April 23, 2025 • 51 mins
Welcome to this Chandrilan wedding, where Jason and Rosie will be giving a toast about the first three episodes of Andor season two! They break down the plight of Cassian and his rebel friends and admire the splendor of a traditional Chandrilan wedding. Sure does look like the most expensive Star Wars production!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Today's episode contains spoilers for and Or season two episodes
one through three, the first tranch of and Or season
two episodes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, my name is Jason Exceptio and on Merday Night.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And welcome back to ex Servision, the podcast where we've
done deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.
Coming to you from IRA podcast, where we're bringing you
three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus news.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In today's episode, we've been waiting for it, guys. It's
the most expensive Star Wars project of all time. It's
and Or season two and thanks beautiful. The money is
on the screen, guys. That's one thing nobody could say
is that this show looks cheap. If you feel like
the Star Wars have not been up to a cinematic
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visual experience, will change. Chink chi ching, kuchink chink. They're
spending those credits, baby, and thanks to Emmy contention. As
far as we know, we are recapping the first three episodes. Yes,
this season will drop in four three episode chunks and
we will be recapping them thus. Plus, this is just
(01:26):
a recap episode. As and Or such a big release
for us, we will be back for a deeper dive
on our thoughts Easter Eggs Jedi Council Opinions on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The first episode of and Or season two opens four
years before Battle of Yavin.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We are at a.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Imperial test facility, a weapons test facility called sign Ar Cassie,
and and Or is there undercover. He is there to
apparently feel a experimental tie fighter with the help of
his spy network. There on the ground a woman named Nia,
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and it goes. It goes very rockily. Yeah, and Or
crashing the ship into the side of the hangar. He
has to blast his way out. It's not a clean getaway,
but he does get away.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The money is money. It's like this secret corgious, unbelievable.
It's also really fun because so often in Star Wars
we see somebody get into a ship they've never flown
before and they can magically fly it because they're hand
solo and they're connected to the force or whatever you believe.
So it was great to see and Or crash this ship,
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trash this ship, and every single moment of the ship
getting trashed is beautiful. I also think they did a
great job here. You notice that he is wearing imperial
uniform if you are so inclined to do so. But
when you see a walking with the stormtrooper helmet that
it is very shocking, and I think they did a
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good job. I also think there's a great moment here
where Nia says, is it bad that I've had fun here?
And you realize that there are like human beings who
are all in this terrible world? I love?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, my time with the Empire has been so fun.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, she was like, fucking bad, Jason said, is bad? Bro?
That's how they get you.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like they're saying you didn't have fun, but yeah, come on,
it's the Empire. Is it bad that I love the
uniforms and it's fun to fighters?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She's like, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Elsewhere?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Bix wakes up from Nightmare B two, continuing to be
the very emotional Droid that we know him to be.
Emotional and loyal Droid from season one, is very concerned.
He wants to make sure that Cassian knows that she's
still having the bad dreams, and he's also very excited
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because Cassie apparently will return to whatever this hideout of
the Spy Network is tomorrow. We go to Chandrilla, where
Mon Mathma is getting ready for the wedding of her
daughter lighta arranged marriage, the arranged marriage in the chandriline
fashion to Stecken, who is of course the son of
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the warlord and oligarch Davoskolden, who helped them launder money
last season, because if you recall, Mon had an outstanding
like four hundred thousand credits that she needed to move
and then all of a sudden she couldn't move them
very easily, and so they needed to call in Davo
who has all these kind of underworld contacts, and he
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was able to absorb that. But the cost of the
deal was you got to marry your daughter to my
son because you're from this like high class aristocratic family,
and it's it would be great for you, know, my.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Juice, if we were attacked, if we were attached to you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I will say as well. This is a sequence that
blew my mind last season. The mod Moth miss stuff
I was here or there on I thought it was,
but this visually and costuming and production wise, I felt
like I was in the Prequels. Complimentary wedding dress looks
(05:25):
pure Amidala. The floating wedding dress, the color grading the
clothes that are worn here to showcase who is involved
in the religion and who is not, and then you
start to see some unexpected faces. Is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like, I don't know how much natural light is used
in some of these shots on Chandrilla and all the
Monmotha stuff, but it looks so good.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It looks so good, just beautiful, just looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You know what else is looking good? I found like
I was like, might citle up to mom at the
bar and be like, Yo.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
What's up.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm saying, she's looking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You look great.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I just want to tell you that thank you for
all that you've done. She's looks understanding.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That she's got the collar bones out, the little shoulders
are shouldering, and also as well, I gotta say, I
think the movie I think I think the creatives behind
this season realize, oh, we have to make her an
attractive prospect because that's going to play into where her
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storyline is going, especially with her shithead husband who I hate.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Mathma is Mathma.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Ing so anyway, But the whole there's various members of
the of the Resistance Network is here Vella is there undercover.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Luthen is there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He he's basically the wedding planner.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Wedding showed up like looking so put together. I was thinking, bro,
I remember your speech. How are you doing this? This
is creeping me out and I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So Luthen is there.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He has provided a lot of the specialty art, it seems,
for this event. And of and it seems like Davo,
s Goolden and Luthen have something cooking. They're constantly like
you know, conspiring and talking and stuff. And then Luthen
learns that the sign our mission has gone as planned,
(07:25):
and then and Or has gotten away with the ship.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We got to mina Raw, which is I'm calling Big Wheat.
This is where Bis and the team is handing out,
hiding out on Big Wheat planet.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And it's an agricultural planet.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
A lot of the workers there are illegal beings from
other places in the galaxy who are there seasonally to work.
We see an imperial ship go across the sky and
Bix and the crew start freaking out. They're like, fuck,
what are the imperials doing here? Meanwhile, and Or lands
whatever planet that he's supposed to hand off this ship
(08:04):
to you know whatever team whatever resistance network team is waiting, uh,
and he calls for his contact, Porko, but he's ambushed
by basically you know when when the Empire said rebel
scum and the original Star Wars trilogies, Yeah, I didn't
understand it until now. We're about to meet the true
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rebel like proto rebel ye rebels. The rebels have not
gotten their shit together yet, and this is like what
we have. The people who are ambushing and or are
like they have all the fire, they have all the zeal,
they have none of the discipline, and they don't know
what it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Talks us to truly do it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
We go to the Mauthene Divide where Krenik is presiding
over a meeting of a new project team, and he
gives them this whole speech about like this is listen,
whatever you're doing, whoever your bosses, they can't know about
what we're doing in here.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Everybody in here. That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's closed off. We're just that's it. We're working on
this thing and you're gonna find out what it is. Also,
in this room, our deirdre are our friendly intelligence office,
not friendly our intelligence officer from last year.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Drum. I'm still trying to walk it out. She's she's
being as enigmatic as ever.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
She has a hard or not, I don't know, and
also a major part of gas is there hilarious not
even a master. After the warnings, we get a presentation
about the Gorman Valley, which is this galactically renowned producer
of high quality textiles made from spider silk. And the
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Empire is really, really really interested in the Gorman, the
Gorman Valley. They want this area, and we're about to
find out why. Yeah, Kranik tells them that in addition
to the uh spidery silk created there, there's also huge
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deposits of calkite under the valley that is necessary for
the lens coating of the Death Star. That they have
heard of it, and and if the Empire can't find
some other synthetic or natural source somewhere else in the galaxy,
well Gorman's got to be taken in by hand, and
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very very quickly and very very quietly, with a good reason.
We go back to Cassian, the proto scum or like
they're arguing it's like, is he an imperial?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Is he not an Imperial the tie fighter there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
They haven't eaten in two days, we discover and this
goes on and on, like.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
How did they not bring snacks? Like, guys, come on,
and they've also they've already had a split in the
group because somebody is missing. Now. I will say what
I love about these sequences is despite the fact that
they clearly are just kind of to keep and Or
on the side for a little bit. I will say
I thought that the way that you see and Or
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immediately start scheming, and Cassian is suddenly like, yeah, I
know Maya the person she was my contact, Like I'm
he's so good at playing the game. He has learnt
his lessons from Lutheran and he is not afraid to lie,
to survive, to do whatever he has to to get
the mission done.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That part when he talks about Maya, I actually found
him to be sincere in that moment. I thought he
was like, hey, wait a second, I know your group.
I'm supplyed, like I'm part of another resistance cell that's
been supplying your group, Like what do you guys, we're
on the same side, Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I couldn't tell. I don't know because I'm like she's
obviously not Porko, who, by the way, is that Porkins, Like,
I don't know as a rebel, but like, yeah, I
also by the end of it was like, oh, this
does make sense. Maybe this is the truth. But I
think with Cassie and you can never know. And and
I think that that Diego is doing such a good
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job of bringing that to life.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Here Diego and his tasteful new cheek fillers.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'll say, let's just talk about it. I think his
cheeks look really smooth and different now.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They look very beautiful, like he's in the most expensive
Star Wars show of all time.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Truly.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'll also say that this sequence of scenes with Cassian
and these kind of proto rebels, the rebels come. I
found it to be a really trenchet commentary on.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Left wing infighting.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The hist like a thing that seems to be deevil
progressive and left wing politics always as they tempt to
struggle against uh, you know, capitalists and or fascist forces.
