December 25, 2024 • 37 mins
Happy holidays everyone, please enjoy this classic episode of Wrestling with Freddie as we take a break. We will see you in 2025.
In this week’s episode I talk to Macaulay Culkin about the current state of wrestling, launching our own wrestling league, and how far women’s wrestling has come.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everybody. Welcome to another episode of Wrestling with Freddy.
I want to wish everyone a happy, happy holiday, Merry Christmas,
happy Hanukah, happy everything that you celebrate. I hope you
celebrate all of them because it means you get more presents,
including this blast from the past from Wrestling with Freddie.
It's one of my favorite episodes. I hope you guys
enjoy it. Stay tuned because the show starts right now.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh thank you for.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Tuning in to Wrestling with Freddy, Thanks for coming back,
thanks for joining the Freederation.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And today it's not going to be story time.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're going to have a guest, a fantastic guest. So
let's start the show. Welcome to Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Stepping up to the mic, the host of Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Freddy prece tune.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Ladies and gentlemen, McCauley cochie, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Go, Mile. Welcome to the show, man, How are you man?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thanks for having me man. I'm doing good and doing good.
I was just saying before we recorded that I'm I
took the morning shift with the kiddo, so you know,
but I'm doing okay. But I'm glad this is a
this is a podcast, and you know, I haven't put
a comb through my hair yet this morning, but sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I haven't shaved in about a week and a half.
So we're on the We're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Brother, were all, we're all a little grizzly here exactly. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So I started this podcast a while ago, and this
is about I don't know, ten or or eleven episodes
in and a lot of the talk in the beginning
was sort of how it all came to fruition. And
I started talking about that Rick Flair retirement match that
we all went to ye, and I got sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
On the gambling that we had.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And I don't know if I told the story right
or not, but I don't think you lost a match
the whole night. And I was I think you walked
home with like eight hundred bucks or some some shit
like that.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, you know what it was was that I wasn't
really watching the product a lot around that time, so
so everyone kept on putting in bets on what you know,
everyone was being so smart, you know, yeah, And I
was like, cool, I'll take Randy Orton, sure, man.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, there was It drove me nuts. We were there
there were I think four of us, and all of
us watched a lot except you, and you didn't lose
a bet the whole night, and it drove me absolutely insane,
but it re ignited my sort of love of wrestling,
and I was just hoping that you could kind of
touch on where you and your family kind of got
(02:39):
their love, because I know your brother was a hardcore fan,
and I don't think you ever jumped into the dark side,
or if you did, at least not for as long as.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Your brother did.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But I but I've seen your your knowledge, and I
was just wondering where it all started, when it started,
and where it came from.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
For me, it was when I was doing an Uncle
Buck and you know, so I'm sitting in some place
in like suburban Chicago or whatever, and uh so this
must have been the winner of eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And so it was one of those like like I
guess what were they called the like the essentially the
daytime shows, like you know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The Saturday Yeah what was that like?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Not main events? But yeah, I forget what it was
like a recap shows with yeah, yeah exactly, and uh
they were showing a replay of a warrior Honky talk
Man from Summer Slam eighty nine, and it was the
first wrestling match I ever saw on you know, and
boom as soon as that, like you know, that music
hit and all that kind of stuff, I was just like,
(03:39):
who is that guy?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know, yeah, when it comes to comes to not
Honky talk Man, the Warrior.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But they didn't like the Honey talk music.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I know, you know what, I appreciate him so much
more now. Yeah, guys guys like I miss guys like
the Honky talk Man and the Genius. I think I
think wrestling needs more guys like that nowadays, for sure,
you know. Yeah, but yeah, no, the music hit and
boom and then the so you know, I was hooked
and I was I was looking it up, you know,
made sure I didn't miss anything. And you know, I
remember I was a year later. I was back in
(04:08):
Chicago and I was working on home alone and that's
when WRESTLINGIA six happened, and I was such a big
Warrior fan all stuff, but I couldn't watch the paper
because I was working. So they actually had a hot
line back then. Remember you had to call in and
they tell you the results.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Gosh, that's right, hey, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And I was, I was ecstatic. What it like the
Ultimate War. It's like it's like it's a mean gene
doing it and the Ultimate War or defeats ho Hogan,
you know, look at you know, and yeah. It was
like I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, so but
that's the yeah. That That's how I watched WRESTLINGIA six
for the first time. Was mean Jean recapped it for
me over the phone at like whatever ten dollars a
minute or something.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So in eighty seven or eighty eight, I was in Albuquerque,
New Mexico, and there was a house show at the
place where like the rodeos were at, because that's all
that really came to New Mexico, and it was called
it was called Engley Colisseum, and there really wasn't a
good seat in the house, but there were seats there,
(05:05):
but there were just pillars everywhere. So there were people
blocked all over the place and they were going to
do a Battle Royal or a yeah, I think it
was just a little Battle Royal and all the kids
would like run down to.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The rail to see their favorite wrestlers come in.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I didn't have a ticket for that area, but
I ran in with the other kids, and the Ultimate
Warrior ran by and secure. The security guy grabbed me
and was like, hey, you don't have a ticket. And
the Ultimate Warrior didn't put his hand on me, but
kind of around me and on the security guy and
he goes, it's okay. And I could smell I still remember.
(05:43):
I smelled like dirt from the coliseum, baby oil and sweat.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I was going to say, oh my god, I still
smell it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And his like the bicycle tassels were like kind of
like wet and sticky and like on my face when
he was like and I still remember that. And so
I was a huge, huge Ultimate Warrior fan. And then well,
and then I started watching nw A and I saw
Rick Flair and then everything ended for me.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was Rick Flair and Sting and that was That's
all I cared about for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But we both have Warrior origin stories.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
He was such a good gateway drug, you know. I
mean he was just you know, like me, just like
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know it's not good, but you're just gonna try
it a few times.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you know, I love the version
I am. When I watched The Ultimate Warrior, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I only have to wrestle for forty two seconds.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I am so funny and hilarious.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And your brother told me a story once, and I'm
wondering if you were there, But he told me a
story of when he was at a show. He said
he got thrown out of a wrestling show. And this
was we were all at your place in New York
City and we were playing Soul Caliber two or three
years I don't remember which one. And uh, you guys
(07:03):
were killing me with this dude with a long staff
and I couldn't get in and it was driving me
nuts and we started talking.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I hated you, and so he said he got there.
I said, what happened?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
He said, I threw a beer on the big show
and they threw me out of this good good they
absolutely But were you Were you there when that happened?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Fu no man? And if anything, I'd be pushing him
towards the security guard like he did it. Did it?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, he'd be the Russell Westbrook of the of the
of the Rest.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Keep this guy out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So Kirie went.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
He went hardcore, like hardcore and deep to the point
where I had no like I couldn't even communicate with him,
and there was just one other dude that could.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And his name was Angelo.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, And we all know Faz and we love Faz.
And when I started working there, he started working there
as well. And I took a little break, and you
came in when I did like a GM spot, just
to like say hello and help out and be a
part of the show. And I get asked this question
all the time, and I think I know why, but
(08:23):
it's better if you say it. But I get asked
this all the time. Why didn't you ever get Mac
to go and write for the w W E Oh man.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
There were times where I wanted to like kind of
just you know, like find you know, six months of
my life at the very least, kind of go in
there and stuff. And you know, I will say, I
do kind of regret not doing that now now that
I'm a dad and stuff like that, Like I got I, Man,
I barely have time to pete at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's why I could.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I mean, yeah, I know, yeah I figured that, you know,
yeah exactly, it all makes sense now, you know, But yeah, no,
I you know, I just never got around to it. Things,
you know, there was. There was always something I'm you know,
next thing, I know, I'm like on the road being
in a pizza band or something, you.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Know, like pizza band if out of like Europe or
you were in Paris or something.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah. Yeah, then I moved to France for like five
years and stuff like that, you know. But also I
came up with some really great like uh Ray Wyatt
story angles, like when alone in my room in Paris, man,
you know, I really wanted to they called me up
for consultation kind of stuff like you know how yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I know a few people they've reached out too for
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, exactly, kind of just you know, what do you
think will make the brand better? What about that? And
they don't, you know, I think they might have like
done one or two things. And I was like, hey,
I'm not saying I came up with it or nothing.
