More Secret Whines of Mormon Wives with Whitney Leavitt

 It’s time to hear Whitney’s side of the story! Whitney Leavitt from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is with Jana IN PERSON and ready to clear up every question from the most talked about show of the season!

We hear what REALLY happened with the Fruity Pebbles, she opens up about her husbands struggles with porn addiction, and we hear why she didn’t attend Mayci’s big launch party.

Plus… find out where she currently stands with MomTok and if she’ll come back for season 2!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, so I feel like we should all just take
a deep breath. First of all, you looked beautiful last night.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
I saw the photos.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you so much. Not now I look like I
just woke up noised a late night. But it was
seriously so fun.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Now you actually have radiance.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Get thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's a boy because when I had a girl, broke
out like crazy. Yeah, broke out like crazy. Always looked
like a flushed My hair was always falling out.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
So I'm like, it's a boy.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
So that was opposite for me.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh really.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
Oh I felt when I was pregnant with Jolie Ie
so tiny when I was pregnant with both girls. But man,
legend just root my son. I was like, who I
mean he was? I just felt big all over.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
And because they always say like the girl steals the
mom's beauty, oh, I.

Speaker 6 (00:55):
Felt like I was doing the Lord's work. That is
when I knew what it was all about. I was like,
this is really something.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I mean, I don't even know where to where to
start with this. I think for me where you know,
obviously a lot of people, a lot of castmates, have
been doing interviews.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I've seen a few of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
We had Macy on a couple like, i'd say, a
couple of weeks ago, and it was and I honestly
did not watch the show before I watched it. When Hannah,
our producer, she's like, hey, I think we're going to
be able to get a Mormon wife on, I'm like,
what is this, you know, like, what's what's happening? And
so we all started watching because obviously I wanted to
kind of see it all before we had Macy come on.

(01:40):
And watching the show, I'll say, in the very beginning,
I was first connected to you because of what you
shared about your husband. But then the edit, I'm gonna
call it, I'm gonna call it the edit cool because
I'm going.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
To start going certain chapters in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, made me flip a little bit. And what I
was saying to Macie was I really want Whitney on
the show because I love an opportunity for someone to
be able to go this is actually who I am
without certain things coming in out because there's a lot
of times in my life too where I've like I
have put the wrong foot forward and wrong situations. Things

(02:22):
have been said about me where I'm like, I actually
would love the opportunity to be able to kind of
clear that up. Yeah, and it's not I don't say
it's so much defending myself, but it's more of a
just get to know me on this level because I'm like,
I want to get to know Whitney, like on Whitney's
terms in front of us, you know, So thank you
for coming on.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I know it's.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Probably been kind of a I don't want to say
a show for you, but it's been a lot, right.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's been a lot. Yeah, it's been very overwhelming. I
tried to not look at it, but curiosity can get
the best of me. Honestly. It's not always what random
people that I don't know. It's more of my castmates.
I'm like, oh, I'm so confused. I don't know what's
going on.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
So I actually did a reality TV show, okay a
long long time ago. So I don't love reality TV
shows because I don't I watch too closely, like the
eye rolls and the way they edit things.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
And I'm like, was that even in that same.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Situation, Like, was that reaction actually because of what that
person just said?

Speaker 6 (03:19):
Yeah, so I get I get a little lovey and
then defensive of you because I'm like, I loved you
automatically because I felt like you were a straight shooter.
I enjoyed that you didn't go to Taylor's baby shower,
Yeah a lot, because You're like.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
We're not friends, and I was like, my girl, yeah,
like why are you?

Speaker 6 (03:35):
I'll keep the cozy Sunday afternoon at home actually, and
I'll skip this one. So do you feel like how
accurate is the is the way it's been edited to
your actual reality?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I really think if there was more context behind certain
decisions that I had made, it would have made more
sense to the viewer as to why, or maybe I
would have had a little bit more so sympathy as
to why i'd made certain decisions.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Do you want to give an example for one of
those that were yeah, I might have Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
A good example is the Fruity pebbles incident. I had
called to me ahead of time, asking her if it
was okay because I knew it was a sensitive topic,
if I could come bring this gift because we thought
it was funny, and then I brought it, and then
the way that she reacted, I immediately The reason I'm reacting
that way is because I'm like, whoa, Like I just

(04:27):
called you an hour before I thought you were totally
fine with this, and then that was so that's context.
I would have loved you know, But.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Because you're watching, I'm like, Okay, the reason she's upset
right now is because it didn't go over funny.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, but that's not it at all. Yeah. If I
were to give anyone a gift and they would have
reacted that way, of course, I think any human being
would have been like, oh my gosh, like I'm so sorry,
Like I would have never given you this if this
would have like hurt your feelings this much. But I
reacted that way because I felt sabotaged in that moment.
I was just like what well.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
And I also and You're like, I'm acting like you're
my client.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, no your defense.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, But like I also was like, okay, but you guys,
even if it's that intimate, then why does everyone even
know about it? There was a call made on a
speakerphone and everyone was there to witness this conversation between
the two the married couple, and I'm like, it's not
that intimate then, and it's not that private.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right, I think more so she wanted to keep it
private from the show, sure, and and all of us
were respecting that.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
And so.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's why I wanted to call and make sure it
was okay, because I didn't want to, you know, offend
anyone in any way.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So had you already made that call before y'all started
talking about it on camera before the party?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
None of us were talking about it on camera.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well the scene before you gave it to her, and
y'all are all talking about what happened, but like not
really talking about what happened, like, So it already had
been brought up, yes, but you had already talked to
her about it, yes, okay, So she had already said.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was okay to bring Yeah, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Because that changes a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
It does, And that's why I reacted that way. Of Course,
I would never ever react ifi to give somebody a
gift and they would have been that upset. Of course,
I would have felt horrible inside. But that's why I
reacted that way.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
So you obviously talked about this on another podcast. I
had just had just seen this. I'm like, man, this
is just changes a lot of people's thoughts. I know mine,
and I was very defensive of you as well. Yeah,
but it's interesting. Did you see her response to your
talking about it? I think she put up a TikTok

(06:36):
or something.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, that was interesting. I don't know if you had
seen that. And it didn't address it directly, but it
seemed to be in response to it. Okay, So I'm
just so interested and you probably don't know the answer
to this, but why did she react that way?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Then?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I don't know, I don't know, just okay.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
So it was kind of like one of those I'd
have to go back and watch it, but it was
like one of those where it's like I'm just going
to say nothing, you know, it's like a voice over,
I'm just going to say nothing. I'm just going to
say Like it was a response to what she had
to say, but not without being a response, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And that's okay, Like it was it's like not my
goal to be like, oh, like let's hate on other
women have made decisions on the show. It was more
so like I really just wanted people to know context
as to why I reacted that way, Like it wasn't
some like I don't know, crazy woman that was just
so offended that somebody was offended I had given them
a gift like that, wasn't it at all?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, Well, when we had talked about it, you know,
me and her had talked about it on the podcast
when Macy was on, and I was like, I said that.
I was like, we're missing something. Yeah, this this does
not make sense.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
And Macy didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I think I think we were talking about it though
before we had her on. I think it was part
of our host chat. If I'm being completely honest.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I think what I asked her though, was something to
the extent of did you think it was funny? And
she said no, right something. I believe that was how
that conversation. But it wasn't like, oh she called. She
didn't come to your defense and she called.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Before or something.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah we did. We did not know that.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Macy did say it was taken out of context though, Yeah,
so maybe that was.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
As a viewer, I think it to me, at least,
it was obvious we were missing something.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, like you don't just.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Get Yeah, I'm like, it's just we're missing something. So
that does explain things good to an extent. I mean
it make it brings up a lot more questions, like
than what were we trying to do here?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's like trying to put together the puzzle pieces of
all that. So it's like if she knew, then why
is and why is she upset?