There's a reason why uh you know, uh left wing
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movers and shakers can never seem to get it together
to fight against fascism. It's because they're always fighting themselves
and that's like a sadly true thing that's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Even Yeah, it's a great microcosm to here where also
like this, they're fighting this battle within themselves that is
not leading them anywhere and is just going to lead
to them literally like eating each other and starving, while
Krenick is planning essentially like galactic fracking and how to
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destroy an entire indigenous population. So it's like, guys, there's
bigger things, just like team up and go in assassinate credits.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
That is what.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, first we got to figure out who is more rebel,
like who's the most people, who's the most You're exactly
all Rightkrenick basically tells the group, Okay, here's what we're
looking at. If we have to mine this shit in
the Gorman Valley, it will cause the massive ecological collapse
and like geological collapse of this entire region, including the
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destruction of nine notable cities in the region. And if
we're gonna do that, we have to be careful because
the Gormans have juice in the Senate and the rest
of the planets are gonna get scared that the Empire
is like out to get everybody and so we have
to just find a good reason to go in there
and do this to make it make sense. So he
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introduces d Shamba and NICUs Osar from the Ministry of Enlightenment.
These are the propaganda guys, and they start throwing around.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
These opra or how like effectively off all this immediately becomes.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, and so then they start throwing around ideas about how,
you know, we can make a case, how the Empire
can make a case for annex in Greenland I mean,
sorry Gorman Gorman Valley. And the idea is like, you know,
we can basically we can turn public.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Opinion against the Gormans.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
They're annoying and they're always like they're not helping out
with the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Fire close they're too close to the spiders that are
really scary. So it doesn't make that that make them monsters.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And then we also learn that in you know, looking
ahead to this eventuality, that they're going to try to
annex Gore, annex the Gores, they've already started pre positioning
like weapons in Palmo, the Gore capital. Krenick is like, Deirdre,
(15:43):
you've been quiet this entire meeting.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What do you got. This is a great idea. I
love this idea, and.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
She's like, I don't know, really really yeah, she's very
cagey and here's where to your point. I can't tell
if she's like, I don't like this mission, I think
it's terrible ethically, morally, egues, or if she's just like
I want to be back up my old job, like
I think this job sucks. I think it's more. I
honestly think it's more that, like I want.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
To go on best with the access with finding these.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
She still wants to find access.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yes, so she's you know, critic eventually pushes her and
she's like, well, what you need is a false flag operation,
you need fake rebels.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
She doesn't go into it, but I think what she's.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Suggesting, yes, is like a fake terrorist attack. And then
we go in back on Mina. Raw B is still
like Cassie and Cassie and when Cassie's coming back, where
is he's coming back? And we discover also that the
Imperials are on planet because they're doing an audit whatever
that means. It's how much how much wheat is big
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we giving us, Like really they just.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Want to go and act up and harass people on.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Absolutely true we go back to the wedding. It's like
the night before the wedding, it seems like folks are
so socializing. Vel questions. Cleia, who you know, remembers the
clerk at Luthen's shop who is also in the network,
important person in the network, and she's like, what the
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fuck are you doing here? Like and I get it.
Vella is worried, like why are all these spies in
one place? There's way too many of us here, like
that is weird. But she's like, well, our shop provided
the art, and Luthen is basically the wedding planner, Like
I gotta be here, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
She's like, I'm handam.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Meanwhile, Mon goes to smooth things over the light of
after a fight with the groom to be and YadA, YadA, YadA,
and we go back.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
We we end with like a final.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Visit with our rebels who are having a They're now
shooting each other because they're a fucking unseerious group of
hot heads who legitimately can't get it together and are
more interested in shooting each other than shooting at the Empire.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, and I think like aboo, super producer Boo made
a great point where it's like this also to within
the world of Star Wars, the disper ultra secret of
nature of the rebellion and how it is actively working
against itself by their not being chains of communication like they.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Just isn't thought like.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
A secret handshake, but it's something to prove that they
are involved together.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like I think it's a good point aboo. But let
me say this first of all, what one thing I
love about and Or is that there are no It
does not reflect the real world. It's completely just totally effecially.
The one thing I've been thinking about is listen, you've
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got the Empire is extremely powerful. They control every space
of communication, society, culture, and economics. There is no way
to communicate openly about resisting them, period.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It's not safe. You can't actually do it in that reality.
How do you organize? Can't You can be selective in
terms of the people who matriculate up into the higher
levels of the resistance, where and Or and Luthen and
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the rest circulate because you're but in terms of who
you are recruiting to take on this impossible goal of
fighting the Empire, I think it makes rational sense. It
doesn't make any it's not effective, but it would make
sense that the people that you're going to get coming
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to your group are going to have a lot more
zeal than ability. And they're also not the people that
you know you can trust at this particular stage. They're
the people who want to shoot. You need those people.
Are they the smart enough people who have the nerve
to like go undercover and do all the things that
Luthen and and Or and the rest do. Clearly not
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they haven't. They don't have that kind of experience. So
I take the point that, like, couldn't you communicate with them,
but like, if you tell them what's going on at
the top, your whole fucking operation is blown as soon
as one of these fuckers gets captured.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I will say this is even proven in this episode
and Andal points out where he explains, like the guy
explains who they are and that Maya is missing and everything,
and then they're like, well, tell us what you're working on,
and Ando's like no, and he's like he's like, well,
you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Have done that, Like sorry, you guys are shooting at
each other and you were like tell me your entire operator.
Get the fuck out of let's take a break and
go to episode two.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, and we're back after the shootout.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
One fact, now the factions have completely split, and so
you have the faction that is over by the Advanced
Tie Fighter, the ship faction, and you have the shot
the faction that has Cassian prisoner, the Cassian faction. Neither
of them have food or water and they are all
a fucking joke. On the way to work back on Coursot,
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Deirdre stops part Gaz to tell him, listen, I hate
this Gorman Valley project.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And it's not the genocide. It's not that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's that I want to be back on Axis hunt duty.
Get me back on Axis.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Pod guys is like, good luck. Crenick told you this
is your job, So this is your fucking job. Like
you know, it's the empire, babe, it's not a democracy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like he makes the careers point, He's like, listen, Credit
tapped you to be in this. You can put your
fucking mark on this. The Emperor has his eye on
this project.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
This is great for your career.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
So what are you doing. Don't rock the boat.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Back with the wedding party, Claya is increasingly concerned that,
like we're not getting any news out of Mina Raw, like,
what's going on? No word from the team. I don't
know if Cassiean's back. And now it seems as if
we're getting whispers that the Empire is in the area
carrying out an inspection.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What are we gonna do? She goes to Luthen.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Luthen's like, well, I can't fucking do anything because I'm running.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Up wedding, this wedding over there. I look at my hat,
it's looking so great. It doesn't it's not quick.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Meanwhile, Ominously, your favorite chanderline Parennia's husband, wis I wish
everybody listening to this foe right now could have seen
Rosie's face.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I hate a parent?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Am he am my lost.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Paren ominously watching from the sidelines, And is this a
hint of some something larger or not? Because parent does
have an issue. He goes to mom, is like, your boyfriend,
your little fucking boyfriend, take Homa, tell him to fucking
stop knocking back the drinks because this guy's a mess.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
He's talking shit.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Apparently he sees him and his wife got divorced. He's
on his ass, no money made, some bad investments. This
is what I'm here, he's like gossip, full gossip, and
he's also like, I know, he's like, isn't he your lover?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Your lover?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And she's wearing the glam outfit, so you're feeling like
he's like jealous. But you know what if she if
he she has saw out a lover, it's probably because
you are not performing parents.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And then he and then he like leaves with like
by the way, Tay is weak and he just like
swishes off in his kimono.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, back on me and a rale Bix.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Her group gets some news from a contact who comes
from a nearby like sector. The Imperials are coming soon.
There's about forty of them on planet air support unknown.
They want grain, and they're looking for refugees and insurgents
and basically anybody that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And they're very worried because.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know, Cassian hasn't is set to arrive and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Got to get there before the Imperials get there. Our
good friend Cyril shows back in up story. He's still
working bureau, still working at the bureau.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Now giving up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He's like a middle manager around and he's giving this
like raw ross speech to this new worker, and he's
basically saying, like you might. It's actually a great monologue
where he's like, listen, you look at this and you
think how boring, how boring, how boring. But I want
you to know I was this fucking clothes to catching
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a rebel spy last year, and.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You get it. Do something. If you do something, what
you could be out there too. Yeah, that's right, standing
head telling someone else they could catch and rebels.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We meet some other members of Bix's cell. We meet Will,
who has been in a little bit of a romance
with a local farms farmer named Beila. They are out
in the wheat of big wheat canoodling when the Imperials
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roll up to like a shop, a farmstead shop. Brosso
bicks they are there as well. They start shitting bricks.