But at the same time, I was like, oh, there
you go, you know, but you know, I'm just like, hey,
you know, why don't we make the shows slightly different?
Because I mean, just one's blue and one's red, like
you know, want you know, I said, you know, God
(09:51):
blessed Kevin Dunn. But you know, it's like nope, nope, no,
like you were, this is our products, like dig it man.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Look and he's very protective of it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Man, He's like a yes, so he's really good at
what he does. What he does, Yeah, far be it
for me to criticize anything that he's saying. I'm just saying, well,
can we do something that's even just visually different, you know,
things like that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Now they're the generation of go with what you know,
So they're they're like like Garth, they fear change.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh yeah, no shit, especially the product now. Fuck, dude,
like this is just I have to see one more
fucking Like, don't get me wrong, you know, I actually
looking forward to what will be different this time. But
if I see brock Lessener Roman reigns one more freaking time,
you know. Yeah, That's the thing is that, like they'll
do the same pay per view like back to back.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That was Sena and Norton for two years straight.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It felt like it's always like a like new day.
USO's like every freaking card, like you know, and it's
just like you know, and I understand that, like their
roster obviously isn't as deep as it was a year ago.
Back they've caught I think eighty six wrestlers from their
roster in the past calendar year. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like,
you know, like yeah, so like you don't really have
(10:59):
this rich for right that maybe you might have had
before and stuff. But even then, man, it's like, you know,
how many times can we watch the same match over?
I mean literally, I think it was just recently it
was like like Survivors series and I think they like,
you know, the one before that, they were like, I
think it was the two before that, they were virtually
the same card man, And it's just like, what the
fuck's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
When you when you and I were younger, they allowed
the storylines to develop sometimes for almost a year before
you got that that final payoff. And I think once
the Attitude era hit, they gave you everything right away
in a four week package, and it kind of changed
the way the stories were told, almost pay per view
(11:39):
to pay per view, and at a certain point, I
feel like you just run out of stories to tell,
so they.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Just go with what they know. And I'm not saying
this is.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You run out of stories.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Come on, they are running out of stories.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Believe I pitched one hundred if I pitched one every
week is just when you're pitching to a wall is
going to bounce back at you See.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's kind of the problem, you know, that's that's that's
the problem right there, because you know there there there's
never gonna be a lack of stories. I mean, you
know Three's Company. You know, they had an episode in
the first season where they had to hide a puppy
from from yuh the Landlords, uh, the other Ropers, and
then in the season like six, they're they're hiding a
kitten from mister Furley. You know, it's just like, yeah,
(12:25):
it's like, man, you know, you can even you just
repackage some of this ship. You know, as long as
you give it enough time, you know, you can you can.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Do that had more time than any TV show ever.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, but I mean I think there is something to
your point of like these longer stories. But at the
same time, there was less product on television, and you know,
you were totally fine with like you know, uh, you know,
watching bad News Brown beat up Jerry the Jobber, uh,
you know, on on Saturday mornings kind of thing. Like
you know, now then you know, no one's gonna be
like down with that there's only you know, like they
(12:56):
you can't really have too many Coco be Wares in
your company anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's hard and you have to because you have to
have people that can lose, right, and you have to
give them a run at least once a year, at
least a baby run, so that they're credible that the
guys you want to get over, the girls you want
to get over, have a have a villain or a
or a or a good guy to beat.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That was the Dolf Ziggler kind of thing. Man. They
kept on jobbing them out, and he's just like, if
I don't win one, no one's like, you know, like
and listen, the guy bumps like a boss. I would
love to see him and a Kurt Henning, him and
Kurt Henning and a match together. Just all they're doing
is bumping and not actually attacking.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Selling each other the entire match.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
By the way, those are the best matches when it's
two wrestlers trying to outsell each other.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Doesn't That'd be.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
A freaking dream right there. You know, throw Shawn Michaels
in there too, like Sean That Sean Michaels.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It just does it like a double backflip, just.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Love it, Like, yeah, I want to see that, you know.
I mean definitely the Dolve Ziggler, Like he's guilty of
selling way too well, so next thing, you know, they
freaking job him out.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, Mac, have you been to Kendrick's Wrestling pro wrestling
shows here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I took I took a buddy of years from New York,
Matt and his brother and they literally have matches like
that where it was he's a he's a wizard and
his name is the his name is the Great Branzino.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, let me back up.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Xavier Woods brought Xavier Woods brought me and introduced me
to this, and I'm like, what am I seeing here?
And he goes, it's Holiday wrestling. I go, what are
you talking about Holiday wrestling? Goes, it's the Christmas Show.
He goes, I'm not telling you anything else, all right?
So we sit down. In the first match is a
guy named Emo Tep, but it's Emo E m O
(14:53):
Tep and he's.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
A mummy and pretty shops a hot topic.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, he has a he has a each bandage that
comes down over his eye and the I make of
his Egyptian and dramatic, but he wrestles the way a
mummy would wrestle, very slowly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And all the.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Matches are like this, and they put a Holidays story
around each one, and in this one in particular, it
was die Hard and they had literally a guy named
the Sexy Assassin who and he has a lisp, so
he sounds like Daffy Duck. He comes in in the
middle of the EMOTEP match and with all these like
(15:35):
lumberjack looking guys that are some aer buff, some are
not so buff, and uh, and he takes the microphone
and he goes, I'm I'm the fat via fath In.
I'm not going to do a Sexy Assassin because he
was too good. And he says uh. He says, I'm
taking over Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and to prove it, I'm
calling the owner of the company right now, and you
(15:56):
can listen in.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And we're in the Moose Lodge in Burbank, so it's
like a hundred people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, yeah, and he calls he calls the owner of
Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and the speaker comes on and plays.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It ring.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Ring and I look at Exavier and I go nobody's
picking up, and he looks back at me and he goes, no,
he never picks up, and it reads about seven more
times and then he gets super mad and he hangs
up and he goes, well, just cause he's not there,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Mean I'm not taking over it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And to help me, I brought a bunch of Lumberjack
orphans that were never adopted. And they all turn to
the crowd and they go, we're a our fans that
were never adopted, and the crowd, the crowd's literally yelling back,
we just heard him say that. Like they're going back
and forth. And then the only way that you can
save the show, of course from this this Hans Gruber's
(16:46):
sexy assassin who's taking over the show is you got
to have a John McLean, And that John McLean is
none other than a character they have named cereal Man.
And cereal Man is dressed like you and I, but
he has has this amazing prosthetic cereal box completely like
plastered to his head and it says wheedies.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And uh or whatever their version of.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But I'm telling you, like the the cosplay that they
do for these is top shelf.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
They do full Kaiju matches.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, like literally the Kaiju matches and people, giant monsters
are falling out of the ring and breaking.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's hysterical.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So so John McClain comes our cereal man comes up
and he says, I'm gonna stop you, and throughout the
whole night, which about two and a half hour show,
he starts assassinating some of the lumberjacks. And at the
end of the show, the sexy Assassin gets the only
person close enough to serial Man that he can get leverage, right,
like the John McLain's wife whatever, Holly McClain, right, And
(17:47):
but their.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Version played by my aunt by the way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well side quest Hello, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's my that's actually my Aunty Viadilly is my aunt.
She plays Holly McLain.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeh, family offas tight all back.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So their Bonnie Badilia is of course pop Tart Boy,
who is a giant pop tart and only his hands
can poke out and his feet so he can't really wrestle.
