September 9, 2024 • 32 mins
Jana is hanging out with Kristin Kreuk (from Smallville) who’s taking on a totally different story with her new show “Murder in a Small Town”!
Kristin reveals how she’s stayed out of media drama over the years and somehow avoided having a publicist.
Plus, Jana reveals how things might play out in the upcoming One Tree Hill reboot!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi girl, Hi, it's just Us today. Just us too,
Got anything for me?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I am curious whether Jace is riding the school bus
or not. I need like updates in life.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
So I ask them in the morning. I say when
I am able to write, like when Alan is like tomorrow,
I won't be able to drive them just because it
is during Roman's naptime and when he's gone, he's got
to go to New York, in Chicago, those places, and
so I'll say when he's here though, and I'm able
(00:42):
to take them, I'll be like, hey, guys, do you
want Mamy to drive you to school today? And they
always say yes when I do ask, And then when
it comes to the pickup times, sometimes I'm able to
sometimes i'm not. Like today I asked the other day
They're like, no, we'll drive home, ride at home. Okay,
but too they wanted me to pick up so and
then today I'm picking up. So it's kind of like
(01:03):
whenever it's it's just a little mix. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Has it been better on the bus?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah? Good? I think so. I mean they haven't really
wrote it that much, right, like the holiday, so it's
like the only word they were only really wrote it
the one. Yeah, But well I think that's good. Yeah,
so I think it's just a little bit of and
it's funny. This one girl DM me and was like,
you know, you shouldn't just listen to what Alan says
and you know, don't lose your voice. I'm like, first
and foremost, i will never lose my voice in anything,
like I'm their mama, like you know, because they were like,
(01:30):
the decision should between the mom and the dad. I'm like,
but I'm also open to hearing other people's opinions. You know,
she wasn't being mean. She was just basically being like,
you know, well I didn't read it, doesn't mean, but
she was basically saying, don't let the stepdad come in
and make the decisions, Like, how would you feel if
my hat? I was like, he's not making the decisions
when it comes to But I'm also open to hearing
(01:53):
people's opinions of what they think and bringing in my
partner because normally I just control the situation, right Instead,
what I'm trying to do different is to open the
conversation to everyone.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, it's a right to have an opinion on that
or he doesn't necessarily make the final call. Of course,
we know you would never want him to feel like
he doesn't have a voice in those.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Kinds of one thousand or so.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, and you asked our opinion too. Yeah, and that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think it's I I like to hear people's opinions
with U. I have a even though you guys say
I'm pretty I have Like with the wedding dress. You know,
it's like, yes, I knew what I wanted, but I
still sure.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Also, yeah, you always want opinions, but it's like when
we showed up and like, no, you know what you want?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, but I don't know exactly what one right? Right?
Maybe I don't know, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, I don't think that's a bad thing to get.
But anyway, Okay, I just needed an update to see
how it was going for sweet Jase.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
What else you got?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, he's doing great. Sweet, You're so funny, Kat,
because I told you something of Mike and now I
just hear like prodding.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But I don't think I don't get.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The full story. I know, I just don't know if
I want to talk about it. It's tricky because I
just don't know. I don't know. It's like it's volve
Stolie and I also want to respect her stuff. But
I think it was a really good conversation, Like it
was a really good teaching moment that we were able
to have together, which is awesome. So that's where it's,
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you know, I don't know because I don't want to.
I also don't want to shed light in a bad way.
I just don't know. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, it's hard, I think you I don't Again, I
don't know the full story. But I think what's hard
is that all of our kids are going to do
things that we're really proud of, and they're going to
do things that are a teaching moment or things that
they necessarily shouldn't do.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'm so sorry, but there's not a child out there
that's not going to do something at some point that
we have to teach is not the correct thing to do.
I do not know what the situation is, but I
know that we all have those situations, right, and especially
with that good point age, I mean, they have to
learn what's what's not, what's right, what's wrong, how to
(04:08):
handle different situations right. So if you choose to share,
because I understand not it is your child, it is
you know. I mean there have been times I've shared
things on here I'm like, maybe I shouldn't about you know.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But also I.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Do understand that these kinds of conversations are good to
hear as moms, to know we're not the only ones
that go through those true teaching moments.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But you can put a pin in it if you want.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, it's fine, I'll say. I think my fear is
I don't want anyone to say that she's a bully
because she's like the farthest thing from sure. She's so like, yeah,
her her heart is the so beautiful, she just okay, well,
I guess I'll okay, I'll say, just because you're right
with that point where it is, well, we're.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Also very quick to say that someone that people are
bullies too. I mean, bullies are bullies.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Let me say, I'm I'm not standing up for any bullies,
but sometimes when a situation happens, we have to separate
that kids are going to make bad decisions, that doesn't
necessarily make them a bully.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, well, right, And that's why I don't know that
because I don't think in that moment she was I
just yeah, yeah, worried about that because that would just
like break my heart because that's not the case. If
someone were to put up like a headline, that would
just break my heart. But okay, so we were at
softball and she's so good at I mean, she's amazing,
(05:30):
she's you know, just killing it. I feel like she
finally found her thing and she's super confident with it
and she you know, she was first up to bat
and she makes a hit. It's great, she scores, gets
a run or whatever. And then she goes out to
shortstop and something happens. There's an altercation that happens, and
(05:54):
I don't know about this until after the game, so
between her and another girl, but I didn't again, I
didn't even like, I didn't even see it anything. So
then I see a girl come over to talk to
the coaches, to Taylor and Pam, and she's like pointing
at somebody in the thing. So I'm like, oh, something
must have happened, not even registering that like it's Joli
(06:15):
or whatever. And so then Jolie goes up to bat
and I could tell she was like a little off.
And this is the first time all season she's struck out,
like she hit too, which one calls a foul balls
but then struck out. I see her walking back to
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the cage and she's got tears in her eyes, and
all I know is that she's just upset that she
totally struck out, and so I go back there. I'm like, baby,
great job, great hits. Those are really strong, and she's
just like, Mommy, I need to talk to you, and
her eyes are like welling up, and I was like, honey,
just because again, I'm just thinking it's because she didn't hit.
I'm like, just because you didn't hit, it's okay, baby,
(06:57):
like your great job and you got two foul like
you actually hit. But yeah, there were fouls and people
strike out all the time. This is just because the
first time you didn't. She's like, Mommy, I need to
talk to you, but I don't want to talk to
you about it in here, and I was like, well,
are you hurt? She said no. I said, okay, can
it wait till after the game, because I also like,
there's a game, bring on, you know, I don't want
it to be like okay, honey, like you know, like
she also needs to know that she just now support
(07:19):
her team, and I'm just thinking, again, it's about the things.