They're the lieutenant. The Imperial lieutenant comes over to Bix
and he's doing the whole Colonel Hans Landa in Ingloria's
Bastard's thing, where he's very clearly like, oh, Bix, you're attractive.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm gonna throw my weight around.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Brosso comes up and keeps it from getting weird, but
it's very very clear this guy is going to be
a big fucking problem.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yea. He's like, oh, like, let's go to this little
space that I know. And she's like, I'm married and
he's like, okay, where is he? And he's a very
convenient planet mechanic I know. So what he really means is, well,
he's not here so I can do He showed off.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
At the wedding, Ta tells Mon that, hey, I'm glad
that everything with the money laundering worked out.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Last year.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because Tay was across that he was helping out. He
was he was the unwitting cutout who was setting up
this foundation, charitable foundation that was supposed to be the
you know, basically the money laundering engine for the funds
that we're going to be going to resistance fighters.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It didn't quite work and they had to.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Paul and Davo, and now Tay is like, well that
foundation is up and running and the money is accounted for.
But now I'm in charge of this weird foundation and
I feel very vulnerable and uh, you know, I just
feel like scared. And so Mon is getting anxious at
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this because the last thing she needs is someone who
doesn't really know what she's up to but has sensitive
information about her starting to freak out. What he does
drop in this conversation the word rebellion and suggesting kind
of I know what you're up to, and also says,
(27:41):
by the way, I also.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Need money, Like I'm hard on concern.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
We have established my hatred for parent, but I have
to say, look, I'm not going to give him. I
hate to give a man credit, but in this case,
he was correct. This is exactly the worst kind of
situation to be And you trusted an old boyfriend because
you had a little crush and you know too much,
and now in a situation where he's showing up and
(28:07):
he's like, hey, so I'm broke and you're running the
rebellion wink wink? Is this yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I hate?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I hate if anybody ever found out about that, like
that would.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Be really terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I feel like Mama was like, I'm like, show probably
just poisoned you.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She's a hard core she.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
We're getting there and it's a good let's okay back
on big Wheat. Bix, Brasso and the rest are like, Okay,
we gotta get out of here, Like, let's figure out
how we get out of him. That before the imperials
come and they decide, Okay, we're gonna move to somewhere
where the heat is not quite on.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But where will that be.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Clay is back at the shot at Luthen's shop to
check the secret messages with the secret Message machine. Meanwhile,
Mon tells Luthen back at the wedding that hey, I
think we got a problem with Tay. He's freaking out.
He's talking crazy shit. He said rebellion. He seems to
know what we're up to, and he's saying we need money,
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and Luthen is like, well, looks like we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Have to handle him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wink wink Winkna's like this is a great exchange because
Mon says, I don't know what you mean, and then
Luthen is like, hey, I forget exactly what he says,
but he's like how he says, like, oh, how nice
for you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
In other words, like you.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Know exactly what I mean, but you're pretending that it's
my job to take care of this fucking guy. No,
that's your ex boyfriend that we may have to kill
and you would have to.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Do it, dude.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Mona is also this is a recurring issue with her
thematically throughout the first season, and this season where she
wants to get her hands dirty, but she doesn't. She
refuses to do the work that actually has to be done,
and that she there is a balance to be played
here as her role in the society and everything. But
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this I think is a great interaction and I am
on Luke, I love it well. I think until this
man and you know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It speaks to the it humanizes this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
One of the things I thought while watching this show
season two is I think that this is the best
from a technical standpoint, I think this is the best
world building we've seen in Star Wars. Oh in terms
of the societies, the cultures, the day to day living
in this world, Like we really get it. And with
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mon Mon is an aristocrat, she hates what's going on.
She's taken a huge, huge step, made a big decision,
put herself on the line to try and help the
rebellion in any way that she can with the levers
that she has available to her. But it has not
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she'sn't gotten to that point yet.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Where they're like, you have to kill someone, Like that's
very different.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
If I'm a bureaucrat working in the empire and I'm
leaking you know, Oh my god, this is terrible. I
just found out about Gore. I'm gonna leak this to
the resistance self. Okay, that's one thing. But if they're
then like, hey.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The wrong past, that's you kill that guy now, and you.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Kill that's a huge I don't even think that's like
I mean Abu saying idealistic versus pragmatism. I think that's
true in a material sense, but I don't. But I
think it ignores like the reality of how difficult what
they're doing is and what they're asking me.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, she's not a killer.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I would also say that is one of the biggest
achievements of and Or season one and season two, which
is it's to really have a rebellion. It is not. Oh,
I'm Luke Skywalker and I'm picked as the chosen one,
and I have to fight and I can immediately do it,
and I get trained in one day and I kill
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the bad guys and I blow up the Death Star.
That's not the reality. And ever since Roguron, Tony Gilroy
has been saying, no, there're so many millions of people,
thousands of people who are affected every single day by
these choices we're making, and who have had to die.
You know, many Bothans had to die to get this information. Yeah,
not just the bothains guys Like and I love that
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that's what Andor is doing. And the truth is, like,
this is a fucking hard watch right now, but it's
also a very important watch.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It is a shocking ask forro Mon from Luthen, but
it's also uh and I really empathize with her position
because I think to get to that point, she's already
had to make such a huge decision and now to
be told, listen, we may have to kill someone.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And it's not just like anyone. It is her childhood friend, Like.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean, like this boyfriend who
she trusted in season with this information. Also, I will
say I think something that really struck me an episode
one that plays a part in this ongoing conversation about
Mon's role is there is a moment when she's talking
to Late and I love how the cinematography goes from
this bright, beautiful wedding ceremony to this kind of darkened
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chamber where they're talking and she looks at her and
she says, I'm so sorry, and Leada looks at her
and understands that what she's actually sorry for is that
she sold her child into an arranged marriage.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, and she had to do it for.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
This reason that Leda doesn't know. And while Leada was
interested in this marriage, she's now kind of realizing like, well,
this guy doesn't actually love me or know how to
be a boyfriend, let alone a partner. He's just a kid,
you know. And I think that that is what Mon's
true sacrifice has been, is kind of like how far
will she go and what parts of her life will
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she sacrifice? And I guess they're probably gonna have us
ask is this a line that she would cross? I
think she would. If it was a non horrific death
where somebody was like, here is a poison, you can
kill him, I think she would probably do it and
shed a tear. I don't think she's gonna shoot him
in the head. I don't think that's a way of being.
(34:04):
But I think this is going to be a big
moral conundrum going into episode three.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Back at the Scum, the rebels all decide to have
a truce. They drop their guns, and they basically do
row Schambeau to see who will run the group from
now on.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's how this is going to do with this. This
is what a joke? These they're a joke.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Meanwhile, and Or, who has been giving them big tips
throughout this struggle, has been like, hey, somebody set up
a perimeter. It's raining, somebody collect rain water. You guys
haven't eaten or drink for two days, and now you're
nobody's collecting, Like, what are we doing? He takes the
opportunity to sneak away. A very scary monster comes out
(34:47):
and causes chaos, and in the chaos he shoots one
of the rebels, gets on the advanced tie fighter and
he flies away and we see in the in the
in the wide as he screams up into space that
he was on Yavin.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He was having his own mini Battle of Yavon, many
years before it would happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, let's take a quick break. Wee right back, and
we're back episode three. So and Or is up in space.
(35:33):
The tie fighter has like crapped out. He has the
hot wire and he can barely fly this thing. And
it's a it's a problem. Back on mina big wheat,
the farmers are at like a big stardoo valley farm banquet.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It does look like that doing the stard Valley challenge
where you have to.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, he's got the most com Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Brasso's contact arrives with news that the Imperials are getting
really really close. Cassian has not been heard from, and
he gives them like passes to go to another region
of big wheat. But if they're gonna use them, they
have to use him tonight. It's only good for today.
(36:22):
And you can tell that this guy is fucking desperate.
We go to the Weddinglida looks beautiful. Mathma tells her listen, like,
if you don't want to do this, you don't to
marry this guy, we can like delay it, we can
make it, we can make an excuse.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And she's trying, she's trying to be fine.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And yeah, and and it's an active bravery. It's not
an active cowardice to do that. And Lida is like, mom,
are you freaking drunk?
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Like what is up with She's like, have you seen
this fucking dress, Princess Abadala, and like this is looking
good for me. I'm loving this.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Uh. Cleya. It gets in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Contact with and Or and he tells her that the
whole operation is upside down. He's in the wrong ship.
The pilot of the ship is that he was supposed
to give the ship to his dead He can't fly
the ship, and I want to go back to Big
Wheat to be with my team to figure out what's next. Well,
Clay's like, well, there's a problem with Big Wheat. We
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don't have contact with Big Wheat right now. There is
a communication blockade there and just seems like there's a
lot of extra company, if you know what I mean,
over there in Big Wheat. And then immediately and Or
hangs up and he just fucking goes. He's like, uh,
bags is that I'm not going find a Joel is
pointing out that Mon is fucked if Leeda takes that
(37:42):
offer because the financial deal hinges on that. Well, the
financial deal is done, the money has already been smoothed over.
So yes, I think Mon is fucked. But in terms
of the money, the money laundering is finished. And I
think what she would then have to do some damage control.
