Talking UBI and Human Centered Economy with Congressional Candidate, David Kim

Today Cody and Katy chat with David Kim, a congressional candidate from CAs 34th district, and talk about UBI, human centered economy, and challenging the democratic establishment among other things. Meanwhile, Robert naps.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart
Radio Together everything, So don't why Hello, Welcome back to

(00:23):
the Worst Year Ever. My name is Katie Still, that's wild.
My name isn't. I've got a different one and it
is Cody Johnston. Uh. Today we are recording without Robert
because he needed the week off like I needed it
off last week. And that's just how we roll sometimes. UM.
Sophie's here though, that's quite never leave, she doesn't. UM.

(00:44):
Today we have something special for you, guys, and that
is an interview with David Kim, who is running for
California's thirty four district. Uh. He is wonderful. We just
had a very interesting conversation with him about U B I,
about human centered economy UM, and just challenging the establishment

(01:10):
and I I found it inspiring. UM. I think I
won't speak for you guys. Hey, I don't disagree. He
doesn't disagree. That's different than our catchphrase on even More News,
which I don't disagree with you completely. Yeah, it was great.
It was a great conversation. UM, and you're gonna listen

(01:33):
to it. You're gonna listen to it right now. So
today we are very excited to be joined by David Kim,
who is running for California's thirty four congressional district. Hi David,
Hi Katie, thank you so much for having me. Oh,
we're thrilled to have you. How are you doing We'll

(01:55):
start off with an easy one. Maybe that's not an
easy question. Actually that's hard to die Agraham and dissect. Yeah, yeah, no,
I'm I'm doing fine. I'm very grateful. Um, definitely very
one of the few fortunate ones that get to work
from home and then also campaign as well. So yeah,
I'm very fortunate, and I think right now the focus

(02:16):
is just too how do we help each other? How
do we do this in the short term immediately right now,
but then how do we do this long term where
we're not out doing our government and helping each other? Yeah, um,
I want to I want to hear a little bit
about your background and you know, how you decided to

(02:36):
run for office. I'm also curious to know what campaigning
is like right now. You know, we don't have the
same traditional methods of going out necessarily, I think, and
if you guys are going door to door or anything
like that. But yeah, because that was a lot of
questions wrapped into one question background, how did you decide

(02:59):
to run? What does campaign? So just like, what's up?
How's it going? Yeah? What's up? How's it going? So? Yeah?
So my name is David. I am currently an immigration attorney.
I live here in CD thirty four. I moved to
Los Angeles in two thousand ten. I've lived here for
the past ten years. When I graduated from law school,
I started working at the d a's office at l

(03:20):
A County, UH, and then the county went on a
firing hiring freeze, and so I started working in labor
and employment litigation on the plaintiff side. So I would
sue employers for unpaid wages, sexual harassment, those types of cases.
And shortly thereafter, I then moved into the entertainment industry

(03:41):
because I felt that there was a need um as
a lot of my friends at the times who were
and even now, um, I mean there's a lot less now,
but back then there were a lot of writer friends,
director friends, acting friends just being charged so much with
excessive high attorney fees and so they would be paying
several thousand dollars and retainers then get charged a percentage

(04:04):
and then be afraid to talk to them on the phone,
so they would ask me for help and I'm and
I'm a labor unemployment I mean, although there are overlapping areas,
I found myself doing a lot of their legal counsel
work for free, which which is fine for me and
helping them, but it's like, why are you afraid to
talk to your a thousand dollar in our attorneys, Like
you should be demanding them to do stuff for you,

(04:26):
but obviously they can't because of the money and everything
involved with that. So I felt that there was a
need there, so I created the Hollywood Lawyer dot Com
in two thousand, fourteen October just to fill in the
need for Hey, we can't be taking money and taking
an advantage of our creatives because they gave up everything

(04:46):
to to do creative stuff for us to be the
thought thought provokers, to be the thought creators, and we
can't be taking advantage of that. And so I saw
a need for creating affordable legal services for a creative
niche um serve uses. And at the time, you really
couldn't get an attorney just to look over a contract
before you had to sign it three days later or

(05:07):
the next day. You had to have paid a two
thousand dollar retainer first and then book them on appointment,
and so it's very inaccessible for a lot of creatives.
And so we filled that void of creating flat fee services,
of providing very affordable flat fee rates, contingency rates, uh,
and just kind of on the ghost things that you

(05:28):
can just really need, whether it be hey, I need
a red line written review of all the things that
need to be changing my contract. Can you give me
that in the next four eight hours. Yes, we can.
We'll help you. Do you want an oral consultation on
top of that, Okay, let's do it. So it's it
was making these services more affordable and more accessible because
a lot of our creatives are being taken advantage of
signing away their rights, um signing away their options without

(05:50):
getting any value for that. And so we did that,
or I did that for about four or five years.
Um I sold the Hollywood lawyer. At the time, there
wasn't any type of legal practice that that was like ours.
And so now you have Counsel for Creators and all
of these other smaller legal practices that are that are
providing those services. And so I felt, Okay, I think

(06:10):
I've reached my time here in the industry, so UM.
To be honest, I I kind of wanted to see
what it was like to be on the other side.
So I applied to Sony Pictures to be one of
its legal counsels. I ended up after so many interviews,
I ended up getting a job there director of music
Acquisitions for legal Um. I spent my nine months there.

(06:32):
If I had stayed what several more years, I could
probablyly now start to pay off my two thousand of
law school loans that I haven't been able to pay
off for all these years because I've I've, like most
of my I've I've I've worked that daily grind and
hustle life of working two to three jobs. I remember
there were so many days where I'd worked free as
an attorney and then drive for Lift and Uber from

(06:53):
seven pm to three am every day, and so so
now it was like, yes, David, like a sane mind
would tell you to just stay at Sony, don't quit
your job, and just pay off your law school loans
and do it. But in the reality of my neighborhood
and where I live, the average rent here for one
bedroom apartment is two thousand a month, but the per

(07:14):
capita income is fifteen and so when you have families
living to to a bedroom apartment, it's like, okay, I
I felt like I was living in two completely different worlds,
um kind of. And it was just this, this overall realization.
And this had started building up ever since I had
helped out on Kenneth Mahia's campaign in two thou eighteen.