And he's got him on top of the turnbuckle and
he's gonna throw him off the turnbuckle the way they
were gonna fall out.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
The knocka Tomi Plaza.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But here comes Cereal Man and he walks right by
Austin and I and instead of a nine millimeter tape
to his back, he's got back of cereal and.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
He takes it off. And this guy, God.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Bless him that he throws it and it hits the
Sexy Assassin right in the head, and the Sexy Assassin
falls off, and then his vel crow gets stuck to
the Pop Tarts vel crow, and the Cereal man comes
in and undoes it, and the Sexy Assassin falls off
the turnbuckle and lands on the Lumberjack orphans that were
never adopted, and the main event that was supposed to
(18:54):
happen never happens. They literally just say thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
For coming out, and could not they do it for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I've seen them top it with RoboCop on Thanksgiving, which
was hysterical, like they do the weirdest stuff. But you
said something earlier that led me to this, which is
now I'm leading back to you. He said something like
eighty three wrestlers had been released.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, I think eighty.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Six wrestlers have been released, right, People like Keith Lee,
people like Carry and Cross that I think are like, well,
that's a shock that you would release them, people like
Bray Wyatt, where I'm like, that's the only attraction left
in professional wrestling. But okay, that's weird Coretta with all
these wrestlers. And I already said this on a podcast
(19:41):
with Ariel Halwani. I just did this Netflix movie and
I'm doing a couple more after this, and I'm putting
a little kitty together. Right in the old days, that
would be like a little piggy bank, a little kitty.
And I want to start, not to make money because
it won't, and not to compete with anyone, because I'm
not trying to do that, but just to start a
(20:03):
West Coast indie wrestling brand. And there's so many free now.
Granted I'm a year and a half away from this
coming to fruition. I just finished the first one, so
I'm still a little ways out. But when I'm ready
to go, I just want to have a two year
plan where if it makes money, cool, but it's probably not,
(20:24):
which is what my accountant said.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, you're hoping for a break even endeavor. I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'll take it, and I'll try to do things the
old Cornet way. As far as business, I like if
I can find some places that actually want to play it.
Otherwise I'm just playing on my YouTube channel and screw
all of them. But I want to start an indie
league or an indie wrestling league. And I don't know
if I wanted to be kind of like I don't know,
if you're familiar with GCW or Cordona's Wrestling now, they
(20:53):
kind of they brought a lot of cool back to wrestling,
Like there's just some cool elements to it. But I
don't know if I want to go that direction or
if I want to go full like comedy wrestling, like wrestling.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The silly attraction kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
If you and I were to we're to start a
wrestling brand, what would you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Want it to be?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh like between those two, between those two, whatever you
wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
About it, and maybe, you know, in a year and
a half we do it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like the silly stuff kind of thing. I think,
you know, I think that's something that's kind of missing,
uh from from wrestling, you know, uh, you know, like
that that attitude era still had that stuff. It's yeah,
I mean, you know, Kane can still shoot lightning, you know,
like stuff like that like you know, yeah, like you know,
some of that kind of like that, that kind of
over the top ness. I think it has been sorely
(21:45):
missed in wrestling, So I think engaging in something like
that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I always had this idea for a character called the arm.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It just he's got one strong arm and he does
all of his moves with his one arm, and the
other arm is just doesn't do any no effect, just
like you know, punch, punch, nothing, but this one's all chokes.
I'm like, oh god, the arm, you know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Have to convince someone to get super buff on one side.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, just on one arm again, Like, hey, bron Stroman,
Hey dude, would you mind just working out one arm
and just not giving.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You doubled to just completely morph your body. Didn't you
have like a comedy character that we were joking about
one time. I think we're talking about doing a like
a D and D wrestling league, and you were gonna
(22:38):
have a character named the Librarian.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, the library didn't interrupt promos.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Every time the crowd popped. He goes like, you know,
which is actually great heat. I'd love to see somebody
just always shushing the audience every time he loses because
he's so well schooled, because he's already read all the rules,
all the books on wrestling. Uh, he always can get
his losses overturned because of some kind of technicality.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Contests or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yes, exactly. You know, so he's got a spotless record,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, comedy wrestling.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Heck yeah no, he said, what is it? The doing
decimation system? You know that would be a finisher.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah yeah, all right, See this would be good at
a Moose Lodge place.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
If you're going for silly young your man. You know,
we can come up with all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You believe me. I know. Okay, I love.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
This Netflix funded wrestling Federation.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All right, man. They don't care where I put my money,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah exactly, No, No, I'm just care Yeah, like doing gigs
exclusively to make sure.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I fall in love in ninety six minutes or less.
That's all they care.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It'll it'll fund my ultimate Warrior inspired wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
See, but we're not we're not going to say that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, taking and taking the Jim Courtnett like like package
like all right, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I just like his business package.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's all I want to end on uh on women's wrestling,
because when I got there, the women had five minute
matches and two minutes of it was their intros.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So yeah, and I mean I think the like, what
were you either like Lda and Trish and stuff like that. No,
I was, oh, geez geez. Yeah, I mean just I mean,
I forget what the people nicknamed that, but yeah, I
mean it was it was just it was just kind
of just trashy. It was just you know, good looking
women like riding around with each other. You know it
(24:45):
skin me up?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, they it was. It was goofy.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And when I got there their matches, they weren't allowed
to do much. I would see the producers literally tell
Vince in the production meetings like look on the road
were let these girls work and they can do these moves.
They're not getting hurt. They've been doing them for months now.
You gotta let them be.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like, oh no, they're gonna get hurt. They can't do it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And so the women had to fight girls like Eve Torres,
the Bellas, McCool and Layla they were like lay cool
or something like that. That was in between my two
stints was the Lay Cool Experiment, Beth Phoenix, Natty Knightheart
like that was the that was.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like the group that was there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There are some legit talents, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They had no time.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And then I left and the Total Diva Show started
out rating segments of aw and all of a sudden,
the women that were on that show started getting nine
minute matches and then they had commercial breaks, and then
that next generation of wrestlers came in and really just
took flight off of that foundation to where they were Headlinron, Yeah,
(25:56):
Banks and Bailey had a sixty minute Iron Woman match
on nx HE. When it was before it looked like
you can't do that on television.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, don't get me started.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Started. There's a salt box right over there.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But they kind of like took flight, and then all
these releases happened, and it looks as if they're pushing
more towards that pretty girl less time. I don't time
the women's matches, but I have timed a couple of
them because it felt, well, I don't they felt like
they've been getting shorter and what worth thirteen minute matches
(26:35):
or eleven minute matches now? So if I'm worried that
it's going back the other direction. But if they keep
releasing them ae W, who I've I find lacking in
a women's roster as far as.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, I think it's one of their one of their flaws.
I think otherwise, I think they're actually a really cool company.
I dig with it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
What about and they would have to start it by
signing a bunch of these winsen? But what if ae
W did a women's division and gave it an hour
and a half or gave it the full two hours
on one of their nights. They have a lot of men.
They don't necessarily talk.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
About that is there? We was There's been talk about
like you know, like a women's only kind of show,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They're gonna try with wow, but they don't have the
level of talent the a W.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah. Well no, no, no, no, I'm talking gosh, I forget
which which where there was uh it was somebody was
talking about this. No, not not just a fed that
is all women. It's like literally just giving the women
a show, you know, like that kind of thing, giving
them an hour, like kind of a week. And I think, yeah,
I don't I don't think it's w w E. But
I I just remember I think it was some it
was a women's wrestler that was like Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Ring of Honor women sounds great.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It sucks that we were at a point where like yeah,
like you kind of do have to time in some
of these matches like that's actually you know, like the
fact that we that that that's even a notion, uh
is messed up. Like that's not the way it should be.
You know, look at like they're putting together insane.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Sorry for interrupting, Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, well yeah, no, that's what I mean. Is that
like before when they were just these five minute men.