But she could always spin it as like my daughter
(38:03):
is freaking.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
She could delay it like she could spin it. They
had an argument, but I think as well, I think
that is a great point that Joel brings up because
I do think that is a moment of mode putting
being a mom and her daughter before being a rebel.
Now where would that leave the rebellion? Like, does that
show that her she has not fully taken that step.
(38:28):
I think it's very interesting, but I was wishing that
Lida would not take the weird arranged religious call.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Into it, which she does, but she's also a yeah,
that's true. Differently there on Chindrilla anyway, Deirdre is having
is with Cyril and they're getting ready for dinner with mom.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Oh oh h.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It goes as you would expect, knowing Edie from last season,
and Deirdre says that she grew up in an orphanage.
My family are criminals, and oh, by the way, stop
giving your son shit.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Stay out of our business. I promise you.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
He will call you once a week. But you need
to stop with the all the fucking nagging and all
the mom stuff that you do, because it's like suffocating.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's not good for him. Okay, Wild was.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Not expecting that, but Deirdra I think that the born
in and raised in an orphanage where her family because
her family was criminals. It's still saying she could be
deep undercover for the Rebellion. I'm just saying like, I
don't know what she's got going on, but she's still
enigmatic to me. And yeah, the mom dinner sequence did
(39:50):
not expect it. I feel like Tony's pulling out some
unexpected intimate moments in this season that I did not
think we'd get to see. Edie the draw a back
door for the Ages.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I think one of the things that again makes this
show so good is that it kind of subverts the
traditional like bad guy a good guy duality that we've
seen in Star Wars, where you have the good guy
and then you have the bad guy, but the bad
guy will be redeemed and become the good guy. It
(40:23):
feels like you want to think that with Deirdre. But
I truly think that any objection she has to the
Gore Conspiracy is truly just because she's doesn't like the job.
She wants to be back doing her other job that she.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Was good, that she was good at, and she feels
like she's.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Being set up to fail with this Gore Conspiracy. She
loves being an imperial stooge. She's good at it, but
she wants to be good at it in her terms,
and it's interesting to look.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
At that and be like, God, is she you know,
is she good? Or even if there's any way for
the Resistance to have leverage with her. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I also think that you make a great point because
it's not only subverting the redemption of villainous characters, but
also subverting the idea that the good characters win, because
we know what the end of Rogue one is and
while they do win, and Or doesn't get to survive
to see it, much like Lutheran told him. And I
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think there is just something really heartbreaking about the fact
that no matter where this journey goes, we know that
the characters we are following are going to have to
do terrible things to allow the Death Star to be destroyed,
to allow the short time that the rebels defeat you know,
(41:45):
the Empire before they get replaced by by Kylo Wren
and his and his goons. But yeah, it's I think
it's a really interesting subversion and I think Tony gilrey
Is is the man to do it, and he delivers
with these three eft.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Zone in the tone zone. The the episode then kind
of screams towards a climax, a dual climax, both on
Mina Raw and at the Chandrulin wedding. At the wedding, Davo, uh,
you know, makes like a speech about the bride and
(42:21):
groom in front of this important and historic Chandy Merle
statue that Luthen got for the wedding.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
He gives a benediction. Later, Luthen is making.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
The rounds as a talking to, you know, like making contact,
seeing who's you know. He seems like he's socializing, but
it's clear that he's also like who can I who
can I meet? Who can I use? What contacts can
I make? He keeps a close eye on Tay the
whole time, and Tay is continuing to make these very
increasingly not vague threats at Mond, saying well, I've also
(42:56):
been talking to Davo, you know something on occasion, which
Man and Luthan are are very keen to keep those
two from ever talking, specifically ever talking.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
When they're not around. They don't want that.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Then he's like, I gotta run, uh yeah, I got
some stuff I gotta do, And then really concerningly.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
He almost says something else.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
He looks like he's really about to divulge something and
then he's like, never mind, I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
An is now in a full panic.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
She's panicking, and Luthen clocks this.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
He sees this.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
While that's happening. Back on Big Wheat, Bee finds out
there leaving for another hideout, and he's fucking like, well,
how is Cassie and gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Know where we moved?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Like, that's my boy?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Meanwhile, the Imperials are like, are about to enter this zone,
about to enter this area. They're looking to move, but
one of their group, Will is like, where the fuck
is he? He's with that farm girl?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Oh my god, he is not a.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The We should send him down to the minor leagues
with the fucking factions shooting at each other.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Get out here.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So he's with his girlfriend Beila, and basically one thing
leads to another and Brasso gets arrested by the Imperials
trying to help Will. Meanwhile, Luthen and Mon talk about Tay.
Why is he pestering, scolding so much? This is trouble.
(44:34):
We're gonna have to do something. We can't have this
guy like hanging around. Man is shocked at what Luthen
is suggesting, and Luthen is shocked that she's shocked. She's like,
why are you He's like, why are you shocked? What
do you think that we're doing here?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What do you think happens every single day?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Like, yeah, you think we're gonna we're gonna do stuff,
and just like it's a game of tag and we're
never gonna get our nose you know, dirty or anything.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You think that's go.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
She's really grappling this because, as we mentioned, this is
like her, she was in a relationship with this guy.
It's not just a stranger. And or makes radio contact
with Bicks as he arrives in orbit with the with
the tie fighter, and just at that moment when he
gets he it's not a clear signal, but they speak
(45:22):
a little bit. She knows he's in the area. But
then the Imperial lieutenant Landa, the weirdo, shows up and
it turns into an attempted assault. They end up fighting
Bicks really fucks, like beats his ass with a hammer
and correct. The rest of the Imperials who are over
(45:43):
arresting Brasso, get the call to come over there and
back up this lieutenant who is like, they don't know
what's going on, but there's an attack there's a shootout.
Cassian sees what's going on in the tie Fighter. He
like takes everybody out with his The tie Fighter guns lands.
Sadly Brasso is dead, and what are they gonna do now?
(46:07):
They can't stay on this planet. It's unclear what's happened
back at the wedding.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Definitely like the organizer of like where they would go
and getting them out safely. So it's a it's a
pretty shocking ending, our first loss. We're probably gonna lose
a lot more as the series goes on.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yes, and then we go to the wedding. It's intercut
with this really incredible like a sequence of Mond dancing
away all her stress to this kind of like dance
the dance portion of.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
The wedding ceremony.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
And we also see as Tate is leaving the wedding
that Vell kind of follows him out just to see
where he's going, and she makes eye contact with our.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Good friend Sinta. Of course Vlla and Cinta. There's a
thing going on.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
She is tase driver and he clearly has no idea
that she's a resistance anything.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
He's probably not surviving that drive. Let's be real, because
that is what. I think she can kill someone when
she needs to.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yes, So she's driving him away and it's clear that
it might be the end for him. And we also
get lots of shots of Mond in that flowy dress
just really cutting up.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
It's very Florence in the machine if they could have.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Been very, very Florence.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
And that is the end of episode three. An amazing
first three episode drop of the and Or television program.
A television program that is very, very expensive, that looks
like a million zillion bucks, that has a lot to
say about to assist resist empire in a completely fictional
(48:03):
world with antic connection at all thing and a lot
to think about. Your thoughts, Rosy on these first three episodes.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I agree, a lot to think about. Great three episodes.
I think it's exactly what people who loved and Or wanted.
Will it make the viewing public connect with and Or?
I will say I think that the opening sequence is
a great hook to get people in, to get new
viewers in, because A there's the shocking twist of him
seeming like he's a stormtrooper, and then b you get
(48:36):
that huge, really brilliantly put together kind of escape sequence
that's so unlike anything we've seen in Star Wars before,
but that feels completely Star Wars in its own way.
It's so beautifully done, it's so chaotic, it's Tony Gilway
is not having any issues making us feel like this
is a top tier Star Wars story. So I'm very
(48:56):
excited and I'm excited to chop it up with the
producer's next episode.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Two.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, our producers Joel and we were both taking us
to task for our criticism of Will for you know,
you promised you wouldn't say goodbye to be he would
say goodbye, that he would say Gooby, he wouldn't just leave.
But then she also like found his blaster. Here's my
issue with that he left.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Look, I love I think we all need to love
and joy undefined.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
We need more love.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's important, but also bro, like just be barter at
hiding your stuff, like, don't take the blaster, don't take
the speed, don't leave the speed away. The Empire is
gonna find it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think that there's actually like a really important idea here,
which is like, can you fight something terrible without effectively
becoming terrible terrible thing while fighting it?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And I think like the idea that like.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
You shouldn't honor love and take those moments to really
be alive, like mon in this moment of dancing and
being trying to be free in this moment of extreme danger.
At the same time, if b is killed, it's because
of Will doing this. Yeah, he being sloppy, getting involved
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with a person who shouldn't know about any of this stuff.
And that's how you have to balance this stuff. I
just come on, Will, like you're gonna get everybody killed?
Speaker 1 (50:35):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm excited to talk about this with the crew. Yeah.