So I said, are you hurt? No, Okay, So I'm
I'm like, all right, go cheer on, you know, cheer
on your team. Well, she's sitting there crying, and I'm
and again, all I know is that she's mad about
striking out. So I'm like, Jolie, get it together. Cheer
on your team, you know. Right now, I'm just thinking
that she's like she's pouting, pounding about it because you know,
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she didn't do good for the first time. So and
then Mike went over there too, because I was like,
this is where we are, just like no, no, no,
like you support your team, yeah, dry the eyes. I
know you can be disappointed, but like that's just where
I don't like. I don't like that. So then it
happens again the third time, and she's just like unraveling.
(08:02):
And then at the end of the game, I see
the girl come up and Jolie comes out crying, and
then I was like, oh my gosh, what happened. But
I also saw the girl doing stuff on the sidelines
too that I was just kind of like, you know,
observing or whatever. And she puts up an L sign
on her head to Jolie and I was like, so,
(08:24):
I go to Pama, what did she just call her
a loser? Pam's like, we'll talk about in the car.
And I was like, no, what happened because I need
to read, have to like address this. And she's like,
Jolie did and I was like what, oh, no, she was,
but don't say anything, like she doesn't even she doesn't
even know what she did. And I'm like, well, I
have to say something because she can't just go around
like doing that to other kids. She's like, she doesn't
(08:46):
even know. Just don't say a thing. I was like, Pam,
I'm going to say something to my child. You know.
I won't stay in the car. I'm not gonna yell
at her. But likes to talk about it, you know.
So we go home and you know, I was like, hey, girl,
are you ready to you know, tell me what you
want to talk to me about? In the dugout and
she starts crying and I'm like what are the tears for?
(09:06):
And she's like, I go what are your feelings right now?
She's like I feel sad, and I'm like, okay, why
do you feel sad, She's said, because of the situation.
And I said, okay, I said, do you have any
other feelings? She's like, I feel nervous, and I was like, way,
why do you feel nervous. She's like, I feel like
you're I'm nervous because I think you're gonna be mad
at me. And I'm like, well, let's just have a conversation.
Thank you for sharing your feelings, you know. So we start.
(09:26):
She starts telling me she said she was playing shortstop
and the girl and at this point they had more
points than us. We ended up winning, but that's the
point I just had to say. But at the time
they were winning, and the girl said, this is so
easy to the girls on the other team. The girl
on the other team, God, this is too easy. You
girls aren't good. And Jolie said, and then she goes, well,
(09:50):
and I go, then, what did you say when you
heard that? And she goes, I don't remember, and I'm like, Jolie,
what did you say? She's like, I think I just
went like and she goes, and then we expe and
then we exchanged some not nice words and I was like,
what were then not you exchange? And the word exchanged
I know. I was like, what do you mean you exchanged?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Were?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
What were the words you exchanged? She's like, I don't remember.
She's like, but then I went like this and night
she put her and I go, okay, baby, I was like,
do you know what that means? And she's like yes,
So it goes where did you see that? Where did
you hear that? You know? She's like, I don't remember.
I think on a show or a boy or something.
And I said, okay. I was like, how would you
feel if someone did that to you? I was like,
(10:30):
that wouldn't really feel good, would it? And that's not nice?
And she's like, I know. She's like I just so
then we started talking about how to control our choices
and the choices that we make, and we are in
control of our choices, so she no matter if it's
a girl at second base or your brother or whatever.
I was like, how we control our choices after that,
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and what we do we are in control of. So
your brother can be annoying and doing all these things.
You have a choice do either walk away to not
say anything to you? Know. I'm like, which choice do
you think is the right choice to make?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So that was like the conversation. Yeah, but I mean
she was like, I feel so bad.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I mean the fact that she was crying about doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, it's so upset. And then the girl was
really sweet. She's like, I accept your apology like it was.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think that's such a See that's, to me, is
such a teaching moment. Obviously we don't want our kids
to do those things, right, but especially in sports like that,
stuff's only going to get worse. Kids are going to
start talking so much crap on the other side as
they get older, and they have to learn how to
handle that. And I mean, even as my kids are older,
like you know, they want to say things back when
(11:39):
people are being mean, you know, And I mean, and
sometimes speaking up not in that kind of way, but
speaking up for yourself isn't always a bad thing also,
depending on how you handle it. It's just I think
that was a really good learning lesson.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, sure, And I said, like if someone was saying
something you know, was always you don't always have to
walk away, Like just like we say to Jace, like
please stop that. I don't like that exactly expressing what
you but then that's when you stop. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So,
I mean I didn't love the situation, but I loved
the conversation we had, Like it really we were able
to just have the best conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it's such an age for all of that, and
like these lessons and like, well now she's.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Getting competitive too with it all, you know, so editive,
all all are two. Yeah, but we also am like
all right there. I'm like, it's only going to get worse,
like you said, like, these kids are only going to
start talking.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh my gosh, I'll never forget one time. This was
actually against a ref, but Cayden was playing basketball. This
is a couple of years ago. Super competitive, never talks
trash on them. I mean he wants to at times,
trust me, but he's you know, he's pretty good at that.
But he was arguing with a ref in the middle
of a basketball game and I stood up in the.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Middle of a gym so everyone can hear you.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I stood up and I said absolutely not and let's
get over here, and.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
He just like stared at meal. We ever read the
entire gym. I'm and he was so embarrassed. I was like, well,
that taught him not to argue with the ref.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Not the ref for the coach. You know, you got
to have respects.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, these lessons, man, got lessons.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, totally, Like you said, all all about the last week.
All right, right it is. But another news. Did you
see One Tree Hills having a reboot?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I thought, so, is it official?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah? Netflix is doing it.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Who is signed on to do it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hillary and Sophia. I think their characters are coming back
as moms and oh, I don't know who's. I had
spoken to Hillary about it about Alex making an appearance
when I knew about it, because she had. We had
discussed it before the news broke a couple like it
was probably like a month or so ago. I think
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their intention is to bring back the people that make sense.
And she's like, I never Hillary was like, I never
got to meet Alex, so it'd be fun to have
us meet, And I'm like I would love that. Yeah,
sign me up. We'll see t beaud. But speaking of
shows and hit shows, we've got Kristin Kreuk coming on.