I mean, women's wrestling was a joke from like you
know what I like, from even with the like when
I first started watching the Rock and Robin and stuff
like that, and just like fuck, man, I don't like
it was just like that was your pee break, you know, yeah, man,
wasn't a lot going on, you know, Yeah, and then
they didn't really you know, I think there was I
think that kind of stigma like kind of stuck for
(28:26):
a while until you actually started like letting some of
these women cut loose and actually you know, do some things.
It's like, yeah, you know, now, like you know, you
can it's not crazy for them to headline WrestleMania or
to close the show at Survivors.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You can put Charlotte Flair in any WrestleMania main event
and people are gonna want to watch.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
No brain, regardless of men or women or whatever, like exactly,
like you know, it's it's just good.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, this is her peak, this is her time, man Like,
she's she may not be the best actor, but she
owns that character.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And when she stays in that character and.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She never breaks, it's gold man like. She's just she
should never be a babyface. As for as long as
John Cena wasn't a heel, like that's that's how long
she should be a heel for it.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's fair.
You know. Yeah, Becky Lynch is a heel is kind
of a interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, but I don't buy that she's always.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's the problem is that you don't you don't buy it,
like you know, it's it's it's it's the term didn't
work right, you know, that kind of thing. People people
still won't like. People still freaking are cheering for her
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's Charlotte and Beef.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That that herd that she and Charlotte had is still
so fresh in people's minds, and it's like for them
to just get that one match out of that and
then just say, well, they're on different brands, so it's over.
It's like, man, that's that's three pay per views. You
could get three pay per views out of that.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Easy, easy, easily.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
She could interfere with her on Raw, Charlotte could interfere
with her on SmackDown for what for four months?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay whatever?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, you know, I've always have two minds when it
comes to the brand split anyway. You know, it gives
people more TV time, you know, and we have a
deep roster. I think that's a good, you know, good thing.
They've got a lot of talent that you know, you
want to be able to see. But at the same time,
it's like I don't think they It does prevents you
from certain kind of matchups, and not necessarily in a
good way. There's not these dream matchups per se that
you actually like, Oh, I can't wait till you know
(30:24):
Survivor series where's you know, Big E gets to get
take on Roman brains like that. You know, it doesn't
tickle you in that kind of way. But you know,
like I don't think they've taken full advantage of it,
Like you know, I think maybe they tried to do
like an invasion storyline once or twice or something like that.
You know. But again, they're the same product, like you know,
on both shows, Like stylistically they're the same. They look
(30:45):
this one is just blue when the other one is red,
and like that's that's it's just you know, so I
you know, I don't even pay attention to who's on
what roster anymore, you know what I mean. I can
tell what I just glance at what color their belt is.
But otherwise, like I don't know who's on you know,
don't know what show misses on. I just know that
he's on it, and.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It isn't important to the fans which show they're on anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Like there is not a brand, you know, because they're
actually they aren't separate brands. They're both WWE.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
By the way, how can they make NXT look so different?
But they can't make SmackDown and Raw look different in
any way, shape.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Or for in any way exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And I don't mean for the better, Like I don't
think they improved NXT.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I thought I thought n XT went from the most
watchable product in WWE too unwatchable in a week, like
it just there was nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
There was just nothing there for me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And they have some wrestlers that I still like, but
I just don't And the name thing I still don't get, Like,
I just they got. They got Rick Steiner's kid and
he's he's gonna call himself bron Breaker. Kids love it,
but likeker Man like, and then they'll change it when
he gets to RAW and it'll be you know, brick Brackman.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like, yeah, I don't Ricky Reckman.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Like what they do to carry across was insane. They
had a guy who looked like Jesus turned.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Him to Immortal Kombat Man.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That he had on red suspenders. They put him, they
put him in red. You know how imagine imagine you
You create this great character right as an actor, and
then a new director comes onto the movie and is like,
hey man, we feel like for this.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You lost all your hair, like you you.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Have a unicorn, You're just like these movies made a
billion dollars. This is your first movie, man, Like, even
if it's your tenth, what are you talking about. When
he came out in like the porno dungeon mask and
the red suspenders, I literally I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I didn't. I felt bad for the guy. I didn't
even know him. I reached out to a wrestler that
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Know, who I happened to know was on the road
with him, and I was like, Yo, man, give that
dude a hug for me.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You just don't even know the dude.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
They FaceTime me that night. He was driving and it
was Morrison. John Morrison was riding Shotgun and I literally like, bro,
I'm so sorry, and he was like, dude, thanks man,
it's been hard, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I just I got it. He goes, I gotta stay
with you.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
It's like it's like his grandma died something.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Him and his girl Scarlet. I don't Scarlet board though.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
They were like the Evil Macho and Elizabeth for NXT
and they're like, yeah, we're gonna split you guys up.
And you look like a linebacker who could legit beat
up everybody, So we're.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Gonna get rid of that too. In some video game
costumes and see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I I never felt bad for someone, or if I not,
since I worked in the company, I haven't felt bad
for someone.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What it was, I well remember I was it Harper
and Rowan because a bash brother, they give him big accidents.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
My daughter, my daughter, dad, Why are they doing that
to these big guys?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
She was she's twelve now, I think she was.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Ten then, and I'm like, yo, my daughter knows what
humongous men don't need weapons?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
How do you not know that?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I people think it would make that better if she
was fighting through tears to say it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You know, Matt when they gave him the basket that
he kept covered. My my daughter literally just walked in
the room, looked at the TV.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
She was eleven, I think at this.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Point, and goes here we go again, and was walked out,
and I was like, she's.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Eleven and doesn't want to watch? Like, what are you
doing to these humongous people?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah? No, exactly. I feel like they've kind of, you know,
the E is really kind of lost focus on on
all this, and I, you know, I think there is
some kind of master plan. You know, they're bringing all
these new people and they're I mean personally, I think
they're going to sell. I think that's exactly why you're
exactly probative what they say. Yeah, you know, I think
(34:59):
Vince doesn't feel like anyone like you know, and his
family can do this. You know, he'd like Vince had
to buy the company from his dad. So he's like,
all right, Stephanie, if you want to buy it, you know,
you have to kill the billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, so I haven't.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I haven't said this before, but I'll say it now
because Ben long enough. So I was talking to a
dude who was interviewing to be their COEO or do that.
They wanted to interview, and they ended up going with
Nick conn He had he had passed, but he just
wanted to talk to me about the company another and
uh so we were just talking about the brand and
all this. He goes, Yeah, they wanted us to buy
(35:33):
the whole product. He was an exec at Fox. He goes,
they want us to buy the whole brand. But the
number they wanted wasn't a number we were going to pay.
So we licensed SmackDown instead. And I said, were you
going to overpay?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah? I said, were you even considering the job?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
He goes, no, but I just wanted to talk to
you to make sure I wasn't like crazy and lose
my mind. I said, a man, it's a crazy place
to work. So you got a nice job in La.
Your family's in La. Stay in La. But I knew
they were going to saw a long time ago off that,
and that hit me like a ton of bricks. I
was just like, yo, Vince, isn't gonna let anyone have it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Have a faceless corporation have it rather than like you know,
keep it in the family.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We're going to start a wrestling federation. We got to
think of a name. We'll start texting you ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Don't forget the arms and the librarian.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
We have to make sure we.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Have both of them. I could just do steroids in
one arm for like six months.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm willing. I'm willing to make the sacristic.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
We found it works like that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, that's that's how it works. Just want to just
keep injecting in the bush.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I haven't Drago style, all right, dude, Thank you so
much for being a guest. Thank you for being a friend.