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then what was so funny is your Because we're
all voice membling earlier today, what are the questions we're
gonna ask?

Speaker 6 (08:41):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
And you had you made up, you came up with
the best point of all of this about the women,
but really the men.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I'm really struggling with the men on this show.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Okay, let's hear it.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
I Like, we have all this focus and it's all
this banter about like the women did this, and she
said that, and fruity pebbles this, you know, And I'm like,
these dudes are out running amok. They are a disaster,
But we're focused right back in on these stunning women.
They've outkicked their coverage, every single one of them, including
your sweet husband.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
But I'm like, this is wild to me.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
I mean, I I've identified with probably every single one
of you on the show at one point. Just in
the marriage piece, I married into country music, I married
into a duo, and I married three people on accident.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I didn't realize that's what I was doing.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
And so a lot of points I have felt a
little like jin like, oh, okay, I'm trying to follow
your lead because you're my husband and I want to
respect you. But I'm not sure i'd totally agree with
what I'm doing. But I'm doing this okay. So I
just it's been wild to me to watch like the
guys be able to do whatever they kind of want.
And then I really super super this is what made

(09:55):
me love you out of the gate. And I would
say this whether you were in the room or out
of the room. When you took your family away from
the chaos to be able to sort your own feelings,
I was like, that's my girl.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Well, and another reason I did that, and another reason
I wanted.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
To get guys running them up. Yeah, Connor, my little swiper.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Another reason I wanted to separate myself or not tell
my friends and family is because I really wanted to
be my decision, that's right. I really wanted to take
the time and I didn't want to be influenced by
what any of my friends would say or any of
my family would say, I was like, this has to
be my decision one thousand percent, and I'm so grateful
that we took that time to go away and obviously

(10:37):
like one of the most beautiful places on earth and
figure that out.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, it's like either a great place of vacation or
a perfect matter depending exactly right episode setting or the
family the vacation and he never came back.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Luckily it was the latter. Yeah. Yeah, did that.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Feel like walk us through a little bit with like
the finding out of Tinder, because I know at first
you were like, this is this is where we differ.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
I would have presumed mine guilty until proven innocent, but
you were like, there's no way this is real.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, and you kind of laughed it off.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
It's funny when we had when I had found out,
I was actually on a family vacation in Hawaii, so
this wasn't when we were living there.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
I was on family.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Vacation and I was seeing these tiktoks about it, like
it was getting tagged in them, and I'm just like,
how stupid, like people making up just like the most
ridiculous things like da da.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Da da da.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
And I even remember showing my husband I was like
this is just so stupid, like whatever. And then I
think for Connor, guilt had set in and I don't
know what like courage it gave him. I don't know,
but that evening he told me everything, and I just

(11:49):
remember sitting in my room in our airbnb and just
like I just literally in my mind, I'm just like,
this doesn't happen to me, Like, oh gonna emotional.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I'm like, this is the place to do it.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, I'm like this it's not for me, Like what
is It's not the person you know and do not
be sorry. This is what we do here, but it
is the person you know and love too, Yeah, and
it doesn't match. And that is like you're my safe place,
but now you're not safe.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, And I'm just like I would like I would
look back on like our whole marriage and I'm just
like I don't know what was real and what wasn't
and all three ever be so grateful that he had
had the courage to tell me everything. Because I said that,
I was like, you have you can't leave anything out,

(12:40):
like I have to know everything, and of course it's
hard to hear, and I'll forever be grateful for that
that he was willing to just tell me everything in
that moment.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, I mean I am.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
And that is where I related to from the get
because I don't know how much you know about my story,
but my ex husband was a sex addict that was
as well with porn addiction too, And I remember the
first time I found out the first round of affairs,
it was I was, you know, with Catherine, and your

(13:18):
whole world flips upside down and I'm like, we have
a baby, like and then like just hearing these things,
it's like you don't think it's like if you're like
hitting yourself almost like wake up, wake up, wake up,
Like this is not like yeah, And there's so many
times like I couldn't look at well from that moment.
I couldn't put my ring back on. I couldn't look
at our wedding photos and like it's all a lie.
It's all it's like you just made a mockery of

(13:40):
all of it. And it took years and then unfortunately
for us, he couldn't stop the affairs, which is why
I ended up divorcing him. But the piece that I
think is my own, it's my own stuff. But I'm
gonna ask you the question because it's what came up
from me when I watched it. I have a really
hard time with guys saying because this happened too at
the end of the are divorced. When I finally finalized,

(14:02):
he was like, that's it. I promise I've I've just
shared my entire truth, and that's all of it. It's
never all of it. Yeah, that's what I found out
to be true. Now, some guys I want to give
the benefit of the doubt that that's it.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
They've told you the truth.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
In my experience, I've always just continued to step on
land mimes. I'm like, and you like, Okay, that wasn't
actually all of it. There was more. Is there a
piece of you that fear? If there's more?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think when I had first initially found out, because
again like Timeline with the show, like I found out
three years ago, like from around this time, so it's
been a while, but I remember at least that whole
first year absolutely. I mean I would feel so insecure too.
I'd just be like, I don't like, are are you

(14:48):
still looking at porn?

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Are you not?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Like I don't know. And I remember talking to my
therapist about it and him saying, like, you know you
can communicate with him, because there's like I think with
any addiction, it's so hard to go like cold turkey,
Like there needs to be something that changes in your
brain and that might just take some time. So for Connor,

(15:16):
I'm sure there were some slip ups, but as of now,
like one on thousand percent, I know he's fully clean
from that addiction, and I choose to believe in that.
And when I look back on that year too, I
it's almost like I'm so grateful for this. I feel
like I could tell when that addiction was coming back

(15:36):
or when it was away because I told him, I said,
I don't ever want to know. When you're like you
need to talk to somebody about it, that person's not
me because I just don't want to know. Maybe other
women would want to know, but not for me. The
tender thing though, was absolutely no, like absolutely not like
never again, but specifically for the porn addiction. I I mean, yeah,

(15:59):
like human, like, I know he was going to be tempted,
but I'm like, I'm not that person that you're going
to come to when that temptation comes in. It's got
to be somebody else. And I know that's when he
got really close with his brother and some other friends,
and which I'll be grateful for because I knew I couldn't,
I couldn't be that person.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Where do you place that for me? What happened with
me in that situation whereas I got my insecurities came
out and like the worst I would get angry, just
I mean, so jealous, so controlling. I'm curious from that experience,
where did you start to like what was it? Was
it insecurity? Was it jealousy? Was it controlling?