On Friday.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Friday on Extra Vision, we are convening the Jedi Council
to talk about the first three episodes of Andword season
two News on Saturday. On Tuesday, we asked the question
many are asking, who are the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
That's it for this episode.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
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Speaker 3 (51:04):
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Speaker 4 (51:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Today's episode contains spoilers for and Or season two episodes
one through three, the first tranch of and Or season
two episodes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Coming to you from IRA podcast, where we're bringing you
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In today's episode, we've been waiting for it, guys. It's
the most expensive Star Wars project of all time. It's
and Or season two and thanks beautiful. The money is
on the screen, guys. That's one thing nobody could say
is that this show looks cheap. If you feel like
the Star Wars have not been up to a cinematic
(01:02):
visual experience, will change. Chink chi ching, kuchink chink. They're
spending those credits, baby, and thanks to Emmy contention. As
far as we know, we are recapping the first three episodes. Yes,
this season will drop in four three episode chunks and
we will be recapping them thus. Plus, this is just
(01:26):
a recap episode. As and Or such a big release
for us, we will be back for a deeper dive
on our thoughts Easter Eggs Jedi Council Opinions on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The first episode of and Or season two opens four
years before Battle of Yavin.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We are at a.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Imperial test facility, a weapons test facility called sign Ar Cassie,
and and Or is there undercover. He is there to
apparently feel a experimental tie fighter with the help of
his spy network. There on the ground a woman named Nia,
(02:10):
and it goes. It goes very rockily. Yeah, and Or
crashing the ship into the side of the hangar. He
has to blast his way out. It's not a clean getaway,
but he does get away.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The money is money. It's like this secret corgious, unbelievable.
It's also really fun because so often in Star Wars
we see somebody get into a ship they've never flown
before and they can magically fly it because they're hand
solo and they're connected to the force or whatever you believe.
So it was great to see and Or crash this ship,
(02:47):
trash this ship, and every single moment of the ship
getting trashed is beautiful. I also think they did a
great job here. You notice that he is wearing imperial
uniform if you are so inclined to do so. But
when you see a walking with the stormtrooper helmet that
it is very shocking, and I think they did a
(03:07):
good job. I also think there's a great moment here
where Nia says, is it bad that I've had fun here?
And you realize that there are like human beings who
are all in this terrible world? I love?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, my time with the Empire has been so fun.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, she was like, fucking bad, Jason said, is bad? Bro?
That's how they get you.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like they're saying you didn't have fun, but yeah, come on,
it's the Empire. Is it bad that I love the
uniforms and it's fun to fighters?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
She's like, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Elsewhere?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Bix wakes up from Nightmare B two, continuing to be
the very emotional Droid that we know him to be.
Emotional and loyal Droid from season one, is very concerned.
He wants to make sure that Cassian knows that she's
still having the bad dreams, and he's also very excited
(04:05):
because Cassie apparently will return to whatever this hideout of
the Spy Network is tomorrow. We go to Chandrilla, where
Mon Mathma is getting ready for the wedding of her
daughter lighta arranged marriage, the arranged marriage in the chandriline
fashion to Stecken, who is of course the son of
(04:28):
the warlord and oligarch Davoskolden, who helped them launder money
last season, because if you recall, Mon had an outstanding
like four hundred thousand credits that she needed to move
and then all of a sudden she couldn't move them
very easily, and so they needed to call in Davo
who has all these kind of underworld contacts, and he
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was able to absorb that. But the cost of the
deal was you got to marry your daughter to my
son because you're from this like high class aristocratic family,
and it's it would be great for you, know, my.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Juice, if we were attacked, if we were attached to you.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I will say as well. This is a sequence that
blew my mind last season. The mod Moth miss stuff
I was here or there on I thought it was,
but this visually and costuming and production wise, I felt
like I was in the Prequels. Complimentary wedding dress looks
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pure Amidala. The floating wedding dress, the color grading the
clothes that are worn here to showcase who is involved
in the religion and who is not, and then you
start to see some unexpected faces. Is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like, I don't know how much natural light is used
in some of these shots on Chandrilla and all the
Monmotha stuff, but it looks so good.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It looks so good, just beautiful, just looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
You know what else is looking good? I found like
I was like, might citle up to mom at the
bar and be like, Yo.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
What's up.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm saying, she's looking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You look great.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I just want to tell you that thank you for
all that you've done. She's looks understanding.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That she's got the collar bones out, the little shoulders
are shouldering, and also as well, I gotta say, I
think the movie I think I think the creatives behind
this season realize, oh, we have to make her an
attractive prospect because that's going to play into where her
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storyline is going, especially with her shithead husband who I hate.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Mathma is Mathma.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Ing so anyway, But the whole there's various members of
the of the Resistance Network is here Vella is there undercover.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Luthen is there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
He he's basically the wedding planner.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Wedding showed up like looking so put together. I was thinking, bro,
I remember your speech. How are you doing this? This
is creeping me out and I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So Luthen is there.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He has provided a lot of the specialty art, it seems,
for this event. And of and it seems like Davo,
s Goolden and Luthen have something cooking. They're constantly like
you know, conspiring and talking and stuff. And then Luthen
learns that the sign our mission has gone as planned,
(07:25):
and then and Or has gotten away with the ship.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Okay, great.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We got to mina Raw, which is I'm calling Big Wheat.
This is where Bis and the team is handing out,
hiding out on Big Wheat planet.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And it's an agricultural planet.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
A lot of the workers there are illegal beings from
other places in the galaxy who are there seasonally to work.
We see an imperial ship go across the sky and
Bix and the crew start freaking out. They're like, fuck,
what are the imperials doing here? Meanwhile, and Or lands
whatever planet that he's supposed to hand off this ship
(08:04):
to you know whatever team whatever resistance network team is waiting, uh,
and he calls for his contact, Porko, but he's ambushed
by basically you know when when the Empire said rebel
scum and the original Star Wars trilogies, Yeah, I didn't
understand it until now. We're about to meet the true
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rebel like proto rebel ye rebels. The rebels have not
gotten their shit together yet, and this is like what
we have. The people who are ambushing and or are
like they have all the fire, they have all the zeal,
they have none of the discipline, and they don't know
what it.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Talks us to truly do it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
We go to the Mauthene Divide where Krenik is presiding
over a meeting of a new project team, and he
gives them this whole speech about like this is listen,
whatever you're doing, whoever your bosses, they can't know about
what we're doing in here.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Everybody in here. That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's closed off. We're just that's it. We're working on
this thing and you're gonna find out what it is. Also,
in this room, our deirdre are our friendly intelligence office,
not friendly our intelligence officer from last year.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Drum. I'm still trying to walk it out. She's she's
being as enigmatic as ever.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
She has a hard or not, I don't know, and
also a major part of gas is there hilarious not
even a master. After the warnings, we get a presentation
about the Gorman Valley, which is this galactically renowned producer
of high quality textiles made from spider silk. And the
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Empire is really, really really interested in the Gorman, the
Gorman Valley. They want this area, and we're about to
find out why. Yeah, Kranik tells them that in addition
to the uh spidery silk created there, there's also huge
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deposits of calkite under the valley that is necessary for
the lens coating of the Death Star. That they have
heard of it, and and if the Empire can't find
some other synthetic or natural source somewhere else in the galaxy,
well Gorman's got to be taken in by hand, and
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very very quickly and very very quietly, with a good reason.
We go back to Cassian, the proto scum or like
they're arguing it's like, is he an imperial?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Is he not an Imperial the tie fighter there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
They haven't eaten in two days, we discover and this
goes on and on, like.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
How did they not bring snacks? Like, guys, come on,
and they've also they've already had a split in the
group because somebody is missing. Now. I will say what
I love about these sequences is despite the fact that
they clearly are just kind of to keep and Or
on the side for a little bit. I will say
I thought that the way that you see and Or
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immediately start scheming, and Cassian is suddenly like, yeah, I
know Maya the person she was my contact, Like I'm
he's so good at playing the game. He has learnt
his lessons from Lutheran and he is not afraid to lie,
to survive, to do whatever he has to to get
the mission done.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That part when he talks about Maya, I actually found
him to be sincere in that moment. I thought he
was like, hey, wait a second, I know your group.
I'm supplyed, like I'm part of another resistance cell that's
been supplying your group, Like what do you guys, we're
on the same side, Like what's going on?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I couldn't tell. I don't know because I'm like she's
obviously not Porko, who, by the way, is that Porkins, Like,
I don't know as a rebel, but like, yeah, I
also by the end of it was like, oh, this
does make sense. Maybe this is the truth. But I
think with Cassie and you can never know. And and
I think that that Diego is doing such a good
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job of bringing that to life.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Here Diego and his tasteful new cheek fillers.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'll say, let's just talk about it. I think his
cheeks look really smooth and different now.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They look very beautiful, like he's in the most expensive
Star Wars show of all time.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Truly.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'll also say that this sequence of scenes with Cassian
and these kind of proto rebels, the rebels come. I
found it to be a really trenchet commentary on.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Left wing infighting.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The hist like a thing that seems to be deevil
progressive and left wing politics always as they tempt to
struggle against uh, you know, capitalists and or fascist forces.
