September 12, 2024 • 24 mins
This year’s AEW All Out was spectacular, leaving the wrestling community buzzing with excitement. The pay-per-view event was packed with drama, but the most jaw-dropping moment came when Bryan Danielson was betrayed by his own brothers! We also get into the most shocking match - the unsanctioned fight that has fans everywhere debating the boundaries of hardcore wrestling.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
He got a syringe. Granted it was sterile, they made
sure we saw it with Sterlee put the deaf off,
so you know wrestlers are very safe too. I've never
seen this in a wrestling match. I don't know if
it's happened before. Maybe there's some crazy hardcore company where
this is their thing. We're having a syringe match. This
was I had to look away from the screen. I
couldn't watch a needle go through a dude's cheek.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready spouts that hit the fan?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Welcome to sanction Thursdays A wrestling with Freday, Ladies and gentlemen,
Welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays with me? Is Jeff Die I'm
Freddy Prinz. Let's just start the damn thing. AW and
WW are very different types of promotions. One is, for sure,
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more for the hardcore fans and one is much more
family friendly. And nothing was more evident of that difference
than AEW's all out. I want to start with the
last match, if we if we could, Jeff, let's with
the steel cage match if we could, because it it
went through areas that I'm uncomfortable with. That make me
(01:22):
look away. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
I know people like it, But Swerve Strickland and Hangman
Adam Page hate each other. Their characters age. I'm sure
they like each other. And Hangman Adam Page burned down
Swerve's childhood home. Now, Swerve is not innocent in this.
He did a lot of bad stuff too earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What do you think about that? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It was very ww like, it was very Brian Pillman, Steve,
Steve Boston like very much so. So for that, I
gave it some love and like that it was. It
was a throwback to that kind of a story. And
I like when they have a reason why. We've talked
about thought a lot, and these two gentlemen have a
reason why. Adam Page has hinted at it since his return.
(02:05):
I freaking hate you. I hate you, Swarve Strickland. I'm
gonna do everything I can, screaming the whole time. I'm
gonna do everything I can to destroy your life. I'm
gonna take everything away from you. You're not gonna have
it like he and Swerve. Strickland is the opposite, right.
He plays it cool and he's like see you already
lost your cool. That's why you're not gonna be able
to do shit to me. And that's why I did
everything to you, because I'm in control and you're out
(02:26):
of control. And so they're very opposites in the way
they speak, opposites in the way they wrestle. Some one
of them was willing to cross lines that the other
one was not. I'll stop beating around the bush. For
those who haven't seen it, well, Jeff, you tell him
what hang Man Adam Page thought would be a good
thing to do in a wrestling match, because it makes
me nauseous.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I'm still living
this strange teenage boy. That's like, did you see e
c W When and then he took out a bag
and he hit him with it and it turns out
was full of thumbtacks and then he threw them off
the second level into seventy five tables and they went
through the like I'm very much still that wrestling fan.
(03:08):
When Hangman hit Swerved with the chair shot, I'm gonna
call it the chair shot from hell. It looked I
don't know if maybe the maybe the chair was gimmicked
in a way that it broke the way.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I hope so, I freaking hope so.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But maybe if it wasn't that he hit him so
soundly with the chair that it did that unique thing
where your head goes all the way through the chair
and it's kind of hanging around your neck like a
like a prop. I've only seen that a few times.
I've definitely never seen it the way it was done
this time, but I've seen in the past where their
head is hanging through in the chair still on their neck.
(03:47):
It was absolutely brutal, and there's a lot of fan
shots of it that they show, like on YouTube and
all the places. You can see like different angles of it,
and it's just about brutal. But it's my favorite type of.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Thing, Jeff. The chair shot, as brutal as it was,
was arguably the most brutal part of the match because
Hangman Page pulled something else out of a bag and
decided to put it through another man's face. Yeah, he
(04:22):
got a syringe. Granted it was sterile. They made sure
we saw it with sterile. He put the cap off,
so you know, wrestlers are very safe too. I've never
seen this in a wrestling match. I don't know if
it's happened before. Maybe there's some crazy hardcore company where
this is their thing. We're having a syringe match. A
dirty syringe match winner doesn't get HEPSI. But this was
(04:47):
I had to look away from the screen. I couldn't
watch a needle go through a dude's cheek. I couldn't
do it. When I saw a jackass when they put
the hook through Stevo's cheek and then threw them into
the water so they could fish for sharks. I don't
know if any but he saw that. But that's I'm
not making that up. That's it's what people did for
jokes in the early two thousands, I guess. But I
couldn't watch that, and I couldn't watch this. I legit
(05:09):
had to look away, and I was just grateful. None
of my kids or my wife walked in and said,
what the hell are you watching? It was so gruesome,
which is what they went for, So congratulations. But I'm
forty eight, getting close to forty nine years old, and
my weak ass couldn't handle it. I guess you loved
this too.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I meant we had staple guns, we had chairs, we
have needles.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
There was no.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Limits for this kind of thing. The needle is definitely
the one that makes people look away because people have
problems with needles in their lives, like you just said
a second ago. I also have never seen it in wrestling,
so they found a new thing to make people cringe about.
But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Uh no, that was it. It was gross and horrible
and I couldn't handle it, so I'm not going to
talk about it. But the match was great. I heard
Swerves taking some time off. That's the word on the
on the ethernet, so that's the way you take time off.
You get KOed by a friggin chair, and Adam Page
will get the story that he's gonna get and pursue
the title. He's gonna pursue because he's a title guy.