She is an actress. Obviously, she was on Smallville, one
(14:10):
of my faiths. So she's got a new show coming
out called Murder in a Small Town. Let's get her on. Well, Hey, girl, Hello,
you look beautiful. Thank you looks so pretty? Just like
(14:33):
thank you, thank you. There she is, I'm my wet
wet dog. I'm like, you look lovely. I put on
the skirt, this is this is this is pretty dress.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm like normally it's like I just was straight from
her workout, but I mean, hello, you look gorgeous. I
have to first say that Smallville was one of those
shows for me where my brother and I it was
kind of are one thing that we watched the same, like,
we watched it together. And I graduated in two thousand
and two and so I moved to California and he
(15:07):
was in Michigan and that was our connection show. Yeah,
and it was, you know, something that he liked. I
liked him like, hey do you watch small Vill last night?
And I just and I've always kind of tied you
into that, like that family, you know, like just I'm
always like, she's beautiful, she's great, you know, So every
time I always thought of you, it kind of reminds
(15:28):
me of that connection that I had with my brother.
So thanks for the you know, for being on an
awesome show that people were able to come together and
have that connection.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's so lovely. I hear I hear that a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's actually a show that, you know, when I talk
to talk to people, they often say it was something
they watched with their parent or with their grandparent, or
nowadays there's little kids that come up and they're watching
it with their parents. So it's I love that it
has provided that kind of connection for people.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's so sweet. So that's cranky for sharing?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, no, of course, But isn't that crazy Like when people,
you know, I will get girls that are like fourteen fifteen,
I'm like how They're like, oh, I watched on one
tre Hill. I'm like, how did you like what? And
I forget like the streamers, like everyone's rewatching all these
shows and it's like it's kind of great, But I mean,
what's your take on it?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think it's amazing. I mean it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And because we don't make shows in the same way anymore,
we're not doing twenty something episodes of season for however
many years, there just isn't as much content available.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
If you love a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
World, our old shows, the ones we were on, kind
of provide that for people. You can like get pulled
into this world of friends and be with them for years.
So it's quite I mean, I think it's lovely. It's
lovely that people get to share the things that they
love with each other.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, and it's like our age, you know, it's like
we grew up watching these shows and now we're older
and we miss that, and we're having kids and now
we're watching it with our kids. And it's so cool
to see the resurgences of so many shows. And it's
like I grew up watching you know, I was in
my twenties watching One Tree Hill, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Like, how are all these young girls watching this show now?
But I'm like, oh, maybe me and my daughter should
watch it, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But like I also miss the world of twenty plus
shows like today I love TV and it's so boring
to me, and like, how long do we have to wait?
First of all, we won't get very many episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, and it it looks light now or something to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Get like eight episodes, and it's like, all right, so
I'm gonna wait for two years to see if this
show is going to come back to have more.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
True, It's true, it's a totally different model and we're
all adjusting to it. But there is something. I mean,
back back in the old days, if we wanted to
see something that we loved, we had to dig for it.
We had to go back and try and find it
if there was a VHS or a DVD or whatever
it was, and it was challenging. But now you can
love so many different things and it's available kind of
(17:43):
right at your fingertips, which I suppose is great in
some ways. I'm not so great in others, but but yes,
I do there. I was talking on a panel the
other day and people are craving that old model where
you get to have shows that go for a long time,
that have any episodes, where you don't have to wait
two years for it to get produced again. And I'm
(18:05):
curious to see if we start heading in that direction again.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So I kind of have a little bit of a
two sides to it, Like, you know, they just announced
the One Tree Hill reboot, which on one side, I'm like, yay,
I hope you know, I would love to be back
on it. And also as a viewer of the show
or viewer of shows I like new things, like That's
why I'm excited. Like, of course I'm going to ask you,
(18:30):
like would you want to do a reboot of small
but small Ville if they do it. But like the
fact that, you know, I like new content, and it's
like I get that they want to recycle the things
that work right, like they have the fan base, but
I want to see new shows like I want. I
don't know, I just am like.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I think it's just somehow it's done too.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If if you're are you taking off where you left off?
You know, or you I just think I have to
see how it's done, to see if it's new and
interesting or if it just feels like you're watching the
same thing again and it's not interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And I love I love a new like a new thing.
Like as much as I love Scandal, I'd love a
news But I'm like, I'm also like, give me it,
give me a murder in a small town, you know
what I mean, Like, give me something else that like
isn't the same thing, a different storyline. Like as much
as I love Ozark, I don't actually want another Ozark
or a ted Lasso, like you know what I mean, Like,
I just give me something different. So I mean, here's
the question, would you do the reboke because that seems
(19:26):
to be you know what everyone's talking about when those
shows have worked so well.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We talk about this a lot amongst ourselves on the
small Ville cast, and there's always been this idea booting
around of an animated series.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So I like the idea of it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
If, like you said, we're doing this kind of building
upon something, or we're in a different place, we're not
revisiting the same things that we've done already, and with
something like Smallville, we can't. Because Smallville itself was based
on the puberty of Clark Kent, That's what it was.
It was about this kid in high school. This man
(20:02):
is no longer a child. He is, you know, a
grown man, and we would be looking at new, new
ideas and all of these characters would be in different places.
But again, is that the thing I want the most
in the world, that I want to see the most?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Maybe not?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You know, something fresh, something new, something reflective of the times.
I think that that's more engaging to me. But I'm
hesitant to draw a hardline on that because I mean,
there's wonderful stuff that's come out.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right, And how did did did Fox come to you
with Murder in small Town? Or how did this project
come about.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It's actually a funny story. In about twenty twenty one,
I was at home in Toronto, it's where I was
living at the time, and Tina Pem and Kim Roberts,
who on the company CPF Films, came to me. I
had worked with them on a movie a million years
ago called Partition, and they were like, we have this show,
which at that time was called Alberg, and they wanted
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to know if I would come on and produce with
them and act in the role that I act in now.
And I had at that time, I had a whole
bunch of stuff going on. I was getting a degree,
I was doing all these things, and I said no.
And then it came back around when I had moved
back to Vancouver, and so I wanted to work with them.
And Ian Weir, who wrote the first show I ever
acted in when I was seventeen years old, and he
(21:19):
writes on this show and I ended up auditioning for
it and you know, and doing it. So that's that's
how this one came about. It was kind of a funny,
serendipitous situation.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I love that love a good full circle. But I
feel like you, like when I hear your name and
the things that you've done. I feel like you've done
a really good job not getting into the drama of
media and Hollywood, and you know, you're I don't know
much about your life. I don't know, you know. Even
(21:52):
I was like, is she married? She's like, I was like,
I don't because you've done such a good job not
being in the public eye. Was that intentional? And yea
to this day, like I'm like, are you even on Instagram?