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So that's where I was really activised politically because I
had missed the two thousand sixteen Bernie Our Revolution moment.
And so during all of this time and these deeper realizations,
I thought, holy sh it, Like life isn't supposed to
be this hard or tough for anybody, Like the struggle
shouldn't be this real, Like what's going on? Like we
shouldn't be working for the all of our lives until

(07:56):
the last day that we breathe. Like that's not what
life is supposed to be like. And so it hit
me on a deeper level. Um And during all of
this time while doing the Hollywood Lawyer, while working at Sony,
I was also a local neighborhood council board member of
MacArthur Park Neighborhood Council. Although um it could have a
lot more power. It's at least something that we as
a community members as residents can hold onto. Yeah, I

(08:19):
wish the neighborhood council system could do a lot more.
And so for those who are listening, Los Angeles has
ninety nine neighborhood councils, and each neighborhood council serves forty residents.
And so what we have the power to do is
to give our opinion on any zoning projects that come
in any um and so in a way we're able
to stop gentrification as much as possible so that our

(08:41):
community members aren't displaced and so um. And so the
neighborhood council system allows us to actually have a say
to cling onto whatever status quo is. Although we're not
fond of status quo. At least this is what we
know because we don't know if something worse is going
to come, because we've seen our families and neighbors move
an hour or two hours away leaving Los Angeles. And

(09:03):
that's not the city that we need to become. Because
if we really prioritize the people and find solutions that
actually work, then we can all still be intact, still
keep our community safe. Um. But it's a matter of
what are our communities needs and concerns, And right now,
our communities are so financially distressed. We have a thirty
five plus year income wage stagnation, ever increasing widening wealth gap.

(09:27):
We have people that pre COVID nineteen had two to
three jobs to make ends meet, and currently they have
no jobs to make ends meet, and they have no
health insurance. And yet are elected officials continue to preach
this message of oh, universal health care. Oh now we're
going to take it out. Oh yeah, our d NC
platform just voted to not prioritize Medicare for all anymore

(09:48):
because we're not in that moment anymore. When when we're
all more ever in that moment because nobody has health insurance.
And so so when you see like these elected officials
just preaching, oh, well, we'll give you medicare for all
or health care for all, but then they're taking money
from pharmaceutical companies, healthcare companies. They're saying free education for all,
but then they're taking money from student decollectors. In a way,

(10:10):
it's like, how crazy are we to continue reelecting the
same officials two years after two years after two years,
it's like I think it's on us now to realize,
and it's not in an accusatory or judgmental way, but
it's more of a hey, like they they actually work
for us, And it's kind of really waking up and

(10:30):
bringing out that true perspective of they actually work for us,
and if their job is to represent the will of
the people and they're not doing it, all right, let's
vote for somebody else. And so that's why I'm running. Yeah,
which is actually very interesting in terms of the trajectory
of your career that you've just laid out, because it's

(10:52):
exactly what you were doing with Hollywood. I mean, these
lawyers that you're talking about that people were afraid to,
you know, push for the you know, push back on
the money issues and all of that stuff. That they're
supposed to work for people. But the system is broken,
or you may guess that's the system is designed, how
it's designed to work. But like, you know, showing an

(11:14):
alternative path and what you're everything you're saying really resonates
with me. I've been talking about this a lot with
people in my conversations. You know, it's easy to say
to fall into this US versus them mentality left versus right,
and sure I've got lots of complaints about the right,

(11:35):
but also we need to step up, we need to
be accountable, We need to try harder and keep pushing
for UH officials that actually worked for us, as you're saying,
because just saying get the Democrat in isn't cutting it.
The democrats, so many democrats, the system, the establishment UM

(11:59):
is serving the same systems that aren't working, you know,
and they're they're ingrained. So that's why I'm so so
thrilled to have candidates like you stepping up and and
talking about some really dramatic, drastic things that need to
happen to actually be serving the communities. UM. You're running

(12:19):
on a very progressive platform, which is very exciting to us,
even endorsed by Andrew Yang and Marian Williamson. Am I right,
UM your supporter of U B I met a care
for all green, new Deal homes guarantee UM. And and
I'd love to have you walk us through some of
these issues and and and talk about how you arrived

(12:42):
on these positions and everything, UM, because we could start
with you b I. It's it's not a new concept,
but it's it's relatively new to many Americans. I think,
you know, Andrew Yang's campaign brought it to the forefront
of our conversations this election cycle. Um. And of course
he exited the race before the pandemic hit. But now

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I think we're having these conversations under a new lens. Um.
You know, many people have been pushing for U B
I as something as a response to the pandemic, and
and what we got was far short the U b
I um or, you know, but now more than ever,
something like this is imperative and were and when Andrew

(13:27):
brought that up during his campaign, people laughed at him,
and now everybody and now everybody's like, hm, hmmm, what
about that? But could you I mean, I think a
lot of our listeners have a fairly good grasp on UBI,
but I'd love to have you walk us through it. Um. I. Also,
I'm hoping that we all can have a takeaway of
of easy ways that we can talk about it with

(13:48):
our relatives and loved ones, you know, moving forward, destigmatizing
things in a ways important part of this conversation. But yeah,
I'd love to hear your thoughts. Yeah, for sure. Thank
you so much for asking that question. Katie. Universal basic
income is probably one of the most progressive things out there,
and so for people to suddenly now catch on, it's like,

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oh and and and it's a it's a good thing
because it's not like, oh, why didn't you catch on sooner? No,
I'm glad and happy right that you caught before. It
was cool kind of stuff, you know, exactly. So it's like,
why do we have even have to go there? Like,
I'm glad that you know about it now, and and
so let's talk about ways that we can implement it.

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Um but pulling back just for a sight before I
go back into there. For for our platform, we're focused
really on empowering the American people in our communities again
because the focus has not been on our people the
past thirty forty years. And so for us, it's like, okay, so, David,
what does putting the focus on the people look like?
And it's very basic elements of do our people have

(14:54):
access to good food? Can they eat good food? Like?
Can they have it? Like? Is it hard to get it? Like?
Do they have access to good healthcare and education? Do
they have a room to sleep in with the roof
over their head? Are they able to pay for basic expenses.
And these are the very basic things and and and ensuring,
because if a government is one that is of the people,

(15:16):
for the people, and by the people, then it should
be taking care of the people. It's not. It's not
some radical socialist or whatever crazy idea you want to
put on it. It's a very basic practical result of
what a government, a representative government, is supposed to be.
And if we're paying our tax and money into the

(15:36):
system and we're not seeing this, then we can demand
for something else. And so now going back into the
UBI parts, So the UBI part takes care of the
basic expenses, but I think beyond that, what it really
represents is it it starts addressing this thirty forty plus
year income wage stagnation that's been happening, this widening wealth gap,