(06:11):
And yeah, dude, this was hard. It was just too
it was too hard core. So I'm moving on, Brian.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's strange they wanted to even do that. To be honest,
you know, they did the burnt wood thing from Swarves House.
There's so hard to put a needle through Swerve's mouth,
Like I wonder if I know we've had Swerve on
the podcast a couple of times, but he's you know,
we don't go too crazy with the questions when he's
been on, but like, do you think he's into this
(06:37):
kind of pain stuff? Like was this his idea? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like I know, the next time we have him on,
we're asking him whose idea was the syringe through the mouth?
And I bet you he says him, these guys always
pitch you to do something to them, not them to
do something to you, right, So I feel like it
was his idea. He's like, you know what you should do?
Put a fucking needle through my face? Is like, yo,
what you need to do? What bro put this through
(07:01):
my fiel? Oh fucking all right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Also, from a very brief browsing of the social media,
like hour I watched it, probably hours after it happened
or yeah, probably it was the next morning, so whatever
however long that is, it didn't seem like people liked
it on the internet. It didn't like a lot of
people on the internet from what I saw, were like,
people wonder why more people aren't watching ad ae w
(07:24):
It's because of crap like this, And some people were
like cut this shit out, like it's gross, you know,
like that A lot of people were not it was gross.
What I saw, it didn't seem like a lot of
people were on board with the needle through the cheek.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
All right, I'm not alone for once, for once, and
I appreciate that people. I'm glad you guys are on
my side finally. All right, so we heard about that.
By the way, the cage was awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I love like the cage.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I love the cage a lot. The ref and the
neutral shirt was awesome. I thought that was cool because
it was an unsanctioned match. I wonder if you even
need a ref in an unsanctioned match, but I thought
they handled it cool and gave him a reason, so
that was all good. Next up, somebody else who could
(08:18):
be taking some time off. MJF Maxwell Jacob Friedman versus
Daniel Garcia. MJF is going to try, before he's done
to put every single person in this company over and
help make them stars. Help make them stars. It's not
all on him. I think Daniel Garcia is incredibly talented,
but he is trying to help build this company with
every match he does, and I just think that needs
(08:40):
to be said before we get into this kind of stuff.
It's not always even if he wins he'll find a
way to make you look good the way he did
in this match. So MJF is going to be out
for a while, as was Daniel Garcia. But what's next
for Daniel Garcia? We mentioned him over a year and
a half ago when he was in a storyline and
(09:02):
he was conflicted between Chris Jericho and Brian Danielson. Are
you a sports entertainer, Daniel, or are you a professional wrestler?
Are you with Chris Jericho in that WWE bullshit? Or
are you with me in this ae W real shit?
And Chris Jericho's the opposite? Are you with me? Are
you a sports entertainer? Are you just a professional wrestler?
(09:24):
Almost like it's a dirty word. And he was so
vulnerable in this storyline that I remember talking about him
being like, dude, this guy can act.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't like the dance thing he does, but I
like everything else about Daniel Garcia. I don't. I don't
like the dance thing, but again, I'm old and can't dance.
It's good as say. It's like bald guys hating on
guys with great hair.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
No, it's not always a jealousy. He could just not
like things.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Maybe I wish I was a better dancer. But anyway,
Daniel Garcia is now in a position to finally get
a push. They just have to have an opponent in
front of him, an opponent that he can legit be.
He cannot lose again. He lost to MJF. Even though
he wins, he lost that match. So the next storyline
(10:10):
he's in, he must be the winner if you want
to build him. It's like what WW did with that
Giovanni Vinci guy, Like, how are you going to give
him all this promo, all this hype, the Ferrari, the vignettes,
and you're going to have him come out and lose
in three seconds because he wasn't ready to Apollo Cruise,
Like what you put him over to job him out?
Like I don't understand that booking at all. So there
(10:31):
has to be something with Ryan Garcia. I was nervous
about the Hook thing that gave him Chris Jericho. Now
they're giving him Roderick Strong. So they had a plan
for Hook. It makes me think they have a plan
for Ryan. I just don't know who's going to be next.
He doesn't have to be a title, he doesn't need
a title. He has a lot of emotion in him.
His promos are full of emotion. He's really vulnerable. He
(10:53):
comes off legit, he comes off like a humble, working
class guy, like a John McClain. That's the second time
I've talked about him on this but yeah, like I
just there's so much to like about him. This match
was wonderful and whatever that. I'd say his strongest personality
trade is his vulnerability. That's in talking about Daniel Garcia.
(11:15):
He makes you care about him. He makes you care,
and that's a hard thing to do. I didn't really
see him click as a heel, but as a babyface.
I think it can really work where he's that guy
that has to climb the mountain, and the mountains so
hard to climb. So he's gonna fail for the title
a lot, a lot, but when he finally gets it,
it's gonna mean so much friggin' more. I love this match.
(11:38):
This podcast loves MJF, and this podcast likes Daniel Garcia
a lot. I think there's a lot there. I hope
that you like the match, and I hope you feel
the same way. And it's we're not talking about chops.
We usually agree on these Restlans. It is true.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I like Danny Garcia big MJF Mark. Danny Garcia is great.