Like I don't know. It's like because now it's like
I feel like all celebrities, they're very touchable, like you
can you can connect with them, you know who they are,
like you know things. But it's like, but there's such
a beautiful mystery within you that I'm like, okay, like
(22:14):
what is your story? And is that very intentional? That
that that's how you you know, was that intentional plan? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yes, I mean when I came up and when Smallville
came out in two thousand and one, it was a
different environment. You know, this the world was a different place,
and I it freaked me out. Being in the public
eye scared me. It was something I had to really
adjust to. And I and I at a certain point,
(22:44):
I started to back off a little bit because it
didn't it didn't feel safe. And I've never lived in
the States. I've always lived in Canada. I've kept a
very private life and I do have Instagram, but I
use it mostly to you know, show pictures of nice
hikes and books that I'm reading and promote shows. It's
not something where I share a lot of my private
(23:06):
self on So yeah, it has been intentional. And I mean,
I've never had a personal publicist ever, and I've been
in this business since I was seventeen and I turned
forty to forty two this year, so I just have
never done it, and it still feels like the right
the right choice for me. I'm sure that it has
(23:30):
hindered my career in a bunch of ways, but I
think that that that has felt right.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
It sounds peaceful, it does. I really would love that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Can we keep up?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I know if I I mean, it would be so nice.
Like looking back, I'm like, when did I and I
know when I started to share more, But yeah, it's
it's it's insane. So that's a that's a beautiful thing
and I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But sharing also is gorgeous. There's something special about learning
so much about people's lives and having control over that
because when we first came up, that wasn't an option.
You didn't have that control. You were dependent entirely on
all of these powers that be to tell your story
for you. And now you can tell your own story
and you can share what you want and people can
(24:18):
connect to that, and I also think that's gorgeous. It's
just deciding what's right and where the boundaries lie for
each of us individually.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, that's true, and helping people, you know, like that's yeah,
I love that aspect of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well, that's such a good point because I can remember
back when you had a record deal and it was
the beginning of all of this sharing, and everyone had
an opinion and including me, including people, what you should share,
what you shouldn't share. And that's when you kind of
decided when that was over, to take it on yourself
and decide yourself what you could share, which is a
beautiful thing as well, because you've got control over it. Yeah,
(24:51):
which is really hard used to be very hard in
this industry. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I can remember meetings.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Do you not need to share this?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I wasn't allowed to wear my hair up. My hair
had to be down. I mean, oh yeah, yeah, no,
it's not you no, but they're like, hare has to
be down, Like what is the world is? What is this? Was?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Your hair was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Couldn't cut my hair, couldn't And they always referenced felicity,
you know, when Carrie Russell cut her hair.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's insane, that's so crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Maybe it had something to do with the hair.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Who knows, I might have Lord, I do want to
bring up the and if it's okay, the nexium stuff.
I had worked on a because I worked on a
(25:50):
show with Sarah years ago and then when she yeah, yeah,
so we were in We're filming a movie in Vancouver
and she played like my friend in the movie and
she was so lovely and we were kind of talking
about I had just gotten back together with my husband
who had an affair, and she was telling me about
this you know, nexium and how you know it's it's
(26:15):
very self help, and it was one of those things
where I was like, man, this sounds great. And then
when I was reading about kind of your story with it,
and that's kind of what you were also spoken to
that it was more of like the self help because
I was even like, yeah, girl, tell me more about it,
because it sounds like that's what I need, Like I need, like,
you know, just a support and a community. And I remember,
you know, talking to her post everything came out and
(26:36):
I'm just like whoa, Like it must have been such
a whiplash, you know, for you too, because because from
what I read that you didn't know about everything else,
like behind the scenes of what was actually going on.
But was that did that kind of because obviously you
went into it for the for the self help aspect
of this. From what I read, was it hard for
(26:56):
you then to find a path that you could trust
in that self help journey?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Interesting? I mean, I mean I never talk about this,
but I am.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sorry here, I am trying to take the She's trying
to be private, and I'm like, open the door.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
No I have I can tell you certain aspects of this,
but I yeah, I was very shy. As I alluded
to earlier in this, I spent many years on Smallville
reading books in a corner and that was the way
that I could get through the day. I just anyway,
So when it came to this kind of I mean,
(27:33):
and Sarah Edmondson brought it to me as well as
she did to you, and I was like, this is
a wonderful way to, you know, work through limitations. And
I didn't want to do it, and I was in
a relationship at the time and he wanted to and
so it was something that I did and and honestly,
(27:54):
it did work. I was able to change siggnificantly and
it lasted, and those issues that I had, I don't
have in the same way anymore. That said, I was
lucky in that I never got too deep inside of it.
(28:16):
I never lived in Albany. I always had a career
and a family and friends and you know, reasons why
I left are personal, but yeah, it was. It was
a challenge to reconcile all of it, although I didn't
(28:37):
feel like unlike Sarah, who is there until the very
end and is the reason why a lot of this
fell apart. Thank God, I was gone long before and
I didn't have a lot of ties to people, so
it was less of a I don't know, it was
less the grappling was less intense, although it was brutal
(28:58):
and devastating and sad to hear what had been happening
and to know what had been going on behind the scenes.
And that's something that I think about often, and I'm
so I feel so lucky that I wasn't more impacted,
(29:23):
like so many people were, so many women. Really it
was the women who There were many men of this company,
many many men, but none of them really were impacted
in the way that the women were, both through being
inside of it and also through the way they were
treated in the press.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
On both sides.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
This was a salacious case that people ate up, and
I think it was harmful to a lot of people
and has made me really question a lot of true
crime and a lot of that kind of content as
revictimizing people. And yeah, so I guess I guess that
answers it.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
What would you say, murder in a small town? If
it was like, if you could merge two shows together,
what is the vibe of the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Show merge two shows together? I mean, that's challenging, but
it is. It is about a small community. So it
is about a beautiful, lovely, small community in a gorgeous
setting that has an episodic generally an episodic murder at
it's at its heart, and it's also a love story.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So it is.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's hard for me to think of like two specific shows,
but it is a fun, charming, engaging, and heartfelt series
about a community of people.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
H I want to watch it.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I love that and I love everything that you do.
Where I mean, is there anything else that you what's
the biggest kind of takeaway from the last like learning
those new things about yourself that you carry on with
you today.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I think the biggest thing that I learned is Gosh,
that's hard to encapsulate, but I do believe that it
is around really recognizing where my fears come up and
seeing what they are tied to. If they are linked
to something that is real that is happening in the
(31:26):
present moment, or if it's something that I have that
I'm pulling up from my childhood or from other experiences
I've had, if I'm dealing with something that's actually happening
in the moment, or if I'm dealing with something that
is not present in reality, and being able to parse
that out and analyze it in the moment so that
(31:47):
I can feel more free.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Love that, Well, thank you so much. Everyone watch Murder
in a Small Town premiering Tuesday, September twenty fourth on Fox.
