay,
so I was going to ask if you could do anything?
If you if you can do anything? Like we just
we say cash now in this moment in time, what
do you want to be when you grow up? Like
you get to entrepreneur anything? What is it? Make anything up? Like,
make anything? It's okay if you're living it too, But
(37:45):
is there something that you're like this is the ultimate
because you've done so many It's like I just told
you my business is one hundred million dollars this year.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You're living it. I am I am, I'm I am,
I am.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
I've been super I started my own business when I
was twenty five years old. So I started working for
myself at twenty five. And I've had tech startups, I've
done documentary producing, I've you know, done digital stuff, and
now I've got a pair of thieves and I've got
(38:20):
a beautiful family. Like, I love being an entrepreneur. I
love starting businesses. Even though I had no idea, I
knew nothing about the apparel industry, I jumped in head first,
like I just love the like taking an idea and
turning it into something tangible, like making it come to fruition,
like is my.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Favorite thing to do.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
And so I love partnering up with really creative people
and like figuring out how do we bottle this and
sell it?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And so.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
I am doing exactly what I would want to do.
I would like to play more golf.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, so get that on the wish list and you
want to enjoy the fruits of it all?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Now, yeah, I would like to do that. Now, Yeah
I've lived. I'm doing it. I feel I feel what
about you? What would you guys be doing?
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's a really isn't that like such a special place
to be though? Really, the contentment piece. It's such a
rare thing for all of us to just sit like
at A girlfriend called me yesterday and I said, her
dad used to say, you're like you answered her call
you just an answer mine? I called, I called you back. Okay, Hey,
does everybody want to We're gonna pin this because when
she's nine weeks, we're just gonna come right back. When
(39:30):
you just call them when I call you and you're like,
mascara's down your face. So my girlfriend yesterday, her dad
always says you're living the best days of your life
and you don't even know it. And I told her
yesterday was the first time I really have felt that
I've pulled back in the Nashville circle a little. Like
I'm a country wife, so there's a lot of that,
(39:52):
and I've just kind of have gone like what is
important to me, Like who are my real people? Pour
into my real people, spend time with my real people,
do things, enjoy but like it's a really special place
to be in where you're just I said, I'm I
just feel like I'm living the best days of my life. Yeah,
well every day we're allowed and breathing is you know. Yeah,
But like I keep saying, we live in such an
(40:13):
unsatisfied society as kind of a whole that I feel
like we're always like what's next, what's bigger, what's next?
You know, and sometimes it's okay to say you just
want to play golf. I would love a babysitter. So
since we're just putting things into the universe, I can
get you a babysitter.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Canter. Yeah, we have some good folks in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Well, Cash, anytime you and Jess are here, called her.
Just you know that we're like money. Whenever you guys
roll in and whenever here in Nashville, let me know,
let us know, and you guys can Bill will take
you out on the town. But everyone who's listening, go
buy Para Thieves for your for your hobby, and and
(40:54):
Cash says thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So I certainly do. Yeah. Our head of sales, Michael
Cole get a shout out to Michael Whole. He lives
in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, well I need to talk to him. Was missending
a lot of money on your brand and I would
love to support. But if there's a way that you
guys could cover our ass too, that would be great.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I really love you, buddy, I will gladly do that
the best.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Thank you, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Thank thank you so much for having me. I can't
wait to meet a person.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You'll make a tea time buddy. We love you. Oh
my god, I love him. We were so today. I
know he's like, oh well he has daughters. I love him.
You guys, He's just good and I'm just likeding my
cheeks hurt from smiling. Well because he smiled. He's you
(41:43):
guys are happy. Speaking of which, because I know my
looks keep getting published on this podcast. My reaction, Yes,
this brought to you by I was kidding, bubbly, hi you.
I love that. By the way they look here you
hey you. I always say I feel like he has
resting happy face, but he's in like a happy yeah
(42:07):
one thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
But also when we were doing the interview, I'm like,
you know how you thought like Amy's relationship is perfect?
Like when I look at him, I'm like, he looks
like the best husband. There are things and he even
said that, right, but don't even like it's like they
just look like the.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Happiest, go luckiest, Like I'm like, what helpful.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Are still the most from like y'all are like still
romanticizing about me. We are hopeless, hopeless romantic YEA.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Well, I kind of feel like I'm still in that
because I'm still in that season with my with.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
My Maybe it'll always be that way. It'd be great.
I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't know, TVD, TBD. Well, you, guys,
I'm kidnapping my husband this week in for his birthday.
It's a surprise and he doesn't know it. Sweet, oh
good this weekend? Ye, where are you going? Just it's close.
(43:02):
We're just going to stay close, but a little overnight
and some dinner and because I need it, so I'm
disguising it as a birthday gift to him. You have
a babysitter. I do. I have a do and a baby.
Two alarms different one. Al Right, guys, good luck with that,
have fun and see you next week. Bye bye,
Host
Jana Kramer
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