(15:58):
even before going to automation, which is probably an equally
important area and reason, but even before that, our people
are financially distressed and depressed right now, and that affects
them not just in their finances, mentally emotionally as well,
and it contributes to more unrest ease. And and I

(16:19):
come from a child, and I'm not gonna say I
come from I come from as a child from domestic violence,
and my parents fought mostly because of money. UM and
the fact that we're putting the strain onto our families
and our communities and saying you deal with it without
giving them bootstraps or boots even is is is the

(16:40):
biggest evil that we could be doing. UM is the
biggest evil that they could be doing to us. And
I think it's really our time to wake up and realize,
holy sh it, Like, yeah, we're talking about it, but
it just doesn't end here at talking where it goes
a lot further and so what a U b I
would really do? I mean for those who also aren't
aware of you b I. Another good reason is for automation,

(17:00):
because we see a lot of our jobs being automated,
especially during now in COVID nineteen, because there are a
lot of people who are afraid to go ahead and
risk their health and going out and working a lot
of restaurants. I I forgot what restaurant they were showing
a video on CNN of how they have robot cooks
now and what and they're cooking the food and so

(17:22):
so it was and I'll send you that link when
I see it. But it's just it's in the sense
of everything is being automated to the point of like
if you go to the warehouses and Amazon, or if
you go um like, you'll see automation in your face happening.
And even from my legal industry, I know that the
co founders of legal Zoom, they've created something else that

(17:42):
will now be displacing even more attorneys. Um who And
I get that we have this this automatic bias against attorneys.
But for those who graduate in recent years with the
legal economy with ship like, they still have two hundred
thousand dollars loan that and they're unable to pay it. Um.
So I think there's a different time and era for
these occupations. And even with that, like with law schools

(18:05):
pumping in students and pumping out and there's so many
areas that we can start tackling and addressing in terms
of where, what are we doing and why are we
not being efficient in all of these ways. So the
idea of u b I is to help UH kind
of buffer the different changes that could happen when automation occurs.
So that's the second reason. But on an overall skill,

(18:28):
U b I imagine practically what it would do to
an area in our district where the per capita income
is twelve to fifteen thousand dollars, having a ubi of
even a thousand dollars a month would double their income,
would be able to increase their ability to not be
strapped and chained to their minimum wage jobs that they
hate or whatever other jobs with conditions that they don't prefer,

(18:51):
and they would it would allow them to have the
flexibility and freedom and breathing room to actually breathe now
and to consciously make choices, because we're always making these
choices in our reactive parasympathetic state, being all in this
freight fight or freeze mode because of the conditions that
we've created our people to live in. And so if
we were able to give our people some breathing space

(19:13):
where now they have the ability to go ahead and
take a class, to go ahead and transition into a
different career, or go ahead and be able to work
for a job that's part time and still have the
finances to be able to still pay for their basic expenses.
And there's the fungibility aspect. What U Katie referenced earlier
is one of the big keys, not just in terms
of stigma. But in terms of we as the people,

(19:36):
we know best what we need our money for. And yes,
I'm grateful our family lived on safety net programs, but
like my my food assistance isn't going to help me
with paying my rent. There are times that the food
assistance like it'll be so handy and so helpful, but
there are times where I could be using assistance elsewhere.
And so why add all of the bureaucratic tape, the

(19:59):
extra government in between, the all the extra means, testing
and hurdles to prove that I don't have money to
pay rent or poop food on the table. Why do
we do that extra unnecessary pain and suffering to our
people and then to ourselves on our bandwidth wise, when
we could actually putting our focus on other things in
terms of creating an infrastructure for our people, making sure

(20:20):
that every community taken care of, like this is where
we could actually be spending more of our time in.
And so for me, I think what got me to
go into the entertainment industry and I saw that need
and what got me to go here was there are
so many things in areas that we could be cleaning
up right now on just a practical level, even putting
party politics aside, like it doesn't make sense that we

(20:43):
continue in our imperialistic conquests around the world. Although some
might not think, oh David was didn't imperialism ends, like well,
I don't know. We're still living it out. And it's
there's no need for us to be pouring money into
this and that even in and of itself, isn't a
party politics thing. Everyone's doing, whether you're Republican or Democrat.

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And so it's it's rethinking what are we doing as
a government, and how are we holding our officials accountable
and so what I'm very grateful despite what people may
think of Bernie and oh he's traded or whatnot, I'm
still super grateful that he let us out of our
bird cage. I'm grateful that Andrew did to Mary Anne, Tulsie,
all of these people did. I'm grateful that Ao season office,

(21:23):
Ilhano Mars in office, Rashida as an office. Uh. I'm
sorry sorry that I'm saying by the first name. They're
just Dianna Pressley's in office. But these people are what
help us. Are are are are the people that empower
us to become our own true and powerful selves and
enable us to walk out more in our truth and

(21:44):
freedom where now we have not just people and a
year ago, I never would have thought I'd be running
for office right now, but I am. But it's it's
it's breaking that whole stereotype of oh, there's a certain
image that only runs for office, but no, a rep
resenative government looks like one that is made up of
from people from all different kinds of backgrounds, occupations and

(22:06):
facets of life. And that's what we need to move
towards and how do we get there. And so that's
the thing that we need to be doing. I told
my boyfriend, Hey, babe, once we reached the six yeared Mike,
You're like, you're pulling me out and pull me yanked
me out because I'm just in and out, like I
really just want to see change and helps spark that.
So that's a really important point there. I Mean, there's
so much to impact on what you just said, but

(22:27):
touching on that first, Yeah, we need people that come
in and serve their time and and you know, bring ideas.
And we also need people do not grow old in
office and to get stuck in the same and get
used to having power over people and society. UM, it's

(22:47):
like that, you know, power, power corrupts, but not me,
not well together everything UBI. I mean yeah, like I said,
so many things that you mentioned that really stand out

(23:09):
to me. Uh, the first one being what you suggested,
like your background or people having different sorts of issues
at home that on the surface seem unrelated to money,
but it can all be traced back to money. And
I think people are palpably feeling this right now as
tensions are high, and they're feeling their own mental health

(23:30):
or stability, uh, emotional well being being fraid, as they're
trying to figure out how to meet make ends meet. UM.
And the other thing about UBI, and look, I will
admittedly say that even I've always I've been interested in
UBI for a long time, and when we started having
these conversations, as exciting as it was, it felt daunting.