Thank you so much, appreciate you coming on. Thank you,
thank you sn
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi girl, Hi, it's just Us today. Just us too,
Got anything for me?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I am curious whether Jace is riding the school bus
or not. I need like updates in life.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
So I ask them in the morning. I say when
I am able to write, like when Alan is like tomorrow,
I won't be able to drive them just because it
is during Roman's naptime and when he's gone, he's got
to go to New York, in Chicago, those places, and
so I'll say when he's here though, and I'm able
(00:42):
to take them, I'll be like, hey, guys, do you
want Mamy to drive you to school today? And they
always say yes when I do ask, And then when
it comes to the pickup times, sometimes I'm able to
sometimes i'm not. Like today I asked the other day
They're like, no, we'll drive home, ride at home. Okay,
but too they wanted me to pick up so and
then today I'm picking up. So it's kind of like
(01:03):
whenever it's it's just a little mix. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Has it been better on the bus?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah? Good? I think so. I mean they haven't really
wrote it that much, right, like the holiday, so it's
like the only word they were only really wrote it
the one. Yeah, But well I think that's good. Yeah,
so I think it's just a little bit of and
it's funny. This one girl DM me and was like,
you know, you shouldn't just listen to what Alan says
and you know, don't lose your voice. I'm like, first
and foremost, i will never lose my voice in anything,
like I'm their mama, like you know, because they were like,
(01:30):
the decision should between the mom and the dad. I'm like,
but I'm also open to hearing other people's opinions. You know,
she wasn't being mean. She was just basically being like,
you know, well I didn't read it, doesn't mean, but
she was basically saying, don't let the stepdad come in
and make the decisions, Like, how would you feel if
my hat? I was like, he's not making the decisions
when it comes to But I'm also open to hearing
(01:53):
people's opinions of what they think and bringing in my
partner because normally I just control the situation, right Instead,
what I'm trying to do different is to open the
conversation to everyone.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, it's a right to have an opinion on that
or he doesn't necessarily make the final call. Of course,
we know you would never want him to feel like
he doesn't have a voice in those.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Kinds of one thousand or so.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, and you asked our opinion too. Yeah, and that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I think it's I I like to hear people's opinions
with U. I have a even though you guys say
I'm pretty I have Like with the wedding dress. You know,
it's like, yes, I knew what I wanted, but I
still sure.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Also, yeah, you always want opinions, but it's like when
we showed up and like, no, you know what you want?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, but I don't know exactly what one right? Right?
Maybe I don't know, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, I don't think that's a bad thing to get.
But anyway, Okay, I just needed an update to see
how it was going for sweet Jase.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
What else you got?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You know, he's doing great. Sweet, You're so funny, Kat,
because I told you something of Mike and now I
just hear like prodding.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But I don't think I don't get.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The full story. I know, I just don't know if
I want to talk about it. It's tricky because I
just don't know. I don't know. It's like it's volve
Stolie and I also want to respect her stuff. But
I think it was a really good conversation, Like it
was a really good teaching moment that we were able
to have together, which is awesome. So that's where it's,
(03:24):
you know, I don't know because I don't want to.
I also don't want to shed light in a bad way.
I just don't know. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, it's hard, I think you I don't Again, I
don't know the full story. But I think what's hard
is that all of our kids are going to do
things that we're really proud of, and they're going to
do things that are a teaching moment or things that
they necessarily shouldn't do.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I'm so sorry, but there's not a child out there
that's not going to do something at some point that
we have to teach is not the correct thing to do.
I do not know what the situation is, but I
know that we all have those situations, right, and especially
with that good point age, I mean, they have to
learn what's what's not, what's right, what's wrong, how to
(04:08):
handle different situations right. So if you choose to share,
because I understand not it is your child, it is
you know. I mean there have been times I've shared
things on here I'm like, maybe I shouldn't about you know.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But also I.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Do understand that these kinds of conversations are good to
hear as moms, to know we're not the only ones
that go through those true teaching moments.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But you can put a pin in it if you want.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, it's fine, I'll say. I think my fear is
I don't want anyone to say that she's a bully
because she's like the farthest thing from sure. She's so like, yeah,
her her heart is the so beautiful, she just okay, well,
I guess I'll okay, I'll say, just because you're right
with that point where it is, well, we're.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Also very quick to say that someone that people are
bullies too. I mean, bullies are bullies.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Let me say, I'm I'm not standing up for any bullies,
but sometimes when a situation happens, we have to separate
that kids are going to make bad decisions, that doesn't
necessarily make them a bully.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, well, right, And that's why I don't know that
because I don't think in that moment she was I
just yeah, yeah, worried about that because that would just
like break my heart because that's not the case. If
someone were to put up like a headline, that would
just break my heart. But okay, so we were at
softball and she's so good at I mean, she's amazing,
(05:30):
she's you know, just killing it. I feel like she
finally found her thing and she's super confident with it
and she you know, she was first up to bat
and she makes a hit. It's great, she scores, gets
a run or whatever. And then she goes out to
shortstop and something happens. There's an altercation that happens, and
(05:54):
I don't know about this until after the game, so
between her and another girl, but I didn't again, I
didn't even like, I didn't even see it anything. So
then I see a girl come over to talk to
the coaches, to Taylor and Pam, and she's like pointing
at somebody in the thing. So I'm like, oh, something
must have happened, not even registering that like it's Joli
(06:15):
or whatever. And so then Jolie goes up to bat
and I could tell she was like a little off.
And this is the first time all season she's struck out,
like she hit too, which one calls a foul balls
but then struck out. I see her walking back to
(06:35):
the cage and she's got tears in her eyes, and
all I know is that she's just upset that she
totally struck out, and so I go back there. I'm like, baby,
great job, great hits. Those are really strong, and she's
just like, Mommy, I need to talk to you, and
her eyes are like welling up, and I was like, honey,
just because again, I'm just thinking it's because she didn't hit.
I'm like, just because you didn't hit, it's okay, baby,
(06:57):
like your great job and you got two foul like
you actually hit. But yeah, there were fouls and people
strike out all the time. This is just because the
first time you didn't. She's like, Mommy, I need to
talk to you, but I don't want to talk to
you about it in here, and I was like, well,
are you hurt? She said no. I said, okay, can
it wait till after the game, because I also like,
there's a game, bring on, you know, I don't want
it to be like okay, honey, like you know, like
she also needs to know that she just now support
(07:19):
her team, and I'm just thinking, again, it's about the things.