He's undersized, which like most ovisually I'm not usually crazy
about it. He seems to be inspired. I know, this
is a hell of an allegation to, like say, because
wrestling you're allowed to steal things, I guess you can
just do people's moves and use people's everything, and whenever
(12:12):
it gets pointed out, people go, oh, that's wrestling, You're
allowed to do that. But I do see a lot
of him being inspired by Randy Orton. It appears, especially yeah,
especially after the after he did the pile driver to
MJF off the second turnbuckle, which was absolutely incredible, he
kind of did this like crawl to him that was
like I was like, oh, there it is this. I've
(12:34):
always kind of felt like he's doing a Randy Orton thing,
but like when I saw that, I was like, I'm
gonna mention this on the podcast, but I will say,
grosser than straps, grosser than slaps, grosser than needles through
the lip uh. Daniel Garcia spitting in MJ's mjf's space,
(12:56):
the biggest league spit I've ever scene in my life
might be the grossest thing I've seen in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The spit is like this, we're gonna sidetrack here, but
because this is too good. But the spit is like
the worst sign of disrespect, literally and figuratively. I remember
in the state of California, it's considered a sault if
someone spits in your face and knock them the fuck out.
You are not going to jail. They assaulted you and
(13:24):
you defended yourself. And my godfather, who was Bob Wall
he passed away about a year and a half ago. Sorry,
I loved him a lot, so I get a little
choked up. But he was a really tough son of
a bitch and he was the one that got me
hip to that. He said, someone spits in your face,
you have to beat them until they cry. And I
was like thirteen. I was like why because then they'll
never forget. And I was just like, sho, you gotta
(13:47):
beat him till they cry. So that was our That
was our motto when I was a kid, and he
was kind of helping raise me up because I have
an old man, so he's kind of my dad. But yeah,
he was so hardcore and it was all about that
spit in the face, and he got away with fighting
guys who didn't spit in his face, but he just
go start fights, beat their ass. When the cops would
show up, he goes, what do you want me to do?
The guy spin in my fucking face and the cops
(14:08):
will be like, oh, that's assault in this state. So yeah,
you defended yourself. And he's like, all right, gentlemen, have
a great night. And we would go home and he
would fight in front of us like he didn't care.
He just loved fighting. He was an old school karate
guy that used to train with Bruce Lee and trained
and trained Bruce Lee when Bruce came to America. All
those guys trained each other because they all had different styles.
But he was one of the toughest dudes on Earth man.
(14:30):
And that's spin in the face thing. He was like, Yeah,
they spit in your face. You beat him? Do they cry?
Freddy beat him? Do they cry? Sounds like Bence, He
didn't sound like Vincent real life. We had some other
(14:53):
great matches as well, plenty of matches on the card
to talk about. We won't have time to get into
them all, but we will talk about will spray because
he's just too sick at wrestling, man, Like he's just
I don't understand how I haven't seen him screw anything
up yet I have, and if he has, he's so
good that he just kind of like flowed through the
(15:15):
screw up so that you don't even notice and moved
on to something else, Like I've never seen the dude
make a mistake, or he's so good that I'm and
I'm so dumb that I can't see the mistakes. But
it's like watching him, dude, it's like watching a magician.
It's like watching that guy that freaks everybody out the
street magician guy I don't remember his.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Name, David Blaine, David Blaine, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Where You're just like, hold up, dude, how the hell
did you just do that? You were standing still and
did a backflip with a twist and kicked six guys
in the head and landed on your fucking pinky toe
and on the top rope, Like, I just don't understand.
It's like watching Looney Tunes cartoons and seeing and and
seeing shit for the first time every time. I think
he's so and he's wrestling a dude who was his
(16:00):
before he was him in PAC like Pac used to
be in WWE, and he was the one doing the
crazy shit, and everyone was like, Oh, he's gonna get hurt,
He's gonna get hurt doing all this crazy shit. And
then you see him and he's just awesome all the
time and he's not getting hurt, and you wonder why
you limit these wrestlers when they're complete professionals and freaking
know what they're doing. And will Ospray's one of those
guys where, yeah, maybe everybody shouldn't do everything he does,
(16:22):
but he's physically gifted enough that he can get away
with everything he does and not put himself in at
greater risk than what he feels is necessary, because there's
risk in wrestling no matter what. But he's not crossing
any line that he's not comfortable with. And everything looks
so awesome and so great, and now he's gonna fucking
wrestle Ricochet. He's gonna fucking wrestle Ricochet. Who if you
(16:45):
guys remember I gushed about this dude when he wrestled
Santos Escobar in their World Cup Classic thing that they
tried to get over, and then I was educated that
that was a match they had in Luca Underground. So
I went back and watched the Lucha Underground match, which
was better than the WWE match, by the way. And
now these two dudes are going to put it all
on the line. They're the kind of guys that can
(17:05):
give you a match of the year. And I heard
Jeff and our producer Alex talking at the beginning of
the show like, we don't appreciate the wrestling that we're in.
We look back at it in hindsight and we identify
it as great. This can be one of those matches
that people remember that wrestling fans. Not everyone, not Joe
on the street, they don't want wrestling, but that wrestling
fans can remember forever as long as they give us
(17:26):
a reason why. Otherwise it's just a great match, and
that can be cool too. Sheldon Benjamin versus Sean Michaels
Monday Night Raw, No Reason Why one of the greatest
matches I've ever seen. Not shitting on that at all,
but the reason why is what makes me care and
remember even more and like to share that stuff. But
that's still one of the greatest matches I ever saw.
Shelton Benjamin, Shawn Michaels Monday Night Raw. Check it out
(17:46):
on YouTube. It's awesome. Jeff, I know you love will Ospray,
but did I miss anything?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Not at all. I love both those guys too, and
I think this is I know everyone's all eyes are
on will Ospray because they should be. He's a star,
but I that this gives a little more eyes to
pac who I think has been very underrated as a
as a wrestler. Like everyone acknowledges that he's great, but
he should be a bigger star too. When he was
when he was in two A five Live is Neville.