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
What has it?

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Because it does shape you, It does change aspects of
your yourself until you can walk through it with the
therapist fully and heal. And but I do think it
kind of changes the trajector of your personality and a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I feel like number one, I was never jealous and
secure one thousand percent, one thousand percent. It was hard
for me to be intimate. It's like, I like, it
took me a while to be intimate again because it's
hard not to like have these thoughts in your mind,
like oh, like did you look at somebody else today?

(17:23):
Or like you know, and you were each other's first, right,
absolutely and still right?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, So that's that's another lay.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, it's a whole other layer.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, and yeah it just takes time, which just sucks,
but it takes time to get that back.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Can I ask, and this might be too much personal
be said, does heee do you guys believe in uh
like snon stuff like that essay in in the within
the church. It's it's like it's it's like alan on
but for so for porn addicts that wives of can
go and talk to people.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yes, absolutely, my therapist really recommended it. But I just like,
I never I never went to anything like that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
So and I totally totally get that because I went
to a few sn on and it was so hard
for me to sit there because I'm like, I like,
I want to cross talk with people and you can't
cross talk and you can't and it was because you
just had to share and then it's it and I'm like,
there's no like anything or no talking whatsoever. But do
you have someone that you can then talk to sides?

Speaker 5 (18:32):
There was always my therapist.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, I'll forever be so grateful for him, still my
therapist today. But I just I didn't know who to
take that information too. Yeah, So it felt like I
did it to be somebody that didn't know me.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Do you have the the apps and stuff on the
phones too, to protect.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Like to make sure nothing's popping up on my phone?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, so like with my ex husband's phone, which is
we'd have to put on a what was that called again?
I even forgot what it was.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, So my husband he got rid of all social media.
He has a flip phone, like, he doesn't even have
a smartphone.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
It's like one of these days coming back.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, it's like one of those like it's all the show.
We'll have the show you after this, because it's literally
a break and people always will like say, like, is
that like your phone? And that was something I never
asked for. He did that all for himself.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, that's good, that's really good. Yeah, and I feel
like it's true. You can see, like I could always
tell I remember we were shooting a movie in Vancouver,
and I can always I knew that was when he
started acting up again in our marriage. I could just
you know, they change and there's something that but it's
the literal worst feeling. So I'm sorry that you had
to experience that, because discovery in a marriage is the

(19:58):
worst day, and I don't wish that on anyone.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
So, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's interesting and I've I know I've said this before.
I don't wish that on anyone to ever go through.
But I truly believe, like in relationships that you really
care about, if you can come out the other end,
or if it's something you want to come out, it
takes mutually. Both people have to work at it. There's
so many things he had to do and so many

(20:23):
things that I had to change to continue to be
with him. It has to be mutual. But when you
come out the other end, whow is your marriage stronger
than ever?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
If you ever found out that he actually was intimate
with someone, would you stay or would you work through it?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh? No, I would absolutely leave a thousand percent. Yeah,
there's no way.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And we talked about it too, because it almost seemed
like that's I wanted to hear more about your storyline. Yeah,
because I love to be like, how do people? Because
I mean, like hell, I've fought like hell for six
years with my husband, be like, all right, let's fight
through this.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
We can do it. Yeah, And I like give so much.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I'm always like fight first, because then you know yeah,
you know, and like we we're like, where's the story?

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Lolongo, that's the one.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
We talked about that a lot. We wanted to know more,
and it's like me.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is that And that's also what put me in a
really bad place where we were filming, because it felt
like every single time Connor and I were together, that's
all they wanted us to talk about, and it was
going back to that place what felt like every single day.
It was emotionally draining where I'm like, I don't I
don't want to be in this place anymore. And then
when I watched it, I was like, Okay, we used

(21:26):
like one scene of that, which is totally fine. I
know we're creating a story, but the emotional turmoil that
we both went through it was overwhelmingly exhausting.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, well I can only imagine. And that's where it's like,
where is the rest of this story?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I feel like they like kind of threw it in there.
And then it was kind of just like.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Well, you know what, one of my favorite and it's
not in the show, but one of my favorite moments
from filming When people always ask me, it's like I
never say this moment because it's not even in the show,
so it wouldn't make sense to them. But when we
were filming the pilot, we were sitting down and it
was like our interviews. It was Connor and I and

(22:09):
the showrunner was asking us, oh, like why did you
guys move to Hawaii, And there was no like preconceived
like oh, we're going to like really share like our
whole story. And I just like remember Connor looking at
me and he's like so emotional and he says everything.
He says everything, and I was like wow, like it
was to me such a raw and vulnerable moment I

(22:32):
would have and I felt like a lot of specifically
men could have related to that. I would have loved
for that to have been in the show.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
A strong sense of ownership.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah yeah, and especially like just hearing how he talked
about it, it was so incredibly vulnerable that I'm like, wow, like,
I know how hard it is for men to open
up like this and talk about this, Like, I know
so many men could have related to that.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
That was by far one of my favorite.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I mean, it was very emotional, but I was just
like left that being like wow, like that, I know
that took a lot for you to share and that's
really brave of you, and I'm I'm sure so many
men could related that, but again, it wasn't in the show.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
How far after that Discovery was filming, It was about a.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Year okay, yeah, because we filmed the pilot and then
two years later then we started filming the actual show.
So that's why everyone's like talking about, like, you guys
look so different. I'm like, well, yeah, like the pilot
in the first season are mixed or sorry, the pilot
in the season in the first episode are mixed together.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
So yeah, of course we look drastically different.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Connor is ever different to me? Like, I'm like, is
he what's he doing? Frosted tips? Like, Connor, I'm gonna
need you to pick with a stick with a look.
I'm confused. I'm like, oh, she got a new boyfriend. No, no, no.
Even my husband was like, wait, who's is that?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Because he's sorry he got hooked at it with me
and I was like, I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
So when we were living in Hawaii, he got we
bleached his hair, so fun.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
We came home, so fun.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, we came home. There's a scene of us trying alcohol,
or at least meet trying alcohol for the first time.
So his hair is blonde, and then there's a scene
of his hair shaved.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Two minutes later, literally too.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
But you can see why I've been on a roller
coaster with this man's identification there.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm like, wait, what, But it's because we had scheduled
a hair transplant, so he had to shave his head
and then a couple of days. And I'm sure that's
why they didn't keep that scene of Connor and I,
because he had just gotten a hair transplant, so you
could like kind of see his uh you know, have
you ever seen someone like that? Yeah, and that's why

(24:53):
I'm like, oh, maybe that's why I didn't keep that scene.
I don't know, but so, yeah, bleached, then shaved, and
then hair transplant, and then you go into the actual
season where it's the same after that.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
But yeah, it's so funny the way we watch reality
shows differently. I don't know that I noticed any of that.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Where's the cup?