(23:51):
It felt like a daunting task to tackle at this
point in time. But at the same time, you know,
you look at Bernie's anders. Medicare for all a while back,
wasn't something that people considered a possibility, and now it is.
You start talking about it, you start destigmatizing it, and

(24:11):
you start planting the seeds that this is actually not
only a possibility but a necessity. Um And and changing
the general perception in this pandemic one thing has exposed
all the cracks in this foundation. And the other thing
that I thought of as we were talking is just
the basic concept of that our world is changing. Um.

(24:34):
And with all this turmoil, you have a loss of
freedom to think outside the box. You know, you're in
this grind of trying to make ends meet well, and
how are people going to come up with the next
big idea? How do we uh free ourselves to continue
to expand and solve the problems that we're facing because

(24:56):
we've got a lot of them. And and you be
I feels like a very good start for for laying
that foundation and fixing our foundation. Um. And it's possible.
I don't know how you go about making it happen,
but it is possible. We've been giving out all this
money to the wrong people during this pandemic when they

(25:18):
could have authorized something that is a monthly payment to
people to make ends meet, to to say that you're supported,
that you know we're protecting you during this time, and
not sending billions of dollars to you know, huge corporations
in in in lawmakers anyway, yeah, or the Pentagon, Yeah,

(25:41):
they they they allocated more funding for fighter jets. Um,
oh my god, the relief. That's that's COVID relief, right there,
more fighter jets that we don't need. Yeah. And and
and you make a very great point about that, Katie.
During that time where people don't have money to buy
food or pay rent, like, you should give the people

(26:03):
money direct cash relief right now. Um. Whether and whether
that looks like two thousand dollars a month during the
pandemic and then after a thousand a month, because everybody
will still be recuperating. Um. And that's the way to
get money into the hands of people the fastest, because
once you do a whole means tested and and go
through all these departments, like people still haven't gotten there

(26:26):
one time stimulus check from last time. And it's it's this,
it's this lack of realization or deliberate ignorance and pushing
away or or not. I guess ignorance can't be delivered.
It could be ignorance could be but pushing away the
fact the fact that our people are the economy. We

(26:48):
are the economy. If we don't have money, there's no economy,
like nothing will be running and so and so the
government they have their own separate economy, which is the
war industry, military industrial complex economy that they're doing. But
it's it's a matter of realizing, like we the people
do matter on a collectively on our own skill as well,
but then on the government side realizing, holy sh it,

(27:10):
like we need a conscious check here, like and I
hate to hate to I'm not bringing any religion into it,
but there needs to be some sort of spiritual or
emotional or or a revolution in our conscious that had
needs to happen in d C right now. And that's
what Mary Anne kept on driving on of we need
to have a revival of of actually humanity and self.

(27:31):
And that's where Andrew Yang brought his whole humanity first element,
and that's what a lot of these candidates had in mind,
was we need to remember the human race, like we
need to help each other right now. Um, I'm getting passionate,
sim lifting, gesticulating and so so so in a way
like and it's not it's and it seems crazy at

(27:52):
first because when I remember when I heard UBI for
the first time, I thought what are you serious? Nah,
come on like you know, like your Asian and you're
saying that you do the math and all of it.
But because I hadn't heard about UBI until first learning
about Andrew, which was a while before the debates, a
lot before that, and once I started going down the

(28:12):
rabbit hole, rabbit hole, I found, holy crap. Martin Luther
King Jr. Was preaching about this in his last book,
Spooking Speaking Tour Where Do We Go From Here around
nineteen six nine sixty nine when he was assassinated, and
that was one of the things he was proposing. He
was saying, we do all of these great things to
help the poor and to eradicate poverty, and we we

(28:32):
do all of these programs and implementations, but when it
comes to the implementation of it all, we solve everything
else first, and then we come down last to poverty,
and it's never solved and it's always unaddressed. And he says,
the only way we can do it with is a
basic income, and so he had fought for that. It
almost it passed in the House, didn't pass in the Senate,
and that happened twice. I think it was nineteen seventy

(28:54):
one and another year, and so this has happened throughout history.
Thomas Payne, one of our four founding fathers, supported He didn't.
He thought it was absurd that a human being could
own land, let alone in American because even before we
came over, the first Americans came over from from Great
Britain and from other countries. The Native Americans were there,

(29:14):
and they were they were there too, but then before then,
the land was already there, and so it was this
idea of nobody can own land, and so he created
he was proposing creating a lound Land Endowment Tax Fund
into which those over certain age would pay a land
tax and from their basic income would be distributed. Unfortunately
that that didn't pass. But there's been movements along the

(29:36):
way in history, and similarly, although it's not it's it's
different types of right. We have the civil rights movement,
the Women's movement, UH and and different movements and suffrage
movements along the way. But now is a time where
we're in that process where it's another revolution, another change,
another big series of change. That's point that's about to happen,

(29:57):
and and right now we need to realize whole the crap,
like we're we've come this far and we need to
continue more because we do see it building before our eyes. You, UM,
I don't know if you are aware. There's a party
that just formed. Um it's called for a People's Party,
and they're really trying to get on the ball and
get rolling. By two and and we have probably a

(30:18):
record number of Downbell congressional candidates running across the nation
for their primary races this selection cycle. We have many
more forming chapters and groups in the off spurs of
the organizations that Bernie started with Our Revolution, that Andrew
started with Humanity Ford, et cetera. And so we're now
slowly building a movement that's that can only grow bigger.

(30:40):
So for us right now, it's an exciting time, but
it's also a very serious time where we can't lose focus,
where we can't compromise, like we can't compromise by continuing
to fund a seven forty billion plus dollar Pentagon military
budget anymore. We can't compromise in these things. But it's
a matter of then how do we go up out
doing it like and this is where we need to

(31:02):
come and have a deeper conversation with those in our
communities and those in d C where we're actually talking
with our communities first and saying, hey, what are your
basic concerns and needs right now? Okay, how would you
like that to be responded to? What would help you
out the most? Right now? What would help you thrive?
Taking that and then articulating that back into legislation in DC.

(31:24):
And that's the process that should be happening instead of
their legislating amongst themselves then coming back to our communities
with the crumbs that they have and saying, hey, look
what we got for you. Um. And so this whole
mindset just everything needs to change. But what's the answer, David,
What should we do? And it's us realizing collectively like
that we have the power. We are the revolution, no

(31:45):
matter how much of a cliche it might sound like,
we are the fucking revolution. We are the economy. We
as long as we say that we matter and take
action individually and collectively, we could be so powerful, so
powerful they're we forget that and they want us to
forget that. Yeah, yeah, because they control us through poverty.