(18:15):
I remember being like, dude, this guy's like a star
star and if you could just find a place that
recognizes that. And so when I saw that he went
to AW I was like, yes, that's that's huge. I
remembered him back in the day, or not back that far,
but back when he was at two A five Lives,
and I was like, such a big fan. This Ricochet
thing with will Osprey is gonna be huge too, because
the only reason will the only reason Ricochet has a
(18:36):
paycheck in ae W is because of will Osprey putting
him over randomly in a promo.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Do you remember like he like just like he sort
of do you remember that? Yeah, I sort of. Do
you have like an invitation to come wrestle? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He was just saying, like they're idiots over there. The
fact that they're not using ricochet. He used to watch
ricochet with like like this guy, look at this guy. Yeah,
so I'm excited to see what they come up with.
And they're clearly very close, so it's gonna be awesome.
Whatever they do is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
All right, Jeff. Finally we're closing out with Brian Danielson
versus Jack Perry the Scapegoat, and we don't have to
talk about the match because the end of the match
is really the match was awesome. Jack Perry with a
very defiant fu takes the loss. They had two defiant FEUs.
They were performed differently, which made it okay, but they
(19:26):
did do two of the defiant fews in the same show.
But this was betrayal. After the sweetest smile ever, like,
Brian Danielson is about to get jumped by Christian and
the patriarchy because Christian has a contract that lets him
challenge for the belt anytime he wants, and he wants
to be the one to retire Brian Danielson because Brian's
(19:48):
wrestling without a contract as the world champion, and here
they come. He gets attacked by this guy named Lucasaurus,
who they call kill Switch. I think now kill switch,
kill shots, swerves, move, kill switch. We're like, yo, what
the hell? Jack Perry's like, Yo, what the hell you
used to be my boy? What's going on? And all
of a sudden, here they come, and we're like, oh crap,
(20:09):
Brian's gonna be retired early. All of a sudden, here
comes Brian's group, the Blackpool Combat Club with Neville or
sorry Neville, with Poc Wheeler, Yuda and Claudio Casignoli, and
here comes friggin John Moxley. And John Moxley was actually
the first one out there, just standing there looking buff
and a white T shirt, like what what are you
(20:30):
gonna do? Christian punk ass bitch, And Christian's like, I'll
see your ass lads, son of a bitch, and all
the rest of the guys come out and then they
go in the ring and they cut to this close
up of Brian Danielson just kind of having this. He's
got this nice guy, tough guy smile where he's like,
my fucking dogs, man, they showed up. They got my
frigging back, that's what's up. Well, they did not have
(20:50):
his back, Jeff. They came out there and basically John
Moxley is the head of the Blackpool Combat Club and
he doesn't want Christian to get the belt. He wants
that belt. He doesn't want Christian to retire Brian Danielson.
He wants to be the one, and Blackpool Combat Club
is kind of like we rank you in like a
street gang. Like that's how Wheeler you'd have got in.
(21:11):
He had to wrestle everyone and take a beating and
then he was in the club. They didn't so much
do that with with POC because Pak ain't having that bullshit,
but they that's kind of their mo. So I guess
this is gonna be his ranking out of the gang,
like oh, you want out the gang, and you're gonna
get your ass beat out the gang. And they all
turned on him except Wheeler Udo, who was like, oh
come on. It was very good Fellas where he's looking
at his brother getting beat up and then thrown in
(21:33):
the hole. It was beautiful. I loved watching it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was sad.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
They put a bag over his head and tried to
suffocate him for over a minute, which was weird and
defied the laws of physics. But other than that, it
was pretty badass man, and it made me sad in
a good way. Yeah, Murder's bat and we should just
end with that. Murder is bad. I just would I
want Tony want to think a pro murder.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You nailed it. Murder is bad. What did you think
of the betrayal? It felt It felt old school wrestling,
which is what I liked. It felt very uh you
know that the locker rooms coming out. Who are they with?
You know, it's kind of got that money Night Wars
vibe of like you know, is it nWo? Is it?
Whose side are they on? You know? Is this is
this city?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's almost older to me, like almost like NWA, like
Flair turning on sting when you're like I knew you
were going to turn but you made me believe your
son of a attack man.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It has that real pursuit of power, you know, it
has this like power can corrupt. You know. It isn't
about friendship. It's about you have something I want and
now you will be you know, it's got this old
school feeling of like I'll do anything to get that belt,
to have that championship, and I like that Stary.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Moxley's the perfect guy for that, Jeff. Like, I know,
they called Jacob Fatu the werewolf because Corey Graves is
more relevant in the wrestling world than I am. But
I call John Moxley the werewolf because he talks like one,
he looks like one. He wrestles like when he lets
himself get scruffy, it just looks like what you be
in a werewolf movie, like after the night's over, when
you recover. So to me, he's the werewolf. I really
(23:06):
like this dude a lot. He's so badass and he's
just kind of like he said this in a promo,
but he's the heart and soul of AW. Like he's
that hardcore blood. Every single match, I'm gonna bleed every time.
AW guy. He'll do the chops, he'll take the chops.