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Like I keep looking for like the poles and why
they and who they're trying to cast you to be
and frame you to be. Okay, so I needed to
know the proximity to Discovery to filming because there's closet.
Whitney is who I want to go to next when
Whitney's in the closet, because you said, I don't care
if they don't like me, and I don't care if

(25:36):
they're not my friend, and I felt that was the
first time I felt like I saw lying Whitney because
I'm like, that's not her heart. I think she does care.
I think she's protecting herself. So much of you relates
to me, I'll get emotional. But I was like, that's
actually not true. I don't think that's true. Yeah, no,
it's it's I watched you wall up a little bit

(25:59):
and then break down, but still didn't feel like you
had a safe place at least. This is how it
was to Meah, this is why I can't watch reality.
To me, I want to have a little Whitney in
the gloset, but like it to me just felt like
you just were protecting yourself, your family, and I didn't
think that was true. And that's why I wondered, like,
was that still that freshness of like protective discovery? No

(26:21):
one is safe, I don't trust anyone kind of feeling.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yes and no, take us back to the closet.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, let's go back in there. Yes and no. Yeah.
I had built up a lot of resentment, and I
also felt like two of the most traumatic things that
have ever happened in my life. I'm like sharing, I'm
back to back one Liam being in the hospital and
then my marriage and I'm talking about it. And not

(26:50):
only that, I didn't even bring Liam being in the
hospital onto the show. And I had built up so
much anger and resentment towards not only to me, but
towards like these whole group of women, because I was
just like.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
A lot of those women.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Half of them knew who I was when that was
happening with Lamb being in the hospital and me getting
like all of this hate for this video. Yeah yeah,
and so they knew how personal and traumatizing that was
in my life that I just like couldn't believe that,
Like I don't know, like it just felt like I

(27:32):
was like so disassociated with what was reality and what
wasn't while I was filming those moments, because I'm just
like damn, like okay, like I get that this is entertainment,
but like this is also my real life, and like
this was just shared on national television. And after that moment,
I like went in a horrible place. And then moments

(27:55):
from then on whenever there were scenes where we'd be
in groups together and I just felt like attacked every
single time, and I'm just like, I don't I don't
want to do this anymore, Like this is exhausting, Like
and I just wasn't in a place. But it's like
it's not like I can be like, hey, can I
have like two weeks off. It's like you don't get
that luxury. It's like, well, no, like we're filming in

(28:16):
real time. I mean, yeah, I'm grateful that I wasn't
I was able to not go to the veigest thing
a Macy's event, but I just sucked. I just wasn't
in a good place. So yeah, of course I don't
mean those things like I do care about them. I
do value our friendship.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But did you text Macy to tell her that you
were gonna put those receipts of the her texting you out?

Speaker 5 (28:41):
No? No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Okay, Yeah, I was curious at that how that was
because I remember because again as a viewer watching that,
I was like, if I didn't like to me, I'm like,
I understand stepping away, yeah, but also I'm like, why
didn't you show up for your friend? Yeah, so that
piece of it not even you. I'm like, why couldn't

(29:03):
she even text? That's why I said, why couldn't she
even text? If anything she wants to protect because we're
always like boundaries heaving, I was like, well, no, I
like the fact she said a boundary. I'm like, yeah,
but text if I didn't text you, Like, how hurt
would you be if you didn't text? So again, what
we saw was that you didn't text, you didn't even
reach out, and then you release the things.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
I'm like, well that changes it a little bit again, right.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
But then that just spit me in the ass again.
I felt like because everyone just like, oh, sharing personal
text online, which I totally get that definitely wasn't the
way to go about it. But I just went in
so much defense mode because it's like in that scene
in the show, it's like such a surprise, like, oh
my god, Whitney's not showing up, and it's like, well,

(29:42):
I did send a text a few days prior to
this event that I just really wasn't in a place
and it just sucked.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
No, your messages were sweet.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Again, I'm actually like, I don't think that was bad
of you to do that personally. No, I texted you like,
this is what it was. I would have probably done
the same thing, yeah, to defend yoursel because that wasn't cool. Yeah,
she said she didn't, but then you really did. I
still what i'd heard is you were contractually obligated to
show up to Mikayla's party, but you didn't have to

(30:11):
go to Macy's.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Is that was that right?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:14):
So I mean obviously there's expectations when you're filming a
reality show free to show up to things. But again,
like that's my free choice, Like nobody's coming to my
house and you know, grabbing me, throwing me in the
car and taking me to it. But what you don't
see at that event too, At Mikayla's birthday party, I

(30:35):
knew the women were going to be upset, and I
think that's what I was the most anxious about. And
you know, I come in, you hear all these things
saying like I had to separate myself because it was
so incredibly emotional. I was just like, I'm just like,
what the fuck am I doing? Like what is life
right now before i'd come out and seen Macy. But

(30:56):
in that scene, it looks like I'm just like, huh,
like so happy to be there, but I'm just like
I didn't I didn't want to be there, and I
wish I didn't go, but I did, and.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Here we are. I feel for you, because I do.
I just wouldn't have liked you.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
And I'm not just saying that you're because I like
even said to them this morning, I was like, guys,
I think like we were all like kind of fans
and going like to Kat's point, like she was like,
but what about how would she have the time in
the place? Like that went into manager mode.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
She knew about it.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Okay, guys, but like I have to say, like, you're
still a human being and you're a mom and you're
a wife and now you're pregnant, bless you.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
And I was in my first trimester during filmy.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's another thing I said. I was like, well, this
does not help.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Do you regret not showing up to Macy's hardy I
I hate when people are just like, oh, like she's
not taking accountability, like woo boo, who she's playing the victim,
Like holy shit, like everybody calmed down, Okay, I like you.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
They just didn't show anything.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
They didn't shown and they didn't show any of the
apologies that I had made, and that upset me. And
what upsets me more is these women saying like, she
owes us an apology. I'm just like, I would love,
like we can call let's chat, and I would love
to know what you're wanting from me. I would love
to know that because I would love to give that
to you genuinely. And I as far as me see's

(32:41):
event goes, like, how can you regret that? Because the
only thing that could have changed me being in a
better place for me to have gone to that, and
I wasn't in a good place. I wasn't in a
good place to go and be around all these women
because every time I was around them, I felt like
I was being attacked. I didn't feel welcome, and I
don't we'll welcome now into this day.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Yeah, absolutely, that's going to be all these videos that
they're making and.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's like it hurts, like I'm a human being, like
and I'm just like, I'm so confused because there were
apologies that were made on the show, Like I thought
everything was fine, and then like, I just I don't
know what's real and what's not anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I haven't I didn't followed along with any of the
videos made, so I have no idea, that's what.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I don't know, and I have been paying attention. But
all I can think about, and we've talked about this before,
is you know, on other reality shows they bring these
women together. They're kind of friends, but some of them
but not really your regular housewives. They don't know each other,
so you get in a fight with another woman. It's
kind of like, Okay, this is so different. This is
a group of friends. I mean, y'all were all friends.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right, That's actually not true?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Not true?