Like the Golden Girls always said.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Thank you. Thank you. Actually, I got my son some
Golden Girls.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Really, I'm gonna tell Woodsy that he's going on the
Golden Girl Cruise.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh wow, Oh yeah, I remember because he asked for
time off. I heard about this. He has for time off,
like like do this freaking thing. All yeah, So I
got I got that, got him some of these little
little things so you can play with his little Elmo and.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
All right, my brother, thank you and enjoy being enjoyed
being a great dad.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's the idea.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Tuning in to Wrestling with Freddy, Thanks for coming back,
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
And today it's not going to be story time.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're going to have a guest, a fantastic guest. So
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Stepping up to the mic, the host of Wrestling with Freddy.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Freddy prece tune.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Ladies and gentlemen, McCauley cochie, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Go, Mile. Welcome to the show, man, How are you man?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thanks for having me man. I'm doing good and doing good.
I was just saying before we recorded that I'm I
took the morning shift with the kiddo, so you know,
but I'm doing okay. But I'm glad this is a
this is a podcast, and you know, I haven't put
a comb through my hair yet this morning, but sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I haven't shaved in about a week and a half.
So we're on the We're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Brother, were all, we're all a little grizzly here exactly. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So I started this podcast a while ago, and this
is about I don't know, ten or or eleven episodes
in and a lot of the talk in the beginning
was sort of how it all came to fruition. And
I started talking about that Rick Flair retirement match that
we all went to ye, and I got sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
On the gambling that we had.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And I don't know if I told the story right
or not, but I don't think you lost a match
the whole night. And I was I think you walked
home with like eight hundred bucks or some some shit
like that.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, you know what it was was that I wasn't
really watching the product a lot around that time, so
so everyone kept on putting in bets on what you know,
everyone was being so smart, you know, yeah, And I
was like, cool, I'll take Randy Orton, sure, man.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, there was It drove me nuts. We were there
there were I think four of us, and all of
us watched a lot except you, and you didn't lose
a bet the whole night, and it drove me absolutely insane,
but it re ignited my sort of love of wrestling,
and I was just hoping that you could kind of
touch on where you and your family kind of got
(02:39):
their love, because I know your brother was a hardcore fan,
and I don't think you ever jumped into the dark side,
or if you did, at least not for as long as.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Your brother did.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
But I but I've seen your your knowledge, and I
was just wondering where it all started, when it started,
and where it came from.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
For me, it was when I was doing an Uncle
Buck and you know, so I'm sitting in some place
in like suburban Chicago or whatever, and uh so this
must have been the winner of eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And so it was one of those like like I
guess what were they called the like the essentially the
daytime shows, like you know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The Saturday Yeah what was that like?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Not main events? But yeah, I forget what it was
like a recap shows with yeah, yeah exactly, and uh
they were showing a replay of a warrior Honky talk
Man from Summer Slam eighty nine, and it was the
first wrestling match I ever saw on you know, and
boom as soon as that, like you know, that music
hit and all that kind of stuff, I was just like,
(03:39):
who is that guy?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know, yeah, when it comes to comes to not
Honky talk Man, the Warrior.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But they didn't like the Honey talk music.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I know, you know what, I appreciate him so much
more now. Yeah, guys guys like I miss guys like
the Honky talk Man and the Genius. I think I
think wrestling needs more guys like that nowadays, for sure,
you know. Yeah, but yeah, no, the music hit and
boom and then the so you know, I was hooked
and I was I was looking it up, you know,
made sure I didn't miss anything. And you know, I
remember I was a year later. I was back in
(04:08):
Chicago and I was working on home alone and that's
when WRESTLINGIA six happened, and I was such a big
Warrior fan all stuff, but I couldn't watch the paper
because I was working. So they actually had a hot
line back then. Remember you had to call in and
they tell you the results.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Gosh, that's right, hey, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And I was, I was ecstatic. What it like the
Ultimate War. It's like it's like it's a mean gene
doing it and the Ultimate War or defeats ho Hogan,
you know, look at you know, and yeah. It was
like I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, so but
that's the yeah. That That's how I watched WRESTLINGIA six
for the first time. Was mean Jean recapped it for
me over the phone at like whatever ten dollars a
minute or something.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So in eighty seven or eighty eight, I was in Albuquerque,
New Mexico, and there was a house show at the
place where like the rodeos were at, because that's all
that really came to New Mexico, and it was called
it was called Engley Colisseum, and there really wasn't a
good seat in the house, but there were seats there,
(05:05):
but there were just pillars everywhere. So there were people
blocked all over the place and they were going to
do a Battle Royal or a yeah, I think it
was just a little Battle Royal and all the kids
would like run down to.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
The rail to see their favorite wrestlers come in.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I didn't have a ticket for that area, but
I ran in with the other kids, and the Ultimate
Warrior ran by and secure. The security guy grabbed me
and was like, hey, you don't have a ticket. And
the Ultimate Warrior didn't put his hand on me, but
kind of around me and on the security guy and
he goes, it's okay. And I could smell I still remember.
(05:43):
I smelled like dirt from the coliseum, baby oil and sweat.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I was going to say, oh my god, I still
smell it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And his like the bicycle tassels were like kind of
like wet and sticky and like on my face when
he was like and I still remember that. And so
I was a huge, huge Ultimate Warrior fan. And then well,
and then I started watching nw A and I saw
Rick Flair and then everything ended for me.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I was that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was Rick Flair and Sting and that was That's
all I cared about for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But we both have Warrior origin stories.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
He was such a good gateway drug, you know. I
mean he was just you know, like me, just like
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know it's not good, but you're just gonna try
it a few times.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you know, I love the version
I am. When I watched The Ultimate Warrior, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I only have to wrestle for forty two seconds.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I am so funny and hilarious.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And your brother told me a story once, and I'm
wondering if you were there, But he told me a
story of when he was at a show. He said
he got thrown out of a wrestling show. And this
was we were all at your place in New York
City and we were playing Soul Caliber two or three
years I don't remember which one. And uh, you guys
(07:03):
were killing me with this dude with a long staff
and I couldn't get in and it was driving me
nuts and we started talking.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I hated you, and so he said he got there.
I said, what happened?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
He said, I threw a beer on the big show
and they threw me out of this good good they
absolutely But were you Were you there when that happened?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Fu no man? And if anything, I'd be pushing him
towards the security guard like he did it. Did it?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, he'd be the Russell Westbrook of the of the
of the Rest.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Keep this guy out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So Kirie went.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
He went hardcore, like hardcore and deep to the point
where I had no like I couldn't even communicate with him,
and there was just one other dude that could.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And his name was Angelo.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, And we all know Faz and we love Faz.
And when I started working there, he started working there
as well. And I took a little break, and you
came in when I did like a GM spot, just
to like say hello and help out and be a
part of the show. And I get asked this question
all the time, and I think I know why, but
(08:23):
it's better if you say it. But I get asked
this all the time. Why didn't you ever get Mac
to go and write for the w W E Oh man.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
There were times where I wanted to like kind of
just you know, like find you know, six months of
my life at the very least, kind of go in
there and stuff. And you know, I will say, I
do kind of regret not doing that now now that
I'm a dad and stuff like that, Like I got I, Man,
I barely have time to pete at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's why I could.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I mean, yeah, I know, yeah I figured that, you know,
yeah exactly, it all makes sense now, you know, But yeah, no,
I you know, I just never got around to it. Things,
you know, there was. There was always something I'm you know,
next thing, I know, I'm like on the road being
in a pizza band or something, you.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Know, like pizza band if out of like Europe or
you were in Paris or something.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah. Yeah, then I moved to France for like five
years and stuff like that, you know. But also I
came up with some really great like uh Ray Wyatt
story angles, like when alone in my room in Paris, man,
you know, I really wanted to they called me up
for consultation kind of stuff like you know how yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I know a few people they've reached out too for
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, exactly, kind of just you know, what do you
think will make the brand better? What about that? And
they don't, you know, I think they might have like
done one or two things. And I was like, hey,
I'm not saying I came up with it or nothing.
But at the same time, I was like, oh, there
you go, you know, but you know, I'm just like, hey,
you know, why don't we make the shows slightly different?