He'll let you punch him right in the face. He
doesn't care as long as you're cool with him punching
(23:28):
you back. But I like John Moxley lot, and this
is gonna be a really cool story of brothers that
betrayed one or well one brother that betrayed another, and
is he gonna be able to take him down? Because
now Daniel's gonna have to deal with everybody. And I
love that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I also think that John Moxley might have been the
only guy in the locker room who saw that needle
through the lip and thought, oh, how come we never
did that? How come I never thought of that? Oh
that was cool, man, I've never done that one before.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know you're dead on. I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2 (24:35):
Love
He got a syringe. Granted it was sterile, they made
sure we saw it with Sterlee put the deaf off,
so you know wrestlers are very safe too. I've never
seen this in a wrestling match. I don't know if
it's happened before. Maybe there's some crazy hardcore company where
this is their thing. We're having a syringe match. This
was I had to look away from the screen. I
couldn't watch a needle go through a dude's cheek.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready spouts that hit the fan?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Welcome to sanction Thursdays A wrestling with Freday, Ladies and gentlemen,
Welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays with me? Is Jeff Die I'm
Freddy Prinz. Let's just start the damn thing. AW and
WW are very different types of promotions. One is, for sure,
(00:58):
more for the hardcore fans and one is much more
family friendly. And nothing was more evident of that difference
than AEW's all out. I want to start with the
last match, if we if we could, Jeff, let's with
the steel cage match if we could, because it it
went through areas that I'm uncomfortable with. That make me
(01:22):
look away. And I don't mean that in a bad way.
I know people like it, But Swerve Strickland and Hangman
Adam Page hate each other. Their characters age. I'm sure
they like each other. And Hangman Adam Page burned down
Swerve's childhood home. Now, Swerve is not innocent in this.
He did a lot of bad stuff too earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What do you think about that? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It was very ww like, it was very Brian Pillman, Steve,
Steve Boston like very much so. So for that, I
gave it some love and like that it was. It
was a throwback to that kind of a story. And
I like when they have a reason why. We've talked
about thought a lot, and these two gentlemen have a
reason why. Adam Page has hinted at it since his return.
(02:05):
I freaking hate you. I hate you, Swarve Strickland. I'm
gonna do everything I can, screaming the whole time. I'm
gonna do everything I can to destroy your life. I'm
gonna take everything away from you. You're not gonna have
it like he and Swerve. Strickland is the opposite, right.
He plays it cool and he's like see you already
lost your cool. That's why you're not gonna be able
to do shit to me. And that's why I did
everything to you, because I'm in control and you're out
(02:26):
of control. And so they're very opposites in the way
they speak, opposites in the way they wrestle. Some one
of them was willing to cross lines that the other
one was not. I'll stop beating around the bush. For
those who haven't seen it, well, Jeff, you tell him
what hang Man Adam Page thought would be a good
thing to do in a wrestling match, because it makes
me nauseous.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I'm still living
this strange teenage boy. That's like, did you see e
c W When and then he took out a bag
and he hit him with it and it turns out
was full of thumbtacks and then he threw them off
the second level into seventy five tables and they went
through the like I'm very much still that wrestling fan.
(03:08):
When Hangman hit Swerved with the chair shot, I'm gonna
call it the chair shot from hell. It looked I
don't know if maybe the maybe the chair was gimmicked
in a way that it broke the way.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I hope so, I freaking hope so.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But maybe if it wasn't that he hit him so
soundly with the chair that it did that unique thing
where your head goes all the way through the chair
and it's kind of hanging around your neck like a
like a prop. I've only seen that a few times.
I've definitely never seen it the way it was done
this time, but I've seen in the past where their
head is hanging through in the chair still on their neck.
(03:47):
It was absolutely brutal, and there's a lot of fan
shots of it that they show, like on YouTube and
all the places. You can see like different angles of it,
and it's just about brutal. But it's my favorite type of.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Thing, Jeff. The chair shot, as brutal as it was,
was arguably the most brutal part of the match because
Hangman Page pulled something else out of a bag and
decided to put it through another man's face. Yeah, he
(04:22):
got a syringe. Granted it was sterile. They made sure
we saw it with sterile. He put the cap off,
so you know, wrestlers are very safe too. I've never
seen this in a wrestling match. I don't know if
it's happened before. Maybe there's some crazy hardcore company where
this is their thing. We're having a syringe match. A
dirty syringe match winner doesn't get HEPSI. But this was
(04:47):
I had to look away from the screen. I couldn't
watch a needle go through a dude's cheek. I couldn't
do it. When I saw a jackass when they put
the hook through Stevo's cheek and then threw them into
the water so they could fish for sharks. I don't
know if any but he saw that. But that's I'm
not making that up. That's it's what people did for
jokes in the early two thousands, I guess. But I
couldn't watch that, and I couldn't watch this. I legit
(05:09):
had to look away, and I was just grateful. None
of my kids or my wife walked in and said,
what the hell are you watching? It was so gruesome,
which is what they went for, So congratulations. But I'm
forty eight, getting close to forty nine years old, and
my weak ass couldn't handle it. I guess you loved
this too.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I meant we had staple guns, we had chairs, we
have needles.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
There was no.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Limits for this kind of thing. The needle is definitely
the one that makes people look away because people have
problems with needles in their lives, like you just said
a second ago. I also have never seen it in wrestling,
so they found a new thing to make people cringe about.
But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Uh no, that was it. It was gross and horrible
and I couldn't handle it, so I'm not going to
talk about it. But the match was great. I heard
Swerves taking some time off. That's the word on the
on the ethernet, so that's the way you take time off.
You get KOed by a friggin chair, and Adam Page
will get the story that he's gonna get and pursue
the title. He's gonna pursue because he's a title guy.
(06:11):
And yeah, dude, this was hard. It was just too
it was too hard core. So I'm moving on, Brian.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's strange they wanted to even do that. To be honest,
you know, they did the burnt wood thing from Swarves House.
There's so hard to put a needle through Swerve's mouth,
Like I wonder if I know we've had Swerve on
the podcast a couple of times, but he's you know,
we don't go too crazy with the questions when he's
been on, but like, do you think he's into this
(06:37):
kind of pain stuff? Like was this his idea? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like I know, the next time we have him on,
we're asking him whose idea was the syringe through the mouth?