Speaker 4 (33:49):
No, okay, it's going to be starting with an org chart.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Because he was the o G.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Taylor was.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Was she the start of it or so Taylored had
it with a couple of her other friends and swingers.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah a soft swing, yeah, a soft swing. And what
are those friends still in this? Or do we know
those friends?

Speaker 3 (34:10):
They're not in the show. Okay, no, okay, but I
know they were offered to be in it, but they
didn't want to be. They might be in who knows
they might be in the next season, all right for it. Yeah,
so Taylor started with these friends and then yeah, me, Macy, sorry, Macy, McKayla,

(34:33):
and I started joining that group. And keep in mind,
like this mom Talk group, Like I loved it. It
was so fun because there would be events that we'd
throw and there'd be like twenty five women there and
it was just so fun, like all of us just
getting together. Like mom Talk wasn't just this group, although
it like seems that way, but it was so much
bigger than that. And I know a lot of women

(34:55):
that were in that and like had seen the show
are like, I'm sure they missed it a bit too,
because it was so fun, like a huge just felt
like a massive party every single time. We're just dancing together,
talking together and eating get fitted. It was just so fun.
But then later on Demi would come to some of

(35:16):
the events and it was and then Leila would come
to those events too, but Jesse was never she never
went to any of those events. After Taylor's after her arrest,
that's like kind of when.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Production domestic arrest one.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, that's like kind of when productions slowed down, because
it was actually just going to be s four, Taylor, Basicon, mckaele,
and I and it wasn't a big enough cast. We
needed more people. And so I know that they interviewed
a lot of those other women that were in that
mom Talk group and then eventually came to this. So
like the other four women, I wasn't as close to,

(36:00):
but Macey, Mikayla and I like three amigos, we were
buying hands down the closest.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I think that's why I was, you know, because
I'm like Macey was constantly always sticking up for you,
and a lot of the areas I'm like, okay, you know,
but that piece almost.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well and that's what I was where I was going to.
But you still went on a show with two three
really good friends of yours and now you know, y'all
didn't have discussions about things that y'all would talk about
or that could be talked about on camera. Like I'm
just thinking, like if we were to ever do a show,
we would have a conversation like Liam being in the hospital,
like is this okay to bring up?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Is this not?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Like I just feel like that would be as a
boundary that you don't cross.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
We do do that we do that wind down.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Yeah, we get the road and we're like, okay, safe
or not safe? And like we can tell by the
way she reacts, like we won't dig anymore. I give
it two shots, and if she won't give it to me,
then I don't I stop digging.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Well, there's a point where you're already friends and you
have a respect for each other that I just feel
like has been crossed a lot on this show, and
I can see where that's very hard for you now.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, and having a relationship that the piece too that
you said which is going to be hard. You're like,
you don't even know what it is now? That is
like what do you want me to say sorry for?
Because you're wanting to say not sorry, but you want
your wanting to at least have a conversation, right.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I would love to have it more in
person than online.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Because it seems like you're saying like there's just shots
being like in the which is that's not fun or
friendly or anything like that. But is there one thing
that you can go Okay, I can own this. I
will take one hundred percent accountability for this, oh.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
One thousand percent, And I have to add two because
I know people are going to dive deep into every
single thing that I say there were. I did meet
Layla and another woman who's who's not in the show
prior to meeting Masy McKayla and like going to like
actual mom talk events, but I was never like as

(38:02):
close with her as I was with Macy. MyKayla, like
you kind of had a falling out, and then I
got really close with Macy.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Mikayla got it.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Let's let everyone know that before they dig up all
the videos. And me to yeah, no, absolutely, I hated
the fact that I had brought I had told Jen
what Demi had said about her about the whole two
more money thing.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
And the white trash.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I wasn't even there when to me called Taylor white trash,
I wasn't even there, and on the show somebody else
is telling me. But I had brought it onto the show.
I had brought it on the show because I had
told Jen. But then they like had scenes of somebody
else telling me because I wasn't there. But again, I
willingly did that. And I was so angry about the

(38:51):
freaking fruity pebbles thing, But I still I wish I
didn't do that, and on the show, I do apologize
to to me because I hated that I had done
that because when we were in Park City, she fully
got attacked in the beginning, and I hated that I
had played a part in that because I was seeing
it happening.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
I'm just like, oh, God, Like in my mind, I'm.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Just like, what you just do, Like this is horrible,
Like nobody deserves to be treated that way. And after
the fact, when Demi and I are sitting down and
I'm apologizing to her, she expresses to me that even
she even found out that her mom's cancer had come back,
and she'd found out that evening, and I was just like, God,
like I just I felt sick. I felt disgusted, and

(39:33):
obviously felt better, Like when we got to sit down
and apologize and everything, it's just like, God, you just
really never know what somebody's going through, Like you really don't.
And yeah, one thousand percent own up to that. I
nobody asked me to do that and to bring those
conversations onto the show.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
She did do it at the truth Box, though I
do have a question about that. There was a TikTok
going around the cor I was like, oh, dark.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
But I'm like, is that Like, I'm like, why she
wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I feel like a producer might have been smart enough
to calculate that, like and then throw that collar in.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, don't read into that. There could have been papers
where I just put a smiley face and put it
in the box.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So we didn't get to see that because this is reality,
non reality. What are your thoughts truthfully about Taylor? I mean,
where do you guys stand now?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
And I think she's a very resilient woman and I've
told her that it's inspiring with how much she's gone through.
She just keeps going and I really do and I
really do respect that in the beginning, you know, when
you watch the show and I'm just like, you know,
I don't feel like we're friends. And it's because well, yeah,

(40:44):
like she couldn't be a friend. She wasn't a place
to be a friend, but I also needed a friend
in those moments. It just and it's fine, like we're
great now. We're better than we were before we filmed
the show or before we even started a mom talk
like it's great, And I just hate that it comes
across that I'm like judging her from all of these
things and whatnot. It's like, yeah, well she does. I