So I said, are you hurt? No, Okay, So I'm
I'm like, all right, go cheer on, you know, cheer
on your team. Well, she's sitting there crying, and I'm
and again, all I know is that she's mad about
striking out. So I'm like, Jolie, get it together. Cheer
on your team, you know. Right now, I'm just thinking
that she's like she's pouting, pounding about it because you know,
(07:41):
she didn't do good for the first time. So and
then Mike went over there too, because I was like,
this is where we are, just like no, no, no,
like you support your team, yeah, dry the eyes. I
know you can be disappointed, but like that's just where
I don't like. I don't like that. So then it
happens again the third time, and she's just like unraveling.
(08:02):
And then at the end of the game, I see
the girl come up and Jolie comes out crying, and
then I was like, oh my gosh, what happened. But
I also saw the girl doing stuff on the sidelines
too that I was just kind of like, you know,
observing or whatever. And she puts up an L sign
on her head to Jolie and I was like, so,
(08:24):
I go to Pama, what did she just call her
a loser? Pam's like, we'll talk about in the car.
And I was like, no, what happened because I need
to read, have to like address this. And she's like,
Jolie did and I was like what, oh, no, she was,
but don't say anything, like she doesn't even she doesn't
even know what she did. And I'm like, well, I
have to say something because she can't just go around
like doing that to other kids. She's like, she doesn't
(08:46):
even know. Just don't say a thing. I was like, Pam,
I'm going to say something to my child. You know.
I won't stay in the car. I'm not gonna yell
at her. But likes to talk about it, you know.
So we go home and you know, I was like, hey, girl,
are you ready to you know, tell me what you
want to talk to me about? In the dugout and
she starts crying and I'm like what are the tears for?
(09:06):
And she's like, I go what are your feelings right now?
She's like I feel sad, and I'm like, okay, why
do you feel sad, She's said, because of the situation.
And I said, okay, I said, do you have any
other feelings? She's like, I feel nervous, and I was like, way,
why do you feel nervous. She's like, I feel like
you're I'm nervous because I think you're gonna be mad
at me. And I'm like, well, let's just have a conversation.
Thank you for sharing your feelings, you know. So we start.
(09:26):
She starts telling me she said she was playing shortstop
and the girl and at this point they had more
points than us. We ended up winning, but that's the
point I just had to say. But at the time
they were winning, and the girl said, this is so
easy to the girls on the other team. The girl
on the other team, God, this is too easy. You
girls aren't good. And Jolie said, and then she goes, well,
(09:50):
and I go, then, what did you say when you
heard that? And she goes, I don't remember, and I'm like, Jolie,
what did you say? She's like, I think I just
went like and she goes, and then we expe and
then we exchanged some not nice words and I was like,
what were then not you exchange? And the word exchanged
I know. I was like, what do you mean you exchanged?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Were?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
What were the words you exchanged? She's like, I don't remember.
She's like, but then I went like this and night
she put her and I go, okay, baby, I was like,
do you know what that means? And she's like yes,
So it goes where did you see that? Where did
you hear that? You know? She's like, I don't remember.
I think on a show or a boy or something.
And I said, okay. I was like, how would you
feel if someone did that to you? I was like,
(10:30):
that wouldn't really feel good, would it? And that's not nice?
And she's like, I know. She's like I just so
then we started talking about how to control our choices
and the choices that we make, and we are in
control of our choices, so she no matter if it's
a girl at second base or your brother or whatever.
I was like, how we control our choices after that,
(10:51):
and what we do we are in control of. So
your brother can be annoying and doing all these things.
You have a choice do either walk away to not
say anything to you? Know. I'm like, which choice do
you think is the right choice to make?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So that was like the conversation. Yeah, but I mean
she was like, I feel so bad.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I mean the fact that she was crying about doing it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, it's so upset. And then the girl was
really sweet. She's like, I accept your apology like it was.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think that's such a See that's, to me, is
such a teaching moment. Obviously we don't want our kids
to do those things, right, but especially in sports like that,
stuff's only going to get worse. Kids are going to
start talking so much crap on the other side as
they get older, and they have to learn how to
handle that. And I mean, even as my kids are older,
like you know, they want to say things back when
(11:39):
people are being mean, you know, And I mean, and
sometimes speaking up not in that kind of way, but
speaking up for yourself isn't always a bad thing also,
depending on how you handle it. It's just I think
that was a really good learning lesson.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, sure, And I said, like if someone was saying
something you know, was always you don't always have to
walk away, Like just like we say to Jace, like
please stop that. I don't like that exactly expressing what
you but then that's when you stop. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So,
I mean I didn't love the situation, but I loved
the conversation we had, Like it really we were able
to just have the best conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it's such an age for all of that, and
like these lessons and like, well now she's.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Getting competitive too with it all, you know, so editive,
all all are two. Yeah, but we also am like
all right there. I'm like, it's only going to get worse,
like you said, like, these kids are only going to
start talking.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh my gosh, I'll never forget one time. This was
actually against a ref, but Cayden was playing basketball. This
is a couple of years ago. Super competitive, never talks
trash on them. I mean he wants to at times,
trust me, but he's you know, he's pretty good at that.
But he was arguing with a ref in the middle
of a basketball game and I stood up in the.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Middle of a gym so everyone can hear you.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I stood up and I said absolutely not and let's
get over here, and.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
He just like stared at meal. We ever read the
entire gym. I'm and he was so embarrassed. I was like, well,
that taught him not to argue with the ref.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Not the ref for the coach. You know, you got
to have respects.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, these lessons, man, got lessons.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, totally, Like you said, all all about the last week.
All right, right it is. But another news. Did you
see One Tree Hills having a reboot?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I thought, so, is it official?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah? Netflix is doing it.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Who is signed on to do it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hillary and Sophia. I think their characters are coming back
as moms and oh, I don't know who's. I had
spoken to Hillary about it about Alex making an appearance
when I knew about it, because she had. We had
discussed it before the news broke a couple like it
was probably like a month or so ago. I think
(13:48):
their intention is to bring back the people that make sense.
And she's like, I never Hillary was like, I never
got to meet Alex, so it'd be fun to have
us meet, And I'm like I would love that. Yeah,
sign me up. We'll see t beaud. But speaking of
shows and hit shows, we've got Kristin Kreuk coming on.
She is an actress. Obviously, she was on Smallville, one
(14:10):
of my faiths. So she's got a new show coming
out called Murder in a Small Town. Let's get her on. Well, Hey, girl, Hello,
you look beautiful. Thank you looks so pretty? Just like
(14:33):
thank you, thank you. There she is, I'm my wet
wet dog. I'm like, you look lovely. I put on
the skirt, this is this is this is pretty dress.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm like normally it's like I just was straight from
her workout, but I mean, hello, you look gorgeous. I
have to first say that Smallville was one of those
shows for me where my brother and I it was
kind of are one thing that we watched the same, like,
we watched it together. And I graduated in two thousand
and two and so I moved to California and he
(15:07):
was in Michigan and that was our connection show. Yeah,
and it was, you know, something that he liked. I
liked him like, hey do you watch small Vill last night?