There's a reason why uh you know, uh left wing
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movers and shakers can never seem to get it together
to fight against fascism. It's because they're always fighting themselves
and that's like a sadly true thing that's happening right now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Even Yeah, it's a great microcosm to here where also
like this, they're fighting this battle within themselves that is
not leading them anywhere and is just going to lead
to them literally like eating each other and starving, while
Krenick is planning essentially like galactic fracking and how to
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destroy an entire indigenous population. So it's like, guys, there's
bigger things, just like team up and go in assassinate credits.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
That is what.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, first we got to figure out who is more rebel,
like who's the most people, who's the most You're exactly
all Rightkrenick basically tells the group, Okay, here's what we're
looking at. If we have to mine this shit in
the Gorman Valley, it will cause the massive ecological collapse
and like geological collapse of this entire region, including the
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destruction of nine notable cities in the region. And if
we're gonna do that, we have to be careful because
the Gormans have juice in the Senate and the rest
of the planets are gonna get scared that the Empire
is like out to get everybody and so we have
to just find a good reason to go in there
and do this to make it make sense. So he
(14:40):
introduces d Shamba and NICUs Osar from the Ministry of Enlightenment.
These are the propaganda guys, and they start throwing around.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
These opra or how like effectively off all this immediately becomes.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, and so then they start throwing around ideas about how,
you know, we can make a case, how the Empire
can make a case for annex in Greenland I mean,
sorry Gorman Gorman Valley. And the idea is like, you know,
we can basically we can turn public.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Opinion against the Gormans.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
They're annoying and they're always like they're not helping out
with the.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Fire close they're too close to the spiders that are
really scary. So it doesn't make that that make them monsters.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And then we also learn that in you know, looking
ahead to this eventuality, that they're going to try to
annex Gore, annex the Gores, they've already started pre positioning
like weapons in Palmo, the Gore capital. Krenick is like, Deirdre,
(15:43):
you've been quiet this entire meeting.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
What do you got. This is a great idea. I
love this idea, and.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
She's like, I don't know, really really yeah, she's very
cagey and here's where to your point. I can't tell
if she's like, I don't like this mission, I think
it's terrible ethically, morally, egues, or if she's just like
I want to be back up my old job, like
I think this job sucks. I think it's more. I
honestly think it's more that, like I want.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
To go on best with the access with finding these.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
She still wants to find access.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yes, so she's you know, critic eventually pushes her and
she's like, well, what you need is a false flag operation,
you need fake rebels.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
She doesn't go into it, but I think what she's.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Suggesting, yes, is like a fake terrorist attack. And then
we go in back on Mina. Raw B is still
like Cassie and Cassie and when Cassie's coming back, where
is he's coming back? And we discover also that the
Imperials are on planet because they're doing an audit whatever
that means. It's how much how much wheat is big
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we giving us, Like really they just.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Want to go and act up and harass people on.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Absolutely true we go back to the wedding. It's like
the night before the wedding, it seems like folks are
so socializing. Vel questions. Cleia, who you know, remembers the
clerk at Luthen's shop who is also in the network,
important person in the network, and she's like, what the
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fuck are you doing here? Like and I get it.
Vella is worried, like why are all these spies in
one place? There's way too many of us here, like
that is weird. But she's like, well, our shop provided
the art, and Luthen is basically the wedding planner, Like
I gotta be here, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
She's like, I'm handam.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Meanwhile, Mon goes to smooth things over the light of
after a fight with the groom to be and YadA, YadA, YadA,
and we go back.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
We we end with like a final.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Visit with our rebels who are having a They're now
shooting each other because they're a fucking unseerious group of
hot heads who legitimately can't get it together and are
more interested in shooting each other than shooting at the Empire.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, and I think like aboo, super producer Boo made
a great point where it's like this also to within
the world of Star Wars, the disper ultra secret of
nature of the rebellion and how it is actively working
against itself by their not being chains of communication like they.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Just isn't thought like.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
A secret handshake, but it's something to prove that they
are involved together.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like I think it's a good point aboo. But let
me say this first of all, what one thing I
love about and Or is that there are no It
does not reflect the real world. It's completely just totally effecially.
The one thing I've been thinking about is listen, you've
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got the Empire is extremely powerful. They control every space
of communication, society, culture, and economics. There is no way
to communicate openly about resisting them, period.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It's not safe. You can't actually do it in that reality.
How do you organize? Can't You can be selective in
terms of the people who matriculate up into the higher
levels of the resistance, where and Or and Luthen and
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the rest circulate because you're but in terms of who
you are recruiting to take on this impossible goal of
fighting the Empire, I think it makes rational sense. It
doesn't make any it's not effective, but it would make
sense that the people that you're going to get coming
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to your group are going to have a lot more
zeal than ability. And they're also not the people that
you know you can trust at this particular stage. They're
the people who want to shoot. You need those people.
Are they the smart enough people who have the nerve
to like go undercover and do all the things that
Luthen and and Or and the rest do. Clearly not
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they haven't. They don't have that kind of experience. So
I take the point that, like, couldn't you communicate with them,
but like, if you tell them what's going on at
the top, your whole fucking operation is blown as soon
as one of these fuckers gets captured.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I will say this is even proven in this episode
and Andal points out where he explains, like the guy
explains who they are and that Maya is missing and everything,
and then they're like, well, tell us what you're working on,
and Ando's like no, and he's like he's like, well,
you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Have done that, Like sorry, you guys are shooting at
each other and you were like tell me your entire operator.
Get the fuck out of let's take a break and
go to episode two.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, and we're back after the shootout.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
One fact, now the factions have completely split, and so
you have the faction that is over by the Advanced
Tie Fighter, the ship faction, and you have the shot
the faction that has Cassian prisoner, the Cassian faction. Neither
of them have food or water and they are all
a fucking joke. On the way to work back on Coursot,
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Deirdre stops part Gaz to tell him, listen, I hate
this Gorman Valley project.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And it's not the genocide. It's not that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's that I want to be back on Axis hunt duty.
Get me back on Axis.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Pod guys is like, good luck. Crenick told you this
is your job, So this is your fucking job. Like
you know, it's the empire, babe, it's not a democracy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like he makes the careers point, He's like, listen, Credit
tapped you to be in this. You can put your
fucking mark on this. The Emperor has his eye on
this project.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
This is great for your career.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
So what are you doing. Don't rock the boat.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Back with the wedding party, Claya is increasingly concerned that,
like we're not getting any news out of Mina Raw, like,
what's going on? No word from the team. I don't
know if Cassiean's back. And now it seems as if
we're getting whispers that the Empire is in the area
carrying out an inspection.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What are we gonna do? She goes to Luthen.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Luthen's like, well, I can't fucking do anything because I'm running.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Up wedding, this wedding over there. I look at my hat,
it's looking so great. It doesn't it's not quick.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Meanwhile, Ominously, your favorite chanderline Parennia's husband, wis I wish
everybody listening to this foe right now could have seen
Rosie's face.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I hate a parent?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Am he am my lost.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Paren ominously watching from the sidelines, And is this a
hint of some something larger or not? Because parent does
have an issue. He goes to mom, is like, your boyfriend,
your little fucking boyfriend, take Homa, tell him to fucking
stop knocking back the drinks because this guy's a mess.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
He's talking shit.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Apparently he sees him and his wife got divorced. He's
on his ass, no money made, some bad investments. This
is what I'm here, he's like gossip, full gossip, and
he's also like, I know, he's like, isn't he your lover?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Your lover?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And she's wearing the glam outfit, so you're feeling like
he's like jealous. But you know what if she if
he she has saw out a lover, it's probably because
you are not performing parents.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And then he and then he like leaves with like
by the way, Tay is weak and he just like
swishes off in his kimono.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, back on me and a rale Bix.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Her group gets some news from a contact who comes
from a nearby like sector. The Imperials are coming soon.
There's about forty of them on planet air support unknown.
They want grain, and they're looking for refugees and insurgents
and basically anybody that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And they're very worried because.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know, Cassian hasn't is set to arrive and he's.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Got to get there before the Imperials get there. Our
good friend Cyril shows back in up story. He's still
working bureau, still working at the bureau.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Now giving up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He's like a middle manager around and he's giving this
like raw ross speech to this new worker, and he's
basically saying, like you might. It's actually a great monologue
where he's like, listen, you look at this and you
think how boring, how boring, how boring. But I want
you to know I was this fucking clothes to catching
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a rebel spy last year, and.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You get it. Do something. If you do something, what
you could be out there too. Yeah, that's right, standing
head telling someone else they could catch and rebels.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We meet some other members of Bix's cell. We meet Will,
who has been in a little bit of a romance
with a local farms farmer named Beila. They are out
in the wheat of big wheat canoodling when the Imperials
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roll up to like a shop, a farmstead shop. Brosso
bicks they are there as well. They start shitting bricks.