(41:06):
don't agree with like you did make those choices, but
you're coming out the other end like you go, girl,
keep it up, you know. But no, we're great. Like,
if anything, I'm the closest with Taylor Macy right now.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So do you So Taylor and Macy are your closest
as of now?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, I just talked to me. I just talked to
Taylor yesterday.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Okay, Yeah, all right, that's so it's just the other
part of mom talking.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, and I'm sure we'll figure that out.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
On season two, we all watched wat you guys, what
is the biggest misconception that you want to clear by yourself.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
That I that I don't take accountability or that I'm
some like what was me like crying in a closet,
like victim mentality.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
It's like, okay, well, sometimes you.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Can be a victim and that's okay, and you can't
take accountability. But also remember that you may have not
seen those moments where I did take accountability and didn
note up to and say god damn, like yeah, I'm
so sorry that I had done that, But you don't
get to see that so let's remember that too.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
You know, does it.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Feel like your family? Because I one thing I really
enjoyed and liked watching was you bring the vibrator proposal
to like your family. I was like, wow, like that
seems like I don't know, just genuine and like like
I actually again, I was like, okay, girl, all right,
like we're just testing the waters, right instead of hiding.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Our grandmothers, mothers and kids. I was gonna first.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
Just see if what they think about it.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
How has this.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
Impacted your family? Has your family been like this is
a huge mistake? Are they supportive? Are they?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
I think it's so funny my mom or Connor's family
and my family. The only people that I've seen the
show and my whole family is my mom is because
she watched it with me, like we would talk about it.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
My husband hasn't even seen it, and he doesn't want
to see it, and.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
He wouldn't recognize himself.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I'll tell you that it looks like I just got
my head on yesterday. Which yeah, because it's such a
culture shock.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
I mean, I've always been fascinated with the Mormon religion.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I won't lie.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
There's parts of it that I think are so sacred
and so cool to me. And then there's other parts
where I'm like, that's why I like this progressive Mormon
out like outlook as like, Okay, we're kind of have
like a bit of awakening, but that awakening plus reality
TV plus Hulu. Yeah, I mean that's like a lot
to take in. Yeah, for people like your mom that
have lived a certain way and for a certain amount

(43:39):
of years.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I think if we were talking more about actual church
doctrine that I think specifically people who were who are
or were Mormon may take more offense to it. But
to me, it's more so either we have been Mormon,
or we are Mormon, or we're very devout, like all
of us have some sort of Mormonism in our lives

(44:01):
and we're sharing that. And it has nothing to do
with like sitting down and talking about the Book of
Mormon and dissecting it.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Do you like, have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, I haven't seen it, but I really want to. Really.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
We had we had uh a sweet friend on here
who was Mormon, and she they take some quite offense
to it, but I'm.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Like, it's like.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Laughing, but it's you.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Know, there was there's one song about that I love turn.
I think they're like knocking doors and everything. Also, you
guys know why I did that?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
You knocked on doors?

Speaker 5 (44:35):
I did that in Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia bless.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, I know. I was telling Connor when we were
driving here. I was like, Oh, this like reminds me
of Georgia. This reminds me of my door knocking, really
walking up those hills and knocking on the doors, being
like please, like don't kill me, but let me in
your house and let's talk about Jesus.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
How did they go?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Can I ask one question just because I'm just really
curious when you left the group text yes, did you
really want people to text you afterwards? Because that was
where I was like, Whitney, you know, talking text message.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Bothering me. I was like, then you're wanting people to text?
You left a group for a reason. Why are you
asking people them to text you?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Right? So I think I more so wanted like Mason
and may Kayla to reach out and be like how
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
But like they knew that you hated those were like
you weren't happy there?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, I think, but if.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
You left a group, you would I think, deep down,
all of us would want one of our best friends
to text on the side and be like, hey, are
you okay? Is everything okay?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Why'd you leave?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Don't when she leaves our queendom group, Sarah just left.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
It again while we were sitting here.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That you would have if you would have seen the
first but you weren't even on the first ones of
her leaving.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Of which one, oh, we had to side note.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
We were side note starting out because you're over here,
we had a first if you're getting divorced, Sarah already
left five times and we already so I think, deep down,
but I was going to defend.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Leave a group message to then be like, what did
you leave? Yeah, you know what I mean, So go ahead.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I get it. Definitely irrational, very dramatic.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Yeah, it was great, well done.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I loved I just have to say I did love
the Edits. Every time they'd like bring up like Whitney's
left the group chat and they had like a song,
like a dramatic song, and I'm just like, oh, like,
I just would laugh about.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
It and unfollowed too, Oh yeah, okay, it's funny that too,
because I was like, it's Whitney followed me.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I'm gonna wait to follow until she comes here and
unfollow what. I don't know how to easy? You go
to their page and then you see if they're following your.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Leave the group chat. I mean it's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I don't reach out though, or like ask for them.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
If you left a.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Group chat, I would pulse check you thanks friend?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
We would okay, but like, how was did you know
that was happening? Do you guys follow each other now?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Or what I do? I don't think all of the
women follow.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Me back, but you see, that would drive me crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
That's what.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Who do you up against the most?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Now?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Would drive me crazy? I don't really know, Like I
don't I mean a rebasing an awful line or in person,
like I don't even know because I've never mine. Now,
it seems like Jesse to me and Mikayla have the
it seems like the most animosity and were close. Oh yeah,
like best friends. Yeah, I'm sorry me too.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah that's that's.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Tough, but I think that, Yeah, I would love to
know why.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
You know, when's the last time you saw everybody in person?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
We were in La.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
We went to like a I don't know if you've
seen those outfits of like us all in red.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Yeah, we were in LA. That's okay. We were in
l A and we were like, it was really.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Like Danna and I just said, like, this is cat.
We'll enjoy our copye. Well, you guys catch up.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
It was the day before the show had come out.
We were in LA and it wasn't like a premiere,
like we didn't see the show. We were there, but
it was like an influencer party.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
We were in LA.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
We're on a rooftop. It was so much fun. That's
the last time I had seen all the women And was.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
That, Like Levey, how long ago was that?

Speaker 5 (48:23):
That was a day before the show come out? Came out?
So how long has it been. It's been almost a month.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I got to say that you're close with Taylor. I
loved Taylor. She was actually one of my favorites.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
Actually really identify with both of you a lot and
a lot of different The old second pregnancy really got
good to me.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I was, Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Think a lot of us can see us and a
lot of y'all, Like we talked about that, like who
are you know? I can we can see bits and
pieces of ourselves in all of you. You know, and
so I think that we can watch it and like
and hate all of you all at sometimes, you know,
so I can only imagine for you guys having to
watch this as your friends and seeing it on and

(49:04):
then the outrage online is just unreal.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Did you want to be Regina George?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I did you see that post? It was like what
I said.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I was like, I think she wants to be the
Regina George. She wants to be because because you said
I didn't think mom tag won't survive without you? Like
good luck? Do you think it could survive without you?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Absolutely? Obviously?

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Like if I didn't, do you think the producers would
like made you say that?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
No?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I was pissed when you're past Yeah, I was so angry.
It's like good without me?

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, good luck? Good luck? Without me?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Absolutely, it could be recasted like done. It would be
just fine, and I know would still be so successul.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I think there's something so human and honest and authentic
about you saying yeah. I was pissed, Like do you
know the amount of times I've said y'all?