Because I mean, just one's blue and one's red, like
you know, want you know, I said, you know, God
(09:51):
blessed Kevin Dunn. But you know, it's like nope, nope, no,
like you were, this is our products, like dig it man.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Look and he's very protective of it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Man, He's like a yes, so he's really good at
what he does. What he does, Yeah, far be it
for me to criticize anything that he's saying. I'm just saying, well,
can we do something that's even just visually different, you know,
things like that.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Now they're the generation of go with what you know,
So they're they're like like Garth, they fear change.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh yeah, no shit, especially the product now. Fuck, dude,
like this is just I have to see one more
fucking Like, don't get me wrong, you know, I actually
looking forward to what will be different this time. But
if I see brock Lessener Roman reigns one more freaking time,
you know. Yeah, That's the thing is that, like they'll
do the same pay per view like back to back.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
That was Sena and Norton for two years straight.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It felt like it's always like a like new day.
USO's like every freaking card, like you know, and it's
just like you know, and I understand that, like their
roster obviously isn't as deep as it was a year ago.
Back they've caught I think eighty six wrestlers from their
roster in the past calendar year. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like,
you know, like yeah, so like you don't really have
(10:59):
this rich for right that maybe you might have had
before and stuff. But even then, man, it's like, you know,
how many times can we watch the same match over?
I mean literally, I think it was just recently it
was like like Survivors series and I think they like,
you know, the one before that, they were like, I
think it was the two before that, they were virtually
the same card man, And it's just like, what the
fuck's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
When you when you and I were younger, they allowed
the storylines to develop sometimes for almost a year before
you got that that final payoff. And I think once
the Attitude era hit, they gave you everything right away
in a four week package, and it kind of changed
the way the stories were told, almost pay per view
(11:39):
to pay per view, and at a certain point, I
feel like you just run out of stories to tell,
so they.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Just go with what they know. And I'm not saying
this is.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You run out of stories.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Come on, they are running out of stories.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Believe I pitched one hundred if I pitched one every
week is just when you're pitching to a wall is
going to bounce back at you See.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's kind of the problem, you know, that's that's that's
the problem right there, because you know there there there's
never gonna be a lack of stories. I mean, you
know Three's Company. You know, they had an episode in
the first season where they had to hide a puppy
from from yuh the Landlords, uh, the other Ropers, and
then in the season like six, they're they're hiding a
kitten from mister Furley. You know, it's just like, yeah,
(12:25):
it's like, man, you know, you can even you just
repackage some of this ship. You know, as long as
you give it enough time, you know, you can you can.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Do that had more time than any TV show ever.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, but I mean I think there is something to
your point of like these longer stories. But at the
same time, there was less product on television, and you know,
you were totally fine with like you know, uh, you know,
watching bad News Brown beat up Jerry the Jobber, uh,
you know, on on Saturday mornings kind of thing. Like
you know, now then you know, no one's gonna be
like down with that there's only you know, like they
(12:56):
you can't really have too many Coco be Wares in
your company anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's hard and you have to because you have to
have people that can lose, right, and you have to
give them a run at least once a year, at
least a baby run, so that they're credible that the
guys you want to get over, the girls you want
to get over, have a have a villain or a
or a or a good guy to beat.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That was the Dolf Ziggler kind of thing. Man. They
kept on jobbing them out, and he's just like, if
I don't win one, no one's like, you know, like
and listen, the guy bumps like a boss. I would
love to see him and a Kurt Henning, him and
Kurt Henning and a match together. Just all they're doing
is bumping and not actually attacking.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Selling each other the entire match.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
By the way, those are the best matches when it's
two wrestlers trying to outsell each other.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Doesn't That'd be.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
A freaking dream right there. You know, throw Shawn Michaels
in there too, like Sean That Sean Michaels.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It just does it like a double backflip, just.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Love it, Like, yeah, I want to see that, you know.
I mean definitely the Dolve Ziggler, Like he's guilty of
selling way too well, so next thing, you know, they
freaking job him out.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, Mac, have you been to Kendrick's Wrestling pro wrestling
shows here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I took I took a buddy of years from New York,
Matt and his brother and they literally have matches like
that where it was he's a he's a wizard and
his name is the his name is the Great Branzino.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, let me back up.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Xavier Woods brought Xavier Woods brought me and introduced me
to this, and I'm like, what am I seeing here?
And he goes, it's Holiday wrestling. I go, what are
you talking about Holiday wrestling? Goes, it's the Christmas Show.
He goes, I'm not telling you anything else, all right?
So we sit down. In the first match is a
guy named Emo Tep, but it's Emo E m O
(14:53):
Tep and he's.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
A mummy and pretty shops a hot topic.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, he has a he has a each bandage that
comes down over his eye and the I make of
his Egyptian and dramatic, but he wrestles the way a
mummy would wrestle, very slowly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And all the.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Matches are like this, and they put a Holidays story
around each one, and in this one in particular, it
was die Hard and they had literally a guy named
the Sexy Assassin who and he has a lisp, so
he sounds like Daffy Duck. He comes in in the
middle of the EMOTEP match and with all these like
(15:35):
lumberjack looking guys that are some aer buff, some are
not so buff, and uh, and he takes the microphone
and he goes, I'm I'm the fat via fath In.
I'm not going to do a Sexy Assassin because he
was too good. And he says uh. He says, I'm
taking over Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and to prove it, I'm
calling the owner of the company right now, and you
(15:56):
can listen in.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And we're in the Moose Lodge in Burbank, so it's
like a hundred people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, yeah, and he calls he calls the owner of
Wrestling Pro Wrestling, and the speaker comes on and plays.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It ring.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Ring and I look at Exavier and I go nobody's
picking up, and he looks back at me and he goes, no,
he never picks up, and it reads about seven more
times and then he gets super mad and he hangs
up and he goes, well, just cause he's not there,
it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Mean I'm not taking over it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And to help me, I brought a bunch of Lumberjack
orphans that were never adopted. And they all turn to
the crowd and they go, we're a our fans that
were never adopted, and the crowd, the crowd's literally yelling back,
we just heard him say that. Like they're going back
and forth. And then the only way that you can
save the show, of course from this this Hans Gruber's
(16:46):
sexy assassin who's taking over the show is you got
to have a John McLean, And that John McLean is
none other than a character they have named cereal Man.
And cereal Man is dressed like you and I, but
he has has this amazing prosthetic cereal box completely like
plastered to his head and it says wheedies.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And uh or whatever their version of.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
But I'm telling you, like the the cosplay that they
do for these is top shelf.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
They do full Kaiju matches.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, like literally the Kaiju matches and people, giant monsters
are falling out of the ring and breaking.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's hysterical.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So so John McClain comes our cereal man comes up
and he says, I'm gonna stop you, and throughout the
whole night, which about two and a half hour show,
he starts assassinating some of the lumberjacks. And at the
end of the show, the sexy Assassin gets the only
person close enough to serial Man that he can get leverage, right,
like the John McLain's wife whatever, Holly McClain, right, And
(17:47):
but their.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Version played by my aunt by the way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well side quest Hello, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's my that's actually my Aunty Viadilly is my aunt.
She plays Holly McLain.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeh, family offas tight all back.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So their Bonnie Badilia is of course pop Tart Boy,
who is a giant pop tart and only his hands
can poke out and his feet so he can't really wrestle.