They're the lieutenant. The Imperial lieutenant comes over to Bix
and he's doing the whole Colonel Hans Landa in Ingloria's
Bastard's thing, where he's very clearly like, oh, Bix, you're attractive.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm gonna throw my weight around.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Brosso comes up and keeps it from getting weird, but
it's very very clear this guy is going to be
a big fucking problem.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yea. He's like, oh, like, let's go to this little
space that I know. And she's like, I'm married and
he's like, okay, where is he? And he's a very
convenient planet mechanic I know. So what he really means is, well,
he's not here so I can do He showed off.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
At the wedding, Ta tells Mon that, hey, I'm glad
that everything with the money laundering worked out.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Last year.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Because Tay was across that he was helping out. He
was he was the unwitting cutout who was setting up
this foundation, charitable foundation that was supposed to be the
you know, basically the money laundering engine for the funds
that we're going to be going to resistance fighters.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It didn't quite work and they had to.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Paul and Davo, and now Tay is like, well that
foundation is up and running and the money is accounted for.
But now I'm in charge of this weird foundation and
I feel very vulnerable and uh, you know, I just
feel like scared. And so Mon is getting anxious at
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this because the last thing she needs is someone who
doesn't really know what she's up to but has sensitive
information about her starting to freak out. What he does
drop in this conversation the word rebellion and suggesting kind
of I know what you're up to, and also says,
(27:41):
by the way, I also.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Need money, Like I'm hard on concern.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
We have established my hatred for parent, but I have
to say, look, I'm not going to give him. I
hate to give a man credit, but in this case,
he was correct. This is exactly the worst kind of
situation to be And you trusted an old boyfriend because
you had a little crush and you know too much,
and now in a situation where he's showing up and
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he's like, hey, so I'm broke and you're running the
rebellion wink wink? Is this yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I hate?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I hate if anybody ever found out about that, like
that would.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Be really terrible.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I feel like Mama was like, I'm like, show probably
just poisoned you.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She's a hard core she.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
We're getting there and it's a good let's okay back
on big Wheat. Bix, Brasso and the rest are like, Okay,
we gotta get out of here, Like, let's figure out
how we get out of him. That before the imperials
come and they decide, Okay, we're gonna move to somewhere
where the heat is not quite on.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But where will that be.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Clay is back at the shot at Luthen's shop to
check the secret messages with the secret Message machine. Meanwhile,
Mon tells Luthen back at the wedding that hey, I
think we got a problem with Tay. He's freaking out.
He's talking crazy shit. He said rebellion. He seems to
know what we're up to, and he's saying we need money,
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and Luthen is like, well, looks like we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Have to handle him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Wink wink Winkna's like this is a great exchange because
Mon says, I don't know what you mean, and then
Luthen is like, hey, I forget exactly what he says,
but he's like how he says, like, oh, how nice
for you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
In other words, like you.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Know exactly what I mean, but you're pretending that it's
my job to take care of this fucking guy. No,
that's your ex boyfriend that we may have to kill
and you would have to.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Do it, dude.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Mona is also this is a recurring issue with her
thematically throughout the first season, and this season where she
wants to get her hands dirty, but she doesn't. She
refuses to do the work that actually has to be done,
and that she there is a balance to be played
here as her role in the society and everything. But
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this I think is a great interaction and I am
on Luke, I love it well. I think until this
man and you know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It speaks to the it humanizes this situation.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
One of the things I thought while watching this show
season two is I think that this is the best
from a technical standpoint, I think this is the best
world building we've seen in Star Wars. Oh in terms
of the societies, the cultures, the day to day living
in this world, Like we really get it. And with
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mon Mon is an aristocrat, she hates what's going on.
She's taken a huge, huge step, made a big decision,
put herself on the line to try and help the
rebellion in any way that she can with the levers
that she has available to her. But it has not
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she'sn't gotten to that point yet.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Where they're like, you have to kill someone, Like that's
very different.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
If I'm a bureaucrat working in the empire and I'm
leaking you know, Oh my god, this is terrible. I
just found out about Gore. I'm gonna leak this to
the resistance self. Okay, that's one thing. But if they're
then like, hey.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The wrong past, that's you kill that guy now, and you.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Kill that's a huge I don't even think that's like
I mean Abu saying idealistic versus pragmatism. I think that's
true in a material sense, but I don't. But I
think it ignores like the reality of how difficult what
they're doing is and what they're asking me.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, she's not a killer.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I would also say that is one of the biggest
achievements of and Or season one and season two, which
is it's to really have a rebellion. It is not. Oh,
I'm Luke Skywalker and I'm picked as the chosen one,
and I have to fight and I can immediately do it,
and I get trained in one day and I kill
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the bad guys and I blow up the Death Star.
That's not the reality. And ever since Roguron, Tony Gilroy
has been saying, no, there're so many millions of people,
thousands of people who are affected every single day by
these choices we're making, and who have had to die.
You know, many Bothans had to die to get this information. Yeah,
not just the bothains guys Like and I love that
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that's what Andor is doing. And the truth is, like,
this is a fucking hard watch right now, but it's
also a very important watch.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It is a shocking ask forro Mon from Luthen, but
it's also uh and I really empathize with her position
because I think to get to that point, she's already
had to make such a huge decision and now to
be told, listen, we may have to kill someone.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And it's not just like anyone. It is her childhood friend, Like.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean, like this boyfriend who
she trusted in season with this information. Also, I will
say I think something that really struck me an episode
one that plays a part in this ongoing conversation about
Mon's role is there is a moment when she's talking
to Late and I love how the cinematography goes from
this bright, beautiful wedding ceremony to this kind of darkened
(33:05):
chamber where they're talking and she looks at her and
she says, I'm so sorry, and Leada looks at her
and understands that what she's actually sorry for is that
she sold her child into an arranged marriage.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, and she had to do it for.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
This reason that Leda doesn't know. And while Leada was
interested in this marriage, she's now kind of realizing like, well,
this guy doesn't actually love me or know how to
be a boyfriend, let alone a partner. He's just a kid,
you know. And I think that that is what Mon's
true sacrifice has been, is kind of like how far
will she go and what parts of her life will
(33:40):
she sacrifice? And I guess they're probably gonna have us
ask is this a line that she would cross? I
think she would. If it was a non horrific death
where somebody was like, here is a poison, you can
kill him, I think she would probably do it and
shed a tear. I don't think she's gonna shoot him
in the head. I don't think that's a way of being.
(34:04):
But I think this is going to be a big
moral conundrum going into episode three.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Back at the Scum, the rebels all decide to have
a truce. They drop their guns, and they basically do
row Schambeau to see who will run the group from
now on.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's how this is going to do with this. This
is what a joke? These they're a joke.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Meanwhile, and Or, who has been giving them big tips
throughout this struggle, has been like, hey, somebody set up
a perimeter. It's raining, somebody collect rain water. You guys
haven't eaten or drink for two days, and now you're
nobody's collecting, Like, what are we doing? He takes the
opportunity to sneak away. A very scary monster comes out
(34:47):
and causes chaos, and in the chaos he shoots one
of the rebels, gets on the advanced tie fighter and
he flies away and we see in the in the
in the wide as he screams up into space that
he was on Yavin.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He was having his own mini Battle of Yavon, many
years before it would happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, let's take a quick break. Wee right back, and
we're back episode three. So and Or is up in space.
(35:33):
The tie fighter has like crapped out. He has the
hot wire and he can barely fly this thing. And
it's a it's a problem. Back on mina big wheat,
the farmers are at like a big stardoo valley farm banquet.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It does look like that doing the stard Valley challenge
where you have to.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, he's got the most com Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Brasso's contact arrives with news that the Imperials are getting
really really close. Cassian has not been heard from, and
he gives them like passes to go to another region
of big wheat. But if they're gonna use them, they
have to use him tonight. It's only good for today.
(36:22):
And you can tell that this guy is fucking desperate.
We go to the Weddinglida looks beautiful. Mathma tells her listen, like,
if you don't want to do this, you don't to
marry this guy, we can like delay it, we can
make it, we can make an excuse.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And she's trying, she's trying to be fine.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And yeah, and and it's an active bravery. It's not
an active cowardice to do that. And Lida is like, mom,
are you freaking drunk?
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Like what is up with She's like, have you seen
this fucking dress, Princess Abadala, and like this is looking
good for me. I'm loving this.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Uh. Cleya. It gets in.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Contact with and Or and he tells her that the
whole operation is upside down. He's in the wrong ship.
The pilot of the ship is that he was supposed
to give the ship to his dead He can't fly
the ship, and I want to go back to Big
Wheat to be with my team to figure out what's next. Well,
Clay's like, well, there's a problem with Big Wheat. We
(37:21):
don't have contact with Big Wheat right now. There is
a communication blockade there and just seems like there's a
lot of extra company, if you know what I mean,
over there in Big Wheat. And then immediately and Or
hangs up and he just fucking goes. He's like, uh,
bags is that I'm not going find a Joel is
pointing out that Mon is fucked if Leeda takes that
(37:42):
offer because the financial deal hinges on that. Well, the
financial deal is done, the money has already been smoothed over.
So yes, I think Mon is fucked. But in terms
of the money, the money laundering is finished. And I
think what she would then have to do some damage control.
But she could always spin it as like my daughter
(38:03):
is freaking.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
She could delay it like she could spin it. They
had an argument, but I think as well, I think
that is a great point that Joel brings up because
I do think that is a moment of mode putting
being a mom and her daughter before being a rebel.