Speaker 4 (50:13):
There's so many times?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And then after I was like, yeah, sorry, I was
either pmssing pregnant, pissed or I found out another affair
or something like you know what I mean, Like, let
me count the ways.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Then I said things, if somebody were to follow you
around with a camera and only show those moments, of
course you're going to be the Virginia George of that.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
That's why I'm not allowed by anybody.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Not allowed, she asked me, every time you would do
this with me, right, I'm like totally.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Well.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
The thing is too that people don't see is like
you get miked in the morning sometimes and they're recording
that audio, and then there's scenes where it's the back
of your head and they can't see that you're talking
or not talking, and they're using a comment that might
have been about like lasagna over top of the situation.
I'm like, it's so whack. That's why I was like,
let me get eyes on this chick. I just want
to know who she is, breathe her air, and know
who she is.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
That TikTok though that you did. I did watch that one.
We were like, oh who me, and like it's.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
So good which which you are in.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
The dress and dress it's like a oh no.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Not yet, Like so I was like that's good.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I like, I like this, But I mean, if they
asked you back for season two because you kind of
left on your you said you're done, would you go back?

Speaker 5 (51:24):
I don't know yet. I really don't know.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
I really blank toy.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Boundaries, guys, boundaries, I like hate that word.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Now it's like, God, like, why is that so associated
with me?

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Now?

Speaker 4 (51:38):
I did she said to me too. I was like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I think she just I just think she's really got boundaries.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Seriously, holy, Yeah, because it is it's your life.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, there's the other side of you know, of all
of it, but it's also you know, it's it's good,
you know, good money for brands and yeah things as well.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, and I do love I think you said it earlier,
like so many people can relate with.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
I really do think it's such a great cast. It's
a great cast, so.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Much diversity in personalities, so many strong personalities that I
know so many people can relate to. It's just, yeah,
a matter of if I yeah, I still want to
be a part of that.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I don't know if I want a world without Whitney.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
No.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
And I'm not saying that you're here, like there's just
very prominent characters, and there there's a mental characters, and
I don't like all of them, yeah, or like I
don't want to. Oh, there we go. There's the old clickbait.
But it's not that I don't like them, I just
don't relate to like i'm some of them. I'm just like, Okay,
we got a little copy paste, copy paste, copy paste.
I just what resonated with me quickly with you is
that you just stood out on your own. You knew

(52:40):
who you were or and when you didn't, you just
shared that you didn't like it. Just I don't know,
I think it would be really really wildly different without you.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Do you feel like it would be a chance to
kind of redeem yourself a little bit?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I don't know if like redeem is like a good word,
Like I don't even like just because based off of
like what I lived like and even feel like I
needed redemption, Like sure from a viewer, maybe you'd feel
like I would need redemption. Would I love to have
conversation and figure out what the hell is going on? Absolutely?
Because yeah, like if there's something that like.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
You want to lay it all out, hash it all out.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, Yeah, if I hurt you, like I would. I
want to know, like, let's make amends and let's move
on from this. Like, I know what it's like to
hold a grudge on someone and it can control your life.
Like I would love to sit down with you and
figure this out so we both can just move on
from this and you know, and if that ends up
us not being friends, like that's okay, but like let's
let this go that I would love, Yeah, and go back.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
I would go back for that.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Well, and I think the viewers, I truly and I
know that you have gotten a lot of hate, and
I know a lot of most all the girls have
gotten hate, but I do think as a viewer more
so with you, Yeah, we are definitely missing so much
of your story that I know as a viewer again
and especially talking to you and hearing the things like
you take accountability, yeah, you know, and this whole thing

(54:03):
and she doesn't take accountability. Yeah, but I would like
to see more of that.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I'd also like to know like when the women say that,
like I would love to sit down and be like,
what do you want me to take accountability for? And
then let's talk about it. I would love to have
that conversation because I don't know what it is now,
you know.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Right, And then that's the thing. It's very different between
what the woman the women may feel like and what
the viewer feels like because again, they know the reality
of what happened. Yeah, the viewers don't know a lot
of that reality. They do not know that you called
her before. I mean, now you have said that. But
from just the show, there's a lot of things that
were unanswered that make you that put you in that light.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah. Another thing is that first episode, the scene where
I'm talking about a video that I'm upset about. It
wasn't the swinger video at also completely different video. Oh jeez.
I think if you were to watch it as a viewer,
like I never once say like that swinger video, right,
a scandal video. I just talk about a video or
a TikTok, and that's not what it was. Because I

(55:06):
think then right from the get the get go, it's like, oh,
Whitney's like, you know, such a judgmental person towards Taylor,
off of everything that she's done, off of this scandal
video where I'm like, I thought it was I mean,
maybe if I was involved, I would have thought differently.
I thought it was hilarious. I was like, couldn't believe that,
like that was actually happening. So I was doing press

(55:26):
because I hadn't seen the show yet, and I'm like
answering these questions to them and I'm saying like and
they'd ask me about the scandal, I'd be like, oh, yeah,
like so funny, like whatever eyes to my page like
ha ha, because I wasn't involved in it, Like I
could just tell they'd be so confused, and I'd be like, okay,
like I don't want to do anywhere pressed only see
this freaking show because I have no idea what's going on?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Oh man, what what do you think about the whole
gen and Zac drama? And also would you have gone
to the Chippendale show? I'm just curious, Oh a thousand percent.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I would have gone one thousand person.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
And she was like the Shippendales were coming with they
coming out here.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It wasn't Shippendale's. It was thunder from down Under.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
But as we leave this.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Podcast, I was talking to Macie and I get an
email It's like, do you want to come to And
I was like.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
No, I'm out, Yeah, no, I think it would been
so fun I went to I was invited to a
premiere in London for the Magic Mic, the New Magic Mic,
and their dancers were their dancers would give us lap
dances and it's I've just had the time in my life.
I thought it was so funny. My husband did too.
I think that. I mean, every relationship is different, okay,

(56:34):
And I think that you know your husband. You know
what's going to upset him and what's not going to
upset him, and vice versa. Like if that's something that
he doesn't feel comfortable you going to, then you know,
I can respect that.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Do I agree with how he reacted towards it, Absolutely not.
And I think that he knows that Connor and Zach
are actually close, which you don't see on the show,
but they're friends and they've talked and whatnot. And Zach
one thousand percent has owned up to that. I mean
not on the show, but of course, like I think
anyone's seeing that and been like, oh wow, like I

(57:08):
reacted that way, well, yeah, like I should have not
reacted that way. My emotions took over. I think just
sometimes God, we just like forget that we're human beings
and everyone reacts, and unfortunately that's how he reacted, and
it just sucked. Nobody deserves to be treated that way,
especially in a relationship. And I felt for her watching that.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Yeah, that really to watch.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Did they really not know that's where they were going?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
No, they didn't know. They really didn't know.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
So that's tough because that's that's so different. You know,
they knew their husbands would feel that way, but they
did not know.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
They were going.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
That's a different thing. Yeah, I'm sure she wouldn't have
to go.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Can I just say one thing that bothered me the
most about the show though, he me.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
On my heel.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Made me angry for you.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Even at that point, I was like, I wasn't like
the total team went, but like, but I was watching
that's that's low guys showing that.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
And also there was fifty five producers that saw you
walk out.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I know, it was just like cool.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
No, I don't like that they put their last name
on it and no one else's last name.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Jim and Zach?

Speaker 4 (58:19):
What about it?