And I bet you he says him, these guys always
pitch you to do something to them, not them to
do something to you, right, So I feel like it
was his idea. He's like, you know what you should do?
Put a fucking needle through my face? Is like, yo,
what you need to do? What bro put this through
(07:01):
my fiel? Oh fucking all right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Also, from a very brief browsing of the social media,
like hour I watched it, probably hours after it happened
or yeah, probably it was the next morning, so whatever
however long that is, it didn't seem like people liked
it on the internet. It didn't like a lot of
people on the internet from what I saw, were like,
people wonder why more people aren't watching ad ae w
(07:24):
It's because of crap like this, And some people were
like cut this shit out, like it's gross, you know,
like that A lot of people were not it was gross.
What I saw, it didn't seem like a lot of
people were on board with the needle through the cheek.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
All right, I'm not alone for once, for once, and
I appreciate that people. I'm glad you guys are on
my side finally. All right, so we heard about that.
By the way, the cage was awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I love like the cage.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I love the cage a lot. The ref and the
neutral shirt was awesome. I thought that was cool because
it was an unsanctioned match. I wonder if you even
need a ref in an unsanctioned match, but I thought
they handled it cool and gave him a reason, so
that was all good. Next up, somebody else who could
(08:18):
be taking some time off. MJF Maxwell Jacob Friedman versus
Daniel Garcia. MJF is going to try, before he's done
to put every single person in this company over and
help make them stars. Help make them stars. It's not
all on him. I think Daniel Garcia is incredibly talented,
but he is trying to help build this company with
every match he does, and I just think that needs
(08:40):
to be said before we get into this kind of stuff.
It's not always even if he wins he'll find a
way to make you look good the way he did
in this match. So MJF is going to be out
for a while, as was Daniel Garcia. But what's next
for Daniel Garcia? We mentioned him over a year and
a half ago when he was in a storyline and
(09:02):
he was conflicted between Chris Jericho and Brian Danielson. Are
you a sports entertainer, Daniel, or are you a professional wrestler?
Are you with Chris Jericho in that WWE bullshit? Or
are you with me in this ae W real shit?
And Chris Jericho's the opposite? Are you with me? Are
you a sports entertainer? Are you just a professional wrestler?
(09:24):
Almost like it's a dirty word. And he was so
vulnerable in this storyline that I remember talking about him
being like, dude, this guy can act.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I don't like the dance thing he does, but I
like everything else about Daniel Garcia. I don't. I don't
like the dance thing, but again, I'm old and can't dance.
It's good as say. It's like bald guys hating on
guys with great hair.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
No, it's not always a jealousy. He could just not
like things.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Maybe I wish I was a better dancer. But anyway,
Daniel Garcia is now in a position to finally get
a push. They just have to have an opponent in
front of him, an opponent that he can legit be.
He cannot lose again. He lost to MJF. Even though
he wins, he lost that match. So the next storyline
(10:10):
he's in, he must be the winner if you want
to build him. It's like what WW did with that
Giovanni Vinci guy, Like, how are you going to give
him all this promo, all this hype, the Ferrari, the vignettes,
and you're going to have him come out and lose
in three seconds because he wasn't ready to Apollo Cruise,
Like what you put him over to job him out?
Like I don't understand that booking at all. So there
(10:31):
has to be something with Ryan Garcia. I was nervous
about the Hook thing that gave him Chris Jericho. Now
they're giving him Roderick Strong. So they had a plan
for Hook. It makes me think they have a plan
for Ryan. I just don't know who's going to be next.
He doesn't have to be a title, he doesn't need
a title. He has a lot of emotion in him.
His promos are full of emotion. He's really vulnerable. He
(10:53):
comes off legit, he comes off like a humble, working
class guy, like a John McClain. That's the second time
I've talked about him on this but yeah, like I
just there's so much to like about him. This match
was wonderful and whatever that. I'd say his strongest personality
trade is his vulnerability. That's in talking about Daniel Garcia.
(11:15):
He makes you care about him. He makes you care,
and that's a hard thing to do. I didn't really
see him click as a heel, but as a babyface.
I think it can really work where he's that guy
that has to climb the mountain, and the mountains so
hard to climb. So he's gonna fail for the title
a lot, a lot, but when he finally gets it,
it's gonna mean so much friggin' more. I love this match.
(11:38):
This podcast loves MJF, and this podcast likes Daniel Garcia
a lot. I think there's a lot there. I hope
that you like the match, and I hope you feel
the same way. And it's we're not talking about chops.
We usually agree on these Restlans. It is true.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I like Danny Garcia big MJF Mark. Danny Garcia is great.
He's undersized, which like most ovisually I'm not usually crazy
about it. He seems to be inspired. I know, this
is a hell of an allegation to, like say, because
wrestling you're allowed to steal things, I guess you can
just do people's moves and use people's everything, and whenever
(12:12):
it gets pointed out, people go, oh, that's wrestling, You're
allowed to do that. But I do see a lot
of him being inspired by Randy Orton. It appears, especially yeah,
especially after the after he did the pile driver to
MJF off the second turnbuckle, which was absolutely incredible, he
kind of did this like crawl to him that was
like I was like, oh, there it is this. I've
(12:34):
always kind of felt like he's doing a Randy Orton thing,
but like when I saw that, I was like, I'm
gonna mention this on the podcast, but I will say,
grosser than straps, grosser than slaps, grosser than needles through
the lip uh. Daniel Garcia spitting in MJ's mjf's space,
(12:56):
the biggest league spit I've ever scene in my life
might be the grossest thing I've seen in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The spit is like this, we're gonna sidetrack here, but
because this is too good. But the spit is like
the worst sign of disrespect, literally and figuratively. I remember
in the state of California, it's considered a sault if
someone spits in your face and knock them the fuck out.