(32:08):
That's why they don't want to give us. That's why
they don't want to give us another that's why they
want to means test that stimulus check even more. That's
why they want to cut off the percentage of the
expanded unemployment benefits. Just so on and so forth. They
control us through poverty, saying stuff like, you know, people
aren't returning to work because they're getting so much more
money on unemployment, instead of acknowledging the fact that we're

(32:30):
in the middle of a pandemic. Also, excuse me, they're
getting paid not that much money. People aren't getting that
much money on unemployment. Let's just accept that. And why
the so some people might be making more money on
their unemployment than at their job. That's a problem. Why

(32:51):
is that? Okay? I mean, like and and so using
that as a as a way to stigmatize people who
are receiving money from the government to you know, cover
costs of living is ghoulish to me. Um, you know,
and back to your point earlier about like, okay, so
assistance to help with food, that's great, but like I

(33:13):
need it for rent And why do I have to
jump through all this red tape to justify how I
need to spend money to come, you know, to to
live anyway gets me frustrated. Sorry, Cody, did you had
something you wanted to say? And I just kind of bold, right,
it's very very passionate. Um no, I's I mean, there's
just so much to talk about this and like what

(33:35):
our America is very skewed idea of what freedom is
and like rugged individuality and the fact like ignoring the
fact that we are really all in this together and
we are You judge a society by how they treat
their poor, and like if you lift up everybody that's
the poorest, then everybody above them will be lifted up
as well. UM. One one one of my so one

(33:58):
of my things about you, b I actually is um
And this was more I think maybe more of a
communication uh issue on Yang's part at least, um where
if you're giving so like you're giving money, like let's
say two grand a month everybody. If we live in
a society where if you add up like rent and
food and uh and heat and like all all the

(34:20):
like the basic needs. You know, we have a hierarchy
of needs that we all kind of understand, like well,
food and water, shelter, those kinds of things. But if
you can't if you can't pay for all of those
things in a month with the two thousand dollars, then
the UBI seems more like, um, kind of like a
band aid, like okay, well we'll give you some money. Um.
And I guess I'm wondering if there's any sort of uh,

(34:43):
I guess you to be U B I requires looking
at other aspects of society to bring those costs down too,
so that if I were to give somebody two thousand
dollars a month, they can pay their rent, they can
buy food, they can do all the things that are
required to survive as a human being with that too.
Grand Um, if that were to happen, Yeah, I guess YEA,

(35:04):
I'm still wondering if you have any thoughts about that. Yeah. No,
those are very great points. And I am I am
not a believer that one solution will solve everything because
while and that's why our platform is really addresses each
of those needs, so for having a roof room and

(35:24):
a roof to sleep under a home's guarantee, for paying
your basic expenses, universal basic income for healthcare, Medicare for all,
for education, free education and vocational schools UH, and cancelation
of student debt. So for us, it's realizing a U
b I is not going to immediately solve all of
your financial needs for the month. But even right now

(35:46):
or pre COVID nineteen, we had seventy of Americans living
paycheck to paycheck each month, most having most not having
savings more than three to four hundred dollars UM. And
imagine what kind of relief that would do for our
people on an emotional, on a mental level. First of all,
on on that level, and then it's also attacking all

(36:06):
of those areas you mentioned. Why do we have astronomical
pharmaceutical costs and healthcare costs? Like that's crazy. It's because
we have executives making billions and trillions off of us UM.
That's why that's where the money is going. Like where
do you get the money? It's like, will you take
it from them? Like it's right and simple. These corporate

(36:27):
interests that have become the main constituents of our elected officials,
and they're not they're not they're they're their corporate entities.
They're not human beings. But suddenly they've become constituents of
our elected officials. So it's changing that um, changing how
we go ahead and do everything else. With with housing,
for instance, we have over seventy billion dollars in federal

(36:50):
public housing that needs improvements right now, and nothing's being
done with that. We have paid to place schemes in
so many cities across the nation in and even our
probably a lot of us, our own federal elected officials,
are engaging in those two. And so it's this turning
a blind eye to corruption in your face is also

(37:11):
a thing that drives all of our housing concept, the
gentrification of it all. And so it's realizing while we
go ahead and supply all these needs, we also need
to have a responsibility and a justice element to it.
And so that's where our campaign platform comes in. So
instead of naming our committee paid for by David Kimp
for Congress, one of the things I've learned growing up

(37:32):
is a name really gives you a lot of power
and identity. Um, her my mom and what my dad
told me and so so are the name of our
campaign committee. It's pretty long. It's paid for by David
Kimp for Congress. Financial freedom, the financial freedom part empowering
our people. Love. What does love look like? From an
elected official? Love looks like taking care of and caring
for your people, spending less of your money creating these

(37:55):
regime change, endless wars abroad and taking that money and
caring for your people. Um and then justice for all.
We need justice to ensure that everyone continues to be
treated equally and fairly and have that access. So what
does that look like. That means banning corporate money from elections.
We we can't. We need to wash out all corporate
money from elections. It doesn't make sense that you get

(38:17):
elected to office because you have the most corporate donors
behind your campaign war chest and funds you to office.
And even though you've knocked less doors than your challengers
combined or or individually, even though you've called and talked
to less constituents than any of your challengers. And so
it's it's a matter of this moral revolution that needs
to happen on the justice side, not just in the government,

(38:40):
but now everything that we're also doing, because actions speak
louder than words. Why are we militarizing our police, Why
are we invading the rights of our own people by
allowing espionage rights against our own people through through through
the BS and excuse of oh no, it's for foreign
power and foreign national security. But then why are you
doing that? To your own people, and why are we

(39:02):
oppressing our communities? And so it's this accountability aspect of
our platform, which is the justice aspect of No, it
doesn't make sense that more than two thirds of the
people that are incarcerated are black and brown people. It
doesn't make sense that more than two thirds of the
people living in federal public housing currently and we're completely
neglecting the seventy billion dollars and improvements that need to

(39:24):
be made, two thirds of them are black and brown. So, like,
we see institutionalized racism before our eyes, but we're not
doing anything about it. We see this blatant war against poverty,
but we're not doing about it. And so now it's
time for us for people to really stand up to
identify it and just call it out. Um. But obviously
media won't shine a light on those people, and so UM,

(39:46):
I'm super thankful that Katie and and you all offered
me this time to be on your platform because this
is the one of the ways that we can share
with other people and expanding that knowledge because the main
media won't do it well. Together everything, so all of

(40:11):
this seems to go along with you. Another part of
your website that I was really compelled by which is
the human centered economy? You know, the adjusting of how
we think about the economy. And I loved that. Um,
are there more things you want to speak to that
specific point? I mean, I do think that we've been
talking about it this whole time. It's all hand in hand.