Speaker 3 (58:20):
A fleck?

Speaker 5 (58:21):
What about it? Oh my god?

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Yeah their last name?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
What about one else's last name was on there?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I didn't even notice that. Yeah, oh my god. It
drove me crazy, probably because of the fleck well obviously.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
But I don't like that who.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Because everybody had to just Whitney.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
They're like cousins or something, Bennett, but they've never if
they even met No, they've never even met so and
it had nothing to do with y'all, but it it
drove me crazy interesting. I'm like, we don't need to
have their last name on it. I'm like, at least
but everybody else's last name.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
You think you're not paying attention that.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Kind of stuff. I'm not a real call nailed so
mad even we get it remind me of anyways, moving on,
this was so lovely, Like you are beautiful. You are
such a sweet I've been team Whitney from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Having said that. One of my friends did say, wait,
did she really put the stick and the cake?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
One thousand percent? I did, And listen, I cor axed
the hell out of that thing around it.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I'm talking about that's fun.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Literally because I told him my friends that I told
to watch the show that you were going to be here,
and they're like, I just really need to know did
she actually put that in the cake.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Like, oh I think she did. Oh my god, I
love it funny enough. I'm pretty sure the frosting was
like a fruity pebble crossing too.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
A sponsorship from those peoples that actually.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Like the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Okay, final last words? Anything else you want to just say?
Clear up, like this is your last Like what do
you want to say?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I keep going back to when you were talking about
the Like, in my mind, I keep going back to
when you were talking about the leaving the group chat
and like hoping that somebody would reach out. I get
how dramatic that is, and I get how irrational that is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I also understand though, too, in my emotional moments, I
would probably like Catherine says, oh yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I went, I would have maybe just muted it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
But that's there is you know, like the dude with
the sign. Have you ever heard seen him on Instagram?
Dude with a sign. There's one he's holding up and
he's saying just mute, don't unfollow, very demure, very classy,
or something like, yeah, I probably should have taken that advice,

(01:00:52):
which I would have seen that sign. Yeah. I feel
like everything in that moment was very irrational. I'm very dramatic.
And when I look back at it, him just like whoa,
Like what was going on in your life to make
those decisions? And again, I just you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
Didn't commit a felony. You just left chat. Yeah, I
don't think it is. I also think things get noisy.
It's like, oh my word, like I just need this,
Like I need this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I muting a group chat doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
You can see if you're already in odds with people, people,
Oh she just wants attention, Like I can forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I totally get that. And I wasn't like, oh, please,
like everybody come and save me, like, but I was
there was a part of me that was like hoping
that like Macon Mchayla would have like called and been
like who what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
What are you doing? You know, and it would have
been like I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
So can you help me?

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Back?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I think that that's fair. I mean, it may not
be the best way to handle something, but w you're
in a way reaching out or you're asking for help
in a sense, you know what I mean, Like it
may not be the right way want someone to go
like you're like I'm not okay. Can someone please see
this and call me, you know what I mean? And
that's I think that when you really get down to it,

(01:02:13):
when we make these emotional, rash decisions, all of us,
you know, especially when we're hormonal and all the things
you're fighting with your friends, you know, I think that
you can usually see that there's a reason behind it all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
It's not just to be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
And there's a scene that isn't in the show where
after the divorce party, there's another scene where we go
to another party and we're all together and I'm confronting
everyone about what Jesse had told me, like may being
like what is going on? Like you know, and then
people saying these things and I'm even saying those moments

(01:02:49):
like oh, I can totally get that, like I see that,
like yeah, I do have a very controlling personality, and
oh my gosh, like I'm so sorry, bah, And I
still felt attacked, like I'm just like God, like I
don't know what to say, like what do you want?
Do you want from me? Like I just didn't know,
and so leaving that that when I was just like

(01:03:13):
I don't know, I'm done. But you don't see that
scene in the show, But that's when I like separated myself.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
That's when they all went to Vegas and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
One last thing, too, is what do you do with
the comments? Because there's been a lot of Kat even
mentioned something today in our group, there's been some comments
that people will leave the lead comments about your husband.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
What were they saying earlier?

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
Oh, everybody thinks that he's gay?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I didn't know that, but I never thought about it, honestly,
and then I saw those comments.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
So I'm like, what do you do with the personal
hate comments towards you? Which again, people are just so
nasty and they just think that people are immortal and
not humane, And then how do you kind of because
there is for me, anytime I would go into my
DMS or read anything about my husband, it was immediate
like it is something and they be discovered today, IM
going to find out a new discovery?

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Am I going to?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Is something going to come to light? So I'm curious,
like do you have that direction? Are you guys just
so together that like you're.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah, like we just laugh about it. Yeah, it's just
so ridiculous. I think it's because there's a scene where,
like I'm telling my friends. It's the scene with in
the first episode with Macy Machayla to me and Taylor
and I'm telling my friends for the first time, like
everything that happened, and Mikayla says something like I can
see how he was like confused sexually or something, and
I feel like people just like totally took that out

(01:04:28):
of context. And then also the change of the hairstyles.
But yeah, I'm like, do I need to put out
a sex tape or something because I think we're fine.
He's definitely not good. Yeah, we're good, man, So we
just laugh about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Well, and then your personal stuff, anything you want to
say to those people my personal no, like people that
are so awfully rude on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
What's that one?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
There's this CARDI be comes up and she accepts a
word and she like, thanks to all my haters because
those are the one paying my bills or something like.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Whatever, Like I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Like I again, if you were to ask me when
I was going through what I was going through with
when Liam was in the hospital, Oh yeah, I was
so affected by that because I had never experienced anything
like that. But then now I know, I'm just like
people are gonna say whatever they want, and that's fine.
They have the freedom to say that, Like, go for it.
Now I get to choose what do I get to
accept into my life and what I'm not going to accept.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
My therapist calls it letting the gas in. She's like,
when you open up the window, you're letting the gas in.
Do you want to let the gas in or do
you want to close you know, She's like, why would
you want to gas yourself with comments? And I was like, Okay,
you're so right, I'm going to close the door and
not open it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Yeah, And unfortunately, a lot of times, I really feel
like those people who are leaving such nasty comments are
usually people that are just not happy with their.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Own life saying that, man, yeah, that's where I also, yeah, tell,
I'm like I always pray for them. I'm like, I
hope their hearts can soften and whatever they're going through.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Because I'm just like, when I read it, I'm just like,
I would never ever out of my way to say
what you had just said to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well, they were kind of obsessed to It's almost like
thanks for being so obsessed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
And that's what I mean. With CARDI Ba'm just like great,
like keep in my engagement up, keep on coming like
it just it doesn't affect me. What hurts most is like, yeah,
the friendships that I had had from the cast and
probably seeing stuff like that, videos that are made, or
what's being said about me from them, that's definitely what
hurts the most.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Well, Whitney, thank you for coming on. I'm really glad we.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Got to do this to me too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
I like you, come back, come back around, full circle
the bye girl.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Thank you