Now where would that leave the rebellion? Like, does that
show that her she has not fully taken that step.
(38:28):
I think it's very interesting, but I was wishing that
Lida would not take the weird arranged religious call.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Into it, which she does, but she's also a yeah,
that's true. Differently there on Chindrilla anyway, Deirdre is having
is with Cyril and they're getting ready for dinner with mom.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Oh oh h.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It goes as you would expect, knowing Edie from last season,
and Deirdre says that she grew up in an orphanage.
My family are criminals, and oh, by the way, stop
giving your son shit.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Stay out of our business. I promise you.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
He will call you once a week. But you need
to stop with the all the fucking nagging and all
the mom stuff that you do, because it's like suffocating.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's not good for him. Okay, Wild was.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Not expecting that, but Deirdra I think that the born
in and raised in an orphanage where her family because
her family was criminals. It's still saying she could be
deep undercover for the Rebellion. I'm just saying like, I
don't know what she's got going on, but she's still
enigmatic to me. And yeah, the mom dinner sequence did
(39:50):
not expect it. I feel like Tony's pulling out some
unexpected intimate moments in this season that I did not
think we'd get to see. Edie the draw a back
door for the Ages.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I think one of the things that again makes this
show so good is that it kind of subverts the
traditional like bad guy a good guy duality that we've
seen in Star Wars, where you have the good guy
and then you have the bad guy, but the bad
guy will be redeemed and become the good guy. It
(40:23):
feels like you want to think that with Deirdre. But
I truly think that any objection she has to the
Gore Conspiracy is truly just because she's doesn't like the job.
She wants to be back doing her other job that she.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Was good, that she was good at, and she feels
like she's.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Being set up to fail with this Gore Conspiracy. She
loves being an imperial stooge. She's good at it, but
she wants to be good at it in her terms,
and it's interesting to look.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
At that and be like, God, is she you know,
is she good? Or even if there's any way for
the Resistance to have leverage with her. It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I also think that you make a great point because
it's not only subverting the redemption of villainous characters, but
also subverting the idea that the good characters win, because
we know what the end of Rogue one is and
while they do win, and Or doesn't get to survive
to see it, much like Lutheran told him. And I
(41:24):
think there is just something really heartbreaking about the fact
that no matter where this journey goes, we know that
the characters we are following are going to have to
do terrible things to allow the Death Star to be destroyed,
to allow the short time that the rebels defeat you know,
(41:45):
the Empire before they get replaced by by Kylo Wren
and his and his goons. But yeah, it's I think
it's a really interesting subversion and I think Tony gilrey
Is is the man to do it, and he delivers
with these three eft.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Zone in the tone zone. The the episode then kind
of screams towards a climax, a dual climax, both on
Mina Raw and at the Chandrulin wedding. At the wedding, Davo, uh,
you know, makes like a speech about the bride and
(42:21):
groom in front of this important and historic Chandy Merle
statue that Luthen got for the wedding.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
He gives a benediction. Later, Luthen is making.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
The rounds as a talking to, you know, like making contact,
seeing who's you know. He seems like he's socializing, but
it's clear that he's also like who can I who
can I meet? Who can I use? What contacts can
I make? He keeps a close eye on Tay the
whole time, and Tay is continuing to make these very
increasingly not vague threats at Mond, saying well, I've also
(42:56):
been talking to Davo, you know something on occasion, which
Man and Luthan are are very keen to keep those
two from ever talking, specifically ever talking.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
When they're not around. They don't want that.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Then he's like, I gotta run, uh yeah, I got
some stuff I gotta do, And then really concerningly.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
He almost says something else.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
He looks like he's really about to divulge something and
then he's like, never mind, I gotta go.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
An is now in a full panic.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
She's panicking, and Luthen clocks this.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
He sees this.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
While that's happening. Back on Big Wheat, Bee finds out
there leaving for another hideout, and he's fucking like, well,
how is Cassie and gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Know where we moved?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Like, that's my boy?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Meanwhile, the Imperials are like, are about to enter this zone,
about to enter this area. They're looking to move, but
one of their group, Will is like, where the fuck
is he? He's with that farm girl?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Oh my god, he is not a.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The We should send him down to the minor leagues
with the fucking factions shooting at each other.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Get out here.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So he's with his girlfriend Beila, and basically one thing
leads to another and Brasso gets arrested by the Imperials
trying to help Will. Meanwhile, Luthen and Mon talk about Tay.
Why is he pestering, scolding so much? This is trouble.
(44:34):
We're gonna have to do something. We can't have this
guy like hanging around. Man is shocked at what Luthen
is suggesting, and Luthen is shocked that she's shocked. She's like,
why are you He's like, why are you shocked? What
do you think that we're doing here?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
What do you think happens every single day?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Like, yeah, you think we're gonna we're gonna do stuff,
and just like it's a game of tag and we're
never gonna get our nose you know, dirty or anything.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You think that's go.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
She's really grappling this because, as we mentioned, this is
like her, she was in a relationship with this guy.
It's not just a stranger. And or makes radio contact
with Bicks as he arrives in orbit with the with
the tie fighter, and just at that moment when he
gets he it's not a clear signal, but they speak
(45:22):
a little bit. She knows he's in the area. But
then the Imperial lieutenant Landa, the weirdo, shows up and
it turns into an attempted assault. They end up fighting
Bicks really fucks, like beats his ass with a hammer
and correct. The rest of the Imperials who are over
(45:43):
arresting Brasso, get the call to come over there and
back up this lieutenant who is like, they don't know
what's going on, but there's an attack there's a shootout.
Cassian sees what's going on in the tie Fighter. He
like takes everybody out with his The tie Fighter guns lands.
Sadly Brasso is dead, and what are they gonna do now?
(46:07):
They can't stay on this planet. It's unclear what's happened
back at the wedding.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Definitely like the organizer of like where they would go
and getting them out safely. So it's a it's a
pretty shocking ending, our first loss. We're probably gonna lose
a lot more as the series goes on.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yes, and then we go to the wedding. It's intercut
with this really incredible like a sequence of Mond dancing
away all her stress to this kind of like dance
the dance portion of.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
The wedding ceremony.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
And we also see as Tate is leaving the wedding
that Vell kind of follows him out just to see
where he's going, and she makes eye contact with our.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Good friend Sinta. Of course Vlla and Cinta. There's a
thing going on.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
She is tase driver and he clearly has no idea
that she's a resistance anything.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
He's probably not surviving that drive. Let's be real, because
that is what. I think she can kill someone when
she needs to.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yes, So she's driving him away and it's clear that
it might be the end for him. And we also
get lots of shots of Mond in that flowy dress
just really cutting up.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
It's very Florence in the machine if they could have.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Been very, very Florence.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
And that is the end of episode three. An amazing
first three episode drop of the and Or television program.
A television program that is very, very expensive, that looks
like a million zillion bucks, that has a lot to
say about to assist resist empire in a completely fictional
(48:03):
world with antic connection at all thing and a lot
to think about. Your thoughts, Rosy on these first three episodes.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I agree, a lot to think about. Great three episodes.
I think it's exactly what people who loved and Or wanted.
Will it make the viewing public connect with and Or?
I will say I think that the opening sequence is
a great hook to get people in, to get new
viewers in, because A there's the shocking twist of him
seeming like he's a stormtrooper, and then b you get
(48:36):
that huge, really brilliantly put together kind of escape sequence
that's so unlike anything we've seen in Star Wars before,
but that feels completely Star Wars in its own way.
It's so beautifully done, it's so chaotic, it's Tony Gilway
is not having any issues making us feel like this
is a top tier Star Wars story. So I'm very
(48:56):
excited and I'm excited to chop it up with the
producer's next episode.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Two.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, our producers Joel and we were both taking us
to task for our criticism of Will for you know,
you promised you wouldn't say goodbye to be he would
say goodbye, that he would say Gooby, he wouldn't just leave.
But then she also like found his blaster. Here's my
issue with that he left.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Look, I love I think we all need to love
and joy undefined.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
We need more love.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
It's important, but also bro, like just be barter at
hiding your stuff, like, don't take the blaster, don't take
the speed, don't leave the speed away. The Empire is
gonna find it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think that there's actually like a really important idea here,
which is like, can you fight something terrible without effectively
becoming terrible terrible thing while fighting it?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
And I think like the idea that like.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
You shouldn't honor love and take those moments to really
be alive, like mon in this moment of dancing and
being trying to be free in this moment of extreme danger.
At the same time, if b is killed, it's because
of Will doing this. Yeah, he being sloppy, getting involved
(50:22):
with a person who shouldn't know about any of this stuff.
And that's how you have to balance this stuff. I
just come on, Will, like you're gonna get everybody killed?
Speaker 1 (50:35):
What are we doing?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm excited to talk about this with the crew. Yeah.
On Friday.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Friday on Extra Vision, we are convening the Jedi Council
to talk about the first three episodes of Andword season
two News on Saturday. On Tuesday, we asked the question
many are asking, who are the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
That's it for this episode.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
And Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Our producers are Common Laurent Dean, Jonathan and Bay wag.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
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Heidi our discord moderator,
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