And he's got him on top of the turnbuckle and
he's gonna throw him off the turnbuckle the way they
were gonna fall out.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
The knocka Tomi Plaza.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
But here comes Cereal Man and he walks right by
Austin and I and instead of a nine millimeter tape
to his back, he's got back of cereal and.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
He takes it off. And this guy, God.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Bless him that he throws it and it hits the
Sexy Assassin right in the head, and the Sexy Assassin
falls off, and then his vel crow gets stuck to
the Pop Tarts vel crow, and the Cereal man comes
in and undoes it, and the Sexy Assassin falls off
the turnbuckle and lands on the Lumberjack orphans that were
never adopted, and the main event that was supposed to
(18:54):
happen never happens. They literally just say thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
For coming out, and could not they do it for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I've seen them top it with RoboCop on Thanksgiving, which
was hysterical, like they do the weirdest stuff. But you
said something earlier that led me to this, which is
now I'm leading back to you. He said something like
eighty three wrestlers had been released.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, I think eighty.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Six wrestlers have been released, right, People like Keith Lee,
people like Carry and Cross that I think are like, well,
that's a shock that you would release them, people like
Bray Wyatt, where I'm like, that's the only attraction left
in professional wrestling. But okay, that's weird Coretta with all
these wrestlers. And I already said this on a podcast
(19:41):
with Ariel Halwani. I just did this Netflix movie and
I'm doing a couple more after this, and I'm putting
a little kitty together. Right in the old days, that
would be like a little piggy bank, a little kitty.
And I want to start, not to make money because
it won't, and not to compete with anyone, because I'm
not trying to do that, but just to start a
(20:03):
West Coast indie wrestling brand. And there's so many free now.
Granted I'm a year and a half away from this
coming to fruition. I just finished the first one, so
I'm still a little ways out. But when I'm ready
to go, I just want to have a two year
plan where if it makes money, cool, but it's probably not,
(20:24):
which is what my accountant said.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, you're hoping for a break even endeavor. I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'll take it, and I'll try to do things the
old Cornet way. As far as business, I like if
I can find some places that actually want to play it.
Otherwise I'm just playing on my YouTube channel and screw
all of them. But I want to start an indie
league or an indie wrestling league. And I don't know
if I wanted to be kind of like I don't know,
if you're familiar with GCW or Cordona's Wrestling now, they
(20:53):
kind of they brought a lot of cool back to wrestling,
Like there's just some cool elements to it. But I
don't know if I want to go that direction or
if I want to go full like comedy wrestling, like wrestling.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The silly attraction kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
If you and I were to we're to start a
wrestling brand, what would you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Want it to be?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh like between those two, between those two, whatever you
wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
About it, and maybe, you know, in a year and
a half we do it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like the silly stuff kind of thing. I think,
you know, I think that's something that's kind of missing,
uh from from wrestling, you know, uh, you know, like
that that attitude era still had that stuff. It's yeah,
I mean, you know, Kane can still shoot lightning, you know,
like stuff like that like you know, yeah, like you know,
some of that kind of like that, that kind of
over the top ness. I think it has been sorely
(21:45):
missed in wrestling, So I think engaging in something like
that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I always had this idea for a character called the arm.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It just he's got one strong arm and he does
all of his moves with his one arm, and the
other arm is just doesn't do any no effect, just
like you know, punch, punch, nothing, but this one's all chokes.
I'm like, oh god, the arm, you know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Have to convince someone to get super buff on one side.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, just on one arm again, Like, hey, bron Stroman,
Hey dude, would you mind just working out one arm
and just not giving.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You doubled to just completely morph your body. Didn't you
have like a comedy character that we were joking about
one time. I think we're talking about doing a like
a D and D wrestling league, and you were gonna
(22:38):
have a character named the Librarian.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, the library didn't interrupt promos.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Every time the crowd popped. He goes like, you know,
which is actually great heat. I'd love to see somebody
just always shushing the audience every time he loses because
he's so well schooled, because he's already read all the rules,
all the books on wrestling. Uh, he always can get
his losses overturned because of some kind of technicality.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Contests or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yes, exactly. You know, so he's got a spotless record,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, comedy wrestling.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Heck yeah no, he said, what is it? The doing
decimation system? You know that would be a finisher.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah yeah, all right, See this would be good at
a Moose Lodge place.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
If you're going for silly young your man. You know,
we can come up with all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You believe me. I know. Okay, I love.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
This Netflix funded wrestling Federation.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All right, man. They don't care where I put my money,
all right.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah exactly, No, No, I'm just care Yeah, like doing gigs
exclusively to make sure.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I fall in love in ninety six minutes or less.
That's all they care.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It'll it'll fund my ultimate Warrior inspired wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
See, but we're not we're not going to say that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, taking and taking the Jim Courtnett like like package
like all right, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I just like his business package.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's all I want to end on uh on women's wrestling,
because when I got there, the women had five minute
matches and two minutes of it was their intros.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So yeah, and I mean I think the like, what
were you either like Lda and Trish and stuff like that. No,
I was, oh, geez geez. Yeah, I mean just I mean,
I forget what the people nicknamed that, but yeah, I
mean it was it was just it was just kind
of just trashy. It was just you know, good looking
women like riding around with each other. You know it
(24:45):
skin me up?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, they it was. It was goofy.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And when I got there their matches, they weren't allowed
to do much. I would see the producers literally tell
Vince in the production meetings like look on the road
were let these girls work and they can do these moves.
They're not getting hurt. They've been doing them for months now.
You gotta let them be.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Like, oh no, they're gonna get hurt. They can't do it.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And so the women had to fight girls like Eve Torres,
the Bellas, McCool and Layla they were like lay cool
or something like that. That was in between my two
stints was the Lay Cool Experiment, Beth Phoenix, Natty Knightheart
like that was the that was.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like the group that was there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
There are some legit talents, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They had no time.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And then I left and the Total Diva Show started
out rating segments of aw and all of a sudden,
the women that were on that show started getting nine
minute matches and then they had commercial breaks, and then
that next generation of wrestlers came in and really just
took flight off of that foundation to where they were Headlinron, Yeah,
(25:56):
Banks and Bailey had a sixty minute Iron Woman match
on nx HE. When it was before it looked like
you can't do that on television.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, don't get me started.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Started. There's a salt box right over there.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But they kind of like took flight, and then all
these releases happened, and it looks as if they're pushing
more towards that pretty girl less time. I don't time
the women's matches, but I have timed a couple of
them because it felt, well, I don't they felt like
they've been getting shorter and what worth thirteen minute matches
(26:35):
or eleven minute matches now? So if I'm worried that
it's going back the other direction. But if they keep
releasing them ae W, who I've I find lacking in
a women's roster as far as.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, I think it's one of their one of their flaws.
I think otherwise, I think they're actually a really cool company.
I dig with it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
What about and they would have to start it by
signing a bunch of these winsen? But what if ae
W did a women's division and gave it an hour
and a half or gave it the full two hours
on one of their nights. They have a lot of men.
They don't necessarily talk.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
About that is there? We was There's been talk about
like you know, like a women's only kind of show,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They're gonna try with wow, but they don't have the
level of talent the a W.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah. Well no, no, no, no, I'm talking gosh, I forget
which which where there was uh it was somebody was
talking about this. No, not not just a fed that
is all women. It's like literally just giving the women
a show, you know, like that kind of thing, giving
them an hour, like kind of a week. And I think, yeah,
I don't I don't think it's w w E. But
I I just remember I think it was some it
was a women's wrestler that was like Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Ring of Honor women sounds great.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It sucks that we were at a point where like yeah,
like you kind of do have to time in some
of these matches like that's actually you know, like the
fact that we that that that's even a notion, uh
is messed up. Like that's not the way it should be.
You know, look at like they're putting together insane.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Sorry for interrupting, Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, well yeah, no, that's what I mean. Is that
like before when they were just these five minute men.
I mean, women's wrestling was a joke from like you
know what I like, from even with the like when
I first started watching the Rock and Robin and stuff
like that, and just like fuck, man, I don't like
it was just like that was your pee break, you know, yeah, man,
wasn't a lot going on, you know, Yeah, and then
they didn't really you know, I think there was I
think that kind of stigma like kind of stuck for
(28:26):
a while until you actually started like letting some of
these women cut loose and actually you know, do some things.