And I just and I've always kind of tied you
into that, like that family, you know, like just I'm
always like, she's beautiful, she's great, you know, So every
time I always thought of you, it kind of reminds
(15:28):
me of that connection that I had with my brother.
So thanks for the you know, for being on an
awesome show that people were able to come together and
have that connection.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's so lovely. I hear I hear that a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It's actually a show that, you know, when I talk
to talk to people, they often say it was something
they watched with their parent or with their grandparent, or
nowadays there's little kids that come up and they're watching
it with their parents. So it's I love that it
has provided that kind of connection for people.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's so sweet. So that's cranky for sharing?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, no, of course, But isn't that crazy Like when people,
you know, I will get girls that are like fourteen fifteen,
I'm like how They're like, oh, I watched on one
tre Hill. I'm like, how did you like what? And
I forget like the streamers, like everyone's rewatching all these
shows and it's like it's kind of great, But I mean,
what's your take on it?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think it's amazing. I mean it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And because we don't make shows in the same way anymore,
we're not doing twenty something episodes of season for however
many years, there just isn't as much content available.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
If you love a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
World, our old shows, the ones we were on, kind
of provide that for people. You can like get pulled
into this world of friends and be with them for years.
So it's quite I mean, I think it's lovely. It's
lovely that people get to share the things that they
love with each other.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, and it's like our age, you know, it's like
we grew up watching these shows and now we're older
and we miss that, and we're having kids and now
we're watching it with our kids. And it's so cool
to see the resurgences of so many shows. And it's
like I grew up watching you know, I was in
my twenties watching One Tree Hill, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Like, how are all these young girls watching this show now?
But I'm like, oh, maybe me and my daughter should
watch it, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But like I also miss the world of twenty plus
shows like today I love TV and it's so boring
to me, and like, how long do we have to wait?
First of all, we won't get very many episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, and it it looks light now or something to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Get like eight episodes, and it's like, all right, so
I'm gonna wait for two years to see if this
show is going to come back to have more.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
True, It's true, it's a totally different model and we're
all adjusting to it. But there is something. I mean,
back back in the old days, if we wanted to
see something that we loved, we had to dig for it.
We had to go back and try and find it
if there was a VHS or a DVD or whatever
it was, and it was challenging. But now you can
love so many different things and it's available kind of
(17:43):
right at your fingertips, which I suppose is great in
some ways. I'm not so great in others, but but yes,
I do there. I was talking on a panel the
other day and people are craving that old model where
you get to have shows that go for a long time,
that have any episodes, where you don't have to wait
two years for it to get produced again. And I'm
(18:05):
curious to see if we start heading in that direction again.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So I kind of have a little bit of a
two sides to it, Like, you know, they just announced
the One Tree Hill reboot, which on one side, I'm like, yay,
I hope you know, I would love to be back
on it. And also as a viewer of the show
or viewer of shows I like new things, like That's
why I'm excited. Like, of course I'm going to ask you,
(18:30):
like would you want to do a reboot of small
but small Ville if they do it. But like the
fact that, you know, I like new content, and it's
like I get that they want to recycle the things
that work right, like they have the fan base, but
I want to see new shows like I want. I
don't know, I just am like.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I think it's just somehow it's done too.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
If if you're are you taking off where you left off?
You know, or you I just think I have to
see how it's done, to see if it's new and
interesting or if it just feels like you're watching the
same thing again and it's not interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And I love I love a new like a new thing.
Like as much as I love Scandal, I'd love a
news But I'm like, I'm also like, give me it,
give me a murder in a small town, you know
what I mean, Like, give me something else that like
isn't the same thing, a different storyline. Like as much
as I love Ozark, I don't actually want another Ozark
or a ted Lasso, like you know what I mean, Like,
I just give me something different. So I mean, here's
the question, would you do the reboke because that seems
(19:26):
to be you know what everyone's talking about when those
shows have worked so well.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We talk about this a lot amongst ourselves on the
small Ville cast, and there's always been this idea booting
around of an animated series.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So I like the idea of it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
If, like you said, we're doing this kind of building
upon something, or we're in a different place, we're not
revisiting the same things that we've done already, and with
something like Smallville, we can't. Because Smallville itself was based
on the puberty of Clark Kent, That's what it was.
It was about this kid in high school. This man
(20:02):
is no longer a child. He is, you know, a
grown man, and we would be looking at new, new
ideas and all of these characters would be in different places.
But again, is that the thing I want the most
in the world, that I want to see the most?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Maybe not?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You know, something fresh, something new, something reflective of the times.
I think that that's more engaging to me. But I'm
hesitant to draw a hardline on that because I mean,
there's wonderful stuff that's come out.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Right, And how did did did Fox come to you
with Murder in small Town? Or how did this project
come about.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It's actually a funny story. In about twenty twenty one,
I was at home in Toronto, it's where I was
living at the time, and Tina Pem and Kim Roberts,
who on the company CPF Films, came to me. I
had worked with them on a movie a million years
ago called Partition, and they were like, we have this show,
which at that time was called Alberg, and they wanted
(20:57):
to know if I would come on and produce with
them and act in the role that I act in now.
And I had at that time, I had a whole
bunch of stuff going on. I was getting a degree,
I was doing all these things, and I said no.
And then it came back around when I had moved
back to Vancouver, and so I wanted to work with them.
And Ian Weir, who wrote the first show I ever
acted in when I was seventeen years old, and he
(21:19):
writes on this show and I ended up auditioning for
it and you know, and doing it. So that's that's
how this one came about. It was kind of a funny,
serendipitous situation.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I love that love a good full circle. But I
feel like you, like when I hear your name and
the things that you've done. I feel like you've done
a really good job not getting into the drama of
media and Hollywood, and you know, you're I don't know
much about your life. I don't know, you know. Even
(21:52):
I was like, is she married? She's like, I was like,
I don't because you've done such a good job not
being in the public eye. Was that intentional? And yea
to this day, like I'm like, are you even on Instagram?