You are not going to jail. They assaulted you and
(13:24):
you defended yourself. And my godfather, who was Bob Wall
he passed away about a year and a half ago. Sorry,
I loved him a lot, so I get a little
choked up. But he was a really tough son of
a bitch and he was the one that got me
hip to that. He said, someone spits in your face,
you have to beat them until they cry. And I
was like thirteen. I was like why because then they'll
never forget. And I was just like, sho, you gotta
(13:47):
beat him till they cry. So that was our That
was our motto when I was a kid, and he
was kind of helping raise me up because I have
an old man, so he's kind of my dad. But yeah,
he was so hardcore and it was all about that
spit in the face, and he got away with fighting
guys who didn't spit in his face, but he just
go start fights, beat their ass. When the cops would
show up, he goes, what do you want me to do?
The guy spin in my fucking face and the cops
(14:08):
will be like, oh, that's assault in this state. So yeah,
you defended yourself. And he's like, all right, gentlemen, have
a great night. And we would go home and he
would fight in front of us like he didn't care.
He just loved fighting. He was an old school karate
guy that used to train with Bruce Lee and trained
and trained Bruce Lee when Bruce came to America. All
those guys trained each other because they all had different styles.
But he was one of the toughest dudes on Earth man.
(14:30):
And that's spin in the face thing. He was like, Yeah,
they spit in your face. You beat him? Do they cry?
Freddy beat him? Do they cry? Sounds like Bence, He
didn't sound like Vincent real life. We had some other
(14:53):
great matches as well, plenty of matches on the card
to talk about. We won't have time to get into
them all, but we will talk about will spray because
he's just too sick at wrestling, man, Like he's just
I don't understand how I haven't seen him screw anything
up yet I have, and if he has, he's so
good that he just kind of like flowed through the
(15:15):
screw up so that you don't even notice and moved
on to something else, Like I've never seen the dude
make a mistake, or he's so good that I'm and
I'm so dumb that I can't see the mistakes. But
it's like watching him, dude, it's like watching a magician.
It's like watching that guy that freaks everybody out the
street magician guy I don't remember his.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Name, David Blaine, David Blaine, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Where You're just like, hold up, dude, how the hell
did you just do that? You were standing still and
did a backflip with a twist and kicked six guys
in the head and landed on your fucking pinky toe
and on the top rope, Like, I just don't understand.
It's like watching Looney Tunes cartoons and seeing and and
seeing shit for the first time every time. I think
he's so and he's wrestling a dude who was his
(16:00):
before he was him in PAC like Pac used to
be in WWE, and he was the one doing the
crazy shit, and everyone was like, Oh, he's gonna get hurt,
He's gonna get hurt doing all this crazy shit. And
then you see him and he's just awesome all the
time and he's not getting hurt, and you wonder why
you limit these wrestlers when they're complete professionals and freaking
know what they're doing. And will Ospray's one of those
guys where, yeah, maybe everybody shouldn't do everything he does,
(16:22):
but he's physically gifted enough that he can get away
with everything he does and not put himself in at
greater risk than what he feels is necessary, because there's
risk in wrestling no matter what. But he's not crossing
any line that he's not comfortable with. And everything looks
so awesome and so great, and now he's gonna fucking
wrestle Ricochet. He's gonna fucking wrestle Ricochet. Who if you
(16:45):
guys remember I gushed about this dude when he wrestled
Santos Escobar in their World Cup Classic thing that they
tried to get over, and then I was educated that
that was a match they had in Luca Underground. So
I went back and watched the Lucha Underground match, which
was better than the WWE match, by the way. And
now these two dudes are going to put it all
on the line. They're the kind of guys that can
(17:05):
give you a match of the year. And I heard
Jeff and our producer Alex talking at the beginning of
the show like, we don't appreciate the wrestling that we're in.
We look back at it in hindsight and we identify
it as great. This can be one of those matches
that people remember that wrestling fans. Not everyone, not Joe
on the street, they don't want wrestling, but that wrestling
fans can remember forever as long as they give us
(17:26):
a reason why. Otherwise it's just a great match, and
that can be cool too. Sheldon Benjamin versus Sean Michaels
Monday Night Raw, No Reason Why one of the greatest
matches I've ever seen. Not shitting on that at all,
but the reason why is what makes me care and
remember even more and like to share that stuff. But
that's still one of the greatest matches I ever saw.
Shelton Benjamin, Shawn Michaels Monday Night Raw. Check it out
(17:46):
on YouTube. It's awesome. Jeff, I know you love will Ospray,
but did I miss anything?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Not at all. I love both those guys too, and
I think this is I know everyone's all eyes are
on will Ospray because they should be. He's a star,
but I that this gives a little more eyes to
pac who I think has been very underrated as a
as a wrestler. Like everyone acknowledges that he's great, but
he should be a bigger star too. When he was
when he was in two A five Live is Neville.
(18:15):
I remember being like, dude, this guy's like a star
star and if you could just find a place that
recognizes that. And so when I saw that he went
to AW I was like, yes, that's that's huge. I
remembered him back in the day, or not back that far,
but back when he was at two A five Lives,
and I was like, such a big fan. This Ricochet
thing with will Osprey is gonna be huge too, because
the only reason will the only reason Ricochet has a
(18:36):
paycheck in ae W is because of will Osprey putting
him over randomly in a promo.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Do you remember like he like just like he sort
of do you remember that? Yeah, I sort of. Do
you have like an invitation to come wrestle? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
He was just saying, like they're idiots over there. The
fact that they're not using ricochet. He used to watch
ricochet with like like this guy, look at this guy. Yeah,
so I'm excited to see what they come up with.