It's like, yeah, you know, now, like you know, you
can it's not crazy for them to headline WrestleMania or
to close the show at Survivors.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You can put Charlotte Flair in any WrestleMania main event
and people are gonna want to watch.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
No brain, regardless of men or women or whatever, like exactly,
like you know, it's it's just good.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, this is her peak, this is her time, man Like,
she's she may not be the best actor, but she
owns that character.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And when she stays in that character and.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She never breaks, it's gold man like. She's just she
should never be a babyface. As for as long as
John Cena wasn't a heel, like that's that's how long
she should be a heel for it.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, I think I think that's I think that's fair.
You know. Yeah, Becky Lynch is a heel is kind
of a interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, but I don't buy that she's always.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's the problem is that you don't you don't buy it,
like you know, it's it's it's it's the term didn't
work right, you know, that kind of thing. People people
still won't like. People still freaking are cheering for her
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's Charlotte and Beef.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That that herd that she and Charlotte had is still
so fresh in people's minds, and it's like for them
to just get that one match out of that and
then just say, well, they're on different brands, so it's over.
It's like, man, that's that's three pay per views. You
could get three pay per views out of that.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Easy, easy, easily.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
She could interfere with her on Raw, Charlotte could interfere
with her on SmackDown for what for four months?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay whatever?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, you know, I've always have two minds when it
comes to the brand split anyway. You know, it gives
people more TV time, you know, and we have a
deep roster. I think that's a good, you know, good thing.
They've got a lot of talent that you know, you
want to be able to see. But at the same time,
it's like I don't think they It does prevents you
from certain kind of matchups, and not necessarily in a
good way. There's not these dream matchups per se that
you actually like, Oh, I can't wait till you know
(30:24):
Survivor series where's you know, Big E gets to get
take on Roman brains like that. You know, it doesn't
tickle you in that kind of way. But you know,
like I don't think they've taken full advantage of it,
Like you know, I think maybe they tried to do
like an invasion storyline once or twice or something like that.
You know. But again, they're the same product, like you know,
on both shows, Like stylistically they're the same. They look
(30:45):
this one is just blue when the other one is red,
and like that's that's it's just you know, so I
you know, I don't even pay attention to who's on
what roster anymore, you know what I mean. I can
tell what I just glance at what color their belt is.
But otherwise, like I don't know who's on you know,
don't know what show misses on. I just know that
he's on it, and.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It isn't important to the fans which show they're on anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Like there is not a brand, you know, because they're
actually they aren't separate brands. They're both WWE.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
By the way, how can they make NXT look so different?
But they can't make SmackDown and Raw look different in
any way, shape.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Or for in any way exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And I don't mean for the better, Like I don't
think they improved NXT.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I thought I thought n XT went from the most
watchable product in WWE too unwatchable in a week, like
it just there was nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
There was just nothing there for me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And they have some wrestlers that I still like, but
I just don't And the name thing I still don't get, Like,
I just they got. They got Rick Steiner's kid and
he's he's gonna call himself bron Breaker. Kids love it,
but likeker Man like, and then they'll change it when
he gets to RAW and it'll be you know, brick Brackman.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Like, yeah, I don't Ricky Reckman.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Like what they do to carry across was insane. They
had a guy who looked like Jesus turned.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Him to Immortal Kombat Man.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
That he had on red suspenders. They put him, they
put him in red. You know how imagine imagine you
You create this great character right as an actor, and
then a new director comes onto the movie and is like,
hey man, we feel like for this.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You lost all your hair, like you you.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Have a unicorn, You're just like these movies made a
billion dollars. This is your first movie, man, Like, even
if it's your tenth, what are you talking about. When
he came out in like the porno dungeon mask and
the red suspenders, I literally I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I didn't. I felt bad for the guy. I didn't
even know him. I reached out to a wrestler that
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Know, who I happened to know was on the road
with him, and I was like, Yo, man, give that
dude a hug for me.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You just don't even know the dude.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
They FaceTime me that night. He was driving and it
was Morrison. John Morrison was riding Shotgun and I literally like, bro,
I'm so sorry, and he was like, dude, thanks man,
it's been hard, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I just I got it. He goes, I gotta stay
with you.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
It's like it's like his grandma died something.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Him and his girl Scarlet. I don't Scarlet board though.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
They were like the Evil Macho and Elizabeth for NXT
and they're like, yeah, we're gonna split you guys up.
And you look like a linebacker who could legit beat
up everybody, So we're.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Gonna get rid of that too. In some video game
costumes and see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I I never felt bad for someone, or if I not,
since I worked in the company, I haven't felt bad
for someone.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What it was, I well remember I was it Harper
and Rowan because a bash brother, they give him big accidents.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
My daughter, my daughter, dad, Why are they doing that
to these big guys?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
She was she's twelve now, I think she was.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Ten then, and I'm like, yo, my daughter knows what
humongous men don't need weapons?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
How do you not know that?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I people think it would make that better if she
was fighting through tears to say it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You know, Matt when they gave him the basket that
he kept covered. My my daughter literally just walked in
the room, looked at the TV.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
She was eleven, I think at this.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Point, and goes here we go again, and was walked out,
and I was like, she's.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Eleven and doesn't want to watch? Like, what are you
doing to these humongous people?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah? No, exactly. I feel like they've kind of, you know,
the E is really kind of lost focus on on
all this, and I, you know, I think there is
some kind of master plan. You know, they're bringing all
these new people and they're I mean personally, I think
they're going to sell. I think that's exactly why you're
exactly probative what they say. Yeah, you know, I think
(34:59):
Vince doesn't feel like anyone like you know, and his
family can do this. You know, he'd like Vince had
to buy the company from his dad. So he's like,
all right, Stephanie, if you want to buy it, you know,
you have to kill the billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, so I haven't.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I haven't said this before, but I'll say it now
because Ben long enough. So I was talking to a
dude who was interviewing to be their COEO or do that.
They wanted to interview, and they ended up going with
Nick conn He had he had passed, but he just
wanted to talk to me about the company another and
uh so we were just talking about the brand and
all this. He goes, Yeah, they wanted us to buy
(35:33):
the whole product. He was an exec at Fox. He goes,
they want us to buy the whole brand. But the
number they wanted wasn't a number we were going to pay.
So we licensed SmackDown instead. And I said, were you
going to overpay?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah? I said, were you even considering the job?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
He goes, no, but I just wanted to talk to
you to make sure I wasn't like crazy and lose
my mind. I said, a man, it's a crazy place
to work. So you got a nice job in La.
Your family's in La. Stay in La. But I knew
they were going to saw a long time ago off that,
and that hit me like a ton of bricks. I
was just like, yo, Vince, isn't gonna let anyone have it.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Have a faceless corporation have it rather than like you know,
keep it in the family.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
We're going to start a wrestling federation. We got to
think of a name. We'll start texting you ideas.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Don't forget the arms and the librarian.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
We have to make sure we.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Have both of them. I could just do steroids in
one arm for like six months.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm willing. I'm willing to make the sacristic.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
We found it works like that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, that's that's how it works. Just want to just
keep injecting in the bush.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I haven't Drago style, all right, dude, Thank you so
much for being a guest. Thank you for being a friend.
Like the Golden Girls always said.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Thank you. Thank you. Actually, I got my son some
Golden Girls.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Really, I'm gonna tell Woodsy that he's going on the
Golden Girl Cruise.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh wow, Oh yeah, I remember because he asked for
time off. I heard about this. He has for time off,
like like do this freaking thing. All yeah, So I
got I got that, got him some of these little
little things so you can play with his little Elmo and.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
All right, my brother, thank you and enjoy being enjoyed
being a great dad.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's the idea.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
This has been a production of iHeart Radio's Michael Tua
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Speaker 2 (37:32):
You listen to your favorite shows.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
What's up everybody, Thanks for listening to that classic episode.
Stay tuned next week and every week, because Wrestling with
Friends is never going away.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Happy holidays, see you soon.
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