(40:32):
But I love I love that phrasing too. I mean
these bullet points. Human beings are more significant than money
and life. I worked, I was working in human resources.
When I would interview for jobs right out of college,
I'd be like, I want to put the human back
in human resources for you. I did think that you
met a past life past life at first, Um, and

(40:54):
that was like this will be interesting there. I was like,
were you a human being? I was like, okay, I'll
go for this. Red. I had a psychic once told
me that I I was a dolphin in a past life.
I died in the ocean, and that's why I don't
like the ocean that much. I do think you were
a dolphin in past life? The author? Does it does fit? Um? David?

(41:19):
You also Oh no, sorry, go ahead, No. I was
just gonna say, dolphins are so cute. I wish I
can anyhow I want to go see a dolphins scene. Well,
here I am. You touched on the homes guarantee, which
is another thing I wanted to to talk about. Yeah, Um,

(41:39):
on your website you you started this section by saying
we need to pass HR four three five one and
S nine nine, which is the MBI Act. Um. I
want to hear about the homes guarantee, but I also
I would love it if you could explain that a
little bit to us. Yeah, yeah, for sure, Um, Before
I get to that. The human center economy, it's just
basically the idea of if we are supposed to be

(42:00):
a government that prioritize and puts the people first and
do all of these things with universal basic income, Medicare
for all, etcetera, then that's great. But then how do
we ensure that we actually have gauges, good identifiers to
make sure that we're doing that on the track we need.
We don't need measures like GDP of whether measuring whether

(42:23):
or not our countries in a good state are here
in stock market went up like we're doing great exactly, So,
how in the world is that a good gauge and
indicator of where our country is When most of every
one of us are frightened and uncertain and not knowing
what's going to happen or how they're going to pay
their bills and their rent. Like, that's not a good

(42:43):
indicator of where we're at. So we actually need a
job performance evaluation that makes sense. And so that job
performance evaluation of how our government and country is doing
isn't based on stock market or GDP. It should be
based on how our people are doing. So what does
that mean? What does that look like? If we're prioritizing
our people, that are people should be doing well? So
what are the factors we should look out for, like

(43:05):
long life expectancy, health, like where merite, like in all
of these different ways, if we're able to put the
focus on our people in terms of um making, a
focus on job skills, training, on employment, on mental emotional
health care, on taking care of our families, because every
family is a war zone now because we're not we're

(43:25):
putting the financial strain on all of our families, and
we're driving our parents so emotionally and mentally burdened now
they're not able to kind of coincide or exist, co
exists where their emotions and so where does that seem
to that seems to parents, to the and anti parents
as well and amongst themselves, and it creates. And so
that's why our platform also has free I know a

(43:48):
lot of people might think, oh, how are you going
to do that? We have money for it. How do
we just print three extra trillion new dollars and put
that into currency. And so it's a matter of realizing, no,
that we matter in so for our platform, we're we're
including free marriage counseling, free family counseling for all because
a lot of us, majority of us, like believe it

(44:09):
or not, some of us like we were always operating
in our paris sympathetic state in this freight fight or
freeze mode, where we should actually be operating from our
sympathetic state, from a very deep, conscious awareness and responsive
state where we're able to really be healed from all
of the trauma that's been going on in all of us.
And so it's ensuring that our people are not just
financially okay, not just physically okay, but that they're mentally,

(44:33):
mentally and emotionally okay as well. And so these are
the gauges that should be in place for a human
centered economy. Um. Going now to Homes Guarantee. You are amazing,
Thank you, You've got everything, all of these balls that
you're juggling right now. But yes, I like that. Homes
Guarantee is great. Homes Guarantee. The bills that you reference
there the ymbi at Yimbie bills. So basically they're about

(44:55):
removing exclusionary zoning policies, building residential housing, multi dual units
in place that we're not originally zoned out for that,
building multi dwelling accessory units, increasing housing in areas that
that we could see more housing, and not putting these
arbitrary exclusionary zoning laws and land speculation that occurs where

(45:15):
the price of our land just keeps on going up
and there's nobody using that land or the buildings on it,
and so it's getting rid of that. That's a basic.
So now what we need to do on top of
that is called fimby. So we have nimby not in
my backyard yet uh yem b yes, in my backyard uh.
And then fimby is public housing in my backyard. So

(45:36):
it's a matter of So what the Homes Guarantee is
about is providing a set of basic tenants rights for everybody,
because if you think about it, what's the majority of
your income going towards Katie Sophie Cody Rent, rent, rent,
rent number one thing that we're paying but our government
is not doing. Like when Biden first came out with

(45:58):
his task forces several months ago, he had nothing on housing,
and I was like, are you in touch with the
people right now? What in the world's Like the one
of the biggest things that we pay from our monthly
income is rent. We should be having a conversation around this,
and why is it that out of forty one million
renting households in the nation, over twenty million of them

(46:19):
are paying more than a third of their income. Why
is it that out of the forty plus million, twelve
plus million of them are paying more than half of
their income? Like why is that? So these are the
things we need to talk about. So it's establishing UM
guidance and laws, and it's for the majority of our
people tenants not to be taking advantage of because that's

(46:40):
not right UM on moral and practical level. And number two,
improving making expenditures towards the seventy billion dollars in federal
public housing improvements that need to be made. That's institutionalized
racism right there. Um. And it's also for for Los
Angeles and particularly for for those who aren't aware, we
have less than tenth in public housing units. This is

(47:02):
very small compared to other cities and counties where they
have two hundred a couple of few hundred thousand units
in public housing. And the reason why it's back in
the fifties, we had a group that was specifically formed
to stamp out all public housing because they wanted Los
Angeles to be have a nice landscape to rich people
and and to live out that Hollywood life and picture.