And they're clearly very close, so it's gonna be awesome.
Whatever they do is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
All right, Jeff. Finally we're closing out with Brian Danielson
versus Jack Perry the Scapegoat, and we don't have to
talk about the match because the end of the match
is really the match was awesome. Jack Perry with a
very defiant fu takes the loss. They had two defiant FEUs.
They were performed differently, which made it okay, but they
(19:26):
did do two of the defiant fews in the same show.
But this was betrayal. After the sweetest smile ever, like,
Brian Danielson is about to get jumped by Christian and
the patriarchy because Christian has a contract that lets him
challenge for the belt anytime he wants, and he wants
to be the one to retire Brian Danielson because Brian's
(19:48):
wrestling without a contract as the world champion, and here
they come. He gets attacked by this guy named Lucasaurus,
who they call kill Switch. I think now kill switch,
kill shots, swerves, move, kill switch. We're like, yo, what
the hell? Jack Perry's like, Yo, what the hell you
used to be my boy? What's going on? And all
of a sudden, here they come, and we're like, oh crap,
(20:09):
Brian's gonna be retired early. All of a sudden, here
comes Brian's group, the Blackpool Combat Club with Neville or
sorry Neville, with Poc Wheeler, Yuda and Claudio Casignoli, and
here comes friggin John Moxley. And John Moxley was actually
the first one out there, just standing there looking buff
and a white T shirt, like what what are you
(20:30):
gonna do? Christian punk ass bitch, And Christian's like, I'll
see your ass lads, son of a bitch, and all
the rest of the guys come out and then they
go in the ring and they cut to this close
up of Brian Danielson just kind of having this. He's
got this nice guy, tough guy smile where he's like,
my fucking dogs, man, they showed up. They got my
frigging back, that's what's up. Well, they did not have
(20:50):
his back, Jeff. They came out there and basically John
Moxley is the head of the Blackpool Combat Club and
he doesn't want Christian to get the belt. He wants
that belt. He doesn't want Christian to retire Brian Danielson.
He wants to be the one, and Blackpool Combat Club
is kind of like we rank you in like a
street gang. Like that's how Wheeler you'd have got in.
(21:11):
He had to wrestle everyone and take a beating and
then he was in the club. They didn't so much
do that with with POC because Pak ain't having that bullshit,
but they that's kind of their mo. So I guess
this is gonna be his ranking out of the gang,
like oh, you want out the gang, and you're gonna
get your ass beat out the gang. And they all
turned on him except Wheeler Udo, who was like, oh
come on. It was very good Fellas where he's looking
at his brother getting beat up and then thrown in
(21:33):
the hole. It was beautiful. I loved watching it.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was sad.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
They put a bag over his head and tried to
suffocate him for over a minute, which was weird and
defied the laws of physics. But other than that, it
was pretty badass man, and it made me sad in
a good way. Yeah, Murder's bat and we should just
end with that. Murder is bad. I just would I
want Tony want to think a pro murder.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You nailed it. Murder is bad. What did you think
of the betrayal? It felt It felt old school wrestling,
which is what I liked. It felt very uh you
know that the locker rooms coming out. Who are they with?
You know, it's kind of got that money Night Wars
vibe of like you know, is it nWo? Is it?
Whose side are they on? You know? Is this is
this city?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's almost older to me, like almost like NWA, like
Flair turning on sting when you're like I knew you
were going to turn but you made me believe your
son of a attack man.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It has that real pursuit of power, you know, it
has this like power can corrupt. You know. It isn't
about friendship. It's about you have something I want and
now you will be you know, it's got this old
school feeling of like I'll do anything to get that belt,
to have that championship, and I like that Stary.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Moxley's the perfect guy for that, Jeff. Like, I know,
they called Jacob Fatu the werewolf because Corey Graves is
more relevant in the wrestling world than I am. But
I call John Moxley the werewolf because he talks like one,
he looks like one. He wrestles like when he lets
himself get scruffy, it just looks like what you be
in a werewolf movie, like after the night's over, when
you recover. So to me, he's the werewolf. I really
(23:06):
like this dude a lot. He's so badass and he's
just kind of like he said this in a promo,
but he's the heart and soul of AW. Like he's
that hardcore blood. Every single match, I'm gonna bleed every time.
AW guy. He'll do the chops, he'll take the chops.
He'll let you punch him right in the face. He
doesn't care as long as you're cool with him punching
(23:28):
you back. But I like John Moxley lot, and this
is gonna be a really cool story of brothers that
betrayed one or well one brother that betrayed another, and
is he gonna be able to take him down? Because
now Daniel's gonna have to deal with everybody. And I
love that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I also think that John Moxley might have been the
only guy in the locker room who saw that needle
through the lip and thought, oh, how come we never
did that? How come I never thought of that? Oh
that was cool, man, I've never done that one before.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know you're dead on. I think you're absolutely right.
You guys, no listener reviews for the Thursday show. Make
sure you give us those reviews. I'll read them on
the air. I'll shout you out. If you just want
to shout out, I do this show's cool. Shout me
out and I'll say that and shout you out. Anyway,
Thanks for tuning in. Tell your friends, tune in every Wednesday,
tune in every Thursday, or whatever day you tune in
to us. Keep doing it on behalf of Jeff Die.
(24:16):
I'm Freddie Prince Junior. This is on sanctioned Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Peace.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
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