Like I don't know. It's like because now it's like
I feel like all celebrities, they're very touchable, like you
can you can connect with them, you know who they are,
like you know things. But it's like, but there's such
a beautiful mystery within you that I'm like, okay, like
(22:14):
what is your story? And is that very intentional? That
that that's how you you know, was that intentional plan? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yes, I mean when I came up and when Smallville
came out in two thousand and one, it was a
different environment. You know, this the world was a different place,
and I it freaked me out. Being in the public
eye scared me. It was something I had to really
adjust to. And I and I at a certain point,
(22:44):
I started to back off a little bit because it
didn't it didn't feel safe. And I've never lived in
the States. I've always lived in Canada. I've kept a
very private life and I do have Instagram, but I
use it mostly to you know, show pictures of nice
hikes and books that I'm reading and promote shows. It's
not something where I share a lot of my private
(23:06):
self on So yeah, it has been intentional. And I mean,
I've never had a personal publicist ever, and I've been
in this business since I was seventeen and I turned
forty to forty two this year, so I just have
never done it, and it still feels like the right
the right choice for me. I'm sure that it has
(23:30):
hindered my career in a bunch of ways, but I
think that that that has felt right.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
It sounds peaceful, it does. I really would love that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Can we keep up?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I know if I I mean, it would be so nice.
Like looking back, I'm like, when did I and I
know when I started to share more, But yeah, it's
it's it's insane. So that's a that's a beautiful thing
and I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But sharing also is gorgeous. There's something special about learning
so much about people's lives and having control over that
because when we first came up, that wasn't an option.
You didn't have that control. You were dependent entirely on
all of these powers that be to tell your story
for you. And now you can tell your own story
and you can share what you want and people can
(24:18):
connect to that, and I also think that's gorgeous. It's
just deciding what's right and where the boundaries lie for
each of us individually.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, that's true, and helping people, you know, like that's yeah,
I love that aspect of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well, that's such a good point because I can remember
back when you had a record deal and it was
the beginning of all of this sharing, and everyone had
an opinion and including me, including people, what you should share,
what you shouldn't share. And that's when you kind of
decided when that was over, to take it on yourself
and decide yourself what you could share, which is a
beautiful thing as well, because you've got control over it. Yeah,
(24:51):
which is really hard used to be very hard in
this industry. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I can remember meetings.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Do you not need to share this?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I wasn't allowed to wear my hair up. My hair
had to be down. I mean, oh yeah, yeah, no,
it's not you no, but they're like, hare has to
be down, Like what is the world is? What is this? Was?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Your hair was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Couldn't cut my hair, couldn't And they always referenced felicity,
you know, when Carrie Russell cut her hair.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's insane, that's so crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Maybe it had something to do with the hair.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Who knows, I might have Lord, I do want to
bring up the and if it's okay, the nexium stuff.
I had worked on a because I worked on a
(25:50):
show with Sarah years ago and then when she yeah, yeah,
so we were in We're filming a movie in Vancouver
and she played like my friend in the movie and
she was so lovely and we were kind of talking
about I had just gotten back together with my husband
who had an affair, and she was telling me about
this you know, nexium and how you know it's it's
(26:15):
very self help, and it was one of those things
where I was like, man, this sounds great. And then
when I was reading about kind of your story with it,
and that's kind of what you were also spoken to
that it was more of like the self help because
I was even like, yeah, girl, tell me more about it,
because it sounds like that's what I need, Like I need, like,
you know, just a support and a community. And I remember,
you know, talking to her post everything came out and
(26:36):
I'm just like whoa, Like it must have been such
a whiplash, you know, for you too, because because from
what I read that you didn't know about everything else,
like behind the scenes of what was actually going on.
But was that did that kind of because obviously you
went into it for the for the self help aspect
of this. From what I read, was it hard for
(26:56):
you then to find a path that you could trust
in that self help journey?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Interesting? I mean, I mean I never talk about this,
but I am.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sorry here, I am trying to take the She's trying
to be private, and I'm like, open the door.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
No I have I can tell you certain aspects of this,
but I yeah, I was very shy. As I alluded
to earlier in this, I spent many years on Smallville
reading books in a corner and that was the way
that I could get through the day. I just anyway,
So when it came to this kind of I mean,
(27:33):
and Sarah Edmondson brought it to me as well as
she did to you, and I was like, this is
a wonderful way to, you know, work through limitations. And
I didn't want to do it, and I was in
a relationship at the time and he wanted to and
so it was something that I did and and honestly,
(27:54):
it did work. I was able to change siggnificantly and
it lasted, and those issues that I had, I don't
have in the same way anymore. That said, I was
lucky in that I never got too deep inside of it.
(28:16):
I never lived in Albany. I always had a career
and a family and friends and you know, reasons why
I left are personal, but yeah, it was. It was
a challenge to reconcile all of it, although I didn't
(28:37):
feel like unlike Sarah, who is there until the very
end and is the reason why a lot of this
fell apart. Thank God, I was gone long before and
I didn't have a lot of ties to people, so
it was less of a I don't know, it was
less the grappling was less intense, although it was brutal
(28:58):
and devastating and sad to hear what had been happening
and to know what had been going on behind the scenes.
And that's something that I think about often, and I'm
so I feel so lucky that I wasn't more impacted,
(29:23):
like so many people were, so many women. Really it
was the women who There were many men of this company,
many many men, but none of them really were impacted
in the way that the women were, both through being
inside of it and also through the way they were
treated in the press.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
On both sides.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
This was a salacious case that people ate up, and
I think it was harmful to a lot of people
and has made me really question a lot of true
crime and a lot of that kind of content as
revictimizing people. And yeah, so I guess I guess that
answers it.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
What would you say, murder in a small town? If
it was like, if you could merge two shows together,
what is the vibe of the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Show merge two shows together? I mean, that's challenging, but
it is. It is about a small community. So it
is about a beautiful, lovely, small community in a gorgeous
setting that has an episodic generally an episodic murder at
it's at its heart, and it's also a love story.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So it is.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's hard for me to think of like two specific shows,
but it is a fun, charming, engaging, and heartfelt series
about a community of people.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
H I want to watch it.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well, I love that and I love everything that you do.
Where I mean, is there anything else that you what's
the biggest kind of takeaway from the last like learning
those new things about yourself that you carry on with
you today.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I think the biggest thing that I learned is Gosh,
that's hard to encapsulate, but I do believe that it
is around really recognizing where my fears come up and
seeing what they are tied to. If they are linked
to something that is real that is happening in the
(31:26):
present moment, or if it's something that I have that
I'm pulling up from my childhood or from other experiences
I've had, if I'm dealing with something that's actually happening
in the moment, or if I'm dealing with something that
is not present in reality, and being able to parse
that out and analyze it in the moment so that
(31:47):
I can feel more free.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Love that, Well, thank you so much. Everyone watch Murder
in a Small Town premiering Tuesday, September twenty fourth on Fox.
Thank you so much, appreciate you coming on. Thank you,
thank you sn
Host
Jana Kramer
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