(47:22):
And so we don't have public housing, but yet our
people were. That's why our district is the tenth poorest
district in the nation. And we continue to be because,
I mean, we continue to go downward because we're we're
completely being neglected. We're neglecting our people where they need
it the most, and that's housing. What has our people,
What have our city elected officials done with the money

(47:43):
that we've passed a few billion dollars towards building housing
and towards homelessness and eradicating it. They've spent seven hundred
thousand dollars of unit. I think they built a couple
of units, not even. And so it's it's a matter
of wow, like we could be doing so much for
our people right now. And so another main component of
Homes Guarantee is this idea of creating twelve million social

(48:05):
housing units, just like in Europe where and the twelve
million number is based on those experiencing homelessness UM in
our country. And so it's building at least twelve million
social housing units where people won't have to pay more
than a third of their income. Well, there will be
program in policies in place, um, and so it's allowing
for those that shortage now to be addressed on a big,

(48:29):
radical change scale. And so this is these are the
types of change that we really need right now. A
second f drum type of era. UM. I'm not I'm
sure I've mentioned this on one of our podcasts at
some point, UM, but especially like when you were talking
about the Hindi Act. I mean so much what you
said resonates with me. UM. My father for has worked

(48:53):
in nonprofits. He's retired now, but he was running uh
A rehabilitation facility in northern californ and in by that
because of that was you know, on different council boards
and stuff, and and to talk about homelessness and different things.
And in half Moon Bay, for example, there was this
big tract of land and people were we had they

(49:15):
had a developer or somebody that had a plan for
how to quickly build public housing something something they wanted
to do. But the but the hurdle was zoning. The
hurdle was getting permission from the city. And it never
happened because there was no incentive or there was no

(49:37):
like there. It was just too much red tape, too
many things. And it's like, we have the land, you
have the resources, you have somebody willing to do it, um,
And they couldn't pull it together. And and and that.
I'm sure there's more details that I'm missing from this story,
but it's it's so inherently frustrating and wrong. Um. And
for years we've been watching in California and Los Angeles,

(50:00):
in San Francisco the homeless, uh, the in housed population
explode because of all of the stuff that we've been
talking about today. And I see this happening and people
can just walk past it. They don't want to have homelessness,
you know, a blight on the community. They don't want
this lower income stuff. Well, now it's something that you
can't ignore. It's it makes it feel like you know,

(50:25):
two years ago or you know, you just can't ignore
the fact that that this is a crisis and it's
at our doorsteps, and we shouldn't be ignoring it. We
need to be This needs to be a huge priority
for all of us. And it goes back to everything
that we've been saying before. We want our economy to
boom when we need to have people taken care of
and have access to basic resources to live their life,

(50:46):
to to make money, to spend money, um and and yes,
so yeah you're out of steam there, but no, you're
you're and it's this, it's this, and it's this. We
we put our communities in such a paralysis state where
now we have so many unhoused neighbors and and people

(51:09):
we know where we we also want to help, and
we are and that's why we have mutual aid networks
in Los Angeles and other groups that help help out
like Caton for All and Street Watch and a lot
of great groups. But there comes a certain point too,
because we are also using our own resources to give
the limited resources that our government allows for. And so

(51:32):
it's become such a serious point now where like people
are dying, like people are literally dying. Why aren't you
common during hotels to house our unhoused neighbors right now
when when they need a place to stay right now,
especially during a pandemic. Why why is that not being
the first thing being done right now? Um, out of

(51:55):
any elected officials conscious, heart, and mind, why is that
not the first thing? And it's because they see they
only see numbers, they only see money, they only see popularity,
they only see career, job stability to continue to be
reelected because they don't know anything else besides the six

(52:15):
digit salary that they're getting. So they're going to do
all that they can to to hold on to that
job and position. They're going to do all that they
can to continue taking the corporate money that will give
them the emotional security and financial security that everything will
be okay, even though the people are suffering, and they
don't even view the people as human beings were all viewed,

(52:36):
let alone viewing our un housed brothers and sisters as ghosts.
They're viewing now they're starting to view masses of people
as just ghosts and just as subjects in a way,
as just another number, when we're actually all human beings
and not one of us is less than another, not
one soul um. And so it's this moral revolution that
really needs to happen on such a deep, deep level.

(52:57):
And I'm sure there's an element of not seeing them
as voters, you know, seeing people that don't have a
mailing address as somebody that they need to reach out
to for support. UM. The disenfranchiseman is is. The disfranchiseman
is crazy in the sense of whether it be those
of our family neighbors, brothers, and sisters that are incarcerated,

(53:21):
whether it be those that are living on housed, whether
it be those that are living as undocumented workers in
our Latino communities, are our Korean communities and our Thai communities, etcetera.
They are being taxed without representation. That's tyranny. UM. Los
Angeles was built on the labor of our brown brothers
and sisters. They don't have a voice right now, they
don't have a say. But then what the Democratic Party

(53:44):
and machine does in California is because we're California and diverse.
Instead of putting and instead of putting like older white
people in office to to to go ahead and do
what they want, they put people that look like the
people in their communities to this eve them and say, hey,
they're actually legislating on your behalf. But they're completely not

(54:05):
My My opponent says he's all for the immigrant communities,
but he's the one who voted to initially authorizing fund ICE.
And it's like people people don't really go in deeper
into who they're voting for, and they just think, oh,
the person looks like our community, so we're going to
vote for him. No, the Democrats, and I didn't mean

(54:26):
to turn this into a democratic machine, but what I
was about to do. So that's what that's what they're
that's what they're doing in California. They're finding little puppets
to put into place to keep the people under control.
Like that's not right. Yeah, no, no, no no. I I'm
thrilled that you brought this up because the next thing
I wanted to talk to you about was Jimmy Gomez.

(54:49):
He's the Democratic incumbent currently holding district um uh and
so yeah, I wanted you to talk a little bit
about him. Um. And of your experience is running a
against a Democratic incumbent more about elucidated, more about what
you were just saying, essentially, um, what this has been like?

(55:12):
And yeah, I guess just a uh tag on just
sort of your perception of dealing with like the Democratic
Party in general. And if there's a sense of you
can get a sense like everyone like there's a lot
of frustration from the party when people show up to
point out that they're not doing anything or enough and

(55:34):
better things are possible. Basically is a message they're they're
really they're really shy about um, and you can you
can get that sense in a lot of these races
across the country where people are challenging incumbents for not
doing the things that we need to do. Yeah, one
of the main or one of the very good reasons

(55:55):
for running for office and challenging and incumbent is to
off the message, hey, like, the people are holding you
accountable and if you continue not to do what the
people want or what you've promised, then there's a possibility
that you can be voted out of office. And so
that public accountability is what helps our elected officials come

(56:17):
closer to the needle too. Closer to being aligned with
why they were elected into office in the first place. Um,
Jimmy might have been a great he's he's I have
nothing personal against him. I've never met him. He he
might have been a great perhaps and even greater leader,
or or a leader with qualifications. And I don't even
know what the qualifications are. I'm not saying that there

(56:38):
are certain qualifications and I fit that. But he probably
wasn't even ten times a hundred times potential as as
a greater leader than I was when he started. But
right now where he's at like it's completely gone. There's
no fuel left for the people because and how do
I know that? Because he continues to vote according to
party politic interests. Yes, he's a self alleged progressive. Yes,

(56:59):
he's in this EPC, the Progressional Caucus. But what does
that mean? Does that mean that he co sponsors and
supports Representative il han O Mar's rent cancelation more rent
and mortgage cancelation? Nah? What does that mean? That means
he supports he supports a hundred billion dollar rent relief
fund that benefits landlords and that requires tenants to jump
through hoops to prove that they don't have money to

(57:21):
pay rent and put food on the table. He's for that.
He's not for uh. He's for means tested cash relief
UM and not a universal basic income that could go
straight to the pockets of people. There's a multiple bills
out there, whether it be a Senator Kamala Harris's bill
or Representative Rashida to Leive her ABC bill, which is

(57:42):
two thousand dollars recurring monthly cash relief UM. He's not
the type of person that's doing that yet. He's going
around saying I'm progressive. But what we've noticed now since
March is he's actually and if he's listening to this,
I'm glad you're listening. But he's putting he's listening to
you are campaign now because once we started doing a

(58:03):
life a life stoop for COVID nineteen relief to our constituents,
he started doing one. Once we started doing a tech
banking campaign UM sending sending resources to our constituents on
what where to go if they're unable to pay rent,
he started doing that. When we started doing ms on Instagram,
he started doing that. UM. Interesting the other day I

(58:24):
heard that he was very mad that this lefty Uh
Progressive writer podcast how he um he that he wrote
an article about us and about our campaign, and he
was very mad that that he was saying that we
were more progressive than he was. And so so if
that gets him to if that gets him to do

(58:45):
his job, I'm glad and happy that he is. And
so I was actually surprised that he voted yes to
defund the Pentagon by ten percent last week, and I
was like, a good job, jim, I mean felt certainly
take some credit for that. Well, because everything you've been
saying up to this point has been like, oh, he
saw our campaign and he uh is doing the aesthetic

(59:08):
thing or like the actually the campaign thing. He's looking
at your campaign to see what you're doing as a
function in campaign, not saying like, oh, I should also
support medicare for all, Oh I should also support this.
But that's actually like kind of wild that he did. Yeah,
And then and we're gonna and I'm thankful that he
did vote that way, and I give props to Jimmy. Jimmy,

(59:28):
thank you for voting that way. Um, but we're going
to continue pushing him. I know that he was supporting
the United States Postal service. If that's the case, why
did you take twenty five plus dollars in money from
UPS a private competitor? So so I so I retweeted
that yesterday I tweeted his tweet and retweeted, why are
you taking money from UPS? Then? So it's just I

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get I get that you want to make change and
make it happen and show the people that you're really
legislating for them. But do that not just in these
single occurrence moments. Do that as a career. Do that
as a daily lifestyle. Do that in your heart and
intention where it's always flowing in every interview that you have,
like be that person instead of trying to act like
that person. And so it's also and reacting to the

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being challenged, right, It's that that Elliott Angle comment during
the primary. He says, I if there wasn't a primary,
I wouldn't even care about this, Like you literally said
that that out loud, um. And if you're only doing
these things if you're challenged, then maybe it also speaks
to why a person decides to be in office. If

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you're just following what you're told from the establishment, then
you want to be in office because you want power.
You want to be in office because you like the
status or whatever it is, and you're you know, versus
being an office because you want to help people. Being
in office because you want to make a difference. Um.

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And I mean I think that hearing you speak for
this hour and you're in your background, it's clear that
that's what your focus is. You know, from your time
working in different capacities as a lawyer, you're like, it's
not about money. It's a I mean, sure we all
have to make money, but it's about helping people. And uh,

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it's just vitally important that more people like you step
up and and the bare minimum, we're challenging the establishment. Um,
but we're also making significant strides and changing perception of things,
and we're going to get more and more of us
in office. Um. And I think that that is such
a positive, hopeful, inspiring thing to be focusing on right

(01:01:42):
now and focusing our efforts. There's a lot of us
that are disillusioned with this primary in terms of the
presidential race. Fair fine, but there are so many people
like you all over this country that are stepping up
and filling this void, and it's vital that we focus
our our attention on these kinds of races so that
we can make the difference that we want. It's disappointing

(01:02:04):
that we don't have Bernie or Yang you know, leading
the ticket right now, but there's so much progress that's
still being made. Um and it's it's I think it's
important for us right now, emotionally, spiritually, economically to remember that, yeah,
you you nailed it, you closed it very well. They

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pay me the just fine bucks for that. UM. Can
you please tell our audience where they can find you online,
how they can support you. I know I'm supporting you.
I am nine sure, I am in your district and
I will be voting for you. Um, but how how
can everybody else support you? Yeah? Thank you for asking, Katie.

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One of the biggest challenges for US is campaign finance.
So obviously one of our top priorities is to we
form campaign finance where it's not corporate money that's deciding
who gets elected, but it's where it's truly the people. UM.
So go check out our democracy Dollars on David Hi

(01:03:11):
dot com to learn more about that. But as as
a grassroots candidate, a candidate and a campaign, we are
a percent people powered So while our opponent has eight
percent of his donations being from corporate interests and big
donors and with a campaign werehist of a million dollars,
we don't have that much money. So if you're able

(01:03:33):
to chip in, that's great, go to David dot com
board slash donate UM. But if you're unable to, that's
totally fine. Please don't donate, like use your money for yourself,
like buy food, pay save it for rent, take care
of yourself. And there's other ways you can help out,
which is volunteering remotely through our text banking or phone

(01:03:53):
banking volunteer programs, or it's even or if it's even
calling a friend or family member in Los Angeles, it's
sharing our websitely and sharing this interview and saying hey,
you want to you want more podcasts that there's a
great one, worst year ever, check out this episode, So
do that. UM. There's creative ways UM to help us

(01:04:13):
in that sense, and so so volunteer, donate, spread the word,
and it will be very grateful. I definitely will be
doing all of the above. UM. If you've got those
little lawn signs, I'll put him in my front yard. Yes, yes, really,
really lit up. David, thank you so much for joining this.
This has been a delight. Um. We will be following

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this closely and helping in any way that we can. Okay, great,
thank you so much for having me Katie so fortun
all right, bye bye, and that does it for us
today on the Worst Year Ever. Please go check out
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(01:04:56):
you can. Um, you can check us out online to
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follow us too if you want, and all that stuff.
That's good. It's true. I could agree with you more,
but I don't know what that would mean. Does not

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disagree with me completely, and that's how it's important. Cool.
We'll be back next week. Leader Everything, Everything so dumb.
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